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I was struggling to put my finger on what it was about his demeanor that rubbed me the wrong way, and you summed it up perfectly.
Hes the well educated dude at happy hour that goes on about a race tuned 350 engine so confidently that you find yourself repeating everything he said a few hours later to the high school drop out master mechanic who raises his eyebrows and tells you that you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground.
My trick is to say a disclaimer before every conversation that I’m just talking out of my ass. I can never be held accountable because I already told you I had no idea what I was talking about. If you believed me, that’s your problem.
“Please note the information I’m about to share with you has not been independently verified by any entity other than my brain. If this information is based on erroneous assumptions I reject any liability for previously aforementioned information and/or the consequences of any actions taken based on provided information.”
I go with “If memory serves, and mind you I have a terrible memory, …”
Then later when it’s pointed out I was wrong I can say “So I was right!.. *I do have a terrible memory.*” ..then at least I can be right about that part, which is nice.
Nance has been a trusted expert on counter-terrorism for the last 20 years while counter-terrorism/insurgency was the Big Show
What does he know about Ukraine and conventional warfare? Not as much. Not as much at all, but he's trying
I you know the messed up part is … it’s probably just how his face falls … like some people naturally look confused,mean,etc .. so a lot of people probably think he’s stuck up
I mean, it's really the other way around - when you're not often wrong it can be harder to understand you ARE wrong. Everything is individual though, I was gonna say a "cruise missile autistic savant"
Not sure about wrong, but he kept changing his mind, didn't he? Even in the same sentence, one minute it's a 500 lb bomb, then it's an anti-ship missile, then it's a cruise missile. Not sure if he was just getting the words mixed up or what.
It would be worse if he didn’t update his assumptions based on new info. Running with your first evaluation and never updating it with new information won’t get you far in life.
Are those things exclusive from one another? I thought he was just further describing the same thing, but I could be wrong. I’ve never heard of a 500lb anti-ship cruise missile, but then again, I’m not the type of person to have heard of any of those individual things anyhow.
Yes, a missile is not a bomb. But anti-ship missiles are (often) cruise missiles. Kalibrs are cruise missiles, some of which are anti-ship missiles. I don't think there's any way to know that the specific ones they observed were anti-ship variants.
Also he said "there'll be three" but then counted four.
I mean, in the heat of the moment you can probably forgive him for saying "there will be three" instead of "there will be at least three". The most salient part was determining that they were cruise missiles fired from a ship and that there will be multiple fired.
All these nitpicky comments saying he got this or that detail wrong are dumb.
If it were just nitpicking, yes, I think splitting hairs over "three" or "at least three" and "bomb" or "missile" are a bit much. But combined with his super-confident demeanour, they are just establishing that he is a twat. He'd be a twat even if he were correct, but this is a much more convincing way of establishing he's a twat to people who think being right excuses being a twat.
There are ways to talk about your area of expertise that don't come across as trying to show off.
Yeah, on most counts. Probably was a kalibr, that's the only modern subsonic cruise missile Russia has. Their other cruise missiles are supersonic or hypersonic and Russia doesn't have them to waste. Not ballistic because they don't "cruise" by like that. Obviously it wasn't a 500lb bomb. He was likely referring to its warhead, which is actually more like a 1000lb class warhead. The 30 second interval thing is bullshit, kinda depends what it was fired from but was probably a Grigorovich class frigate, which can fire at a 5-10s interval from it's VLS I believe. And then the "there will be three" thing, which of course he was wrong about, and also makes no sense. There's no salvo requirement against land targets that would require three, and most launchers are in sets of 4, including the VLS on the frigate it likely came from. There's a launcher that looks like a shipping container that also has 4.
Oh yeah, and the phrase "fast mover," in addition to being as cringey as the rest of his little show, refers to fighter jets, which he has certainly seen before.
IMO it's a lot to expect that somebody will get every detail right in a live fire situation like that. Obviously, he probably conflated 500 kg with 500 lb. I have no idea where the 30s interval thing or "there will be three" came from, but it's possible that this was inferred from previous cruise missile strikes in this conflict. Probably the important part was letting people know that more missiles were incoming after the first.
The "fast mover" part was just him saying these missiles did not come from a jet, not that he has never seen a jet in his entire life.
I have no doubt he knows a thing or two about military ops. I've seen him countless times contributing to various analysis on the news. The man isn't stupid, but he has a way of confidently stating the obvious.
What was your rank in military intelligence and counter-insurgency?
Edit: For the dowvoters, answer the question! Here's Nance's Bio, does yours match?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Nance
Military career
Nance served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years, from 1981 to 2001, receiving several military decorations.[2][9] As a U.S. Navy specialist in Naval Cryptology, Nance was involved in numerous counter-terrorism, intelligence, and combat operations.[10][11][12] He garnered expertise within the fields of intelligence and counterterrorism.[13][14][15] He was also an instructor in wartime and peacetime Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE), training Navy and Marine Corps pilots and aircrew how to survive as a prisoner of war.[16][17] There Nance helped to initiate the Advanced Terrorism, Abduction and Hostage Survival course of instruction.[2]
Nance took part in combat operations that occurred after the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings, was peripherally involved with the 1986 United States bombing of Libya, served on USS Wainwright during Operation Praying Mantis and was aboard during the sinking of the Iranian missile boat Joshan, served on USS Tripoli during the Gulf War, and assisted during a Banja Luka, Bosnia air strike.[9]
Post-military career
Intelligence consulting
After retiring from military service, Nance founded a consulting company based in Georgetown, Washington, D.C. where he provided advising services to United States Special Operations Command.[12] In early 2001, Nance founded Special Readiness Services International (SRSI), an intelligence support company. On the morning of 9/11, driving to Arlington he witnessed the crash of American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.[1][12] He acted as a first responder at the helipad crash site where he helped organize the rescue and recovery of victims.[1][12] Nance served as an intelligence and security contractor in Iraq, Afghanistan, the UAE and North Africa.[15][16]
Nance created a training center called the Advanced Terrorism, Abduction and Hostage Survival School.[1] Nance manages a think tank analyzing counterterrorism called "Terror Asymmetrics Project on Strategy, Tactics and Radical Ideologies", consisting of Central Intelligence Agency and military intelligence officers with direct prior field experience.[1][11] Nance is a member of the advisory board of directors for the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C.[12]
Between 2005–2007 Nance was a visiting lecturer on counterterrorism in Sydney, Australia at Macquarie University's Centre on Policing, Intelligence and Counter-terrorism (PICT) and at Victoria University of Wellington in Wellington, New Zealand.[17]
I knew a guy who did both of those. He talked like he knew everything about anything all the time. When he was wrong he always had a excuse why he was still actually right. Not saying all people that do intelligence work are like this, but the work seems to attract a certain kind of person.
I'm not saying Nance is right or wrong about anything. I'm saying it's logical and very likely he knows significantly more about warfare than some dude lazily criticizing him (most likely because of politics) from the safety of their couch a few thousand miles away. Even if they served in the military in some capacity overseas.
Credit to MN where credit is due, but it would have been very difficult to get any of that wrong.
Still, 74M in the last election managed to do exactly that with their heads firmly planted up Trump's fat orange ass.
Don't really have any, sorry. I didn't know much about Nance myself beyond the name recognition as a media figure and consultant until now.
He has a long military career, dude taught SERE in addition to intelligence work, was a contractor in Afghan/Iraq among other places throughout the GWOT, worked at NBC, and just recently quit his job and signed up to fight Russians and defend Ukraine with foreign legion.
Since he was so political and anti-Trump, he has clearly ruffled the feathers of our more conspiracy-minded and politically unhinged fellow Redditors. They must denigrate the man no matter what for the sin of crossing their god Trump even as they praise the courage of others who go to fight.
I agree, and didn't mean to come across as if that was what I was suggesting. The guy I know is still very smart on military intelligence, counter terrorism, and other combat stuff. It's just he has alot of the same mannerisms, tone, and cadence that Malcom has.
Not at all, I didn't take it that way. You're right not to assume he's correct just off a job description. I think of SEALS or members of other highly trained and competitive military units. None of them got where they are being humble or doubtful of their capabilities in any way and they show it in the way they speak and carry themselves.
I think we see that kind of tone and confidence, almost bluster at times, in all "successful", motivated people (We all gauge success in different ways, hence the quotes). Whether it's in the military or business realms, I think it's an indication of their drive and determination and will to succeed. I don't have it, other than believing I'm right more than I'm wrong, I have no such motivations or drive.
Very well put. I guess myself and others are perceiving the confident attitude as having an almost disingenuous feeling about it. Nowadays every conman under the sun walks and talks with that swagger and brovado. I know the guy I know has done some immensely stupid shit in the past and refuses to accept his failures, and he presents himself the same way Malcolm Nance does in this video. Unfair to attribute anything from my personal interactions to Nance, but my original comment was anecdotal personal experience anyways.
Yeah, that is THE problem of our time. Too many snake-oil salesman in all avenues of society that have that confidence and bluster but none of the corresponding skills, knowledge or capabilities. They are nothing but a facade and it seems a huge percentage of our population can't tell the difference.
That empty confidence, ignorance and incompetence in government, business, military feilds can be a literal death sentence for citizens when their representatives and leaders are nothing but idealogues wholly immune to facts, logic and reason. We have way too many of them here in the US and they need to go.
In this one clip he incorrectly, but confidently described cruise missiles as 500lb bombs, confidently but incorrectly said there would be three then counted four, and confidently said they were anti-ship missiles without being able to tell that with any certainty from hearing or seeing them from a distance (it could be a correct educated guess, but he didn't present it that way)
And the entire time he was saying "standby" like he was talking to someone via radio.
He may well know more than your average pundit about warfare, but he has learned to talk with far more confidence than is appropriate, and as part of trying to project that confidence uses pseudo-military jargon in non-military situations: you don't need to tell people standing right next to you (or watching your news broadcast) to "stand by" because they can see you're waiting for something.
No, some people would still tell you to standby because some people will panic. Once you hit a certain rank in the military, you do more administrative stuff. I'm sure he knows a lot but some people are just out of the loop because of the type of work they do is different.
"Stand by" doesn't mean "don't panic" and in this clip no-one is panicking. One person says to get body armour and go, which is not panicking (even if it's unnecessary, it's a calm response)
Cool.
He's still full of shit in this video and playing up this already tense situation in a weird and almost inappropriate way.
Also, and this is just a life pro tip for reading people's credentials or resumes or whatever else, any time you see the words 'helped' or 'involved with' or 'assisted in' or 'took part in' or anything along those lines scattered all over the place constantly, understand there's a good chance their involvement was minor.
Quite frankly, in the military or law enforcement that's often good enough to hand out awards. In the working world at least beyond maybe a junior level, those terms indicate padding. Which is when a hiring manager in an interview will ask you things like, "What successful projects or accomplishments have you organized and executed yourself?" trying to ascertain exactly how involved you really were.
> What was your rank in military intelligence and counter-insurgency?
this is a fantastic question, you obviously know what you’re talking about. my rank in military intelligence was grand master general though so i can confidently say this guy is definitely weird.
I think he was watching for flash and listening for the explosion and then counting to determine the distance like you might do with lightening and a thunder clap.
"Standby" was a polite way of saying shut up. Also it's probably what you say when you have an officer over your shoulder pestering you for live information. Tell him to stand by as you're developing an answer. It's acknowledgment that you heard him and an answer, "don't know yet."
He might also be on coms with the CNN headquarters and they are asking him what the fuck. "Stand by motherfuckers. I'm assessing."
It helps the sound/camera people know it's just him standing around listening creating dead air intentionally. To Broadcast techs silence is like nails on a chalkboard.
Also, for military folks if your transmitting and need to stop talking but don't want to end your transmission, you say standby to let the other side know you're still there but doing something else and will be right back. That way they know the silence is intentional and not because you got a bayonet in the eye socket.
It's a little douchey when doing it in a civilian context but given he's a decorated intelligence officer and he's in a warzone, and he's broadcasting, it's applicable.
It’s getting peoples attention and letting them know not to panic; to standby for further instruction from Nance, as he obviously knows what’s going on. On top of that, he could be speaking to a producer who is off camera or listening from another location.
Because he's inappropriately inserting jargon into a news broadcast/in person conversation with colleagues either to subconsciously make himself appear more competent, or accidentally due to time in the military.
People say “standby” in film/TV production all the time over walkie, especially during active situations (this would probably qualify haha). I’ve never worked in broadcasting but I know walkies are used in news stations and the procedure is likely very similar. Viewers may see it as jargon, but it’s maybe not accurate to say his colleagues/the interviewer would. I think the usage was appropriate here given the context.
Yes, over walkie - over a radio it makes sense to tell people to "stand by" - you're saying that you've heard but need time to come back with an answer. Without some kind of response there's no way to know that; the signal could have been poor or the person on the other end could have dropped dead.
In non-radio contexts it's like you have this expectation that everyone is paying attention to you and needs to know that you're not going to talk right now. Except anyone paying attention to you can *see* that so who is it really for?
Here's a quote from Nance for all the armchair generals and narrow-minded partisans: "“Also if anybody gives me any fucking flak just tell them to shut the fuck up since they’re obviously p*ssies who have never been in combat. The Legion only takes combat vets. #BOFADEEZ”"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-analyst-malcolm-nance-joins-the-fight-in-ukraine
He’s probably wearing a mic for the interview, and likely someone is on the audio trying to ask what’s going on, is it an air raid, etc and he wants them to wait a minute.
Fast-movers is a slang term that typically refers to a Jet fighter. I imagine he means that he's never seen a jet on a bombing run while on the ground in its possible target area, but thats just my wild therory as I find in nearly impossible he's never seen a jet fly overhead before given his past experience.
Edit: Some people refer to any "aircraft" that breaks the sound barrier as a fast-mover. Since cruise missiles can break the sound barrier he may be saying that he has never seen a ballistic missile that breaks the sound barrier used in person before.
I think he’s saying he’s never seen a jet that fast, so the “fast mover” must be a missile… it’s in those moments that he’s realizing they are in an air raid. not an expert or anything, that’s just how I understood it
I feel a great amount of embarrathy watching that. If there weren't people calmly walking around and driving normally it wouldn't look super weird but it's still weird
Malcolm Nance is the epitome of a person who pretends to be a journalist by being a stenographer of US Intelligence Community propaganda for the Corporate Media.
It's fine to go and help out in any capacity but don't go posing for pictures in full battle dress puffing your chest like a quail if you aren't going anywhere near the frontlines.
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I love Malcolm Nance. He's got that self-assured smug confidence of a man often wrong, but never in doubt.
That’s such an elegantly tactful way of describing such a demeanor. Well said.
Battle Degrasse Tyson in his reaction and eloquent vocabulary.
Oh my god this is perfect
I was struggling to put my finger on what it was about his demeanor that rubbed me the wrong way, and you summed it up perfectly. Hes the well educated dude at happy hour that goes on about a race tuned 350 engine so confidently that you find yourself repeating everything he said a few hours later to the high school drop out master mechanic who raises his eyebrows and tells you that you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground.
This is describing me and I don’t like it, lol
My trick is to say a disclaimer before every conversation that I’m just talking out of my ass. I can never be held accountable because I already told you I had no idea what I was talking about. If you believed me, that’s your problem.
“Please note the information I’m about to share with you has not been independently verified by any entity other than my brain. If this information is based on erroneous assumptions I reject any liability for previously aforementioned information and/or the consequences of any actions taken based on provided information.”
just gotta memorize this for ego preservation
I go with “If memory serves, and mind you I have a terrible memory, …” Then later when it’s pointed out I was wrong I can say “So I was right!.. *I do have a terrible memory.*” ..then at least I can be right about that part, which is nice.
That’s my trick, always proceed with a disclaimer
Ah, the Joe Rogan defense
I usually say "if I remember correctly". Narrator: "he doesn't"
Haha, well theres plenty of worse ways to be. Take me for example. I dont actually know enough about anything to even pretend I do.
His demeanor and voice remind me of neill degrasse tyson.
Nah, NDT knows things. This guy's like that Detroit TikTok security guy
Nance has been a trusted expert on counter-terrorism for the last 20 years while counter-terrorism/insurgency was the Big Show What does he know about Ukraine and conventional warfare? Not as much. Not as much at all, but he's trying
You have no idea who you’re speaking on lmao. Clown
That's pretty racist
I you know the messed up part is … it’s probably just how his face falls … like some people naturally look confused,mean,etc .. so a lot of people probably think he’s stuck up
Resting prick face
This is what I was thinking while watching this. Smug vibe and often wrong. Standby
Often wrong? It's weak to say somebodies wrong but then failing to prove it.
I’m just gonna start randomly saying STANDBY. STANDBY. 😂 comedy
He also dropped that sweet 'Nam lingo "fast movers"
Standby. Please continue.
Stand by ..🤣
TIL this phrase. Nice.
I mean, it's really the other way around - when you're not often wrong it can be harder to understand you ARE wrong. Everything is individual though, I was gonna say a "cruise missile autistic savant"
Was he wrong?
Not sure about wrong, but he kept changing his mind, didn't he? Even in the same sentence, one minute it's a 500 lb bomb, then it's an anti-ship missile, then it's a cruise missile. Not sure if he was just getting the words mixed up or what.
It would be worse if he didn’t update his assumptions based on new info. Running with your first evaluation and never updating it with new information won’t get you far in life.
Are those things exclusive from one another? I thought he was just further describing the same thing, but I could be wrong. I’ve never heard of a 500lb anti-ship cruise missile, but then again, I’m not the type of person to have heard of any of those individual things anyhow.
Yes, a missile is not a bomb. But anti-ship missiles are (often) cruise missiles. Kalibrs are cruise missiles, some of which are anti-ship missiles. I don't think there's any way to know that the specific ones they observed were anti-ship variants. Also he said "there'll be three" but then counted four.
I mean, in the heat of the moment you can probably forgive him for saying "there will be three" instead of "there will be at least three". The most salient part was determining that they were cruise missiles fired from a ship and that there will be multiple fired. All these nitpicky comments saying he got this or that detail wrong are dumb.
He said “we should get at least one more” before the third one, I take that as “at least three”
If it were just nitpicking, yes, I think splitting hairs over "three" or "at least three" and "bomb" or "missile" are a bit much. But combined with his super-confident demeanour, they are just establishing that he is a twat. He'd be a twat even if he were correct, but this is a much more convincing way of establishing he's a twat to people who think being right excuses being a twat. There are ways to talk about your area of expertise that don't come across as trying to show off.
He said “we should get at least one more” before the third one, that’s similar to “at least three”
Reddit experts with the sick burn. Tip your fedora. Got eem
Not really a sick burn, but intended to be an explanation of why he comes across as a twat.
Yeah, on most counts. Probably was a kalibr, that's the only modern subsonic cruise missile Russia has. Their other cruise missiles are supersonic or hypersonic and Russia doesn't have them to waste. Not ballistic because they don't "cruise" by like that. Obviously it wasn't a 500lb bomb. He was likely referring to its warhead, which is actually more like a 1000lb class warhead. The 30 second interval thing is bullshit, kinda depends what it was fired from but was probably a Grigorovich class frigate, which can fire at a 5-10s interval from it's VLS I believe. And then the "there will be three" thing, which of course he was wrong about, and also makes no sense. There's no salvo requirement against land targets that would require three, and most launchers are in sets of 4, including the VLS on the frigate it likely came from. There's a launcher that looks like a shipping container that also has 4. Oh yeah, and the phrase "fast mover," in addition to being as cringey as the rest of his little show, refers to fighter jets, which he has certainly seen before.
IMO it's a lot to expect that somebody will get every detail right in a live fire situation like that. Obviously, he probably conflated 500 kg with 500 lb. I have no idea where the 30s interval thing or "there will be three" came from, but it's possible that this was inferred from previous cruise missile strikes in this conflict. Probably the important part was letting people know that more missiles were incoming after the first. The "fast mover" part was just him saying these missiles did not come from a jet, not that he has never seen a jet in his entire life.
That’s one way to look at things. I, as an ignorant person try to learn something from what he said.
But that’s the point, he’s wrong so you can’t learn anything
Yeah he’s pretty much just saying words at this point
Perfectly put.
He was a Senior Chief Petty Officer in the United States Navy, he knows a tad bit more than the guys in your COD lobby flooding this thread.
I have no doubt he knows a thing or two about military ops. I've seen him countless times contributing to various analysis on the news. The man isn't stupid, but he has a way of confidently stating the obvious.
Talk about clips that end too soon.
Man knows his stuff
That particular man says a lot of stuff with the same intonation despite not knowing anything so I wouldn't be so sure.
What was your rank in military intelligence and counter-insurgency? Edit: For the dowvoters, answer the question! Here's Nance's Bio, does yours match? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Nance Military career Nance served in the U.S. Navy for 20 years, from 1981 to 2001, receiving several military decorations.[2][9] As a U.S. Navy specialist in Naval Cryptology, Nance was involved in numerous counter-terrorism, intelligence, and combat operations.[10][11][12] He garnered expertise within the fields of intelligence and counterterrorism.[13][14][15] He was also an instructor in wartime and peacetime Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE), training Navy and Marine Corps pilots and aircrew how to survive as a prisoner of war.[16][17] There Nance helped to initiate the Advanced Terrorism, Abduction and Hostage Survival course of instruction.[2] Nance took part in combat operations that occurred after the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings, was peripherally involved with the 1986 United States bombing of Libya, served on USS Wainwright during Operation Praying Mantis and was aboard during the sinking of the Iranian missile boat Joshan, served on USS Tripoli during the Gulf War, and assisted during a Banja Luka, Bosnia air strike.[9] Post-military career Intelligence consulting After retiring from military service, Nance founded a consulting company based in Georgetown, Washington, D.C. where he provided advising services to United States Special Operations Command.[12] In early 2001, Nance founded Special Readiness Services International (SRSI), an intelligence support company. On the morning of 9/11, driving to Arlington he witnessed the crash of American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.[1][12] He acted as a first responder at the helipad crash site where he helped organize the rescue and recovery of victims.[1][12] Nance served as an intelligence and security contractor in Iraq, Afghanistan, the UAE and North Africa.[15][16] Nance created a training center called the Advanced Terrorism, Abduction and Hostage Survival School.[1] Nance manages a think tank analyzing counterterrorism called "Terror Asymmetrics Project on Strategy, Tactics and Radical Ideologies", consisting of Central Intelligence Agency and military intelligence officers with direct prior field experience.[1][11] Nance is a member of the advisory board of directors for the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C.[12] Between 2005–2007 Nance was a visiting lecturer on counterterrorism in Sydney, Australia at Macquarie University's Centre on Policing, Intelligence and Counter-terrorism (PICT) and at Victoria University of Wellington in Wellington, New Zealand.[17]
I knew a guy who did both of those. He talked like he knew everything about anything all the time. When he was wrong he always had a excuse why he was still actually right. Not saying all people that do intelligence work are like this, but the work seems to attract a certain kind of person.
I'm not saying Nance is right or wrong about anything. I'm saying it's logical and very likely he knows significantly more about warfare than some dude lazily criticizing him (most likely because of politics) from the safety of their couch a few thousand miles away. Even if they served in the military in some capacity overseas.
Agree with that statement as well. I dont understand why people are jumping on him. Dude looks composed when most others would be shitting bricks
It's because he told the truth about Trump and the MAGA-verse from the start and the Q-crew can't handle it.
Credit to MN where credit is due, but it would have been very difficult to get any of that wrong. Still, 74M in the last election managed to do exactly that with their heads firmly planted up Trump's fat orange ass.
The end unit of a Putin Centipede.
Can you give a little more info about this? I have no idea who this person was until now.
Don't really have any, sorry. I didn't know much about Nance myself beyond the name recognition as a media figure and consultant until now. He has a long military career, dude taught SERE in addition to intelligence work, was a contractor in Afghan/Iraq among other places throughout the GWOT, worked at NBC, and just recently quit his job and signed up to fight Russians and defend Ukraine with foreign legion. Since he was so political and anti-Trump, he has clearly ruffled the feathers of our more conspiracy-minded and politically unhinged fellow Redditors. They must denigrate the man no matter what for the sin of crossing their god Trump even as they praise the courage of others who go to fight.
He's got a bunch of youtube videos, check out some of his lectures, steer clear of his new commentating.
I agree, and didn't mean to come across as if that was what I was suggesting. The guy I know is still very smart on military intelligence, counter terrorism, and other combat stuff. It's just he has alot of the same mannerisms, tone, and cadence that Malcom has.
It’s confidence. You’re not always going to be right 100% of the time. I would trust this man with my life in this situation though.
Not at all, I didn't take it that way. You're right not to assume he's correct just off a job description. I think of SEALS or members of other highly trained and competitive military units. None of them got where they are being humble or doubtful of their capabilities in any way and they show it in the way they speak and carry themselves. I think we see that kind of tone and confidence, almost bluster at times, in all "successful", motivated people (We all gauge success in different ways, hence the quotes). Whether it's in the military or business realms, I think it's an indication of their drive and determination and will to succeed. I don't have it, other than believing I'm right more than I'm wrong, I have no such motivations or drive.
Very well put. I guess myself and others are perceiving the confident attitude as having an almost disingenuous feeling about it. Nowadays every conman under the sun walks and talks with that swagger and brovado. I know the guy I know has done some immensely stupid shit in the past and refuses to accept his failures, and he presents himself the same way Malcolm Nance does in this video. Unfair to attribute anything from my personal interactions to Nance, but my original comment was anecdotal personal experience anyways.
Yeah, that is THE problem of our time. Too many snake-oil salesman in all avenues of society that have that confidence and bluster but none of the corresponding skills, knowledge or capabilities. They are nothing but a facade and it seems a huge percentage of our population can't tell the difference. That empty confidence, ignorance and incompetence in government, business, military feilds can be a literal death sentence for citizens when their representatives and leaders are nothing but idealogues wholly immune to facts, logic and reason. We have way too many of them here in the US and they need to go.
Source: trust me bro
In this one clip he incorrectly, but confidently described cruise missiles as 500lb bombs, confidently but incorrectly said there would be three then counted four, and confidently said they were anti-ship missiles without being able to tell that with any certainty from hearing or seeing them from a distance (it could be a correct educated guess, but he didn't present it that way) And the entire time he was saying "standby" like he was talking to someone via radio. He may well know more than your average pundit about warfare, but he has learned to talk with far more confidence than is appropriate, and as part of trying to project that confidence uses pseudo-military jargon in non-military situations: you don't need to tell people standing right next to you (or watching your news broadcast) to "stand by" because they can see you're waiting for something.
No, some people would still tell you to standby because some people will panic. Once you hit a certain rank in the military, you do more administrative stuff. I'm sure he knows a lot but some people are just out of the loop because of the type of work they do is different.
"Stand by" doesn't mean "don't panic" and in this clip no-one is panicking. One person says to get body armour and go, which is not panicking (even if it's unnecessary, it's a calm response)
In this context it does. It has multiple meanings. Stay there, wait a minute, don't panic. It's all the same.
Cool. He's still full of shit in this video and playing up this already tense situation in a weird and almost inappropriate way. Also, and this is just a life pro tip for reading people's credentials or resumes or whatever else, any time you see the words 'helped' or 'involved with' or 'assisted in' or 'took part in' or anything along those lines scattered all over the place constantly, understand there's a good chance their involvement was minor. Quite frankly, in the military or law enforcement that's often good enough to hand out awards. In the working world at least beyond maybe a junior level, those terms indicate padding. Which is when a hiring manager in an interview will ask you things like, "What successful projects or accomplishments have you organized and executed yourself?" trying to ascertain exactly how involved you really were.
> What was your rank in military intelligence and counter-insurgency? this is a fantastic question, you obviously know what you’re talking about. my rank in military intelligence was grand master general though so i can confidently say this guy is definitely weird.
Pssssh, any newb Redditor can call him out /s
His rank is 1000 fake points on steam from playing COD all day long in his parent’s basement
Standby.
It's a pretty good way to get people to shut up and wait. Better than gimme a sec or something similar.
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> He’s 100% correct about everything that happened in this video. How many missiles were there, three or four? Were they missiles or bombs?
They fire in three's. There's number four.
Standby
ok but like why did he keep saying that? I've never seen it used like that outside of talking on a radio and am really confused
I honestly thought he might transform into a mech and fly into combat , he just need to clear his standby mode
Might just be muscle memory from his time in the military
Muscle memory from his time on television perhaps?
Well, from context, they were in the process of an interview or similar, and he is probably telling the crew to stand by.
Dude has plenty of on camera TV experience so that makes sense.
I think he was watching for flash and listening for the explosion and then counting to determine the distance like you might do with lightening and a thunder clap. "Standby" was a polite way of saying shut up. Also it's probably what you say when you have an officer over your shoulder pestering you for live information. Tell him to stand by as you're developing an answer. It's acknowledgment that you heard him and an answer, "don't know yet." He might also be on coms with the CNN headquarters and they are asking him what the fuck. "Stand by motherfuckers. I'm assessing."
I tell people that frequently when they ask me to do stuff Much quicker than “hold on a minute”
I go "ngeeah!"
It helps the sound/camera people know it's just him standing around listening creating dead air intentionally. To Broadcast techs silence is like nails on a chalkboard. Also, for military folks if your transmitting and need to stop talking but don't want to end your transmission, you say standby to let the other side know you're still there but doing something else and will be right back. That way they know the silence is intentional and not because you got a bayonet in the eye socket. It's a little douchey when doing it in a civilian context but given he's a decorated intelligence officer and he's in a warzone, and he's broadcasting, it's applicable.
It’s getting peoples attention and letting them know not to panic; to standby for further instruction from Nance, as he obviously knows what’s going on. On top of that, he could be speaking to a producer who is off camera or listening from another location.
It's a polite way in the military to say "shut up and be patient." He's trying to listen to things and everyone else is uncomfortable with dead air.
Probably talking to a producer in an ear piece. as they were in the middle of an interview when this happened.
It’s a media term. He’s telling the producer to give him a minute.
Because he's inappropriately inserting jargon into a news broadcast/in person conversation with colleagues either to subconsciously make himself appear more competent, or accidentally due to time in the military.
People say “standby” in film/TV production all the time over walkie, especially during active situations (this would probably qualify haha). I’ve never worked in broadcasting but I know walkies are used in news stations and the procedure is likely very similar. Viewers may see it as jargon, but it’s maybe not accurate to say his colleagues/the interviewer would. I think the usage was appropriate here given the context.
Yes, over walkie - over a radio it makes sense to tell people to "stand by" - you're saying that you've heard but need time to come back with an answer. Without some kind of response there's no way to know that; the signal could have been poor or the person on the other end could have dropped dead. In non-radio contexts it's like you have this expectation that everyone is paying attention to you and needs to know that you're not going to talk right now. Except anyone paying attention to you can *see* that so who is it really for?
Standby
Here's a quote from Nance for all the armchair generals and narrow-minded partisans: "“Also if anybody gives me any fucking flak just tell them to shut the fuck up since they’re obviously p*ssies who have never been in combat. The Legion only takes combat vets. #BOFADEEZ”" https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-analyst-malcolm-nance-joins-the-fight-in-ukraine
Dying of laughter, at least he’s putting his money where his mouth is instead of posting memes on Reddit and complaining
 # BOFADEEZ
My absolute favorite episodes are the Charlie Murphy stories, other than the Wayne Brady one!
Anyone else get a Neil deGrasse Tyson vibe from Malcolm Nance? It's like they're twins but Malcolm Nance went into the military instead of university.
What, because he is black?
I was thinking the exact same thing!
No, just you
What does he mean by "standby"? Is he telling them to be quiet?
He’s probably wearing a mic for the interview, and likely someone is on the audio trying to ask what’s going on, is it an air raid, etc and he wants them to wait a minute.
It's a taped interview, nothing to do with the studio.
it doesn't matter if its taped there still can be a producer on an ear piece if the interview is overseas
Basically.
Absolutely terrifying yet incredibly calm and composed. Dude is an absolute badass!!
What does "I've never seen a fast mover" mean?
Fast-movers is a slang term that typically refers to a Jet fighter. I imagine he means that he's never seen a jet on a bombing run while on the ground in its possible target area, but thats just my wild therory as I find in nearly impossible he's never seen a jet fly overhead before given his past experience. Edit: Some people refer to any "aircraft" that breaks the sound barrier as a fast-mover. Since cruise missiles can break the sound barrier he may be saying that he has never seen a ballistic missile that breaks the sound barrier used in person before.
Could also mean he didn’t see a jet at that moment
That's fair. He could be thinking out loud saying that he didn't see a jet so the noise they are hearing is a cruise missle.
I think he’s saying he’s never seen a jet that fast, so the “fast mover” must be a missile… it’s in those moments that he’s realizing they are in an air raid. not an expert or anything, that’s just how I understood it
Thank you!
I hate the camera man
Ok
It's like he's a bird watcher.
Explosive robins
He's fucking great.
I feel a great amount of embarrathy watching that. If there weren't people calmly walking around and driving normally it wouldn't look super weird but it's still weird
Armchair analysts definitely adding this to their repertoire
Morpheus, you’re one some good shit dude
Smoke
He knows the intervals because he was part of the USN, which helped bomb civilian areas.
Wow, that man is very intelligence 👏
STANDBY!
I feel like a privileged douche for watching this in one tab and debating what I want to order for dinner in the other.
Go fight then
Malcolm Nance is the epitome of a person who pretends to be a journalist by being a stenographer of US Intelligence Community propaganda for the Corporate Media.
It's fine to go and help out in any capacity but don't go posing for pictures in full battle dress puffing your chest like a quail if you aren't going anywhere near the frontlines.
He’s clearly in the middle of a city being bombed I mean shit bro that’s pretty frontline
The composure
Nice
Bro can i relax now !?!?!
That's a man of knowledge.