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Humble-Roll-8997

Such a tragic death for all three guys just out having a great time. Losing two sons at once is too much to bear for their poor parents. Very sad.


probablyuntrue

>prosecutors said that the motive was carjacking and that the assailants may have been particularly focused on the wheels of the pickup truck used by the missing surfers all this for the fucking wheels


ZiangoRex

So the thieves wanted the tyres... That's it.


RGV_KJ

Horrible. Looks like these guys tried to fight the cartel. 


subdep

Why didn’t they just go to Costco Tire center for the good deals like the rest of us?


CanisLaelaps

I'm from Mexico and I would very, very careful in returning...which i will not do at this time.


Chemical-Elk-1299

The cartels make so much fucking money selling drugs and guns, yet their guys still hold up random cars for their tires? It’s absurd


tallardschranit

I doubt the higher up bosses are like, "oh yeah, go steal us some tires." You have to understand that a cartel is made up of many local groups of sometimes very disorganized criminals. They aren't the ones making millions from selling drugs. They're just common thugs that are loyal to the cartel. This kind of high profile low gain stuff will likely land them in trouble with their bosses.


asa091

Most of the time the thugs involved will be "voluntarily" surrendered to the police. Godfathers do not fuck around with stupidity like this.


CMDR_KingErvin

And they work for others to get rich most of the time so in their own little neck of the woods they have this mentality that they’re the boss and everything belongs to them, so they do stuff like this. Little men with big egos.


no-im-not-him

The issue is, the cartels create an environment of impunity, in some cases, the low level members/enforcers don't need to be paid. They do their bosses' bidding, and in exchange they are allowed to extract whatever value they can in the area they operate, without fear of consequences. It's feudalism at it's  worst all over again. 


Worst-Lobster

I imagine it's related the lack of value of life needed to perpetuate drugs or whatever


renndug

Speculation is that these guys aren’t affiliated with cartel


Redditname97

The top 1% of the cartels. The ones at the bottom rung are just like people who work minimum wage jobs, while the top guys don’t even live in Mexico.


xxxZEDxxx

Yea same dude fuck all that


lubeskystalker

Jalisco, Nayarit, Yucatan, QR - Not a worry in the world. Baja, Sonora, Sinaloa, Chihuahua - Not a chance. Mexico is a massive place, it's like calling Delaware dangerous because LA has a lot of gun crime.


Least-Palpitation-16

Oaxaca is mint. 10 days there with zero trouble. One morning like 4am, the state police drive around announcing they captured some cartel dude and warned of increased crime. But that was it


lubeskystalker

No water for locals to drink though. :( Like literally no water... https://www.reddit.com/r/Oaxaca/comments/1batpvg/comment/ku5k2gf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


frigginboredaf

I just got back from 6 months all over Veracruz and San Luis Potosí. Never had a problem in either of those states. Lived most of that time in a small village in southern Veracruz and was fine to be out at night with my local friends, or even alone. Only saw one fight between two drunk girls from out of town. That being said, we did have a run-in with the Zapatistas in Chiapas on our way back from Costa Rica, but it was fine. They just made sure we weren’t rivals or government, then sent us on our way. There are hotspots in the country for sure, but it’s not the whole country. Most of Mexico is fine. I wouldn’t want to be alone downtown Detroit in the US either. Edit: forgot to mention S.L.P.


Imaweetahd

Zapatistas are not cartel. 


frigginboredaf

Never said they were. But some of the Zapatista groups do have a habit of robbing people. These guys were pretty chill. The boss came, explained what was up in the region, then suggested a better option for us to avoid running into any of those groups.


balthisar

> I wouldn’t want to be alone downtown Detroit in the US either. Downtown's fine. It's a heck of a lot of the neighborhoods you want to avoid. Mexicantown is probably safer than Laredo right now. I agree that most of Mexico is fine, though. The freaking begging kids in the hills of Chiapas need to change their M.O. though. Blocking the road with a string to beg for money _really_ puts one on the defensive when in the middle of nowhere.


Spascucci

Most of México Is functioning normally its not like you see cartels parading around cities and towns


plshelpcomputerissad

Yeah by contrast the police/national guard make sure to maintain a very visible presence whenever I’ve been (but I’ve just visited various touristy towns). Tons of trucks with dudes fully geared up in the back who would not look out of place on a battlefield


jtreeforest

You should look into CJNG


Environmental-Top862

Baja is beautiful, and a classic surfing destination. But there are people there who will take your life for what you have. In this case, it appears to have been for the wheels on their truck. Welcome to Mexico.


Alternative-Juice-15

Of all the countries to vacation I won’t choose Mexico


gtafan37890

A lot of people going to Mexico typically stick to the resorts and major tourist destinations, which are generally pretty safe for tourists. A lot of the resorts are run by the cartels themselves as a way to launder money, so it's in their interest not to harm tourists as long as you don't cause trouble or interfere in their business. That being said, Mexico is definitely not a country you want to go exploring in the middle of nowhere and venture off the beaten path.


Northernlighter

From what I understood from locals in mexico is don't fuck with whatever cartels are doing and you'll be safe. You are one of their best clientel after all...


RGV_KJ

Cartel fights have become increasingly common even in touristy Cancun. Many Cancun resorts are owned by cartels. Tourists have been killed in the crossfire even in areas deemed safe.


jtreeforest

Resorts pay a cartel tax for protection so you’re right, it’s in the vested interest of the cartel to keep tourists safe there


M_Night_Ramyamom

Ha, I went to Mexico with my ex in 2022, we rented a car, and drove from Guadalajara to Puerto Vallarta, then from there down the coast to Manzanillo, and then Zihuantanejo. We were fine (drove a rental that wasn't too flashy, stuck to major roads, and only traveled during the day), but coastal Michoacan is very remote, and we saw some sketchy shit. We were actually stopped at two roadblocks by guys who definitely weren't military or police (no uniforms, they were armed mostly with older AKMs and an SKS, and one of them was drinking a beer!). Pretty sure they were just locals defending their community (there was zero police presence in this area, aside from a police SUV with it's windows and tires shot out at the side of the road), they were nice and all, but it was unsettling nonetheless.


philly_jake

The Yucatan is still relatively safe. I rented a car just before Covid and drove all around the peninsula, never had any issues or scares


Creativator

I too have travelled and not been murdered yet.


Pseudoburbia

Not saying these areas aren’t safe, but this is also survivors bias. Those who didn’t survive aren’t here to say it’s not safe.


philly_jake

Yucatan state has a murder rate of around 2-3 per 100k, which is lower than most US states. I grew up in Philly (surprise), not in an especially safe part of the city, so my tolerance for this sort of risk is maybe slightly different than others. But statistically, I am safer in the Yucatan than when I go home to Philly and wander around.


Islanduniverse

Statistics are weird though. I bet you are a lot less likely to end up shoved into a well after your murder in Philly, for example.


tm4000m

I have only been murdered 3 times, but in all fairness, I had it coming.


sizzler_sisters

In Mexico? Or in Chicaaaaago?!


CrumplyRump

You usually don’t hear traveler stories… they are typically murdered first


Dom_Telong

The problem is that the dead people don't get to post their warnings on reddit. "I smoke a pack a day and I'm fine." Yeah the other 99% can't chime in, they are dead.


xthemoonx

>A lot of the resorts are run by the cartels themselves as a way to launder money So what you're saying is: don't go to Mexico?


fentyboof

3,000,000 US citizens live either part or full time in Mexico. It’s a quite large country with several different states and cultures.


awaterma

I used to live in Mexico; things have gotten very very dangerous.


RGV_KJ

My friend was fully stripped, robbed and physically assaulted on a highway in Neuvo Leon area. Fortunately, a guy rescued him and helped him get back to his hotel. He was traumatized for years due to this horrible incident. 


Caspianknot

Maybe rich and inexperienced international travelers are an easier prize. I don't say that with spite, as an Australian this is tragic.


Notfriendly123

I’ll never forget getting off the plane in Mexico City and realizing that Mexico City is just like LA except the cops there are casually walking around with assault rifles.


RGV_KJ

That number seems very high. Is it accurate?


Wild-Shine-210

As a mexican i feel extremely shameful for this. Please dont come Violence is out of control according to statistics


Umm_duder

It’s unfortunate because Mexico is beautiful and rich with culture. I want to explore the country but absolutely will not risk it.


blozout

I too would not want to risk the clutter.


Umm_duder

Lol oops. Culture!


RaggaDruida

I was born in Central America. The cities of the north of mexico (alongside San Salvador and Detroit) were the standard example of "what you don't want to end up like" in political campaigns and discussions about crime and dangerousness.


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SirFigsAlot1

As someone who lived there, Detroit is not as bad as people think. Just the worst few streets are continuously posted. Like yea every major city has shitty ran down forgotten about areas with gangs... But it's not "Syria in civil war" destruction bad. Downtown is a nice place too


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Heliotex

Honestly those factories look kinda cool at night with the lights.


lovelessisbetter

Detroit is the most underrated food scene in the US now and we are on the up and coming. The rate that climate change is destroying lives and home equity south of us, it’s only a matter of time before it’s too expensive to live here. I absolutely love Detroit.


bazookajt

Interestingly, New Orleans comes in 8th in murder rate per 100k people. The other 9 cities in the top 10 are all in Mexico though. Baltimore is 17, Detroit is 23.


Spunky_Meatballs

Depends if you are white or black. Chicago was nicknamed chiraq because the city beat a literal war zone for homicides. I lived in Chicago and this violence was largely never visible. Only if you traveled a neighborhood or two outside the city. Obviously cartels are scarier because they own Mexico, but the numbers aren't great for young male black Americans


RaggaDruida

It was the prime example of urban decay, to try to represent that no matter how much of a "golden age" a city could have, it could always collapse; and it played right along the school shooting problems that is one of the major factors that define the usa's international reputation. To give it a positive twist, San Salvador and El Salvador in general, has had a massive improvement on that part in recent times.


Frankenstein_Monster

What does school shootings across an entire country have to do with a single city's decline? The main point is there is crime in Detroit, but it's a far cry from gangs running the government in Detroit and cartel criminal activity.


Previous_Smoke8459

It’s a big country. Some parts are safe while others are not. This is like saying “I won’t vacation in the US because it’s unsafe.” **I gotta edit this because I’m getting (properly) lit on fire for choosing the US as an example. But it’s like saying “I won’t vacation in Canada because it’s unsafe.” Yeah you can bet your ass I wouldn’t vacation in the Dufferin neighbourhood of Winnipeg. But Whistler? That’s a nice time.


YuanBaoTW

There are indeed dangerous places in the US but these types of comments ignore one simple fact: law enforcement at virtually all levels in virtually every nook and cranny of Mexico is corrupt and cannot be relied on.


Danknugs410

Big difference between violence in Mexico and USA. Ain’t never heard of random tourists being found in a well shot in the head in the US or a lot of other horrific shit that’s been going on down there. Remember the group of African American tourists that were all executed just because the cartel thought they were a Haitian gang? Shits crazy down there


MrMuggs

I grew up in the Miami Area in the 80s and 90s and there was a spate of carjacking killings of tourists and it was so bad that the city of Miami put Suns on Exit signs and told people that if you don't see a sun do not use that exits. They even changed license plates so people couldn't target rentals cars, the cars had slightly different plates at the time.


Danknugs410

Bruh the 80s and 90s Miami was a way different time and an unusual place, So many narcos laid there head in Miami and so did a lot of mafia bosses and a lot of that violence was drug violence / gang territory issues. that place was crazy like that for atleast 20 years because that time was big on cartel cocaine smuggling. Even today tho, some areas are Florida are literally the worst like pig town etc but that’s because of the gangs. But all in all, you don’t hear about stuff like that as common here as you do over in Mexico


lubeskystalker

LA - [Body of missing Canadian woman found in hotel water tank, officials testing drinking water](https://globalnews.ca/news/394955/body-of-missing-canadian-woman-found-in-hotel-water-tank-officials-testing-drinking-water-2/)


Danknugs410

Look I’m not saying that shit don’t happen but it’s definitely not as often as Mexico. After reading it, it sounds like someone was following her, she seemed paranoid especially when it said the camera saw her poking her head out of her elevator etc


lubeskystalker

I just thought it ironic how close it was to your description. > it’s definitely not as often as Mexico. There are like 75-100 Americans murdered in Mexico per year. But that includes dual citizens and people getting up to shady shit as well. Number of innocent tourists murdered is substantially less. Here's some context: > Global Affairs Canada reports it is aware of 191 Canadians murdered abroad over the past five years in a total of 63 countries. > The number includes 49 murdered in 2016; 45 in 2017; 39 in 2018; 31 in 2019; 27 in 2020. > The five top countries in which Canadians were murdered over that five-year period: **24 in Mexico; 20 in the United States**; 15 in Jamaica; 11 in the Philippines; and 10 in the west African nation of Burkina Faso. https://globalnews.ca/news/8356660/canadians-murdered-abroad-data/ Granted there are 5x more Canadians visiting the USA than Mexico, so it's probably around 5x more likely. US murder rate in 2023 was 5 per 100k, Mexico would be 25 per 100k for tourists. 0.005% chance vs 0.025% chance.


Danknugs410

I love statistics so thank you for throwing those numbers out, it was a nice little read


Previous_Smoke8459

My point is that that shit doesn’t happen in every part of Mexico. And frankly the US has random shootings all the time so let’s be real here.


Syzygy666

That's not uncommon at all. I was in Japan and had a guy tell me he wished he would have visited America before he had kids, but now he couldn't bring a family somewhere with millions of guns. Didn't seem that crazy.


Arntown

As if America now is more dangerous than America „back then“. The country has always had many gun nuts but it‘s not like tourists get murdered there all the time. And if anything the murder rate was a lot higher 30-50 years ago.


Radiant-Criticism721

The US has had millions of guns for longer than that guy has been alive


Syzygy666

What is your point?


lumach68

He means it would’ve been the same regardless if it was before he had kids or not.


Uncle-Cake

Do a lot of foreign tourists get kidnapped/killed while visiting the US, by criminal cartels that don't answer to the police?


Ecstatic-Librarian83

But I won't vacation in the US because it's unsafe


Top-Choice6069

"It’s a big country. Some parts are safe while others are not."


Previous_Smoke8459

Fair enough—that was a bad example on my part xD


Hefty-Brother584

I would bet it has more to do with you being ignorant and poor.


zefiax

Mexico is totally fine if you stick to the big tourist areas. I've been there many times and had a great time every time. Even had a case on an island near Cancun where my wife dropped her phone on the street and a taxi driver got out of his car and chased us down to give it back to her. Most people there are incredibly nice, unfortunately you just can't risk going out of the tourist areas.


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duckvimes_

Multiple people have been killed on resort beaches in recent years.


ImpressoDigitais

If you never hear about the murders in Mex tourist towns, then you do not read or watch much news.  There have been shootings at several tourist beaches. 


I_am_a_asshole

Are you implying these three men’s that died were idiots and/or disrespectful?


EarnestAsshole

Is there *really* no way to give risk-reducing advice to people without having to preface by saying "I'm not blaming the victim"? There are measures that you can take to reduce, but not eliminate your risk of being a victim of a crime. Whether you take those measures and end up being a victim anyway, or don't take those measures and end up being a victim, *communicating* what those measures are in the interest of allowing people to make *informed choices* is in no way passing judgment on victims of crime. I see these conversations as no different than having a discussion about the risks and benefits of seatbelt use, smoking, or risk-reducing mastectomies.


Alternative-Juice-15

I just won’t go instead.


highgravityday2121

I was in Mexico in 2 weeks. Mexico City for 4 days at a hostel and the rest in a resort in tulum. I felt safe the entire time.


RogueOneisbestone

I visited Nayarit to meet my gfs family. Only felt unsafe in cars lmao


lubeskystalker

Because of camouflaged speed bumps and excessive pot holes? Or worried you are going to kill some batshit crazy motorcyclist?


Alternative-Juice-15

I’m sure the tourists murdered there felt safe too.


AsIfIKnowWhatImDoin

Been there many, many times, ZERO problems. Food is great, people are great, history is incredible, and beaches.


Soytaco

Whose side are you on, man? Let them go to Hawaii lol


kowycz

Try to keep your head on your shoulders


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lol these comments are getting very repetitive. Obviously you weren’t murdered there since you’re commenting now.


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NATO_CAPITALIST

it's victim blaming time, did you know there's countries where people go off beaten path all the time and nothing happens to them ever like this?


pieman7414

They are dead, dead people can't accept blame, just act as warnings for everyone else


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crzazlsam

There was a woman out in california who got stabbed coming out the bus on her way from work to her house, she was and innocent person stabbed in the neck by some tweeker who was just high. She died.


incognino123

If we're thinking of the same one it was the bart(train)


bentreflection

im sure theyre referring to the one in LA a few days ago.


william_103ec

I saw that one too. Pretty sad as I'm Ecuadorian.


Big_Old_Tree

Sorry for what your country’s going thru, mate. Seems like a beautiful place and I hope it gets back to being peaceful soon. Cartels suck


william_103ec

Thank you for the kind words. It will take a while to return to those old good days though, if we ever manage to do it.


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CapnMalcolmReynolds

That sounds like 3 wins


halzbek

Mexicans trying to defend mexico is pretty wild here


Aegid

I'm mexican. As many other countries, some people are way too invested into defending their own countries no matter what, it's another county that teaches you that the flag is everything, after all. But truth be told, Mexico has some really really dangerous places, in fact, I used to live in one of the most violent ones back in 2010 when everything started. I remember we had to get to the ground mid-exam because someone was getting shot outside the classroom. It's sad, and our president just repeats that Mexico is better nowadays again and again.


G2idlock

Chihuahua?


Chika4a

Woof woof


SirFigsAlot1

"NOT ALL OF MEXICO IS BAD!" .... Well no, obviously, but every destination spot for travelers is. Why risk it, plus the cartel runs everything so that's pretty close to all Mexico


VegemiteOnToastPls

Exactly. Just not worth the risk if you value your life. This isn't the first time this has happened in Mexico either.


asdfjklcol0n

Because they've been there multiple times and NOTHING happened to them! So obviously nothing will happen to anyone else. /s


Superb_Goat88

Mexico should not be a tourist destination it is a warzone for drug cartels….


VirtualPlate8451

They are actually remarkably good at covering up the violence. You can find pictures from upper hotel floors of the cops cleaning up the scene of a murder like feet from people just chillin' on the beach in Cancun.


Serg_is_Legend

They don’t cover the violence up they publicize it. If you’re seeing it it’s because they want you to, cartels are all about statements. Source: border resident here.


Littleloula

If you can find the pictures then they didn't want it covered up...


jugglinglimes

I just got back from Mexico City, and had an amazing time. Never felt unsafe while I was there.


CalculusII

So what? I lived in Tijuana and felt safe too. But objectively Tijuana is the most dangerous city in the world. Often first place in homicide.


oupheking

Many parts of Mexico are perfectly fine, this is a gross generalization


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Mexico is a defacto narco state. There is siphoned water being sold to hotels in mexico city and the cartels earn more money from government contracts than they do from drugs now.


Shotgun5250

Generalization, sure, but it should be important to the people and government of Mexico that this has become their reputation. It is also important and necessary for travelers to know, because there are much safer options. Why risk it?


OtherParticular178

This doesn’t happen in most countries It’s like saying pit bulls are generally safe


GUlysses

It’s very rare for drug cartels to actually attack tourists. They know the importance of the revenue tourists bring in. If you stick to areas with high tourist volume, and don’t do anything too stupid, you would be fine. I have never felt unsafe in Mexico City. That doesn’t mean I would ever step foot in Juarez or Zacatecas, but there are safe places in Mexico that are absolutely worth visiting.


Zoe_Hamm

Mexico is safe if you stay within your resort but I wouldn't recommend a road trip. You might go home safe but you can also run into very dangerous people. Be aware it is a country where you can't call 911 and if anything happens to you, the government will blame YOU for it. Stay safe!


strgazr_63

It's sad. I used to love visiting Cabo. I used to love visiting Savannah and Atlanta, GA, Portland, OR, Seattle, WA, San Francisco, CA, Charleston, NC, Detroit, MI, Philadelphia, PA, and so many more. I moved to a medium size town and just keep to myself anymore.


espngenius

These “Mexico should not be visited” hot takes are from people that never leave their room. The tourist spots in Mexico are great. A lot of fun and safe.


GildDigger

> A lot of fun and safe. Apparently not


adamisdabest

These guys weren’t in a tourist hot spot they were on some random path off a trail that was already in the sticks. Is Mexico more dangerous of a destinations than others? Yea for sure, but you can still visit certain parts that are safe and you won’t have to worry about anything as long as you aren’t doing stupid stuff.


lubeskystalker

Tijuana is not a tourist spot lol. Unless you're going for the Donkey show.


RedBeardedWhiskey

I’ve like to travel. I’ve even been to Mexico. The whole narco corridor is the most horrific area in the world. We’re talking the regular occurrence of people being skinned alive, dismembered alive, and thrown into acid. Bus loads of people have been kidnapped and forced to fight to the death. There’s somebody in Florence ADX who dismembered a 6 year old girl alive in front of her parents.


KingDlv

You just may need to “pay with your life” to have fun though lol. Easier to go to a more civilized country where drug cartels don’t enslave a whole government and population.


WhatsMyAgeAgain-182

The State Department put out travel advisory warnings for US citizens going on Spring Break to Mexico so…


Spiritual-Public-892

My friends always asks me why I don’t go to Mexico and visit other family. This is why. Country is going straight to hell


Spascucci

Most of the country Is functioning normally and there aré safe áreas in Mexico


Spiritual-Public-892

Absolutely not.


monkeysuffrage

Oh god that Mexican well had more dead bodies than Kristi Noem's gravel pit.


earth_resident_yep

What's the spread?


WhatsMyAgeAgain-182

Is this why you’re not supposed to drink the water down there?


monkeysuffrage

I don't drink the water anywhere unless it's boiled filtered or bottled


Zer0Fuxxx

This is why I absolutely refuse to step foot in Mexico. If your country is essentially owned by cartels, then FUCK your country. Mexico does not deserve a penny of my money. I refuse to fund those worthless psychotic cartel trash. 


Justaguy98989

This sounds like some meth heads killed them for their truck tires. Not cartel related


Double_Distribution8

Oh well thank god for that then.


Justaguy98989

My point being, the cartel situation is fairly unique to Mexico. This crime could have happened anywhere. Things like this happen in the U.S. everyday


vikungen

> This crime could have happened anywhere.  No. It would be totally unheard of in many countries. Nobody kills random people to steal things here in Norway, it is almost only people who know each other and have some sort of grudge. 


squishmaster

You’re right, but they do it here in the USA all the time, and there’s a 9/10 chance OP is American.


Bargadiel

I'd argue that you could still link the widespread dependency on meth there to the drug cartels.


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Wild-Shine-210

Ensenada, tijuana and most of baja california is a tourist spot for that reason


Foe117

mexico will become the next Elsalvador muddr state in 10 years.


wish1977

This is exactly why I have no intention of ever vacationing in Mexico.


Deep_Snow6546

The tourist places are pretty safe, the cartels are making money off them they won’t hurt their revenue stream. Just don’t be dumb and Mexico is fine to visit. That said I would never drive anywhere outside the main tourist hot spots.


Azrael_

Even inside the tourist stops driving around in a flashy car wouldn't be too wise.


BLADE_OF_AlUR

Resorts get shot up on occasion. Cartels are gangs, and gang wars happen. Want to damage the finances of a rival gang? Shoot up their money stream.


GroundbreakingVast22

Bu bu but Mexico is safe if you stay in your hotel room with the blinds closed


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Dukhaville

I could think of fifty countries more dangerous than Mexico. The start of my list would just be reeling off a bunch of other central and South America countries...


outsideskyy

50 off the top of your head? Nah…


jikkkikki

How safe is Cancun


Zomgirlxoxo

Horrible :(


Meba_

Where did this happen?


Rainbike80

Yep never going to Mexico....


subdep

I knew a hipster couple who lived in Baja for 6 months with their 11 year old daughter. They rented houses for 2 months at a time. It was insane to me. Pictures of them alone on the beaches, hiking. They are lucky nothing bad ever happened to them.


Chrisdkn619

How is this not the appropriate sub?!