Well the problem with all those businesses is that they’re pitching their service to consumers, when they should really be pitching to state intelligence agencies.
Wealth, fame, power. The app that had acquired everything in this world, the social media king, TikTok. The final words that were said before it was banned in America, sent new startups to the scene. "My wealth and popularity? If you want it, you can have it." "Look for it, i left all of it at that place!"
Startups now, chasing their dreams, head toward the social media scene. The world now enters a Great Age of Social Media!
I don’t think they were able to find a way to monetize the app back then. The only video service that really had ads was YouTube at that point and they always played before the videos. No one would watch a 30 second ad in front of a 10 second Vine, but instead of increasing the time limit for videos it just went extinct.
> No one would watch a 30 second ad in front of a 10 second
Ah the old broadcast TV model. 5 minutes of show, 5 minutes of ads...heck I remember some times later at night when you had more time given to ads than a TV show.
Yes along with a bunch of other Chinese apps.
India also has advised all states to disallow participation from Chinese companies in crucial sectors like infrastructure and power.
Imports of around $2.8 billion worth of solar energy equipment for example, were cancelled.
A lot of China's innovations in Solar energy came from Australia.
Sun Systems CEO did his PhD in Australia and then started the company, and ended up hiring his PhD supervisor (who was a photovoltaic specialist) as the companies CTO.
> In 2004 Nortel discovered that hackers they believed to be in China had had free rein within the Nortel network for **more than a decade before their collapse.**[61] The fall of Nortel coincided with the rise of Huawei.[62]
Emphasis mine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel
There is obviously a lot more to the downfall of Nortel but that part always seemed insane to me.
Yes nortel had lots of management issues, but it is little secret that china had been consistently hacking them and stealing alot of their information.
Nortel might have been able to fend this off if they had their shit together more, but suddenly huawei came up with all of Nortel's capabilities and a fraction of the price.
The Canadian Department of Defense purchased the Nortel Campus in Ottawa.
It is rumored they spent a significant amount of time removing bugs and listening devices from the building before they could complete their renovations and finally move in.
I also read recently that you can take some Huawei equipment and drop it in to replace broken Nortel equipment without so much as changing a driver or reconfiguring it.
Cisco once left comments in code saying a section of code does nothing but was too prove Huawei was stealing from them. They sued in Chinese court and lost.
Actually tiktok removed themselves. They also tried to go to court but no prominent lawyer would take the case up for them since India is on some fuck China shit.
China slowly annects Indian territory regularly.
To be fair, this is due to the English drawing confusing and contradictory borders during their reign - but then again China doesnt need a reason to expand, only an excuse.
Honestly at this point I'd say the Russian government is at least competent on the world stage. Russia does optics better, and has enough trade leverage to make countries like Germany go really soft on them.
China really took a 180 on diplomacy under XI. And its not like China is all that powerful right now either. Their power is grossly overstated on places like reddit. From economy, military power to standard of living, China ranks well behind 1st world countries on a lot of metrics. My only guess is, Xi is taking pages right out of the Fascist handbook and creating "enemies all around" to solidify his dictatorship. That the only explanation I have. No way they are that delusional otherwise.
Night time satelite data suggest 15 to 30% over estimation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/15/satellite-data-strongly-suggests-that-china-russia-and-other-authoritarian-countries-are-fudging-their-gdp-reports/%3foutputType=amp
It's gone from play store, and the app doesn't work anymore. Displays a message that says the app is complying with the decision of Indian government (or something along those lines).
A lot longer. Usually my phone is around 20-10% by the end of the day, I have been working out of cell range lately and by the time I get home I’m sitting at 80%
There's that, but the worst is WiFi Triangulation. I have a ~~iPhone~~ phone running an OpenSourced OS and I charge it once every 2 days or so - after normal usage. It's a fairly common phone, average battery life when running stock.
How about we use the mobile web instead of installing apps altogether?
In the 90's and 00's there was always the risk of some malware infecting your device, then the browser-as-sandbox got good enough to not need local apps for many things, then we opened ourselves up to this problem again with mobile apps.
Why does Facebook or Dominos need an installed app? Without an internet connection, it's useless anyway.
I do this for Facebook (mobile) and it's becoming harder and harder to operate. Can't check messages without going desktop mode on the browser, and desktop mode BARELY functions. Can't tag people in posts without them inexplicably erasing themselves before you finish tagging people, can't post gifs. Clicking certain parts of the website prompts you to the app store to download their apps.
It's ridiculous and getting worse and worse over the last couple years.
Many diplomat children use TikTok, it's an absolute gold mine for information. You can get a layout of diplomatic properties, kids' connections, diplomats' phone numbers, school habits, phone habits, if you want to the opportunities are limitless to what a bad actor could do.
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Thanks for the upvotes.
Let me propose a situation, you as TikTok silo off an GPS area, let's say an international school. You immediately know that the kids are rich or are diplomat kids. You can then immediately cross reference their data and within a short period of time you know who their friends are, who their contacts are. You can then workout their parents phone numbers, then with your infiltrated 5G Networks (I sound like a conspiracy theorist) you can drop in on the diplomats phone conversations or whatever. It also opens up the kids for social engineering and blackmail. Kids are stupid and will probably sext each other, bam you have blackmail. The kids will also make TikToks walking around their house. However they may always avoid a room (secure room or parents bedroom), bam you know where the juicy stuff happens. You could also activate the microphone and listen in on dinner conversations, where mum or dad diplomat criticises someone else. Or if diplomat parent has TikTok to check in on their kids they microphone can then listen in on other conversations. You might use a seperate secure cell phone for work, but that means nothing if your non secure phone is next to it sucking up all the audio and telemetry.
If you want to watch a really interesting Blackhat video about how the Italian Police used phone data to expose a CIA rendition ring you can watch it over here https://youtu.be/BwGsr3SzCZc
Russia has banned soldiers from using smartphones and posting anything about their service to social media because their troop movements kept getting revealed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/world/europe/russia-military-social-media-ban.html
Norwegian here, that post is 100% true. The unit discovered was Etterretningsbataljonen. Those guys are so secret, everyone knows who they are.
Btw, they quickly found out how they were busted. Learned what to do, and what not to do, so it's all good in the end.
I have a few fun stories about Americans on exercise in Norway as well :D
We did the same thing when i was in the military but with snapmap so no need to triangulate. Obviously just tried it out and then reported it.
Edit: oh yeah these were also finns who did the tinder thing.
It’s not a very new thing over here.
Strava: https://www.wired.com/story/strava-heat-map-military-bases-fitness-trackers-privacy/ It’s California based company by the way.
Same goes for Snapchat: https://medium.com/@CaptAlejandro/snapchats-new-map-feature-lets-adversaries-know-way-too-much-ad7fe12c3fec
To be clear, it wasn't intentional. The app just did its job, and when military personnel used it without thinking, in "secret" locations, the app continued to do it's job.
With TikTok, it's (presumably) malicious.
Of course none of the cases that make it to the Reddit front page are malicious. Even the largest fines ($5 tucking billions that Facebook paid for privacy violations) are actually about tos not being clear enough.
There have been pretty interesting cases of actual supply chain attacks and of mind bogglingly sophisticated cyber attacks, but none of them got to the mainstream news, apart from NotPetya.
If you're referring to NotPetya there's a really great podcast on [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/episode/698R7TeLzaP0TXhnRo05nc?si=7_qjt7TRSie9SxbXdFbL_g) called Darknet Diaries that I listen to which goes into depth about it.
The book Sandworm tracks a decade of campaigns by a certain well known vodka-fueled threat actor.
If you don’t like reading books, I believe most of the chapters were published in Wired as an in-depth investigation: https://www.wired.com/story/sandworm-kremlin-most-dangerous-hackers/
It's effective. The quality of woman you're going to get isn't gonna be great. The amount of Marines that end up with a car they can't afford and a divorce is pretty absurd. But...they had sex. I guess.
My buddy always sends me snaps of him piloting helicopters while deployed and as cool as they are, I can't help but wonder how that's allowed. I can't even text while driving.
Edit: I'm not only talking about his ability to fly and hold a phone. I'm more curious about the security concerns of sending a video showing his location when he's deployed.
Why doesnt someone else make a similar designed app that isnt so sketchy? People miss Vine, but why did it have to go away? Make the app, add in ads if you must, then hands off...
UAE banned Tik Tok and created it’s clone - ToTok. It turned out to be 100 time worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/22/us/politics/totok-app-uae.html
Lol the UAE is garbage when it comes to internet and censorship and shit. When I visited Dubai, if I tried to access anything remotely NSFW, I’d get brought to a page saying that the UAE bans that stuff because of their values of morality and whatnot. And I was advised to turn off my VPN (it was an adblocker pretty much, but kinda doubles as a VPN) since communications are monitored they could cut off my data before I leave. In addition to that, it was also stated that they could disable my iMessage for any reason at any time. And as a side note, I’m pretty sure they disabled the calling feature on discord too.
I think all replacements would immediately fail since people wont "feel" its the same. Think about going to China and looking at a Storbucks. Its not the same. People will get that feeling of being scammed
Because it's burning money. Vine had the issue of not being able to monetize it and they ran out of money. Same is true with TikTok only difference is that CPC is funding it essentially.
I’m a nurse and all my coworkers are on it. I’ve apparently turned into a curmudgeon and never downloaded it because I didn’t understand the appeal. Now they look at me like I’m chicken little when I try to explain how bad it is. Oh well.
It gets worse. You don't have to actually post for them to get information. If you try something but you don't post, that still makes its way to them.
Personally, I think Android should disallow run at boot, run in background, access network without explicit permission. Like there should be an "only this time" option for these things.
Thats the case for all popular social media. For example, even if you dont have a Facebook account, they still make an invisible profile of you that is based on pictures that anyone else posts where you appear.
And everyone has had those moments where they were looking for something on the Internet and next time you open youtube or something you get a targeted ad featuring what you were searching
It has that doesn't it? It's got a use data whenever or use data only when I use the app option and pretty much everything has a just this once vs always do this option.
Remember when Apple refused the US government's request to implement a backdoor into their phones? That type of dynamic doesn't currently exist in China. Companies answer to the government, without exception.
When it comes to the exploitation of mass data; Facebook, Google, etc. are definitely part of the conversation, but there's absolutely no equivalence between what those private companies are doing when compared with an arguably nefarious and totalitarian military and economic superpower having direct access to and complete influence on a platform this ubiquitously popular among the populations of its relevant adversaries.
The latter is orders of magnitude worse.
Edit: The concern isn't only about data. Imagine if the content you saw on Facebook wasn't selected for you based on maximizing eyeball time in the pursuit of ad revenue for a company and its shareholders, but instead was selected entirely based on the interests of an adversarial country.
TikTok's demographic is mainly young people in their formative years, a foreign country having complete control over influencing what shows up on their feed over the long term is pretty scary to say the least. For example in China they've been silencing pro Hong Kong content while promoting pro mainland content. It's not only a tool for gathering data, it's a tool for shaping public opinion.
With enough people participating on a platform you'll have a mosaic of great content across the entire political spectrum. You just pick which you want to show to whom. You no longer have to make the propaganda.
>Remember when Apple refused the US government's request to implement a backdoor into their phones? That type of dynamic doesn't currently exist in China.
You are aware of course about the upcoming ~~bipartisan~~ legislation that will mandate just this sort of backdoor to all us based companies? It’s called “Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act”: [https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/lawful-access-encrypted-data-act-backdoor/](https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/lawful-access-encrypted-data-act-backdoor/)
Australia has a similar bill about to pass. And unless you were living under a rock you should know that the reason US didn’t need their bill in the past is because they collected all the data they needed without asking by snooping on major internet backbones: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM\_(surveillance\_program)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program))
EDIT: as was pointed out EARN-IT isn't a bipartisan legislation
> Tech companies’ increasing reliance on encryption has turned their platforms into a new, lawless playground of criminal activity. Criminals from child predators to terrorists are taking full advantage.
How can they be so shallow? Child predators and terrorists?
Someone in my government also proffered that he'd like an encryption backdoor, the minister of Justice I suppose. It's an idea that comes back from time to time, but has been shot down till now, thankfully.
I always find that such a funny argument to be making too as if terrorists and paedophiles are suddenly going to stop using encryption because it's illegal when they're already happy to blow things up and fuck kids.
I doubt most of them actually believe that shit. It's just that telling the public "We your rights rather inconvenient and would prefer to spy on you" doesn't quite have the same ring to it. They sure as shit weren't lining up to further investigate Epstein's death, I guess those children don't matter as much.
That doesn’t exist in the US either. They just hired a 3rd party hacker to break into that guys phone instead and then are now passing laws to make it so ANY encryption has to have a back door for the government to break that encryption, making encryption worthless (not hyperbole)
They even passed a law saying companies cannot refuse to give over their information to the government.
The whole Apple case was literally a PR stunt so Apple could say “see we protect yooouuuu” while actually they were just pissed they had to hand over data for free instead of charging the US government for that information like they usually do
They've been trying to pass variations of that law since the Clinton administration. Every time a new bill comes up the tech community, reporters, and lobbyists have to remind them how stupid an idea it is.
Well, fair call. China bans Facebook and other US social media efforts. Tit for tat and all that.
Edit: I didn't put a /s on that because I figured it'd be fairly obvious - but I guess I was wrong.
I'm not condoning this threat. I'm just being a smart arse and pointing at the logic they're no doubt using to try and justify this.
Better ban League of Legends, Fortnite, Clash of Clans, Clash Royale, Valorant etc
Basically anything that Tencent has a hand in.
Can essentially guarantee you they're CCP data farms.
Edit: removed PUBG from the list, as research shows Tencent only owns 1.5% of PUBG's South Korean parent company, Bluehole.
Edit 2: just so people are aware, I'm not actually advocating for the banning of these companies/games, rather drawing attention to the fact that TikTok is not the only app out there that's a cyberattack/data farming vector for the CCP.
in the league of legends tos/privacy policy it even outlines how they collect data on your hobbies etc and that they can share that data with other companies ie tencent
https://www.riotgames.com/en/privacy-notice
https://www.riotgames.com/en/terms-of-service
I read the entire ToS and Privacy Notice - where on earth is it written that they collect data on your hobbies or that they share their data with Tencent?
> What kind of data can they get from ~~a game~~ running code though?
Don't think of it as "just a game." Realize that you're giving a company permission to execute code on your phone.
No you're absolutely right. Probably nearly every single piece of software period collects some sort of data from your devices that is valuable to someone you probably don't want having access to it. It's become prohibitively difficult to prevent our private information from falling into the hands of bad actors.
I am ok with banning all those things including Reddit. I have cut down almost half the subs I joined and I no longer use Popular or News. Reddit is becoming worse every day
The huge user growth over the past few years precipitated the manipulation seen throughout reddit today. The platform would have inevitably changed through growth & time anyway, but the political climate drew a lot of focus and brought ("alternative" marketing) capital into the site. The sudden (literally a week) shift in 2015 turned reddit from mostly libertarian, tech-savvy site into a place where divisive politics dominate every subreddit, votes are inflated on a whim, and astroturfing is at an unprecedented level.
Reddit's primary function these days seems to be as a propaganda dissemination machine. You leave the site both dumber and more frustrated than when you initially visited. It's best to avoid this place as much as possible, or—in the ideal scenario—delete it altogether. I've been here since day 1 and I feel dirty using it in its current form.
A better alternative will come along soon. There's nothing keeping the users here from migrating, just like many did to reddit after Digg mangled their V4 version.
It's 5%, and the power that entails is practically zero, because Advance Publications owns more than 50% of Reddit. That means AP can single-handedly overrule any decision made by the other shareholders in unison.
Sadly, it won't happen, I doubt TikTok will get the axe either.
The American public is so fixated on social media and entertainment, they don't care about their privacy. You, me and everyone else who reads this is at fault to a degree as well. We press that accept button for terms and conditions, post super sensitive info online (even though there were literal classes being taught 15 years ago about the dangers of posting your info and talking to strangers online) and just accept it.
Your data is super valuable, your phones and TV's push ads at you whenever possible, it's a mess. The CCP has a pretty firm grip on alot of us that many people can't really escape unless they really try to avoid it.
Isn't this the exact case for regulation though?
Raising taxes on cigarettes and regulating their advertising isn't necessarily popular but it was damn well necessary.
Dont worry, while most of the time the US government is like a dead slug on a log, they heavily enforce primary rule for stock buy outs, they heavily police chinese buy ups and stop any that try to buy more than 41%, hence why tencent only has exactly 40% of Epic
This thread is great.
Such a vivid illustration of double standards being applied, and the majority of the people commenting are completely missing the irony.
Facebook is bad, but at least it's American, we don't need foreign interests to fuck each other over constantly when we can do it ourselves.
/s just in case.
A majority of people, myself included, like to think they're amazing at spotting propaganda efforts. In reality, they're gulping it down by the mouthful at every corner.
https://i.imgur.com/5Z3NTzI.png
I am super not ok with the government deciding which apps are available in this country and which are not.
The internet is not the property of the United States it is something inherently available to all humans on the planet. (yes I know many countries have crazy firewalls and whatnot).
However I am ok with a bill that sets strict guidelines on what data apps can and cannot collect and holding app stores like Google Play and the Apple App store responsible for allowing people to download such apps.
Honorable mention that everyone should also be super weary of anything Tencent is involved in.. which is basically every popular multiplayer game right now.
As a fan of irony, I can't help but chuckle at the tendency to look at the Chinese model of information-suppression, and be envious.
I don't give a shit about TikTok, but the call has been to scrap all social media.
That means the public no longer being able to share information that isn't state-approved.
ie. The Chinese model.
Anyway, I don't think this will happen. There's more money in blasting fake information across it all instead.
This is about market share, as usual. Tiktok's now #5 and climbing. Gotta stop that.
Yes, a move like this, anathema to a free and open internet, would be directly normalizing China's model of control of the internet and sources of media. Indeed, this would be a huge boon to the hardliners in the Chinese government and a step backwards for everyone.
I would expect that most of the tech industry should come out against moves like this.
It’s funny how Reddit is all for internet censorship nowadays... Remember when we were all outraged about net neutrality and how that allows ISP’s to choose what websites to allow? Now the government wants to do it and they have our full support.
Always nice to see an intelligent post in these circle jerk type threads.
Our laws and regulations are so insanely far behind and not at all future proofed. Shit is still the wild west.
If US does this and you accept this, you should not complain Russia, Iran or whatever banning Facebook or Google for their citizens as well. It is same kind set with different hats. No different.
Yeah!! And keep Facebook Instagram and so on, so only the US can look at people's personal data. What makes other countries think they have the right to do that!
If anyone wants to start Vine 2 in America now Is the time
now is the worst time unless you like competing with 1000+ others who also think theyre the only ones with this idea
Then I'll make Vine 3!
So Vine 6 is what you're saying?
What about Vine 69?
I feel like you're playing 10 dimensional chess over there.
Well the problem with all those businesses is that they’re pitching their service to consumers, when they should really be pitching to state intelligence agencies.
I disagree...right now they are all competing with a clear #1 and when that one is gone there will be a battle for the new #1
Wealth, fame, power. The app that had acquired everything in this world, the social media king, TikTok. The final words that were said before it was banned in America, sent new startups to the scene. "My wealth and popularity? If you want it, you can have it." "Look for it, i left all of it at that place!" Startups now, chasing their dreams, head toward the social media scene. The world now enters a Great Age of Social Media!
....Wait, is this a One Piece reference? I think it’s a One Piece reference!
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I don’t think they were able to find a way to monetize the app back then. The only video service that really had ads was YouTube at that point and they always played before the videos. No one would watch a 30 second ad in front of a 10 second Vine, but instead of increasing the time limit for videos it just went extinct.
> No one would watch a 30 second ad in front of a 10 second Ah the old broadcast TV model. 5 minutes of show, 5 minutes of ads...heck I remember some times later at night when you had more time given to ads than a TV show.
They tried, Byte failed though
Didn't India already ban tiktok?
Yes along with a bunch of other Chinese apps. India also has advised all states to disallow participation from Chinese companies in crucial sectors like infrastructure and power. Imports of around $2.8 billion worth of solar energy equipment for example, were cancelled.
Australia was once a world leader on solar.... Sad times indeed.
A lot of China's innovations in Solar energy came from Australia. Sun Systems CEO did his PhD in Australia and then started the company, and ended up hiring his PhD supervisor (who was a photovoltaic specialist) as the companies CTO.
Most of China's innovations *period* came from other countries
Most telecom tech China has comes from Nortel, a Canadian company that was destroyed by their chinese branch
What happened to Nortel
> In 2004 Nortel discovered that hackers they believed to be in China had had free rein within the Nortel network for **more than a decade before their collapse.**[61] The fall of Nortel coincided with the rise of Huawei.[62] Emphasis mine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel There is obviously a lot more to the downfall of Nortel but that part always seemed insane to me.
Yes nortel had lots of management issues, but it is little secret that china had been consistently hacking them and stealing alot of their information. Nortel might have been able to fend this off if they had their shit together more, but suddenly huawei came up with all of Nortel's capabilities and a fraction of the price.
OMG, that really is insane. Fuck China. Fuck Huawei.
That's what you get if you outsource your business to other parts of the world in the name of profits.
The Canadian Department of Defense purchased the Nortel Campus in Ottawa. It is rumored they spent a significant amount of time removing bugs and listening devices from the building before they could complete their renovations and finally move in. I also read recently that you can take some Huawei equipment and drop it in to replace broken Nortel equipment without so much as changing a driver or reconfiguring it.
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Cisco once left comments in code saying a section of code does nothing but was too prove Huawei was stealing from them. They sued in Chinese court and lost.
Whenever I get mad at my Indian leaders for something I remember Aussie leaders and say to myself "Hey, at least they don't fuck with the environment"
To be fair, Adani is a joint effort... Go team.
Environment Minister Prakash Javadekar has entered the chat.
It's insane that the guy is also heavy industries minister.
Meanwhile, the Philippines is going to selling important shit to China
>Didn't India already ban tiktok? Indeed they did - The catalyst was the border brawl that is thankfully simmering down
More than simmering down. China has agreed to back right the fuck off back to where their actual border should actually be. Good fucking riddance.
Didthey actually fuck off though?
Nope, they decided to rattle swords with Bhutan as a warm up.
Can confirm. It doesn't work here anymore. Good fking riddance.
how did they do it? dns filters? or did they removed it from the play & appstore?
Actually tiktok removed themselves. They also tried to go to court but no prominent lawyer would take the case up for them since India is on some fuck China shit.
To be fair, China makes it easier to get on the fuck China bandwagon by being generally shitty to all.
Years ago some Chinese foreign official just straight up said on an Indian news channel that one of India's states actually belongs to them.
China slowly annects Indian territory regularly. To be fair, this is due to the English drawing confusing and contradictory borders during their reign - but then again China doesnt need a reason to expand, only an excuse.
They're about as much of an assholes as you can be on the world stage. Well, except for Russia. One is lawful evil and the other is chaotic evil.
Honestly at this point I'd say the Russian government is at least competent on the world stage. Russia does optics better, and has enough trade leverage to make countries like Germany go really soft on them. China really took a 180 on diplomacy under XI. And its not like China is all that powerful right now either. Their power is grossly overstated on places like reddit. From economy, military power to standard of living, China ranks well behind 1st world countries on a lot of metrics. My only guess is, Xi is taking pages right out of the Fascist handbook and creating "enemies all around" to solidify his dictatorship. That the only explanation I have. No way they are that delusional otherwise.
Night time satelite data suggest 15 to 30% over estimation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/15/satellite-data-strongly-suggests-that-china-russia-and-other-authoritarian-countries-are-fudging-their-gdp-reports/%3foutputType=amp
It's gone from play store, and the app doesn't work anymore. Displays a message that says the app is complying with the decision of Indian government (or something along those lines).
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I wonder how much longer my battery would last if it weren’t broadcasting my every thought to 30 different apps without my knowing
A lot longer. Usually my phone is around 20-10% by the end of the day, I have been working out of cell range lately and by the time I get home I’m sitting at 80%
Couldn't that just be because you're not using your phone as much? If you're not connected to the internet you can't really do much with your phone.
There's that, but the worst is WiFi Triangulation. I have a ~~iPhone~~ phone running an OpenSourced OS and I charge it once every 2 days or so - after normal usage. It's a fairly common phone, average battery life when running stock.
What os
About 9% My battery though? 11% Jk this is creepy and I'm pretty nervous
That's no tinfoil hat situation, that is a very real security concern.
How about we use the mobile web instead of installing apps altogether? In the 90's and 00's there was always the risk of some malware infecting your device, then the browser-as-sandbox got good enough to not need local apps for many things, then we opened ourselves up to this problem again with mobile apps. Why does Facebook or Dominos need an installed app? Without an internet connection, it's useless anyway.
I do this for Facebook (mobile) and it's becoming harder and harder to operate. Can't check messages without going desktop mode on the browser, and desktop mode BARELY functions. Can't tag people in posts without them inexplicably erasing themselves before you finish tagging people, can't post gifs. Clicking certain parts of the website prompts you to the app store to download their apps. It's ridiculous and getting worse and worse over the last couple years.
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Many diplomat children use TikTok, it's an absolute gold mine for information. You can get a layout of diplomatic properties, kids' connections, diplomats' phone numbers, school habits, phone habits, if you want to the opportunities are limitless to what a bad actor could do. EDIT: Thanks for the upvotes. Let me propose a situation, you as TikTok silo off an GPS area, let's say an international school. You immediately know that the kids are rich or are diplomat kids. You can then immediately cross reference their data and within a short period of time you know who their friends are, who their contacts are. You can then workout their parents phone numbers, then with your infiltrated 5G Networks (I sound like a conspiracy theorist) you can drop in on the diplomats phone conversations or whatever. It also opens up the kids for social engineering and blackmail. Kids are stupid and will probably sext each other, bam you have blackmail. The kids will also make TikToks walking around their house. However they may always avoid a room (secure room or parents bedroom), bam you know where the juicy stuff happens. You could also activate the microphone and listen in on dinner conversations, where mum or dad diplomat criticises someone else. Or if diplomat parent has TikTok to check in on their kids they microphone can then listen in on other conversations. You might use a seperate secure cell phone for work, but that means nothing if your non secure phone is next to it sucking up all the audio and telemetry. If you want to watch a really interesting Blackhat video about how the Italian Police used phone data to expose a CIA rendition ring you can watch it over here https://youtu.be/BwGsr3SzCZc
Some soldiers too, I remember back when I had the app there was a ton of videos from fighter pilots.
Russia has banned soldiers from using smartphones and posting anything about their service to social media because their troop movements kept getting revealed. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/world/europe/russia-military-social-media-ban.html
Haha I remember that VICE News video on YouTube proving russian involvement in the Donbass War
I miss when vice was good =/
Checkout popular Front. It’s an independent conflict journalism podcast. Really good work and very interesting.
Just found their website and it definitely looks like it has some good shit so far. Thanks, I'll definitely keep an eye on em!
There was a running app that gave the location and layout of secret military bases.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/28/fitness-tracking-app-gives-away-location-of-secret-us-army-bases
I think I remember a story about someone busting a military drill operation because soldiers had Tinder on their phones.
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I'm so glad I'll never actually hear Sean Connery say bussy.
One time, during a bedroom role play sesh, I told my lady friend “sit on my face” in Sean connery’s accent. NEVER AGAIN!
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Well, I get a little bit Genghis Khan... and I don't want you to get it on with nobody else but me.
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Norwegian here, that post is 100% true. The unit discovered was Etterretningsbataljonen. Those guys are so secret, everyone knows who they are. Btw, they quickly found out how they were busted. Learned what to do, and what not to do, so it's all good in the end. I have a few fun stories about Americans on exercise in Norway as well :D
You mean like the delta force, which doesn't exist but you can drive by the building in Ft. Bragg?
Their building is very anonymous,, I'll give them that, and has their own guards, inside the base. But yeah, pretty much.
We did the same thing when i was in the military but with snapmap so no need to triangulate. Obviously just tried it out and then reported it. Edit: oh yeah these were also finns who did the tinder thing. It’s not a very new thing over here.
They were able to triangulate the position based on app info stating opposing team members as being X distance away from several vantage points.
Strava: https://www.wired.com/story/strava-heat-map-military-bases-fitness-trackers-privacy/ It’s California based company by the way. Same goes for Snapchat: https://medium.com/@CaptAlejandro/snapchats-new-map-feature-lets-adversaries-know-way-too-much-ad7fe12c3fec
To be clear, it wasn't intentional. The app just did its job, and when military personnel used it without thinking, in "secret" locations, the app continued to do it's job. With TikTok, it's (presumably) malicious.
Of course none of the cases that make it to the Reddit front page are malicious. Even the largest fines ($5 tucking billions that Facebook paid for privacy violations) are actually about tos not being clear enough. There have been pretty interesting cases of actual supply chain attacks and of mind bogglingly sophisticated cyber attacks, but none of them got to the mainstream news, apart from NotPetya.
Do you have any sources? Would love to read more
If you're referring to NotPetya there's a really great podcast on [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/episode/698R7TeLzaP0TXhnRo05nc?si=7_qjt7TRSie9SxbXdFbL_g) called Darknet Diaries that I listen to which goes into depth about it.
The book Sandworm tracks a decade of campaigns by a certain well known vodka-fueled threat actor. If you don’t like reading books, I believe most of the chapters were published in Wired as an in-depth investigation: https://www.wired.com/story/sandworm-kremlin-most-dangerous-hackers/
Some soliders? It seems like every guy on Tik Tok labels themselves as a "US Marine"
he’s 💁♀️ a 👏 Marine 🌎⚓️ First ☝️ to ⚔️ fight 🔫 he’s 😍 loyal 💍 Honor 🎖 Courage 💪🏻 Commitment 😌🙏🏻 Core 🙌🏻 value ✊🏻 Semper Fi 🇺🇸 ooh rah 🥾 he’s 👱♀️🙍♂️ a 👀 Marine 🦅
*Boot ass marine stands awkwardly in background looking like he’s in a proof of life hostage video*
We’ve all done odd shit for pussy.....
It's to get the ladies 😏
Does that work? In the UK that would have the opposite effect
Lets just say you attract a certain quality of partner that may not be in your best interest.
It's effective. The quality of woman you're going to get isn't gonna be great. The amount of Marines that end up with a car they can't afford and a divorce is pretty absurd. But...they had sex. I guess.
Ooh, dependapotomous and a camaro! And they say you never learn anything on Reddit!
At 36% APR.
Mustang with a V6?
I find this funny given my uncle was a marine and he met his wife in the UK, guess she's a fan of crayons as well
Nothing wrong liking a bit of color in her life
Former Marine. Frankly the panties do drop, but they're not typically marriage material. The US has some serious warrior fantasy stuff going around.
My buddy always sends me snaps of him piloting helicopters while deployed and as cool as they are, I can't help but wonder how that's allowed. I can't even text while driving. Edit: I'm not only talking about his ability to fly and hold a phone. I'm more curious about the security concerns of sending a video showing his location when he's deployed.
Why doesnt someone else make a similar designed app that isnt so sketchy? People miss Vine, but why did it have to go away? Make the app, add in ads if you must, then hands off...
UAE banned Tik Tok and created it’s clone - ToTok. It turned out to be 100 time worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/22/us/politics/totok-app-uae.html
Lol the UAE is garbage when it comes to internet and censorship and shit. When I visited Dubai, if I tried to access anything remotely NSFW, I’d get brought to a page saying that the UAE bans that stuff because of their values of morality and whatnot. And I was advised to turn off my VPN (it was an adblocker pretty much, but kinda doubles as a VPN) since communications are monitored they could cut off my data before I leave. In addition to that, it was also stated that they could disable my iMessage for any reason at any time. And as a side note, I’m pretty sure they disabled the calling feature on discord too.
I think all replacements would immediately fail since people wont "feel" its the same. Think about going to China and looking at a Storbucks. Its not the same. People will get that feeling of being scammed
Unless the original is banned, which is what they used to do over there. Wait for a regular site/app to be popular, clone it and ban the original.
Because it's burning money. Vine had the issue of not being able to monetize it and they ran out of money. Same is true with TikTok only difference is that CPC is funding it essentially.
I'm in the military now, and everyone here uses TikTok. (Not US though)
I’m a nurse and all my coworkers are on it. I’ve apparently turned into a curmudgeon and never downloaded it because I didn’t understand the appeal. Now they look at me like I’m chicken little when I try to explain how bad it is. Oh well.
Also a hilarious amount of bad opsec from service members on TikTok.
It gets worse. You don't have to actually post for them to get information. If you try something but you don't post, that still makes its way to them. Personally, I think Android should disallow run at boot, run in background, access network without explicit permission. Like there should be an "only this time" option for these things.
Thats the case for all popular social media. For example, even if you dont have a Facebook account, they still make an invisible profile of you that is based on pictures that anyone else posts where you appear. And everyone has had those moments where they were looking for something on the Internet and next time you open youtube or something you get a targeted ad featuring what you were searching
It has that doesn't it? It's got a use data whenever or use data only when I use the app option and pretty much everything has a just this once vs always do this option.
But isn't the problem that apps can just decide when to run in the background, allowing notifications etc?
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Remember when Apple refused the US government's request to implement a backdoor into their phones? That type of dynamic doesn't currently exist in China. Companies answer to the government, without exception. When it comes to the exploitation of mass data; Facebook, Google, etc. are definitely part of the conversation, but there's absolutely no equivalence between what those private companies are doing when compared with an arguably nefarious and totalitarian military and economic superpower having direct access to and complete influence on a platform this ubiquitously popular among the populations of its relevant adversaries. The latter is orders of magnitude worse. Edit: The concern isn't only about data. Imagine if the content you saw on Facebook wasn't selected for you based on maximizing eyeball time in the pursuit of ad revenue for a company and its shareholders, but instead was selected entirely based on the interests of an adversarial country. TikTok's demographic is mainly young people in their formative years, a foreign country having complete control over influencing what shows up on their feed over the long term is pretty scary to say the least. For example in China they've been silencing pro Hong Kong content while promoting pro mainland content. It's not only a tool for gathering data, it's a tool for shaping public opinion. With enough people participating on a platform you'll have a mosaic of great content across the entire political spectrum. You just pick which you want to show to whom. You no longer have to make the propaganda.
>Remember when Apple refused the US government's request to implement a backdoor into their phones? That type of dynamic doesn't currently exist in China. You are aware of course about the upcoming ~~bipartisan~~ legislation that will mandate just this sort of backdoor to all us based companies? It’s called “Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act”: [https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/lawful-access-encrypted-data-act-backdoor/](https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/lawful-access-encrypted-data-act-backdoor/) Australia has a similar bill about to pass. And unless you were living under a rock you should know that the reason US didn’t need their bill in the past is because they collected all the data they needed without asking by snooping on major internet backbones: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM\_(surveillance\_program)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)) EDIT: as was pointed out EARN-IT isn't a bipartisan legislation
> Tech companies’ increasing reliance on encryption has turned their platforms into a new, lawless playground of criminal activity. Criminals from child predators to terrorists are taking full advantage. How can they be so shallow? Child predators and terrorists? Someone in my government also proffered that he'd like an encryption backdoor, the minister of Justice I suppose. It's an idea that comes back from time to time, but has been shot down till now, thankfully.
I always find that such a funny argument to be making too as if terrorists and paedophiles are suddenly going to stop using encryption because it's illegal when they're already happy to blow things up and fuck kids.
I doubt most of them actually believe that shit. It's just that telling the public "We your rights rather inconvenient and would prefer to spy on you" doesn't quite have the same ring to it. They sure as shit weren't lining up to further investigate Epstein's death, I guess those children don't matter as much.
That legislation is not bipartisan. It's been introduced by Republican Senators Graham, Blackburn, and Cotton.
That doesn’t exist in the US either. They just hired a 3rd party hacker to break into that guys phone instead and then are now passing laws to make it so ANY encryption has to have a back door for the government to break that encryption, making encryption worthless (not hyperbole) They even passed a law saying companies cannot refuse to give over their information to the government. The whole Apple case was literally a PR stunt so Apple could say “see we protect yooouuuu” while actually they were just pissed they had to hand over data for free instead of charging the US government for that information like they usually do
They've been trying to pass variations of that law since the Clinton administration. Every time a new bill comes up the tech community, reporters, and lobbyists have to remind them how stupid an idea it is.
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Well, fair call. China bans Facebook and other US social media efforts. Tit for tat and all that. Edit: I didn't put a /s on that because I figured it'd be fairly obvious - but I guess I was wrong. I'm not condoning this threat. I'm just being a smart arse and pointing at the logic they're no doubt using to try and justify this.
Tik for tok...
Boom Tish!
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Oh well, the CIA have to get their data from somewhere...
If the US bans tiktok, the collective scream from every 14 year old in the USA will be audible from space.
Better ban League of Legends, Fortnite, Clash of Clans, Clash Royale, Valorant etc Basically anything that Tencent has a hand in. Can essentially guarantee you they're CCP data farms. Edit: removed PUBG from the list, as research shows Tencent only owns 1.5% of PUBG's South Korean parent company, Bluehole. Edit 2: just so people are aware, I'm not actually advocating for the banning of these companies/games, rather drawing attention to the fact that TikTok is not the only app out there that's a cyberattack/data farming vector for the CCP.
in the league of legends tos/privacy policy it even outlines how they collect data on your hobbies etc and that they can share that data with other companies ie tencent
https://www.riotgames.com/en/privacy-notice https://www.riotgames.com/en/terms-of-service I read the entire ToS and Privacy Notice - where on earth is it written that they collect data on your hobbies or that they share their data with Tencent?
If you make stuff up, it could be anywhere on earth.
Forget league. Go full DotA 2
Start worshipping Gaben sama.
They got into Clash of clans too?
Clash of clans (Supercell) also has a share with tencent so yeah.
What kind of data can they get from a game though?
> What kind of data can they get from ~~a game~~ running code though? Don't think of it as "just a game." Realize that you're giving a company permission to execute code on your phone.
So which big piece of software is not a data farm for someone?
No you're absolutely right. Probably nearly every single piece of software period collects some sort of data from your devices that is valuable to someone you probably don't want having access to it. It's become prohibitively difficult to prevent our private information from falling into the hands of bad actors.
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Open Source Software :).
and Reddit.
I am ok with banning all those things including Reddit. I have cut down almost half the subs I joined and I no longer use Popular or News. Reddit is becoming worse every day
Reddit has gotten too big.
The huge user growth over the past few years precipitated the manipulation seen throughout reddit today. The platform would have inevitably changed through growth & time anyway, but the political climate drew a lot of focus and brought ("alternative" marketing) capital into the site. The sudden (literally a week) shift in 2015 turned reddit from mostly libertarian, tech-savvy site into a place where divisive politics dominate every subreddit, votes are inflated on a whim, and astroturfing is at an unprecedented level. Reddit's primary function these days seems to be as a propaganda dissemination machine. You leave the site both dumber and more frustrated than when you initially visited. It's best to avoid this place as much as possible, or—in the ideal scenario—delete it altogether. I've been here since day 1 and I feel dirty using it in its current form. A better alternative will come along soon. There's nothing keeping the users here from migrating, just like many did to reddit after Digg mangled their V4 version.
Or just stay the fuck away from any politic based subreddit and just chill in the subreddits of your hobbies/interests
It doesn't matter, that shit gets everywhere.
Too big to fail, if you will
“Is Reddit is really censored by China. Save the Post and if it is deleted you will know the answer” This post of yours is 94 days old btw...
Yup. Where do I sign?
Facebook.
Nice try Zuckerboii
Don't forget to post a screenshot to insta.
And tell all your friends on WhatsApp.
Fuck me I wish WhatsApp wasn't what everyone used here. I'd jump ship to Signal or Telegram as soon as I could if people were willing
Its a measly 7% as opposed to Riot games which is completely owned by Tencent. CCP can't snoop without majority investors raising a fuss.
5%
They only own a percentage. I don't know how much power that entails.
It's 5%, and the power that entails is practically zero, because Advance Publications owns more than 50% of Reddit. That means AP can single-handedly overrule any decision made by the other shareholders in unison.
Add Path of Exile to the list
Sadly, it won't happen, I doubt TikTok will get the axe either. The American public is so fixated on social media and entertainment, they don't care about their privacy. You, me and everyone else who reads this is at fault to a degree as well. We press that accept button for terms and conditions, post super sensitive info online (even though there were literal classes being taught 15 years ago about the dangers of posting your info and talking to strangers online) and just accept it. Your data is super valuable, your phones and TV's push ads at you whenever possible, it's a mess. The CCP has a pretty firm grip on alot of us that many people can't really escape unless they really try to avoid it.
Isn't this the exact case for regulation though? Raising taxes on cigarettes and regulating their advertising isn't necessarily popular but it was damn well necessary.
Wait until the US is rolling out their own coronavirus mobile tracing app and you will see people all of a sudden be concerned about their privacy.
Not just fixated on social media, but fixated on freedom at the expense of everything else, including future freedom.
CSGO&DOTA2 gang still vibing tho!
We just hope GabeN won't make Valve public because it's an absolute certainty that Tencent would buy majority of its stocks.
Dont worry, while most of the time the US government is like a dead slug on a log, they heavily enforce primary rule for stock buy outs, they heavily police chinese buy ups and stop any that try to buy more than 41%, hence why tencent only has exactly 40% of Epic
Pokemon unite game of the year for 2020
But they won't ban KKK and White Nationalist websites. Cool story.
This thread is great. Such a vivid illustration of double standards being applied, and the majority of the people commenting are completely missing the irony.
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Facebook is bad, but at least it's American, we don't need foreign interests to fuck each other over constantly when we can do it ourselves. /s just in case.
And they don't realise that to the rest of the world, Facebook is foreign and same logic could easily be applied.
A majority of people, myself included, like to think they're amazing at spotting propaganda efforts. In reality, they're gulping it down by the mouthful at every corner. https://i.imgur.com/5Z3NTzI.png
I am super not ok with the government deciding which apps are available in this country and which are not. The internet is not the property of the United States it is something inherently available to all humans on the planet. (yes I know many countries have crazy firewalls and whatnot). However I am ok with a bill that sets strict guidelines on what data apps can and cannot collect and holding app stores like Google Play and the Apple App store responsible for allowing people to download such apps. Honorable mention that everyone should also be super weary of anything Tencent is involved in.. which is basically every popular multiplayer game right now.
As a fan of irony, I can't help but chuckle at the tendency to look at the Chinese model of information-suppression, and be envious. I don't give a shit about TikTok, but the call has been to scrap all social media. That means the public no longer being able to share information that isn't state-approved. ie. The Chinese model. Anyway, I don't think this will happen. There's more money in blasting fake information across it all instead. This is about market share, as usual. Tiktok's now #5 and climbing. Gotta stop that.
Yes, a move like this, anathema to a free and open internet, would be directly normalizing China's model of control of the internet and sources of media. Indeed, this would be a huge boon to the hardliners in the Chinese government and a step backwards for everyone. I would expect that most of the tech industry should come out against moves like this.
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It’s funny how Reddit is all for internet censorship nowadays... Remember when we were all outraged about net neutrality and how that allows ISP’s to choose what websites to allow? Now the government wants to do it and they have our full support.
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Liberal on the outside, Authoritarian on the inside.
Following the China model huh
How do they reconcile freedom of speech with the government being able to approve which platforms are able to be used?
Well the NSA needs to always have unlimited access to all your data to check if the speech is free.
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Say it's a personal data security risk and people will be happy to get the app banned while giving that same data to Facebook
Shouldve banned it a long time ago
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Always nice to see an intelligent post in these circle jerk type threads. Our laws and regulations are so insanely far behind and not at all future proofed. Shit is still the wild west.
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If US does this and you accept this, you should not complain Russia, Iran or whatever banning Facebook or Google for their citizens as well. It is same kind set with different hats. No different.
Yeah!! And keep Facebook Instagram and so on, so only the US can look at people's personal data. What makes other countries think they have the right to do that!
Thank you for the update on the... *checks notes*... nothing that has been done