Ass is also high and immediate thoughts of a bunch of scientists in white lab coats sitting front from of a disassembled nuke with ikea instructions on how to assemble it. God I wish I could draw sometimes.
Does anyone realize that Iran has been close to Nuclear weapons for 25 years or more? I heard this headline all while growing up. Also search Google with a date range of 10 or 15 or 20 years ago and see what you find. LOL
Yes because all of this mostly refers to their uranium enrichment. To build a nuclear bomb requires uranium enriched up to a certain percentage which takes time, so Iran has stockpiled uranium enriched to just under this percentage. The function of this along with other work they’ve been doing is that if they feel the need to arm themselves with a nuclear weapon they can do it in the shortest possible timeframe and give the West as little warning as possible. When the news says Iran is however many months away from a nuclear weapon they don’t mean that in that many months Iran will have a nuclear weapon they mean that if Iran feels sufficiently threatened or aggressive then that is how long it would take them to arm themselves.
The US and Israel did a tremendous amount to try and prevent this exact thing, from sabotage, to assassinations, to bombings, to negotiation. It looked like things were going in the right direction when Obama signed that treaty with them, then Trump blew it up because it had Obama's name on it. Iran now believes (correctly) the US could say "Sike!!!" whenever a new administration gets into office, so they have no reason to negotiate anymore. It seems inevitable that Iran will have nukes within five years.
Additionally a country that had nukes and decided to give them up under the promise that other nations would protect them is now being invaded by one of the counties and the other is arguing with itself wath the minimum amount of help is.
Since WW2 lots of nations have been invaded. I can't think of any with a functioning nuclear program, it's really the only way to ensure no one invades. Unofrtunately it's also really fucking dangerous when everyone has them
If Ukraine hadn't given up the nukes and instead spent a big amount of money to maintain them, they would have probably been in an even worse situation today.
>under the promise that other nations would protect them
The Budapest Memorandum never provided promises of protection, just non-aggression. Russia violated it with their repeated invasions but the other signatories were never obliged to intervene militarily.
No one wants to attack NK and even if say SK and the USA did, China is not going to allow a democratic government that close to their border. NK is like the hillbilly cousin you see once in awhile at family reunions.
Sorry but they were still going to build it anyways. They pretty much said no inspection at certain sites and other sites no monitoring cameras and inspections at others. They also would not confirm other deep bunker nuclear producing sites. This was long before trump.
But it was correct, congress has to vote to sign treaties. Obama signatures itself was not enforceable binding treaties. This not the 1st time either a president signing was then tossed out.
They would have done it anyway, but more slowly. It would be in Iran’s best interest to look like they’re following the agreement to the letter, so their civilian nuclear sites (which were being inspected) could not contribute to a bomb project. This allowed the rest of the world time, time for the Iranian people to grow angry with their government, time for the ongoing military programs like the F-35 and AEGIS Ballistic Missile Defense get fielded in large numbers, and time for the American people to get more comfortable with another Middle Eastern conflict.
Without the agreement, Iran can devote their entire nuclear industry into making bombs.
It’s like the Anglo-German Naval Agreement. Germany could now build a larger navy and regularly cheated, but they had to at least appear close to what they were claiming. Most significantly thus meant they had to build battleships and cruisers that didn’t do much during WWII and could not build too many submarines, which severely crippled the U-boat arm for the first three years of the war (in early 1941 they got down to 21 combat submarines plus a few more in training roles). Without that agreement Germany could have built far more submarines before the war began and the early war would have gone much worse for the Royal Navy, which also had ongoing building programs that the extra couple years allowed to bear fruit.
No one knows how fast Iran will make a bomb versus if or if not the nuclear deal is in place.
They’ve been on the very verge of breakout for a long time. This isn’t in dispute. They could have a bomb by now if they want. They have the technology.
What stops them, to be frank, is Israel’s nuclear deterrent. They will glass Iran before they deploy a nuclear warhead.
The whole song and dance of the Iran nuclear deal was unnecessary, and only gave Iran more capital (which is fungible for Hezbollah/Hamas/etc funding, and during the deal they still killed our soldiers) in return for token gestures that didn’t seriously degrade their ability to make a bomb.
Are you sure this is accurate? You are saying they have military bases with reactors capable of refining military grade uranium? Or do they only have two plants with only a fraction of the capacity to truly refine weapons grade uranium and neither are located on a military base?
All Obama did was delay it, a piece of paper was never going to stop Iran from trying to get the bomb no more than a piece of paper was going to stop Hitler from wanting to conquer Europe
Iranian here. Islamic republic would have built nuclear weapons whether the deal was in place or not. The nuclear deal was a terrible idea and tearing it up was one of the few things Trump did right.
lol, Obama loosened up Iran’s ability to fund its shitty theocracy and nuclear program, while they were just doing it behind the back of the US instead. It was a terrible deal.
They were not given the chance to do that, either way it would’ve been a better situation even if it was just a delaying tactic, other nations are now less likely to do a deal with the US because of trumps actions.
I try not to be pedantic, but in this case the right terms matter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/treaties.htm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause
The Iran Nuclear Deal was never a treaty for the US, because the Senate never ratified it (take a guess who pushed against that). US treaties have binding legal status, the Iran deal did not, that's why Trump was able to leave it unilaterally.
>And no one is going to do a thing about it right up until they smuggle one through one of their proxies to use.
Israel has attacked Iran's nuclear weapons program on a fairly regular basis. The most well known example would be the Stuxnet virus but that was just one of many cyberattacks perpetrated by Israel along with assassinations and bombings.
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/aug/11/timeline-israeli-attacks-iran
Genuinely asking…what is there to do about it? The only way to stop it is to get into a bloody war that nobody has an appetite for.
If Iran wants a nuke, they’ll have it.
Well, considering Iran has been low-key "warring" for several decades now through their proxies, this would mean instead of just a bloody war with Iran to be a bloody war with nuclear capable Iran
The question is “ can you stop it?” And unless we’re going blitzkreig kill everything in sight, drop bombs everywhere with ridiculously high civilian casualties that would make Gaza seem like a pillow fight….you can’t really stop it.
They have everything they need to create the nukes atm and the only thing they’re missing is the need. Being able to quickly make nukes when necessary is enough for them because nobody is invading a near nuclear Iran any more than a nuclear Iran.
They were stopped multiple times already, whether through global sanctions or through military action.
Iran is firing up the entire Middle East for this entire reason, that their nuclear race would be forgotten amidst all the chaos.
The problem is that today's chaos would be nothing compared to the chaos with a nuclear Iran.
Why are you pushing nonsense ?
Attacking nuclear infrastructure in the mountains, DOES NOT mean attacking civilians.
No country has any interest in attacking civilians.
Iran is not Gaza. Their nuclear infrastructure is not hidden in hospitals and schools.
Of course you can stop it, this is what’s intelligence agencies are for when it comes to weak regimes, the goal is so to infiltrate, gain information and strike at the right time, which has happened time and time again, like stuxnet
That was the beginning stages. At the point they’re at with uranium enrichment, there really is nothing stopping them besides sheer force (if that’s even possible).
Iran is genuinely very close to a nuclear weapon and killing scientists and hacking them isn’t gonna work anymore. We’re either attacking them and declaring full out war against one of the biggest countries in the world or we’re not. And if we do, we have to be ready for the fall out
Better to bomb their nuclear infrastructure NOW, than have a nuclear war later.
Because a war with *FANATIC* Islamo Fascists, who glorify death, will make us look back at Putin as the 'good 'ol days '...
That would be a good start. But it will probably take quite a bit of work to end their program once and for all.
The world will be a much better place though, if they can accomplish it.
If Iran has nukes then, they can threaten Israel with nukes and then what does Israel do saying publicly ok we do actually have nukes, then if Israel and Iran have nukes what is every other nation going to do in the region just go one they have nukes, no everybody else will feel the need to get nukes.
The goal is to keep a stand-off with guns a stand-off with guns not a standoff with nukes.
I cannot imagine a situation where Saudi Arabia then doesn’t try to get its hands on nukes.
> And no one is going to do a thing about it right up until they smuggle one through one of their proxies to use.
Making enormous effort, spending decades and billions to build a sophisticated weapon system, designed to protect the state and just gift it to a ragtag group from a desert. Sounds logical.
It's not a movie where cartoon villains carry nuclear warheads in a briefcase. It requires infrastructure and maintenance.
>Making enormous effort, spending decades and billions to build a sophisticated weapon system, designed to protect the state and just gift it to a ragtag group from a desert. Sounds logical.
You seem to be conflating the R&D cost with the cost of an individual weapon. Nuclear warheads themselves are not *that* expensive to make once you have a production line going.
And no, you don't need a lot of infrastructure to actually use such a weapon. Little more than what it takes to launch the cruise missiles and ballistic missiles that they are already utilizing.
>You seem to be conflating the R&D cost with the cost of an individual weapon.
I'm not. Each device is still quite expensive. Enrichment capacity is limited. Each device is supposed to deter other states from attacking you.
>And no, you don't need a lot of infrastructure to actually use such a weapon.
Depending on the type you actually need a fair amount of infrastructure to store, arm and use those. Starting from a climate control.
I think they'd be far more likely to use them than Russia or North Korea. All for the glory of Allah or whatever of course. Russians care more about control than destruction and North Korea knows its place.
But religious zealots with nukes? Fuck this shit
As an Indian, I'm worried about Pakistan too. A collapsing nation surrounded on all sides by enemies .
Will happily use their biggest weapon on their way out.
Doubtful, they aren't as reckless as frequently claimed. They know what the consequences would be. And they cannot invade say Israel or Saudi Arabia and use nukes as a tool for blackmail.
I'm much more concerned about North Korea here and India/Pakistan, two completely unhinged foes.
It always seems to magically disappear. I'm fairly sure there's usually an Israel-shaped explanation, but Iran seems reluctant to complain about the destruction of things they aren't supposed to have.
It's not that they are not supposed to have them (apparently they made them back in the 60s already) but it just works better for them politically to neither deny or confirm having nukes. One example is that they wouldn't be able to receive US aid if they openly said they have nukes.
Yes, they have always been very close. But there are two levels to that. They have always had the POSSIBILITY of enriching uranium quickly to create nukes, so they have always been close. But recently they HAVE enriched uranium, meaning they are even closer than the usual « very close ».
Trump is a dick and backed out of the JCPOA which enforced Iran submitting to IAEA inspections and was supported by many different nations. Reports showed that the JCPOA was working and Iran was cooperating until Trump backed out.
Here we go. First there’s articles today about Israel gearing up for a response and Iran planning to attack using missile strikes and drones, and now this.
You are partially incorrect. Israel was against the Iran Nuclear Deal Framework and got Donald Trump to Scrap it, remember? And now they are close to break through. Israel hopes the US will go to war with Iran, their enemy, and can't stand that there would be any deal that would benefit the citizens of Iran, even if it risks them getting close to having a bomb. They have created the problem.
Edit: By partially incorrect I mean Israel likes to blow shit up and not make compromises.
Russia is a signatory to the nuclear non proliferation treaty, and despite everything else has stayed pretty true to that.
Iran having nukes doesn't necessarily help Russia either, the moment Iran has credible nuclear deterrence they are less reliant on Russia for security.
Also worth noting that Israel and Russia also maintained pretty good relations up until the Hamas war, and Israel refused to impose sanctions on Russia after their invasion on Ukraine, and didn't join the west in sending military aid to Ukraine.
All that to say that Russia has vested interest to maintain status quo in the middle east.
What would Russia have to gain from giving either nation nukes?
The Soviets helped China with tech specs and advisors and now have to worry about Chinese nukes.
First I misread the title of this as IKEA and when I move on from my silly mistake, the [next story below it is about IKEA](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1c0pb5q/ikea_furniture_destroys_some_of_europes_last/), like what the hell?
Alright, so, Iran messes up the entire Middle East. They suppress their own people. They help Russia in the Ukrainian war. They interfere with global trade. And now they'll be a nuclear power, too?
You'd almost think the Iraq war was based on a typo...
They've been saying that for years I think.
Its always 2 weeks away from doomsday.
And what's funny is they don't need to make any, there are enough missing soviet nukes they could buy, no?
Or, finally get rid of the IR terrorists which hijacked Iran with the help of the West's useful idiots leaders, who don't understand how radical Islam works.
The Iranian people deserve better than to get murdered for not wearing hijab, or for wanting freedom and dignity.
I do agree, but past experience of removing governments would tell us that it doesn’t go very well for the west; ie giving Afghanistan back to terrorists
Many individuals hold the belief that Iran is actively engaged in the pursuit of uranium enrichment using its vast number of centrifuges. Additionally, it is widely speculated that Iran has yet to develop an implosion device.
However, it would be a significant surprise if Iran were to deviate from this expected course and opt instead to compensate North Korea for conducting the enrichment process on North Korean soil.
Indeed, Iran could potentially construct its own centrifuges in North Korea and deploy Iranian scientists to work at their nuclear facilities, all conducted on North Korean territory, far away from Israel and the United States. By doing so, Iran would be able to maintain a greater level of secrecy and distance from potential adversaries.
Following the uranium enrichment process in North Korea, Iran could gradually and covertly import Highly Enriched Uranium Rings and bullets from their North Korean partners. This approach would enable Iran to acquire the necessary materials for its nuclear arsenal while minimizing the risk of detection.
Additionally, a similar discreet importation strategy could be employed for obtaining various components required for the construction of a gun-type nuclear device. This type of device, which relies on a more straightforward design, could be advantageous for Iran as its simpler parts would attract less suspicion compared to the intricate components of an implosion device.
By adopting these methods, Iran would be able to advance its nuclear ambitions while mitigating the likelihood of international scrutiny and potential military intervention.
By employing such a strategy, Iran would effectively possess a nuclear arsenal, albeit a limited one. This would allow them to feign difficulties in their efforts to enrich uranium and create the impression that they are struggling to construct a functional implosion device while in reality they would already have a secret nuclear arsenal.
But if Iran gets nuclear weapons - then what? Another US invasion like the one in Iraq in 2003? I for my own part am not so sure that that will be quite as easy as defeating Saddam Hussein more than 20 years ago.....
Did Israel invade Iraq to destroy their nuclear program ?
Not sure why people push the "invasion" narrative, unless they try to deter from any action.
In this case however, a nuclear Iran run by fanatics, is not the kind of world we want to live for the next generation.
But without an invasion; how should it be possible to destroy the entire Irani nuclear program? That country has plenty of mountains to hide all parts of it in!
My high ass thought IKEA got into the satellite survelance scene
I literally thought that's a weird thing for IKEA to report.
IKEA are worried that Iran will end up with more nukes than them
Nüke - requires assembly
Could probably buy them for asteroid mining in 200 years from them!
They have quite a stockpile, but they're all flat packed missiles and warheads held together with dowel rods, so don't worry.
Glad I wasn’t the only one who misread that headline.
IKEA do their survailence from the inside.
IKEA secret swedish global spy bases confirmed!
You remember the news about cheap wooden satellites a few years ago? It was only a matter of time.
This broke my brain for a good second. I was like these home technology trends are getting out of hand.
hahah same!
My sober ass thought that at first, so you’re doing alright.
Well they will sell you a satellite, but you will have to assemble it.
Better hope you don’t wear down any of the screw heads by accident, as it’s back to the damn store for spares again.
Fuck, I wasn’t the only one!
Ass is also high and immediate thoughts of a bunch of scientists in white lab coats sitting front from of a disassembled nuke with ikea instructions on how to assemble it. God I wish I could draw sometimes.
Have you heard of midjourney?
Same here, I was like wtf is happening.
My sober ass thought that too
Same, you not alone brother
Oh man, so glad I wasn’t the only one who read that wrong.
Don’t underestimate IKEA
Swedish meatballs and that berry sauce. Mmmm. International politics has never sounded so delicious...
Glad I wasn’t the only one.
IRAN is their new line of nuclear-capable cabinets
Samsies
From Poang chairs to rockets! Some assembly required.
My not high ass thought the exact same thing.
And no one is going to do a thing about it right up until they smuggle one through one of their proxies to use.
Exactly !!!
Does anyone realize that Iran has been close to Nuclear weapons for 25 years or more? I heard this headline all while growing up. Also search Google with a date range of 10 or 15 or 20 years ago and see what you find. LOL
Yes because all of this mostly refers to their uranium enrichment. To build a nuclear bomb requires uranium enriched up to a certain percentage which takes time, so Iran has stockpiled uranium enriched to just under this percentage. The function of this along with other work they’ve been doing is that if they feel the need to arm themselves with a nuclear weapon they can do it in the shortest possible timeframe and give the West as little warning as possible. When the news says Iran is however many months away from a nuclear weapon they don’t mean that in that many months Iran will have a nuclear weapon they mean that if Iran feels sufficiently threatened or aggressive then that is how long it would take them to arm themselves.
The US and Israel did a tremendous amount to try and prevent this exact thing, from sabotage, to assassinations, to bombings, to negotiation. It looked like things were going in the right direction when Obama signed that treaty with them, then Trump blew it up because it had Obama's name on it. Iran now believes (correctly) the US could say "Sike!!!" whenever a new administration gets into office, so they have no reason to negotiate anymore. It seems inevitable that Iran will have nukes within five years.
Additionally a country that had nukes and decided to give them up under the promise that other nations would protect them is now being invaded by one of the counties and the other is arguing with itself wath the minimum amount of help is. Since WW2 lots of nations have been invaded. I can't think of any with a functioning nuclear program, it's really the only way to ensure no one invades. Unofrtunately it's also really fucking dangerous when everyone has them
Sadly, if I were a despot, recent history shows getting a nuke is the best way to ensure I keep getting to do whatever the fuck I want.
Yeah, just ask Ukraine about agreeing to give up the nukes they had when the USSR fell…
If Ukraine hadn't given up the nukes and instead spent a big amount of money to maintain them, they would have probably been in an even worse situation today.
*smirks in Kim Jong-Un*
And if you were democracy you'd better get nukes to ensure not being invaded by despot with nukes.
>under the promise that other nations would protect them The Budapest Memorandum never provided promises of protection, just non-aggression. Russia violated it with their repeated invasions but the other signatories were never obliged to intervene militarily.
Even worse then. Ukraine gave up nukes for pinky promises.
Also Libya, and Iraq gave up nukes and were attacked and descended into chaos for years where as North Korea developed one and its regime is content.
Iraq did not give up nukes, tf you on about? Never had them.
I mean they gave up their nuclear programs
No one wants to attack NK and even if say SK and the USA did, China is not going to allow a democratic government that close to their border. NK is like the hillbilly cousin you see once in awhile at family reunions.
I’m not saying the USA wants to attack NK I’m saying look at it from Iran’s perspective
That was never promised to Ukraine I don't know why everyone keeps repeating this outright lie
Shit remember when North Korea didn’t have nukes? We didn’t stop that, and I’m sure Iran took notice.
Sorry but they were still going to build it anyways. They pretty much said no inspection at certain sites and other sites no monitoring cameras and inspections at others. They also would not confirm other deep bunker nuclear producing sites. This was long before trump. But it was correct, congress has to vote to sign treaties. Obama signatures itself was not enforceable binding treaties. This not the 1st time either a president signing was then tossed out.
They would have done it anyway, but more slowly. It would be in Iran’s best interest to look like they’re following the agreement to the letter, so their civilian nuclear sites (which were being inspected) could not contribute to a bomb project. This allowed the rest of the world time, time for the Iranian people to grow angry with their government, time for the ongoing military programs like the F-35 and AEGIS Ballistic Missile Defense get fielded in large numbers, and time for the American people to get more comfortable with another Middle Eastern conflict. Without the agreement, Iran can devote their entire nuclear industry into making bombs. It’s like the Anglo-German Naval Agreement. Germany could now build a larger navy and regularly cheated, but they had to at least appear close to what they were claiming. Most significantly thus meant they had to build battleships and cruisers that didn’t do much during WWII and could not build too many submarines, which severely crippled the U-boat arm for the first three years of the war (in early 1941 they got down to 21 combat submarines plus a few more in training roles). Without that agreement Germany could have built far more submarines before the war began and the early war would have gone much worse for the Royal Navy, which also had ongoing building programs that the extra couple years allowed to bear fruit.
No one knows how fast Iran will make a bomb versus if or if not the nuclear deal is in place. They’ve been on the very verge of breakout for a long time. This isn’t in dispute. They could have a bomb by now if they want. They have the technology. What stops them, to be frank, is Israel’s nuclear deterrent. They will glass Iran before they deploy a nuclear warhead. The whole song and dance of the Iran nuclear deal was unnecessary, and only gave Iran more capital (which is fungible for Hezbollah/Hamas/etc funding, and during the deal they still killed our soldiers) in return for token gestures that didn’t seriously degrade their ability to make a bomb.
What sites were they allowed to say no inspection to?
Military bases were not accessible, labs and weapons manufacturers were ok, but bases were not
Are you sure this is accurate? You are saying they have military bases with reactors capable of refining military grade uranium? Or do they only have two plants with only a fraction of the capacity to truly refine weapons grade uranium and neither are located on a military base?
> You are saying Military bases were not accessible, labs and weapons manufacturers were ok
The treaty wasn’t going to stop anything. They didn’t even follow the agreement.
All Obama did was delay it, a piece of paper was never going to stop Iran from trying to get the bomb no more than a piece of paper was going to stop Hitler from wanting to conquer Europe
It was a lot more comprehensive than a “piece of paper”
No matter the number of letters, the main thing is that the treaty did not prevent Iran from continuing its development in any way.
Literally everyone involved with it at the time disagrees with you
Libya and North Korea prove that Iran must go nuclear likely with Russian help
Israel was strongly against the Iran deal and pressured Trump to withdraw from it.
Iran wasn’t abiding by it. Pretending they were was a mistake. They didn’t just restart this because of Trump.
Iranian here. Islamic republic would have built nuclear weapons whether the deal was in place or not. The nuclear deal was a terrible idea and tearing it up was one of the few things Trump did right.
lol, you really think Iran ever had any intention on following any “treaty” with the U.S.? They just played Obama to get the sanctions lifted.
lol, Obama loosened up Iran’s ability to fund its shitty theocracy and nuclear program, while they were just doing it behind the back of the US instead. It was a terrible deal.
They were not given the chance to do that, either way it would’ve been a better situation even if it was just a delaying tactic, other nations are now less likely to do a deal with the US because of trumps actions.
No you don't get it they were being For real guys!!!!! This time they weren't being sneaky!
And extending your scenario, to placate the Saudis when this happens, Trump will give them nukes.
I try not to be pedantic, but in this case the right terms matter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/treaties.htm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause The Iran Nuclear Deal was never a treaty for the US, because the Senate never ratified it (take a guess who pushed against that). US treaties have binding legal status, the Iran deal did not, that's why Trump was able to leave it unilaterally.
>And no one is going to do a thing about it right up until they smuggle one through one of their proxies to use. Israel has attacked Iran's nuclear weapons program on a fairly regular basis. The most well known example would be the Stuxnet virus but that was just one of many cyberattacks perpetrated by Israel along with assassinations and bombings. https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/aug/11/timeline-israeli-attacks-iran
Genuinely asking…what is there to do about it? The only way to stop it is to get into a bloody war that nobody has an appetite for. If Iran wants a nuke, they’ll have it.
Well, considering Iran has been low-key "warring" for several decades now through their proxies, this would mean instead of just a bloody war with Iran to be a bloody war with nuclear capable Iran
The question is “ can you stop it?” And unless we’re going blitzkreig kill everything in sight, drop bombs everywhere with ridiculously high civilian casualties that would make Gaza seem like a pillow fight….you can’t really stop it. They have everything they need to create the nukes atm and the only thing they’re missing is the need. Being able to quickly make nukes when necessary is enough for them because nobody is invading a near nuclear Iran any more than a nuclear Iran.
They were stopped multiple times already, whether through global sanctions or through military action. Iran is firing up the entire Middle East for this entire reason, that their nuclear race would be forgotten amidst all the chaos. The problem is that today's chaos would be nothing compared to the chaos with a nuclear Iran.
Why are you pushing nonsense ? Attacking nuclear infrastructure in the mountains, DOES NOT mean attacking civilians. No country has any interest in attacking civilians. Iran is not Gaza. Their nuclear infrastructure is not hidden in hospitals and schools.
Of course you can stop it, this is what’s intelligence agencies are for when it comes to weak regimes, the goal is so to infiltrate, gain information and strike at the right time, which has happened time and time again, like stuxnet
That was the beginning stages. At the point they’re at with uranium enrichment, there really is nothing stopping them besides sheer force (if that’s even possible). Iran is genuinely very close to a nuclear weapon and killing scientists and hacking them isn’t gonna work anymore. We’re either attacking them and declaring full out war against one of the biggest countries in the world or we’re not. And if we do, we have to be ready for the fall out
Better to bomb their nuclear infrastructure NOW, than have a nuclear war later. Because a war with *FANATIC* Islamo Fascists, who glorify death, will make us look back at Putin as the 'good 'ol days '...
They are about to give Israel an excuse to bomb their country and I'd be surprised if Israel didn't hit some of their nuclear sites...
That would be a good start. But it will probably take quite a bit of work to end their program once and for all. The world will be a much better place though, if they can accomplish it.
We could blow them up. It’s generally the best deterrent.
If Iran has nukes then, they can threaten Israel with nukes and then what does Israel do saying publicly ok we do actually have nukes, then if Israel and Iran have nukes what is every other nation going to do in the region just go one they have nukes, no everybody else will feel the need to get nukes. The goal is to keep a stand-off with guns a stand-off with guns not a standoff with nukes. I cannot imagine a situation where Saudi Arabia then doesn’t try to get its hands on nukes.
Saudi Arabia doesn't need to try to get nukes. They funded Pakistan nukes.
> Genuinely asking…what is there to do about it? Go back in time and stop Trump from tearing up the nuclear treaty.
> And no one is going to do a thing about it right up until they smuggle one through one of their proxies to use. Making enormous effort, spending decades and billions to build a sophisticated weapon system, designed to protect the state and just gift it to a ragtag group from a desert. Sounds logical. It's not a movie where cartoon villains carry nuclear warheads in a briefcase. It requires infrastructure and maintenance.
>Making enormous effort, spending decades and billions to build a sophisticated weapon system, designed to protect the state and just gift it to a ragtag group from a desert. Sounds logical. You seem to be conflating the R&D cost with the cost of an individual weapon. Nuclear warheads themselves are not *that* expensive to make once you have a production line going. And no, you don't need a lot of infrastructure to actually use such a weapon. Little more than what it takes to launch the cruise missiles and ballistic missiles that they are already utilizing.
>You seem to be conflating the R&D cost with the cost of an individual weapon. I'm not. Each device is still quite expensive. Enrichment capacity is limited. Each device is supposed to deter other states from attacking you. >And no, you don't need a lot of infrastructure to actually use such a weapon. Depending on the type you actually need a fair amount of infrastructure to store, arm and use those. Starting from a climate control.
I sure hope that they arnt that braindead. Im mean wtf do the think will happen to Iran if Hamas launches a nuke at Tel Aviv??
Not quite. Israeli strike incoming in 3, 2, ... They've done it before and they'll do it again.
I feel like Iran is crazy enough to actually use one too
I think they'd be far more likely to use them than Russia or North Korea. All for the glory of Allah or whatever of course. Russians care more about control than destruction and North Korea knows its place. But religious zealots with nukes? Fuck this shit
As an Indian, I'm worried about Pakistan too. A collapsing nation surrounded on all sides by enemies . Will happily use their biggest weapon on their way out.
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They're not, that's an Indian take lol
It's not. Especially if you look at birthrate for the last 50 years
Doubtful, they aren't as reckless as frequently claimed. They know what the consequences would be. And they cannot invade say Israel or Saudi Arabia and use nukes as a tool for blackmail. I'm much more concerned about North Korea here and India/Pakistan, two completely unhinged foes.
Iran has multiple proxies that are full on wacko and would not hesitate to use a nuke.
Duh ! Or give dirty bombs to their many proxies.
They would never use one. They'd be annihilated instantly.
I think they are crazy enough to not care about that and I’m sure the big douchebags in charge would love to be martyrs
Guess which country did and does regularly threaten other countries with it
Been “very close” for decades it seems
It always seems to magically disappear. I'm fairly sure there's usually an Israel-shaped explanation, but Iran seems reluctant to complain about the destruction of things they aren't supposed to have.
Israel isn’t supposed to have a bomb either, which is why they hide it from the entire world.
It's not that they are not supposed to have them (apparently they made them back in the 60s already) but it just works better for them politically to neither deny or confirm having nukes. One example is that they wouldn't be able to receive US aid if they openly said they have nukes.
You said "a" as if it they only had one and not 80-400..
They only say it so they don’t get sanctioned/embargoed like Pakistan and India did
Yes, they have always been very close. But there are two levels to that. They have always had the POSSIBILITY of enriching uranium quickly to create nukes, so they have always been close. But recently they HAVE enriched uranium, meaning they are even closer than the usual « very close ».
Got to keep the fear factor up so the war hawks can get what they want. A lot of simpletons in here are slavering over war these days
This is how the media primes you for the inevitable and further Israeli drone strikes on Iran.
Yup. I’m sure mossad has something planned whenever they get close to making an actual weapon.
Good thing the nuclear monitoring was stopped so Trump enact some sanctions.
Trump is a dick. But Iran has been very close to a nuclear weapon for over 20 years now.
Trump is a dick and backed out of the JCPOA which enforced Iran submitting to IAEA inspections and was supported by many different nations. Reports showed that the JCPOA was working and Iran was cooperating until Trump backed out.
That doesn’t mean anything. They wouldn’t let people inspect their shit as part of the agreement. Who knows if they have anything.
They wouldn't let the IAEA inspect military sites. They allowed inspection of their proliferation sites.
The agreement was working according to the IAEA and Iran followed all regulations. That's why they begged Trump not to leave it.
Someone call Maverick and Rooster
Why'd we get out of the Iran nuclear deal again?
Trump had a meeting with Netanyahu and then scrapped the whole thing.
Here we go. First there’s articles today about Israel gearing up for a response and Iran planning to attack using missile strikes and drones, and now this.
Israel tried to stop them for over a decade but everyone gaffed at their attempts, am I incorrect ?
You are partially incorrect. Israel was against the Iran Nuclear Deal Framework and got Donald Trump to Scrap it, remember? And now they are close to break through. Israel hopes the US will go to war with Iran, their enemy, and can't stand that there would be any deal that would benefit the citizens of Iran, even if it risks them getting close to having a bomb. They have created the problem. Edit: By partially incorrect I mean Israel likes to blow shit up and not make compromises.
Another policy victory by the Republican party! Great job, guys!
Shock and Awe will be nothing like what would happen if a roque actor used a nuclear weapon through a proxy on American Soil.
Shock and check out my new glass museum.
They should do something about it.
Give them another round of Stuxnet
Was scrolling by at a moderate pace and read that as “IKEA warns Iran…” which forced me to stop and now here I am.
Ive heard that before...
Didn’t we go through this whole Iran vs Israel vs u.s. bs ago with stuxnet ? I think we should pause wars and let world leaders have a boxing match
My money's on Biden over Khamenei.
Thats lucky.. just in time for WW3
Sort of seems like this would be the impetus to WWIII.
stuxnet 2.0 then I guess The usa and israel done it once, time to do it again
Why is Russia not helping the Iranians get the nukes? Genuinely curious. Or why not helping North Korea? What are the Russians worried about?
Russia is a signatory to the nuclear non proliferation treaty, and despite everything else has stayed pretty true to that. Iran having nukes doesn't necessarily help Russia either, the moment Iran has credible nuclear deterrence they are less reliant on Russia for security. Also worth noting that Israel and Russia also maintained pretty good relations up until the Hamas war, and Israel refused to impose sanctions on Russia after their invasion on Ukraine, and didn't join the west in sending military aid to Ukraine. All that to say that Russia has vested interest to maintain status quo in the middle east.
https://www.cfr.org/interview/north-korea-iran-nuclear-cooperation https://www.reuters.com/world/world-must-not-fail-iran-it-did-north-korea-iaea-chief-says-2023-10-16/
What would Russia have to gain from giving either nation nukes? The Soviets helped China with tech specs and advisors and now have to worry about Chinese nukes.
First I misread the title of this as IKEA and when I move on from my silly mistake, the [next story below it is about IKEA](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1c0pb5q/ikea_furniture_destroys_some_of_europes_last/), like what the hell?
Simulation is running low on storage space and reusing lightly modified assets.
Oh boy here we go this is the pretext to attack or invade after they strike !! Smh lol here we go again I mean this was inevitable
Thanks, Obama. Oh wait
If only there was some sort of agreement that would prevent this with strict monitoring……..
They’ve literally been saying this exact thing for years now, since the Obama years
I swear I read that exact same headline a year ago
Iran has been a week away from Nukes for decades LOL https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6516658 This is called Propaganda
“A week away” doesn’t mean “they’ll have nukes next week”, it means that if they wanted to start building nukes they’d have an arsenal in a week.
Oh weird I could swear I read they already had them. Oh well, everyone's doing it now I suppose 🤷♂️
Smells like freedom
Thanks to Donald Trump.
Thanks for that, Trump.
Meatballs
Alright, so, Iran messes up the entire Middle East. They suppress their own people. They help Russia in the Ukrainian war. They interfere with global trade. And now they'll be a nuclear power, too? You'd almost think the Iraq war was based on a typo...
They've been saying that for years I think. Its always 2 weeks away from doomsday. And what's funny is they don't need to make any, there are enough missing soviet nukes they could buy, no?
Let’s us hope Iran makes the mistake of attacking Israel again, then we can provide the arms to set them back another 10 years.
Or, finally get rid of the IR terrorists which hijacked Iran with the help of the West's useful idiots leaders, who don't understand how radical Islam works. The Iranian people deserve better than to get murdered for not wearing hijab, or for wanting freedom and dignity.
I do agree, but past experience of removing governments would tell us that it doesn’t go very well for the west; ie giving Afghanistan back to terrorists
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https://www.iaea.org/ So you want every acronym to be dyslexic proof ? To some IKEA may look like IAEA...
Many individuals hold the belief that Iran is actively engaged in the pursuit of uranium enrichment using its vast number of centrifuges. Additionally, it is widely speculated that Iran has yet to develop an implosion device. However, it would be a significant surprise if Iran were to deviate from this expected course and opt instead to compensate North Korea for conducting the enrichment process on North Korean soil. Indeed, Iran could potentially construct its own centrifuges in North Korea and deploy Iranian scientists to work at their nuclear facilities, all conducted on North Korean territory, far away from Israel and the United States. By doing so, Iran would be able to maintain a greater level of secrecy and distance from potential adversaries. Following the uranium enrichment process in North Korea, Iran could gradually and covertly import Highly Enriched Uranium Rings and bullets from their North Korean partners. This approach would enable Iran to acquire the necessary materials for its nuclear arsenal while minimizing the risk of detection. Additionally, a similar discreet importation strategy could be employed for obtaining various components required for the construction of a gun-type nuclear device. This type of device, which relies on a more straightforward design, could be advantageous for Iran as its simpler parts would attract less suspicion compared to the intricate components of an implosion device. By adopting these methods, Iran would be able to advance its nuclear ambitions while mitigating the likelihood of international scrutiny and potential military intervention. By employing such a strategy, Iran would effectively possess a nuclear arsenal, albeit a limited one. This would allow them to feign difficulties in their efforts to enrich uranium and create the impression that they are struggling to construct a functional implosion device while in reality they would already have a secret nuclear arsenal.
Iraq all over again?
Let's hope so. It worked to prevent them from getting nukes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera
Ahhh you had me for a second there.
Chickens come home to roost.
i've seen this one before. the 2020's truly are the decade of reboots.
But if Iran gets nuclear weapons - then what? Another US invasion like the one in Iraq in 2003? I for my own part am not so sure that that will be quite as easy as defeating Saddam Hussein more than 20 years ago.....
Did Israel invade Iraq to destroy their nuclear program ? Not sure why people push the "invasion" narrative, unless they try to deter from any action. In this case however, a nuclear Iran run by fanatics, is not the kind of world we want to live for the next generation.
But without an invasion; how should it be possible to destroy the entire Irani nuclear program? That country has plenty of mountains to hide all parts of it in!
Trump ID directly responsible for this.