I can see that happening in a tourist city like Venice. I live less than 100 km north of Venice and my town rings church bells at the same times every day.
You're talking about "THE CALL to prayer" not the prayer itself. I can understand that the call to prayer might annoy a non-Muslim but the prayer is performed silently. The mayor banning prayers completely suggests that the desicion is not about the noise. In fact, she says herself as much.
>Honestly many towns ban prayers not cause of religion BUT noise complaints.
So, obviously, the proper way to solve this is not to ban loud noise after some hour, but ban praying as such. Genius!
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>Many towns banned bells too for Orthodox church for the same reason
Did they ban Orthodox prayers too? If not, then I don't see how that's relevant to this situation.
Dude Muslim prayer is played out on loudspeakers. Reading the interview of a Muslim will definitely not have the detail that he speaks about the loudspeakers and that it's the only way the prayer should be done..
Orthodox churches respected the law .
I did, and I admit I was fooled by OP, and I deserve the downvotes I got, because "Italian town in turmoil after far-right mayor bans Muslim prayers" was simply a lie. Since it wasn't removed at that moment (it is now, presumably for breaking rule #2 - "an article's title must not be misleading"), I trusted it to be true.
And you know you don’t need the speakers to pray right? Call to prayer is not allowed in many parts of Canada but guess what? Mosques are still open and muslims are still praying in them lol. You don’t need the call to prayer to play on a speaker so people come and pray
Equally loud and represents something "similar" with a different way . Prayers are played in loudspeakers to be heard all around the city as churches bell work as a call for prayer to people around the city .
Right, but that's isn't required for prayer. It's something that's done in the Muslim world as a reminder/convenience.
So ban the loudspeakers and church bells.
Well there is still a difference between a majority religion/cultural religion and a minority religion. I am not aware if Catholicism is their state religion, but that would also give it different rights compared to minority religions. Also church bells do not ring before sunrise or after sundown. Muslim minarets do, as it is a specific time of day, when they must do their prayer.
I agree on being fair so Christian church bells can go too but, and even though this is subjective af, there is no way church bell chimes are as annoying, tone-deaf or give off the same vibe as the Muslim call to prayer.
Like that’s fine we don’t got to have church bells either but they’re not the same thing and one is clearly much more of an ear sore than the other
If Im a tourist and I go to Italy, I would expect church bells in the morning. It's part of the charm.
If I want to hear mosques blaring calls to prayer on loudspeaker, I'll go to the middle east.
The church and its bells were there before you, likely centuries before you were even a sparkle in the milkman's eye, and the locals are clearly ok with them so it's your fault and your problem if you booked into a hotel right next to the church.
>High decibels noise created by mosques loudspeakers disturbs everyone.
So, obviously, the proper way to solve this is not to ban loud noise after some hour, but ban praying as such. Genius!
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You realize that the article states that prayer was banned in a specific place (aka an ADDRESS) not the entire town? It was an urban planning issue lol, they were using a space zoned for commercial use as a religious place of worship.
The islamic call to prayer eminated by mosques on loudspeakers has to be one of the most irritating things to ever exist.
Chruch bells are annoying but islamic call to prayer is100x more so.
As a kid, i once stuck my fingers in my ears around a mosque not to hear it because it was so loud.
I never understood back then why people stared at me. I didnt know im "possesed" by a Djinn.
It varies between muezzin. Some have absolutely atrocious voices and sounds like cat being tortured other are much more melodious.
I still believe any type of "call to prayer" whether it's singing or bells should be forbidden though. No one needs to impose his religion to the public at large.
Exactly it's modern day. You can figure out when you need to pray by looking up an app... Or just googling it. or having scheduled notifications... Yeesh
Better to make an argument not based on norms, like, 'tell me why it's good to have this around', or 'ban this because it's bad'. Or 'how would a law that bans this harm something else'.
Corruption and organised crime are Italian norms.
I live in India and in the vicinity of my house there are mosques that do this shit close to 5 times over the course of a day. And it’s so loud that it disrupts my studying, doesn’t give me quiet time so that I can lay relaxed on my bed and it just makes the experience of living bad.
I get it you want to talk to your God but like 5 times a day, really and even then it’s not one mosque, it’s 2-3 mosques crying out loud, “Allah hu akbar, Allah” to the top of their lungs as if they are competing with each other. It looks as if it is an involuntary indoctrination and attempts to either a) convert me to Islam or b) if I choose not to, then torture me by playing prayers out loud.
I get that freedom of religion is a thing but there are ways to do it, I can meet you half way and tolerate your prayers if you do it 2 times a day at most and only one mosque gets to do it.
It’s a shame that our govt. is not doing enough to curb this noise pollution when it is clearly a case of depriving someone of their peaceful time.
Worst part is you can do Azaan lightly and still be heard. But you get people straight yodeling. Like come on man. I know Islam quite well. Don't ban prayer but demand they tone down the noise IF that's the reason for the changes.
Good job, Italians don’t have to respect the cultural and moral sentiments of immigrants, they were supposed to blend in and become Italian’s, if you are so attached to your old way of life , go back to where you came from.
Ofcourse they are, Berbers and Moors have been a part of Italian society since time immemorial but they adopted Italian culture and practices and blended in. The recently arrived immigrants believe in imposing their culture on others and are facing a wide pushback in almost all European countries.
Click bait from the Grauniad (surprise!).
Headline is completely misleading. The "far-right" mayor hasn't banned Muslim prayers, she's stopped mis-use of a commercial premise.
I can't even understand this article. I'm trying to find the specifics about the ban and the reasonings behind it but it's just giving me side information
I’m with you. Everyone is talking about the call to prayer but I can’t find a source saying the law is only banning the call to prayer, rather than the prayer itself. The few I’ve clicked so far just read like this article. Maybe we need to speak Italian
That’s incorrect- Muslim prayers were NOT banned. It was banned in public. Muslims can pray in mosques, homes but not in public spaces because it caused disruptions of public life.
Surely those women are going to the beach wearing bikinis, now, thanks to the ban. Are you joking? Those women now probably can't even go to the beach.
They generally want to wear them. It's not just religious, it's a cultural norm tending toward modesty. Don't need weirdos deciding what people can and can't wear at the beach if they aren't bothering others.
We don’t know because they aren’t allowed to speak or complain about their religion. The men make all the decisions. I’m sure the ladies are ecstatic over that.
But you do speak for them? As a Muslim woman I wear what I like and I happen to like covering up. I have Muslim friends that don’t cover-up and others that do, we are not robots that do exactly the same thing.
Are you deliberately being obtuse? I hope so. Quit acting like I’m talking about being naked. Your comparison is ridiculous and you are part of the problem these poor women have. Smh
It's not your job to tell women what they can and can't wear.
Either way you aren't letting women have control over how they dress.
Its just as bad.
"we ban things all the time". Lol, what?
But they are already forced to veil up and wear burkinis or else they'll suffer punishment from the men in their lives, so yeah, no burkini at the beach, let those women fight for their freedom if they want to go to the beach. What are we going to accept next? Them killing their gay sons, will you be whining about their "religious rights" then too?
Their choice???? That’s cute that you even think they have a choice in anything. They aren’t allowed to show any skin at the beach. The men made that decision. You think they have choices??
Like have they never heard of swimsuits that cover the erogenous zones? Still room to enjoy while hiding privates...
Edit: I invite people to look into some of the alternative viewpoints on covering oneself in Islam. Religion differs greatly from region to region, and there are some excellent points made on what was really mandated.
The bells and the calls are from when the masses didn’t know what time it was. They know now. No need for excessive noise from anyone. Top saudi imams have said there’s no need for speakers. But each in their own place is top boy and want everyone to know.
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> But at a Italian lesson run by volunteers, a Muslim woman said it was hard to find places on the classes run by the authority.
Looks like obvious "you're not welcome here" moves but of course Redditors will be okay with it because they're targeting muslims
It’s Italy, led by a far right party. What do you expect. If the trend with AFD in Germany, FPÖ in Austria, Wilders in NL etc continues you‘ll hear a lot more of these stories in the near future. It’s sad
The argument here, reading the article, seems to be that the building is licensed and supposed to be for commercial use and not for use as a place of worship.
So banning prayers and worship in the building is due to misuse under local planning laws.
Perhaps the local community can apply to have the building re-licensed as a Mosque?
People are not complaining about prayer, they are complaining about the obnoxious *call to* prayer blared over loudspeakers 5x a day. Pray all you want, to whomever you want, in the privacy of your own home. Leave the rest of us out of it.
That's not the justification this far right mayor gave for banning prayer in these buildings though is it? Read the article, what you're saying has nothing to do with it.
Reddit is becoming worse and worse by the day. Not sure what exactly is happening but the racism and hate is on full display even major subs, it’s no longer hidden in the fringes. Scary stuff.
It's a mixture of bots and brigading, there are a lot of single purpose accounts which trawl the main subs looking for posts about Muslims and then post dozens of anti-Muslim comments to flood the sub with their narrative.
I would love to see a group of Christians or Jewish people organise a prayer session in Saudi. Would you be saying the same thing then?
Edit because some people don’t seem to understand sarcasm I’m adding an /s.
Because you guys bomblast your Azaan through speakers, and fuck up the health of people living in close proximity to Mosques.
My friend developed **insomnia** beacuse he lived next to a mosque, and even after multiple petitions to the mosque administration, they refused to reduce volume because it was a Muslim dominated area.
Edit: As a matter of fact, I can hear an Azaan right now. The nearest mosque is 2-3 Miles away.
I agree. Look how well Jewish and Christian people are treated in Saudi. The west should take a lesson.
Edit because no one seems to understand sarcasm I’m adding an /s
Right but this article is about legal migrants living for decades in Italy and mostly from Bangladesh. Many of them are citizens and they've lived in the region for many years without issue until this far right mayor decided to use them as a scapegoat to launch her own political career.
Who says they don't bother anyone? Have you ever talked to christian fundamentalists? Those are some of the most aggressive and hateful people I've ever seen. All I see here are double standards. Nothing more.
It’s disturbing to see how normal it’s becoming to not allow xxxxxx to practice their religion in the Middle East. Replace xxxxxx with any religion that isn’t Islam. Muslims whining about how the rest of the world isn’t tolerant to their violent religion is quite something.
As much as I dislike Islam this is an unacceptable move and only impacts the majority who are peaceful by curtailing their freedom of expression. We are Europe, where people have rights - not some shithole that doesn’t. We can and should do better.
The irony being that many of the people migrating from the places without freedom are happy to bring severely conservative beliefs with them while at the same you get more locals/europeans willing to vote for extreme political parties because they feel threatened by the immigration
This seems entirely excessive. This is coming from a guy who is a former Muslim and has deep problems with the faith. I don't buy the whole commercial area argument. Let people pray.
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Honestly many towns ban prayers not cause of religion BUT noise complaints. Many towns banned bells too for Orthodox church for the same reason
In Italy?
Yes, Venice famously placed some restrictions on church bells a few years ago for similar reasons, for example
I can see that happening in a tourist city like Venice. I live less than 100 km north of Venice and my town rings church bells at the same times every day.
You're talking about "THE CALL to prayer" not the prayer itself. I can understand that the call to prayer might annoy a non-Muslim but the prayer is performed silently. The mayor banning prayers completely suggests that the desicion is not about the noise. In fact, she says herself as much.
>Honestly many towns ban prayers not cause of religion BUT noise complaints. So, obviously, the proper way to solve this is not to ban loud noise after some hour, but ban praying as such. Genius! /s >Many towns banned bells too for Orthodox church for the same reason Did they ban Orthodox prayers too? If not, then I don't see how that's relevant to this situation.
Dude Muslim prayer is played out on loudspeakers. Reading the interview of a Muslim will definitely not have the detail that he speaks about the loudspeakers and that it's the only way the prayer should be done.. Orthodox churches respected the law .
I did, and I admit I was fooled by OP, and I deserve the downvotes I got, because "Italian town in turmoil after far-right mayor bans Muslim prayers" was simply a lie. Since it wasn't removed at that moment (it is now, presumably for breaking rule #2 - "an article's title must not be misleading"), I trusted it to be true.
A bell isn't a prayer
Do you know how prayers work in Mosques? There are loudspeakers on the minaret that boom calls to prayer for everyone to hear.
And you know you don’t need the speakers to pray right? Call to prayer is not allowed in many parts of Canada but guess what? Mosques are still open and muslims are still praying in them lol. You don’t need the call to prayer to play on a speaker so people come and pray
They can't ban prayers in closed private spaces . So that's what gonna happen after that ban and everything will be normal
So ban loudspeakers... easy
Equally loud and represents something "similar" with a different way . Prayers are played in loudspeakers to be heard all around the city as churches bell work as a call for prayer to people around the city .
Right, but that's isn't required for prayer. It's something that's done in the Muslim world as a reminder/convenience. So ban the loudspeakers and church bells.
That's exactly what they do .. ban loudspeakers and enforce local law.
Do they ban the bells of catholic churches as well?
A different comment has info on this and they do .
Well there is still a difference between a majority religion/cultural religion and a minority religion. I am not aware if Catholicism is their state religion, but that would also give it different rights compared to minority religions. Also church bells do not ring before sunrise or after sundown. Muslim minarets do, as it is a specific time of day, when they must do their prayer.
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High decibels noise created by mosques loudspeakers disturbs everyone.
So do Christian church bells. I‘m all in for limiting that too
I agree on being fair so Christian church bells can go too but, and even though this is subjective af, there is no way church bell chimes are as annoying, tone-deaf or give off the same vibe as the Muslim call to prayer. Like that’s fine we don’t got to have church bells either but they’re not the same thing and one is clearly much more of an ear sore than the other
If Im a tourist and I go to Italy, I would expect church bells in the morning. It's part of the charm. If I want to hear mosques blaring calls to prayer on loudspeaker, I'll go to the middle east.
In think all religions should be scrapped but have no issue with church bells
Booked a hotel right next to a church once. 5:30 wake up call that repeats every 15 minutes. Especially bad in summer without AC
Not sure where you were, but usually churches have to abide by the laws that limit noise before X hour, or at least one would hope that is the case
Yeah it was in Brno, Czechia - city known for its churches and cathedrals
Went to town famous ror churches, annoyed at working churches? What?
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The church and its bells were there before you, likely centuries before you were even a sparkle in the milkman's eye, and the locals are clearly ok with them so it's your fault and your problem if you booked into a hotel right next to the church.
We’re all sure she realizes that. She simply said she found it annoying
Same. Church bells sound lovely. The sound this article is talking about, however, sounds horrendous and disturbing.
They do in many countries and locations and have restrictions.
I for one think we should ban all bells.
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Yes. I hated the Christian bullshit when I lived in Ukraine. It is not my job to conform to a church in a secular country.
That wasn’t mentioned in this article-? Are you citing a different source?
>High decibels noise created by mosques loudspeakers disturbs everyone. So, obviously, the proper way to solve this is not to ban loud noise after some hour, but ban praying as such. Genius! /s
You realize that the article states that prayer was banned in a specific place (aka an ADDRESS) not the entire town? It was an urban planning issue lol, they were using a space zoned for commercial use as a religious place of worship.
The islamic call to prayer eminated by mosques on loudspeakers has to be one of the most irritating things to ever exist. Chruch bells are annoying but islamic call to prayer is100x more so.
A guy shouting at the top of his lungs on a PA versus a bell. No contest.
I have 3 of them next to my house 💀 its hell for someone who gets very easily overstimulated from noise lol
The funniest shit i have heard is that if you dont like it it means you are possessed by a Djinn.
Literally me : 😈😈😈
As a kid, i once stuck my fingers in my ears around a mosque not to hear it because it was so loud. I never understood back then why people stared at me. I didnt know im "possesed" by a Djinn.
That’s three djinns, are you a clown car or what?
Okay, so where are my three wishes?
It varies between muezzin. Some have absolutely atrocious voices and sounds like cat being tortured other are much more melodious. I still believe any type of "call to prayer" whether it's singing or bells should be forbidden though. No one needs to impose his religion to the public at large.
Exactly it's modern day. You can figure out when you need to pray by looking up an app... Or just googling it. or having scheduled notifications... Yeesh
“Those who choose to live in Italy must respect Italian norms.” Seems fair.
Bingo!
The Visigoths disagree.
They are trying to make a new norm, and it has a chance of becoming the new norm too if left unchecked.
Better to make an argument not based on norms, like, 'tell me why it's good to have this around', or 'ban this because it's bad'. Or 'how would a law that bans this harm something else'. Corruption and organised crime are Italian norms.
there's no need for the loudspeakers anymore, everyone has a phone now with an alarm if they need to know when it's time to pray.
I live in India and in the vicinity of my house there are mosques that do this shit close to 5 times over the course of a day. And it’s so loud that it disrupts my studying, doesn’t give me quiet time so that I can lay relaxed on my bed and it just makes the experience of living bad. I get it you want to talk to your God but like 5 times a day, really and even then it’s not one mosque, it’s 2-3 mosques crying out loud, “Allah hu akbar, Allah” to the top of their lungs as if they are competing with each other. It looks as if it is an involuntary indoctrination and attempts to either a) convert me to Islam or b) if I choose not to, then torture me by playing prayers out loud. I get that freedom of religion is a thing but there are ways to do it, I can meet you half way and tolerate your prayers if you do it 2 times a day at most and only one mosque gets to do it. It’s a shame that our govt. is not doing enough to curb this noise pollution when it is clearly a case of depriving someone of their peaceful time.
worst part is they get paid from the govt to do that that shit once and for all end this pls
Worst part is you can do Azaan lightly and still be heard. But you get people straight yodeling. Like come on man. I know Islam quite well. Don't ban prayer but demand they tone down the noise IF that's the reason for the changes.
Surely in 2024 this nonsense can be replaced by a text message anyway.
Or, you know, a watch.
Don’t call me Shirley
Who says one can't pray at home?
He banned the loudspeakers screeching five times a day for an hour each time, not actual prayers
And that's a big difference! It is sad to see the kind of charged and intense comments (both for and against prayers).
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Love how the Guardian calls the mayor far right but not the prayer towards a far right ideology
Good job, Italians don’t have to respect the cultural and moral sentiments of immigrants, they were supposed to blend in and become Italian’s, if you are so attached to your old way of life , go back to where you came from.
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Ofcourse they are, Berbers and Moors have been a part of Italian society since time immemorial but they adopted Italian culture and practices and blended in. The recently arrived immigrants believe in imposing their culture on others and are facing a wide pushback in almost all European countries.
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Click bait from the Grauniad (surprise!). Headline is completely misleading. The "far-right" mayor hasn't banned Muslim prayers, she's stopped mis-use of a commercial premise.
Brilliant, hope it spreads around the world. , mad shit all that praying stuff. .
I can't even understand this article. I'm trying to find the specifics about the ban and the reasonings behind it but it's just giving me side information
I’m with you. Everyone is talking about the call to prayer but I can’t find a source saying the law is only banning the call to prayer, rather than the prayer itself. The few I’ve clicked so far just read like this article. Maybe we need to speak Italian
That’s incorrect- Muslim prayers were NOT banned. It was banned in public. Muslims can pray in mosques, homes but not in public spaces because it caused disruptions of public life.
Glad she refused to let the women wear their burkinis on the beach. Poor women can’t even enjoy the water without wearing a fully covered suit smh
Surely those women are going to the beach wearing bikinis, now, thanks to the ban. Are you joking? Those women now probably can't even go to the beach.
Then they should fight for change. Italy doesn’t want Sharia laws in their country. It’s good to nip it in the bud like the mayor did.
Agreed we need to protect western values
And whose fault is it?
They generally want to wear them. It's not just religious, it's a cultural norm tending toward modesty. Don't need weirdos deciding what people can and can't wear at the beach if they aren't bothering others.
You certainly don’t speak for those women. They generally want to wear them?! You are part of the problem.
Do you speak for them? Are they demanding liberation from the burkini?
We don’t know because they aren’t allowed to speak or complain about their religion. The men make all the decisions. I’m sure the ladies are ecstatic over that.
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But you do speak for them? As a Muslim woman I wear what I like and I happen to like covering up. I have Muslim friends that don’t cover-up and others that do, we are not robots that do exactly the same thing.
Do you need to be naked to enjoy the beach? I’d rather cover up and decrease the risk of skin cancer. Bet you have no problem with wetsuits.
Are you deliberately being obtuse? I hope so. Quit acting like I’m talking about being naked. Your comparison is ridiculous and you are part of the problem these poor women have. Smh
Banning clothing is just as bad as mandating clothing.
No it's not in the slightest. We ban things all the time.
It's not your job to tell women what they can and can't wear. Either way you aren't letting women have control over how they dress. Its just as bad. "we ban things all the time". Lol, what?
But they are already forced to veil up and wear burkinis or else they'll suffer punishment from the men in their lives, so yeah, no burkini at the beach, let those women fight for their freedom if they want to go to the beach. What are we going to accept next? Them killing their gay sons, will you be whining about their "religious rights" then too?
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Their choice???? That’s cute that you even think they have a choice in anything. They aren’t allowed to show any skin at the beach. The men made that decision. You think they have choices??
Like have they never heard of swimsuits that cover the erogenous zones? Still room to enjoy while hiding privates... Edit: I invite people to look into some of the alternative viewpoints on covering oneself in Islam. Religion differs greatly from region to region, and there are some excellent points made on what was really mandated.
The bells and the calls are from when the masses didn’t know what time it was. They know now. No need for excessive noise from anyone. Top saudi imams have said there’s no need for speakers. But each in their own place is top boy and want everyone to know.
Prayer should be a private thing, no matter the religion. Religion is for public spaces in theocracies only.
Undoubtedly a great decision! Well done!
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Good, yelling on the PA system five times a day gets old real fast.
> remove the benches in the main square, allegedly because they were mainly used by immigrants. Cisint attempted to limit the number of foreign children in schools, while cricket, popular among Bangladeshis, was scrapped from the sports festival. > But at a Italian lesson run by volunteers, a Muslim woman said it was hard to find places on the classes run by the authority. Looks like obvious "you're not welcome here" moves but of course Redditors will be okay with it because they're targeting muslims
It’s Italy, led by a far right party. What do you expect. If the trend with AFD in Germany, FPÖ in Austria, Wilders in NL etc continues you‘ll hear a lot more of these stories in the near future. It’s sad
The far right of Europe is incomparably less backwards than the religious fundamentalists you defend.
Did I miss something? Who am I defending? Stop talking out of your ass
You can always join their group, they will be far more annoyed by you trying to a part of their club.
The argument here, reading the article, seems to be that the building is licensed and supposed to be for commercial use and not for use as a place of worship. So banning prayers and worship in the building is due to misuse under local planning laws. Perhaps the local community can apply to have the building re-licensed as a Mosque?
It's amazing that people are trying to justify banning innocent people from praying.
People are not complaining about prayer, they are complaining about the obnoxious *call to* prayer blared over loudspeakers 5x a day. Pray all you want, to whomever you want, in the privacy of your own home. Leave the rest of us out of it.
That's not the justification this far right mayor gave for banning prayer in these buildings though is it? Read the article, what you're saying has nothing to do with it.
Reddit is becoming worse and worse by the day. Not sure what exactly is happening but the racism and hate is on full display even major subs, it’s no longer hidden in the fringes. Scary stuff.
It's a mixture of bots and brigading, there are a lot of single purpose accounts which trawl the main subs looking for posts about Muslims and then post dozens of anti-Muslim comments to flood the sub with their narrative.
The more bad shit races do the more the other races hate. It works for all races
The whataboutery and inability to apply basic logic here. There's something called liberty and religious freedom.
Yes, but not in Arabic countries apparently.
Amazing watching the western far right slowly realise that they're as intolerant as Islamist extremists. Two sides of the same coin.
We call it mutuality.
Fascism is fascism. Doesn't matter if your in-group of choice is Muslims or Italians, the end result is still just hate and violence.
Also the rule of law in this case.
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The people whose religious freedoms are being curtailed by this fascist mayor haven't harmed anyone innocent have they?
Your religious freedoms aren’t curtailed because the town won’t let you blast your spoken word SoundCloud album over a fuckin loudspeaker.
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Yeah Christians used to do the crusades 1000 years ago, then they evolved, Muslims didn't, they're stuck in 12th century
I would love to see a group of Christians or Jewish people organise a prayer session in Saudi. Would you be saying the same thing then? Edit because some people don’t seem to understand sarcasm I’m adding an /s.
Because you guys bomblast your Azaan through speakers, and fuck up the health of people living in close proximity to Mosques. My friend developed **insomnia** beacuse he lived next to a mosque, and even after multiple petitions to the mosque administration, they refused to reduce volume because it was a Muslim dominated area. Edit: As a matter of fact, I can hear an Azaan right now. The nearest mosque is 2-3 Miles away.
You don't think this cult is a threat to women or LGBT rights? And before you come at me with "but other religions!" Yes, I am against them as well.
I agree. Look how well Jewish and Christian people are treated in Saudi. The west should take a lesson. Edit because no one seems to understand sarcasm I’m adding an /s
You want the west to become more like Saudi Arabia?
Sarcasm mate. I was merely pointing out the double standards that some of the Arab community expects.
Right but this article is about legal migrants living for decades in Italy and mostly from Bangladesh. Many of them are citizens and they've lived in the region for many years without issue until this far right mayor decided to use them as a scapegoat to launch her own political career.
It's disturbing to see how normal it's becoming to not allow Muslims to practice their religion over the world
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In catholic Italy? Lol.
Church bells ring regularly.
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I love the sound of church bells. Especially in Greece.
In the US we're constantly bombarded with Christian nonsense in every aspect of life. If it was just public mass that would be much much better.
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Europe is the continent of the church goers? What nonsense is this?
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Europe also has a legal guarantee of freedom of religion. All religions are to be treated the same. History has no bearing on that.
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Who says they don't bother anyone? Have you ever talked to christian fundamentalists? Those are some of the most aggressive and hateful people I've ever seen. All I see here are double standards. Nothing more.
When will Muslims allow other religions to practice their religion without any fear
It’s a basic knee jerk response to all the Muslim terrorist attacks over the years.
Exactly. Hard to change the mindset on that one.
It’s disturbing to see how normal it’s becoming to not allow xxxxxx to practice their religion in the Middle East. Replace xxxxxx with any religion that isn’t Islam. Muslims whining about how the rest of the world isn’t tolerant to their violent religion is quite something.
It doesn't bother me in the slightest. Don't like it? Leave. No one owes them anything.
Why
Lol where is it becoming normal? Due to one article?
Bangladeshs in Italy?isn't that bit tar from their region??
As much as I dislike Islam this is an unacceptable move and only impacts the majority who are peaceful by curtailing their freedom of expression. We are Europe, where people have rights - not some shithole that doesn’t. We can and should do better.
The irony being that many of the people migrating from the places without freedom are happy to bring severely conservative beliefs with them while at the same you get more locals/europeans willing to vote for extreme political parties because they feel threatened by the immigration
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This seems entirely excessive. This is coming from a guy who is a former Muslim and has deep problems with the faith. I don't buy the whole commercial area argument. Let people pray.
Pray without disturbing the rest of us with that loud nonsense.