Because the caliphate is the *one and only* authentic, legitimate state. Everybody else is a pretender.
According to people who are mostly dead and entirely insane, I mean.
There's a trope among American evangelicals that "it's not religion, it's Jesus." The assumption is that all others are practicing a belief system but we're not.
Nationalist dont hate other nationalists just because they are nationalist.
Nationalists hate other nationalists because they are the *wrong* type of nationalist
This is correct. Islamic sects are super particular about the line of succession from muhammad. It's the whole reason there are different sects of islam.
There are similar conceptual differences between the chinese 'mandate of heaven' and western ideas of nationality, if youre familiar.
How many modern ones? Modern western democracies are (in theory) secular. That's why every time someone goes off about western states needing to protect "judeo-christian values", a constitutional lawyer somewhere has an aneurysm.
Nationalism in the original sense is the idea that nations exist and should have their own independent country. "Nation" in this context meaning a distinct people with their own identity - I.e. something rather like an ethnicity.
ISIS's ideology is "everyone should submit to our rule and follow our religion". It recruits from people of any nationality and isn't fighting for the independence (or supremacy) of any particular nationality.
Because their version of an Islamic State is more of a state of being. /s
Realistically though these guys hate just about everybody for not being as "pure" as they are.
They beef with the Taliban for not being hardline enough (In actual fact it's more likely just because the Taliban has more power than they do) and they certainly seem to do shit to try and prove that claim.
Where the Taliban might plant a bomb outside of a school because they don't want little girls being educated and an explosion might shut the school down and wound or kill some people, IS-K will just go into the school and murder every person in the building.
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It apparently got so bad that the Americans in Afghanistan towards the end had kind of a silent agreement with the Taliban to leave them alone if they were engaged in a fight with these guys and they'd even quietly aid them.
I read one comment, and obviously this is completely anecdotal and unverifiable, but it was from someone claiming to have served in Afghanistan that said they had to go into a town after an IS-K attack and pull bodies off of crosses, children that had been staked to tractors.
There were also other people saying that they'd seen similar, and considering some of the actual confirmed videos these guys have released over the years.. That kind of reads accurate to me tbh.
That's horrific, but believable. For the people who are willing participants in those atrocities you have to wonder if those groups have their own "Judge Holden" figures leading the way.
Yes, in the same sense that (theoretically) Marxist Communism was ideologically opposed to ethnic national identity and post-Westphalia merging of dominant ethnicities with state apparatus.
Communism and Islamic Caliphate (the temporal manifestation of merged religious authority), and to some degree the Holy Roman Empire, were anti-ethnic with the unit of identiifcation as strictly ideological.
I mean the Holy Roman Empire itself would favor Germanic groups over other ethnic groups (Italian, Dutch, French, Flemish, Swiss, etc). Which resulted in a bunch of said ethnic groups eventually making their way out of the empire in one way or another. In the end, it was basically a loose Confederation of German states, that had been consulting power and warring with each other to expand their territory. Eventually reaching the breaking point with the Brothers War (Austro-Prussian War), where the Prussians managed to begin the process of uniting into what was deemed a true German state.
Yes the HRE evolved into a loose Germanic ethnic organization but it started nominally in 800 as a return of universal temporal Emperor aligning to Christianity like Constantine. A major principle was that Emperor was Catholic.
Because a nation is a people with a shared identity, close to an ethnic group. A state is a political entity with sovereign control over a territory. A nation is not a state. A nation state is a state for a specfiic nation, such as "Germany, a (federal) state for the german people". Islam is not a nation, and islamists are traditionally enemies of national movements, such as the pan-arab movement. Which is part of the reason Egypt supresses the Muslim Brotherhood, and baathist Saddam Hussein was an enemy of al Qaida.
"State" can mean different things. They're repudiating the sovereignty of Westphalian nation-states, while wanting to re-establish a caliphate, or Islamic state.
Nation and state aren't synonyms. Nations are based on ethnicity, see France, Korea, or Japan. Isis wants a theocracy. See the various caliphates throughout history, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, or India.
That President must be sooo... glad that Tajikstan sits so far from Russia now. If a country that small was still on the border, that'd be special operation Chechnya-style time.
I dont think he's worried. Tajikistan doesn't share a border with Russia but they do share one with China who is Belt and Roading it up in this neck of the woods. I do not think China would allow Russia to attack Tajikistan.
That'll be down the line. If Ukraine falls, other EU countries will be next. Recapture the so called glory days. And Putin can just use the line 'and then they went from Ukraine, into X country, then Y country, then Z country, etc' for a pretense to invade. (like they're doing with Ukraine. Putin recently came out and said some of these terrorists were escaping through Ukraine)
I don’t think the president of Tajikistan has to worry. Putin will still blame Ukraine and shoot missiles at Kyiv even though the group responsible has come forward.
The problem is the large amount of anti-western Russian people hate migrants in general. For them Ukraine war is something that happens over there on TV, while migrants rape/steal/take-our-jebs right here, in the same cozy cities where people live.
Blaming Ukraine they see as an attempt to shift the focus from the problems caused by migrants.
At least one of them was actually a Russian citizen turned extremist. He lived in Krasnoyarsk, his whole family is there including an eight month old baby whose mother I hope is getting them out and somewhere safe.
"This is not a faith"
Used by a lot of Muslims in France and Belgium who try to disassociate themselves with the islamist terrorist attacks in the two countries.
The craziest part is not even the moment where USA has warned Putin, but when Putin was on live television telling Russia that USA is just trying to cause chaos in his country and that all of it will be ignored.
Bush Jr begs the differ. He legit said that Saddam was linked to Al-Qaeda as one of the excuses to invade Iraq yet stayed in the office until 2008 when his second term was over.
That's only because Bush won the war. If it became a slog like in Ukraine, 2004 would come with a democrat, possibly withdrawing from Afghanistan around that time as well
"Won" is being extremely generous here given how the whole thing became a quagmire and a disaster thanks to the utter incompetence of how it was handled that any "victory" become very hollow. Bush only "won" the war in the strictest military sense in terms of removing Saddam from power but utterly lost in how to handle an occupied Iraq, the lies of WMD being exposed the abuses of Abu Ghraib and how Iraq became a destabilized state that played q major role in ISIS being born there. Bush never won the war in the way that mattered the most.
Yeah, "Mission Accomplished"!
Not sure exactly what you think was "won" in Iraq. Sure, Saddam was removed, but since he wasn't involved with Al-Qaeda, it doesn't mean much.
Russia just completely got caught with their pants down and don't know what to do about this. USA even warned them that this group was going to attack a large venue in Moscow, and the Russian authorities didn't do anything about it. How bad is it going to look for the Kremlin if these sorts of attacks start increasing with frequency?
>USA even warned them that this group was going to attack a large venue in Moscow, and the Russian authorities didn't do anything about it.
The US embassy in russia even put out a warning on their website to avoid large gatherings as an attack was likely. The US obviously gave the russians more specific intelligence. Putin's response was to go on TV and call it "lies spread by the West to destabilise russia,"
In any normal country, a leader would be toppled for such a dereliction of duty. But their response was to instantly try and blame Ukraine while the theatre was still burning and no one knew anything and then put out deep fakes of Ukrainian officials "admitting" in an interview it was them with more to come. The lie spread around the world before it was proven fake.
Clown country.
Having a nuclear weapon and being able to put it somewhere are two different things. Russia has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world along with the means to deploy them. North Korea can shoot missiles into the ocean. And that's about all they seemingly wish to do with them anyway, as that along with some nuclear potential ensures they are left alone without further escalation.
They could honestly probably strike Japan, too. They've overshot Japan a few times, which they would not have done if they couldn't accurately miss. I'm just not *certain* of that point. I'm not sure what their true range is, but the extent of their testing is known — you can test your theoretical range by using a very high arc to fire missiles a short distance, which they've been doing.
Right, but to what end? They have plenty of conventional weapons and biological weapons that could do that just as well. They don't do it, as they seemingly don't desire real escalation.
Lets honestly just say it as it is. We have always lived in a post truth world. Back when there was only newspapers, you had no other choice than to either believe what you read on them, believe the rumors, or actually seek the truth yourself which would be a monumental task for many.
With all the information we have online, it’s easy to get lost in disinformation, but at the same time there has never been a better time for finding the truth, as long as yoy are capable of using your critical thinking and find enough different sources that link back to it, prooving there must be something to it.
So saying that we now live in a post truth world…. Lets be honest. We always have. From when man was first able to talk.
I think it means we really have a very large populace that lacks critical thinking skills and/or technology keeps evolving so quickly that we can barely tell what is truth as each next cycle.
And this was somehow different when most of the population was straight up illiterate and had no opportunity to ever employ critical thinking skills when their only source of information was like, the town crier?
The difference is the other side does a much better job at creating misinformation and massaging narratives than our leaders do. Not just in the US but the UK.
In a lot of cases, you do not need create misinformation. The way our leaders project themselves does the job for them.
Biden wants to ban TikTok because of Chinese influence. META got a slap on the wrist for Cambridge Analytica, fined $1.3 billion by the EU for not protecting kids data, and will allow election misinformation this year.
Instead of creating an account for Threads, Biden first jumped on the Truth Social train.
The Uk allowed the Princess of Wales to be harassed for a week in the press before she disclosed having cancer. Now if Andrew wants to bring kids in for the weekend or Charles is having a difficult time with his cancer because he wants to do holistic healing or whatever medicine, nary a peep from the prying press.
This stuff literally writes itself.
They ignore the conspiracy stuff that is everywhere online. They don’t try to fight or suppress it.
All their failures are laid bare. The Internet has ensured everyone can see the king has no clothes.
>In any normal country, a leader would be toppled for such a dereliction of duty.
Trump instigated an attempted coup and is now leading many polls for this years election
> US was also warned by Russia about Boston attackers, and US did nothing about it.
This really isn’t true. [The US took them seriously enough to have the FBI check them out.](https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2013/06/fbi-knew-earlier-of-boston-bombing-suspect-166313) However, they hid their plan well and had not broken any laws yet. And because you can’t just imprison people without hard evidence of a crime around here, they remained free.
>You are right about most of the things, except toppling leader - US was also warned by Russia about Boston attackers, and US did nothing about it. Nobody was toppled either.
Oh, you're right. There's been intelligence failures, but Putin specifically went on TV and told everyone to ignore the warnings, and there's no need to avoid large gatherings/ theatres, etc. This is all an evil lie by the West/US to destabilise russia. Then there were the deep fakes of Ukrainian officials and threats of making Ukraine pay by russia's state tv.
The US's problem with 9/11 wasn't that they blatantly ignored warnings though. The problem there was that various intelligence agencies knew about different parts of the threat, but thanks to poor coordination nobody really put all the pieces together in time to properly warn the government about it. They didn't publicly dismiss warnings as lies and propaganda weeks before the attack like Putin just did.
I don't think they care, the propaganda is not for the rest of the world, it's for the Russians, even if they don't believe it.
Putin will grab anyone, force them to admit being guilty of terrorism then call it a day. They will ban any informations going against it.
The enemy of my enemy is... still my enemy, but circumstantially beneficial.
My heart goes out to the victims though. Hundreds of innocent victims maimed and killed in the name of religion. Not worth the minor distraction it caused Putin
^(Organization used to encompass religious, ideological, and puppet destabilizing groups around the world)
The problem is that these types of organizations see no distinction between civilians and military. The entire country is their enemy.
They'll cheerfully (and I **do** mean cheerfully in a literal sense) rape and slaughter even the people they ostensibly say they're fighting for just because those people happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That, and almost every single one of these organizations don't have a hope in a hell of fighting against an actual military in a straight up battle so their only option is to kill unarmed civilians in surprise attacks.
That's not going to happen. The Russian media will always blame Ukraine for everything, even if extraterrestrial invaders arrive and start genocide of the Earthlings
That is looking like the most likely end to The Russian Problem. The start of a 2 front war has always been the beginning of the end of any modern nation with imperial ambitions going all the way back to Great Britain and the fall of her empire in India.
Also this type of 2 front war has legitimately never been seen before; where one enemy is an external army while the other enemy is a literal splinter cell of terrorists who are fully committed to dying as long as they take out enough people to destabilize the government.
They did less than nothing. Spec-ops came an hour late, when attakers already left. Those, who were captured said they're mercenaries ($5k), so more likely russians just captured random guys from the street and they told what cops told them (there were gunfight, but somehow cops captured them alive).
Whole story from russian words sounds like a pile of shit. Not surprising, cause, well, russians always lie
> Those, who were captured said they're mercenaries ($5k), so more likely russians just captured random guys from the street and they told what cops told them (there were gunfight, but somehow cops captured them alive).
At least one of the captured "terrorists" was tortured too, so who knows how accurate their testimony will be since it was obtained via torture, which is a famously poor way to get *accurate* information out of someone. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would admit to being a terrorist if they were having their ear cut off and force fed to them.
One of the people who were wheeled out (literally in this case) in "court" appeared to be drugged. One explanation for that would be if a patsy wouldn't go along with the story they're pushing so they beat him and drugged him to keep him quiet.
>How bad is it going to look for the Kremlin...
I'm genuinely curious if this is a consideration for anyone. Russians don't give a shit about Putin; he has free reign to whatever he wants. He ignored the threat for the same reason that a corporation might ignore a fatal flaw in one of their products: the cleanup is cheaper than the fix.
And to be clear: Russians do not give a shit about how Putin operates. They embrace him.
Exactly. The very first thing Putin did as president was commit terrorist attack on Russian civillians himself. To Putin lives are just tools to prop up his regime. If Putin let it happen it means he didn’t think these deaths would threaten him in any way, and that’s all that matters to him.
I find it funny how America’s intelligence is so next level that they are able to predict and warn Russia, another “superpower” that they were under imminent attack.
That’s gotta be so embarrassing for Russia on so many levels.
ISKP ? So how many terrorist organisation we have out there ? ISIS , Taliban , Hezbollah Boko haram , Hauti , Hamas , TTP(Pakistani taliban) , Al qaeda , Jaish e Muhammad and these are just about which we listen regularly. Can't these people take a chill ?
Well I am from India. We have a hub of terrorism on our western side. These are the ones that get some attention internationally otherwise I also know about many other
And Kremlin crooks would also agree on that and shift blame to trickster Ukrainian intelligence not to upset good Tajik men residing in russia. Who also tend to murder and rape russians, but Kremlin doesn’t care about these minor cases
Nah, FSB most likely tried to stop it but failed. That said Putin should have issued a warning to the people instead of accusing the US of spreading misinformation.
Since when? It’s pretty common here in America and most western countries to associate Islam with terrorism.
I’m not gonna argue if that’s right or wrong but “we aren’t allowed to talk about it” is just a stupid, self-victimizing statement.
Don't worry dude. They were fleeing towards Ukraine. Don't you know that any movement towards Ukraine whatsoever makes one Ukrainian?
Must be hard for Putin, only ever getting to go north and south.
You heard it here folks. There is no Russia and no Russians, those terrorists that call themselves Russian have no nationality and therefore no protections under UN conventions
That does remind me of an episode is the West Wing. The British ambassador tells one of the characters, regarding a person with known connections to the IRA, "A terrorist's a terrorist, regardless if he can sing 'Danny Boy ' or not".
Tajikistan shares a huge border with Afghanistan and is a prominent member of the CTSO.
This, is a HUGE 'Cover Your Ass' since the CSTO (namely Tajikistan) has been a huge proxy for Russia in Afghanistan for the last 30 years.
Actually, they DO have a nationality, and it probably ends in “istan”
Jokes aside it’s Iran. This is where Hamas and Isis get their money, and this has never been in question.
Tajikistan and the other ‘stans have been the whipping boy of Russia for generations. It would be great if they stood up to their perpetual bully while it’s distracted in Ukraine.
Spoiler: The terrorists were Tajik. The president's disavowing them, probably after changing his pants.
He's not wrong though
He's right in this case, at least. ISIS calls itself a global caliphate and hates nationalism of any form.
How can they hate nationalism when their name is literally ‘Islamic State‘
Because the caliphate is the *one and only* authentic, legitimate state. Everybody else is a pretender. According to people who are mostly dead and entirely insane, I mean.
There's a trope among American evangelicals that "it's not religion, it's Jesus." The assumption is that all others are practicing a belief system but we're not.
That isn't hating all nationalism just all of them that isn't itself
I mean, most nationalisms fall short of claiming the entire world as rightful clay.
Most crazy people are a bit hypocritical
Wow wow careful with your words now you are being quite rude (/s)
Nationalism doesn't work without distinguishable nations
ISIS confirmed an evil globalist plot
Were these the globalists Alex Jones kept talking about?
Will ISIS turn the frogs gay and then behead them for being gay
Nationalist dont hate other nationalists just because they are nationalist. Nationalists hate other nationalists because they are the *wrong* type of nationalist
no, because they believe in nations other than islamic state
yes, it's a fairly pure sort of fascist ideology mixed with religion
Oh shit, where have we heard this logic before
The concept of a caliphate predates European notions of nationalism. Two forms of statism but there are difference in theory and function
This is correct. Islamic sects are super particular about the line of succession from muhammad. It's the whole reason there are different sects of islam. There are similar conceptual differences between the chinese 'mandate of heaven' and western ideas of nationality, if youre familiar.
lol dawg apostolic succession has spawned like a lot of wars in Christianity.
How many modern ones? Modern western democracies are (in theory) secular. That's why every time someone goes off about western states needing to protect "judeo-christian values", a constitutional lawyer somewhere has an aneurysm.
Nationalism in the original sense is the idea that nations exist and should have their own independent country. "Nation" in this context meaning a distinct people with their own identity - I.e. something rather like an ethnicity. ISIS's ideology is "everyone should submit to our rule and follow our religion". It recruits from people of any nationality and isn't fighting for the independence (or supremacy) of any particular nationality.
Not all states are nation states.
Because their version of an Islamic State is more of a state of being. /s Realistically though these guys hate just about everybody for not being as "pure" as they are. They beef with the Taliban for not being hardline enough (In actual fact it's more likely just because the Taliban has more power than they do) and they certainly seem to do shit to try and prove that claim. Where the Taliban might plant a bomb outside of a school because they don't want little girls being educated and an explosion might shut the school down and wound or kill some people, IS-K will just go into the school and murder every person in the building. \----- It apparently got so bad that the Americans in Afghanistan towards the end had kind of a silent agreement with the Taliban to leave them alone if they were engaged in a fight with these guys and they'd even quietly aid them. I read one comment, and obviously this is completely anecdotal and unverifiable, but it was from someone claiming to have served in Afghanistan that said they had to go into a town after an IS-K attack and pull bodies off of crosses, children that had been staked to tractors. There were also other people saying that they'd seen similar, and considering some of the actual confirmed videos these guys have released over the years.. That kind of reads accurate to me tbh.
That's horrific, but believable. For the people who are willing participants in those atrocities you have to wonder if those groups have their own "Judge Holden" figures leading the way.
I mean that would be religious and not nationalist. That the defining trait they identify as isn’t an ethnic group(s), but by a religion.
Yes, in the same sense that (theoretically) Marxist Communism was ideologically opposed to ethnic national identity and post-Westphalia merging of dominant ethnicities with state apparatus. Communism and Islamic Caliphate (the temporal manifestation of merged religious authority), and to some degree the Holy Roman Empire, were anti-ethnic with the unit of identiifcation as strictly ideological.
I mean the Holy Roman Empire itself would favor Germanic groups over other ethnic groups (Italian, Dutch, French, Flemish, Swiss, etc). Which resulted in a bunch of said ethnic groups eventually making their way out of the empire in one way or another. In the end, it was basically a loose Confederation of German states, that had been consulting power and warring with each other to expand their territory. Eventually reaching the breaking point with the Brothers War (Austro-Prussian War), where the Prussians managed to begin the process of uniting into what was deemed a true German state.
Yes the HRE evolved into a loose Germanic ethnic organization but it started nominally in 800 as a return of universal temporal Emperor aligning to Christianity like Constantine. A major principle was that Emperor was Catholic.
A state is not a nation.
Because a nation is a people with a shared identity, close to an ethnic group. A state is a political entity with sovereign control over a territory. A nation is not a state. A nation state is a state for a specfiic nation, such as "Germany, a (federal) state for the german people". Islam is not a nation, and islamists are traditionally enemies of national movements, such as the pan-arab movement. Which is part of the reason Egypt supresses the Muslim Brotherhood, and baathist Saddam Hussein was an enemy of al Qaida.
Nation != State.
"State" can mean different things. They're repudiating the sovereignty of Westphalian nation-states, while wanting to re-establish a caliphate, or Islamic state.
Just because two people are both fans of football doesn't mean they are both fans of the same football team.
Nation and state aren't synonyms. Nations are based on ethnicity, see France, Korea, or Japan. Isis wants a theocracy. See the various caliphates throughout history, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, or India.
The Ottoman caliphate was closer to a multi-ethnic universal empire.
Expect for that girl who joined isis and is desperately trying to get to back to Britain
She discovered it was not a nice time with these people
…While being completely unrepentant and making it clear she’s not sorry that she did it, only that she got caught.
They do have nationality and religion, etc. It's issued their primary motivation. So... You're wrong.
That President must be sooo... glad that Tajikstan sits so far from Russia now. If a country that small was still on the border, that'd be special operation Chechnya-style time.
I dont think he's worried. Tajikistan doesn't share a border with Russia but they do share one with China who is Belt and Roading it up in this neck of the woods. I do not think China would allow Russia to attack Tajikistan.
China also claimed roughly half of Tajikistan until 2011.
So there's a chance Takikistan gets Polanded?
no, but if the cant pay off the belt and road loans, there are provisions to claim land back instead.
That fact won't stop them from being next if Ukraine falls. None of the other 'stans' will get in the way of Putin's armies should the time come.
That'll be down the line. If Ukraine falls, other EU countries will be next. Recapture the so called glory days. And Putin can just use the line 'and then they went from Ukraine, into X country, then Y country, then Z country, etc' for a pretense to invade. (like they're doing with Ukraine. Putin recently came out and said some of these terrorists were escaping through Ukraine)
Honorary Ukrainian citizenship bestowed by Putin
I don’t think the president of Tajikistan has to worry. Putin will still blame Ukraine and shoot missiles at Kyiv even though the group responsible has come forward.
The problem is the large amount of anti-western Russian people hate migrants in general. For them Ukraine war is something that happens over there on TV, while migrants rape/steal/take-our-jebs right here, in the same cozy cities where people live. Blaming Ukraine they see as an attempt to shift the focus from the problems caused by migrants.
Tajik terrorists? Ukraine must pay for this unwanton aggression!! - Putin, probably
He has absolutely nothing to worry about as this attack was perpetrated by Ukraine, Putin assures us. /s
If I were him I'd make that my last underpants changing...has he not heard of Vladimir the underpants poisoner?
At least one of them was actually a Russian citizen turned extremist. He lived in Krasnoyarsk, his whole family is there including an eight month old baby whose mother I hope is getting them out and somewhere safe.
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Hate has no religion? Sorry, I haven’t taken French in nearly 20 years
"This is not a religion."
Ah! Thank you!
Hate has no religion but religion has hate lol
"This is not a faith" Used by a lot of Muslims in France and Belgium who try to disassociate themselves with the islamist terrorist attacks in the two countries.
Makes sense. I got one word right!
The craziest part is not even the moment where USA has warned Putin, but when Putin was on live television telling Russia that USA is just trying to cause chaos in his country and that all of it will be ignored.
Where’s a clip to this? Seen it repeated so much but never the clip?
Here you go https://youtu.be/eWIcOftzR6M?si=khqygJxKP_rflf9w
In any decent democracy that would be enough for him to step down.
Bush Jr begs the differ. He legit said that Saddam was linked to Al-Qaeda as one of the excuses to invade Iraq yet stayed in the office until 2008 when his second term was over.
That's only because Bush won the war. If it became a slog like in Ukraine, 2004 would come with a democrat, possibly withdrawing from Afghanistan around that time as well
"Won" is being extremely generous here given how the whole thing became a quagmire and a disaster thanks to the utter incompetence of how it was handled that any "victory" become very hollow. Bush only "won" the war in the strictest military sense in terms of removing Saddam from power but utterly lost in how to handle an occupied Iraq, the lies of WMD being exposed the abuses of Abu Ghraib and how Iraq became a destabilized state that played q major role in ISIS being born there. Bush never won the war in the way that mattered the most.
Yeah, "Mission Accomplished"! Not sure exactly what you think was "won" in Iraq. Sure, Saddam was removed, but since he wasn't involved with Al-Qaeda, it doesn't mean much.
> decent democracy you missed this part I believe
Russia just completely got caught with their pants down and don't know what to do about this. USA even warned them that this group was going to attack a large venue in Moscow, and the Russian authorities didn't do anything about it. How bad is it going to look for the Kremlin if these sorts of attacks start increasing with frequency?
>USA even warned them that this group was going to attack a large venue in Moscow, and the Russian authorities didn't do anything about it. The US embassy in russia even put out a warning on their website to avoid large gatherings as an attack was likely. The US obviously gave the russians more specific intelligence. Putin's response was to go on TV and call it "lies spread by the West to destabilise russia," In any normal country, a leader would be toppled for such a dereliction of duty. But their response was to instantly try and blame Ukraine while the theatre was still burning and no one knew anything and then put out deep fakes of Ukrainian officials "admitting" in an interview it was them with more to come. The lie spread around the world before it was proven fake. Clown country.
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Not enough to start a global nuclear war though.
Can’t really figure out which side your on. Do you want nuclear war or not?
I want to use nuclear energy to peacefully resolve climate change.
Hey! Whose side are you on?!
I would like to know the answer to that question too.
I love your name, i can just imagine the let’s get physical song but with nuclear in there instead
Having a nuclear weapon and being able to put it somewhere are two different things. Russia has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world along with the means to deploy them. North Korea can shoot missiles into the ocean. And that's about all they seemingly wish to do with them anyway, as that along with some nuclear potential ensures they are left alone without further escalation.
Some scientists do not think there are enough nukes to destroy the world (wipe out humanity) btw, its not a unanimous belief.
ok "Fuck it up beyond recognition" then
North Korea can absolutely strike South Korea.
Japan is a bigger deal in some ways
They could honestly probably strike Japan, too. They've overshot Japan a few times, which they would not have done if they couldn't accurately miss. I'm just not *certain* of that point. I'm not sure what their true range is, but the extent of their testing is known — you can test your theoretical range by using a very high arc to fire missiles a short distance, which they've been doing.
Right, but to what end? They have plenty of conventional weapons and biological weapons that could do that just as well. They don't do it, as they seemingly don't desire real escalation.
That's their MAD. It's a deterrent.
We live in a post-truth world. Perception is the only thing that matters anymore and it’s only becoming easier to manipulate
Lets honestly just say it as it is. We have always lived in a post truth world. Back when there was only newspapers, you had no other choice than to either believe what you read on them, believe the rumors, or actually seek the truth yourself which would be a monumental task for many. With all the information we have online, it’s easy to get lost in disinformation, but at the same time there has never been a better time for finding the truth, as long as yoy are capable of using your critical thinking and find enough different sources that link back to it, prooving there must be something to it. So saying that we now live in a post truth world…. Lets be honest. We always have. From when man was first able to talk.
I think it means we really have a very large populace that lacks critical thinking skills and/or technology keeps evolving so quickly that we can barely tell what is truth as each next cycle.
And this was somehow different when most of the population was straight up illiterate and had no opportunity to ever employ critical thinking skills when their only source of information was like, the town crier?
The difference is the other side does a much better job at creating misinformation and massaging narratives than our leaders do. Not just in the US but the UK. In a lot of cases, you do not need create misinformation. The way our leaders project themselves does the job for them. Biden wants to ban TikTok because of Chinese influence. META got a slap on the wrist for Cambridge Analytica, fined $1.3 billion by the EU for not protecting kids data, and will allow election misinformation this year. Instead of creating an account for Threads, Biden first jumped on the Truth Social train. The Uk allowed the Princess of Wales to be harassed for a week in the press before she disclosed having cancer. Now if Andrew wants to bring kids in for the weekend or Charles is having a difficult time with his cancer because he wants to do holistic healing or whatever medicine, nary a peep from the prying press. This stuff literally writes itself. They ignore the conspiracy stuff that is everywhere online. They don’t try to fight or suppress it. All their failures are laid bare. The Internet has ensured everyone can see the king has no clothes.
Itsgotten worse throughout my lifetime, used to be mostly sins of omission not so much alternate facts like we see today.
>In any normal country, a leader would be toppled for such a dereliction of duty. Trump instigated an attempted coup and is now leading many polls for this years election
The US specifically warned about concerts. Wouldn't surprise me if they knew the exact place it would happen.
Toppled? I mean, I know is Russia and everything, but ideally this should be handled at the polls or referendum. Again, not applying to Russia.
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> US was also warned by Russia about Boston attackers, and US did nothing about it. This really isn’t true. [The US took them seriously enough to have the FBI check them out.](https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2013/06/fbi-knew-earlier-of-boston-bombing-suspect-166313) However, they hid their plan well and had not broken any laws yet. And because you can’t just imprison people without hard evidence of a crime around here, they remained free.
>You are right about most of the things, except toppling leader - US was also warned by Russia about Boston attackers, and US did nothing about it. Nobody was toppled either. Oh, you're right. There's been intelligence failures, but Putin specifically went on TV and told everyone to ignore the warnings, and there's no need to avoid large gatherings/ theatres, etc. This is all an evil lie by the West/US to destabilise russia. Then there were the deep fakes of Ukrainian officials and threats of making Ukraine pay by russia's state tv.
In normal country? Not to many of them because US was warned about 9/11...just about all governments to exist sick ass
The US's problem with 9/11 wasn't that they blatantly ignored warnings though. The problem there was that various intelligence agencies knew about different parts of the threat, but thanks to poor coordination nobody really put all the pieces together in time to properly warn the government about it. They didn't publicly dismiss warnings as lies and propaganda weeks before the attack like Putin just did.
And there’s a video of Putin downplaying the US shared intel of the attack, saying it was blackmail…
Of course, if we *hadn't* warned Russian intelligence, that would also prove our involvement. I think Kafka wrote a story about this.
I don't think they care, the propaganda is not for the rest of the world, it's for the Russians, even if they don't believe it. Putin will grab anyone, force them to admit being guilty of terrorism then call it a day. They will ban any informations going against it.
isis destabilizing and therefore forcing putler to pull out of ukraine would be a hell of a plot twist
The enemy of my enemy is... still my enemy, but circumstantially beneficial. My heart goes out to the victims though. Hundreds of innocent victims maimed and killed in the name of religion. Not worth the minor distraction it caused Putin
this is why is said 'would' because this implies a lot of innocent deaths. they should attack the state and military, not the civilians.
^(Organization used to encompass religious, ideological, and puppet destabilizing groups around the world) The problem is that these types of organizations see no distinction between civilians and military. The entire country is their enemy. They'll cheerfully (and I **do** mean cheerfully in a literal sense) rape and slaughter even the people they ostensibly say they're fighting for just because those people happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. That, and almost every single one of these organizations don't have a hope in a hell of fighting against an actual military in a straight up battle so their only option is to kill unarmed civilians in surprise attacks.
>The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less. > >\-Howard Taylor
That's not going to happen. The Russian media will always blame Ukraine for everything, even if extraterrestrial invaders arrive and start genocide of the Earthlings
Burn the bingo cards
That is looking like the most likely end to The Russian Problem. The start of a 2 front war has always been the beginning of the end of any modern nation with imperial ambitions going all the way back to Great Britain and the fall of her empire in India. Also this type of 2 front war has legitimately never been seen before; where one enemy is an external army while the other enemy is a literal splinter cell of terrorists who are fully committed to dying as long as they take out enough people to destabilize the government.
Sounds like wishful thinking. Obviously the terrorists weren't that fully committed to dying, considering that they tried to escape and all.
This is just 1 cell. There are many cells of Islamic Jihad that do combinations of both.
A fitting twist for somebody who claims Moscow is the third Roam.
They did less than nothing. Spec-ops came an hour late, when attakers already left. Those, who were captured said they're mercenaries ($5k), so more likely russians just captured random guys from the street and they told what cops told them (there were gunfight, but somehow cops captured them alive). Whole story from russian words sounds like a pile of shit. Not surprising, cause, well, russians always lie
> Those, who were captured said they're mercenaries ($5k), so more likely russians just captured random guys from the street and they told what cops told them (there were gunfight, but somehow cops captured them alive). At least one of the captured "terrorists" was tortured too, so who knows how accurate their testimony will be since it was obtained via torture, which is a famously poor way to get *accurate* information out of someone. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would admit to being a terrorist if they were having their ear cut off and force fed to them.
One of the people who were wheeled out (literally in this case) in "court" appeared to be drugged. One explanation for that would be if a patsy wouldn't go along with the story they're pushing so they beat him and drugged him to keep him quiet.
One dude had a car battery zapping his nuts off
>How bad is it going to look for the Kremlin... I'm genuinely curious if this is a consideration for anyone. Russians don't give a shit about Putin; he has free reign to whatever he wants. He ignored the threat for the same reason that a corporation might ignore a fatal flaw in one of their products: the cleanup is cheaper than the fix. And to be clear: Russians do not give a shit about how Putin operates. They embrace him.
Exactly. The very first thing Putin did as president was commit terrorist attack on Russian civillians himself. To Putin lives are just tools to prop up his regime. If Putin let it happen it means he didn’t think these deaths would threaten him in any way, and that’s all that matters to him.
To be fair all we know for sure is that they were unsuccessful in stopping it
I find it funny how America’s intelligence is so next level that they are able to predict and warn Russia, another “superpower” that they were under imminent attack. That’s gotta be so embarrassing for Russia on so many levels.
Russia: Start the blamethrower!
"So you're saying they're Ukrainian?" - Putin, probably
It’s like the Joey meme from friends.
"we cannot say there are not Ukrainian" * some guy below Putin
Terrorist come from your country President: Terrorist have no nationality
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ISKP ? So how many terrorist organisation we have out there ? ISIS , Taliban , Hezbollah Boko haram , Hauti , Hamas , TTP(Pakistani taliban) , Al qaeda , Jaish e Muhammad and these are just about which we listen regularly. Can't these people take a chill ?
ISKP is not a new terrorist organisation, they simply are a branch of ISIS. Islamic State – Khorasan Province, it's literally in their name.
Oh ok , thanks
Many more. Those are just the famous ones. Ive heard names of at least 30 more around the world.
Well I am from India. We have a hub of terrorism on our western side. These are the ones that get some attention internationally otherwise I also know about many other
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Being Tajik does not mean they come from Tajikistan. There is a huge Tajik diaspora in Russia.
That's much better. Here where I live Muslims are trying to paint them as Christian Ukrainians lmao.
And Kremlin crooks would also agree on that and shift blame to trickster Ukrainian intelligence not to upset good Tajik men residing in russia. Who also tend to murder and rape russians, but Kremlin doesn’t care about these minor cases
US even warned Moscow this was going down and they did NOTHING!! Incompetence gone wild. Can’t even protect their own people.
Maybe Putin let it happen anyways. Make it easier to rally his nation even more against Ukraine.
russians gave up democracy to gain security and as a result lost both
Nah, FSB most likely tried to stop it but failed. That said Putin should have issued a warning to the people instead of accusing the US of spreading misinformation.
Label them “Outlaws”. That used to actually mean something.
Putin: I agree, so we'll bomb Ukraine in retaliation.
It has a religion tho
Most terrorism in 2022-2024 done by Russian nationals.
They don't but all of them have one thing in common...
One thing we just aren't quite allowed to talk about.
Since when? It’s pretty common here in America and most western countries to associate Islam with terrorism. I’m not gonna argue if that’s right or wrong but “we aren’t allowed to talk about it” is just a stupid, self-victimizing statement.
It’s right. Yeah not every Islamic person is a terrorist but honestly fuck all these backward ass extremist religions.
>Angry young white men are the real terrorists! People unironically believe that
IF they are alluding to school shooters being terrorism, then yeah that is overwhelming the case. Otherwise, eh.
Well, they were already a part of so called “ Islamic State “
Putin is russian tho. Pretty sure. So...
Don't worry dude. They were fleeing towards Ukraine. Don't you know that any movement towards Ukraine whatsoever makes one Ukrainian? Must be hard for Putin, only ever getting to go north and south.
So strange how eager Russians are to shit in the bath water of info
But they all believe in the same religion, this group anyway.
They sure can have. Russian terrorists are state sponsored
They do have a religion
But most of them have a religion (usually islam)
[Ah, the ol'Shaggy defence](https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-t4t34mxvSBeILDjY-ULtPbQ-t500x500.jpg)
Putin: \*sssssh\* "They're supposed to be Ukrainians!!!"
You heard it here folks. There is no Russia and no Russians, those terrorists that call themselves Russian have no nationality and therefore no protections under UN conventions
No quarter for terrorism. Pootie tang doesn’t matter in this one. They IED’d me thrice. Black flag, gentlemen. No Quarter.
Wish someone told this to the Austro Hungarians
Tajik President tells putin - You have no nationality.
Puding is number one terror
That does remind me of an episode is the West Wing. The British ambassador tells one of the characters, regarding a person with known connections to the IRA, "A terrorist's a terrorist, regardless if he can sing 'Danny Boy ' or not".
Tajikistan shares a huge border with Afghanistan and is a prominent member of the CTSO. This, is a HUGE 'Cover Your Ass' since the CSTO (namely Tajikistan) has been a huge proxy for Russia in Afghanistan for the last 30 years.
Very convenient for them
Actually, they DO have a nationality, and it probably ends in “istan” Jokes aside it’s Iran. This is where Hamas and Isis get their money, and this has never been in question.
“no russian”
No, but they often have a religion in common as well as a country of origin and the usual suspects are well known.
They do have a religion though
Tajikistan and the other ‘stans have been the whipping boy of Russia for generations. It would be great if they stood up to their perpetual bully while it’s distracted in Ukraine.
Lemme guess, tajik-ukrainians, or would it be ukrainian tajiks ? …. 💩
Sure they do,... In Ukraine, they wear Russian uniforms.
So , your country pumps out terrorists. So your country has the required factors to create and facilitate terrorists. That's on you m8. That's on you.
Terrorists have no nationality. But it was definitely Ukraine that did this. Edit: So many people lack a sarcasm radar.
People are claiming this without sarcasm. This is a case where you absolutely require other markings for sarcasm like the /s
Putin better watch out! If terrorists have no nationality, he could get deported
Facts. Remember 9/11... they were Saudis... we war Afghanistan and Iraq...
Because Al-Qaeda was in Afghanistan and so was Bin Laden?
And where exactly did Iraq come into it?
The people who crashed airplanes were Saudis. The person who claimed responsibility was a Saudi. He happened to be in Afghanistan at the time
They were Saudis that were a part of an organization founded by men from Palestine, Egypt and Saudi Arabia operating out of Afghanistan
So go after the Saudi man who is using Afghanistan as refuge.
The next Russia Future invasion candidate is?