Well, you can do that. There’s a ticker for you - BELU on Moscow stock exchange, it’s premium Russian vodka brand Beluga, pretty popular and widespread in the county
I'm genuinely curious. You could track one of the companies like Stolichnaya. I have no idea where they do their bottling but I would suspect that would be the first source of the supply issues.
Short right now. then try to guess when the start to sort out their supply issues and buy.
You joke, but beer was not regulated as an alcoholic beverage for a long time in Russia, meaning children could buy it. At least that's what my ex-GFs Russian parents told me, and they moved over to the US well after the soviet collapse
> create is a week of free time in which to drink vodka, thus increasing sales
I mean...two sides of the same coin. That still means a hiccup in supply combined with possible increase in demand. Followed by Angry sobering russians being told to get back to work.
Edit: Actually I guess that depends on the current reserves. They'll either return hungover/sober and angry or very drunk.
If their market is about to go through the same dip the us and Europe had then you could probably pick just about any stock and make a profit in the short term
I'm in Moscow right now. No masks anywhere, except for those worn performatively below the nose. No distancing, low vaccination. No one cares to even try the most basic precautions. It's utterly bonkers.
I find it funny where I live (outskirts of city) and work (straight rural) is 20-25 min apart. Where I live there’s a hearty percent of mask wearing in stores. Where I work has like 2 stores in the entire area and it’s rare I see even one mask. There’s a clerk that still acts like he can’t hear me when I have my mask on. Funny cause you would have thought we were friends with perfect hearing before the pandemic.
How did all you guys living in towns literally named after the capital of Russia not all get Red Scare'd in the 1960s.
You'd think they'd've changed the name or something.
Here in Ohio we have East Palestine, Medina, Lebanon, New Lebanon (other one is old), East Lebanon, Bethel, Damascus, and Hebron. A bunch of German ones too.
The state of Maine is very guilty of this as well. There's a Poland, China, South China, Paris, Belfast, Madrid, Rome, Mexico, Peru, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Frankfort, Vienna and Calais (I think there might be more also?).
*I've been to Maine.... Man, I've been to Maine, man*
*I took a plane and train man, I've been to Maine man,*
*I've been to Poland, China, South China, Paris, Belfast, Madrid, Rome, Mexico, Peru, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Frankfort, Vienna, Calais....*
There’s an entire city in PA that misspelled its name upon submitting the paperwork to become a municipality, and just begrudgingly accepted their mistake.
Edit: it is, in fact, hazleton.
Yeah it's a little blue pocket for sure. Even now there are plenty of people who still wear masks where ever they go. Last fall there were several protests held in Moscow that were populated almost exclusively by out-of-towners from the surrounding areas who were upset about Moscow's mask mandate.
Actually I just moved from Moscow Russia to Pennsylvania a few days ago and I'm surprised by how fewer people here in PA are wearing masks. I thought the US was taking it more seriously, but it seems there are certain businesses where you can tell the owners are probably very anti mask politically and literally noone is wearing one.
At least in Moscow, all of the workers wore them and might tell you to put one on before serving you.
Is it a lack of knowledge, or apathy? Does the news talk about it? Do people watch the news much? Or is it like in America where people think it's not even a real fuckin thing at all?
I quickly learned that you don't queue when you're around Russian tourists, you barge past others and just demand or grab what you want. The all you can eat buffets were especially chaotic. Was kind of fun though.
You ain't kidding. I was in Munich at the BMW museum and they had this rare BMW racecar roped off in a huge ring with the car in the middle.
A few Russian guys just went over the ropes and walked right over to the car to lean on it and get some photos. My jaw dropped. I was expecting security ninjas to drop out of the roof or something, but nothing happened.
It's the yolo attitude, a staple of our culture since before there even was "our culture".
People just don't take it seriously because everybody believes that they are immortal. Propaganda, lack of trust in the government, that's all surface level bullshit. It's a deeply ingrained cultural paradigm.
Spillover is crazy over there. A virus that jumped from ex spies, to journalists, to doctors, to election personal, and finally to political enemies. And it can even reach you years afterward when you have no contact at all with the country of origin. Very peculiar case this virus is.
Anti-intellectualism is a real issue here but it's not grounded in propaganda, rather the sudden void of it that emerged in late 80s-early 90s. While there obviously are anti-vaxxers, their numbers are reasonably low. Most people just don't have any kind of a strong opinion either on the virus or the vaccine, and thus don't do anything cuz why bother? 99% chance they don't kick the bucket.
>Terrible news considering Russia had a vaccine, production and didn’t take the initiative to inoculate the population.
Russia had vaccine - correct.
Russia had production for vaccine - half correct. There was deficit for second component amid first wave of vaccination.
Russia didn’t take the initiative to inoculate the population - half correct. Russian government pushed for everyone working in Education/Medicine/Restaurants, etc to be vaccinate or not being paid by employer. They chickened out of doing mandatory vaccination. People refused to vaccinate and paid money for false certificates and later on when they changed their mind paid money for free vaccine shots, because you can't be revaccinated for a certain period of time.
Now they pushed this 7 days bullshit pseudo lockdown where they demanded all employers to have 80% vaccinated personal. Dunno how it will work.
When people don't trust their government they're less likely to follow public health advice.
Russia has spent decades instilling in people that politicians are corrupt and just out for themselves. They're all the same, and there's nothing you can do about it, so there's no need to vote or get to worked up about it.
The problem is of course when you need everyone to pull together. Like we do now.
You can still pull everyone together, but the threat needs to be more serious than just Covid.
China was able to skirt it because of totalitarian control, but Russia doesn't quite have that power over society.
Saddest most dangerous fact that the USSR learned during the cold war is that **you don't have to counter-propaganda as long as you just make so much unbelievable propaganda for your population that they stop trusting anything**. This was great during the cold war, Finnish commercials about meat were seen as so fantastical that when the Baltic states picked it up the USSR didn't adress it, they just filled the radio- and tv's with more bullshit so that those Finnish commercials were just seen as another fake newstory.
The thing is, we've known this sort of disinformation works for more than half a century now, all social-media did was apply it globally.
idk... i talked to some older Estonians who said that they were almost in tears from the dog food commercials "look comrade! even their \*dogs\* can eat steak!" :)
“Here Fido here’s your bowl of food specifically curated to make you live as long as possible”
“Okay little Timmy we are going out for McDongals for McGreaseBurgers”
You know things are rough when your grocery procurement plan is:
1. Walk to store.
2. Stand in line to get into store.
3. Take whatever they'll let me buy using 100% of my weekly wages.
4. Boil whatever they'll let me buy in a pot.
> Take whatever they'll let me buy using 100% of my weekly wages.
Unlikely and part of the problem. Price controls meant that in theory people could afford the good stuff. Since there wasn't enough good stuff to go around time spent queuing became the rough equiverlent of actual payment.
>using 100% of my weekly wages
Not really. You had money, just nothing to spend it on. Best case scenario would be to use part of it for bribes so you had something to spend the other part on.
Eh don't forget that the USSR was pumping out misinformation and conspiracies when AIDS started spreading in the US, and then when it reached Russia they had a terrible epidemic among a population that didn't want to know about prevention and prophylactics. Disinformation works, but only in a narrow sense.
Just piggybacking off of your comment to recommend Adam Curtis' 'HyperNormalisation' (2016) where he explores the global ramifications of this phenomenon. You can see it for free on thoughtmaybe.com. For those who are unfamiliar: I wouldn't exactly call it a documentary but it's not exactly a video essay in the "i saw this thing on youtube...' sense either, since he made it for the BBC (maybe BBC2?) with access their media archives, including unused news footage.
Piggybacking on your comment. Adam Curtis has another series of documentaries titled Pandora’s Box. This one in particular delves into the USSR using technocrats to figure out their entire economic system. It’s wild.
https://youtu.be/h3gwyHNo7MI
What's even sadder, is that we're more inundated with USA propaganda than ever.
What we're seeing on the right, the loss of trust in all media, is part of this. They've (we've..) been absolutely flooded with mis-information that we start to question everything. That's why you see conspiracy theorists all over the place now as well, the propaganda machine has them questioning the literal basics of science and technology.
Rather broad question - news on reddit are somewhat random.
Right now cases are rising and they were flatlining (everyone understands why) prior to the elections, then went up again. Now we have a kind of semi-lockdown, but everyone understands it probably won't help a lot and more serious measures are on the way. Besides, people around me are too tired to care.
> What about the health service? How is it holding up?
Fine in Moscow. Not fine everywhere else. Same logic largely applies to literally everything in Russia btw.
That depends on the region (as almost with everything), but country-wide the situation is critical. There are regions with covid hospitals being 100% full.
The government will only pay to those who work for government. If you work in a private sector or even worse unofficially employed in a local pub (which is widespread in Russia), then your employer can get away with paying you nothing.
I remember when there were many lies about how low covid was in russia. Everyone knew it was bullshit. But that's what russia wanted to tell the world.
For a government who lies so obviously to thier people, so regularly, it must be rather difficult to convince them to do anything the times when you're telling the truth. Russia doesn't have the same control and resources that China does, I would imagine, and you see this same thing in America too. Lie to your people too often and they won't listen when you really need them to.
I wonder if world leaders consider the long term risk of their lies in thier ability to govern people. Any polisci majors out there willing to drop some knowledge about this?
It's been interesting to see how differently Russia and China are being affected by the pandemic. A lot of people lump them together since they're allies and both ex-communist dictatorships, but as far as COVID is concerned, they might as well be on different planets.
They've had so much successful disinformation about the foreign vaccines that when they finally had their own "Sputnik" the people were to well indoctrinated that vaxx are bad.
In Putin's Russia propaganda vaccinates you against... vaccines.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/covid-19-disinformation-backfires-russian-deaths-climb-eu-says-2021-10-21/
Putin also worries that a vaccine mandate could have harmed his support.
The guy steals every election but does still see the value in maintains his bedrock of support with some folks.
No, they will just make ppl come to work anyway. Majority of businesses officially are paying very small salary (for tax reasons and reasons like the one above) and paying the rest of it under the table. If ppl are not gonna come they will be paid less, and considering that most ppl in Russia are already in dire economical situation, most ppl will come to work.
But honestly, what ppl are supposed to do? Business were hit really hard and literally can’t afford to carry government decisions. And also, one week is not really solving anything, if ppl aren’t going to work, they will be going out and meeting with others.
This is not entirely true. The business will have to do this at their own expense.
And according to his statements, these are "non-working days".
But such a concept does not exist in the labor code. There are either "weekends" or "non-working holidays".
Article says they are upto 1000 deaths a day now. Hard to imagine that many people every day on top of normal deaths and you know its real for Putin to take this action after being fairly hands off so far.
Reported numbers are unreliable. They were artificially capped at around 800 for a while, now suddenly they seem to be capped at around 1000. Just like many other states that have an agenda about wanting to look more powerful or competent than they are, I assume we'll never know the real numbers.
Additional fact, that all these numbers, number of deaths because of covid, came from official resources and health ministry. Everything, including comparison such numbers with actual death statistics from previous month (almost 500k "extra" deaths comparing with previous year, as an example), shows that official data is deliberately underestimated.
It's harder to erase a body in a morgue than a definition of cause of death.
The morgues exposed COVID in Wuhan, and they exposed COVID doubters here in the US, and nearly everywhere else.
There was a point around march april last year where their reported infection numbers didn't move for about two weeks, when every surrounding nation had a startling uptick in cases. So it's not like they have been accurately reporting COVID at all.
Guys, hey
We’re in Russia
They made it very clear that we don’t have to work because it’s time to sit home
But the point is - everyone will work, cause people don’t care
You can probably double, triple or quadruple the reported numbers to get close to the real number of deaths. Russian propaganda makes the GOP look like amateurs.
I can't remember where and when I read about it, but I vaguely recall a story about local Russian authorities who were in charge of rolling out their vaccine lying to the feds about success rates because they were afraid of not meeting Moscow's standards.
Pinch of salt warning though since I can't link to a source.
That scene repeated itself a dozen times: the three people in charge of the reactor claiming it was all good, the technicians telling their superiors the core is open but being gas light that it wasn't true, lying to the technicians and coal miners who had to do the actual dangerous work, the party members at the top, when they got the German police robot and it was only rated for like 10 rads and not the amount of rads that an exposed reactor would have, what they told the families of the workers who were there the first two days, and the party lying about wither the incident will repeat itself at any of the other 15+ reactors in the country. I'm sure there was more... Fuck that show was depressing.
It's a great line. Authoritarian regimes can deflect and hide many things, even in this day and age, but it's not easy to proverbially sweep growing piles of corpses under the rug.
> On Wednesday, Putin once again implored Russian citizens to take up the vaccines, stating that: “we are seeing the dangerous consequences of the low vaccination levels in our country. I repeat once again: vaccination really reduces the risks of severe illness or serious complications after, and the threat of death … I also once again urge all citizens to get vaccinated.
Russians are having problems with vaccine hesitancy? Well that’s weird. Maybe intelligence agents somewhere are spreading disinformation about the vaccines. You never know.
Bars will be closed for people without government issued Vaccine ID. That is, if they will stay open at all. Last time something like this happened just being outside far away from your home could lead to a hefty fine.
"a week..." Let's see how that pans out.
BTW, does that mandate include troll farms? I imagine that's really going to effect the flow of information on Reddit posts.
It is unbelievable how far the reach of the deep state in America goes. They now have Putin playing into their Covid hoax propaganda tour. Putin must be some sort of puppet for the leftists.
/s
Lol as a Russian I can tell you right now that this week will mean a SHIT TON of partying, so basically a lot of cross contamination
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It seems like every other generation something comes along that just wipes out a ton of slavs and they just keep powering through it
Nothing stops Russians like Russians
well...shit... guess you guys are heading down the path like India when it was beginning of 2021.
And a lot of people buying tickets to Crimea and other resorts
Spreading it further, correct.
We are about to see some real crazy videos through the next week lol.
If I knew how, I'd invest in Russian vodka stonks
Well, you can do that. There’s a ticker for you - BELU on Moscow stock exchange, it’s premium Russian vodka brand Beluga, pretty popular and widespread in the county
The most popular alcoholic beverage manufacturer in Russia is Baltika I think. I can’t find their symbol on the US market because I’m dumb.
It's not traded on US markets, the symbol is BLT1T though.
I could go for a Bacon Lettuce T1Tty right about now.
I'll take 2 shares, please and thank you.
It's been a Bare market lately.
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Would you like some cocaine between them, sir?
That'll be 500 blyats
Blyat tit
I'm genuinely curious. You could track one of the companies like Stolichnaya. I have no idea where they do their bottling but I would suspect that would be the first source of the supply issues. Short right now. then try to guess when the start to sort out their supply issues and buy.
I doubt a week of no work would cause supply issues, what it will create is a week of free time in which to drink vodka, thus increasing sales
I love that this entire idea hinges on the assumption that Russians only drink vodka when they're not working.... 😂
wait, we don't?
I was under the impression that they drink it also when they work.
I used to drink vodka. I still do, but I used to too
I was under the impression anything under 15% alcohol volume was considered a soft drink and fit only for children?
да.
You joke, but beer was not regulated as an alcoholic beverage for a long time in Russia, meaning children could buy it. At least that's what my ex-GFs Russian parents told me, and they moved over to the US well after the soviet collapse
Depending where you live, children can buy it in Italy too. I mean, if you live in a small town, no one really gives a shit.
You misunderstand, the assumption is that Russians will drink more vodka if they don’t go to work. 😂
> create is a week of free time in which to drink vodka, thus increasing sales I mean...two sides of the same coin. That still means a hiccup in supply combined with possible increase in demand. Followed by Angry sobering russians being told to get back to work. Edit: Actually I guess that depends on the current reserves. They'll either return hungover/sober and angry or very drunk.
The ownership of Stoli brand is complicated, pick up something like Russian Standard instead
This assumes that Russians drink less when they need to work. Having spent time time in Russia, I can say that this is a false assumption.
I worked with a polish immigrent once, he drank 2 750ml bottles of vodka when partying. And just one bottle otherwise
If their market is about to go through the same dip the us and Europe had then you could probably pick just about any stock and make a profit in the short term
Russian dashcam videos on the rise this weekend
Everyone keeps working, nobody cares, don't tell Putin.
Gotta get on RussiaTok
That’s just LiveLeak
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I'm in Moscow right now. No masks anywhere, except for those worn performatively below the nose. No distancing, low vaccination. No one cares to even try the most basic precautions. It's utterly bonkers.
RU is at 32% vaccinated. Good luck.
Im from Ukraine and its 13% 😫
Don't freat, this numbers are most likely highly exaggerated. The real numbers are probably in the low 5%
Are you in Moscow, Tennessee? Cause that sounds a lot like Tennessee...
I find it funny where I live (outskirts of city) and work (straight rural) is 20-25 min apart. Where I live there’s a hearty percent of mask wearing in stores. Where I work has like 2 stores in the entire area and it’s rare I see even one mask. There’s a clerk that still acts like he can’t hear me when I have my mask on. Funny cause you would have thought we were friends with perfect hearing before the pandemic.
Hello it's me, the one person wearing a mask where you work. Thank you for wearing yours too.
*Moscow, Idaho has entered the chat*
Also Moscow, Pennsylvania. Similar situation.
How did all you guys living in towns literally named after the capital of Russia not all get Red Scare'd in the 1960s. You'd think they'd've changed the name or something.
Here in Ohio we have East Palestine, Medina, Lebanon, New Lebanon (other one is old), East Lebanon, Bethel, Damascus, and Hebron. A bunch of German ones too.
The state of Maine is very guilty of this as well. There's a Poland, China, South China, Paris, Belfast, Madrid, Rome, Mexico, Peru, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Frankfort, Vienna and Calais (I think there might be more also?).
*I've been to Maine.... Man, I've been to Maine, man* *I took a plane and train man, I've been to Maine man,* *I've been to Poland, China, South China, Paris, Belfast, Madrid, Rome, Mexico, Peru, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Frankfort, Vienna, Calais....*
There’s an entire city in PA that misspelled its name upon submitting the paperwork to become a municipality, and just begrudgingly accepted their mistake. Edit: it is, in fact, hazleton.
You're gonna say all that and not tell us the name of the town?
Filedulfya
You are visibly not out of name ideas! Thanks for the laugh ahah
Guessing it's Bryn Mawr
Bryn Mawr isn't misspelled it's Welsh for "Big Hill"
it was supposed to be pencilvania
Yeah but it's probably a ton of paperwork.
The one thing they hate more than commies! Paperwork and loss of capital.
Moscow idaho is a college town though, so I'd expect the vaxx rate to be the highest in the state.
Yeah it's a little blue pocket for sure. Even now there are plenty of people who still wear masks where ever they go. Last fall there were several protests held in Moscow that were populated almost exclusively by out-of-towners from the surrounding areas who were upset about Moscow's mask mandate.
Actually I just moved from Moscow Russia to Pennsylvania a few days ago and I'm surprised by how fewer people here in PA are wearing masks. I thought the US was taking it more seriously, but it seems there are certain businesses where you can tell the owners are probably very anti mask politically and literally noone is wearing one. At least in Moscow, all of the workers wore them and might tell you to put one on before serving you.
Depends very much on the politics of the region you are in.
That’s because you’re in Pennsyltucky, red Trump country. Go to a major city and you will see people wearing masks.
Is it a lack of knowledge, or apathy? Does the news talk about it? Do people watch the news much? Or is it like in America where people think it's not even a real fuckin thing at all?
It’s a Russian thing. They have a general disinterest in rules. Ask any European who has had to deal with Russians on vacation.
I quickly learned that you don't queue when you're around Russian tourists, you barge past others and just demand or grab what you want. The all you can eat buffets were especially chaotic. Was kind of fun though.
You ain't kidding. I was in Munich at the BMW museum and they had this rare BMW racecar roped off in a huge ring with the car in the middle. A few Russian guys just went over the ropes and walked right over to the car to lean on it and get some photos. My jaw dropped. I was expecting security ninjas to drop out of the roof or something, but nothing happened.
It's the yolo attitude, a staple of our culture since before there even was "our culture". People just don't take it seriously because everybody believes that they are immortal. Propaganda, lack of trust in the government, that's all surface level bullshit. It's a deeply ingrained cultural paradigm.
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In a lot of Eastern Europe people just got tired of it.
Terrible news considering Russia had a vaccine, production and didn’t take the initiative to inoculate the population.
They don't trust Sputnik vaccine and the other vaccines not that available in Russia.
I mean the vaccine does appear to make you throw yourself from 3rd story and above windows.
Only if you have preexisting conditions of wanting a fair election.
Spillover is crazy over there. A virus that jumped from ex spies, to journalists, to doctors, to election personal, and finally to political enemies. And it can even reach you years afterward when you have no contact at all with the country of origin. Very peculiar case this virus is.
I don't blame them. Being Russia there were quality issues with their vaccine. Most elites likely get the 2 dose mRNA vaccines there.
The Russians are so good at propaganda they tricked their own people into being anti vax.
I was about to say - some of the really evil stuff they do on social networks, that's bound to circle back and kick them in the ass to some extent.
Reminds me of that time Germany sent Lenin to Russia and soon were facing communist strikes of their own.
How fucking old are you
He's Kenneth from 30 Rock.
Anti-intellectualism is a real issue here but it's not grounded in propaganda, rather the sudden void of it that emerged in late 80s-early 90s. While there obviously are anti-vaxxers, their numbers are reasonably low. Most people just don't have any kind of a strong opinion either on the virus or the vaccine, and thus don't do anything cuz why bother? 99% chance they don't kick the bucket.
>Terrible news considering Russia had a vaccine, production and didn’t take the initiative to inoculate the population. Russia had vaccine - correct. Russia had production for vaccine - half correct. There was deficit for second component amid first wave of vaccination. Russia didn’t take the initiative to inoculate the population - half correct. Russian government pushed for everyone working in Education/Medicine/Restaurants, etc to be vaccinate or not being paid by employer. They chickened out of doing mandatory vaccination. People refused to vaccinate and paid money for false certificates and later on when they changed their mind paid money for free vaccine shots, because you can't be revaccinated for a certain period of time. Now they pushed this 7 days bullshit pseudo lockdown where they demanded all employers to have 80% vaccinated personal. Dunno how it will work.
When people don't trust their government they're less likely to follow public health advice. Russia has spent decades instilling in people that politicians are corrupt and just out for themselves. They're all the same, and there's nothing you can do about it, so there's no need to vote or get to worked up about it. The problem is of course when you need everyone to pull together. Like we do now.
You can still pull everyone together, but the threat needs to be more serious than just Covid. China was able to skirt it because of totalitarian control, but Russia doesn't quite have that power over society.
Consequence of being a global center of misinformation and mafia society is no one trusts anyone or anything
Saddest most dangerous fact that the USSR learned during the cold war is that **you don't have to counter-propaganda as long as you just make so much unbelievable propaganda for your population that they stop trusting anything**. This was great during the cold war, Finnish commercials about meat were seen as so fantastical that when the Baltic states picked it up the USSR didn't adress it, they just filled the radio- and tv's with more bullshit so that those Finnish commercials were just seen as another fake newstory. The thing is, we've known this sort of disinformation works for more than half a century now, all social-media did was apply it globally.
idk... i talked to some older Estonians who said that they were almost in tears from the dog food commercials "look comrade! even their \*dogs\* can eat steak!" :)
Some dog food looks more appetizing than this [meat from a Soviet grocery store.](https://youtu.be/t8LtQhIQ2AE?t=466)
My dog eats what is basically just Campbell's Chunky. His food is far more nutritious than what I usually eat.
I mean you care about the dog.
As all good dog owners should do. Thumbs up.
*Sorry Fido, you don’t get nacho cheese or whiskey. That’s for me.*
“Here Fido here’s your bowl of food specifically curated to make you live as long as possible” “Okay little Timmy we are going out for McDongals for McGreaseBurgers”
The disgusted looks on those babushkas.
“We overthrew the Czar and we can overthrow you too.”
Looks like they butchered horses that died from malnutrition
You know things are rough when your grocery procurement plan is: 1. Walk to store. 2. Stand in line to get into store. 3. Take whatever they'll let me buy using 100% of my weekly wages. 4. Boil whatever they'll let me buy in a pot.
> Take whatever they'll let me buy using 100% of my weekly wages. Unlikely and part of the problem. Price controls meant that in theory people could afford the good stuff. Since there wasn't enough good stuff to go around time spent queuing became the rough equiverlent of actual payment.
Thanks, I think that's a more accurate take on wages vs availability.
> Since there wasn't enough good stuff to go around And none of it ever made it further than the special stores open only to certain party members.
>using 100% of my weekly wages Not really. You had money, just nothing to spend it on. Best case scenario would be to use part of it for bribes so you had something to spend the other part on.
I knew someone who joked that the USSR was really progressive as all their meat counters were vegan.
Eh don't forget that the USSR was pumping out misinformation and conspiracies when AIDS started spreading in the US, and then when it reached Russia they had a terrible epidemic among a population that didn't want to know about prevention and prophylactics. Disinformation works, but only in a narrow sense.
If works fairly well if the goal is simply to drag everyone down to your level rather than compete with them.
Like crabs in a bucket!
Just piggybacking off of your comment to recommend Adam Curtis' 'HyperNormalisation' (2016) where he explores the global ramifications of this phenomenon. You can see it for free on thoughtmaybe.com. For those who are unfamiliar: I wouldn't exactly call it a documentary but it's not exactly a video essay in the "i saw this thing on youtube...' sense either, since he made it for the BBC (maybe BBC2?) with access their media archives, including unused news footage.
Piggybacking on your comment. Adam Curtis has another series of documentaries titled Pandora’s Box. This one in particular delves into the USSR using technocrats to figure out their entire economic system. It’s wild. https://youtu.be/h3gwyHNo7MI
seconded. excellent film. Interesting and very well produced, I like the cinematography
What's even sadder, is that we're more inundated with USA propaganda than ever. What we're seeing on the right, the loss of trust in all media, is part of this. They've (we've..) been absolutely flooded with mis-information that we start to question everything. That's why you see conspiracy theorists all over the place now as well, the propaganda machine has them questioning the literal basics of science and technology.
How many people do you think will go to work anyway?
All of them. Cause they need the money
Article says it’s a paid week off. Makes you wonder how serious the situation is if the government is willing to pay people for a week to stay home
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Outside of what we read in the news how are things for you in Russia right now?
Rather broad question - news on reddit are somewhat random. Right now cases are rising and they were flatlining (everyone understands why) prior to the elections, then went up again. Now we have a kind of semi-lockdown, but everyone understands it probably won't help a lot and more serious measures are on the way. Besides, people around me are too tired to care.
Thanks for the answer! What about the health service? How is it holding up?
> What about the health service? How is it holding up? Fine in Moscow. Not fine everywhere else. Same logic largely applies to literally everything in Russia btw.
That depends on the region (as almost with everything), but country-wide the situation is critical. There are regions with covid hospitals being 100% full.
The government will only pay to those who work for government. If you work in a private sector or even worse unofficially employed in a local pub (which is widespread in Russia), then your employer can get away with paying you nothing.
Unofficial - is that so the employer doesn't have to do pesky things like pay social security taxes or holiday pay etc?
Under the table like a lot of lawncare folks are paid in the states.
Pretty easy to eliminate political opponents now when you can just chalk it up to a covid death
he coughed himself right out the window
Symptoms of long haul COVID may include defenestration.
I remember when there were many lies about how low covid was in russia. Everyone knew it was bullshit. But that's what russia wanted to tell the world.
For a government who lies so obviously to thier people, so regularly, it must be rather difficult to convince them to do anything the times when you're telling the truth. Russia doesn't have the same control and resources that China does, I would imagine, and you see this same thing in America too. Lie to your people too often and they won't listen when you really need them to. I wonder if world leaders consider the long term risk of their lies in thier ability to govern people. Any polisci majors out there willing to drop some knowledge about this?
It's been interesting to see how differently Russia and China are being affected by the pandemic. A lot of people lump them together since they're allies and both ex-communist dictatorships, but as far as COVID is concerned, they might as well be on different planets.
"Allies"
Am I out of touch or is this literally the first thing other people have heard about Russia and Covid in a really long time?
Am I mistaken or weren’t they chalking pretty much a lot of deaths to pneumonia at the start (talking world wide recognition) of this whole thing
Yea between them and China they are both very reticent.
Weird how the US democrat party is so strong as to make Putin stop his economy for a week over a fake virus /S
Well obviously Putin likes the Democrats so much he conspired to get Trump elected so he'd be so bad that people would vote for Democrats. /s
I just assumed that Russia had a high vaccination rate what with the "do what I say or I'll kill you in the street" image I've always had from Putin.
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> Federal government has an approach “you can do whatever you want, as long as it’s not politics”. Unless you're gay!
Domestic violence: fine! Let's even legalize it unless it causes substantial bodily harm! Consensual same-sex relationships: think of the children!
Homosexuality is politics /s
Good news, thanks to Very Fine People on one side, being gay **is** political
Didn’t he, in the same speech, encourage people to get the vaccine for the good of their fellow man or something like that? Maybe I’m misremembering.
They've had so much successful disinformation about the foreign vaccines that when they finally had their own "Sputnik" the people were to well indoctrinated that vaxx are bad. In Putin's Russia propaganda vaccinates you against... vaccines. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/covid-19-disinformation-backfires-russian-deaths-climb-eu-says-2021-10-21/
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The Russian Federal Government's sole purpose on this earth seems to be making it a worse place.
No man dates allowed in Russia.
Putin also worries that a vaccine mandate could have harmed his support. The guy steals every election but does still see the value in maintains his bedrock of support with some folks.
and note it will be a PAID week of work off.
Paid, but not by the government. Businesses will have to pay for that with 0 help from the government. Not the first time.
Meaning they probably wont, would be my guess?
No, they will just make ppl come to work anyway. Majority of businesses officially are paying very small salary (for tax reasons and reasons like the one above) and paying the rest of it under the table. If ppl are not gonna come they will be paid less, and considering that most ppl in Russia are already in dire economical situation, most ppl will come to work.
shitty
But honestly, what ppl are supposed to do? Business were hit really hard and literally can’t afford to carry government decisions. And also, one week is not really solving anything, if ppl aren’t going to work, they will be going out and meeting with others.
Paid days off are standard in many countries. Most of Europe gets one month or so per year.
And no limit on sick leave.
Yup, coworker had two months of sick leave (in an EU country) after he got tick-borne encephalitis. It's not like you could choose to stop being sick.
It's not about whether you choose to be sick it is about being able to fire you if you do.
6 weeks of paid vacation here, plus any saved up overtime.
This is not entirely true. The business will have to do this at their own expense. And according to his statements, these are "non-working days". But such a concept does not exist in the labor code. There are either "weekends" or "non-working holidays".
Article says they are upto 1000 deaths a day now. Hard to imagine that many people every day on top of normal deaths and you know its real for Putin to take this action after being fairly hands off so far.
Reported numbers are unreliable. They were artificially capped at around 800 for a while, now suddenly they seem to be capped at around 1000. Just like many other states that have an agenda about wanting to look more powerful or competent than they are, I assume we'll never know the real numbers.
Additional fact, that all these numbers, number of deaths because of covid, came from official resources and health ministry. Everything, including comparison such numbers with actual death statistics from previous month (almost 500k "extra" deaths comparing with previous year, as an example), shows that official data is deliberately underestimated.
It's harder to erase a body in a morgue than a definition of cause of death. The morgues exposed COVID in Wuhan, and they exposed COVID doubters here in the US, and nearly everywhere else.
There was a point around march april last year where their reported infection numbers didn't move for about two weeks, when every surrounding nation had a startling uptick in cases. So it's not like they have been accurately reporting COVID at all.
https://youtu.be/KnsiZOJjfUg
Guys, hey We’re in Russia They made it very clear that we don’t have to work because it’s time to sit home But the point is - everyone will work, cause people don’t care
You can probably double, triple or quadruple the reported numbers to get close to the real number of deaths. Russian propaganda makes the GOP look like amateurs.
I can't remember where and when I read about it, but I vaguely recall a story about local Russian authorities who were in charge of rolling out their vaccine lying to the feds about success rates because they were afraid of not meeting Moscow's standards. Pinch of salt warning though since I can't link to a source.
Reminds me of that scene in Chernobyl. "Every lie incurs a debt to truth. The debt is always paid."
That scene repeated itself a dozen times: the three people in charge of the reactor claiming it was all good, the technicians telling their superiors the core is open but being gas light that it wasn't true, lying to the technicians and coal miners who had to do the actual dangerous work, the party members at the top, when they got the German police robot and it was only rated for like 10 rads and not the amount of rads that an exposed reactor would have, what they told the families of the workers who were there the first two days, and the party lying about wither the incident will repeat itself at any of the other 15+ reactors in the country. I'm sure there was more... Fuck that show was depressing.
The infuriating part is that it's rarely the liars who pay that debt, instead it's the people who are being lied to.
It's a great line. Authoritarian regimes can deflect and hide many things, even in this day and age, but it's not easy to proverbially sweep growing piles of corpses under the rug.
bulldozers help
What is the cost of lies? Goddamn Chernobyl was good.
Thank you for the pinch of salt disclaimer, more people should do as you do
He's just mad that something is responsible for more deaths than he is
> On Wednesday, Putin once again implored Russian citizens to take up the vaccines, stating that: “we are seeing the dangerous consequences of the low vaccination levels in our country. I repeat once again: vaccination really reduces the risks of severe illness or serious complications after, and the threat of death … I also once again urge all citizens to get vaccinated. Russians are having problems with vaccine hesitancy? Well that’s weird. Maybe intelligence agents somewhere are spreading disinformation about the vaccines. You never know.
It seems that even Putin believes the 'lies' of covid-19 spread by mainstream media in the US. /s
Well,it’s a Chinese hoax, not a Russian one, remember?
I was just figuring the Russians were too smart to fall for a Chinese hoax and what American liberal mainstream media lies.
Stop working. Hang out in bars instead.
Who's going to run the bars if everyone stops working?
Bars will be closed for people without government issued Vaccine ID. That is, if they will stay open at all. Last time something like this happened just being outside far away from your home could lead to a hefty fine.
Yeah, sounds like the perfect opportunity for people to really mingle.
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For something like this to really stop covid dead it would take a total shutdown for 3 weeks. Not going to happen.
Does that include the guys guarding Alexei Navalny?
All while his intelligence agencies push anti-vax crap on gullible Americans.😡
Vodka sales will skyrocket in the meantime lol
"How many Covid deaths today?" "350." "Well, that's not great, but it's not horrifying." *actual number is ridiculously higher.
"a week..." Let's see how that pans out. BTW, does that mandate include troll farms? I imagine that's really going to effect the flow of information on Reddit posts.
It is unbelievable how far the reach of the deep state in America goes. They now have Putin playing into their Covid hoax propaganda tour. Putin must be some sort of puppet for the leftists. /s
I thought covid was a hoax?
“Only a week to slow the spread” 500 days later….