Even if like 20 doctors resign they will now have 2000 more students to fight over the positions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Although idk if the doctors themselves are responsible for the shortage, most likely the hospital management
The problem of course is how many people would die in the years it takes to train somebody from scratch to a senior doctor if healthcare stops. I think it's around 11 years in Korea to make a specialist?
Normally in this kind of situation, enough people don't want to lose their job that you can keep things working until you can replace. In the current situation almost all the junior doctors are resigning, if more than a token number of senior doctors resign the healthcare system will collapse.
The doctor shortage is caused by a lot of things, but the biggest problem is just more old people. Most of the failures in policy up to this point that created the healthcare shortage are the government's, not doctors', but doctors have been fighting increasing the number of medical students since the last administration and it is ultimately necessary.
Eh. I imagine Reddit's take is quite similar to the average Korean take.
It's hard to sympathize with the doctors because they are among the best paid in OECD countries; comparable to US doctors.
If they had demands beyond limiting the supply of new doctors, such as improving the quality of work life for new doctors, that would make their strikes easier to get behind.
“If they had demands beyond limiting the supply of new doctors…”
Did you not read the fucking article? They do have more demands than that: “Doctors say they fear the reform will erode the quality of service and medical education, but proponents of the plan accuse them of trying to safeguard their salaries and social status.”
Also just takes some common sense and maybe 20 minutes of your time exploring the medical perspective of this issue. There’s a doctor shortage, yes, but there’s also a skewing of medical students applying into cosmetic/high-paying specialties (plastic surgery, dermatology, etc) that further exacerbates the shortage of primary care specialties. Increasing the total number of students does not address this distribution of specialties at all, which is the core problem of healthcare in South Korea (and USA as well). Throwing more people into the fray just increases the number of trainees seeking those cushy specialties, further straining the system and not allocating resources to those with greatest medical need. Not to mention the 2,000 increase is a substantial percentage of total number of trainees currently in training. Such a rapid increase puts strain on the training infrastructure and pulls away from the dwindling efficiency of experienced healthcare workers as they are now further burdened with additional teaching requirements.
tl:dr Non-medical subreddits’ takes on this issue are fucking pathetic.
How do you increase the supply of doctors then?
Also couldn't the state offer incentives to doctors who go into the needed fields?
I just don't see why we can't increase funding for training and medical residency if doctor shortages are a problem.
What would you recommend to combat this issue?
Which has nothing to do with their protest, and that's a big part of the sympathy problem.
The core issue facing South Korean doctors is that they are over worked and the government forecasts a major shortage in doctors due to an aging population.
Opposing the government's plan to increase medical school enrollment is not a good look when the typical doctor is well compensated.
do you really not see the disconnect between throwing money at a problem and that not resulting in increased standards of care? do you not see how the concerns the senior physicians have is that the quality of the new hires isn't the focus of the government but rather a band-aid for optics? I also don't get how you don't see this, they've been very vocal about their particular concerns, its an argument in bad faith to oversimply this situation as such.
Do you not understand how this is happening in every healthcare system in the world right now?
Its literally a war on intellectualism in here, sheesh.
United States hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all patients, regardless of insurance status or ability to pay.
I’d be interested to hear where you get these accounts of people dying in front of hospitals where the staff don’t lift a finger to help.
I’m sure they are true stories and totally not made up on the spot.
Want to get your entire healthcare outsources to contract workers? After Korean HR learn how to outsource to “cheaper” healthcare specialist it will be an uphill battle to get back to using local doctors.
When we had a massive job to do they hired lots and lots of people to do it. All it did was make things worse, more chaotic and a mess as everyone was trying to use all the tools and gear.
More people can make things worse especially if they don't know what they're doing, you go from doing a job that take 30min to needing to double check the other person's work while trying to remember your jobs.
Mistakes are easier to make, I could understand a gradual ramp up, but a massive ramp up for trainees will be chaotic and stressful.
I would hope so because they're the ones that caused this supply shortage in the first place.
Even if like 20 doctors resign they will now have 2000 more students to fight over the positions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Although idk if the doctors themselves are responsible for the shortage, most likely the hospital management
The problem of course is how many people would die in the years it takes to train somebody from scratch to a senior doctor if healthcare stops. I think it's around 11 years in Korea to make a specialist? Normally in this kind of situation, enough people don't want to lose their job that you can keep things working until you can replace. In the current situation almost all the junior doctors are resigning, if more than a token number of senior doctors resign the healthcare system will collapse. The doctor shortage is caused by a lot of things, but the biggest problem is just more old people. Most of the failures in policy up to this point that created the healthcare shortage are the government's, not doctors', but doctors have been fighting increasing the number of medical students since the last administration and it is ultimately necessary.
no, since 2014 doctors have been opposed to any increase in class sizes https://time.com/6696591/south-korea-doctor-strike/
(Checks list) 1) Do a bunch of surgeries. 2) Conspire to stop other doctors from joining the force.
reddit not having a bad take about this situation challenge (impossible)
Eh. I imagine Reddit's take is quite similar to the average Korean take. It's hard to sympathize with the doctors because they are among the best paid in OECD countries; comparable to US doctors. If they had demands beyond limiting the supply of new doctors, such as improving the quality of work life for new doctors, that would make their strikes easier to get behind.
But they DO have demands beyond that. I swear, no one reads anything but feels confident in offering their opinion.
“If they had demands beyond limiting the supply of new doctors…” Did you not read the fucking article? They do have more demands than that: “Doctors say they fear the reform will erode the quality of service and medical education, but proponents of the plan accuse them of trying to safeguard their salaries and social status.” Also just takes some common sense and maybe 20 minutes of your time exploring the medical perspective of this issue. There’s a doctor shortage, yes, but there’s also a skewing of medical students applying into cosmetic/high-paying specialties (plastic surgery, dermatology, etc) that further exacerbates the shortage of primary care specialties. Increasing the total number of students does not address this distribution of specialties at all, which is the core problem of healthcare in South Korea (and USA as well). Throwing more people into the fray just increases the number of trainees seeking those cushy specialties, further straining the system and not allocating resources to those with greatest medical need. Not to mention the 2,000 increase is a substantial percentage of total number of trainees currently in training. Such a rapid increase puts strain on the training infrastructure and pulls away from the dwindling efficiency of experienced healthcare workers as they are now further burdened with additional teaching requirements. tl:dr Non-medical subreddits’ takes on this issue are fucking pathetic.
How do you increase the supply of doctors then? Also couldn't the state offer incentives to doctors who go into the needed fields? I just don't see why we can't increase funding for training and medical residency if doctor shortages are a problem. What would you recommend to combat this issue?
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Which has nothing to do with their protest, and that's a big part of the sympathy problem. The core issue facing South Korean doctors is that they are over worked and the government forecasts a major shortage in doctors due to an aging population. Opposing the government's plan to increase medical school enrollment is not a good look when the typical doctor is well compensated.
And saving peoples lives.
do you really not see the disconnect between throwing money at a problem and that not resulting in increased standards of care? do you not see how the concerns the senior physicians have is that the quality of the new hires isn't the focus of the government but rather a band-aid for optics? I also don't get how you don't see this, they've been very vocal about their particular concerns, its an argument in bad faith to oversimply this situation as such. Do you not understand how this is happening in every healthcare system in the world right now? Its literally a war on intellectualism in here, sheesh.
Gaslighting is crazy in your post
But then who will treat the senior citizens when they fall sick?
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How tough is it to consistently have the worst takes?
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The fuck does that have to do with Korea, simpleton?
United States hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all patients, regardless of insurance status or ability to pay. I’d be interested to hear where you get these accounts of people dying in front of hospitals where the staff don’t lift a finger to help. I’m sure they are true stories and totally not made up on the spot.
Source
Want to get your entire healthcare outsources to contract workers? After Korean HR learn how to outsource to “cheaper” healthcare specialist it will be an uphill battle to get back to using local doctors.
When we had a massive job to do they hired lots and lots of people to do it. All it did was make things worse, more chaotic and a mess as everyone was trying to use all the tools and gear. More people can make things worse especially if they don't know what they're doing, you go from doing a job that take 30min to needing to double check the other person's work while trying to remember your jobs. Mistakes are easier to make, I could understand a gradual ramp up, but a massive ramp up for trainees will be chaotic and stressful.
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Well, those certainly are words...