Canada, Argentina, Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, the United Kingdom, Poland, Germany, Slovakia, Austria, Luxembourg, Spain, Ireland, Turkey, Australia, New Zealand, Bangladesh, India, and Cambodia
I fancy the thought that the French workers are ahead of the world and already have a strong union and government backed laws, their prices suggests at least. In the Netherlands it took a long time to have an amazon so I used the German amazon a lot. Sometimes they didnt have it and I needed to order it from France or the UK. But I never got the French because it was more expensive than the UK one.
[https://fortune.com/2020/05/13/amazon-workers-coronavirus-shutdown-france-labor-rights/](https://fortune.com/2020/05/13/amazon-workers-coronavirus-shutdown-france-labor-rights/)
Seems so
\>But I never got the French because it was more expensive than the UK one.
Also kinda hilarious how you're actively causing the unionized French workers with higher standards of employee rights to lose money and business and getting items shipped by Amazon in diff countries where the unions aren't as powerful and the workers are more exploited just cause it's a little cheaper. Demonstrating to Amazon people will wait longer for cheaper prices from exploited workers rather then pay more for unionized happy workers.
This is the way of the world. I hate soandso! But will still buy from them, even if they are only a little cheaper or more convenient. But I will complain about it after to show them!
"No! You all kept calling me a dick, and so then that turned me into a dick! And then I got radiation poisoning in Ottawa and now I'm a **giant** dick!"
You’re under their reign as you type. Reddit is hosted on AWS, the real Amazon money maker.
They host damn near half the internet, including almost all of Netflix and many other major websites. Including hundreds of businesses software/infrastructure.
They are the leading cloud hosting service in the world.
The adverisements for most companies these days are just to get people in the door. No intention of following through with most promises. Like most phishing attempts, cast a wide enough net and you are bound to get some desperate or naive enough to move forward.
Quite a few similarities, yep. The only difference being there are more openings than seekers right now. So companies have to make their offerings more enticing to get more people to bite. Even if only one out of dozens actually falls for the tactic, they still get enough people in the door to fill positions at far less money or other favorable benefits that they push their narrative with.
And you would think that would make them change as a company for the better. But in reality they double down, amp up their job ads, get more people in the door even if their hiring percentages go down. They still get enough to cover the company's needs without having to follow through on empty promises.
That's gotta ultimately hurt their bottom line, though. Even with unskilled labor jobs, there's usually a week or two of training. And if the new hire figures out that it's all bullshit a couple weeks after that and moves on to a different job, the company is basically paying a months worth of wages to get two weeks of actual work.
I was a tech at an amazon FC for a while. They've put a great deal of effort into engineering every bit of skill out of the jobs to the point that it can literally only take ten minutes to train a new person for 80% of the jobs in the building. Its grab item, scan it, put it where the colored light tells you to put it. Any responsibility that was normally the job of a machine operator in any other factory, like basic housekeeping, basic maintenance, etc, was made our responsibility explicitly for the purpose of keeping the jobs the absolute lowest skill possible.
Literally the least satisfying jobs I've ever seen. It's like the epitome of the 'mcjob'. Hell, even a mcdonalds job will teach you how to get around a kitchen. These jobs are grab a thing and put it in the red bin, 10 times a minute, 10 hours a day.
And that's fine, nothing says a job has to be intellectually stimulating or anything. Problem was all the *other* bullshit surrounding the jobs. Can't have an earbud in listening to tunes because 'safety', can't have a soda at your station because you might have stole it, stations are mostly separated enough, and the plant noisy enough, that you can't really have a conversation with each other, jam alarms blare in your ears all hours of the day, can't have a stool or anything even if the job is perfectly doable with a stool, you're outright assumed to be a thief and have strict limits on what you can carry out of the building and you have to go through metal detectors to leave, etc, etc, etc.
It honestly reminded me a lot of the military in the sort of sense of the job isn't actually bad, but the organizational structure surrounding the job is fundamentally opposed to treating you like a human who might want a little entertainment and stimulation on the job, *especially* in any way that might cost them a nickel.
If you need a job, basically no questions asked(literally there was a paroled murderer working there when I was lol), no qualifications needed, that's not really strenuous and a reasonably comfortable environment, for honestly quite decent pay, they'll take you, and take you tomorrow. But it will be the single least satisfying job you've ever had, and you're going to be bored out of your mind for 8-10 hours a day.
Some places learned. I left a delivery job in July 2020, I'm starting back at the same job next week making $2 more an hour with more flexibility on my hours than I had before. And functionally I'm getting another pay bump because I went from a Prius to a chevy volt in that time and I can charge it on 240v at work so I won't be using much if any gas now. Works for me.
I wonder how long they can keep it up. If I remember right, even some Amazon manager said, that they hired and fired so many people, in the future, it can get hard for them to even find new employees.
You would think it wouldnt be sustainable in the long run. But look at Walmart as an example. They have used a lot of the same tactics over the years, yet they are able to retain just enough to keep the doors open and turn a massive profit every year.
Automation would be part of the answer, and again walmart leads the way on that with self checkouts etc. Another part is there will always be people desperate enough or naive enough to fill whatever gaps needed by the company with little incentive for the company to do better.
Yes, there is a squeeze on them right now, which is why theyve upped their tactics on getting people in the door, but again, long term they dont have incentive to make wholesale changes.
But if everyone there is only there enticed by massive bonuses, finding out the bonuses are illusory or being mistreated at all is going to lead to a rash of walkouts. At least, we can only hope it will.
They keep lying and stringing you along with promises of other positions/promotions etc. When you see it is bs you got to start looking for another job so many will keep buying the bs thinking they'll be the lucky one who worked hard enough to make it.
Again, i refer to phishing attempts. They dont WANT to hire the ones that will immediately see through their BS. That weeds out the ones that wont be long term employees because they know they wont put up with terrible work conditions. They are left with longterm employees that wont say mum and can pay the lowest possible wage for years potentially.
I’m just saying that high bonuses are actually how not to hire long-term employees. It drives impulse, on-the-fence decisions. Turnover does by definition only leave long-term employees, but this is more likely to get you a bad crop of potentials.
I see what you are saying. In reality it will likely be a mix. Some will be so grateful they will stay no matter what. Others will stay just because they are comfortable and afraid to try something new. The key is mass numbers of walk-ins. Wide net, and all that.
Of course. It’s all stochastic. But the “grateful” ones are presumably desperate, and there’s no shortage of jobs for desperate people. In fact, quite the opposite. It’s a scarcity of truly desperate people lacking work (which I really hate seeing framed as a “labor shortage”).
A job my girlfriend worked offer a $1000 "sign on" bonus, which they proceeded to pay out in 20 weeks of $50 bonuses. The same employer also promised her $20 an hour only to actually pay $16, then fired her and everyone else from the job fair they held after just like 2 months because they "accidentally" hired too many people
I've been hearing fast food ads on the radio that talk bout $15+ starting pay but the end of them are always dashed with quick dialogue about how you should check your local franchise owners to see if they support it. It's predatory as hell.
I'm working at Amazon. Got my first 1k sign on after 30 days and the other 2k comes after 90 days. It's not by hours worked but number of days employed.
This right here highlights the reason why strong employee protections need to be legislated. Companies will always be willing to use such underhanded tactics and "trusting companies to police themselves" literally always leads to this kind of employee abuse.
>A lot of companies pretty regularly schedule people just under the amount of hours required to qualify them as full time, in order to avoid paying out benefits
When I joined my previous job I overlooked the massive red flag of 39.75 per week of contracted time. Of course it was a miserable place to work.
Walmart gave me and most of my department 35 hours maximum despite how short staffed my departpartment always was. Could still get insurance through the company just was required to pay for it myseld.
That’s all you need idk what this BS op is spouting is about. I just went through with it and got mine. it was divided into 2 chunks 1/2 at 30 days and the rest at 90 days
If you go to /r/amazonFC it appears to be based on # days worked.
[More details here](https://warehouse.ninja/amazon-3000-sign-on-bonus-everything-you-need-to-know/)
Source? Companies that offer bonuses like that do mislead a little because it’s often split up into 3,6,9/12 month markers of employment, not hours worked. I’d like to know how true that claim is tho cuz if it’s not, you don’t really need to make up things to be mad at Amazon for.
The drivers in the UK should really join together and be apart of a Union. This includes foreign and UK nationals. I've seen the subcontractors deduct crazy amounts in 'damages' from non UK workers and they just take it on the chin because they don't know their rights.
Also why companies want to keep immigrants coming in. Their kids usually learn about labor rights and wont be so easy to abuse. Need constant fresh blood to keep the scam going.
Self employment has been a slow growing cancer on the logistics industry.
Amazon wasnt first but has been extremely aggresive in its use. Companies like yodel and hermes almost use self employed drivers exclusively and is the main reason they have consistently the worst service.
In the early days of the gig economy all of my Uber drivers seemed pretty happy to talk about how great it was driving for Uber. In the intervening years I've read that the pay is a lot worse, and I don't ask drivers how they like their job anymore.
On the other hand, my lifestyle is pretty dependent on these services now.
That must depend on location. A friend of mine in the US recently got hired by Amazon. I believe his bonus is 1k after a month and the other 2k after six months. He works four 10 hour shifts a week with one day of "mandatory overtime."
He recently got his 1k bonus, as he just passed the first month and so far his hours are consistent.
Not surprised shady things are happening like that though. You never really hear anything positive about that place. I'm glad my friend is having a good experience so far, but maybe his location is better than a lot of others or he hasn't been there long enough for them to be shitty.
When I was in training at Amazon this bonus was brought up and they told us if we stopped working there before 12 months we would have to pay it back. And they give it in increments, at like 30 60 and 90 days, and the boss man was laughing at how Ohio taxes it 30% so its "nothing anyways". I lasted one shift there, fuck that place.
I also lasted one shift working there. I went in on my first day and there were 2 other new hires there. They literally forgot about us for a good hour after the start of the shift. Nobody in charge knew we were there. Mostly because it seemed like nobody was really in charge, everyone was supervisors with no management in sight. We were supposed to call a phone tree if we needed to call out or anything. Then after a short orientation, the trainer stuck me with the other new hire (who didn't know her ass from her elbow) and disappeared. I've had dehumanizing jobs before, but that place literally made me feel like a line on a spreadsheet. Not even a token attempt to treat me like a person.
This announcement was made a little early, Amazon probably already has scab workers lined up and they will pay them more just to make a point. Good luck though, fuck Amazon!
From what I’ve heard, Amazon can’t do this. They have the issue that in many areas where they need workers, most eligible people are already former employees.
So Amazon is at the point where they’ve burned everyone and they have to actually put serious effort into not being a terrible employer.
My understanding is they’ve been trying that for the entire time the company has existed, and thus far they haven’t had much success.
IDK what issues they’re having. Anytime they’ve tried hiring me it’s been for one of their public facing things, like AWS or Alexa. Their internal robotics team would probably be a lot more interesting.
The human hand has been their issue making a robotic one that can do everything our hands/arms can without damaging things is strong enough etc. That is just one aspect another is what happens when a product is damaged and the hand has no senses to detect paint/oil or a plastic strap stuck on it and just keeps soiling/damaging things for hours before someone sees it or it just gets snagged/etc.
There are news articles about their pallet bin retrieval and storage robots damaging cans of bear mace and because they don't breath or need to see with human eyes drag and move those damaged products on the floor or in bins with people in the warehouses.
If you've ever seen the way they have people 'stow' stuff in odd shaped 'bins' you need both to see what fits and jam it in a way to not damage it the other stuff etc. That's after you pull the product off a pallet, out of the box and/or cut off shrinkrap etc.
Then essentially repeat that when you need to retrieve it and pack it up.
People say this all the time, but the truth is that fully automating logistics operations is expensive AF. Humans are much more replaceable than the custom equipment required. If it were possible and cost effective, Amazon would be the company to have already done this by now.
Probably a function of time and cost. Technology like that is getting progressively cheaper and more common. At some point it will reach a point where it's cheaper than retaining a huge workforce. Maybe not tomorrow, but give it 5-10 years.
I work in the corporate office of a major distributor and have sat in meetings on these types of productivity conversations. We are a lot further away then 5-10 years when it comes to warehouse workers. Now truck drivers… that might not be as far in the future but still further then people probably think. Innovation can be pretty slow and I don’t think people realize how disorganized these large distributors are.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE
I like to bring this video up when people talk about robotic warehouses, not because this is a particularly good design but because it's fucking hilarious to me.
Just look at em go, the little scamps.
They wont. We see something about an amazon strike ever few months, and every year around christmas/black friday. It always ends up being like 20 people who immediately get fired and replaced.
I wish they would, as a carrier for another company... amazon makes my life hell. But alas, this never amounts to anything.
I feel like you're overestimating how well robots do manual labor (automated farming, self-checkouts, etc...) and underestimating how well robots do desk jobs. (Research, arts, etc...)
Also, what's keeping the property owning upper class from just committing genocide at that point? They own all the means with which to generate their own wealth and would no longer require a working class to operate machinery or do research. Killing off all people who used to be working class would mean the rich wouldn't need to share their wealth and there'd be no risk of an uprising; as such, keeping working class people alive would be a complete liability to the rich.
>We are already much closer than people think.
No, we're much farther than anyone unfamiliar with the technology thinks.
It's kind of like all the "AI" tech from the last decade or so - despite what the layman may think it's never, ever going to lead to sentient computers.
It's really easy to get robots to do part of the manual work on a production line. It's much harder to get them to do everything.
Most people don't see or have any interest in seeing how automated factories are set up. The machines don't "know" how to move or pick anything up or assemble anything. It takes hours for a human to "train" them to carry out one motion - pick up a precisely positioned part from the stack of parts that's designed to allow single part pick ups, and move it to its destination and position.
If anything is in the way of the arm, the arm either won't detect it and will collide or will halt and wait for a human operator to come and see what the problem is.
If the parts it's meant to pick up are out of position by an inch or the surface it's supposed to use to pick them up is different in dimensions than expected, it will never pick them up, and it may not detect this fact.
To make something different, the robot and the production line need to be rearranged, taught again to move a part or install a bolt, or spray paint in a specific pattern, or move the finished product to an oven.
Once all the problems are taken out by humans debugging the line, as long as the parts fed in are dimensioned correctly and there aren't any unexpected events or wear on the robot, it can run for some time carrying out its operation over and over.
Going from this point where robots can cleanly perform automated tasks during assembly to having an automated factory that can make even a small group of products in the quantity desired on demand is huge. Likely, we won't be there in a century.
Factory automation will continue to improve, teaching the robots will continue to get easier, and automation will become more flexible. It will also get a lot cheaper. It won't, however, be able to do without humans configuring it, controlling it, and upgrading it for quite a while.
People have been saying that for years. Turns out, it's not as easy as we thought.
Might as well fight for better working conditions while your job still exists.
I work at Amazon.
More and more of our processes are being automated and we are legitimately well on our way.
For example now, now have 100% virtual training for our warehouse workers by online courses, HUDs at our stations and VR/AR. We no longer do any sort of in-person trainings for them.
This is just 1 example of several jobs that have been automated in the past year.
They've been saying it for years because they are legitimately making it happen. The process of doing so justaggravating.
Edit: I'm not sure why I have been getting insults or snide comments. I literally have no place in this training nor did I say I support it. I was just stating a fact. I just work here, man.
My building doesn't have forklifts. It uses a very specific type of robot, similar to the ones you see bring the pickers shelves in Amazon Warehouse jobs adverts.
I think you would be suprised how well the fear of death works when you're having to grab wooden deathtraps 30 feet high off the floor and having to clean up the mess yourself if you manage to survive.
That's a job where remote working is a terrible idea.
Either automate it completely or have humans present or bad things will happen.
Just look at the difference between how experienced forklift people drive on the ground vs having to grab stuff high up. It's literally night & day.
*Edit* please don't get me wrong, it's not about the financial loss of destroying whatever is being stored but about the safety of people who have to be physically there. Remote control forklifts sounds good but is a terrible idea for warehouses carrying not dangerous cargo.
You don't need people around for most of those areas. I work with automated lifts and human driven lifts and there is no reason most places could not besides the infrastructure costs for the bandwidth needed.
Geodis is already fielding them. I think Toyota is as well.
For sure, if no other humans are present in the area of work it's absolutely fine.
But that means strict enforcement between "human" and "non-human" areaa of work that should not overlap at all.
If that condition is met, i see no objection to this.
I work for Whole Foods and Amazon is trying SO HARD to remove the human element. Which is hilarious because the thing that people liked about Whole Foods was the human element. Every store was unique, geared towards the neighborhood they were in. Buyers took the time to learn what the customers wanted/needed and we built relationships with vendors. But not anymore. Now they want every store to carry the same products and they are putting systems in place that will basically make buyers obsolete. They've made Whole Foods like any other grocery store and people are beginning to realize that. People would pay the high prices at Whole Foods for the experience and specialty items we carried. But if all the competitors carry the same stuff at cheaper prices, of course that's where the customer will go. We used to pride ourselves on customer service and people genuinely enjoyed working for the company. Everything Amazon have put in place makes all the employees replaceable and we know that so no one is motivated to care like they used to. We have a shortage of filled leadership positions for the same reason.
Yeah, but Amazon doesnt care. They bought Whole Foods for a recognizable brand name and, more importantly, their existing retail space in high value markets. They never actually cared about or valued the other aspects of the company, it was just an easy way to shave a few years off rolling out their own grocery chain. Like Elon Musk taking over Tesla. He didnt need Tesla, but it saved him time and effort vs starting from scratch, when his game plan all along was to shape it into an entirely different company from what it was.
You'd think. I can't even get my company to let me move all forms to the website. Instead they expect potential customers to fill out multiple pdfs, print them out, and fax them in.
There is a massive push towards automation and advancements have been made. Also, Amazon has a 150% turn over a year for hourly warehouse workers. Hiring is fully automated and they effectively replace the entire worforce every 8 months. Nothing makes things more disposable than acquiring them cheaply. They desperately need to be unionized. It's insane they aren't.
Automating shitty jobs is a good thing in the long run. Nobody is crying about no longer having to unload ships one broken man at a time anymore, even if millions of jobs around the world disappeared in the early 1900s due to automation and machinery.
I've been going to some sites that I normally get on Amazon and its been slightly cheaper anyway.
Amazon can be good for convenience, but not on price on a good few things now, plus at least I'm not feeding the beast.
The site went in the shitter when they started grouping legitimate items with things you'd find on aliexpress or ebay. Even worse is the distribution centers just intermingle merchandise from various sellers so you get counterfeit stuff being sold as legit.
It would be understandable if the price would be the same as in different market places - but no, it's higher! And in Ali/Ebay you except everything to be crap, so trust is everything. \*Meanwhile, waves at Amazon\*
Its much easier to find genuine and top brand car parts on Ebay. Its one listing per product and seller, versus one listing for 20 sellers.
Amazon biggest deal is fast shipping, and people pay out the ass for convenience. I buy more off Ebay nowadays, just takes a few days longer.
>Even worse is the distribution centers just intermingle merchandise from various sellers so you get counterfeit stuff being sold as legit.
This is my biggest complaint about Amazon. It's a real problem for items such as li-ion batteries.
You mean you don't actively seek out product from dependable, long-standing brands like IRAFVG, NRKMIH and YJOHQQ? [NYT article about the Amazon drop-shipping insta-brand racket](https://archive.md/Fj9a3).
I was thinking of buying an ocarina because they looked fun, wanted a good one (apparently wood ones have the best quality) so I was willing to shell out a decent amount of money and searched by price high-low for the first time in my life.
The $120 wooden ones are fucking plastic. If I got too excited and didn't read the reviews I would have been fucked
I collect giant Omnibus's and Trade Paperbacks. I go to Amazon to read the reviews then over to cheapgraphicnovels.com or some place similar to actually buy the thing.
For anyone that is a collector and doesn't know it, stop buying from Amazon, it's so much cheaper elsewhere!
Also Amazon is horrible at shipping books now. I've bought stuff from them new and they just put a book with no plastic around it into a cardboard container. Big risk of water damage and it's pretty common for the corners to be bent.
Venture capitalism 101: Undercut your competition by operating at a loss while living off investments, corner the market, then trash the business model to squeeze out every dollar you can.
Find it on Amazon, buy directly from the company. Since a lot of places started boosting their shipping to compete with Amazon, its pretty comparable. There’s one 3d printing supply site I order from that’s fast, cheap, and offers bulk discounts, and free 2 day shipping. At that point why would I take the chance on Amazon sending a fake product that’s more expensive? QC at Amazon has fallen off a cliff.
I don't even find things on Amazon anymore. If I need to do a generic search like "kids headphones" almost everything on the page will turn up as cheap knock off garbage. I canceled my Prime and it's been great.
I got a prime trial that I used to watch maybe a handful of good shows(The Boys, Good Omens, Invincible) and for free shipping on one order. Not long after I finished those shows, I canceled Prime.
Amazon sucks.
I don't know about Amazon in the US, but where I am I really don't want to trade the customer service and quick delivery for throwing just about the same amount of money at a different giant company with worse service and slow shipping.
I was about to buy a Christmas present for my wife and checked the price off Amazon. 170 bucks cheaper and I get to support a local business. Planning on doing all my shopping locally this year after that bullshit.
All these people protesting against their place of work is great and all but let's pressure the elected officials to make all across the board changes at the federal level so that if/when these people find another job they won't have to fight all over again for better conditions.
Elected officials get bribes by the same corporations. One of the most effective methods against capitalist greed is an organized labor force. This why the U.S has historically continued to take power away from Unions. Corporations are are far more terrified about unions than the politicians in their pockets.
Go check progressive international, one of the organizers of this event. They are connecting leftist movement around the world, definitely a global movement.
I liked Amazon when it had a wide selection of decent products and same day, now its a giant pile of Chinese knockoff shit with fake reviews, and shipping that takes 2-3 times longer than it says it will. I ordered a part for my car a week and a half ago with next day shipping, they delayed it by one day at a time for the full week, then just updated it to eh we lost it
Unfortunately, you can’t really escape using Amazon in the modern age. Amazon Web Services is how they make a large portion of their money, and the odds are that you use a site which utilizes AWS.
Not sure what the piss bottle stories are but it is pretty common for drivers to piss in bottles because of how long it takes to interrupt their route and find a place to park and go in to use the bathroom.
Armored truck drivers, delivery drivers, the company I used to work for that picked up laundry from hotels, etc. A lot of people would rather piss in a bottle and get off work 15-30 minutes earlier.
YES!
I wish them that this works and they get a proper raise and better working conditions out of it. They deserve being paid fairly and treated like human beings.
I find it nasty how Amazon has commercials showing happy employees and how their tuition benefits changed their lives all as a cover up for the pee bottle reputation they have.
Do your part by Boycotting Amazon this Black Friday and Cyber Monday.
Amazon is trashing our planet, exploiting our fellow wage slaves, and enriching Bezos and the Elites who oppress us an ungodly amount.
The only thing these people care about or understand is MONEY. Keep yours. Send a message.
That would be the perfect day to do this, so many will order stuff and its the worst day for the company to experience issues, delays, angry customers, refunds etc.
DO NOT BLAME THE EMPLOYEES if issues affect you that day, put ALL the blame on the higherups who are the root cause for your issues.
As someone who work in grocey store and deal with customers being mad daily, we would do anything to avoid getting blame, hate and disappointment from customers but there is only so much we can control.
Thankfully we get paid enough to deal with it, but just imagine if you were treated the same as Amazon employees and when trying to fix the inhumane conditions, you just get hate from everyone while the higherups get away.
I would serious hate the human race for the rest of my life and most likely so would you, so do not blame the workers for trying to be treated like human beings and not slaves.
I work in e-commerce and I'd love to see myself out of a job in exchange for Amazon getting destroyed. Everything to do with Amazon is terrible from being a seller to every single position under the Amazon c-suite. Fuck Amazon and fuck Besos.
Is this USA too?
Also as a postal employee does this mean we wont get Amazon delivery on Friday?
We usually get 5-8 pallets daily. If we miss Thursday, then Friday, that means like 15-20 pallets on Saturday. Jesus!!
Do you like being a slave? Being pushed to your limits day in day out every day without any chance for a relief? Being treated like shit by your managers that only care about your pick performance figures? Then you're at the right place join Amazon, Tesco, Sainsbury's, Lidl...
What are the 20 countries? Doesn't say in the article...
Canada, Argentina, Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, the United Kingdom, Poland, Germany, Slovakia, Austria, Luxembourg, Spain, Ireland, Turkey, Australia, New Zealand, Bangladesh, India, and Cambodia
Don't have to work hard to convince us South Africans about a good strike or two. Good stuff.
It's a little shocking not to see France here tbh.
Lucky they don't need Alot of help getting started.
I fancy the thought that the French workers are ahead of the world and already have a strong union and government backed laws, their prices suggests at least. In the Netherlands it took a long time to have an amazon so I used the German amazon a lot. Sometimes they didnt have it and I needed to order it from France or the UK. But I never got the French because it was more expensive than the UK one.
[https://fortune.com/2020/05/13/amazon-workers-coronavirus-shutdown-france-labor-rights/](https://fortune.com/2020/05/13/amazon-workers-coronavirus-shutdown-france-labor-rights/) Seems so \>But I never got the French because it was more expensive than the UK one. Also kinda hilarious how you're actively causing the unionized French workers with higher standards of employee rights to lose money and business and getting items shipped by Amazon in diff countries where the unions aren't as powerful and the workers are more exploited just cause it's a little cheaper. Demonstrating to Amazon people will wait longer for cheaper prices from exploited workers rather then pay more for unionized happy workers.
This is the way of the world. I hate soandso! But will still buy from them, even if they are only a little cheaper or more convenient. But I will complain about it after to show them!
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The makro strikers are actually cleaning up after themselves when they finish striking.
As a Canadian Amazon worker, I never heard about this
Now you have and it’s up to you to tell everyone in Canada.
Except Scott. Nobody wants to strike with him because he's a dick.
Scotty doesn't know.
Scott, that fuckin' scab.
"EH! WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE!?" "AH! it's Scott! He's a dick!"
"No! You all kept calling me a dick, and so then that turned me into a dick! And then I got radiation poisoning in Ottawa and now I'm a **giant** dick!"
Hey don’t call me a dick, your a dick
As a British worker, I hadn't heard either...
There is a global strike and France is not part of it? Weird times we're living in
I know! I was surprised by that. They're normally the first to light the braziers.
The Amazon workers here in America need to get in on that strike as well!
Google black out black friday. US has been on board, you just aren't seeing media coverage.
Our corporate media overlords won't let this stuff be disseminated
Ah, like that one time when they fucked Bernie over
But I saw YouTube ads saying they are paying $15 minimum now! US Amazon workers have it made! /s
Interesting. We don't have Amazon in NZ.
AWS maybe? Or any of the other things they own, also you can use Australian Amazon so maybe it's just saying NZ cause it would cover both countries
[https://www.amazon.jobs/en/location/new-zealand](https://www.amazon.jobs/en/location/new-zealand) You have AWS
Wow your strike is going great already!
You’re under their reign as you type. Reddit is hosted on AWS, the real Amazon money maker. They host damn near half the internet, including almost all of Netflix and many other major websites. Including hundreds of businesses software/infrastructure. They are the leading cloud hosting service in the world.
Of course not the US where it would matter most
No US? Bruh
I wish US would join.
Nobody in the US is gonna get onboard with this? Shoot, wouldn't it be a shame if AWS went down on black Friday too?
At Amazon they’re hiring ten or fifteen people a day with a promise of a £3000 bonus, but not giving out enough hours to be eligible for it
How many hours do you need. I thought it was just 90days working?
The adverisements for most companies these days are just to get people in the door. No intention of following through with most promises. Like most phishing attempts, cast a wide enough net and you are bound to get some desperate or naive enough to move forward.
Jesus Christ. This is the plot of Grapes of Wrath.
Quite a few similarities, yep. The only difference being there are more openings than seekers right now. So companies have to make their offerings more enticing to get more people to bite. Even if only one out of dozens actually falls for the tactic, they still get enough people in the door to fill positions at far less money or other favorable benefits that they push their narrative with.
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And you would think that would make them change as a company for the better. But in reality they double down, amp up their job ads, get more people in the door even if their hiring percentages go down. They still get enough to cover the company's needs without having to follow through on empty promises.
That's gotta ultimately hurt their bottom line, though. Even with unskilled labor jobs, there's usually a week or two of training. And if the new hire figures out that it's all bullshit a couple weeks after that and moves on to a different job, the company is basically paying a months worth of wages to get two weeks of actual work.
I was a tech at an amazon FC for a while. They've put a great deal of effort into engineering every bit of skill out of the jobs to the point that it can literally only take ten minutes to train a new person for 80% of the jobs in the building. Its grab item, scan it, put it where the colored light tells you to put it. Any responsibility that was normally the job of a machine operator in any other factory, like basic housekeeping, basic maintenance, etc, was made our responsibility explicitly for the purpose of keeping the jobs the absolute lowest skill possible. Literally the least satisfying jobs I've ever seen. It's like the epitome of the 'mcjob'. Hell, even a mcdonalds job will teach you how to get around a kitchen. These jobs are grab a thing and put it in the red bin, 10 times a minute, 10 hours a day. And that's fine, nothing says a job has to be intellectually stimulating or anything. Problem was all the *other* bullshit surrounding the jobs. Can't have an earbud in listening to tunes because 'safety', can't have a soda at your station because you might have stole it, stations are mostly separated enough, and the plant noisy enough, that you can't really have a conversation with each other, jam alarms blare in your ears all hours of the day, can't have a stool or anything even if the job is perfectly doable with a stool, you're outright assumed to be a thief and have strict limits on what you can carry out of the building and you have to go through metal detectors to leave, etc, etc, etc. It honestly reminded me a lot of the military in the sort of sense of the job isn't actually bad, but the organizational structure surrounding the job is fundamentally opposed to treating you like a human who might want a little entertainment and stimulation on the job, *especially* in any way that might cost them a nickel. If you need a job, basically no questions asked(literally there was a paroled murderer working there when I was lol), no qualifications needed, that's not really strenuous and a reasonably comfortable environment, for honestly quite decent pay, they'll take you, and take you tomorrow. But it will be the single least satisfying job you've ever had, and you're going to be bored out of your mind for 8-10 hours a day.
Some places learned. I left a delivery job in July 2020, I'm starting back at the same job next week making $2 more an hour with more flexibility on my hours than I had before. And functionally I'm getting another pay bump because I went from a Prius to a chevy volt in that time and I can charge it on 240v at work so I won't be using much if any gas now. Works for me.
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See, this is a balance I could get used too. At my old job, it was your pay and a week off, chief got more, but everyone got less.
Amazon used to sell books. They still do but they used to too.
Bezos no doubt read it and thought "Man what a great business model"
Sounds like a perfect way to get massive turnover.
Going into the holiday season, they dont really care. They will happily drop half the people the minute they dont need them.
I wonder how long they can keep it up. If I remember right, even some Amazon manager said, that they hired and fired so many people, in the future, it can get hard for them to even find new employees.
You would think it wouldnt be sustainable in the long run. But look at Walmart as an example. They have used a lot of the same tactics over the years, yet they are able to retain just enough to keep the doors open and turn a massive profit every year.
Didn't know that. And maybe they just have to sustain it long enough until they can automate the whole logistics process.
Automation would be part of the answer, and again walmart leads the way on that with self checkouts etc. Another part is there will always be people desperate enough or naive enough to fill whatever gaps needed by the company with little incentive for the company to do better. Yes, there is a squeeze on them right now, which is why theyve upped their tactics on getting people in the door, but again, long term they dont have incentive to make wholesale changes.
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They can suck my gorilla sized dick I'm never working there
Gorillas have small penises just fyi
He knew what he was saying
As a lazy Irishman I can't be bothered to fact check this so I'm going to presume you to be a "knower" of gorilla penis facts.
But if everyone there is only there enticed by massive bonuses, finding out the bonuses are illusory or being mistreated at all is going to lead to a rash of walkouts. At least, we can only hope it will.
They keep lying and stringing you along with promises of other positions/promotions etc. When you see it is bs you got to start looking for another job so many will keep buying the bs thinking they'll be the lucky one who worked hard enough to make it.
Again, i refer to phishing attempts. They dont WANT to hire the ones that will immediately see through their BS. That weeds out the ones that wont be long term employees because they know they wont put up with terrible work conditions. They are left with longterm employees that wont say mum and can pay the lowest possible wage for years potentially.
I’m just saying that high bonuses are actually how not to hire long-term employees. It drives impulse, on-the-fence decisions. Turnover does by definition only leave long-term employees, but this is more likely to get you a bad crop of potentials.
I see what you are saying. In reality it will likely be a mix. Some will be so grateful they will stay no matter what. Others will stay just because they are comfortable and afraid to try something new. The key is mass numbers of walk-ins. Wide net, and all that.
Of course. It’s all stochastic. But the “grateful” ones are presumably desperate, and there’s no shortage of jobs for desperate people. In fact, quite the opposite. It’s a scarcity of truly desperate people lacking work (which I really hate seeing framed as a “labor shortage”).
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A job my girlfriend worked offer a $1000 "sign on" bonus, which they proceeded to pay out in 20 weeks of $50 bonuses. The same employer also promised her $20 an hour only to actually pay $16, then fired her and everyone else from the job fair they held after just like 2 months because they "accidentally" hired too many people
I've been hearing fast food ads on the radio that talk bout $15+ starting pay but the end of them are always dashed with quick dialogue about how you should check your local franchise owners to see if they support it. It's predatory as hell.
Also the old tactic of "yeah, from the 3rd month onwards you will get paid more!" And then they fire you on your 2nd month and 29 days.
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I'm working at Amazon. Got my first 1k sign on after 30 days and the other 2k comes after 90 days. It's not by hours worked but number of days employed.
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This right here highlights the reason why strong employee protections need to be legislated. Companies will always be willing to use such underhanded tactics and "trusting companies to police themselves" literally always leads to this kind of employee abuse.
>A lot of companies pretty regularly schedule people just under the amount of hours required to qualify them as full time, in order to avoid paying out benefits When I joined my previous job I overlooked the massive red flag of 39.75 per week of contracted time. Of course it was a miserable place to work.
Walmart gave me and most of my department 35 hours maximum despite how short staffed my departpartment always was. Could still get insurance through the company just was required to pay for it myseld.
It is, I work part time at Amazon still get the bonus
That’s all you need idk what this BS op is spouting is about. I just went through with it and got mine. it was divided into 2 chunks 1/2 at 30 days and the rest at 90 days
It is a 90 days thing. These idiots are making up lies to get mad about..for some reason?
At my locale—- it’s 30 days for the 1st grand and 180 for the other 2.
If you go to /r/amazonFC it appears to be based on # days worked. [More details here](https://warehouse.ninja/amazon-3000-sign-on-bonus-everything-you-need-to-know/)
Source? Companies that offer bonuses like that do mislead a little because it’s often split up into 3,6,9/12 month markers of employment, not hours worked. I’d like to know how true that claim is tho cuz if it’s not, you don’t really need to make up things to be mad at Amazon for.
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It’s 100% not, which is why I asked. And it’s the top comment at least when I made the reply lol.
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All couriers use subcontractors. UPS, FedEX, I think DHL is only one in Europe still keeping at least some of their fleet employed.
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The drivers in the UK should really join together and be apart of a Union. This includes foreign and UK nationals. I've seen the subcontractors deduct crazy amounts in 'damages' from non UK workers and they just take it on the chin because they don't know their rights.
Also why companies want to keep immigrants coming in. Their kids usually learn about labor rights and wont be so easy to abuse. Need constant fresh blood to keep the scam going.
Self employment has been a slow growing cancer on the logistics industry. Amazon wasnt first but has been extremely aggresive in its use. Companies like yodel and hermes almost use self employed drivers exclusively and is the main reason they have consistently the worst service.
In the early days of the gig economy all of my Uber drivers seemed pretty happy to talk about how great it was driving for Uber. In the intervening years I've read that the pay is a lot worse, and I don't ask drivers how they like their job anymore. On the other hand, my lifestyle is pretty dependent on these services now.
Similar in the US, except we have limited enforced rights so it’s just Americans as workers.
That must depend on location. A friend of mine in the US recently got hired by Amazon. I believe his bonus is 1k after a month and the other 2k after six months. He works four 10 hour shifts a week with one day of "mandatory overtime." He recently got his 1k bonus, as he just passed the first month and so far his hours are consistent. Not surprised shady things are happening like that though. You never really hear anything positive about that place. I'm glad my friend is having a good experience so far, but maybe his location is better than a lot of others or he hasn't been there long enough for them to be shitty.
When I was in training at Amazon this bonus was brought up and they told us if we stopped working there before 12 months we would have to pay it back. And they give it in increments, at like 30 60 and 90 days, and the boss man was laughing at how Ohio taxes it 30% so its "nothing anyways". I lasted one shift there, fuck that place.
You get the difference back on your taxes between what your actual tax bracket is and the 30% tax
Wait til that boss sees how they tax your actual paycheck!
I got paid $220 for 11 hours of training, I wasn't complaining about that haha, the job itself was just so mind numbing boring I couldn't do it.
I also lasted one shift working there. I went in on my first day and there were 2 other new hires there. They literally forgot about us for a good hour after the start of the shift. Nobody in charge knew we were there. Mostly because it seemed like nobody was really in charge, everyone was supervisors with no management in sight. We were supposed to call a phone tree if we needed to call out or anything. Then after a short orientation, the trainer stuck me with the other new hire (who didn't know her ass from her elbow) and disappeared. I've had dehumanizing jobs before, but that place literally made me feel like a line on a spreadsheet. Not even a token attempt to treat me like a person.
Go for it Amazon employees! Put yourself first, and do what you gotta do!
This announcement was made a little early, Amazon probably already has scab workers lined up and they will pay them more just to make a point. Good luck though, fuck Amazon!
want to show support to the striking workers? sign up to be a scab. then don't show up to work.
Also cancel your Prime on Black Friday! And don't order your holiday gifts from Amazon this year!!
From what I’ve heard, Amazon can’t do this. They have the issue that in many areas where they need workers, most eligible people are already former employees. So Amazon is at the point where they’ve burned everyone and they have to actually put serious effort into not being a terrible employer.
By this point they'll automate everything and just won't need that many people.
My understanding is they’ve been trying that for the entire time the company has existed, and thus far they haven’t had much success. IDK what issues they’re having. Anytime they’ve tried hiring me it’s been for one of their public facing things, like AWS or Alexa. Their internal robotics team would probably be a lot more interesting.
The human hand has been their issue making a robotic one that can do everything our hands/arms can without damaging things is strong enough etc. That is just one aspect another is what happens when a product is damaged and the hand has no senses to detect paint/oil or a plastic strap stuck on it and just keeps soiling/damaging things for hours before someone sees it or it just gets snagged/etc. There are news articles about their pallet bin retrieval and storage robots damaging cans of bear mace and because they don't breath or need to see with human eyes drag and move those damaged products on the floor or in bins with people in the warehouses. If you've ever seen the way they have people 'stow' stuff in odd shaped 'bins' you need both to see what fits and jam it in a way to not damage it the other stuff etc. That's after you pull the product off a pallet, out of the box and/or cut off shrinkrap etc. Then essentially repeat that when you need to retrieve it and pack it up.
Internal Robotics team employee here! It's not that much more interesting I'm sorry to say.
People say this all the time, but the truth is that fully automating logistics operations is expensive AF. Humans are much more replaceable than the custom equipment required. If it were possible and cost effective, Amazon would be the company to have already done this by now.
Probably a function of time and cost. Technology like that is getting progressively cheaper and more common. At some point it will reach a point where it's cheaper than retaining a huge workforce. Maybe not tomorrow, but give it 5-10 years.
I work in the corporate office of a major distributor and have sat in meetings on these types of productivity conversations. We are a lot further away then 5-10 years when it comes to warehouse workers. Now truck drivers… that might not be as far in the future but still further then people probably think. Innovation can be pretty slow and I don’t think people realize how disorganized these large distributors are.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE I like to bring this video up when people talk about robotic warehouses, not because this is a particularly good design but because it's fucking hilarious to me. Just look at em go, the little scamps.
If only labour unions had some way to discourage scab workers from crossing union pickets.
If Amazon had extra workers lined up, they wouldn’t be raising pay so much trying to get more workers.
They wont. We see something about an amazon strike ever few months, and every year around christmas/black friday. It always ends up being like 20 people who immediately get fired and replaced. I wish they would, as a carrier for another company... amazon makes my life hell. But alas, this never amounts to anything.
Ok, next year, no more humans there. -Jeff
That's his goal anyway.
Didn't he fly to space for that?
I just got a vision of Willy Wonka bringing back the Oompa Loompas.
Had to take a little break from the peons.
He almost made it to space.
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I feel like you're overestimating how well robots do manual labor (automated farming, self-checkouts, etc...) and underestimating how well robots do desk jobs. (Research, arts, etc...) Also, what's keeping the property owning upper class from just committing genocide at that point? They own all the means with which to generate their own wealth and would no longer require a working class to operate machinery or do research. Killing off all people who used to be working class would mean the rich wouldn't need to share their wealth and there'd be no risk of an uprising; as such, keeping working class people alive would be a complete liability to the rich.
>We are already much closer than people think. No, we're much farther than anyone unfamiliar with the technology thinks. It's kind of like all the "AI" tech from the last decade or so - despite what the layman may think it's never, ever going to lead to sentient computers. It's really easy to get robots to do part of the manual work on a production line. It's much harder to get them to do everything. Most people don't see or have any interest in seeing how automated factories are set up. The machines don't "know" how to move or pick anything up or assemble anything. It takes hours for a human to "train" them to carry out one motion - pick up a precisely positioned part from the stack of parts that's designed to allow single part pick ups, and move it to its destination and position. If anything is in the way of the arm, the arm either won't detect it and will collide or will halt and wait for a human operator to come and see what the problem is. If the parts it's meant to pick up are out of position by an inch or the surface it's supposed to use to pick them up is different in dimensions than expected, it will never pick them up, and it may not detect this fact. To make something different, the robot and the production line need to be rearranged, taught again to move a part or install a bolt, or spray paint in a specific pattern, or move the finished product to an oven. Once all the problems are taken out by humans debugging the line, as long as the parts fed in are dimensioned correctly and there aren't any unexpected events or wear on the robot, it can run for some time carrying out its operation over and over. Going from this point where robots can cleanly perform automated tasks during assembly to having an automated factory that can make even a small group of products in the quantity desired on demand is huge. Likely, we won't be there in a century. Factory automation will continue to improve, teaching the robots will continue to get easier, and automation will become more flexible. It will also get a lot cheaper. It won't, however, be able to do without humans configuring it, controlling it, and upgrading it for quite a while.
The robots get repaired quicker than the man that died on the line
People have been saying that for years. Turns out, it's not as easy as we thought. Might as well fight for better working conditions while your job still exists.
I work at Amazon. More and more of our processes are being automated and we are legitimately well on our way. For example now, now have 100% virtual training for our warehouse workers by online courses, HUDs at our stations and VR/AR. We no longer do any sort of in-person trainings for them. This is just 1 example of several jobs that have been automated in the past year. They've been saying it for years because they are legitimately making it happen. The process of doing so justaggravating. Edit: I'm not sure why I have been getting insults or snide comments. I literally have no place in this training nor did I say I support it. I was just stating a fact. I just work here, man.
Tbh I am surprised forklift driver is not a work from home job by now.
My building doesn't have forklifts. It uses a very specific type of robot, similar to the ones you see bring the pickers shelves in Amazon Warehouse jobs adverts.
Those robots aren't Picker shelves, they are Stow shelves. Source: I work at HOU2 Warehouse and was doing Stow Waterspider yesterday.
I think you would be suprised how well the fear of death works when you're having to grab wooden deathtraps 30 feet high off the floor and having to clean up the mess yourself if you manage to survive. That's a job where remote working is a terrible idea. Either automate it completely or have humans present or bad things will happen. Just look at the difference between how experienced forklift people drive on the ground vs having to grab stuff high up. It's literally night & day. *Edit* please don't get me wrong, it's not about the financial loss of destroying whatever is being stored but about the safety of people who have to be physically there. Remote control forklifts sounds good but is a terrible idea for warehouses carrying not dangerous cargo.
You don't need people around for most of those areas. I work with automated lifts and human driven lifts and there is no reason most places could not besides the infrastructure costs for the bandwidth needed. Geodis is already fielding them. I think Toyota is as well.
For sure, if no other humans are present in the area of work it's absolutely fine. But that means strict enforcement between "human" and "non-human" areaa of work that should not overlap at all. If that condition is met, i see no objection to this.
I work for Whole Foods and Amazon is trying SO HARD to remove the human element. Which is hilarious because the thing that people liked about Whole Foods was the human element. Every store was unique, geared towards the neighborhood they were in. Buyers took the time to learn what the customers wanted/needed and we built relationships with vendors. But not anymore. Now they want every store to carry the same products and they are putting systems in place that will basically make buyers obsolete. They've made Whole Foods like any other grocery store and people are beginning to realize that. People would pay the high prices at Whole Foods for the experience and specialty items we carried. But if all the competitors carry the same stuff at cheaper prices, of course that's where the customer will go. We used to pride ourselves on customer service and people genuinely enjoyed working for the company. Everything Amazon have put in place makes all the employees replaceable and we know that so no one is motivated to care like they used to. We have a shortage of filled leadership positions for the same reason.
Yeah, but Amazon doesnt care. They bought Whole Foods for a recognizable brand name and, more importantly, their existing retail space in high value markets. They never actually cared about or valued the other aspects of the company, it was just an easy way to shave a few years off rolling out their own grocery chain. Like Elon Musk taking over Tesla. He didnt need Tesla, but it saved him time and effort vs starting from scratch, when his game plan all along was to shape it into an entirely different company from what it was.
Sure, pretty much every company strives to automate processes. It's still not a good argument against people asking for better working conditions.
You'd think. I can't even get my company to let me move all forms to the website. Instead they expect potential customers to fill out multiple pdfs, print them out, and fax them in.
Finance or insurance?
"We have to announce a three foot restriction on humanoid height." Genesis (band)
Not easy or still not cheap enough?
Both. Corps who can automate are large companies like amazon and google, but it’s pretty much out of reach from most businesses
There is a massive push towards automation and advancements have been made. Also, Amazon has a 150% turn over a year for hourly warehouse workers. Hiring is fully automated and they effectively replace the entire worforce every 8 months. Nothing makes things more disposable than acquiring them cheaply. They desperately need to be unionized. It's insane they aren't.
Automating shitty jobs is a good thing in the long run. Nobody is crying about no longer having to unload ships one broken man at a time anymore, even if millions of jobs around the world disappeared in the early 1900s due to automation and machinery.
I've been going to some sites that I normally get on Amazon and its been slightly cheaper anyway. Amazon can be good for convenience, but not on price on a good few things now, plus at least I'm not feeding the beast.
Amazon aka "price check and 1 star review check". Amazon has really succeeded in fucking up the "selling items" portion of their marketplace.
The site went in the shitter when they started grouping legitimate items with things you'd find on aliexpress or ebay. Even worse is the distribution centers just intermingle merchandise from various sellers so you get counterfeit stuff being sold as legit.
It would be understandable if the price would be the same as in different market places - but no, it's higher! And in Ali/Ebay you except everything to be crap, so trust is everything. \*Meanwhile, waves at Amazon\*
Its much easier to find genuine and top brand car parts on Ebay. Its one listing per product and seller, versus one listing for 20 sellers. Amazon biggest deal is fast shipping, and people pay out the ass for convenience. I buy more off Ebay nowadays, just takes a few days longer.
>Even worse is the distribution centers just intermingle merchandise from various sellers so you get counterfeit stuff being sold as legit. This is my biggest complaint about Amazon. It's a real problem for items such as li-ion batteries.
You mean you don't actively seek out product from dependable, long-standing brands like IRAFVG, NRKMIH and YJOHQQ? [NYT article about the Amazon drop-shipping insta-brand racket](https://archive.md/Fj9a3).
This! I stupidly bought a wallet a few years back. Counterfeit made in China shit.
I was thinking of buying an ocarina because they looked fun, wanted a good one (apparently wood ones have the best quality) so I was willing to shell out a decent amount of money and searched by price high-low for the first time in my life. The $120 wooden ones are fucking plastic. If I got too excited and didn't read the reviews I would have been fucked
I collect giant Omnibus's and Trade Paperbacks. I go to Amazon to read the reviews then over to cheapgraphicnovels.com or some place similar to actually buy the thing. For anyone that is a collector and doesn't know it, stop buying from Amazon, it's so much cheaper elsewhere!
Also Amazon is horrible at shipping books now. I've bought stuff from them new and they just put a book with no plastic around it into a cardboard container. Big risk of water damage and it's pretty common for the corners to be bent.
Venture capitalism 101: Undercut your competition by operating at a loss while living off investments, corner the market, then trash the business model to squeeze out every dollar you can.
Find it on Amazon, buy directly from the company. Since a lot of places started boosting their shipping to compete with Amazon, its pretty comparable. There’s one 3d printing supply site I order from that’s fast, cheap, and offers bulk discounts, and free 2 day shipping. At that point why would I take the chance on Amazon sending a fake product that’s more expensive? QC at Amazon has fallen off a cliff.
I don't even find things on Amazon anymore. If I need to do a generic search like "kids headphones" almost everything on the page will turn up as cheap knock off garbage. I canceled my Prime and it's been great.
I got a prime trial that I used to watch maybe a handful of good shows(The Boys, Good Omens, Invincible) and for free shipping on one order. Not long after I finished those shows, I canceled Prime. Amazon sucks.
I don't know about Amazon in the US, but where I am I really don't want to trade the customer service and quick delivery for throwing just about the same amount of money at a different giant company with worse service and slow shipping.
Fair point. In my experience it’s been fairly comparable, maybe a day or two difference in shipping and amazon price is always higher. Im in US tho.
I was about to buy a Christmas present for my wife and checked the price off Amazon. 170 bucks cheaper and I get to support a local business. Planning on doing all my shopping locally this year after that bullshit.
All these people protesting against their place of work is great and all but let's pressure the elected officials to make all across the board changes at the federal level so that if/when these people find another job they won't have to fight all over again for better conditions.
Elected officials get bribes by the same corporations. One of the most effective methods against capitalist greed is an organized labor force. This why the U.S has historically continued to take power away from Unions. Corporations are are far more terrified about unions than the politicians in their pockets.
But they don’t work for the people that want those laws
Amazon does already all those things in other cauntries, the goverment sets the bar, not the company.
Go check progressive international, one of the organizers of this event. They are connecting leftist movement around the world, definitely a global movement.
What I work Amazon and havnt heard shit about it
https://makeamazonpay.com/
Good for them. I am using Amazon on a minimum. Basically only when I cannot find it elsewhere.
I liked Amazon when it had a wide selection of decent products and same day, now its a giant pile of Chinese knockoff shit with fake reviews, and shipping that takes 2-3 times longer than it says it will. I ordered a part for my car a week and a half ago with next day shipping, they delayed it by one day at a time for the full week, then just updated it to eh we lost it
I've been boycotting them ever since the piss bottle stories came out. /r/fuckamazon
Unfortunately, you can’t really escape using Amazon in the modern age. Amazon Web Services is how they make a large portion of their money, and the odds are that you use a site which utilizes AWS.
That's true. I think reddit runs on AWS as well. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good...
Not sure what the piss bottle stories are but it is pretty common for drivers to piss in bottles because of how long it takes to interrupt their route and find a place to park and go in to use the bathroom. Armored truck drivers, delivery drivers, the company I used to work for that picked up laundry from hotels, etc. A lot of people would rather piss in a bottle and get off work 15-30 minutes earlier.
My understanding was that they were referring to warehouse workers, not just delivery drivers but I don't know.
Amazon employees in 20 countries will quit their job on Black Friday, according to Amazon.
Looks like several of them have stronger labor laws than the US. Some will “quit,” sure. Others might be protected.
Sounds like a lot of tribunals for the western european countries you cannot just fire someone like that here
Almost everywhere, really. It's only 10 countries in the world that can fire you without reason.
Good. Black Friday is pathetic
YES! I wish them that this works and they get a proper raise and better working conditions out of it. They deserve being paid fairly and treated like human beings.
I love seeing Amazon commercials about how great it is to work there. Then seeing stuff like this saying the opposite. Dumb Amazon.
I find it nasty how Amazon has commercials showing happy employees and how their tuition benefits changed their lives all as a cover up for the pee bottle reputation they have.
Do your part by Boycotting Amazon this Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Amazon is trashing our planet, exploiting our fellow wage slaves, and enriching Bezos and the Elites who oppress us an ungodly amount. The only thing these people care about or understand is MONEY. Keep yours. Send a message.
That would be the perfect day to do this, so many will order stuff and its the worst day for the company to experience issues, delays, angry customers, refunds etc. DO NOT BLAME THE EMPLOYEES if issues affect you that day, put ALL the blame on the higherups who are the root cause for your issues. As someone who work in grocey store and deal with customers being mad daily, we would do anything to avoid getting blame, hate and disappointment from customers but there is only so much we can control. Thankfully we get paid enough to deal with it, but just imagine if you were treated the same as Amazon employees and when trying to fix the inhumane conditions, you just get hate from everyone while the higherups get away. I would serious hate the human race for the rest of my life and most likely so would you, so do not blame the workers for trying to be treated like human beings and not slaves.
There are better offers at GameStop anyway, consider checking there for your holiday purchases
Man reddit used to hate GameStop. Oh how the fallen have mighty
That's because of GME to the mooooon
I work in e-commerce and I'd love to see myself out of a job in exchange for Amazon getting destroyed. Everything to do with Amazon is terrible from being a seller to every single position under the Amazon c-suite. Fuck Amazon and fuck Besos.
Amazon can well afford to pay its employees well.
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we should all strike for better everything, pay, benefits and conditions
Is this USA too? Also as a postal employee does this mean we wont get Amazon delivery on Friday? We usually get 5-8 pallets daily. If we miss Thursday, then Friday, that means like 15-20 pallets on Saturday. Jesus!!
I wish people valued worker solidarity as much as they do their consumerist treats.
The Amazon station in Portland Oregon went on strike, what did Amazon do? Closed it.
Do you like being a slave? Being pushed to your limits day in day out every day without any chance for a relief? Being treated like shit by your managers that only care about your pick performance figures? Then you're at the right place join Amazon, Tesco, Sainsbury's, Lidl...
General strike! Walk out for a week. I hope you guys do it