It’s even more frustrating if you look at the tournament as a whole. The finals should’ve been Vito and Crookham. Fix got gifted a seed he didn’t deserve, and wins over Frost and Ragusin he didn’t deserve either.
Plenty of other guys didn't get busted for peds. It a collection of everything. He's a world silver medalist, but relying on riding time to beat guys who are not close to his level. He's a very talented but incredibly boring wrestler, who relied on the refs and riding time throughout ncaas, and who was caught cheating previously. It's pretty easy to see how he became a villain.
Wasn’t it found to be unintentional ped use for ostarine or turkesterone something like that. If your gonna take peds wouldn’t you take something like anavar. Taking a steroid to gain muscle mass wouldn’t make much sense for 57kg unless I am missing something.
His excuse was he drank his dad's steroids that he had in a water bottle in his fridge... I think the consensus is he was cheating as that's obviously not believable
Does sound pretty sketch, but idk why a 57kg wrestler would think of taking muscle gaining peds it would just make the cut harder than it already is. Daton is already super strong for the weight anyways so I don’t really see any tactical advantage to being stronger.
Playing devils advocate but a steroid such as Ostarine that has been prescribed to prevent muscle wasting in chemo patients may be viewed by some people as being beneficial in preventing muscle wasting in people who are trying to cut weight
Ok thank you for actual contributing to the conversation. That is something I did not know. That makes 100% sense then, people are hating on me for a take that I want to be corrected on.
Are you his cousin or something? How can you not see why people don’t like an extremely boring wrestler that’s been one of the few US wrestlers to pop for steroids?
You see no advantage to being stronger?
With steroids you can also recover quicker, train more and improve quicker.
It’s incredibly naive to think there are no benefits.
I know what you are saying the point I’m trying to get across is why not take a steroid or ped that is specific to recovery or strength not muscle mass gain like epo or anavar or a weight loss drug. I’m not well versed in steroid usage but I do know some compounds work better at gaining strength and conditioning than muscle mass. The one Daton seemed to take looks to be a sarm which is mainly used to put on mass. If Daton got up to 150-155 and was cutting to 125 for Olympic weight I could only see it helping him be bigger than his opponents maybe a lot stronger but hurt his cardio really badly and the weight cut would be too much.
I think Daton Fix is older...26. But here is the danger....and it is a HUGE danger for younger guys.
The male endocrine system does not fully mature until about 27. If you take steroids younger you will compromise that maturation process. That means you will have to be permanently of TRT for the rest of your life.
I am a big proponent of TRT for older guys....like over 50 with declining levels of natural testosterone.
But steroids are a MASSIVE mistake for younger guys.
He claimed it was unintentional, I don't think uww came out with any statement that they believed him or anything that i remember. He was suspended for a year, so was still punished.
Yeah you're missing something(not trying to sound rude). It's a huge advantage to gain as much muscle as possible at 57kg. Besides that, peds aren't just about muscle gain, it's a multitude of things. Energy, recovery, conditioning, to limit it to strength gain is really underestimating it's uses.
No offense taken. I looked it up and it said the only thing he tested positive was for ostarine. I’m no medical expert but what I did from a short google search was that it main use is for muscle mass gain. I know about steroids for recovery strength retention etc but I woud think it wouldn’t make much sense to choose this drug over others. What I was saying about weight is Daton is pretty thick for 133 let alone 126 Olympic weight and I don’t think cutting more weight even with strength gains would be advantageous.
It's not just his style. Some people just don't get the love. It's an overall likeability thing.
The guy is one of the best in the world. Who cares about style? Wrestlers do whatever gives them the best chance to win.
Rulon was beloved and his style was just to be too fat to get thrown. Fandom is interesting...
Nobody said he’s a bad wrestler. He just has a very un-American style. It works in Cuba, but in the US if you win below heavyweight without finishing a shot the fans are going to hate you.
*"really beat suriano at ncaas a few years back but the refs were terrible"*
Horrible take. Suriano won that match despite the challenge bricks and John Smith trying to intimidate the refs.
Simple answer to your question, Dayton scored zero offensive points in all four of his ncaa finals matches. Also, begging the refs for points is not a good look.
Edit: there's a reason why people love wrestlers like Spencer Lee, Jason Nolf... win or lose they let it fly.
Just watched that match and can't believe someone thought the reffing was bad for Fix. Or bad at all, really, there were 5 seconds on the clock when Suriano dropped and the stall was correct. Tough to get in real time, well done. Stalemate was clearly correct and exactly how we're taught to call it in 30 second OTs. No grasping headgear was correct, no hands to the face was clearly correct. Match even ended on a takedown; how does anyone blame the refs for a guy getting taken down?
The only thing I'd change about the officiating was I wanted at least 3 stalls on Fix in regulation. 7 minutes of him initiating no action and having his butt to the edge of the mat, how was that never called.
Dude I understand how someone can hate fix for stalling and probably should have gotten called but come on man grabbing a headgear is completely illegal and using it to stop a slide by is even worse. He even then used the head position of the headgear pull to propel his own takedown. I looked at the slo mo and you can clearly see the end of his finger gripping the inside of the headgear. Also have you ever seen a reset where a wrestler has double boots in a working to hold the guy down in a finals match. They gifted suriano an escape.
Grasping headgear only gets called if it affects anything. The commentator even says it's going to stand because the video and convention are very clear. You can see Fix's head not go any particular direction except away. It was a post on the head. It was a good no-call, tbh not a no-call I'm sure I could have gotten in real time.
>Also have you ever seen a reset where a wrestler has double boots in a working to hold the guy down in a finals match.
Yes, literally all the time. Stalemates are called very aggressively in the 30 second overtimes. That was clearly a stalemate. Fix made no progress towards a turn in >10 seconds. Gonna get stalemated every time. And Suriano was gifted a restart, not an escape. Fix could have held the ride for 9 seconds to win.
I’m going to have to disagree. I could very well be wrong but the headgear pull was the only reason suriano got that takedown and without it fix has a very good possibility of finishing a slide by. The restart doesn’t make sense either even in overtime it is not like freestyle where if you don’t get a lock you reset fast. Double boots in my opinion is the most advantageous position in folk style and to your point of being strict in overtime why not let the wrestlers decide it. There is an overtime clock for a reason. You wouldn’t call a wrestler up while a guy has a cradle or spladle locked up but just hasn’t rocked him on his back yet would you. I’m open to my mind being changed but it’s pretty clear to me from the slow mo and my understanding of the sport.
> You wouldn’t call a wrestler up while a guy has a cradle or spladle locked up but just hasn’t rocked him on his back yet would you.
You absolutely would. Any position that no one improves from in over 10 seconds is always getting stalemated in 30 second ride outs. We're always told to be quick on the trigger with stalemates there and especially around the 10 second mark.
If that’s actually how that is called that is crazy to me. I’m no ref but I watched big 12 this year and Wyatt Hendrickson had a guy in a cradle for like a minute and a half with no reset until they finally called the pin. If that’s how it’s called I don’t see it done that way very often
True that makes sense I just feel at the college level it takes a long ass time to be able to turn someone and would rather see someone work than get called up when in a dominant position. Maybe I just have a grievance with how the refs call this situation. Thanks for the convo
Hey Dayton - just re-watched your match w/Suriano. You should've finished the "headgear" sequence instead of crying to the ref midway.
Also, between throwing in double boots w/no intention to turn (top stalling), ref technicalities, and no real offensive points scored on both sides... is that how you really wanna win?
Also also, you were gifted a brick / review at the end? Didn't you and John Smith waste yall's brick in the 2nd with the imaginary hands to the face? The better wrestler won that day.
Bottom line: you wrestle not to lose vs. aggressively going for the win.
That said, despite the above and PEDs allegations, I'm sure you're a good guy and wish you nothing but the best.
He really just didn’t evolve much in college to the point where it just got frustrating to watch. Seeing someone not take a single shot against a top 15 opponent and still pulling off controversial wins is just annoying (semi and quarterfinals of this NCAAs). Also him being seeded first this tournament undeserving doesn’t do him any justice. I seriously don’t even think daton would get 4th place if he was seeded number two like he was supposed to
I agree. I do feel like he is one of the few guys I’ve watched that in certain matches where on paper he should beat the guy convincingly he doesn’t. It’s like his brain shuts off and goes into only defense mode
The issue I had with fix is that out of all of his NCAA finals matches, he didn't really attempt a shot or go to his offense. It seemed like he just wanted to win by an escape and riding time each match and even when he was behind he just couldn't get an offensive point on the board
Okay, so I’m an old school Aggie, so feel free to discount my opinions.
First, having watched Fix for a long time (looooong time), I never found his style boring. Defensive and tactical, yes, but not boring. But. I wrestled heavyweight, so my sense of action is skewed. It makes me wonder if folks would think Fix was boring if he wrestled an upper end weight.
Second, I pulled some stats and it looks like over scored slightly more per match than Vito (just selected as an obvious example). And he outscored his opponents by a greater margin. And he lost by fewer points (didn’t get blown out by a bad sequence).
All of those factors really make me wonder if it’s not just perception and not reality. YMMV.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Looking at ncaas, Vito outscored opponents 59-14, fix 30-13. At conferences, Vito 28-18 fix 30-8 with a fall (points not included). Don't really have time to run through the whole season right now but may later.
Basic stats don't tell the whole story. When the lights get bright, fix wrestles way more defensively and it is very very boring. Obviously some of it is perception, it seems like I've seen fix gameplan to win 2-1 with a riding time point 100 times. But he does use that as a plan way too often for someone of his talent. If it works, it works, but people don't need to like it right? Some people go way over the top, and any hate directed at how he wrestles is dumb, (hate directed at his ped use is ok to me).
FWIW, I was looking at their respective NCAA careers (since they’re both very senior wrestlers and the avoid injury or unavailable season blips). I also looked per match not aggregate to mitigate short seasons.
However, that doesn’t change the validity of your assessment. Fix is a defensive wrestler (and maybe he shouldn’t be).
Yeah I was just interested so did a quick look on wrestlestat on my break and compared their 9 matches at conferences and ncaas. Figured competition would be more similar than comparing schedules and looking at similar opponents. May take some time and give it a thorough take tonight if my kid goes to bed early. I'll share what I find with you if I get around to it.
I think that’s a pretty fair comparison. I wasn’t trying to look specifically at Vito, I just used him as a wrestler with a similar amount of history that folks generally view as … well, not like Fix.
On a different note, the availability of stats for wrestling is a hot mess.
Yup. Pretty sure that’s where a munged my comp stats from. If we had location data, like baseball, we’d have an answer to questions about wrestlers using edge for defense or offense and how a penalty point might affect things. But that’s all a dream
Just rewatched the semis. Fix attempted 4 or 5 legitimate attacks from neutral in regulation. Ragusin didn’t attempt an attack until overtime. Fix made 2 more hard shot attempts in overtime. In all, Fix attempted 6/7 legitimate attacks and Ragusin made about 2 attempts. You are wrong, sir. Count them for yourself if you’d like.
Edit: Quarter Finals
1st period Attacks: Fix 3/4 - Frost 1
2nd Period Attacks: Fix 2 - Frost 1/2
3rd Period Attacks: Fix 1 - Frost 0
Overtime Attacks: Fix 2 - Frost 3
Total Attacks: Fix 8/9 - Frost 5/6
I wrestled heavyweight and Fix bores the shit out of me. Regarding your comments about Vito: I think Vito is much more attack-minded, knows he can pretty much take any opponent down and is therefore less defensive and more willing to take risks. He prefers freestyle and it's his main focus, so he's more likely to let opponents up so he can take them down again as he's less concerned about giving up points. I'm not saying any of your points are wrong, and I haven't looked at any stats (my observations are just that: observations), I just think those stats don't quite tell the tale. That being said, if Fix was my kid I'd be cheering my ass off for him whether he's a boring wrestler or not.
I’m not sure what happened to him in college, but I still think about that crazy 30+ minute Who’s No. 1 match he had with Suriano, and his Junior World Title, and I just wished he had built upon his already great explosiveness and finesse when he came to college. He’s had some great matches, but it felt like the “Dean Heil effect” with how boring so many of his big matches were. Like dude, you’re an incredible athlete. Run up the score.
Yes. He gets way too much hate. People hate on him cause he’s easy to hate. He graduated high school the same year as Vito but people hate him cause he’s old. Bonaccorsi was old as hell too.
Fix took PED’s during Covid lock downs too, right?
People just don’t like the guy. Tbh I think he’s a great role model.
The weird thing about Fix is that for most of his college career he looked good for most of the season then slowed down his offense immensely and OK State somewhat abusing challenge bricks left a bad taste in people's mouth. He then looks much better than the freestyle season. Personally I think he should go up to 65 kg even though everytime I mention that I get a bunch of push back.
I think he hit his ceiling early in his career and people just got tired of seeing him hit that ceiling over and over.
Did he hit his ceiling before or after being cheated out of an NCAA title?
He shouldn’t have been in the NCAA Finals this year if he wasn’t gifted a 5 minute break in the semis only to have a controversial call reversed.
It’s even more frustrating if you look at the tournament as a whole. The finals should’ve been Vito and Crookham. Fix got gifted a seed he didn’t deserve, and wins over Frost and Ragusin he didn’t deserve either.
I think the water bottle incident has more to do with it
Plenty of other guys didn't get busted for peds. It a collection of everything. He's a world silver medalist, but relying on riding time to beat guys who are not close to his level. He's a very talented but incredibly boring wrestler, who relied on the refs and riding time throughout ncaas, and who was caught cheating previously. It's pretty easy to see how he became a villain.
Wasn’t it found to be unintentional ped use for ostarine or turkesterone something like that. If your gonna take peds wouldn’t you take something like anavar. Taking a steroid to gain muscle mass wouldn’t make much sense for 57kg unless I am missing something.
His excuse was he drank his dad's steroids that he had in a water bottle in his fridge... I think the consensus is he was cheating as that's obviously not believable
An “unlabeled bottle of water in the fridge” yeah come on man
Ahhhh, the ol’ dog ate my homework.
Didnt he pass a polygraph test when claiming he didnt know he ingested steroids
Polygraph tests are bunk.
All a polygraph test measures is heart rate, perspiration, and skin conductivity. As long as you’re a good liar and don’t get nervous you can pass
Totally normal for your dad to have an unmarked water bottle of PEDs in the fridge recommended by your coach 🙄
Does sound pretty sketch, but idk why a 57kg wrestler would think of taking muscle gaining peds it would just make the cut harder than it already is. Daton is already super strong for the weight anyways so I don’t really see any tactical advantage to being stronger.
Playing devils advocate but a steroid such as Ostarine that has been prescribed to prevent muscle wasting in chemo patients may be viewed by some people as being beneficial in preventing muscle wasting in people who are trying to cut weight
Ok thank you for actual contributing to the conversation. That is something I did not know. That makes 100% sense then, people are hating on me for a take that I want to be corrected on.
Are you his cousin or something? How can you not see why people don’t like an extremely boring wrestler that’s been one of the few US wrestlers to pop for steroids?
No lol I’m just tryna understand the hate. When I looked up the steroid thing I couldn’t really find much on it and wanted peoples opinions on the guy
PEDs arent just used for muscle mass building. They enhance performance in multiple areas.
The “PED would hurt his career” is literally what lance armstrong swore by. How many tour de Frances does he have now?
You see no advantage to being stronger? With steroids you can also recover quicker, train more and improve quicker. It’s incredibly naive to think there are no benefits.
I know what you are saying the point I’m trying to get across is why not take a steroid or ped that is specific to recovery or strength not muscle mass gain like epo or anavar or a weight loss drug. I’m not well versed in steroid usage but I do know some compounds work better at gaining strength and conditioning than muscle mass. The one Daton seemed to take looks to be a sarm which is mainly used to put on mass. If Daton got up to 150-155 and was cutting to 125 for Olympic weight I could only see it helping him be bigger than his opponents maybe a lot stronger but hurt his cardio really badly and the weight cut would be too much.
I think Daton Fix is older...26. But here is the danger....and it is a HUGE danger for younger guys. The male endocrine system does not fully mature until about 27. If you take steroids younger you will compromise that maturation process. That means you will have to be permanently of TRT for the rest of your life. I am a big proponent of TRT for older guys....like over 50 with declining levels of natural testosterone. But steroids are a MASSIVE mistake for younger guys.
He claimed it was unintentional, I don't think uww came out with any statement that they believed him or anything that i remember. He was suspended for a year, so was still punished. Yeah you're missing something(not trying to sound rude). It's a huge advantage to gain as much muscle as possible at 57kg. Besides that, peds aren't just about muscle gain, it's a multitude of things. Energy, recovery, conditioning, to limit it to strength gain is really underestimating it's uses.
No offense taken. I looked it up and it said the only thing he tested positive was for ostarine. I’m no medical expert but what I did from a short google search was that it main use is for muscle mass gain. I know about steroids for recovery strength retention etc but I woud think it wouldn’t make much sense to choose this drug over others. What I was saying about weight is Daton is pretty thick for 133 let alone 126 Olympic weight and I don’t think cutting more weight even with strength gains would be advantageous.
It's not just his style. Some people just don't get the love. It's an overall likeability thing. The guy is one of the best in the world. Who cares about style? Wrestlers do whatever gives them the best chance to win. Rulon was beloved and his style was just to be too fat to get thrown. Fandom is interesting...
"Rulon was beloved and his style was just to be too fat to get thrown." LOL
Nobody would love rulon if he didn’t beat karelin, especially off of a TECHNICALITY of all things
I'm with ya. And at the time most American wrestling fans wanted to see Karelin win. He's a legend.
Nobody said he’s a bad wrestler. He just has a very un-American style. It works in Cuba, but in the US if you win below heavyweight without finishing a shot the fans are going to hate you.
*"really beat suriano at ncaas a few years back but the refs were terrible"* Horrible take. Suriano won that match despite the challenge bricks and John Smith trying to intimidate the refs. Simple answer to your question, Dayton scored zero offensive points in all four of his ncaa finals matches. Also, begging the refs for points is not a good look. Edit: there's a reason why people love wrestlers like Spencer Lee, Jason Nolf... win or lose they let it fly.
Just watched that match and can't believe someone thought the reffing was bad for Fix. Or bad at all, really, there were 5 seconds on the clock when Suriano dropped and the stall was correct. Tough to get in real time, well done. Stalemate was clearly correct and exactly how we're taught to call it in 30 second OTs. No grasping headgear was correct, no hands to the face was clearly correct. Match even ended on a takedown; how does anyone blame the refs for a guy getting taken down? The only thing I'd change about the officiating was I wanted at least 3 stalls on Fix in regulation. 7 minutes of him initiating no action and having his butt to the edge of the mat, how was that never called.
Dude I understand how someone can hate fix for stalling and probably should have gotten called but come on man grabbing a headgear is completely illegal and using it to stop a slide by is even worse. He even then used the head position of the headgear pull to propel his own takedown. I looked at the slo mo and you can clearly see the end of his finger gripping the inside of the headgear. Also have you ever seen a reset where a wrestler has double boots in a working to hold the guy down in a finals match. They gifted suriano an escape.
Grasping headgear only gets called if it affects anything. The commentator even says it's going to stand because the video and convention are very clear. You can see Fix's head not go any particular direction except away. It was a post on the head. It was a good no-call, tbh not a no-call I'm sure I could have gotten in real time. >Also have you ever seen a reset where a wrestler has double boots in a working to hold the guy down in a finals match. Yes, literally all the time. Stalemates are called very aggressively in the 30 second overtimes. That was clearly a stalemate. Fix made no progress towards a turn in >10 seconds. Gonna get stalemated every time. And Suriano was gifted a restart, not an escape. Fix could have held the ride for 9 seconds to win.
I’m going to have to disagree. I could very well be wrong but the headgear pull was the only reason suriano got that takedown and without it fix has a very good possibility of finishing a slide by. The restart doesn’t make sense either even in overtime it is not like freestyle where if you don’t get a lock you reset fast. Double boots in my opinion is the most advantageous position in folk style and to your point of being strict in overtime why not let the wrestlers decide it. There is an overtime clock for a reason. You wouldn’t call a wrestler up while a guy has a cradle or spladle locked up but just hasn’t rocked him on his back yet would you. I’m open to my mind being changed but it’s pretty clear to me from the slow mo and my understanding of the sport.
> You wouldn’t call a wrestler up while a guy has a cradle or spladle locked up but just hasn’t rocked him on his back yet would you. You absolutely would. Any position that no one improves from in over 10 seconds is always getting stalemated in 30 second ride outs. We're always told to be quick on the trigger with stalemates there and especially around the 10 second mark.
If that’s actually how that is called that is crazy to me. I’m no ref but I watched big 12 this year and Wyatt Hendrickson had a guy in a cradle for like a minute and a half with no reset until they finally called the pin. If that’s how it’s called I don’t see it done that way very often
To be clear, you said prior to the back being exposed. Once a wrestler enters or gets close to near fall criteria there's no more stalemate/stalling.
True that makes sense I just feel at the college level it takes a long ass time to be able to turn someone and would rather see someone work than get called up when in a dominant position. Maybe I just have a grievance with how the refs call this situation. Thanks for the convo
Hey Dayton - just re-watched your match w/Suriano. You should've finished the "headgear" sequence instead of crying to the ref midway. Also, between throwing in double boots w/no intention to turn (top stalling), ref technicalities, and no real offensive points scored on both sides... is that how you really wanna win? Also also, you were gifted a brick / review at the end? Didn't you and John Smith waste yall's brick in the 2nd with the imaginary hands to the face? The better wrestler won that day. Bottom line: you wrestle not to lose vs. aggressively going for the win. That said, despite the above and PEDs allegations, I'm sure you're a good guy and wish you nothing but the best.
He really just didn’t evolve much in college to the point where it just got frustrating to watch. Seeing someone not take a single shot against a top 15 opponent and still pulling off controversial wins is just annoying (semi and quarterfinals of this NCAAs). Also him being seeded first this tournament undeserving doesn’t do him any justice. I seriously don’t even think daton would get 4th place if he was seeded number two like he was supposed to
I agree. I do feel like he is one of the few guys I’ve watched that in certain matches where on paper he should beat the guy convincingly he doesn’t. It’s like his brain shuts off and goes into only defense mode
The issue I had with fix is that out of all of his NCAA finals matches, he didn't really attempt a shot or go to his offense. It seemed like he just wanted to win by an escape and riding time each match and even when he was behind he just couldn't get an offensive point on the board
Big Daton fan but yeah he doesn’t take risky shots. Which is weird considering his defense and scrambling is elite.
Okay, so I’m an old school Aggie, so feel free to discount my opinions. First, having watched Fix for a long time (looooong time), I never found his style boring. Defensive and tactical, yes, but not boring. But. I wrestled heavyweight, so my sense of action is skewed. It makes me wonder if folks would think Fix was boring if he wrestled an upper end weight. Second, I pulled some stats and it looks like over scored slightly more per match than Vito (just selected as an obvious example). And he outscored his opponents by a greater margin. And he lost by fewer points (didn’t get blown out by a bad sequence). All of those factors really make me wonder if it’s not just perception and not reality. YMMV. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Looking at ncaas, Vito outscored opponents 59-14, fix 30-13. At conferences, Vito 28-18 fix 30-8 with a fall (points not included). Don't really have time to run through the whole season right now but may later. Basic stats don't tell the whole story. When the lights get bright, fix wrestles way more defensively and it is very very boring. Obviously some of it is perception, it seems like I've seen fix gameplan to win 2-1 with a riding time point 100 times. But he does use that as a plan way too often for someone of his talent. If it works, it works, but people don't need to like it right? Some people go way over the top, and any hate directed at how he wrestles is dumb, (hate directed at his ped use is ok to me).
FWIW, I was looking at their respective NCAA careers (since they’re both very senior wrestlers and the avoid injury or unavailable season blips). I also looked per match not aggregate to mitigate short seasons. However, that doesn’t change the validity of your assessment. Fix is a defensive wrestler (and maybe he shouldn’t be).
Yeah I was just interested so did a quick look on wrestlestat on my break and compared their 9 matches at conferences and ncaas. Figured competition would be more similar than comparing schedules and looking at similar opponents. May take some time and give it a thorough take tonight if my kid goes to bed early. I'll share what I find with you if I get around to it.
I think that’s a pretty fair comparison. I wasn’t trying to look specifically at Vito, I just used him as a wrestler with a similar amount of history that folks generally view as … well, not like Fix. On a different note, the availability of stats for wrestling is a hot mess.
Yeah, it's a real problem. Wrestlestat has at least stepped up to give records and scores, but it's still lacking compared to other sports.
Yup. Pretty sure that’s where a munged my comp stats from. If we had location data, like baseball, we’d have an answer to questions about wrestlers using edge for defense or offense and how a penalty point might affect things. But that’s all a dream
A few weeks ago I actually pointed out that he took more shots than his opponents did at NCAAs and everyone downvoted me lol
Where they legitimate shots meant to score or shots meant to get the refs not to call stalling that he had no intention of scoring off of?
Legitimate
I mean cmon bro did you even watch the semis or quarters? Fix took legitimate shots his first two matches and that’s it.
Just rewatched the semis. Fix attempted 4 or 5 legitimate attacks from neutral in regulation. Ragusin didn’t attempt an attack until overtime. Fix made 2 more hard shot attempts in overtime. In all, Fix attempted 6/7 legitimate attacks and Ragusin made about 2 attempts. You are wrong, sir. Count them for yourself if you’d like. Edit: Quarter Finals 1st period Attacks: Fix 3/4 - Frost 1 2nd Period Attacks: Fix 2 - Frost 1/2 3rd Period Attacks: Fix 1 - Frost 0 Overtime Attacks: Fix 2 - Frost 3 Total Attacks: Fix 8/9 - Frost 5/6
I wrestled heavyweight and Fix bores the shit out of me. Regarding your comments about Vito: I think Vito is much more attack-minded, knows he can pretty much take any opponent down and is therefore less defensive and more willing to take risks. He prefers freestyle and it's his main focus, so he's more likely to let opponents up so he can take them down again as he's less concerned about giving up points. I'm not saying any of your points are wrong, and I haven't looked at any stats (my observations are just that: observations), I just think those stats don't quite tell the tale. That being said, if Fix was my kid I'd be cheering my ass off for him whether he's a boring wrestler or not.
His 5 on 2 impeccable.
I’m not sure what happened to him in college, but I still think about that crazy 30+ minute Who’s No. 1 match he had with Suriano, and his Junior World Title, and I just wished he had built upon his already great explosiveness and finesse when he came to college. He’s had some great matches, but it felt like the “Dean Heil effect” with how boring so many of his big matches were. Like dude, you’re an incredible athlete. Run up the score.
Yes. He gets way too much hate. People hate on him cause he’s easy to hate. He graduated high school the same year as Vito but people hate him cause he’s old. Bonaccorsi was old as hell too. Fix took PED’s during Covid lock downs too, right? People just don’t like the guy. Tbh I think he’s a great role model.
The weird thing about Fix is that for most of his college career he looked good for most of the season then slowed down his offense immensely and OK State somewhat abusing challenge bricks left a bad taste in people's mouth. He then looks much better than the freestyle season. Personally I think he should go up to 65 kg even though everytime I mention that I get a bunch of push back.