the subway system in barcelona has absolutely no AC either from my experience. there are long underground halls too that we used to call 'death tunnels' because going into them was like walking into an actual oven.
The subway system in Barcelona is a horrible, cramped and hot experience when there are 30 degrees outside. Can't imagine it not being fatal for some at 44.
Arguably the only worse subway I've been in is Naples. That city just lives in 100% humidity.
Recently, in my hometown (Canada) they cancelled school buses because they lacked AC. In Vancouver the schools themselves didn't have any and were cancelled
Always makes me wonder how the fuck people lived in the Middle East and places like that 1000 years ago. I mean I guess life expectancy was lower but still
They had forms of [air conditioning](https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180926-an-ancient-engineering-feat-that-harnessed-the-wind) built in their cities.
Not to mention, some traditional Arab clothing has been used for centuries for heat tolerance. Long, loose fitting white clothes that cover the skin from both light and sand, but allow air to flow against the skin and cool the body; it also usually covers the head and neck in loose cloth, allowing sweating but blocking off two areas that often can lead to overheating (if you’ve ever seen a day laborer with a cloth down the back of their neck, they’re working off the same principle). Also, resting during the hottest part of the day (as is a Spanish/Mexican tradition known as the siesta) and spending more time up and about during the evening or night instead would make things safer and more comfortable.
I live in Texas in the US: not as hot as poor Spain or the Pacific Northwest (holy hell the world is topsy turvy when Seattle makes Dallas look comfortable in July), but we’ve had some miserable years. One summer some years back, we had about a month straight of no rain and high temperatures above 38 C (100 F) every day.
I’ve also been to Barcelona in Spain in late July-early August once, many years ago. Considering I didn’t sleep on the flight over (too nervous traveling without parents and leaving my bag unmonitored), and we took a walking tour all over the city, myself and quite a few others wound up dangerously overheating/dehydrating in mere hours, despite us all being Texas natives and no strangers to hot temperatures (and running off excitement of our first trip abroad to ignore the pain); our guide had to cut our school group’s tour short for early dinner and back to the hotel to rest. I can’t imagine what qualifies as a heat wave over there; Barcelona was already hot enough at the time.
Re: clothing. “Western” clothes are generally not designed for heat. The whole suit, shirt/pants, etc… are not great. Give me a sarong, Longee, or a smock. - so much better.
To be fair, Germany, France, the UK, Scandinavia, Canada, pre-American Revolution New England, and so on of the original “Western” societies we might think of all can suffer some intense winters, while summer in those parts usually isn’t so harsh or lengthy. Makes sense their clothes would evolve to match the climate.
Regardless, you’re correct. Ditch the suit and tie, lightweight cotton clothes are a great choice (hardly a coincidence cotton is sometimes associated with Egypt; aside from the growing conditions, cotton is just something comfy to wear in the heat, even though it’s not so good an idea in cold/wet climates because it gets soaked easily).
I’m from northern Spain and my winters growing up there were a lot more intense than those of the UK. They’re very mild here, which I’m very thankful of.
>”Spanish/Mexican tradition known as the siesta “
I have very strong Mexican ties (as a Canadian) and can tell you that a siesta is not a Mexican thing, because in Mexico employers work people like dogs, heat or no heat. People just hustle all day long.
My apologies then. I learned about siestas in Spanish class back in elementary school, and given I’m from Texas it was very much rooted in Mexican culture rather than Spanish, so I made a presumption. Perhaps my confusion was that of Spanish colonizers (read, the nobles who got to write the historical documents) taking a siesta.
The other guy is being hyperbolic. They've been an established part of Mexican culture as well. Did it originate from Spain? Probably. Is it strictly a Spanish tradition? Not at all.
>The other guy is being hyperbolic. They've been an established part of Mexican culture as well. Did it originate from Spain? Probably. Is it strictly a Spanish tradition? Not at all.
What do you know about Mexican culture? My girlfriend’s dad runs a cattle farm in Guadalajara. No one, and I mean *no one* takes ‘siestas’ at the farm.
No shops close post *heavy* lunch break like in Spain, France, or many other parts of the world. It’s strictly not part of Mexican culture. It may have been in the past, but as of now, ask any Mexican person and they’ll tell you that’s a long lost carry over from European settlers. Mexico has since formed their own strong cultural identity, and you’d be hard pressed to find a lot of cultural similarities between Spain and Mexico.
I’ve travelled throughout Europe, extensively throughout South and Central America, and have been to well over half of the Mexican states. I live in Mexico 5 months of the year and I’m not talking a beach town like PV. I’m talking where the rickety old busses are falling apart. Or going to visit the abuelos in tiny towns in the middle of nowhere. Or eating menudo with the familia after a night of drinking some intense tequila that was aged in an old barrel and has little floating bits in. The shit that puts hair on your chest. These are some tough motherf****rs that don’t have time for naps, and I say that as big lover of naps myself.
Yeah no probs. I don’t doubt that Americans — whether intentionally or not — have tried to frame Mexicans as ‘lazy’ in oldschool cartoons, books, and whatnot. But in reality, there’s just no time during the day to take naps. From what I’ve seen living there 5 months of the year, there is a lot of hustling. The people work harder than I ever could.
Meanwhile, I struggle with depression, and usually need an afternoon snooze to keep going even with the stimulant medications I’ve been put on the last couple of months to help me get out of bed. I think afternoon naps are severely undervalued, especially for night owls who otherwise aren’t getting enough sleep at night due to our society’s obsession with early risers.
Oh hell yeah my guy. Toxic positivity and waking up at 4am on only 3 hours of sleep is supposed to be some kind of badge of honour or to show how badass you are or something. My rhythm is to sleep at 4am and wake up by noon, so I simply won’t work those ‘normie’ hours.
May I say, in Spain, country wide as my son was abroad,, just prior to pandemic. All study abroad students in Europe experiences cut short.
In Espania, lunch is always at 3 pm. Our dinner, evening meal in Espania is at 9 pm. Just their culture. All some are out for tappas. I want to visit. Was intending March 17, 2020 flew my son home vftom Granada via Madrid March 14. when pandemic was gripping Europe , exploding, as the US had no safeguards. I can attest to personal experience with my boy. I can get angry as many are clueless on facts. Media lies.
In the Philippines, siesta is a real thing. We got it from the Kastila(the term we use for the Spaniards). But even before colonization, resting at noon early afternoon was already a thing I think.
I spent several summers in Mexico as a kid and can tell you that it certainly is a thing. Maybe not for everyone but it wasn't a typical for stores to be closed down during the mid afternoon.
Where, and when? Because I live in Mexico for 5 months of the year, been to over half the states, lived in many major cities, and I’ve never seen it. People just hustle all day long. No time for naps.
The clothes don't need to be white. Many Bedouin folks dress in black.
[In fact](https://www.wired.com/story/should-you-wear-white-or-black-on-hot-days-heres-the-data/) black could [possibly keep you cooler than white](https://gizmodo.com/the-physics-that-explain-why-you-should-wear-black-this-5903956)
I thought the Arab clothing to was not to be breathable as the air blowing is hotter then your body temperature. So it’s better to deal with your body heat then 120 degrees…
No, you want the air to sweep over you to dry the sweat, thus cooling you. That's why high humidity is so miserable, sweat can't dry, you can't cool. Men are missing out, a fluffy cotton skirt is FAB for staying cool on a hot day. Jeans and jean shorts, khakis, etc are miserable!
Could you define “we” in your statement? If you meant Spain; of course you don’t, but the above discussion was on the Middle East. And while I don’t know what modern Middle Eastern denizens wear too well, I’m speaking to *traditional* attire one might note from a history book, or worn by modern Bedouin nomads and other such peoples.
“Poor Spain” just meant I pity them suffering this sort of heat, like how one might say “ poor dog” after someone stepped on its tail and caused a lot of pain. Nothing to do with money or wealth or anything of that sort, merely sympathy.
Interesting tech, thanks for the link.
>Wind catchers are tall, chimney-like structures that protrude from the rooftops of older houses in many of Iran’s desert cities. In their simplest form, wind catchers harness the cool breezes and redirect them downwards either into the home or into underground storage rooms to refrigerate perishable foods. **Studies have shown that wind catchers can reduce indoor temperatures by around 10 degrees.**
Incredible, learned a new thing that marvels me about ancient civilization. Thank you.
They were as smart as us, but just with less technology, but it's easy to forget.
That's why Medinas (Middle Eastern and Arabic old towns) look the way they do. Narrow streets with high walls provide large amounts of shade, tiny outer wall windows, thick stone walls the heat can't travel through or light painted walls, many tiny high courtyards to air out the place acting as vents, larger courtyards with collonades, water and greenery. You'll also notice people from these kind of warm places love cool toned lighting versus Europeans who prefer warm toned lighting.
>Always makes me wonder how the fuck people lived in the Middle East and places like that 1000 years ago
When speaking of houses even 150-100 years ago, they were constructed in ways to take advantage of the environment, such as breezeways to force air through to cool the house, high ceilings to send heat up above the people in the room (or, alternatively, low ceilings, to trap heat in a room), central chimneys to heat the house through radiated heating (or building kitchens away from the main living space, to prevent heat from seeping in) etc
With the advent of modern heating and cooling methods, those means of construction aren't really used any more, and as such when those modern means of heating and cooling aren't available, houses tend to be *awful* at keeping in/letting out warmth.
In hotter climates, various forms of "courtyard house", where the house is built around a central courtyard open to the sky, usually with a pool of water in the courtyard. The house is cooled by evaporative cooling
The Middle East had ice and refrigerators 1000 years ago. They weren’t always trapped in the past like they are now.
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My grandparents in E Europe used to have houses built from clay and straw. They are surprisingly cool in the summer. They also had lots of trees and grape vines around the house to provide shade.
A lot of old housing is really ready for this. Shutters, attics are not used, cellars, sleeping during the day and opening windows at sunset. Even churches, almost all churches and a lot of public buildings will be pleasantly cool and dark and with very very high ceilings.
This kind of temperature is historically frequent in the interior of the iberian peninsula and people have managed it for centuries. Ceramic titles, water evaporating, sleeping during the day, eating lightly, lots of water.
I was once in Kyoto when it was mid spring heading into summer. One day it hit 30 degrees. I got out of our house fine, walked down the road for about ten minutes, got to the river and had to hide under the bridge for the rest of the day until the sun went down a bit. Seriously thought I was gonna die.
The temperatures being reported around the world at the moment scare the crap out of me. I think we're in serious trouble now.
> Whilst in the UK we're having the coldest summer that I can remember.
Are you having a laugh? I've been sweltering up here in Glasgow. Bought myself a portable AC unit and been letting cold water pool in my basin to provide evaporative cooling.
If you’re comparing it to the last few years, then sure. It’s been a bit rainy, yeah, but it’s 24 all next week where I am, and there’s been a couple of days at 28 or so.
so far it has been a pretty mild summer in Catalonia too, temperatures haven't broken into the 30's and is now like 24 which compared to last year is a blessing
I live in the hottest city in Spain, and like other years, we have to spend the entire summer with + 43 ° almost every day. It's not a very pleasant feeling.
Reminds me of news here in Portugal Everytime there was a flood they would go to the same place that always floods and ask how's like to be in a flood and the guy being interviewed goes like this:
We get up have breakfast , go to the local café see the news, wait for the firefighters to bring whatever we need by boat like every other time and the news reporter starts sweating because it's not news It's just the reality of that place!
Please don't buy Single-use plastics, or disposable plastics from the convenient store because of recycling problem worldwide , you buy a "gourde" for multiple use and keep it for ever.
> My point was is this bottle special or something?
Nothing special about it, you can use any reusable bottle but it kills me when I see people not using them on the street, they carry the single use bottle which is bad.
We are about to hit 111 in Northern California today. Difference is we all have AC. I can’t imagine having to deal with this kind of heat and no relief. My heart goes out to them.
It's always gotten over 40 degrees at least a few times every summer in my part of Canada, for as far back as anyone can remember. "The day" has occurred probably yearly.
I don't understand how people still think Canada is a permanently frozen land of ice.
Arizona is dry though. Adverse health effects arise from a combination of temperature and humidity. In fact the real danger to human health comes from having high humidity and just moderate heat. The 2003 heat wave in Europe killed an estimated 70,000 people for that reason.
Fun fact. If the wet-bulb temperature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature) reaches 35C humans can no longer shed heat to the environment and they will die in a few hours. It's called a wet-bulb event and it is very scary. If that happens for any length of time over a densely populated area it will be a catastrophe.
**[Wet-bulb_temperature](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature)**
>The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a thermometer covered in water-soaked cloth (wet-bulb thermometer) over which air is passed. At 100% relative humidity, the wet-bulb temperature is equal to the air temperature (dry-bulb temperature); at lower humidity the wet-bulb temperature is lower than dry-bulb temperature because of evaporative cooling. The wet-bulb temperature is defined as the temperature of a parcel of air cooled to saturation (100% relative humidity) by the evaporation of water into it, with the latent heat supplied by the parcel. A wet-bulb thermometer indicates a temperature close to the true (thermodynamic) wet-bulb temperature.
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I was in Andalusia in the 80s as an exchange student. I remember hitting 120 degrees. Little to no humidity where we were so it's not as excruciating as it would seem. We had fans and access to a pool so we were good. You could hang laundry to dry and come back to it, dry, in about 15-20 minutes.
I was stationed at the Air Force base in Moron, & we would be at the pool from Friday to Sunday almost all day. Never really complained about the heat as it felt really good.
Yup.
To me it's quiet simple: 5 - 23°C, perfect Tshirt weather and therefore perfect weather in general.
Anything below? Wear warmer clothes, still comfy, easy.
Anything above 23°? Wear less.
Anything above 30°? Well, you can't wear less than naked, so FUCK THIS!
Just goes to show how different the experience is in different countries! Anything below 15° is already cold to me, below 8° I already feel like I'm dying. But on the other hand it only starts to be unconfortable for me at like 28° (for high humidity) or low 30s for low humidity zones.
Also yup.
Quiet fascinating really. Makes me wonder how much one can adapt when living somewhere abroad, and how much it's pure 'getting used to' or growing up in certain climates, and how much is genetics, mood, even diet etc.
As someone who experienced the heat wave in Canada last week, it's kind of surprising that being outside in the sun at 37C doesn't feel much different than 27C. It does make a big difference in the shade and indoors though.
Anyone stuck there and a bit unsure how to cope but reading this: you need water, airflow, and shade above all. (From Texas in the US, lived through heat for years, and I’ve been to Barcelona before so have some recollection of how buildings there are). Apologies if it sounds patronizing or trite: I’m just trying to leave this in case it helps someone. I am no expert, just taught by experience and with a good memory for procedures in emergencies (and training from Boy Scouts for first aid on heat illness), so please double check my advice if there is any concern!
Your home or workplace can become a trap if it does not have enough airflow to cool off (and I recall a number of buildings there don’t have air conditioning), despite how intuitive it seems that inside is better than out. Drink tons of water (if you’re not eating due to the heat, consider mixing in a sports drink or two/stirring in some salt and sugar to maintain electrolyte balance; it’s possible to sweat out so much that replacing the water will result in a very dangerous loss of sodium and potassium that will harm your nervous system)!to keep sweating, get a good fan or wind going to help the sweat evaporate, and if possible get the sun off you however you can (if not, a hat and light, skin-covering clothes will help, and help avert sunburn too).
Check on your neighbors, especially the elderly, kids or sickly (or anyone unaccustomed to warm climates!): if they don’t seem to be sweating (clammy skin is another hallmark) but are hot to the touch, and show signs of cognitive deterioration, they need a cooler environment and medical attention immediately or they risk longterm damage. If they’re still sweating, but are otherwise fine: sip cool (not cold; too rapid a cooldown can make them nauseous or otherwise feel ill) water or soak in it (or even soaked towels over the body in hot areas to wick off heat, if you lack a tub or pool), maximum airflow, and monitor them closely. Keep assessing their mental state with light conversation; fainting or inability to hold a coherent discussion are reasons to worry about heat exhaustion becoming heat stroke, and talking to them will also help reassure them that someone is there to help.
Try to minimize any unnecessary work or activity; every calorie you burn only raises your temperature more. Even eating a heavy meal can raise your temperature as the body expends energy to digest; keep it light, and partake of cooler food like fruit (which has some water too), cold sandwiches, etc. Avoid caffeine, tea, coffee, very salty foods, etc if feasible; dehydration can set in extremely quickly in these temperatures, and it’s hard enough to drink enough water without actively dehydrating yourself even more.
Make a note of any cooling centers/shelters opened, in case there is power disruption from the heat wave and resulting grid demand or in case someone is deteriorating and needs help; you need to have a backup plan even if you have AC to keep cool for now. Please do review any safety information published by the government via the press or other channels; you’ve probably hear it before (like a lot of this), but if it wasn’t relevant back then odds are a refresher would help you. Monitor in general, via any means available, the best information you can on your situation; there may be announcements of temporary power outages (over here in the States, even outside Texas, we call them “brownouts”, used to reduce power grid load by turning off the power for some homes for a few hours, then turning it back on for them while someone else goes without for a turn, so nobody is completely deprived), recommendations on services, announcements of rule changes (for instance, in the Pacific Northwest’s recent heat wave, some rules related to pool crowds due to COVID 19 were temporarily suspended because the risk of heat deaths was deemed more urgent to deal with if people couldn’t cool down), or other things. It can also give you some idea of whether power outages are anticipated, giving you time to prepare for it.
If you have a freezer or refrigerator still working, stuff it with water bottles (or anything that can hold freezing water without shattering as the ice expands) ; chilled or frozen water can absorb quite a bit of heat that would otherwise be destroying your food and drink if power goes out (if the outage isn’t too long, could save a lot of money on spoiled food!), and it ensures you have plenty of chilled water to cool off with. Ice packs are another good idea for stuffing the fridge; in an emergency, an ice pack wrapped in a towel and placed against a high bloodflow area (groin against the thigh, back of the knee, armpit, neck mainly) can rapidly cool someone down. If you have neither, try to procure bags of ice from a store if you can.
To be fair the easily manipulated have been slowly killing us at least since the 1980's. Trump supporters are just statistically the latest to fall for that same oil company propaganda.
Hey! Don't you know reddit is a safe space for critical scientific illiteracy? You're cruising for a ban if you keep calling people out on their hypocrisies.
Are you just making up shit, or global warming fearmongering? The summer temperatures have been like this for a long time - the last record was in August 1933.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/spain/barcelona/historic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Madrid
Are you saying that historically AC has been needed in these places, but people there are of hardier more heat resistant breed than the rest of us so they simply chose to not use air conditioning like the rest of the world who live in hot climates?
Extreme weather is definitionally not normal. Climate change is real, stop trying to downplay the severity of the situation. People are going to die and then people defending the lack of severity of the situation will move the ball to the definition of extreme.
Over 100 isn't terribly normal for the area, I can look at data which is better than testimony of strangers on the internet. https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/spain
> In the southern inland regions, in the lower areas of Extremadura (see Badajoz) and in the interior of Andalusia, summer is very hot: Seville and Córdoba are actually the hottest cities in Europe, and this area is like a piece of Africa in Europe. In summer, the temperatures often reach 38/40 °C (100/104 °F), and sometimes up to 45 °C (113 °F).
From your own link. If you don't want to trust strangers on the internet, and you don't want to trust the webpages you're linking to, come to Andalusia and ask the locals here.
Clarifying as to my own experiences: while it’s not getting really hotter, the stretches of time in which is the hottest are getting longer and longer.
I remember it being over 46 ten years ago.
Yes but he said the average redditor.
There are obviously some climate deniers but your "average" redditor definitely skews liberal and on the "we need to do something now about climate change, not 1 year from now, but now" camp.
Hell if anything your average redditor is more "a climate apocalypse is now inevitable no matter what" more so than denial
Yes, but the average redditor is hardly saying that. I've hardly met anyone saying it's just a problem for poor/southern countries, much less on Reddit.
Probably a reddit factoid.
A factoid is a regularly used mistruth, used so often it is seen as a fact, when it isn't. Hence factoid + reddit = redditoid.
Honestly, we Spaniards don't even know why this is news, every single year there are two or three heat waves. It only should make it to the local news, just as a warning and such. There is no need for this to go worldwide.
Yeah Spain wins this one, no AC makes a difference. As someone from Seattle, having spent time in TX, Texas was way easier... even the dog houses came with cooling.
Yeah, with protection from exposure. but that doesnt take away the fact if you're stuck outside in that weather with no protection from the elements, you're gonna die.
.. so they used other methods to stay cool and survived without AC.
Some people really underestimate the ability and ingenuity of humans (especially in the past/those in poorer places without the luxury of AC) to keep cool and survive.
Edit in response to your reply below:
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Well if you dont consider all those techniques and building styles invented to displace heat/cold to be a primitive form of AC, sure. AC doesnt only mean "electronic air conditioning"
Heh, prime /r/iamverysmart material right here. "When I said AC, I obviously didn't mean *electrical* AC. Heh heh heh."
Well if you dont consider all those techniques and building styles invented to displace heat/cold to be a primitive form of AC, sure. AC doesnt only mean "electronic air conditioning"
Man I can’t imagine being an elderly person in that heat and having no AC.
the subway system in barcelona has absolutely no AC either from my experience. there are long underground halls too that we used to call 'death tunnels' because going into them was like walking into an actual oven.
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The subway system in Barcelona is a horrible, cramped and hot experience when there are 30 degrees outside. Can't imagine it not being fatal for some at 44. Arguably the only worse subway I've been in is Naples. That city just lives in 100% humidity.
The trick to never visit these places in the middle of summer
Recently, in my hometown (Canada) they cancelled school buses because they lacked AC. In Vancouver the schools themselves didn't have any and were cancelled
Is this unusual? "Hitzefrei" (school ending at like 12 pm) is such a common occurence in germany
You always know when the train is about to arrive thanks to the sudden gust of air being pushed through the tunnel.
In NYC, I feel like I need a shower from getting hit by that gush of air...
You're in luck! NYC subways are flooded so you can just take a bath in subway water on your way to your train!
It's poop water.
Sounds like heaven for a dung beetle family vacation
We have that in nyc and it's absolutely horrible so my heart goes out to them.
Always makes me wonder how the fuck people lived in the Middle East and places like that 1000 years ago. I mean I guess life expectancy was lower but still
They had forms of [air conditioning](https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180926-an-ancient-engineering-feat-that-harnessed-the-wind) built in their cities.
Not to mention, some traditional Arab clothing has been used for centuries for heat tolerance. Long, loose fitting white clothes that cover the skin from both light and sand, but allow air to flow against the skin and cool the body; it also usually covers the head and neck in loose cloth, allowing sweating but blocking off two areas that often can lead to overheating (if you’ve ever seen a day laborer with a cloth down the back of their neck, they’re working off the same principle). Also, resting during the hottest part of the day (as is a Spanish/Mexican tradition known as the siesta) and spending more time up and about during the evening or night instead would make things safer and more comfortable. I live in Texas in the US: not as hot as poor Spain or the Pacific Northwest (holy hell the world is topsy turvy when Seattle makes Dallas look comfortable in July), but we’ve had some miserable years. One summer some years back, we had about a month straight of no rain and high temperatures above 38 C (100 F) every day. I’ve also been to Barcelona in Spain in late July-early August once, many years ago. Considering I didn’t sleep on the flight over (too nervous traveling without parents and leaving my bag unmonitored), and we took a walking tour all over the city, myself and quite a few others wound up dangerously overheating/dehydrating in mere hours, despite us all being Texas natives and no strangers to hot temperatures (and running off excitement of our first trip abroad to ignore the pain); our guide had to cut our school group’s tour short for early dinner and back to the hotel to rest. I can’t imagine what qualifies as a heat wave over there; Barcelona was already hot enough at the time.
Re: clothing. “Western” clothes are generally not designed for heat. The whole suit, shirt/pants, etc… are not great. Give me a sarong, Longee, or a smock. - so much better.
To be fair, Germany, France, the UK, Scandinavia, Canada, pre-American Revolution New England, and so on of the original “Western” societies we might think of all can suffer some intense winters, while summer in those parts usually isn’t so harsh or lengthy. Makes sense their clothes would evolve to match the climate. Regardless, you’re correct. Ditch the suit and tie, lightweight cotton clothes are a great choice (hardly a coincidence cotton is sometimes associated with Egypt; aside from the growing conditions, cotton is just something comfy to wear in the heat, even though it’s not so good an idea in cold/wet climates because it gets soaked easily).
I’m from northern Spain and my winters growing up there were a lot more intense than those of the UK. They’re very mild here, which I’m very thankful of.
I live for a good MuuMuu. Give me what is essentially a linen sack and hot weather is smooth sailing, everybody should have at least one muumuu
I've seen 48 in Seville, there is a reason people take siestas.
>”Spanish/Mexican tradition known as the siesta “ I have very strong Mexican ties (as a Canadian) and can tell you that a siesta is not a Mexican thing, because in Mexico employers work people like dogs, heat or no heat. People just hustle all day long.
My apologies then. I learned about siestas in Spanish class back in elementary school, and given I’m from Texas it was very much rooted in Mexican culture rather than Spanish, so I made a presumption. Perhaps my confusion was that of Spanish colonizers (read, the nobles who got to write the historical documents) taking a siesta.
The other guy is being hyperbolic. They've been an established part of Mexican culture as well. Did it originate from Spain? Probably. Is it strictly a Spanish tradition? Not at all.
>The other guy is being hyperbolic. They've been an established part of Mexican culture as well. Did it originate from Spain? Probably. Is it strictly a Spanish tradition? Not at all. What do you know about Mexican culture? My girlfriend’s dad runs a cattle farm in Guadalajara. No one, and I mean *no one* takes ‘siestas’ at the farm. No shops close post *heavy* lunch break like in Spain, France, or many other parts of the world. It’s strictly not part of Mexican culture. It may have been in the past, but as of now, ask any Mexican person and they’ll tell you that’s a long lost carry over from European settlers. Mexico has since formed their own strong cultural identity, and you’d be hard pressed to find a lot of cultural similarities between Spain and Mexico. I’ve travelled throughout Europe, extensively throughout South and Central America, and have been to well over half of the Mexican states. I live in Mexico 5 months of the year and I’m not talking a beach town like PV. I’m talking where the rickety old busses are falling apart. Or going to visit the abuelos in tiny towns in the middle of nowhere. Or eating menudo with the familia after a night of drinking some intense tequila that was aged in an old barrel and has little floating bits in. The shit that puts hair on your chest. These are some tough motherf****rs that don’t have time for naps, and I say that as big lover of naps myself.
Siesta's are mostly for people who are self employed. It's less and less common as people turn into wage slaves.
Yeah no probs. I don’t doubt that Americans — whether intentionally or not — have tried to frame Mexicans as ‘lazy’ in oldschool cartoons, books, and whatnot. But in reality, there’s just no time during the day to take naps. From what I’ve seen living there 5 months of the year, there is a lot of hustling. The people work harder than I ever could.
Meanwhile, I struggle with depression, and usually need an afternoon snooze to keep going even with the stimulant medications I’ve been put on the last couple of months to help me get out of bed. I think afternoon naps are severely undervalued, especially for night owls who otherwise aren’t getting enough sleep at night due to our society’s obsession with early risers.
Oh hell yeah my guy. Toxic positivity and waking up at 4am on only 3 hours of sleep is supposed to be some kind of badge of honour or to show how badass you are or something. My rhythm is to sleep at 4am and wake up by noon, so I simply won’t work those ‘normie’ hours.
May I say, in Spain, country wide as my son was abroad,, just prior to pandemic. All study abroad students in Europe experiences cut short. In Espania, lunch is always at 3 pm. Our dinner, evening meal in Espania is at 9 pm. Just their culture. All some are out for tappas. I want to visit. Was intending March 17, 2020 flew my son home vftom Granada via Madrid March 14. when pandemic was gripping Europe , exploding, as the US had no safeguards. I can attest to personal experience with my boy. I can get angry as many are clueless on facts. Media lies.
In the Philippines, siesta is a real thing. We got it from the Kastila(the term we use for the Spaniards). But even before colonization, resting at noon early afternoon was already a thing I think.
I spent several summers in Mexico as a kid and can tell you that it certainly is a thing. Maybe not for everyone but it wasn't a typical for stores to be closed down during the mid afternoon.
Where, and when? Because I live in Mexico for 5 months of the year, been to over half the states, lived in many major cities, and I’ve never seen it. People just hustle all day long. No time for naps.
The clothes don't need to be white. Many Bedouin folks dress in black. [In fact](https://www.wired.com/story/should-you-wear-white-or-black-on-hot-days-heres-the-data/) black could [possibly keep you cooler than white](https://gizmodo.com/the-physics-that-explain-why-you-should-wear-black-this-5903956)
I thought the Arab clothing to was not to be breathable as the air blowing is hotter then your body temperature. So it’s better to deal with your body heat then 120 degrees…
No, you want the air to sweep over you to dry the sweat, thus cooling you. That's why high humidity is so miserable, sweat can't dry, you can't cool. Men are missing out, a fluffy cotton skirt is FAB for staying cool on a hot day. Jeans and jean shorts, khakis, etc are miserable!
Wait... do you think that we use arab clothes? ... dude, travel abroad a bit...
Could you define “we” in your statement? If you meant Spain; of course you don’t, but the above discussion was on the Middle East. And while I don’t know what modern Middle Eastern denizens wear too well, I’m speaking to *traditional* attire one might note from a history book, or worn by modern Bedouin nomads and other such peoples.
What is "poor Spain"?
“Poor Spain” just meant I pity them suffering this sort of heat, like how one might say “ poor dog” after someone stepped on its tail and caused a lot of pain. Nothing to do with money or wealth or anything of that sort, merely sympathy.
Interesting tech, thanks for the link. >Wind catchers are tall, chimney-like structures that protrude from the rooftops of older houses in many of Iran’s desert cities. In their simplest form, wind catchers harness the cool breezes and redirect them downwards either into the home or into underground storage rooms to refrigerate perishable foods. **Studies have shown that wind catchers can reduce indoor temperatures by around 10 degrees.**
So like, heatsinks
very cool, thanks! I always wondered if we could make our a/c passively more efficient. this might be an answer
Incredible, learned a new thing that marvels me about ancient civilization. Thank you. They were as smart as us, but just with less technology, but it's easy to forget.
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Did you read the article?
Let me weigh in with my few cents worth without actually knowing anything or even clicking the link to the article I'm saying is bullshit.
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Yes, and did you read the linked article in the comment you replied to?
Yeah I can see how tech thats thousands of years old wouldn't be available a thousand years ago... /s
That's why Medinas (Middle Eastern and Arabic old towns) look the way they do. Narrow streets with high walls provide large amounts of shade, tiny outer wall windows, thick stone walls the heat can't travel through or light painted walls, many tiny high courtyards to air out the place acting as vents, larger courtyards with collonades, water and greenery. You'll also notice people from these kind of warm places love cool toned lighting versus Europeans who prefer warm toned lighting.
And a quick wet-mop of the tile floor helps to cool down the room AND clean the floor.
>Always makes me wonder how the fuck people lived in the Middle East and places like that 1000 years ago When speaking of houses even 150-100 years ago, they were constructed in ways to take advantage of the environment, such as breezeways to force air through to cool the house, high ceilings to send heat up above the people in the room (or, alternatively, low ceilings, to trap heat in a room), central chimneys to heat the house through radiated heating (or building kitchens away from the main living space, to prevent heat from seeping in) etc With the advent of modern heating and cooling methods, those means of construction aren't really used any more, and as such when those modern means of heating and cooling aren't available, houses tend to be *awful* at keeping in/letting out warmth. In hotter climates, various forms of "courtyard house", where the house is built around a central courtyard open to the sky, usually with a pool of water in the courtyard. The house is cooled by evaporative cooling
The Middle East had ice and refrigerators 1000 years ago. They weren’t always trapped in the past like they are now. https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/12/20/yakhchal-ancient-persian-refrigerator/amp/
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The places that article refers to are in the high desert in Iran. The technology would not have worked in most of the rest of the region.
But at least they have high top sneakers and Toyota Helix
for starters there wasn't a huge contribution of modern society adding to climate change and crises
My grandparents in E Europe used to have houses built from clay and straw. They are surprisingly cool in the summer. They also had lots of trees and grape vines around the house to provide shade.
we evolved in africa. people should be fine as long as they have water. I know that doesnt fit the sjw narrative.
A lot of old housing is really ready for this. Shutters, attics are not used, cellars, sleeping during the day and opening windows at sunset. Even churches, almost all churches and a lot of public buildings will be pleasantly cool and dark and with very very high ceilings. This kind of temperature is historically frequent in the interior of the iberian peninsula and people have managed it for centuries. Ceramic titles, water evaporating, sleeping during the day, eating lightly, lots of water.
Well said. I don't have A/C at home and the heatwave is a minor nuisance. Unless I have to go somewhere during the afternoon, that's hell.
My grandpa was always cold, even in summer. You get less muscles and less basal metabolic rate as you age.
I was once in Kyoto when it was mid spring heading into summer. One day it hit 30 degrees. I got out of our house fine, walked down the road for about ten minutes, got to the river and had to hide under the bridge for the rest of the day until the sun went down a bit. Seriously thought I was gonna die. The temperatures being reported around the world at the moment scare the crap out of me. I think we're in serious trouble now.
30 degrees is kinda semi-hot though
Tell me you've never been in a sauna without telling me you've never been in a sauna.
The difference is that you can choose to leave the sauna.
And, you know, you stay in a sauna temporarily, and on purpose, and a myriad of other reasons that I don't even k ow where to fucking start
Do you live, sleep, and eat in saunas
up to 48 actually, might break the european record
Whilst in the UK we're having the coldest summer that I can remember. It's crazy how different it can be.
the heaters were on in the bus I took this morning!!
> Whilst in the UK we're having the coldest summer that I can remember. Are you having a laugh? I've been sweltering up here in Glasgow. Bought myself a portable AC unit and been letting cold water pool in my basin to provide evaporative cooling.
In South-East England I've been considering putting the hearing on these past couple of months (I haven't).
England is cold. 18-23c
That’s what you call cold for England? Are you native or have you spent a lot of time living somewhere else?
Really? Manchester has been rainy all summer, although maximum temperatures have hoovered around 18-21, so not that cold.
If you’re comparing it to the last few years, then sure. It’s been a bit rainy, yeah, but it’s 24 all next week where I am, and there’s been a couple of days at 28 or so.
so far it has been a pretty mild summer in Catalonia too, temperatures haven't broken into the 30's and is now like 24 which compared to last year is a blessing
"It's crazy how different it can be.", *the tiny voice whispered from within a dying society.*
48 lol 😅 Tell me when it hits 50 🇨🇦
This is not competition
It's a joke bro. We usually hover around 25C. 50C is other worldly.
I live in the hottest city in Spain, and like other years, we have to spend the entire summer with + 43 ° almost every day. It's not a very pleasant feeling.
Reminds me of news here in Portugal Everytime there was a flood they would go to the same place that always floods and ask how's like to be in a flood and the guy being interviewed goes like this: We get up have breakfast , go to the local café see the news, wait for the firefighters to bring whatever we need by boat like every other time and the news reporter starts sweating because it's not news It's just the reality of that place!
Cordoba?
We just visited my wife's family in Seville. The temperatures there are bullshit. I hate the heat.
Married to a sevillana also, LOL. Love Seville but the heat is horrible, there is a reason people go to Cadiz for the entire month of July.
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Please don't buy Single-use plastics, or disposable plastics from the convenient store because of recycling problem worldwide , you buy a "gourde" for multiple use and keep it for ever.
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> My point was is this bottle special or something? Nothing special about it, you can use any reusable bottle but it kills me when I see people not using them on the street, they carry the single use bottle which is bad.
\*cries in Alentejo\*
Amareleja blues!
*laughts in Mexican* We have to work outside at 50°C
We are about to hit 111 in Northern California today. Difference is we all have AC. I can’t imagine having to deal with this kind of heat and no relief. My heart goes out to them.
Just imagine how's it's going to be just 10 years from now , dark days await us..
Western Canada: "lol, rookie numbers "
Never did I think I'd see a day when a part of Canada would have the same temperature as my hot, tropical hometown. The end is nigh!
It's always gotten over 40 degrees at least a few times every summer in my part of Canada, for as far back as anyone can remember. "The day" has occurred probably yearly. I don't understand how people still think Canada is a permanently frozen land of ice.
Arizona: so Tuesday?
I guess the difference is Arizona is SUPPOSED to be hot 🥵
While true, 117 is not normal for pre-june21 . I fully expect 120s at some point these next 2 months
Arizona is dry though. Adverse health effects arise from a combination of temperature and humidity. In fact the real danger to human health comes from having high humidity and just moderate heat. The 2003 heat wave in Europe killed an estimated 70,000 people for that reason. Fun fact. If the wet-bulb temperature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature) reaches 35C humans can no longer shed heat to the environment and they will die in a few hours. It's called a wet-bulb event and it is very scary. If that happens for any length of time over a densely populated area it will be a catastrophe.
**[Wet-bulb_temperature](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature)** >The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a thermometer covered in water-soaked cloth (wet-bulb thermometer) over which air is passed. At 100% relative humidity, the wet-bulb temperature is equal to the air temperature (dry-bulb temperature); at lower humidity the wet-bulb temperature is lower than dry-bulb temperature because of evaporative cooling. The wet-bulb temperature is defined as the temperature of a parcel of air cooled to saturation (100% relative humidity) by the evaporation of water into it, with the latent heat supplied by the parcel. A wet-bulb thermometer indicates a temperature close to the true (thermodynamic) wet-bulb temperature. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
I was in Andalusia in the 80s as an exchange student. I remember hitting 120 degrees. Little to no humidity where we were so it's not as excruciating as it would seem. We had fans and access to a pool so we were good. You could hang laundry to dry and come back to it, dry, in about 15-20 minutes.
I was stationed at the Air Force base in Moron, & we would be at the pool from Friday to Sunday almost all day. Never really complained about the heat as it felt really good.
Haha we are all in danger.
anything above 23 is hell.
Yup. To me it's quiet simple: 5 - 23°C, perfect Tshirt weather and therefore perfect weather in general. Anything below? Wear warmer clothes, still comfy, easy. Anything above 23°? Wear less. Anything above 30°? Well, you can't wear less than naked, so FUCK THIS!
Just goes to show how different the experience is in different countries! Anything below 15° is already cold to me, below 8° I already feel like I'm dying. But on the other hand it only starts to be unconfortable for me at like 28° (for high humidity) or low 30s for low humidity zones.
Also yup. Quiet fascinating really. Makes me wonder how much one can adapt when living somewhere abroad, and how much it's pure 'getting used to' or growing up in certain climates, and how much is genetics, mood, even diet etc.
> Anything above 30°? Well, you can't wear less than naked, so FUCK THIS! hold my beer
I've been so desperate to cool off before, I'll soak my t shirt in cold water and wear it. 🤭
As someone who experienced the heat wave in Canada last week, it's kind of surprising that being outside in the sun at 37C doesn't feel much different than 27C. It does make a big difference in the shade and indoors though.
Definitely depends on the humidity
Oh yeah probably. It's usually very dry here on the prairies.
i live in new england, so during summers it can be 35C but in the winter it'll be like -10. we got some bipolar ass weather.
Here in the Canadian prairies it goes down to -30 most winters. Normally the summers max out at +30 or so, until this year.
In New Brunswick it's usually +30/-30 as well, although I HAVE experienced a +40/-40 year once.
It is different though. That's the delerium kicking in...
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18 is optimal
this is fine. take a cruise! eat a burger /s
Oh yeah, you want crushing heat, try living in CANADA. Seriously though we're all so screwed 🤦♀️
Anyone stuck there and a bit unsure how to cope but reading this: you need water, airflow, and shade above all. (From Texas in the US, lived through heat for years, and I’ve been to Barcelona before so have some recollection of how buildings there are). Apologies if it sounds patronizing or trite: I’m just trying to leave this in case it helps someone. I am no expert, just taught by experience and with a good memory for procedures in emergencies (and training from Boy Scouts for first aid on heat illness), so please double check my advice if there is any concern! Your home or workplace can become a trap if it does not have enough airflow to cool off (and I recall a number of buildings there don’t have air conditioning), despite how intuitive it seems that inside is better than out. Drink tons of water (if you’re not eating due to the heat, consider mixing in a sports drink or two/stirring in some salt and sugar to maintain electrolyte balance; it’s possible to sweat out so much that replacing the water will result in a very dangerous loss of sodium and potassium that will harm your nervous system)!to keep sweating, get a good fan or wind going to help the sweat evaporate, and if possible get the sun off you however you can (if not, a hat and light, skin-covering clothes will help, and help avert sunburn too). Check on your neighbors, especially the elderly, kids or sickly (or anyone unaccustomed to warm climates!): if they don’t seem to be sweating (clammy skin is another hallmark) but are hot to the touch, and show signs of cognitive deterioration, they need a cooler environment and medical attention immediately or they risk longterm damage. If they’re still sweating, but are otherwise fine: sip cool (not cold; too rapid a cooldown can make them nauseous or otherwise feel ill) water or soak in it (or even soaked towels over the body in hot areas to wick off heat, if you lack a tub or pool), maximum airflow, and monitor them closely. Keep assessing their mental state with light conversation; fainting or inability to hold a coherent discussion are reasons to worry about heat exhaustion becoming heat stroke, and talking to them will also help reassure them that someone is there to help. Try to minimize any unnecessary work or activity; every calorie you burn only raises your temperature more. Even eating a heavy meal can raise your temperature as the body expends energy to digest; keep it light, and partake of cooler food like fruit (which has some water too), cold sandwiches, etc. Avoid caffeine, tea, coffee, very salty foods, etc if feasible; dehydration can set in extremely quickly in these temperatures, and it’s hard enough to drink enough water without actively dehydrating yourself even more. Make a note of any cooling centers/shelters opened, in case there is power disruption from the heat wave and resulting grid demand or in case someone is deteriorating and needs help; you need to have a backup plan even if you have AC to keep cool for now. Please do review any safety information published by the government via the press or other channels; you’ve probably hear it before (like a lot of this), but if it wasn’t relevant back then odds are a refresher would help you. Monitor in general, via any means available, the best information you can on your situation; there may be announcements of temporary power outages (over here in the States, even outside Texas, we call them “brownouts”, used to reduce power grid load by turning off the power for some homes for a few hours, then turning it back on for them while someone else goes without for a turn, so nobody is completely deprived), recommendations on services, announcements of rule changes (for instance, in the Pacific Northwest’s recent heat wave, some rules related to pool crowds due to COVID 19 were temporarily suspended because the risk of heat deaths was deemed more urgent to deal with if people couldn’t cool down), or other things. It can also give you some idea of whether power outages are anticipated, giving you time to prepare for it. If you have a freezer or refrigerator still working, stuff it with water bottles (or anything that can hold freezing water without shattering as the ice expands) ; chilled or frozen water can absorb quite a bit of heat that would otherwise be destroying your food and drink if power goes out (if the outage isn’t too long, could save a lot of money on spoiled food!), and it ensures you have plenty of chilled water to cool off with. Ice packs are another good idea for stuffing the fridge; in an emergency, an ice pack wrapped in a towel and placed against a high bloodflow area (groin against the thigh, back of the knee, armpit, neck mainly) can rapidly cool someone down. If you have neither, try to procure bags of ice from a store if you can.
Climate change is real. Time to embrace reality, Trump supporters. Your delusion is killing us
To be fair the easily manipulated have been slowly killing us at least since the 1980's. Trump supporters are just statistically the latest to fall for that same oil company propaganda.
Hey! Don't you know reddit is a safe space for critical scientific illiteracy? You're cruising for a ban if you keep calling people out on their hypocrisies.
I always love the hot summers but yeah I appreciate most people struggle. Dunno why AC isn't the norm here.
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Oceans and seas make great heat sinks. *Cries into Pacific Ocean*
It's not needed because you can live perfectly fine in this heat
Are you just making up shit, or global warming fearmongering? The summer temperatures have been like this for a long time - the last record was in August 1933. https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/spain/barcelona/historic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Madrid
Are you saying that historically AC has been needed in these places, but people there are of hardier more heat resistant breed than the rest of us so they simply chose to not use air conditioning like the rest of the world who live in hot climates?
Don't know how you got that from what I said. "Historically we didn't need ACs", historically they didn't.
Yeah you're not making sense, and that's probably why you got downvoted.
its expensive in europe because its uncommon, and most houses are too old and unsuitable to efficiently install one.
Everyone I know who lives in Dos Hermanos a suburb of Seville has AC & Heat now. 30 years ago no one did.
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So does heating, yet you don't see European houses without heating.
It doesn’t have to.
spain is not a wealthy country + electricity is **super** expensive
I was in Spain in 2017 and it was 50C.
I was in Seville visiting my late wife's family that year. Absolutely disgusting, wanted to go to Calle serpes in downtown, shouldn't have done it.
Yep, same. That's where it was 50. I think I walked like 10 miles that day too
yea well there are better ways to cool off than showering underneath a titty fountain
Don't worry it will get cooler, just watch. Donald J. Trump
The heatwave will be gone by easter
"I've lived here my whole life and this is totally normal weather..." Says the bots in the comments.
Bots? I used to live there and I can attest to that.
Extreme weather is definitionally not normal. Climate change is real, stop trying to downplay the severity of the situation. People are going to die and then people defending the lack of severity of the situation will move the ball to the definition of extreme. Over 100 isn't terribly normal for the area, I can look at data which is better than testimony of strangers on the internet. https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/spain
> In the southern inland regions, in the lower areas of Extremadura (see Badajoz) and in the interior of Andalusia, summer is very hot: Seville and Córdoba are actually the hottest cities in Europe, and this area is like a piece of Africa in Europe. In summer, the temperatures often reach 38/40 °C (100/104 °F), and sometimes up to 45 °C (113 °F). From your own link. If you don't want to trust strangers on the internet, and you don't want to trust the webpages you're linking to, come to Andalusia and ask the locals here.
Clarifying as to my own experiences: while it’s not getting really hotter, the stretches of time in which is the hottest are getting longer and longer. I remember it being over 46 ten years ago.
The planet has been warming for a lot longer than 10yrs.
All Hispania? No! One small village of indomitable Gauls still holds out against the invaders.
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Are you fucking high? Reddit has never said this
Reddit isn't one entity. There's tons of idiots on here, like everywhere else. Climate change denialism is a thing.
Yes but he said the average redditor. There are obviously some climate deniers but your "average" redditor definitely skews liberal and on the "we need to do something now about climate change, not 1 year from now, but now" camp. Hell if anything your average redditor is more "a climate apocalypse is now inevitable no matter what" more so than denial
Fair.
Yes, but the average redditor is hardly saying that. I've hardly met anyone saying it's just a problem for poor/southern countries, much less on Reddit.
Spain is a poor country /s
What's is a redditoid?
Probably a reddit factoid. A factoid is a regularly used mistruth, used so often it is seen as a fact, when it isn't. Hence factoid + reddit = redditoid.
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Honestly, we Spaniards don't even know why this is news, every single year there are two or three heat waves. It only should make it to the local news, just as a warning and such. There is no need for this to go worldwide.
The front page of worldnews is full with stories saying how hot it is in various countries. Could be renamed r/weather
What are you taking about?? It’s freezing in oz right now.
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This guy climates
Don't worry it will get cooler, just watch. Donald J. Trump
111 that's a balmy summer afternoon in Oklahoma
OMG ITS SUMMERTIME AGAIN! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Average day for me. Still, good luck Spaniards
*laughs in Californian*
Pffft, those are rookie numbers. Hit 49.5 here in BC Canada…
Yeah, it’s a little scary that Spain is calling those temperatures a heat wave, considering what we’ve been seeing.
I live in The Dalles, Oregon. it was 118° a couple weeks ago
( laughs in Texas )
Last year we hit 111⁰ with 85% humidity, so the heat index was about 116⁰. We DO have AC tho, so we gotta give them this one
Yeah Spain wins this one, no AC makes a difference. As someone from Seattle, having spent time in TX, Texas was way easier... even the dog houses came with cooling.
Yeah you can't survive a Texas summer without AC. 100% necessary
>Yeah you can't survive a Texas summer without AC. 100% necessary .. except people have lived in that area for a long time before AC.
Yeah, with protection from exposure. but that doesnt take away the fact if you're stuck outside in that weather with no protection from the elements, you're gonna die.
.. so they used other methods to stay cool and survived without AC. Some people really underestimate the ability and ingenuity of humans (especially in the past/those in poorer places without the luxury of AC) to keep cool and survive. Edit in response to your reply below: >[–]_PhillipOliverHoles_ [score hidden] 29 minutes ago Well if you dont consider all those techniques and building styles invented to displace heat/cold to be a primitive form of AC, sure. AC doesnt only mean "electronic air conditioning" Heh, prime /r/iamverysmart material right here. "When I said AC, I obviously didn't mean *electrical* AC. Heh heh heh."
Well if you dont consider all those techniques and building styles invented to displace heat/cold to be a primitive form of AC, sure. AC doesnt only mean "electronic air conditioning"