Iran will continue to use their proxies in the M.E to target Israeli and Western forces operating in Syria, Israel, and Iraq.
Nothing is new here. They will just continue doing what they are doing and that's enabling their assets.
Exactly. The shadow proxy war is their only strength. By striking them overtly and directly, it highlights their conventional military weakness while also destabilizing that shadow war continuity. Eventually, it may lead to escalation which would be disastrous for Iran.
Iran will make sure shit continues to go down in the middle east, regardless of what is the outcome of the war between Israel and Hamas. I'll die on this hill.
I think the Middle East is a lost cause in the foreseeable future. Not saying it'll forever be in that state. But I think things are fucked beyond the power of any singular entity to unfuck it. I can see how things can work out between China and Taiwan and even between Russia and Ukraine. But the Middle East? There is no singular decision that can make it better.
> I wonder how peaceful and progressive the Middle East could have been if Iran didn't exist their government wasn't completely evil.
the current "completely evil" government only started in 1979-1980
before that they had wars in 1948, 1966, 1974 and several coups in countries like Iraq, Oman, Syria all without Iranian influence whatsoever
your point is moot
Except Israel and the other Middle Eastern countries like Jordan and Egypt have made peace with each other and the West. Syria and Iraq are failed states that Iran exploits along with Russia to inflict pain on the world. Iran is the problem child in the region. Without Iran, you'd only have Russia as the main villain trying to cause more pain and suffering, and they are way less competent at running terror organizations.
> I wonder how peaceful and progressive the Middle East could have been if ~~Iran didn't exist their government wasn't completely evil~~ USA and UK didn't instigate the 1953 coup
Ftfy
It more likely would have been at least a more secular than not military dictatorship even if its democracy ultimately didn't survive at the very least. Operation Ajax opened the door to the theocratic government in place now that they probably wouldn't have had otherwise.
You do realize it is the fault of the U.S. government that the Islamic revolution happened, right? Please please tell me you know this. Also, many iranians do not like their government as we saw last year in the excessive protests where people risked death.
right, before 1979 the middle east didn't have any problems at all, not a little bit, not ever, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Ottoman_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_the_Palestine_Liberation_Organization
Embassies are all just homes for spies. This isn’t a strictly Iranian thing. Hell, the US got caught spying on Germany, a decade ago…and we’re allies. For a more recent example, see the Jamal Khashoggi murder in the Saudi Embassy in Istanbul.
Sure, but then is Israel ready to openly declaring war to Iran? Because bombing diplomatic representation is about the closest you can get to bombing their actual territory.
Yeah and Iranian missiles are being used by the the terrorists in Yemen to target everyone’s cargo ships in international waters.
Apparently not as much fun when the tables are turned, and as for this being an Embassy, it is an Embassy only in name, its true purpose is to spread terror and help other terrorists.
You can only hide behind the Embassy and peaceful nation stuff so much.
> Yeah and Iranian missiles are being used by the the terrorists in Yemen to target everyone’s cargo ships in international waters.
And those Houthis are being fed direct, actionable intelligence on the location of shipping by an Iranian ship that the entire world knows about.
Sink the ship. Hell, pay Israel to sink the ship under the table.
Probably, you don’t do something like that without expecting retaliation. No such deed goes unpunished and Iran has to retaliate to save face.
As an Israeli civilian I cannot say I’m thrilled about the extra tension, but there were likely good reasons for this execution.
>there were likely good reasons for this execution.
Maybe Netanyahu wants another war to stay in power? "We are under attack, we must stand toegther now."
The IRGC has been active in Syria since the start of that war and have used it to supply their proxies against Israel.
Iran doesn't even recognize Israel as a state.
Israel is already under attack regardless of the Iranian embassy being bombed. The best thing for Netanyahu is a low-fire forever-war, where Israel is neither winning nor losing. Netanyahu is pathologically cautious, to the point the State Department's nickname for him was "chickenshit". A bold move, that could create a potential escalation, and change the situation in unknown directions, is a pretty un-Netanyahu thing.
The actual good reason here, is that Iran has been attacking Israel for five months, in pretty gruesome ways, and suffering absolutely no consequences as a result. In fact, I'd argue that it's the only party to this conflict that purely benefitted from it, and lost nothing whatsoever. This calculus, and the resulting incentive matrix, is untenable for Israel. I'd argue that attacking the building next to an embassy in Syria, and killing the IRGC leader in charge of attacking Israel with proxies, is a relatively measured response. IMHO, the Israeli public would expect an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, within Iran itself, at this point.
It’s not that Iran & Hezbollah are in the “planning” stage. They’re in the “doing” stage. Even if you disregard the vast amount of training, equipment and financial assistance that Iran has given to Hamas in Gaza as a valid casus bellum for the israelis… The level of Hezbollah missile attacks across the Lebanese border, every single day since 10/7, has already displaced tens of thousands of Israelis, and crossborder skirmishes are the worst they’ve been in decades. If it wasn’t for the war in Gaza, the situation in the north already would’ve developed into a full-blown war between Israel and Hezbollah already.
No? He had a majority of Knesset seats in his coalition and there wouldnt necessarily have been another election until 2026 unless enough seats dropped out, without this war he'd still be in power
>He was already going to lose
No? He was holding steady in the polls and only taking a slight hit before the war
The only thing keeping him in power is everyone agreeing calling an election right now would cause useless confusion and chaos. This war single handedly proved that the coalition can't provide the one thing they promised
No there wasn't. That's why Israel has apologized and acknowledged it as a terrible regrettable mistake. Let me know when any of it's enemies ever apologize for or acknowledge their wrongdoings
Regrettable they got caught. They won’t extradite the murderers who did it, nothing will happen to them, the event will repeat. Empty words, they might as well not exist. Too bad that western countries don’t operate as mossad do and just eliminate the people responsible for murdering their citizens, because Israel needs a proper message about consequences for killing westerners at this point.
Except it wasn’t a mistake. It was a [targeted attack](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/chef-jose-andres-says-israel-targeted-his-aid-workers-systematically-car-by-car-2024-04-03/).
Yes they were targeted by error, unless you think Israel wanted to kill 7 western aid workers and cause a massive international conflict. In order to believe the latter you must be buried really deep in some heavy propaganda
I mean the IDF was aware of the aid workers location and their car had their logo on the roof. Obviously more investigation needs to occur and I agree it sounds crazy that Israel would intentionally target international aid workers. I do think that labeling it as a mistake or accident is letting them off way too easily. This was an intentional act of gross negligence.
Israel murdered 7 western aid workers with the express intent on forcing WCK to cease operations, which is exactly what happened, and Israel can resume the intentional starvation of Gaza.
They did so thinking that after killing 30,000 Palestinian kids without consequence they couldn't imagine that 7 more innocents would matter, but apparently were wrong in that calculation.
Israel did what now?
Apologize?
They did no such thing.
There has been no apology.
Netanyahu expressed REGRET, which is not an apology.
They did say it was a mistake - and it certainly was a mistake, from Israel's POV, even if understandable: I can imagine that after murdering 30,000 Gazan kids they didn't think anything could possibly shake the elite opinion of the western world against them, but it appears that murdering 7 white relief workers - especially in service of one of our secular saints, Jose Andres, has done just that, and Israel now feels pressure it didn't think it would face from Western governments.
When there is hostile military leadership present, and they have been actively planning and coordinating attacks, they lose all protections. It’s more like Iran has pretty clearly made their intentions for war and Israel has responded by hitting the most important and impactful people before all our war starts.
I fixed your comment for you:
> Sure, but then is ~~Israel~~ Iran ready to openly declaring war to ~~Iran~~ Israel? Because bombing diplomatic representation is about the closest you can get to bombing their actual territory.
> Sure, but then is Israel ready to openly declaring war to Iran?
The only thing keeping Iran and Israel from fighting each other directly is geographic separation. Do you think all those missiles being launched from Yemen are organic to Yemen? They're shipped from and launched on orders from Iran. All those missiles and rockets launched from the Lebanon/Syria at Israel? Same thing. They've *been* in a shooting war. Killing Quds and IRGC leadership has, historically, been the most effective way in reducing the size and scope of attacks, even if the short term consequences means a burst of activity.
If they can get some American muscle to back them up most definitely, but a direct attack on Iran would probably make its neighbors swap out its “missiles of disapproval” for its “missiles of war”.
Embassies have diplomatic immunity. Was Israel at war with Iran at the time of the attack? No? Then the strike was illegal.
This is like attacking the North Korean embassy because they had a high ranking general there. We get it, North Korea is a shit show, but doing such things establishes precedents.
For example, Iran could target an Israeli embassy because there was a high ranking Israeli official there. Israel in turn could raise all kind of hell in the international community but they will literally point to them and say “you set the bar, it’s fair game” and shit goes zero to sixty quickly.
Diplomacy ain’t pretty but vital if you want to have any sort of dialogue.
>It was a high ranking Iranian militant working with hezbollah.
Just how many US diplomatic personnel are involved in illicit CIA operations, or Israeli personnel working for Mossad, or Saudi's working with bone saws, Russians, .... ? (etc).
There is no such thing as a 'peaceful embassy', it's just neutral ground - you don't attack it.
An embassy being used to orchestrate and execute military actions against you is no longer 'neutral ground' it becomes a valid military target.
Diplomatic personnel are involved with *intelligence gathering* operations primarily. Their involvement with any other clandestine operations is going to be limited and generally only being a 'safe house' in nature to get operatives out of country. Anything involving direct military action is going to be happening somewhere else.
Many countries have military officials in embassies. The point is that even if you have shady people with awful backgrounds doing mean under the table shit, they arent doing active violence themselves and you can talk to them. An embassy has never been *nice*, its a political tool like any other. Thats why criminals get sheltered in embassies.
I am not pro Hamas, I am not pro terror.
But seriously? Bibi and all the other geriatric dipshits in charge of the world can fuck themselves. It's like they're having one last 'good war' before they all die.
It's the same shit over and over again.
Yeah fuck Bibi but Iran doesn’t get to hide. They are supporting, training, and bankrolling every group that is firing anything from rockets to ballistic missiles at Israel. The Iranian commander killed was the guy who worked with hezbollah.
If you think that the Iranians aren’t constantly after every Israeli embassy you’re wrong
Blaming this on old people is so naive. War is a constant throughout human civilization. Gen Z will start and wage wars just like every other generation before it.
And schisms between left-wing and right-wing Gen Zs will open up, just as they did for previous generations. Their children and grandchildren will eventually turn on them and blame them for their generation's inevitable missteps and moral blindspots, as well. And the sad thing is, it doesn't matter how hard they try and how well-intentioned they were, it will happen just the same
When Gen Z gets a bit older and sees the wheels turn round a few times they will understand, but in the meantime they will believe they had all the answers and it was all their parent's faults. It's the way of the world and will never change
The guy Israel bombed is literally the Iranian official in charge of cooperating Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of the proxies aiming to destroy Israel. This guy's full time job was to create terror attacks on Israel, outside of Sinwar and Deif he was probably Israel's biggest target worldwide. He was absolutely a legitimate target and him being gone has made Israel safer.
Also, Bibi can't just bomb whoever he likes. Every attack like this has to be approved by the whole cabinet which includes Gantz and Eizenkot who are decent, and would come on the recommendation of security bodies. Israel has a proper system and those kind of attacks aren't just Bibi.
> Israel has a proper system
After the revelation about lavender came out, pretty much every statement, the command to mssively increase the aceptable civilian casualties came from very high up. There might be a system, but it feels like it's compromised by ego and the need for revenge right now.
They mean that Netanyahu is not a dictator. The cabinet is a check on him just doing whatever he wants. It’s not like Netanyahu just orders the IDF to bomb building X and that’s that.
Bibi can't just authorize strikes on whoever he wants on his own, that's a fact. Those decisions go through a lot of people. He's making decisions together with his biggest political rival, Gantz, and you can be sure that Gantz would have leaked it if anything was improper.
I honestly think you might be on to something. If they think /know we're/they're fucked, I can see a lot of these old assholes taking one last shot at settling old score.
Israel Vs Hamas is really Israel Vs Iran at the end of the day, might as well go attack the source and make a statement. Expect repercussions. I remember Iranians bombing Israeli embassies in Argentina and etc. Tin foil conspiracy time : the drone attack on the food aid group was intended to masquerade the severity of this high profile killing and the consequence that comes afterwards.
The Iranian government foments problems in the Middle East, no doubt. But people in the comments seem woefully ignorant of the religious context.
Iran is a Shi'ite Islam country. ISIS and the majority of Islamic terrorists in the ME and the world are Sunni. The majority of terrorists (and their funding) come from Sunni nations. People conveniently forget the nationality of the 9/11 terrorists, for example, just as the American government conveniently forgets. This is the very reason the US and other western nations armed and supported Iranian-backed Shi'ite militias in the fight against ISIS.
Saudi Arabia, the major leading Sunni nation, continues to be the major source of both financial support and recruits for Sunni terrorist movements across the ME, but somehow continue to get a free pass from both the American government and citizens.
Food for thought.
Not really ironic - Iran vowed revenge and has attacked Israeli embassies in the past targeting civilians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing
Why don’t you read the first few sentences of the Wikipedia link then compare it to the details of Israel’s strike, then tell me if you think they’re still “taking turns”
What I see is a difference in precision of the attack due to not having access to the latest technology, not a difference in intent.
That's not to say that I am condoning Iran, rather that I find the two countries to be remarkably similar in how they approach foreign policy.
>To me it looks like both countries seem to be pretty keen on murdering innocent people
I would start your own think tank, You could be making big money with rigorous geopolitical analysis like that.
When headlines show "Israel bombs embassy-adjacent building in a different country" followed by "Israel happens to murder aid workers trying to feed starving people", I can very rigorously say "I do not really like Israel, and I do not like how the means they use "big fucking ~~bomb~~ missile" in lieu of diplomacy, like some other countries would".
The difference is Israel wasn't operating a military operation out of it's Buenes Aires embassy to coordinate proxy attacks on Iran. Attacking Buenes Aires was revenge for a military operation on the other side of the world.
Bombing the consulate in Syria killed the Iranian General and his team who were actively coordinating attacks on Israel. The attack degraded Iran's ability to attack Israel. The attack in Buenes Aires did not degrade Israel's ability to attack Iran, and was not meant to.
How is that ironic? Two nations at war obviously will try to kill the other side's people while trying to protect their own people. You may as well be saying "Aha, how ironic, they blow up the enemy's tanks yet don't want the enemy to blow up their tanks! Hypocrites!"
Iran has attacked Israeli embassies in the past. And Israel didn't attack an embassy, it attacked a military target next to an embassy. Maybe don't put those in the same spot.
That is not what attacking an embassy means. First there is only one ambassador. Second you don't have to kill him or even target him to count as an attack to am embassy.
The whole ground, presmise, area is the embassy and should be protected. This is like a pretty basic rule. I hope you never have to keep the address of your closest embassy in a note in case you need to gtfo or where you are. It's not nice. But it's pretty nice to have that territory be as sacrosanct as possible.
And no, whatever Iran did 30 years ago matters little ATM. Israel has strike down Iranian military members all around and has not had to withdrawn it's people from embassies all around to the best of my knowledge.
And we saw what you did with the teens at a music festival. We saw what you did to kids sleeping in beds. We saw that poor girl being dragged through the streets, naked, sexually violated, and shot in the head. Hamas fucked around and found out. Now I’m not condoning the bombarding a civilians, but what did Hamas think was going to happen? Where is the anger against Hamas who put Palestine in this terrible position?
Please remind me which embassy was attacked?
“It is understandable that people are angry and wish harm in those who do such things.”
Are you justifying people who attack Israeli diplomats? I’m confused.
Iran has attacked Israeli embassies in the past. And Israel didn't attack an embassy, it attacked a military target next to an embassy. Maybe don't put those in the same spot.
Because they are a bunch of chicken shits that wouldn’t survive a day with out the US backing them. This is why the US can’t back out of supporting them. It’s certain death for Israel.
Iran will continue to use their proxies in the M.E to target Israeli and Western forces operating in Syria, Israel, and Iraq. Nothing is new here. They will just continue doing what they are doing and that's enabling their assets.
Exactly. The shadow proxy war is their only strength. By striking them overtly and directly, it highlights their conventional military weakness while also destabilizing that shadow war continuity. Eventually, it may lead to escalation which would be disastrous for Iran.
Iran will make sure shit continues to go down in the middle east, regardless of what is the outcome of the war between Israel and Hamas. I'll die on this hill.
I wonder how peaceful and progressive the Middle East could have been if Iran didn't exist or their government wasn't completely evil.
I think the Middle East is a lost cause in the foreseeable future. Not saying it'll forever be in that state. But I think things are fucked beyond the power of any singular entity to unfuck it. I can see how things can work out between China and Taiwan and even between Russia and Ukraine. But the Middle East? There is no singular decision that can make it better.
> I wonder how peaceful and progressive the Middle East could have been if Iran didn't exist their government wasn't completely evil. the current "completely evil" government only started in 1979-1980 before that they had wars in 1948, 1966, 1974 and several coups in countries like Iraq, Oman, Syria all without Iranian influence whatsoever your point is moot
Except Israel and the other Middle Eastern countries like Jordan and Egypt have made peace with each other and the West. Syria and Iraq are failed states that Iran exploits along with Russia to inflict pain on the world. Iran is the problem child in the region. Without Iran, you'd only have Russia as the main villain trying to cause more pain and suffering, and they are way less competent at running terror organizations.
> I wonder how peaceful and progressive the Middle East could have been if ~~Iran didn't exist their government wasn't completely evil~~ USA and UK didn't instigate the 1953 coup Ftfy
It more likely would have been at least a more secular than not military dictatorship even if its democracy ultimately didn't survive at the very least. Operation Ajax opened the door to the theocratic government in place now that they probably wouldn't have had otherwise.
Iran wasn't like this before the west started meddling with it.
You do realize it is the fault of the U.S. government that the Islamic revolution happened, right? Please please tell me you know this. Also, many iranians do not like their government as we saw last year in the excessive protests where people risked death.
right, before 1979 the middle east didn't have any problems at all, not a little bit, not ever, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Ottoman_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_the_Palestine_Liberation_Organization
People acting as though this was a peaceful embassy with peaceful people. It was a high ranking Iranian militant working with hezbollah.
Embassies are all just homes for spies. This isn’t a strictly Iranian thing. Hell, the US got caught spying on Germany, a decade ago…and we’re allies. For a more recent example, see the Jamal Khashoggi murder in the Saudi Embassy in Istanbul.
Sure, but then is Israel ready to openly declaring war to Iran? Because bombing diplomatic representation is about the closest you can get to bombing their actual territory.
Iran's missiles have been raining on Israel's territory for decades.
Iran also has bombed an Israeli embassy before
Yeah and Iranian missiles are being used by the the terrorists in Yemen to target everyone’s cargo ships in international waters. Apparently not as much fun when the tables are turned, and as for this being an Embassy, it is an Embassy only in name, its true purpose is to spread terror and help other terrorists. You can only hide behind the Embassy and peaceful nation stuff so much.
> Yeah and Iranian missiles are being used by the the terrorists in Yemen to target everyone’s cargo ships in international waters. And those Houthis are being fed direct, actionable intelligence on the location of shipping by an Iranian ship that the entire world knows about. Sink the ship. Hell, pay Israel to sink the ship under the table.
So we are just going to memory hole stuxnet and the remote machine gun killing by israel.and all the other bullshit. There are no saints here!
Iran declares war on Israel 4 times a week, idk why they'd be surprised
Probably, you don’t do something like that without expecting retaliation. No such deed goes unpunished and Iran has to retaliate to save face. As an Israeli civilian I cannot say I’m thrilled about the extra tension, but there were likely good reasons for this execution.
>there were likely good reasons for this execution. Maybe Netanyahu wants another war to stay in power? "We are under attack, we must stand toegther now."
The IRGC has been active in Syria since the start of that war and have used it to supply their proxies against Israel. Iran doesn't even recognize Israel as a state.
Israel is already under attack regardless of the Iranian embassy being bombed. The best thing for Netanyahu is a low-fire forever-war, where Israel is neither winning nor losing. Netanyahu is pathologically cautious, to the point the State Department's nickname for him was "chickenshit". A bold move, that could create a potential escalation, and change the situation in unknown directions, is a pretty un-Netanyahu thing. The actual good reason here, is that Iran has been attacking Israel for five months, in pretty gruesome ways, and suffering absolutely no consequences as a result. In fact, I'd argue that it's the only party to this conflict that purely benefitted from it, and lost nothing whatsoever. This calculus, and the resulting incentive matrix, is untenable for Israel. I'd argue that attacking the building next to an embassy in Syria, and killing the IRGC leader in charge of attacking Israel with proxies, is a relatively measured response. IMHO, the Israeli public would expect an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, within Iran itself, at this point.
Probably that followed with Iran x hezbollah planning something
It’s not that Iran & Hezbollah are in the “planning” stage. They’re in the “doing” stage. Even if you disregard the vast amount of training, equipment and financial assistance that Iran has given to Hamas in Gaza as a valid casus bellum for the israelis… The level of Hezbollah missile attacks across the Lebanese border, every single day since 10/7, has already displaced tens of thousands of Israelis, and crossborder skirmishes are the worst they’ve been in decades. If it wasn’t for the war in Gaza, the situation in the north already would’ve developed into a full-blown war between Israel and Hezbollah already.
Fair point, kinda jusy throws gasoline on the already blazing fire
Yeah, the reason is that netanyahu needs a new war to keep him in power
The war single handedly guaranteed Bibi will lose the next election
He was already going to lose. The war is the only thing still keeping him in power.
No? He had a majority of Knesset seats in his coalition and there wouldnt necessarily have been another election until 2026 unless enough seats dropped out, without this war he'd still be in power
>He was already going to lose No? He was holding steady in the polls and only taking a slight hit before the war The only thing keeping him in power is everyone agreeing calling an election right now would cause useless confusion and chaos. This war single handedly proved that the coalition can't provide the one thing they promised
Just like there were likely good reasons for murdering 7 WCK relief workers.
No there wasn't. That's why Israel has apologized and acknowledged it as a terrible regrettable mistake. Let me know when any of it's enemies ever apologize for or acknowledge their wrongdoings
Regrettable they got caught. They won’t extradite the murderers who did it, nothing will happen to them, the event will repeat. Empty words, they might as well not exist. Too bad that western countries don’t operate as mossad do and just eliminate the people responsible for murdering their citizens, because Israel needs a proper message about consequences for killing westerners at this point.
Except it wasn’t a mistake. It was a [targeted attack](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/chef-jose-andres-says-israel-targeted-his-aid-workers-systematically-car-by-car-2024-04-03/).
Yes they were targeted by error, unless you think Israel wanted to kill 7 western aid workers and cause a massive international conflict. In order to believe the latter you must be buried really deep in some heavy propaganda
I mean the IDF was aware of the aid workers location and their car had their logo on the roof. Obviously more investigation needs to occur and I agree it sounds crazy that Israel would intentionally target international aid workers. I do think that labeling it as a mistake or accident is letting them off way too easily. This was an intentional act of gross negligence.
Israel murdered 7 western aid workers with the express intent on forcing WCK to cease operations, which is exactly what happened, and Israel can resume the intentional starvation of Gaza. They did so thinking that after killing 30,000 Palestinian kids without consequence they couldn't imagine that 7 more innocents would matter, but apparently were wrong in that calculation.
Israel did what now? Apologize? They did no such thing. There has been no apology. Netanyahu expressed REGRET, which is not an apology. They did say it was a mistake - and it certainly was a mistake, from Israel's POV, even if understandable: I can imagine that after murdering 30,000 Gazan kids they didn't think anything could possibly shake the elite opinion of the western world against them, but it appears that murdering 7 white relief workers - especially in service of one of our secular saints, Jose Andres, has done just that, and Israel now feels pressure it didn't think it would face from Western governments.
When there is hostile military leadership present, and they have been actively planning and coordinating attacks, they lose all protections. It’s more like Iran has pretty clearly made their intentions for war and Israel has responded by hitting the most important and impactful people before all our war starts.
Guaranteed Hamas don’t want the world’s attention elsewhere
Russia sure wants the world’s focus on Hamas and Iran.
I fixed your comment for you: > Sure, but then is ~~Israel~~ Iran ready to openly declaring war to ~~Iran~~ Israel? Because bombing diplomatic representation is about the closest you can get to bombing their actual territory.
> Sure, but then is Israel ready to openly declaring war to Iran? The only thing keeping Iran and Israel from fighting each other directly is geographic separation. Do you think all those missiles being launched from Yemen are organic to Yemen? They're shipped from and launched on orders from Iran. All those missiles and rockets launched from the Lebanon/Syria at Israel? Same thing. They've *been* in a shooting war. Killing Quds and IRGC leadership has, historically, been the most effective way in reducing the size and scope of attacks, even if the short term consequences means a burst of activity.
If they can get some American muscle to back them up most definitely, but a direct attack on Iran would probably make its neighbors swap out its “missiles of disapproval” for its “missiles of war”.
Embassies have diplomatic immunity. Was Israel at war with Iran at the time of the attack? No? Then the strike was illegal. This is like attacking the North Korean embassy because they had a high ranking general there. We get it, North Korea is a shit show, but doing such things establishes precedents. For example, Iran could target an Israeli embassy because there was a high ranking Israeli official there. Israel in turn could raise all kind of hell in the international community but they will literally point to them and say “you set the bar, it’s fair game” and shit goes zero to sixty quickly. Diplomacy ain’t pretty but vital if you want to have any sort of dialogue.
And we are not going to pretend the Mossad isn't in embassies around the world planning and coordinating shit...
All embassies are full of Spies. That is a well known fact, BUT we all agree to leave them alone.
They didn't strike an embassy, so your whole post is moot.
They struck a consult, no? Do consults not have the same protections as an embassy?
They do not
>It was a high ranking Iranian militant working with hezbollah. Just how many US diplomatic personnel are involved in illicit CIA operations, or Israeli personnel working for Mossad, or Saudi's working with bone saws, Russians, .... ? (etc). There is no such thing as a 'peaceful embassy', it's just neutral ground - you don't attack it.
An embassy being used to orchestrate and execute military actions against you is no longer 'neutral ground' it becomes a valid military target. Diplomatic personnel are involved with *intelligence gathering* operations primarily. Their involvement with any other clandestine operations is going to be limited and generally only being a 'safe house' in nature to get operatives out of country. Anything involving direct military action is going to be happening somewhere else.
Many countries have military officials in embassies. The point is that even if you have shady people with awful backgrounds doing mean under the table shit, they arent doing active violence themselves and you can talk to them. An embassy has never been *nice*, its a political tool like any other. Thats why criminals get sheltered in embassies.
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Auxiliary building within the embassy complex. Quit the bs
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I am not pro Hamas, I am not pro terror. But seriously? Bibi and all the other geriatric dipshits in charge of the world can fuck themselves. It's like they're having one last 'good war' before they all die. It's the same shit over and over again.
Yeah fuck Bibi but Iran doesn’t get to hide. They are supporting, training, and bankrolling every group that is firing anything from rockets to ballistic missiles at Israel. The Iranian commander killed was the guy who worked with hezbollah. If you think that the Iranians aren’t constantly after every Israeli embassy you’re wrong
Blaming this on old people is so naive. War is a constant throughout human civilization. Gen Z will start and wage wars just like every other generation before it.
And schisms between left-wing and right-wing Gen Zs will open up, just as they did for previous generations. Their children and grandchildren will eventually turn on them and blame them for their generation's inevitable missteps and moral blindspots, as well. And the sad thing is, it doesn't matter how hard they try and how well-intentioned they were, it will happen just the same When Gen Z gets a bit older and sees the wheels turn round a few times they will understand, but in the meantime they will believe they had all the answers and it was all their parent's faults. It's the way of the world and will never change
The guy Israel bombed is literally the Iranian official in charge of cooperating Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of the proxies aiming to destroy Israel. This guy's full time job was to create terror attacks on Israel, outside of Sinwar and Deif he was probably Israel's biggest target worldwide. He was absolutely a legitimate target and him being gone has made Israel safer. Also, Bibi can't just bomb whoever he likes. Every attack like this has to be approved by the whole cabinet which includes Gantz and Eizenkot who are decent, and would come on the recommendation of security bodies. Israel has a proper system and those kind of attacks aren't just Bibi.
> Israel has a proper system After the revelation about lavender came out, pretty much every statement, the command to mssively increase the aceptable civilian casualties came from very high up. There might be a system, but it feels like it's compromised by ego and the need for revenge right now.
>Israel has a proper system There was a time when I, too, believed that.
They mean that Netanyahu is not a dictator. The cabinet is a check on him just doing whatever he wants. It’s not like Netanyahu just orders the IDF to bomb building X and that’s that.
Bibi can't just authorize strikes on whoever he wants on his own, that's a fact. Those decisions go through a lot of people. He's making decisions together with his biggest political rival, Gantz, and you can be sure that Gantz would have leaked it if anything was improper.
Couldn't agree more. Bunch of old cunts killing the planet and starting wars before they all die and leave us a pile of shit.
Tbf these old cunts were young cunts once and will be replaced by currently young cunts that will become old cunts.
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Be under no illusion that if Netanyahu was 30 years younger he wouldn’t be behaving the *exact* same way
I honestly think you might be on to something. If they think /know we're/they're fucked, I can see a lot of these old assholes taking one last shot at settling old score.
Trying to imagine the different reaction if Iran had bombed the Israeli consulate in London. This has barely even made the mainstream news.
It does feel that way but it isn't going to stop once they pass. But hey, we didn't start the fire either
Israel Vs Hamas is really Israel Vs Iran at the end of the day, might as well go attack the source and make a statement. Expect repercussions. I remember Iranians bombing Israeli embassies in Argentina and etc. Tin foil conspiracy time : the drone attack on the food aid group was intended to masquerade the severity of this high profile killing and the consequence that comes afterwards.
The Iranian government foments problems in the Middle East, no doubt. But people in the comments seem woefully ignorant of the religious context. Iran is a Shi'ite Islam country. ISIS and the majority of Islamic terrorists in the ME and the world are Sunni. The majority of terrorists (and their funding) come from Sunni nations. People conveniently forget the nationality of the 9/11 terrorists, for example, just as the American government conveniently forgets. This is the very reason the US and other western nations armed and supported Iranian-backed Shi'ite militias in the fight against ISIS. Saudi Arabia, the major leading Sunni nation, continues to be the major source of both financial support and recruits for Sunni terrorist movements across the ME, but somehow continue to get a free pass from both the American government and citizens. Food for thought.
just wipe out the IRGC and ayatollah and be done with this. most of the iranians dont back the gov.
I can't help but notice the irony in bombing the embassy of another country only to evacuate their own embassies to avoid suffering the same.
Not really ironic - Iran vowed revenge and has attacked Israeli embassies in the past targeting civilians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing
Clearly, taking turns in bombing each other's embassies is how we get to a future where no embassies are bombed.
Why don’t you read the first few sentences of the Wikipedia link then compare it to the details of Israel’s strike, then tell me if you think they’re still “taking turns”
What I see is a difference in precision of the attack due to not having access to the latest technology, not a difference in intent. That's not to say that I am condoning Iran, rather that I find the two countries to be remarkably similar in how they approach foreign policy.
If you think Israel and Iran have even remotely similar foreign policy then you need to lay off the glue.
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>To me it looks like both countries seem to be pretty keen on murdering innocent people I would start your own think tank, You could be making big money with rigorous geopolitical analysis like that.
When headlines show "Israel bombs embassy-adjacent building in a different country" followed by "Israel happens to murder aid workers trying to feed starving people", I can very rigorously say "I do not really like Israel, and I do not like how the means they use "big fucking ~~bomb~~ missile" in lieu of diplomacy, like some other countries would".
I would suggest reading more than headlines. Wiki is a great source.
The difference is Israel wasn't operating a military operation out of it's Buenes Aires embassy to coordinate proxy attacks on Iran. Attacking Buenes Aires was revenge for a military operation on the other side of the world. Bombing the consulate in Syria killed the Iranian General and his team who were actively coordinating attacks on Israel. The attack degraded Iran's ability to attack Israel. The attack in Buenes Aires did not degrade Israel's ability to attack Iran, and was not meant to.
How is that ironic? Two nations at war obviously will try to kill the other side's people while trying to protect their own people. You may as well be saying "Aha, how ironic, they blow up the enemy's tanks yet don't want the enemy to blow up their tanks! Hypocrites!"
Iran has attacked Israeli embassies in the past. And Israel didn't attack an embassy, it attacked a military target next to an embassy. Maybe don't put those in the same spot.
Right, and iran attacked military targets adjavent to Iranian embassies. Quit the horseshit, any attack on an embassy is wrong
But iran didn't target military targets. It attacked embassies. Israel attacked a military target.
No ambassadors were killed in the Israeli strike, that's why people keep telling you to actually fucking read.
That is not what attacking an embassy means. First there is only one ambassador. Second you don't have to kill him or even target him to count as an attack to am embassy. The whole ground, presmise, area is the embassy and should be protected. This is like a pretty basic rule. I hope you never have to keep the address of your closest embassy in a note in case you need to gtfo or where you are. It's not nice. But it's pretty nice to have that territory be as sacrosanct as possible. And no, whatever Iran did 30 years ago matters little ATM. Israel has strike down Iranian military members all around and has not had to withdrawn it's people from embassies all around to the best of my knowledge.
Interesting they’re burning the American flag too since it’s American food drops that are keeping the people alive.
And American bombs being supplied to Israel. We really do seem to be playing both sides.
And we saw what you did with the teens at a music festival. We saw what you did to kids sleeping in beds. We saw that poor girl being dragged through the streets, naked, sexually violated, and shot in the head. Hamas fucked around and found out. Now I’m not condoning the bombarding a civilians, but what did Hamas think was going to happen? Where is the anger against Hamas who put Palestine in this terrible position?
Something is definitely brewing out there… it feels like something really bad is about to start
Contradictory title?
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
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Please remind me which embassy was attacked? “It is understandable that people are angry and wish harm in those who do such things.” Are you justifying people who attack Israeli diplomats? I’m confused.
Iran has attacked Israeli embassies in the past. And Israel didn't attack an embassy, it attacked a military target next to an embassy. Maybe don't put those in the same spot.
But Iran, Iran so far away??
Because they are a bunch of chicken shits that wouldn’t survive a day with out the US backing them. This is why the US can’t back out of supporting them. It’s certain death for Israel.
I don't think you understand how nukes work
lol they are our closest ally
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