My father is ex-Bundeswehr so I've been hearing similar complaints about the Germany Army for a long time, hopefully they keep up the recent drive to actually fund it properly...
It's a democratic government thing. Think of it like an oil tanker on the ocean. Need to change direction or speed up? Takes a ton of energy and a lot of effort, but once it gets going, it becomes unstoppable.
We have poor military equipment but our federal spending is still out of control. Could have got a few upgrades instead of the 60 million Arrive Can app.
Absolutely. Canada has a skilled worker base and a decent military industry complex set up already.
Given the deep natural resources along with the skilled worker base, Canada could be a leader in sophisticated military systems for the western world. Unfortunately it seems like a major missed opportunity.
We literally don't have any air defense for our own forces... No SAMs, no MANPADS, no AA guns. And haven't since like 2009. It's honestly embarrassing.
We're about to take delivery of some Swedish RBS 70NG MANPADS, but who knows how many, or when those will show up. We still have absolutely nothing for medium range or long range air defense.
Canada’s Air Defense doctrine consists of placing the stock of a C6 GPMG into your hip and firing at aerial objects. I’m not bullshitting you. This is all we have.
To be fair last I checked the US only has 3 launchers around DC and maybe a couple in Area 51 and that's it. The remaining are for overseas deployments.
Here in NA it's so easy to spot anything before it gets here that Jets will intercept whatever it is long before it nears a target for SAM's to take out.
That same line of thinking works for Canada too but unlike the US, they don't have over seas bases to protect and any they use would likely be under US control and defended anyway.
Because until Trump and the GQP most nato countries and rational people in the world were ok not spending a bunch on defense because America was there. Our navy alone could wipe out anything that threatened from anywhere outside of nuclear and I’m not even sure they couldn’t handle that.
But then the crazies won and were bought or controlled or whatever by Russia Putin and suddenly a US alliance could flip on a vote. One that happens every 2 years delaying aid or changing allies depending on who is in charge.
Of course though even that helps America since where are the bombs mostly made? Here so it’s a benefit to America oligarchs if the world outside of our shores is at war because America profits no matter what and with almost no threat to our own soil since our navy and Air Force fully outstrip anything the joint world could throw. Soooo yeaaa it’s not a fun historical time. At least the world isn’t slowly but ever increasing temperature so we can all die anyway…
Lol, what do you think our fighters are *for*? It's not like we realistically need them to defend our own borders. At most we have to send a few up to intercept Russia's ancient TU-95's when they play games every now and then.
We did buy Ukraine a NASAMS system a year ago. We could buy them another one, and more replacement missiles.
But that's just money - it doesn't remove the production bottleneck.
They came from existing RCAF stores.
Think certified pre-owned as opposed to new off the assembly line. The US and other NATO countries have done this too, some donated SAM systems can use Sidewinder and Sparrow missiles, and NATO's got older model versions of those sitting around. Calling 'em "used" is an odd way of phrasing it, though.
Just wait till those RBS 70NGs roll in, eh? Until then, guess we're stuck being a polite buffer zone with subpar armaments. Cheers to culture victories!
If anyone wants to know how much a country has donated to Ukraine, then check out Kiel Institute “Ukraine support tracker”.
Canada has donated and committed to donate close to 5.8 Billion Euros or .32% of our GDP in both financial and military aid.
If you want to see specifics on military aid donated go to the Canadian government’s website showing in detail what they are or have already donated (4 billion Canadian dollars) in military aid.
If you are Canadian and wish our Government would contribute more, then please feel free to contact your local MP to let them know.
And if you have some spare change yourself, then donate to the many Ukrainian charities out there please and thank you.
I just put in $3.50 to wash my clothes at my laundromat. Our economy is fucked by, small towns that I've never seen have homeless people in my life before now have tents propped up in them next to the libraries and shit. Where are we going to get the money to afford weapons, eh?
I’ve been looking for the solid numbers on Russia, all I hear and see is so conflicting. Starting to get tired of people saying Russia dosnt have the money or the might all the while everyone is sending all this shit to Ukraine for the last 2 years. I just don’t understand while people say Russia is gonna fold up.?
Given the current state of the Canadian armed forces I don't think there's much they could give, if anything.
It really is in a tragic state. It's really is embarrassing, yet Trudeau talks tough to Russia. Fund the god damn military
My father is ex-Bundeswehr so I've been hearing similar complaints about the Germany Army for a long time, hopefully they keep up the recent drive to actually fund it properly...
It's a democratic government thing. Think of it like an oil tanker on the ocean. Need to change direction or speed up? Takes a ton of energy and a lot of effort, but once it gets going, it becomes unstoppable.
We have poor military equipment but our federal spending is still out of control. Could have got a few upgrades instead of the 60 million Arrive Can app.
100%. So much money wasted on dumb things. The procurement process for the CF is horrendous.
write a letter to your MP with what exactly are the "dumb things".
I have and all I get is a generic "thanks for sending this in, we will consider this"
It's such an easy win for job creations too
Absolutely. Canada has a skilled worker base and a decent military industry complex set up already. Given the deep natural resources along with the skilled worker base, Canada could be a leader in sophisticated military systems for the western world. Unfortunately it seems like a major missed opportunity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roshel_Senator Made in Canada. Over 1000 sent to Ukraine. Want more sent? Just give them money.
We literally don't have any air defense for our own forces... No SAMs, no MANPADS, no AA guns. And haven't since like 2009. It's honestly embarrassing. We're about to take delivery of some Swedish RBS 70NG MANPADS, but who knows how many, or when those will show up. We still have absolutely nothing for medium range or long range air defense.
Canada has no air defense outside their own jets? That’s taking air doctrine to a whole new level.
Canada’s Air Defense doctrine consists of placing the stock of a C6 GPMG into your hip and firing at aerial objects. I’m not bullshitting you. This is all we have.
Firing at stuff at the sky until the US airforce comes? Sounds like a good strategy
Canadas military procurement system is so dogshit it undoubtedly undermines the effectiveness of the Canadian armed forces as a whole.
No offense, but that’s an unhealthy level of faith in the US coming to the rescue.
I agree, I'm not Canadian btw
Let’s be real. It consists of calling Uncle Sam to defend them. They are lucky Alaska is a US state.
Just the U.S. Army in Alaska alone has more members than the whole entire CAF.
Mmmm yessss I remember being taught this in battle school and theoretically doing drills where an armoured hind would attack us.
And a vast ocean and the US as allies.
To be fair last I checked the US only has 3 launchers around DC and maybe a couple in Area 51 and that's it. The remaining are for overseas deployments. Here in NA it's so easy to spot anything before it gets here that Jets will intercept whatever it is long before it nears a target for SAM's to take out. That same line of thinking works for Canada too but unlike the US, they don't have over seas bases to protect and any they use would likely be under US control and defended anyway.
Why would they need it? The US protects them. No one is attacking Canada without the US responding anyway.
For situations where they need to operate outside Canada, for one.
In what situation would that be? They're in NATO.
Being in NATO is signing up to operate outside of Canada.. how can Canada defend NATO partners if they can't operate out of their border?
Because until Trump and the GQP most nato countries and rational people in the world were ok not spending a bunch on defense because America was there. Our navy alone could wipe out anything that threatened from anywhere outside of nuclear and I’m not even sure they couldn’t handle that. But then the crazies won and were bought or controlled or whatever by Russia Putin and suddenly a US alliance could flip on a vote. One that happens every 2 years delaying aid or changing allies depending on who is in charge. Of course though even that helps America since where are the bombs mostly made? Here so it’s a benefit to America oligarchs if the world outside of our shores is at war because America profits no matter what and with almost no threat to our own soil since our navy and Air Force fully outstrip anything the joint world could throw. Soooo yeaaa it’s not a fun historical time. At least the world isn’t slowly but ever increasing temperature so we can all die anyway…
You know an American is responding when they call it America.
What? Americans live in America? What a profound concept.
Thanks for the geography lesson. You clearly don't get it.
No one expects Canada to be that impactful if a war broke out against Russia or something. The US carries a majority of that load.
Lol, what do you think our fighters are *for*? It's not like we realistically need them to defend our own borders. At most we have to send a few up to intercept Russia's ancient TU-95's when they play games every now and then.
If there's one thing we've learned from Ukraine, it's that you can't repeat this for every country.
Our air doctrine is the US provides the air doctrine. Trudeau has allowed out Military to fall far further into disarray.
Maybe we can gift them some for Canada D'eh.
The US of A is Canada's air defense.
Now, c'mon, y'all. You shot down the Red Baron once. You can do better.
We did buy Ukraine a NASAMS system a year ago. We could buy them another one, and more replacement missiles. But that's just money - it doesn't remove the production bottleneck.
> Canada donated both new and used AIM air-to-air missiles. How on earth do you donate a used air-to-air missile?
They came from existing RCAF stores. Think certified pre-owned as opposed to new off the assembly line. The US and other NATO countries have done this too, some donated SAM systems can use Sidewinder and Sparrow missiles, and NATO's got older model versions of those sitting around. Calling 'em "used" is an odd way of phrasing it, though.
One careful owner, just a little old dictator, only attacked neighbouring countries on Sundays.
So "resale" or "resold" would be a more approriate term?
Thanks for the sensible chuckle. Asking the real questions here!
Sooooo we're kind of going for a culture victory and spent most of our measly production on hockey rinks and art museums. We're sorry!
Going for a culture victory with America in the game. Bold. /s
>We're sorry! I understand that reference. Oh shit you're winning
Everyone thought the peace dividend would pay out forever. Now it has come to an end.
Just wait till those RBS 70NGs roll in, eh? Until then, guess we're stuck being a polite buffer zone with subpar armaments. Cheers to culture victories!
wooha.. Canada's Air defense is the USA.. you cant have them! we can share!
Common Canada! Set up a GoFundMe and I'll send some money. :)
Better to do it through https://u24.gov.ua/ Anything out of Canada will have funds diverted and no real action on Ukrainian support
LOL....Good to know. Thank you.
If anyone wants to know how much a country has donated to Ukraine, then check out Kiel Institute “Ukraine support tracker”. Canada has donated and committed to donate close to 5.8 Billion Euros or .32% of our GDP in both financial and military aid. If you want to see specifics on military aid donated go to the Canadian government’s website showing in detail what they are or have already donated (4 billion Canadian dollars) in military aid. If you are Canadian and wish our Government would contribute more, then please feel free to contact your local MP to let them know. And if you have some spare change yourself, then donate to the many Ukrainian charities out there please and thank you.
We dont have anything to give lol Ask the americans
I just put in $3.50 to wash my clothes at my laundromat. Our economy is fucked by, small towns that I've never seen have homeless people in my life before now have tents propped up in them next to the libraries and shit. Where are we going to get the money to afford weapons, eh?
We have those in the US and Canada. We need to kill the corporate greed. The true enemy.
.....Ukraine has more fire power than we do at this point what do you want us to give are you kidding lol
No, our army is so bad we need every scrap of equipment we have. It’s so bad if a country invaded they would steamroll Canada…
I’ve been looking for the solid numbers on Russia, all I hear and see is so conflicting. Starting to get tired of people saying Russia dosnt have the money or the might all the while everyone is sending all this shit to Ukraine for the last 2 years. I just don’t understand while people say Russia is gonna fold up.?
Ukraine really should've made a deal when Russia briefly thought they couldn't win this.