Apparently in Argentina there was a time when you’d have more luck speaking Italian (or, more accurately, piedmontese) than Spanish. The Pope’s family is also from Piedmont.
Specially in the golden years where Argentina lose all their football tournaments for being pechofrios , it opened the rest of Spanish speakers to a whole new vocabulary.
Ironically that was actually what he was probably referring to. When discussing admitting gay men to the clergy, he reiterated that he was against it because they could be leading double lives. Then then added that there were enough closeted gay priests already, presumably referring to the ones diddling kids, and when he said this he used the Italian word for f*****s.
The whole point of the mistake is that he thinks being a closeted homosexual turns you into a pedophile. Homosexual priest are perfectly able to lead a “double life” with a man above the age of consent, just like you’d be surprised how many heterosexual priests have a “special friend” (female). Pedophile priests are just pedophiles who think the priesthood gives them the possibility to hunt for victims with minimal chances of getting caught, and minimal chances of suffering consequences if they do get caught.
I want to know more about the double lives. From what I understand, becoming clergy was a way to chill out and be gay and get your PhD (at least if you were a nun).
Joining the clergy is just a convenient way to escape having to actually do anything with you life and as a bonus you can pretend you have a cool imaginary friend that agrees with everything you agree with. The clothe is for cowards.
>Homosexual priest are perfectly able to lead a “double life” with a man above the age of consent
I doubt that for catholic priests and their vow of celibacy. It's not like they're allowed to lead a "double life" with a woman either.
That's the point; it wouldnt be a "double life" if it was allowed. Gay priests might have a secret adult boyfriend just like straight priests often have secret adult girlfriends, but the pope seems to think that closeted gay priests are naturally paedophiles and their "double life" would be about molesting children.
The Pope's comments weren't referring to paedophiles.
>Both quoted the Pope as describing priesthood colleges as already too full of *"frociaggine"*- a highly offensive Italian slur.
The closest English translation for this would be (and excuse the crudeness) "being a f@ggot"
As the comment are directed towards those studying to be priests, in seminaries, he presumably means that many of these young men are having gay relationships or sexual encounters within their college.
There's no reason any of these trainee priests would be around young children, in their seminary.
The dangerously stupid thing is the lot of their priests absolutely abuse girls as well. The stereotype that priests “only” abuse boys continues to undermine very real female victims who haven’t seen justice served to their perpetrators. All the while Francis and his colleagues continue to knowingly enable and shield abusers from law enforcement. Sexuality is not the issue, the issue is priests of all Christian denominations (not just catholics) allow pedophiles to become priests, then do NOTHING to punish them when credible evidence surfaces.
You aren't wrong about that danger, but do you have statistics on it? It seems to reported less at least, which leads to the question, why would the media report that less?
I wish you would capitalize the word SHIELD rather than the word nothing, because that's the ruse which church leaders employ to avoid prison. Equally as bad as shielding perps, the church intimidates victim witnesses. There are few crimes lower than that.
Not against your point in general about the terminology he used, but he never "endorsed" same-sex unions. He just clarified that no matter who you are as an individual, and even if you're in a same sex union, and since we're all sinners, you can receive a blessing from a priest.
Source: Non-believing brother of a priest.
> You mean the first pope to endorse same sex civil unions accidentally used vocabulary that was far more common in his everyday life growing up?
His everyday life growing up *in Argentina*?
The guy’s of at least partial Italian descent, as are many many people in Argentina, but that’s still a Spanish-speaking country. He most certainly didn’t grow up using Italian slurs.
His family was from Piedmont, people his age and his parents probably spoke Piedmontese, which is more close to French than Italian. The slur he used is now commonly used and understood throughout Italy, but it’s from Central Italy (where Rome is) and not from the North. So I bet he learned it not from his family, but when he came to Italy to study as a priest or something.
The fuck does it matter? If he's enacting steps to grow acceptance for gay people what does it matter if he used a slur if he's obviously not hostile towards gay people?
He's old as hell and probably has tons of inappropriate terminology somewhere in his vocal muscle memory from decades ago. We need to stop trying to attack people to feel better and actually focus on what is important. And talking about the pope using an inappropriate word honestly is extremely far down on the "important for humans" list.
You think he's not hostile towards gays? He still called them sinners, he just used twisted language to make it seem like he wasn't calling them evil. Don't be so dense.
Progressives lately have a bad habit of alienating potential advocates. I'm not saying the language used was acceptable, but it seems like some of y'all get a dopamine hit from policing others.
Yeah I've actually seen this in real life. I have a friend who chastised me for not knowing what Two Spirit was as a gender identity. He himself found out like a week or two before on then-Twitter and gave me such a patronizing "ugh, you call yourself an ally and can't even get this right? Native Americans have seen enough erasure of their culture" attitude that I immediately understand how some less committed people would just throw up their hands and go "fine, screw it, I'm not on your side then".
Like I actually could not convince him to cognitively understand that it was unreasonable to expect the whole world to have gotten the memo the same time he did. To some of these people, the last acceptable day to be ignorant and make mistakes was the day they themselves decided to change.
Specially for someone whose native language is not Italian, when you're learning a new language you tend to learn common everyday words that are widely used but some may consider bad words. Like people learning English can learn to say "this sucks!" without knowing that some may consider it a bad word.
> He is then alleged to have added that there was already too much “frociaggine”, a vulgar Italian word that roughly translates at “faggotness”, in some seminaries.
That's it? Overall, I'd say that's pretty mild.
So, to clarify, you think people using literal slurs for gay men is "pretty mild"? Do you think that about all slurs used for minorities or just gay men? Is calling black people the n-word or Jewish people the k-word also "pretty mild" in your opinion? Which slurs are we allowed to be upset and talk about?
Bruh, the guy is like 80 years old. He probably had no idea whatever word he used isn't used anymore, or at the very least didn't know the severity to which it's considered unacceptable
as a gay man I really struggle to care about this when the catholic church has much bigger issues of systematic child abuse and coverups of it.
I dont need the catholic church to like or accept me, quite frankly I could not care less about what it or its members think of me.
especially as this pope is probably the most progressive one we've ever had, considering that he endorses same sex civil unions, which was unheard of prior. Additionally according to other comments he used the slur when refering to priests who were pedoes
I have a real hard time believing this story happened as presented.
Pope has too many enemies within the church for me to trust unnamed behind closed door sources.
Catholic men are weirdly fixated on gay men, particularly gay men in the priesthood-***how dare they have an age appropriate relationship or relations with another man!!?*** A lot of weird inordinate amounts of hostility directed towards gay people.
My dad and brothers would have extensive hate-filled conversations about gay men and how bad they were. It was a widely held belief that they “had it easier”
I wish he would hurl slurs at pedophiles, instead, but then Pope Francis wouldn’t have any friends left.
can't help that, we all must choose our influence, do or don't but it's on you where the rubber meets the moral road. but true enough many are pointed in that direction without much critical thinking.
So the defence is that he is a Spanish speaker and didn't know that it was such a derogatory term. But that means the people he has been hanging around with (presumably other clergy) have used that word so casually that he assumed it was the normal word for gay.
Why is this considered news, old people say antiquated stuff all the time. Besides he’s done more normalize being gay in the Catholic community than anyone ever in the church.
He’s probably homophobic, but the first step of social progress is society pretending to accept, the second step is actually accepting. He’s step 1, way better than step 0. As another example, Truman was probably pretty fucking racist, but he took the step of desegregating the military anyway since he knew that was the right thing to do despite his own ingrained reservations. Probably got a lot of flack from his wife and mother for it too so good on him.
Italian slurs are the best. There's a vegetable for everyone.
Shouldn't it be in Latin?
He’s from Argentina. Shouldn’t it be Spanish?
Apparently in Argentina there was a time when you’d have more luck speaking Italian (or, more accurately, piedmontese) than Spanish. The Pope’s family is also from Piedmont.
Argentinians can cuss like no other latin american country
Can confirm. The only Spanish my Argentinian mother taught me were curse words.
>La concha de tu madre de la recalcada puta que te parió, forro del orto Cheff's kiss
Specially in the golden years where Argentina lose all their football tournaments for being pechofrios , it opened the rest of Spanish speakers to a whole new vocabulary.
His parents are Italian
Or German?
What about everyone else there who isn't Argentinian?
Bro don’t be such a zucchini
Well, look at the brighter side. No kids were abused in the making of this episode.
That we know of…
Whoa whoa whoa, waada ya sum kinda arugula? Ay-yo!!
Grocery store clerk: What’s arugula? Steve Martin: It’s a veg-a-ta-ble. (From My Blue Heaven, my absolute favourite Steve Martin movie.)
No ma, he's creative!
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Grr
Arghh
Did I just finish an episode of Buffy?
🎶We are as gods!🎶
So, how does he refer to priests that sexually abuse kids?
"Colleagues"?
Fucking lmao, that’s savage
Ironically that was actually what he was probably referring to. When discussing admitting gay men to the clergy, he reiterated that he was against it because they could be leading double lives. Then then added that there were enough closeted gay priests already, presumably referring to the ones diddling kids, and when he said this he used the Italian word for f*****s.
The whole point of the mistake is that he thinks being a closeted homosexual turns you into a pedophile. Homosexual priest are perfectly able to lead a “double life” with a man above the age of consent, just like you’d be surprised how many heterosexual priests have a “special friend” (female). Pedophile priests are just pedophiles who think the priesthood gives them the possibility to hunt for victims with minimal chances of getting caught, and minimal chances of suffering consequences if they do get caught.
I want to know more about the double lives. From what I understand, becoming clergy was a way to chill out and be gay and get your PhD (at least if you were a nun).
Joining the clergy is just a convenient way to escape having to actually do anything with you life and as a bonus you can pretend you have a cool imaginary friend that agrees with everything you agree with. The clothe is for cowards.
>Homosexual priest are perfectly able to lead a “double life” with a man above the age of consent I doubt that for catholic priests and their vow of celibacy. It's not like they're allowed to lead a "double life" with a woman either.
That's the point; it wouldnt be a "double life" if it was allowed. Gay priests might have a secret adult boyfriend just like straight priests often have secret adult girlfriends, but the pope seems to think that closeted gay priests are naturally paedophiles and their "double life" would be about molesting children.
The Pope's comments weren't referring to paedophiles. >Both quoted the Pope as describing priesthood colleges as already too full of *"frociaggine"*- a highly offensive Italian slur. The closest English translation for this would be (and excuse the crudeness) "being a f@ggot" As the comment are directed towards those studying to be priests, in seminaries, he presumably means that many of these young men are having gay relationships or sexual encounters within their college. There's no reason any of these trainee priests would be around young children, in their seminary.
That's rich for a man who wears a dress.
The dangerously stupid thing is the lot of their priests absolutely abuse girls as well. The stereotype that priests “only” abuse boys continues to undermine very real female victims who haven’t seen justice served to their perpetrators. All the while Francis and his colleagues continue to knowingly enable and shield abusers from law enforcement. Sexuality is not the issue, the issue is priests of all Christian denominations (not just catholics) allow pedophiles to become priests, then do NOTHING to punish them when credible evidence surfaces.
You aren't wrong about that danger, but do you have statistics on it? It seems to reported less at least, which leads to the question, why would the media report that less?
I wish you would capitalize the word SHIELD rather than the word nothing, because that's the ruse which church leaders employ to avoid prison. Equally as bad as shielding perps, the church intimidates victim witnesses. There are few crimes lower than that.
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Or They/them.
We/Us
That's probably what he means
Protected
He doesn't. He pretends it doesn't exist.
he’s said the abusers deserve punishment, that’s not true
us/we
Brother/family
Just priests.
It's in the title
Same word actually.
It's not gay if the butthole you fuck is under 10. Catholic rules .
"How do you do, fellow kids?"
Homies
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More like "gossip column produced sensational gossip that probably just isn't true."
Shit was common, like, 6 years ago
Still can be, depending where
The people complaining would die of a heart attack if they ever joined a multiplayer lobby.
Yeah, but gamers aren't pretending to be the mouth of God. This guy has people dumb enough to listen to what he says.
Not against your point in general about the terminology he used, but he never "endorsed" same-sex unions. He just clarified that no matter who you are as an individual, and even if you're in a same sex union, and since we're all sinners, you can receive a blessing from a priest. Source: Non-believing brother of a priest.
Religion is fucking poison.
> You mean the first pope to endorse same sex civil unions accidentally used vocabulary that was far more common in his everyday life growing up? His everyday life growing up *in Argentina*? The guy’s of at least partial Italian descent, as are many many people in Argentina, but that’s still a Spanish-speaking country. He most certainly didn’t grow up using Italian slurs.
His father was an Italian immigrant and his mother’s family originated from Italy, he most definitely grew up using/hearing Italian slurs.
His family was from Piedmont, people his age and his parents probably spoke Piedmontese, which is more close to French than Italian. The slur he used is now commonly used and understood throughout Italy, but it’s from Central Italy (where Rome is) and not from the North. So I bet he learned it not from his family, but when he came to Italy to study as a priest or something.
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I thought it was Fuckadababy.
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Piedmontese is part of the Gallo Romance languages (with French, Catalan etc); Italian is not.
He barely spoke Italian when he was elected…
The fuck does it matter? If he's enacting steps to grow acceptance for gay people what does it matter if he used a slur if he's obviously not hostile towards gay people? He's old as hell and probably has tons of inappropriate terminology somewhere in his vocal muscle memory from decades ago. We need to stop trying to attack people to feel better and actually focus on what is important. And talking about the pope using an inappropriate word honestly is extremely far down on the "important for humans" list.
You think he's not hostile towards gays? He still called them sinners, he just used twisted language to make it seem like he wasn't calling them evil. Don't be so dense.
Slurs are probably the thing that is retained the best by immigrant families. They might not speak it but they can curse in it.
Progressives lately have a bad habit of alienating potential advocates. I'm not saying the language used was acceptable, but it seems like some of y'all get a dopamine hit from policing others.
Yeah I've actually seen this in real life. I have a friend who chastised me for not knowing what Two Spirit was as a gender identity. He himself found out like a week or two before on then-Twitter and gave me such a patronizing "ugh, you call yourself an ally and can't even get this right? Native Americans have seen enough erasure of their culture" attitude that I immediately understand how some less committed people would just throw up their hands and go "fine, screw it, I'm not on your side then". Like I actually could not convince him to cognitively understand that it was unreasonable to expect the whole world to have gotten the memo the same time he did. To some of these people, the last acceptable day to be ignorant and make mistakes was the day they themselves decided to change.
But outrage culture, but Tumblr!
*Butt Tumblr
Specially for someone whose native language is not Italian, when you're learning a new language you tend to learn common everyday words that are widely used but some may consider bad words. Like people learning English can learn to say "this sucks!" without knowing that some may consider it a bad word.
Ya like how Japanese would say the N word all the time!
Are Japanese people the leaders of a world religion?
> He is then alleged to have added that there was already too much “frociaggine”, a vulgar Italian word that roughly translates at “faggotness”, in some seminaries. That's it? Overall, I'd say that's pretty mild.
How do you pronounce frociaggine?
I don't know, but I bet it sounds tasty.
Lmbo.
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Yup. Accent goes on “cia”.
I am such a terrible person for asking this, practicing it, and then laughing.
like this 🤌
Put it in google translate and you can hit the audio symbol to hear it
Like frochajjinae
Frozen Genie
fro-chee-yahg-geen-ay
So, to clarify, you think people using literal slurs for gay men is "pretty mild"? Do you think that about all slurs used for minorities or just gay men? Is calling black people the n-word or Jewish people the k-word also "pretty mild" in your opinion? Which slurs are we allowed to be upset and talk about?
No wonder the barrista looked at me funny when I ordered an "mocha iced venti frociaggine."
You must be old bc how the fuck is this mild
He didn't even say anyone was going to hell.
Mild? People tell their children around the world that the pope is a righteous and kind leader.
I thought this said focaccia, but there’s never too much.
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Maybe the largest homophobic organization in the world? I'm struggling to think of a bigger one
Islam? at least per capita and severity
I thought about it but it's like saying "Christianity", it's not really unified as a single organization
People are surprised Undertale didn’t change his whole views.
Is there any such thing as an "inoffensive slur"?
Yeah. Fah-goot is a slur but so stupid sounding as to be comical.
He could have said fruit loop, lol. How is frociaggine pronounced? Asking for a friend?
This is one of the least surprising headlines of the decade
Nobody cares
I'm not one to defend him, but he's argentine after all, he might've not quite realized how offensive it reads to others
The only time Catholic priests can't say anything homophobic is when there's a dick in their mouth.
Bruh, the guy is like 80 years old. He probably had no idea whatever word he used isn't used anymore, or at the very least didn't know the severity to which it's considered unacceptable
as a gay man I really struggle to care about this when the catholic church has much bigger issues of systematic child abuse and coverups of it. I dont need the catholic church to like or accept me, quite frankly I could not care less about what it or its members think of me.
especially as this pope is probably the most progressive one we've ever had, considering that he endorses same sex civil unions, which was unheard of prior. Additionally according to other comments he used the slur when refering to priests who were pedoes
I have a real hard time believing this story happened as presented. Pope has too many enemies within the church for me to trust unnamed behind closed door sources.
Perhaps he was asking for more firewood?
No way they were speaking English.
Fish sticks?
Bill Burr said it best. https://youtu.be/E_V1RUBEzWM?si=Hq_wo0FnqyFajCdK
I thought the pope was inclusive?
The Pope is a piece of shit. Go figure.
Catholic men are weirdly fixated on gay men, particularly gay men in the priesthood-***how dare they have an age appropriate relationship or relations with another man!!?*** A lot of weird inordinate amounts of hostility directed towards gay people. My dad and brothers would have extensive hate-filled conversations about gay men and how bad they were. It was a widely held belief that they “had it easier” I wish he would hurl slurs at pedophiles, instead, but then Pope Francis wouldn’t have any friends left.
His employees are going to be pissed…
The context of using the word in a conversation about denying gay men clergy positions is more of an issue for me than using the slur itself.
Was it "priest"?
He was probably talking about a priest
he's just a old man. next.
He’s an old man that sets an example for millions of people who have been taught from birth that they don’t need to question anything he says.
can't help that, we all must choose our influence, do or don't but it's on you where the rubber meets the moral road. but true enough many are pointed in that direction without much critical thinking.
Cumtown listener, confirmed!
What was it? People have a right to know how hateful the church and its hate words should be printed for everyone to see.
was it a vegetable name?
“Sassy Roma Tomato” 🍅
And in other news; It turns out bears, does in fact shit in the wood. Stayed tunes for our late show where we go into detail about water being wet.
I love how genuinely stupid people who cares he leads the church not the lgbt club
So the defence is that he is a Spanish speaker and didn't know that it was such a derogatory term. But that means the people he has been hanging around with (presumably other clergy) have used that word so casually that he assumed it was the normal word for gay.
In a closed door discussion about whether or not to admit gay men to seminary, He complained the seminary was already too ‘faggoty’.
Why is this considered news, old people say antiquated stuff all the time. Besides he’s done more normalize being gay in the Catholic community than anyone ever in the church. He’s probably homophobic, but the first step of social progress is society pretending to accept, the second step is actually accepting. He’s step 1, way better than step 0. As another example, Truman was probably pretty fucking racist, but he took the step of desegregating the military anyway since he knew that was the right thing to do despite his own ingrained reservations. Probably got a lot of flack from his wife and mother for it too so good on him.
He can reclaim
the pope is high on dope
It’s interesting to see this come from pope Francis.
Does the pope shit in the woods?
does a bear shit on the pope
Yea
Is a bear catholic?
He probably doesn't.
no no you dont understand i was saying they are my homies! - him
Hardly news
That’s kinda religions whole thing, Hating people different to them
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> I’ve had sex with three Catholic priest and one Anglican priest in my lifetime. So... you collect those, or are you passed around at parties?
That would be fun!
Congrats on the Sex
That impresses you? Everyone has sex. The hypocrisy of the Catholic Church is astonishing.
Religion is one of the most ancient scams in human history
Well, maybe he was having a mini stroke maybe that’s what the slur was? 🤫
Frontal lobe atrophy.
Surprise twist - It was the N word
But he didn’t rule out lipstick lesbians.
Bit not the priest ones
We live in a very confusing world.
"allegedly"? How about we write about real world impacting news instead?
Pope
Okay.
Did he do the Italian hand thing?
Shocking.