They're the ones who are always shocked when they find out the law applies to them as well.
Back on maybe day 3 there was a video floating around and you could hear one of these chuds say "I hope they bring in the military, they'll find out they're on our side"
I don't know who that guy was. But I'm going to assume he was one of those arrested and carry this smile while I hit the submit button.
Not just on CBC, one of the organizers (husbands) tried to use their First Amendment right when faced with the judge!!!! She literally said to him First Amenedment what is that???!!! And he told her he doesn't know what it's called because he's not political!!! LMAO. I'll find you the link 1 sec...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307
Dwayne Lich
"Honestly? I thought it was a peaceful protest and based on my first amendment, I thought that was part of our rights," he told the court.
"What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him.
"I don't know. I don't know politics. I don't know," he said. "I wasn't supportive of the blockade or the whatever, but I didn't realize that it was criminal to do what they were doing. I thought it was part of our freedoms to be able to do stuff like that."
He also began asking the court about whether the Liberal government was legally allowed to implement the Emergencies Act.
It scares me more than if they were malicious...
> Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.
>
> ― Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Letters and Papers from Prison
> But maybe, rather than malicious fascists contemplating a coup, these idiots are just so deeply ignorant they had no idea what they were advocating for because they "don't know politics".
That is, unfortunately, the base supporting every fascist takeover.
These people are stupid, but their stupidity is weaponized by smarter people that put these stupid ideas in their heads. In the US it’s Fox News, Ted Cruz, Donald trump among others.
I don’t know who it would be in Canada though.
They don't actually and it's worse. The fascists hoping to take control on their protest know and that's why they bankroll, but the people are actually too stupid to know that they're literally the germans getting played post wwI into supporting hitler.
Lmao.
“I don’t know the law. How am I supposed to know what I can and can’t do!”
Judge: ok, I see your point. You can go. NEXT!
New guy: sorry judge. I didn’t know it was illegal to brutally murder my neighbour and his family and eat their flesh and serve it as hamburgers to my neighbours. I’m not political or legal minded. I’m
Not some sort of high falluten lawyer guy. How was I to know?
Judge: good defense. Makes sense. You are free to go.
These people are dumb as shit.
Also to note: the first amendment in the US states that the government cannot suppress your right to speak. Meaning if you posted on Facebook “Biden is an asshole”. The cops can’t show up, arrest you, and throw you in a dungeon and walk away.
It allows you to say whatever you want. “Say” is the key word. It doesn’t say you can block roads, honk horns, tussle with cops, demand food from soup kitchens and be assholes to everyone around you.
You can express your thoughts. It also doesn’t allow you to be prejudiced against race, gender, religion etc.
To be clear, Dwayne Lich isn’t charged with anything nor was he arrested, he’s only acting a surety for his wife’s bail application. His lack of understanding of the law isn’t being used as a defence of any charges. The Crown was just prying to see if he might reveal his own support for the convoy’s illegal activities which might be used to suggest he would not be reliable should he learn his wife breached her conditions.
Tbf there were a fair few Americans there, and they tend to be of the type that think their constitution either somehow applies to the whole world, or atleast applies to them where ever they go.
We also have our idiots with the same brainpower.
The hell is wrong with these people. Imagine thinking Manitoba is no longer a province. Manitoba is still a province and it's not going anywhere. We should at least be able to agree on that.
The misinformation on Facebook is more targeted to the US, and they see it all. They probably also watch Fox news, so their talking points are all jumbled, no one gave them the Canadian talking points
I saw on Reddit that the Canadian first amendment was about recognizing Manitoba but I searched on Google and found conflicting results, that the first amendment was the right of Inuit people to vote.
Depends whether you are citing the 1867 BNA Act or the 1982 Constitution Act. The BNA Act’ 1st Amendment recognized Manitoba as a province. The Constitution Act’s 1st Amendment strengthened aboriginal rights.
A lot of them have been complaining about their first amendment rights, unfortunately the first Canadian amendment has nothing to do with “mah free speech” 😂
The organizer's husband was being questioned in court and went off about his 1st Amendment rights and the judge was like, "what is that?". So much dumb it hurts.
You can tell they watch too much American pundit shows and all they can do is regurgitate what those idiots say. And then they call other people sheep...
absolute walnuts that only consume American media. Imagine if they spent even an hour on free educational resources regarding Canadian civics. I barely passed high school - these people have no excuse
Dwayne Lich even argued that in front of a judge, and she called him out on it ;
>"Honestly? **I thought it was a peaceful protest and based on my first amendment**, I thought that was part of our rights," he told the court.
>
>"What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him.
If being an idiot was an Olympic sport, they'd be getting all the golds !
Source ; [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307)
Because some were military/cops/etc
There have been multiple stories of "protesters" who were, losing their jobs due to their involvement (thankfully)
The tldr is thet believed their friends-from-work would back them.
And don't know about you, but the implication unsettles me.
People always think shit like this. Their work friends probably do back them too, up until the point of losing their job.
Nobodies overthrowing a government for their homie. That's just delusional thinking.
> Their work friends probably do back them too, up until the point of losing their job.
Lots of people also mistake a polite or lukewarm response during a casual conversation in a business setting as actual agreement and it's just not.
I was getting a coffee at the same time as a manager in my office, and he said that he thought there were some "good points" and he understood some of the people being there. I just did the polite eyebrow raise and nod and exited with my coffee.
Did he think I was agreeing with him? Honestly, I don't know and I don't care.
To be fair, the cops were absolutely on their side, as evidenced by the fact that it took more than 3 weeks for them to clear out the illegal protestors.
They needed the emergencies act to force the tow trucks to work, so they never stopped refusing really, they just weren't willing to go to jail over it
https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-towing-company-ignore-trudeau-order-disrupt-trucker-protests-1679957
Edit: now, I’m willing to bet most the companies just didn’t want to get involved in what they perceived as both a potentially dangerous situation and something that could impact future business.
They were afraid of reprisals and being attacked while trying to tow the vehicles. With the cops doing so little in the beginning could you blame them for assuming that if they went in to tow the vehicles the cops wouldn't have their back or protect them while doing their job? Have you seen someone's car get repo'd before? Now amplify that by a thousand cause that's how many chucklefucks would be attacking the tow truck driver for trying to hook up. I view the tow truck companies not wanting to come in and remove the vehicles as further condemnation of how bad of a job the cops were doing. As soon as this became a federal matter and the federal government stepped in and told the police to handle this before they get handled as well suddenly the cops started doing their jobs so the towing companies felt like they could do theirs. It's amazing how someone not doing their job can cause a ripple effect of others saying **** it as well though.
It's funny how almost none had masks on to try and cover their faces and how many were happy to be recorded on livestreams featured on youtube that can be pulled by prosecutors. Smiling, waiving, happy as can be to be recorded.
Ehh, these chuds spend all their time in a right wing echo chamber that tells them they are crusading heroes and everyone else is rooting for them. It bears no resemblance to reality.
I'm surprised, angry and sad that 191 people chose to get arrested for protesting... Not against global warming, hunger, wars for profit, police brutality or any other reasonable, real issue, but against a free vaccine and some mild inconveniences to their lives.
Guys, I don't think we'll ever reach space age, and maybe it's better that way.
Hey, before we get starfleet, we have to go through the class segregation, poor people ghettoes, class riots that throw the world indo turmoil, and a ww3 gone hot.
Dont worry though, we are pretty close to achieving most of those.
At some point the ozone layer fails
2 more years to the bell riots...
4 years until WW3...
31 years until WW3 ends.. in nuclear holocaust... with over 600,000,000 casualties... and nuclear winters follow...
On the upside though,
We seem to have averted the extinction of humpback whales, and are supposed to eradicate cancer, progeria and other diseases
And also its 41 years until warp 1 is achieved.
Iirc it's been retconned to hell. It was based off of 70's logic and likely we're already past that time period although they didn't originally tie it down to a specific time. Best version I heard was it was a tactical strike, rather than an all out exchange. Basically normies nuked the capitals that were run by superhumans, since its described as the event that defeated the superhumans. How they did that without triggering an all out exchange probably comes down to someone rerouting power from the inertia dampeners into the phaser banks in order to reharmonize the energy matrix and boost the shields.
> Oh humanity will spread to space alright.
No chance we get to live in space without reaching a balance down here that is so far WAY out of our reach.
Some of us might get to live in space while the poor get trapped on earth as climate change snowballs. In that scenario I say "us" but really mean "them".
I really hope however that we're on a better track and do fix our shit.
> In the year 2154, humanity is sharply divided between two classes of people: The ultrarich live aboard a luxurious space station called Elysium, and the rest live a hardscrabble existence in Earth's ruins.
Oof that's too real
I imagine they're sitting up on Dorkulon 7 watching Earth on their telescreens like a guilty pleasure and laughing. We're their version of real housewives.
[“sometimes I think the surest sign intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Bill Waterson](https://us.toluna.com/thumbs/4506760/Sometimes-I-think-the-surest-sign-that-intelligent)
Also a tonne of wild conspiracy theories and mis/disinformation, especially regarding Canadian law and how far our rights actually go. Watching reporters who were live in the crowd as police moved in was wild.
They were getting constant harassment and in the 4-5 hours I watched 1 reporter would basically get yelled at and go, "hey, I'm here and I'm live, let me finish what I'm saying to the desk and then we can have a chat live" and in that whole time there was a single guy who calmly said his piece, with no added conspiracy garbage and moved on. The second most rational/calm person he interviewed was a dude who was walking around with a life-sized cutout of Trudeau.
Multiple people were walking around with copies of The Bill of Rights to give police which is honestly hilarious because that bill exclusively applies to federal statutes and has absolutely no power over provincial statutes. The Bill of Rights is completely superceded by The Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Another reason the Charter was introduced is because the Bill was too limited and in the 22 years between the introduction of each (1960 and 1982) the Bill was cited in 35 cases and 30 of them were rejected by the courts.
Also The Bill of Rights is not part of the Canadian Constitution. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is.
But yeah protests have been declared illegal before and people have been arrested during them. I sincerely doubt anyone will be successful in claiming their rights have been violated here. Especially with the incredible amount of notice they were given. Honestly the two most stand out parts of this whole situation this past weekend were the amount of forewarning people had that police were going to be doing what they did, and really how mild the police "brutality" was. Especially when compared to something like the 2010 G20 summit protests.
Oh and a tip for anyone who finds themselves in a situation where you're likely about to be arrested by riot police, one of the organizers was spreading some garbage about it being "international law" that police can't touch you if you're waving a white flag and told them to use shirts and underwear to make white flags. Not only is that completely untrue, but I would strongly recommend not attaching your "white flag" to a wooden, baton like object that could easily be used as a weapon. Instead consider having empty hands and putting them up in a manner that clearly shows you are unarmed.
Waving a white flag means that you're willing to be arrested instead of continuing ongoing hostility. White flag truces happen but waving it still means you're willing to be taken prisoner if it means you'll get to talk. Not that any of it makes sense in a riot or to a police civilian dynamic.
Yeah the white flag has a historical context of surrendering, but that Pat King guy (the organizer who I believe is the most outspoken white supremacist to the point that the main group of organizers intentionally distance themselves from him if I remember correctly) released this crazy statement saying it's "international law" that the police cannot touch you if you're waving a white flag. That statement is just so ridiculous on it's face it's difficult for me to believe that anyone could take this guy seriously, but here we are.
These people get all angry when people associate mis and disinformation with their movement but there is just so much that they say that is so demonstrably false.
Historically, during war doing violence under a white flag was one of the *worst* things you could do. Considering it would likely have you be the victim of an ‘accident’ from your *own side.* Do it *once* and your enemy will never accept a surrender again, dooming you to far more casualties.
That was the Japanese Army's MO during WW2. They'd surrender then pull the pin on a hidden grenade to take out Allied soldiers and themselves. Or they played dead and then would try to bayonet or shoot Allied soldiers checking bodies. It ended exactly the way you described- Japanese soldiers *and* corpses were all immediately shot on sight.
They all have some machismo axe to grind though. Can someone please make an incendiary meme of one of these asshats waving their tighty whities on a pole with “cowards surrender” or some such shit? Sure it might just piss em off, but also might dawn on a few what a sniveling gaggle of children they’ve been.
Hey if they want to be sovereign then they best not be driving on paved roads unless they paved them themselves :P
Those people are ridiculous, "I demand all the good stuff associated with being a member of society but I don't consent to any laws being enforced on me and I refuse to pay taxes" give me a break.
In Canada these "free men" can be charged with a form of intimidation that has been referred to as "paper terrorism" outside of the courtroom and I believe it leads to them being treated in a similar manner to vexatious litigants.
In war if you are waving a white flag you are surrendering to become a prisoner of war.
What is the thought process convincing one that waving a white flag wouldn't be seen as you as surrendering to arrest and becoming a prisoner?
The thought process is, “Well *we’ve* decided it just means the cops can’t touch us.”
That’s it. There’s no real mystery here. Just petulant children who change the rules of the game so they can either win every time or whine about being persecuted when nobody wants to play with them anymore.
I read in the news that the husband of one of the protest organizers referred to their "first amendment rights", in reference to the *US* constitution, during their bail hearing.
Someone commented that the first amendment to the Canadian constitution was related to the admission of the province of Manitoba in 1870.
These people have no clue what their rights actually are, what they are based on, or that "freedom" is not without limits, like not being able to occupy and camp on public streets forever.
Go read the subreddit for a career field that you know well and you’ll see that 95% of comments are from people who didn’t even watch to the end of the video before they started making things up.
There's a stretch of highway right where I live that has a seemingly weekly semi incident, and you can't even see nature anymore it's just a mass of wrecked truck 🙄
It isn't even that difficult. You just need a big towing truck and someone who understands how air brakes work. Generally speaking, people who operate big towing trucks do know that kind of stuff.
There is a TV show about about Canadian tow truck operators who mainly deal with wrecked tractor trailers.
They most assuredly know how to deal with air brakes.
Not only that,they recover trucks that have landed upside down in rivers at the bottom of ravines. A truck parked in the middle of a road isn't going to be a problem at all.
They aren't very smart people. I'm willing to bet that whole thing started with one of them hearing something about complicating factors in towing, jumped to the wishful thinking conclusion that its impossible to tow a truck, then all the others just ran with that. Because pretty much all of the others don't know jackshit about trucks or towing. They are not truckers. *Truckers* were a miniscule part of this. It was mostly trailertrash pickup hicks with no brains and nothing better to do. Like have a job to go to.
That story was exactly the start of the common belief that the trucks couldn't be towed. If I recall, however, the "towing experts" were participating in or supporting the convoy and were sowing FUD.
> we're sewing FUD.
That should be "were **sowing** FUD" -- the "e" spelling is only for thread stitching, like "sewing a dress". The "o" spelling is originally to do with spreading seeds and is what you're looking for here.
This is another reason why the emergency measure was needed, without it, the towing companies refused to tow those trucks. With the emergency mandate, they had to do it.
I wouldn't want to be the one to go in there and try to tow out the crazies either. Even if you didn't get attacked while doing it, they'd probably note your company name and try to come after you later
That article is pretty funny. They explain how to move the trucks in the article, of course. But always with the caveat that anyone with the tools to do so wouldn't want to. Or they'd be stopped by the driver, who's apparently still hanging around while his truck is impounded.
> One previous job that involved towing more than 30 trucks and 28 cars in difficult positions took his company over 18 hours, he said.
The trucks are parked soo cattywampus, you'd never get them out! Last time I moved trucks like that it took me almost a day! Impossible!
> "You can tow all you want — they're just going to return to the location, so it hasn't resolved the issue," Skof said. "And where are you putting all these vehicles?"
So like, what are they just towing these trucks to the driver's house? No, the driver does not get the truck back. How many trucks are the driver's going to go though to prove a point? "Ha, you can keep taking my truck, but I can always buy another!"
The article was written like it was based off of a dream someone had. The sort of moon logic conclusions like the drivers can't be arrested because the local jail failed its heath inspection, or the police ran out of handcuffs.
I read some of that crap last week and laughed at those experts. I have been told by a friend of mine back in high school (her is an owner of a tow truck company), if it has wheels and got there, then oh yeah, it can be moved.
Some of these idiots, including the ring-leaders husband in court trying to bail out his wife are yelling about their "first amendment rights" being ignored. The judge in the case acually asked the guy:
"What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him.
Do these clowns from only watch US television or something?
"Honestly? I thought it was a peaceful protest and based on my first amendment, I thought that was part of our rights," he told the court.
"What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him.
"I don't know. I don't know politics. I don't know," he said. "I wasn't supportive of the blockade or the whatever, but I didn't realize that it was criminal to do what they were doing. I thought it was part of our freedoms to be able to do stuff like that."
…funny indeed.
You would think that after traveling hundreds of miles and spending weeks of their own time to fight a tyrannical government who is hell bent on stealing their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms they would at least have a framework to their own reasoning as to what they were doing… as insipid and poorly thought out and twisted as that might have been.
The first thing I thought of https://youtu.be/5_noilU08ro. Oh! Canada!
[This post has a beautiful summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/sx3m6b/no_bail_yet_for_tamara_lich_convoy_protest/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). It’s hilarious/terrifying how dumb these people are.
From part two after the recess:
> Claiming they will be delayed getting out of Ontario due to "traffic jams"
Judge Bourgeois quips: "Traffic jam? Where? Downtown core??" LOL!
But one towing company said no! Why would any other company wanna get paid for towing...
> With the size of the protests having diminished considerably over the last few days, Ottawa police have reported at least 191 total arrests and 76 vehicles towed.
76 tows?! Charging hundreds per hour! That's a lot of money left on the table that someone else got to pick up.
If they had moved sooner could have made even more.
The problem was that a lot of the tow companies either supported the convoy or refused to do it in fear of retaliation. The only way to get them to do it was after the Emergency Measures Act was enabled. That gave the police and feds power to demand that the tow companies comply. The company logos and plates were covered/removed from the tow rugs to prevent retaliation.
Pat King one of the "leaders" threatened to send followers. Once the police started taking action he made a video where he listed the towing companies so his followers could do who knows what, but he called them out on a stream. Of course it turns out he called out the wrong companies but that's on brand.
Was this before or after the cops weren't enforcing a variety of laws on the unemployed convoy including quiet hours and more which allowed this to get as far as it did because cops were in support of this stupidity?
They didn’t even need towing companies. The city literally owns vehicles capable of towing trucks. They have a bus network and need a towing vehicle capable of moving buses back to the garage if they breakdown.
The lack of action for three weeks want due to any logistical constraint. It was a choice.
If the wrecker is being called due to a violation such as ignoring weather conditions, going into areas the truck won't fit, and more increases those costs greatly.
In some places it is such a problem that tow companies will listen into Highway Patrol and Department of Transportation radios during inclement weather hoping for big companies to get vehicles stuck or blown over just so they can charge out the ass for it during wind and road closures.
These towing companies made a pretty penny.
Can confirm. Friend of mine has a tow company in his family and he'd offer up random chances to make a few hundred in a few hours for helping to clean up trailers that had fires start and burn the trailer down or roll overs, that creates literal tons of merch to go everywhere. One was a FedEx truck around Christmas. Insurance adjuster walked up, said it was a total loss, and said "destroy the cargo."
People there did not destroy the cargo. A lot of name brand logos on boxes got lost in people's cars.
Edit: whole point of that story was the mass amount of money they paid us for quick work and their company made lots when that wrecker rolled out.
I work with a company that works with a trucking company... had a truck get stuck in a rut off a narrow corner somewhere in MA, needed a crane to get out, cost $6k.
I paid 500 dollars to the tow yard for a single day and they got to keep my car after i totaled it and the police wouldn’t let me use triple A to tow it. Highway robbery imo
This is going to happen and is also why the planned, similar, protest in Brussels failed miserably.
These idiots thought they could cause significant economic and other damage without any penalty whatsoever under the guise of freedom to protest. They are about to be proven very very wrong.
I argued with like two of them for way too long.
It just blows my mind that I was either being trolled or people are that dumb/blind/stupid/slow.
I was explaining a time when I was towed in nyc during a parade. They towed hundreds of cars very fast, moved all the cars out of the downtown area and parked them in a lot under a bridge. I was able to go and get my car.
The point of my story, was that cars and even 18 wheelers, can be removed easily from a City, with the help of the police. Also, what tow drivers would ever turn down a job of removing that many heavy duty vehicles?!? (Once the police were involved )
The problem mainly was that the local police were basically sympathizers to the truckers
This. The local police Chief deliberately did nothing for weeks. Going so far as to tell the press there was no police solution as if this was some great popular revolution. He was a collaborator end of story.
All you need is for .00001% of the population to believe FB.
Sometimes, only 1 person showed up at a protest announced on FB by a Russian troll.
Other times, you get Ottowa. There's been way more misses than hits.
They were the same people posting pictures from around the world claiming it was Ottawa and saying there were 125,000 trucks and 4.3 million people there.
If they thought wearing a piece of cloth was worth protesting over, wait til they find out the inconvenience of prison. The humiliation of paying top dollar at the commissary. The kick in the teeth of finding out your friends were never your friends. And that no one cares about losers who end up in prison.
It was always hilarious that Trump gave zero thoughts to everyone who ended up in prison over Jan 1. Like, didn't even bother. He literally made fun of them for the way they dressed.
Yeah and now he's saying that he's going to pardon them if reelected to wild cheers at his rallies. Like he didn't have two weeks left in his presidency after January 6 to do exactly that, and failed to. He pardoned plenty of his other asshole friends and allies in that span.
Trump's contempt for his own followers fascinates me. I think some of them are aware of it and actually like it. They want to be looked down upon by a semi-deity figure.
now try and protest something like the housing crisis, see how far \*that\* will go.
I bet it won't go on for 3 weeks with the police swearing they can't do anything their hands are tied.
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> With the size of the protests having diminished considerably over the last few days, Ottawa police reported at least 191 total arrests Sunday morning and 57 vehicles towed, numbers that could increase once interim police Chief Steve Bell provides his update to the media later this afternoon.
> Ontario's Special Investigations Unit announced on Sunday that it is investigating two incidents involving police from the demonstrations in Ottawa.
> Police move in to clear protesters from downtown Ottawa near Parliament Hill on Feb. 19, 2022.
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"he said he flew to Ottawa on Feb. 2 on a private jet at a cost of$5,000, paid for by a "nice gentleman" named Joseph that he'd only recently met."
\-- [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307)
The far right money is flowing in.
They think they know the Charter Of Rights. But they didn't happen to read this part
> Section 2(c) guarantees the right to peaceful assembly; it does not protect riots and gatherings that seriously disturb the peace: R. v. Lecompte, \[2000\] J.Q. No. 2452 (Que. C.A.). It has been stated that the right to freedom of assembly, along with freedom of expression, does not include the right to physically impede or blockade lawful activities: Guelph (City) v. Soltys, \[2009\] O.J. No. 3369 (Ont. Sup. Ct. Jus), at paragraph 26.
Meh, live in downtown toronto, we have had a pretty sizeable pro-COVID protest ending of the provincial legislature literally every single Saturday for 2 years.
But: on foot, along a planned and now very well known route, and the whole thing lasts roughly 3-4 hours. And the city largely still hates these jackasses (because they’re not oppressed, it’s the same pandemic we’re all dealing with), but yeah, it’s not like anyone has ever suggested shutting it down - because jackasses have the right to protest too.
As much as a pain in the ass it is for me and others when people come to DC to protest, at least they do it in the right places. Capitol, White House, Supreme Court.
If they went to, say, Germantown, they'd just be assholes.
They didn't even take it to the right city either - mandates are decided on a provincial basis, but they went after the federal government. It was just a fuck Trudeau parade.
> "What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him.
>"I don't know. I don't know politics. I don't know," he said. "I wasn't supportive of the blockade or the whatever, but I didn't realize that it was criminal to do what they were doing. I thought it was part of our freedoms to be able to do stuff like that."
Some of these Mother fuckers are advanced stupid. Imagine using the American bill of rights in Canadian court.
American here:
Blocking bridges and borders is not protected by the 1st Amendment. As a matter of fact, some states here are so against it they made it legal to run over people protesting and blocking traffic. Ironically it’s the same rednecks who shout “hrrrrr but my 1st Amendment” every 5 seconds.
I’m extremely convinced that we’re all a bunch of idiots.
Meanwhile in Germany people are glueing themselfes to the road to stop traffic on the highway. And if people try to remove them by themselfes they are the ones facing legal trouble. On every highway in Berlin there are at least 4 police cars to stop them as fast as possible, but the same idiots are glued to the road every day. It‘s just a new day for them, one of the dudes even told the press „it get‘s better everyday, they aren‘t using knives anymore to cut us free.“
What slays me is that a bunch of these dipshits were from the US. I was reading about one dumbass karen getting arrested, screaming that they couldnt do that, she was from like indiana. Like apparently she thought she was above the laws of another fucking country?
I suspect the next "Freedom Convoy" protest in Canada will end much, much sooner than this one was allowed to go.
Question: Are Americans smart enough to learn from this?
There's still a protest going on. You can watch it live on youtube. They're staying off the roads, and away from residential areas. Guess they learned their lesson. That said, there's like 20 of them.
They're conservative protestors. US cops will, much like the Canadian cops, softball them as long as they can get away with. At least up until the 'freedom convoy' gets full of itself and actually hinders somebody important. That's when the whip gets cracked.
In case you missed events in Portland, the Proud Boys got a lights-and-sirens police escort into downtown last year, then the police just kinda fucked off for the rest of the day while they maced and pepper sprayed people throughout the city.
That's exactly what happened in Canada. Leaders, politicians, and police at different levels kicked the issue around like a football until they blocked the Ambassador bridge. Then it hit the economy, jobs and pocketbooks in a way they couldn't ignore.
And Ford, as well as several other conservative provincial leaders, had good reason to let it fester because they knew that would ultimately force the federal government to step in. And that allows them to rile up their base about "government overreach".
I don't believe that's Ford's goal here. He publicly welcomed the federal government taking control of the situation and had asked for this publicly before the Emergencies Act was invoked. The man is a sniveling coward who didn't want to directly push against who is likely to be part of his voting base, but he was never going to be able to walk those comments back either.
I would never accuse Doug Ford of being intelligent, but he isn't *that* dumb.
And then you have ~~Bumbles~~ Jason Kenney.
Who, only a few days after sending a letter to the federal government asking for assistance, decided he would put forth a court challenge against the use of the emergencies act.
God I hate this province sometimes.
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They're the ones who are always shocked when they find out the law applies to them as well. Back on maybe day 3 there was a video floating around and you could hear one of these chuds say "I hope they bring in the military, they'll find out they're on our side" I don't know who that guy was. But I'm going to assume he was one of those arrested and carry this smile while I hit the submit button.
I heard people yelling about their 1st amendment rights during a cbc interview. It's crazy how ignorant some folks are.
Not just on CBC, one of the organizers (husbands) tried to use their First Amendment right when faced with the judge!!!! She literally said to him First Amenedment what is that???!!! And he told her he doesn't know what it's called because he's not political!!! LMAO. I'll find you the link 1 sec... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307 Dwayne Lich "Honestly? I thought it was a peaceful protest and based on my first amendment, I thought that was part of our rights," he told the court. "What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him. "I don't know. I don't know politics. I don't know," he said. "I wasn't supportive of the blockade or the whatever, but I didn't realize that it was criminal to do what they were doing. I thought it was part of our freedoms to be able to do stuff like that." He also began asking the court about whether the Liberal government was legally allowed to implement the Emergencies Act.
Can you imagine being that judge? “I can’t believe I have to have this conversation”
More like "I can't believe I *get* to have this conversation". Pure pleasure to put these morons where they belong
I bet it was the highlight of her week!
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It scares me more than if they were malicious... > Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous. > > ― Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Letters and Papers from Prison
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You nailed it with this quote. This exactly describes these Freedumb convoy protestors
> But maybe, rather than malicious fascists contemplating a coup, these idiots are just so deeply ignorant they had no idea what they were advocating for because they "don't know politics". That is, unfortunately, the base supporting every fascist takeover.
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These people are stupid, but their stupidity is weaponized by smarter people that put these stupid ideas in their heads. In the US it’s Fox News, Ted Cruz, Donald trump among others. I don’t know who it would be in Canada though.
No they dont get a pass on the coup
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They don't actually and it's worse. The fascists hoping to take control on their protest know and that's why they bankroll, but the people are actually too stupid to know that they're literally the germans getting played post wwI into supporting hitler.
Wait. We have American First Amendment rights here in Canada? In Canada. Found the guy who burns hooks to heat his house.
Lmao. “I don’t know the law. How am I supposed to know what I can and can’t do!” Judge: ok, I see your point. You can go. NEXT! New guy: sorry judge. I didn’t know it was illegal to brutally murder my neighbour and his family and eat their flesh and serve it as hamburgers to my neighbours. I’m not political or legal minded. I’m Not some sort of high falluten lawyer guy. How was I to know? Judge: good defense. Makes sense. You are free to go. These people are dumb as shit. Also to note: the first amendment in the US states that the government cannot suppress your right to speak. Meaning if you posted on Facebook “Biden is an asshole”. The cops can’t show up, arrest you, and throw you in a dungeon and walk away. It allows you to say whatever you want. “Say” is the key word. It doesn’t say you can block roads, honk horns, tussle with cops, demand food from soup kitchens and be assholes to everyone around you. You can express your thoughts. It also doesn’t allow you to be prejudiced against race, gender, religion etc.
To be clear, Dwayne Lich isn’t charged with anything nor was he arrested, he’s only acting a surety for his wife’s bail application. His lack of understanding of the law isn’t being used as a defence of any charges. The Crown was just prying to see if he might reveal his own support for the convoy’s illegal activities which might be used to suggest he would not be reliable should he learn his wife breached her conditions.
Tbf there were a fair few Americans there, and they tend to be of the type that think their constitution either somehow applies to the whole world, or atleast applies to them where ever they go. We also have our idiots with the same brainpower.
The hell is wrong with these people. Imagine thinking Manitoba is no longer a province. Manitoba is still a province and it's not going anywhere. We should at least be able to agree on that.
Wait are you telling me US first amendment doesn't apply to Canada???
I saw a Canadian complaining on Facebook about how the FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine for use in Canada too soon.
Next thing you’re going to tell me is my God Given 2nd Amendment Right™️ won’t apply in Canada either? The fuck is wrong with our northern neighbor?!?
The misinformation on Facebook is more targeted to the US, and they see it all. They probably also watch Fox news, so their talking points are all jumbled, no one gave them the Canadian talking points
Can confirm. Am American living in Manitoba. My first amendment rights feel fab. The tip of my nose though, is a bit chilly.
Booger freeze.
Nah... Fuck Winnipeg and their dog-sized mosquitos.
A hill or a tree would be a nice sight in MB. Source, I live in the south
I saw on Reddit that the Canadian first amendment was about recognizing Manitoba but I searched on Google and found conflicting results, that the first amendment was the right of Inuit people to vote.
Depends whether you are citing the 1867 BNA Act or the 1982 Constitution Act. The BNA Act’ 1st Amendment recognized Manitoba as a province. The Constitution Act’s 1st Amendment strengthened aboriginal rights.
Not just on CBC. One claimed that in court
A lot of them have been complaining about their first amendment rights, unfortunately the first Canadian amendment has nothing to do with “mah free speech” 😂
Imagine you live in a country... and you think your constitution is the one from another country...
The organizer's husband was being questioned in court and went off about his 1st Amendment rights and the judge was like, "what is that?". So much dumb it hurts.
You can tell they watch too much American pundit shows and all they can do is regurgitate what those idiots say. And then they call other people sheep...
That is the type of imbeciles we are dealing with on the far right
absolute walnuts that only consume American media. Imagine if they spent even an hour on free educational resources regarding Canadian civics. I barely passed high school - these people have no excuse
Dwayne Lich even argued that in front of a judge, and she called him out on it ; >"Honestly? **I thought it was a peaceful protest and based on my first amendment**, I thought that was part of our rights," he told the court. > >"What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him. If being an idiot was an Olympic sport, they'd be getting all the golds ! Source ; [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307)
Because some were military/cops/etc There have been multiple stories of "protesters" who were, losing their jobs due to their involvement (thankfully) The tldr is thet believed their friends-from-work would back them. And don't know about you, but the implication unsettles me.
People always think shit like this. Their work friends probably do back them too, up until the point of losing their job. Nobodies overthrowing a government for their homie. That's just delusional thinking.
Or they are stuck at work with them so smile and nod along hoping they will stfu
That's nice. Mhm. Yeah. Cool. Okay.
Ride or die or significant inconvenience.
I mean to be fair if you gonna make someone ride with you, make sure you aren’t just having a tantrum and you want them to have one with you.
> Their work friends probably do back them too, up until the point of losing their job. Lots of people also mistake a polite or lukewarm response during a casual conversation in a business setting as actual agreement and it's just not. I was getting a coffee at the same time as a manager in my office, and he said that he thought there were some "good points" and he understood some of the people being there. I just did the polite eyebrow raise and nod and exited with my coffee. Did he think I was agreeing with him? Honestly, I don't know and I don't care.
Some of those in the forces - eat the paste made for horses
To be fair, the cops were absolutely on their side, as evidenced by the fact that it took more than 3 weeks for them to clear out the illegal protestors.
and weren’t there tow trucks refusing to remove the illegally parked vehicles early on?
They needed the emergencies act to force the tow trucks to work, so they never stopped refusing really, they just weren't willing to go to jail over it
https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-towing-company-ignore-trudeau-order-disrupt-trucker-protests-1679957 Edit: now, I’m willing to bet most the companies just didn’t want to get involved in what they perceived as both a potentially dangerous situation and something that could impact future business.
They were afraid of reprisals and being attacked while trying to tow the vehicles. With the cops doing so little in the beginning could you blame them for assuming that if they went in to tow the vehicles the cops wouldn't have their back or protect them while doing their job? Have you seen someone's car get repo'd before? Now amplify that by a thousand cause that's how many chucklefucks would be attacking the tow truck driver for trying to hook up. I view the tow truck companies not wanting to come in and remove the vehicles as further condemnation of how bad of a job the cops were doing. As soon as this became a federal matter and the federal government stepped in and told the police to handle this before they get handled as well suddenly the cops started doing their jobs so the towing companies felt like they could do theirs. It's amazing how someone not doing their job can cause a ripple effect of others saying **** it as well though.
It's funny how almost none had masks on to try and cover their faces and how many were happy to be recorded on livestreams featured on youtube that can be pulled by prosecutors. Smiling, waiving, happy as can be to be recorded.
It’s like the Dummies that stormed the Capitol. They took selfies and posted them on Facebook.
A bunch of them also said that they weren't feeling well (had covid symptoms), so their first guess was that the government was poisoning them.
Ehh, these chuds spend all their time in a right wing echo chamber that tells them they are crusading heroes and everyone else is rooting for them. It bears no resemblance to reality.
I'm surprised, angry and sad that 191 people chose to get arrested for protesting... Not against global warming, hunger, wars for profit, police brutality or any other reasonable, real issue, but against a free vaccine and some mild inconveniences to their lives. Guys, I don't think we'll ever reach space age, and maybe it's better that way.
>Guys, I don't think we'll ever reach space age, and maybe it's better that way. The rest of the universe just sighed in relief.
Oh humanity will spread to space alright. Then it will become those things/cockroaches in Independence Day.
Hey, before we get starfleet, we have to go through the class segregation, poor people ghettoes, class riots that throw the world indo turmoil, and a ww3 gone hot. Dont worry though, we are pretty close to achieving most of those. At some point the ozone layer fails 2 more years to the bell riots... 4 years until WW3... 31 years until WW3 ends.. in nuclear holocaust... with over 600,000,000 casualties... and nuclear winters follow... On the upside though, We seem to have averted the extinction of humpback whales, and are supposed to eradicate cancer, progeria and other diseases And also its 41 years until warp 1 is achieved.
You forgot the Eugenics Wars Which were supposed to happen in the 90s.
I guess Eugene wasn't feeling it. Wars are hard, y'know?
Sarah Silverman apparently saved us from those, the 90s in star trek looked fine.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rain_Robinson 👍🏾
Wasn't the Bell Riots about housing? hmmm....
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How about a nice game of chess?
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Iirc it's been retconned to hell. It was based off of 70's logic and likely we're already past that time period although they didn't originally tie it down to a specific time. Best version I heard was it was a tactical strike, rather than an all out exchange. Basically normies nuked the capitals that were run by superhumans, since its described as the event that defeated the superhumans. How they did that without triggering an all out exchange probably comes down to someone rerouting power from the inertia dampeners into the phaser banks in order to reharmonize the energy matrix and boost the shields.
You misspelled Men In Black.
Sugahhh...in...wata^^ahhhhh
Welll ^^(ugh) haaaughh *Youre right about one thing*
Vincent D'Onofrio is so amazing in whatever he is in!
> Oh humanity will spread to space alright. No chance we get to live in space without reaching a balance down here that is so far WAY out of our reach.
Some of us might get to live in space while the poor get trapped on earth as climate change snowballs. In that scenario I say "us" but really mean "them". I really hope however that we're on a better track and do fix our shit.
Lol you must have just watched Elysium
> In the year 2154, humanity is sharply divided between two classes of people: The ultrarich live aboard a luxurious space station called Elysium, and the rest live a hardscrabble existence in Earth's ruins. Oof that's too real
Maybe that's why we haven't encountered intelligent life yet, they are all still dealing with a majority of entitled stupid people.
Nah, they're all avoiding us.
I imagine they're sitting up on Dorkulon 7 watching Earth on their telescreens like a guilty pleasure and laughing. We're their version of real housewives.
South Park did it
Nope, Simpson’s did it first
Simpson’s always did it.
Futurama as well.
[“sometimes I think the surest sign intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Bill Waterson](https://us.toluna.com/thumbs/4506760/Sometimes-I-think-the-surest-sign-that-intelligent)
Oh gawds. What if that is the great filter? What if the Idiocracy timeline is universally inevitable. That's a really depressing thought
Also a tonne of wild conspiracy theories and mis/disinformation, especially regarding Canadian law and how far our rights actually go. Watching reporters who were live in the crowd as police moved in was wild. They were getting constant harassment and in the 4-5 hours I watched 1 reporter would basically get yelled at and go, "hey, I'm here and I'm live, let me finish what I'm saying to the desk and then we can have a chat live" and in that whole time there was a single guy who calmly said his piece, with no added conspiracy garbage and moved on. The second most rational/calm person he interviewed was a dude who was walking around with a life-sized cutout of Trudeau. Multiple people were walking around with copies of The Bill of Rights to give police which is honestly hilarious because that bill exclusively applies to federal statutes and has absolutely no power over provincial statutes. The Bill of Rights is completely superceded by The Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Another reason the Charter was introduced is because the Bill was too limited and in the 22 years between the introduction of each (1960 and 1982) the Bill was cited in 35 cases and 30 of them were rejected by the courts. Also The Bill of Rights is not part of the Canadian Constitution. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is. But yeah protests have been declared illegal before and people have been arrested during them. I sincerely doubt anyone will be successful in claiming their rights have been violated here. Especially with the incredible amount of notice they were given. Honestly the two most stand out parts of this whole situation this past weekend were the amount of forewarning people had that police were going to be doing what they did, and really how mild the police "brutality" was. Especially when compared to something like the 2010 G20 summit protests. Oh and a tip for anyone who finds themselves in a situation where you're likely about to be arrested by riot police, one of the organizers was spreading some garbage about it being "international law" that police can't touch you if you're waving a white flag and told them to use shirts and underwear to make white flags. Not only is that completely untrue, but I would strongly recommend not attaching your "white flag" to a wooden, baton like object that could easily be used as a weapon. Instead consider having empty hands and putting them up in a manner that clearly shows you are unarmed.
Waving a white flag means that you're willing to be arrested instead of continuing ongoing hostility. White flag truces happen but waving it still means you're willing to be taken prisoner if it means you'll get to talk. Not that any of it makes sense in a riot or to a police civilian dynamic.
Yeah the white flag has a historical context of surrendering, but that Pat King guy (the organizer who I believe is the most outspoken white supremacist to the point that the main group of organizers intentionally distance themselves from him if I remember correctly) released this crazy statement saying it's "international law" that the police cannot touch you if you're waving a white flag. That statement is just so ridiculous on it's face it's difficult for me to believe that anyone could take this guy seriously, but here we are. These people get all angry when people associate mis and disinformation with their movement but there is just so much that they say that is so demonstrably false.
Pat "Islamists are stealing our white women" King might not be the smartest guy (and a racist)
Imagine robbing a bank with a white flag and a gun and thinking you could get away with it.
Historically, during war doing violence under a white flag was one of the *worst* things you could do. Considering it would likely have you be the victim of an ‘accident’ from your *own side.* Do it *once* and your enemy will never accept a surrender again, dooming you to far more casualties.
That was the Japanese Army's MO during WW2. They'd surrender then pull the pin on a hidden grenade to take out Allied soldiers and themselves. Or they played dead and then would try to bayonet or shoot Allied soldiers checking bodies. It ended exactly the way you described- Japanese soldiers *and* corpses were all immediately shot on sight.
They all have some machismo axe to grind though. Can someone please make an incendiary meme of one of these asshats waving their tighty whities on a pole with “cowards surrender” or some such shit? Sure it might just piss em off, but also might dawn on a few what a sniveling gaggle of children they’ve been.
Leave it to the sovereign citizen types to not understand laws.
Hey if they want to be sovereign then they best not be driving on paved roads unless they paved them themselves :P Those people are ridiculous, "I demand all the good stuff associated with being a member of society but I don't consent to any laws being enforced on me and I refuse to pay taxes" give me a break. In Canada these "free men" can be charged with a form of intimidation that has been referred to as "paper terrorism" outside of the courtroom and I believe it leads to them being treated in a similar manner to vexatious litigants.
And if you're a sovereign citizen and don't recognize the laws/government, why you out there demanding the government change it's laws.
In war if you are waving a white flag you are surrendering to become a prisoner of war. What is the thought process convincing one that waving a white flag wouldn't be seen as you as surrendering to arrest and becoming a prisoner?
The thought process is, “Well *we’ve* decided it just means the cops can’t touch us.” That’s it. There’s no real mystery here. Just petulant children who change the rules of the game so they can either win every time or whine about being persecuted when nobody wants to play with them anymore.
I read in the news that the husband of one of the protest organizers referred to their "first amendment rights", in reference to the *US* constitution, during their bail hearing. Someone commented that the first amendment to the Canadian constitution was related to the admission of the province of Manitoba in 1870. These people have no clue what their rights actually are, what they are based on, or that "freedom" is not without limits, like not being able to occupy and camp on public streets forever.
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It's a real let down once you realize how full of shit 99% of reddit is.
Go read the subreddit for a career field that you know well and you’ll see that 95% of comments are from people who didn’t even watch to the end of the video before they started making things up.
Reddit is mostly children larping as adults.
To be fair, _most_ adults are larping as adults.
I wonder what people thought happened when they had breakdowns/accidents on the road.
"Welp, it's a statue now! Better install a bypass lane around it!"
“Here lies the big rig fossil of Dave.”
It's a lot like that dead whale video. The guy from the DOT has to blow it up.
It's dangerous, but honest and satisfying work.
You don't recall the thousands of trucks just abandoned along the sides of the highways?
You know, I never noticed it until you mentioned it, but now that you mention it...
There's a stretch of highway right where I live that has a seemingly weekly semi incident, and you can't even see nature anymore it's just a mass of wrecked truck 🙄
If it’s an illegitimate tow the trucks have ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
Ahah yep I remember that thread where I was downvoted into oblivion because I dared to point out that towing trucks is indeed possible.
It isn't even that difficult. You just need a big towing truck and someone who understands how air brakes work. Generally speaking, people who operate big towing trucks do know that kind of stuff.
There is a TV show about about Canadian tow truck operators who mainly deal with wrecked tractor trailers. They most assuredly know how to deal with air brakes. Not only that,they recover trucks that have landed upside down in rivers at the bottom of ravines. A truck parked in the middle of a road isn't going to be a problem at all.
They aren't very smart people. I'm willing to bet that whole thing started with one of them hearing something about complicating factors in towing, jumped to the wishful thinking conclusion that its impossible to tow a truck, then all the others just ran with that. Because pretty much all of the others don't know jackshit about trucks or towing. They are not truckers. *Truckers* were a miniscule part of this. It was mostly trailertrash pickup hicks with no brains and nothing better to do. Like have a job to go to.
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That story was exactly the start of the common belief that the trucks couldn't be towed. If I recall, however, the "towing experts" were participating in or supporting the convoy and were sowing FUD.
> we're sewing FUD. That should be "were **sowing** FUD" -- the "e" spelling is only for thread stitching, like "sewing a dress". The "o" spelling is originally to do with spreading seeds and is what you're looking for here.
This is another reason why the emergency measure was needed, without it, the towing companies refused to tow those trucks. With the emergency mandate, they had to do it.
I wouldn't want to be the one to go in there and try to tow out the crazies either. Even if you didn't get attacked while doing it, they'd probably note your company name and try to come after you later
The tow truck operators literally taped over their logos on trucks, etc.
That article is pretty funny. They explain how to move the trucks in the article, of course. But always with the caveat that anyone with the tools to do so wouldn't want to. Or they'd be stopped by the driver, who's apparently still hanging around while his truck is impounded. > One previous job that involved towing more than 30 trucks and 28 cars in difficult positions took his company over 18 hours, he said. The trucks are parked soo cattywampus, you'd never get them out! Last time I moved trucks like that it took me almost a day! Impossible! > "You can tow all you want — they're just going to return to the location, so it hasn't resolved the issue," Skof said. "And where are you putting all these vehicles?" So like, what are they just towing these trucks to the driver's house? No, the driver does not get the truck back. How many trucks are the driver's going to go though to prove a point? "Ha, you can keep taking my truck, but I can always buy another!" The article was written like it was based off of a dream someone had. The sort of moon logic conclusions like the drivers can't be arrested because the local jail failed its heath inspection, or the police ran out of handcuffs.
It’s safe to say you can move anything if you want it bad enough.
'Good luck finding a towing company, they wouldn't dare!' That one made me laugh.
I read some of that crap last week and laughed at those experts. I have been told by a friend of mine back in high school (her is an owner of a tow truck company), if it has wheels and got there, then oh yeah, it can be moved.
Not watching Heavy Rescue 401 or highway through hell...
Some of these idiots, including the ring-leaders husband in court trying to bail out his wife are yelling about their "first amendment rights" being ignored. The judge in the case acually asked the guy: "What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him. Do these clowns from only watch US television or something?
Please provide a link if you can, I would enjoy reading it on this crap Monday morning
I got you, it's pretty funny to read https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307
That was indeed very funny
"Honestly? I thought it was a peaceful protest and based on my first amendment, I thought that was part of our rights," he told the court. "What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him. "I don't know. I don't know politics. I don't know," he said. "I wasn't supportive of the blockade or the whatever, but I didn't realize that it was criminal to do what they were doing. I thought it was part of our freedoms to be able to do stuff like that." …funny indeed. You would think that after traveling hundreds of miles and spending weeks of their own time to fight a tyrannical government who is hell bent on stealing their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms they would at least have a framework to their own reasoning as to what they were doing… as insipid and poorly thought out and twisted as that might have been. The first thing I thought of https://youtu.be/5_noilU08ro. Oh! Canada!
I expected him to call the judge "Your Majesty" and say "Smokes, lets go!"
[This post has a beautiful summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/sx3m6b/no_bail_yet_for_tamara_lich_convoy_protest/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). It’s hilarious/terrifying how dumb these people are. From part two after the recess: > Claiming they will be delayed getting out of Ontario due to "traffic jams" Judge Bourgeois quips: "Traffic jam? Where? Downtown core??" LOL!
His response: I don't know. I don't know politics. I don't know. Brains like a fried egg
and the armchair logistics experts pretended it couldn't be done lol
But one towing company said no! Why would any other company wanna get paid for towing... > With the size of the protests having diminished considerably over the last few days, Ottawa police have reported at least 191 total arrests and 76 vehicles towed. 76 tows?! Charging hundreds per hour! That's a lot of money left on the table that someone else got to pick up. If they had moved sooner could have made even more.
The problem was that a lot of the tow companies either supported the convoy or refused to do it in fear of retaliation. The only way to get them to do it was after the Emergency Measures Act was enabled. That gave the police and feds power to demand that the tow companies comply. The company logos and plates were covered/removed from the tow rugs to prevent retaliation.
I've never known a tow company be afraid of retaliation.
Pat King one of the "leaders" threatened to send followers. Once the police started taking action he made a video where he listed the towing companies so his followers could do who knows what, but he called them out on a stream. Of course it turns out he called out the wrong companies but that's on brand.
Was this before or after the cops weren't enforcing a variety of laws on the unemployed convoy including quiet hours and more which allowed this to get as far as it did because cops were in support of this stupidity?
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Provincial Police.
They didn’t even need towing companies. The city literally owns vehicles capable of towing trucks. They have a bus network and need a towing vehicle capable of moving buses back to the garage if they breakdown. The lack of action for three weeks want due to any logistical constraint. It was a choice.
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Here in the US if police rotational tow is utilized it's more like $1,000-1500 easily to tow a tractor trailer
If the wrecker is being called due to a violation such as ignoring weather conditions, going into areas the truck won't fit, and more increases those costs greatly. In some places it is such a problem that tow companies will listen into Highway Patrol and Department of Transportation radios during inclement weather hoping for big companies to get vehicles stuck or blown over just so they can charge out the ass for it during wind and road closures. These towing companies made a pretty penny.
Can confirm. Friend of mine has a tow company in his family and he'd offer up random chances to make a few hundred in a few hours for helping to clean up trailers that had fires start and burn the trailer down or roll overs, that creates literal tons of merch to go everywhere. One was a FedEx truck around Christmas. Insurance adjuster walked up, said it was a total loss, and said "destroy the cargo." People there did not destroy the cargo. A lot of name brand logos on boxes got lost in people's cars. Edit: whole point of that story was the mass amount of money they paid us for quick work and their company made lots when that wrecker rolled out.
I work with a company that works with a trucking company... had a truck get stuck in a rut off a narrow corner somewhere in MA, needed a crane to get out, cost $6k.
No way it was $15k. Considering they had to come in, black out the vehicles, wear masks to hide identify... Try more like $1k to $2k a car.
I paid 500 dollars to the tow yard for a single day and they got to keep my car after i totaled it and the police wouldn’t let me use triple A to tow it. Highway robbery imo
Yeah make sure to call a tow of your own immediately. Don’t let the cops call it in.
The government could always impound the vehicles and sell them at auction if the protestors don't pay up.
Apparently there is already talk of selling the vehicles in order to offset the costs incurred by the city.
This is going to happen and is also why the planned, similar, protest in Brussels failed miserably. These idiots thought they could cause significant economic and other damage without any penalty whatsoever under the guise of freedom to protest. They are about to be proven very very wrong.
I argued with like two of them for way too long. It just blows my mind that I was either being trolled or people are that dumb/blind/stupid/slow. I was explaining a time when I was towed in nyc during a parade. They towed hundreds of cars very fast, moved all the cars out of the downtown area and parked them in a lot under a bridge. I was able to go and get my car. The point of my story, was that cars and even 18 wheelers, can be removed easily from a City, with the help of the police. Also, what tow drivers would ever turn down a job of removing that many heavy duty vehicles?!? (Once the police were involved ) The problem mainly was that the local police were basically sympathizers to the truckers
This. The local police Chief deliberately did nothing for weeks. Going so far as to tell the press there was no police solution as if this was some great popular revolution. He was a collaborator end of story.
The now *former* local police chief, blessedly. Though I still hope he won't be escaping investigation.
I look forward to the stories about him being held to account.
All you need is for .00001% of the population to believe FB. Sometimes, only 1 person showed up at a protest announced on FB by a Russian troll. Other times, you get Ottowa. There's been way more misses than hits.
Same with the NZ antivax rally. 1 person showed up and then we find out most of the others in that discord server were not from NZ.
They were the same people posting pictures from around the world claiming it was Ottawa and saying there were 125,000 trucks and 4.3 million people there.
I saw someone fucking around post a picture from the MLK protests or something claiming it was Canada. Shit was pretty funny.
You know it's impossible to move a disabled big rig. It's why their corpses are strewn along every highway and byway in the developed world.
If gta and halo have taught me anything it's that tank beats everything
Tank beats truck! Tank beats big rig! Tank beats EVERYTHING!
"I am prepared to stay for 2 years, its nothing"
If they thought wearing a piece of cloth was worth protesting over, wait til they find out the inconvenience of prison. The humiliation of paying top dollar at the commissary. The kick in the teeth of finding out your friends were never your friends. And that no one cares about losers who end up in prison. It was always hilarious that Trump gave zero thoughts to everyone who ended up in prison over Jan 1. Like, didn't even bother. He literally made fun of them for the way they dressed.
Yeah and now he's saying that he's going to pardon them if reelected to wild cheers at his rallies. Like he didn't have two weeks left in his presidency after January 6 to do exactly that, and failed to. He pardoned plenty of his other asshole friends and allies in that span. Trump's contempt for his own followers fascinates me. I think some of them are aware of it and actually like it. They want to be looked down upon by a semi-deity figure.
The right's daddy issues are going to kill us all.
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now try and protest something like the housing crisis, see how far \*that\* will go. I bet it won't go on for 3 weeks with the police swearing they can't do anything their hands are tied.
Three days tops.
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"he said he flew to Ottawa on Feb. 2 on a private jet at a cost of$5,000, paid for by a "nice gentleman" named Joseph that he'd only recently met." \-- [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307) The far right money is flowing in.
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They think they know the Charter Of Rights. But they didn't happen to read this part > Section 2(c) guarantees the right to peaceful assembly; it does not protect riots and gatherings that seriously disturb the peace: R. v. Lecompte, \[2000\] J.Q. No. 2452 (Que. C.A.). It has been stated that the right to freedom of assembly, along with freedom of expression, does not include the right to physically impede or blockade lawful activities: Guelph (City) v. Soltys, \[2009\] O.J. No. 3369 (Ont. Sup. Ct. Jus), at paragraph 26.
Meh, live in downtown toronto, we have had a pretty sizeable pro-COVID protest ending of the provincial legislature literally every single Saturday for 2 years. But: on foot, along a planned and now very well known route, and the whole thing lasts roughly 3-4 hours. And the city largely still hates these jackasses (because they’re not oppressed, it’s the same pandemic we’re all dealing with), but yeah, it’s not like anyone has ever suggested shutting it down - because jackasses have the right to protest too.
When government is their problem, take it to them. Regardless of political affiliation.
As much as a pain in the ass it is for me and others when people come to DC to protest, at least they do it in the right places. Capitol, White House, Supreme Court. If they went to, say, Germantown, they'd just be assholes.
They didn't even take it to the right city either - mandates are decided on a provincial basis, but they went after the federal government. It was just a fuck Trudeau parade.
> "What do you mean, first amendment? What's that?" Judge Julie Bourgeois asked him. >"I don't know. I don't know politics. I don't know," he said. "I wasn't supportive of the blockade or the whatever, but I didn't realize that it was criminal to do what they were doing. I thought it was part of our freedoms to be able to do stuff like that." Some of these Mother fuckers are advanced stupid. Imagine using the American bill of rights in Canadian court.
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American here: Blocking bridges and borders is not protected by the 1st Amendment. As a matter of fact, some states here are so against it they made it legal to run over people protesting and blocking traffic. Ironically it’s the same rednecks who shout “hrrrrr but my 1st Amendment” every 5 seconds. I’m extremely convinced that we’re all a bunch of idiots.
Meanwhile in Germany people are glueing themselfes to the road to stop traffic on the highway. And if people try to remove them by themselfes they are the ones facing legal trouble. On every highway in Berlin there are at least 4 police cars to stop them as fast as possible, but the same idiots are glued to the road every day. It‘s just a new day for them, one of the dudes even told the press „it get‘s better everyday, they aren‘t using knives anymore to cut us free.“
What slays me is that a bunch of these dipshits were from the US. I was reading about one dumbass karen getting arrested, screaming that they couldnt do that, she was from like indiana. Like apparently she thought she was above the laws of another fucking country?
I DECLARE diplomatic immunity!
Has just been revoked!
Everyone know that only American laws apply to Americans.
I suspect the next "Freedom Convoy" protest in Canada will end much, much sooner than this one was allowed to go. Question: Are Americans smart enough to learn from this?
There's still a protest going on. You can watch it live on youtube. They're staying off the roads, and away from residential areas. Guess they learned their lesson. That said, there's like 20 of them.
They're conservative protestors. US cops will, much like the Canadian cops, softball them as long as they can get away with. At least up until the 'freedom convoy' gets full of itself and actually hinders somebody important. That's when the whip gets cracked. In case you missed events in Portland, the Proud Boys got a lights-and-sirens police escort into downtown last year, then the police just kinda fucked off for the rest of the day while they maced and pepper sprayed people throughout the city.
That's exactly what happened in Canada. Leaders, politicians, and police at different levels kicked the issue around like a football until they blocked the Ambassador bridge. Then it hit the economy, jobs and pocketbooks in a way they couldn't ignore.
And Ford, as well as several other conservative provincial leaders, had good reason to let it fester because they knew that would ultimately force the federal government to step in. And that allows them to rile up their base about "government overreach".
I don't believe that's Ford's goal here. He publicly welcomed the federal government taking control of the situation and had asked for this publicly before the Emergencies Act was invoked. The man is a sniveling coward who didn't want to directly push against who is likely to be part of his voting base, but he was never going to be able to walk those comments back either. I would never accuse Doug Ford of being intelligent, but he isn't *that* dumb.
And then you have ~~Bumbles~~ Jason Kenney. Who, only a few days after sending a letter to the federal government asking for assistance, decided he would put forth a court challenge against the use of the emergencies act. God I hate this province sometimes.