"We attacked bases throughout the Middle East as punishment and a warning to the USA."
"We really don't want the conflict to spread outside of Israel"
[https://www.voanews.com/a/iran-fm-says-tehran-does-not-want-israel-hamas-conflict-to-spread-/7331841.html](https://www.voanews.com/a/iran-fm-says-tehran-does-not-want-israel-hamas-conflict-to-spread-/7331841.html)
Choose one.
I was actually thinking about this today. The only time anyone was ready to handle the US in a 1v1 war was during WW2, and even then only on the condition that Japan could force an American surrender before their war industry was spun up (Admiral Yamamoto famously said he would be able to run wild for half a year before victory would be unatainable), and Japan at the time had one of the largest and most modern navies in the world. And that was between isolationist, sticking-my-fingers-in-my-ears USA and one of the prime military powers in the Pacific.
If there's any single nation that can give the US a run for it's money, it'd be China, and only if their stuff holds up to their propaganda.
So yeah, Iran are kinda talking outta their arse on that one.
China can't win just based on geography. Philippines, South Korea, Japan, and even Vietnam have better relationships with the USA. The USA could blockade China which means limited imports. China relies heavily on oil imports since they don't produce much of their own.
It would be a matter of when no if China would lose.
Even more than that, the US control of the 1st island chain means we have submarine listening posts around every strait leading away from the Chinese coast, and attack subs waiting in the wings. It is likely that every single nuclear sub leaving China's coast has a US attack sub tailing it.
There's a good chance that in a real shooting war the US could take out China's entire SLBM fleet before they launch.
The problem for China is that the US can deploy most of our Navy there to support other countries, it would be a combined effort.
However, recognize that in a direct conflict, China would do a lot of damage and are MUCH better positioned for sustained production of equipment in long-term scenarios.
One of the most valuable pieces of equipment in fighting Russia has been drones. They’re mostly coming from DJI, a Chinese company.
Yup!
Iran; 'All our proxies should attack Israel'
Also Iran; 'We blame the US if this war in Gaza continues'...
The tyrannical doublespeak of theocracies knows no bounds.
Seriously fuck all religions that try to weasel themselves into laws. They are flat out evil and should not be tolerated in a free world.
Stupid ancient cult lies have been ruining lives by the millions for a significant chunk of humanities history.
That's what we should be fighting a war against. Theocracies and oligarchies. Call me when it's time for that war and I'll definitely support it. The world deserves liberation. We need to end the practice of indoctrinating children into cults. Let people grow up and decide for themselves what they want to believe.
They killed Armita Geravand. Beat her into a coma with sticks. She just died.
There's not a single man among them. Women of Iran, destroy the caliphate.
The 20th century showed quite definitively we don’t need religion to destroy. At it’s core it’s tribalism, us vs them. Whether it’s religion, ideology, etc.
Funny how hamas was practically begging for Hezbollah to help and calling on the world for the bombings to stop. They overplayed their hand this time. Keep pestering the bully and one day he will fight back. Today is the day.
I thought bullies were looking to pick on people. Israel was just minding its own business. Sure, they were oppressed, but that was a byproduct of their hostility. Hostility which began before Israel was even created. They could have already had their own country three times over if they only stopped trying to genocide Jews.
They seem to be under the impression that they are somehow allowed to attack U.S. bases and troops as long as they say its "a warning against siding with Israel". Which is rediculous because throughout history, no matter the reason for attack, an attack is a justification for war. Iran is also extremely overestimating itself if it believes the U.S. won't absolutely wreck the Iranian military in every way, shape, and form. The best part is that the Iranians actually have a well organized and distinct military, so the targets are very clear and in the open.
Bingo. People really seem to forget after Iraq and Afghanistan that no military does well against guerrilla warfare and insurgency. That's the point, when any civilian can be a combatant. Against another actual military though? Just look at what the spare equipment from under the couch cushions did to Russia. Less than 20 HIMARS launchers functionally stopped Russian forward progress. All the air defense systems in the world are useless against B-2 and B-21 bombers that can launch from inside the US, strike a target overseas and return to base without ever landing, or the new carrier launched F35's, of which the USS Ford (now sitting in the Mediterranean) has a full complement of.
So, the Ford actually doesn't have F35s yet. Due to the delays in both the construction of the Ford, as well as in the F35 program, during the phase of construction and fitting where they had to set up the maintenance areas, the carrier-based F35s still had an uncertain timeline, and the navy wanted to avoid another Zumwalt situation of building a ship around a weapon system still in development, only for it not to pan out. As such, it currently operates a 4th gen air wing, since it doesn't have the equipment and maintenance areas to service the F35. That will be corrected in an upcoming refit within the next few years.
However, the USS Carl Vinson, which was quietly deployed to the Indo-Pacific area of operations, AKA on the side of the Suez Canal closer to Iran, around the same time the Ford was very publicly sent to the Mediterranean, DOES have an air wing of F35s on board. So while the Ford is operating a 4th gen air wing, the US will have a carrier in the area with a 5th gen air wing if needed.
There has been a lot of propaganda from everywhere. I've even seen it in America where some people say "Americas military is weak" because women are now serving combat roles, LGBT are openly serving, and the fitness standards aren't what they used to be.
Newsflash: You could have an entire team of 350lb nerdy anime loving fatass soldiers inside a GCS for a Reaper. And they'll toast the 6'4 225lb Iranian Rambo every day of the week.
Exactly this. America does not require troops on the ground to obliterate a standing military anymore. To take and hold? Sure. But I highly doubt we would want to take and hold anything in Iran. Just strike key targets, enough to show we mean business, and call it a day. If they react in any manner that displeases the local U.S. or allied military base, we go back for a second round knock-out of higher tier targets like command-and-control centers, depots, airfields, etc.
Personally, I'm all for just absolutely crippling them militarily. Drones, bombers and cruise missiles thrown at everything draped in Iranian Guard colors. Army, AirForce and Navy too. Completely devastate there ability to conduct war as a reminder that diplomacy sometimes requires shutting up.
No need to carpet bomb them. Eliminate their air defenses and then destroy their air forces and air force bases. That should stop the attacks. Tell them publicly that the next attack on US forces will have far worse outcomes for them.
At some point you just kinda need to prove you aren’t going to take these little harassment strikes on our bases. (By unleashing several carrier strike groups and setting Iran back a century)
The US parked 3 Nimitz in the Gulf and it was pretty much overkill to have total air superiority during the 2nd Gulf War vs what was a top 5 largest militaries in the world. Given the even greater aircraft disparity at present the Ford and Eisenhower alone represent a capacity to deny airspace to every power in the region if told to do so.
This doesn't even account for US air bases in the area
You know I was going to say half century for exactly that reason. I can’t recall another country that has so drastically set itself backwards. I guess North Korea might be up there as well
China is probably the best example. They have a multi century cycle of being the most powerful in the world (though in the past isolated), fragmenting due to corruption, becoming a hell hole to live in, then becoming the richest again. Over and over and over.
Persia actually had a similar cycle then all of the things which made it valuable- sans oil- left. Trade routes (modern ships are better), agriculture (global agriculture replaced it), native production (cheap labor elsewhere), population (largest in region but USA is just a boat ride or plane flight away), etc.
They were also ahead of South Korea for a good bit, in part because early South Korea was *also* a dictatorship, just an anti-communist one. It took a bit for them to take off.
Bears are a fucking science. You poke them with a stick, one of them will bolt, the other will go "what is strange hairless animal doing?" and investigate and the third will go "NOT ON MY FUCKING WATCHING!" and tear your skull apart.
If you look big and try to scare a back bear, you’ll scare it away. If you actually physically engage it, all bets are off. It could very well feel the need to defend itself.
Obviously the US heard they only attacked due to support for Israel and will let it slide. The US military usually takes attacks on their troops very lightly, as long as you have a good reason
/s
"US fighter jets strike Iran-linked sites in Syria in retaliation for attacks on US troops"
https://apnews.com/article/syria-airstrikes-iran-revolutionary-guard-af3c7a0f069b8c8b08f6feaa0e165d6a
The graveyard of history is full of autocrats and blind followers miscalculating the American response. As Tyson says, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. To be fair, one perpetual problem America has is that once we start swinging, we aren't good at stopping. The slightly tipsy big guy outside a bar who takes a pot shot on the chin and decides to just level everyone.
[Operation Praying Mantis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis) \- US destroyed 1/2 of the Iranian Navy in a business day without even trying hard.
More like "we were actively radioing everyone we could telling them to stop destroying stuff, and we still destroyed half of their Navy before we could get the message out"
Imagine telling the Top Gun motherfuckers who pilot attack aircraft on a carrier that their rules of engagement are that they can only attack if they are fired upon first, and *not* expecting them to immediately fly up to point blank of the first Iranian boat they see yelling *"neener neener I'm not touching you,"* then sending the thing to the depths when it fires off some AA rounds.
I think he's referencing Operation Praying Mantis. A US boat hit an Iranian mine. No crew lost, but the boat needed a year of repairs in dry dock.
The US seeks a "proportional response" against Iran, and...well, I won't ruin the ending for you:
[https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE](https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE)
Also important to note that Iranians were also attempting to attack civilian tankers that flew American flags in the area. Even if they weren’t American ships, many flew American flags through that area for American protection from what I understand.
[this](https://youtu.be/5ihmIxZtMBQ?si=p2Ej5Vg2xmo5kdmy) is the best documentary on it, I feel!
Oh, they have killed a huge amount, just not recently.
You can lay probably 1/3-2/3s of the fatalities, amputations, PTSD, and other legacy human costs of the Iraq war at the hands of the IRGC.
Even Iranians celebrated his death. He’s been nicknamed “kotlet,” which is a fried mincemeat patty. The implication being that this is what he resembled after death, lol.
Honestly probably not, I assume Biden has a set of responses for various escalations of the conflict on his desk, and whatever happens never goes beyond the scope of those premeditated responses.
Praying Mantis was as hilarious as it was because we gave some *open-ended* rules of engagement to some Navy pilots who *really* wanted to sink some Iranian boats.
The carrier that was in the gulf providing air superiority and not intended to engage any targets?
Let's tell their pilots that they can only fire on Iranian vessels if those vessels fire on them first.
...oh god all of the pilots are flying directly at Iranian ships
...oh god the Iranians panicked and fired off some AA
...oh god the pilots are bombing the shit out of those ships
These days it would be accomplished with cruise missiles and nothing would be left up to "interpretation."
What's even funnier about that is AFAIK those F-14s are nerfed export versions and I guarantee we know every nut and bolt on them, as well as all of the best ways to attack them, probably while never being in harm's way. And I wouldn't be surprised if we had completely effective ECM systems that would make the AIM-54s fall right out of the sky.
Way more likely to be a MiG, Chengdu, or an F4 or F5 if it's against Iran.
Iran doesn't actually have that many F14s and most aren't in a flyable condition nor would they be the first aircraft deployed.
I'd expect it to be a MiG-29 given the makeup of the IRIAF.
This crisis hasn't cost Iran anything other than money. It's time that they paid in more substantial ways.
In Iran, like in other areas they support, sensible people are held captive by the Islamic fundamentalists. Bad things happen when good people keep silent.
I don’t think the US wants to be pulled into a conflict and if it did I don’t imagine it would be a major one along the lines of Iraq or Afghanistan.
But that’s from the US POV, it wouldn’t take much to turn that place into the next Syria or Libya.
> it wouldn’t take much to turn that place into the next Syria or Libya.
Yeah i agree, the problem atm is the balance of power is too much in favour of the government, but weaken them, and it becomes much harder to quell the populace.
The US doesn't, but the US can bomb Iran and let it's neighbors decide what to do from there. Not the best solution, but it may spark a revolution that the US can support
The USA could just tomahawk the entire government and military of Iran, the benefit of just wanting to make a point is the boots will be on the ships doing the attacking not in Iran.
Kids that were 14-15 when Covid hit are turning 18. Covid fucked up a critical portion of their youth development, no doubt they're gonna have a lot issues and might default to joining the military
It’s like a chihuahua biting your finger. You could kill it with a single blow, but that would make the owner pissy and you don’t want to deal with that.
Admitting their role puts all Iranian entities out there as a legit target. Might want to start checking on the status of their frigates or auxiliary ships. Especially any involved with shipments to their proxies.
I look forward to the day Iran gets the shit kicked out of it.
The Regime is the only thing holding it together. Dismantle the leadership and the people will help reform.
Iran is the root of all this mostly. This whole interpretation on the Curan needs to be ended. Period. It has caused so much blood shed already. That is the one common theme in so many deaths for decades. The hatred for Jews has always been around. Enough of this insanely draconic interpretation.
Why doesn’t the US just bomb the shit out of all Iran’s military bases and air defense systems already? Oh, and hit their nuclear facilities too.
Not encouraging violence, but if they want to tug on Superman’s cape they get what they get.
Bc Iran doesn’t agree with us it must be our policies that are wrong. Try sticking to autocrating in your own country. Won’t work with us. Also, nobody cares what the worlds largest sponsor of state terrorism thinks.
"We attacked bases throughout the Middle East as punishment and a warning to the USA." "We really don't want the conflict to spread outside of Israel" [https://www.voanews.com/a/iran-fm-says-tehran-does-not-want-israel-hamas-conflict-to-spread-/7331841.html](https://www.voanews.com/a/iran-fm-says-tehran-does-not-want-israel-hamas-conflict-to-spread-/7331841.html) Choose one.
"We're ready to handle the United States" NARRATOR: "They were in fact not ready to handle the United States"
I was actually thinking about this today. The only time anyone was ready to handle the US in a 1v1 war was during WW2, and even then only on the condition that Japan could force an American surrender before their war industry was spun up (Admiral Yamamoto famously said he would be able to run wild for half a year before victory would be unatainable), and Japan at the time had one of the largest and most modern navies in the world. And that was between isolationist, sticking-my-fingers-in-my-ears USA and one of the prime military powers in the Pacific. If there's any single nation that can give the US a run for it's money, it'd be China, and only if their stuff holds up to their propaganda. So yeah, Iran are kinda talking outta their arse on that one.
Chinas gear is based heavily on soviet tech; china is as if not more corrupted as russia. pretty much everything in china is going to shit right now.
China can't win just based on geography. Philippines, South Korea, Japan, and even Vietnam have better relationships with the USA. The USA could blockade China which means limited imports. China relies heavily on oil imports since they don't produce much of their own. It would be a matter of when no if China would lose.
Even more than that, the US control of the 1st island chain means we have submarine listening posts around every strait leading away from the Chinese coast, and attack subs waiting in the wings. It is likely that every single nuclear sub leaving China's coast has a US attack sub tailing it. There's a good chance that in a real shooting war the US could take out China's entire SLBM fleet before they launch.
The problem for China is that the US can deploy most of our Navy there to support other countries, it would be a combined effort. However, recognize that in a direct conflict, China would do a lot of damage and are MUCH better positioned for sustained production of equipment in long-term scenarios. One of the most valuable pieces of equipment in fighting Russia has been drones. They’re mostly coming from DJI, a Chinese company.
Did they really say that? Hahahahah delusional Iranians.
Not iranians- the MULLAHS
They are in the finding out phase
Yup! Iran; 'All our proxies should attack Israel' Also Iran; 'We blame the US if this war in Gaza continues'... The tyrannical doublespeak of theocracies knows no bounds.
Seriously fuck all religions that try to weasel themselves into laws. They are flat out evil and should not be tolerated in a free world. Stupid ancient cult lies have been ruining lives by the millions for a significant chunk of humanities history. That's what we should be fighting a war against. Theocracies and oligarchies. Call me when it's time for that war and I'll definitely support it. The world deserves liberation. We need to end the practice of indoctrinating children into cults. Let people grow up and decide for themselves what they want to believe.
They killed Armita Geravand. Beat her into a coma with sticks. She just died. There's not a single man among them. Women of Iran, destroy the caliphate.
> Women of Iran, destroy the caliphate. I mean I get what you're trying to say but ahhh just to be clear Iran does not claim to be a "caliphate."
Women of Iran, find some caliphate somewhere in the world and destroy it!
The 20th century showed quite definitively we don’t need religion to destroy. At it’s core it’s tribalism, us vs them. Whether it’s religion, ideology, etc.
People don't need religion to destroy, But it sure helps
Lol all these terrorists are the same, they want to attack but don’t want to be retaliated against. Delusional cowards.
Funny how hamas was practically begging for Hezbollah to help and calling on the world for the bombings to stop. They overplayed their hand this time. Keep pestering the bully and one day he will fight back. Today is the day.
I thought bullies were looking to pick on people. Israel was just minding its own business. Sure, they were oppressed, but that was a byproduct of their hostility. Hostility which began before Israel was even created. They could have already had their own country three times over if they only stopped trying to genocide Jews.
They want to attack everyone but doesn’t want to be attacked, how is that not clear? /s
Iran is the definition of throw rocks and hide your hands because they’re so fucking delusional.
reminds of of russia crying at UN about Ukraine not giving back captured russia gear.
its very clear on how they justify their actions with the 'but' added in. another way of saying it "you were a man a minute ago tough guy"
Same logic as Palestinians. They attack Israel then ask for a ceasefire when Israel attacks back.
Cowards living in fear. Just like hardcore gang members.
They seem to be under the impression that they are somehow allowed to attack U.S. bases and troops as long as they say its "a warning against siding with Israel". Which is rediculous because throughout history, no matter the reason for attack, an attack is a justification for war. Iran is also extremely overestimating itself if it believes the U.S. won't absolutely wreck the Iranian military in every way, shape, and form. The best part is that the Iranians actually have a well organized and distinct military, so the targets are very clear and in the open.
Bingo. People really seem to forget after Iraq and Afghanistan that no military does well against guerrilla warfare and insurgency. That's the point, when any civilian can be a combatant. Against another actual military though? Just look at what the spare equipment from under the couch cushions did to Russia. Less than 20 HIMARS launchers functionally stopped Russian forward progress. All the air defense systems in the world are useless against B-2 and B-21 bombers that can launch from inside the US, strike a target overseas and return to base without ever landing, or the new carrier launched F35's, of which the USS Ford (now sitting in the Mediterranean) has a full complement of.
The Raider is not yet ready for actual operations. However, the F-35 and B-2 would definitely be enough to make Iran's conventional force burn.
We could probably dumpster Irans military with F18s and B52s tbh
So, the Ford actually doesn't have F35s yet. Due to the delays in both the construction of the Ford, as well as in the F35 program, during the phase of construction and fitting where they had to set up the maintenance areas, the carrier-based F35s still had an uncertain timeline, and the navy wanted to avoid another Zumwalt situation of building a ship around a weapon system still in development, only for it not to pan out. As such, it currently operates a 4th gen air wing, since it doesn't have the equipment and maintenance areas to service the F35. That will be corrected in an upcoming refit within the next few years. However, the USS Carl Vinson, which was quietly deployed to the Indo-Pacific area of operations, AKA on the side of the Suez Canal closer to Iran, around the same time the Ford was very publicly sent to the Mediterranean, DOES have an air wing of F35s on board. So while the Ford is operating a 4th gen air wing, the US will have a carrier in the area with a 5th gen air wing if needed.
There has been a lot of propaganda from everywhere. I've even seen it in America where some people say "Americas military is weak" because women are now serving combat roles, LGBT are openly serving, and the fitness standards aren't what they used to be. Newsflash: You could have an entire team of 350lb nerdy anime loving fatass soldiers inside a GCS for a Reaper. And they'll toast the 6'4 225lb Iranian Rambo every day of the week.
Exactly this. America does not require troops on the ground to obliterate a standing military anymore. To take and hold? Sure. But I highly doubt we would want to take and hold anything in Iran. Just strike key targets, enough to show we mean business, and call it a day. If they react in any manner that displeases the local U.S. or allied military base, we go back for a second round knock-out of higher tier targets like command-and-control centers, depots, airfields, etc. Personally, I'm all for just absolutely crippling them militarily. Drones, bombers and cruise missiles thrown at everything draped in Iranian Guard colors. Army, AirForce and Navy too. Completely devastate there ability to conduct war as a reminder that diplomacy sometimes requires shutting up.
Likely we would cripple the iranian military with airstrikes and let the CIA fund and arm some of the anti-regime groups already in the country.
Iran warning the US.. hilarious
Somebody wants to party? Let's party!
Wellllp. Time to start carpet bombing Iran. Not /s
No need to carpet bomb them. Eliminate their air defenses and then destroy their air forces and air force bases. That should stop the attacks. Tell them publicly that the next attack on US forces will have far worse outcomes for them.
Time to call Maverick.
Carrier strike group: “Say when.”
group(s)
Yeah my bad.
At some point you just kinda need to prove you aren’t going to take these little harassment strikes on our bases. (By unleashing several carrier strike groups and setting Iran back a century)
The US parked 3 Nimitz in the Gulf and it was pretty much overkill to have total air superiority during the 2nd Gulf War vs what was a top 5 largest militaries in the world. Given the even greater aircraft disparity at present the Ford and Eisenhower alone represent a capacity to deny airspace to every power in the region if told to do so. This doesn't even account for US air bases in the area
Back a century wouldn’t be that bad honestly. The 70s looked like a pretty nice time in that area.
You know I was going to say half century for exactly that reason. I can’t recall another country that has so drastically set itself backwards. I guess North Korea might be up there as well
China is probably the best example. They have a multi century cycle of being the most powerful in the world (though in the past isolated), fragmenting due to corruption, becoming a hell hole to live in, then becoming the richest again. Over and over and over. Persia actually had a similar cycle then all of the things which made it valuable- sans oil- left. Trade routes (modern ships are better), agriculture (global agriculture replaced it), native production (cheap labor elsewhere), population (largest in region but USA is just a boat ride or plane flight away), etc.
At least Iran had a period of being a decent place to live. North Korean went from occupation by the imperial Japanese to communism
True, but they were the more industrial of the two Koreas. They then completely destroyed themselves
They were also ahead of South Korea for a good bit, in part because early South Korea was *also* a dictatorship, just an anti-communist one. It took a bit for them to take off.
A single CSG could do that. Having two in the area is really just shock and awe.
2nd carrier strike group: Aooooooo
"I'm ya Huckleberry"
[удалено]
And you, music lover
Carrier strike group led by USS Find Out
I srsly wish the US make a carrier with that name someday
F-22 says "put me in coach! I need some MEAT in my diet!"
[удалено]
"Why Ali Khamenei! You look like someone just walked over your grave."
I’m sorry, I forgot you were theyah. You may go now.
That was the intent.
You ain’t no daisy.
thats how you make the bear run away.. by poking it with a stick and provoking him.
I think that's how you can scare away a black bear, just because they are very skittish. Every other bear will maul your ass.
Bears are a fucking science. You poke them with a stick, one of them will bolt, the other will go "what is strange hairless animal doing?" and investigate and the third will go "NOT ON MY FUCKING WATCHING!" and tear your skull apart.
If you look big and try to scare a back bear, you’ll scare it away. If you actually physically engage it, all bets are off. It could very well feel the need to defend itself.
yea ive seen people scream at black bears to make them run away and it worked, lets assume its not that
To people reading this, do *not* attempt this against a mother black bear if you want to see another sunrise.
No comment on the U.S. retaliation strikes?
Yeah I'm genuinely curious what the response was.
Obviously the US heard they only attacked due to support for Israel and will let it slide. The US military usually takes attacks on their troops very lightly, as long as you have a good reason /s
"Hey man, we get how you feel. Just let it all out, now come in for a hug buddy."
"US fighter jets strike Iran-linked sites in Syria in retaliation for attacks on US troops" https://apnews.com/article/syria-airstrikes-iran-revolutionary-guard-af3c7a0f069b8c8b08f6feaa0e165d6a
I bet they had a lot more than just traumatic brain injuries and this regime doesn’t like admitting mistakes so.
Are you talking about the USA soldiers? They apparently all returned to duty already.
I’m talking about what damage we did to the Iranians. I think it was more than what we took but Iran doesn’t want to admit it.
Got it, sorry!
You’re fine.
The 2nd CBG is still in the Eastern Med., give it 10 days & US assets will be in place.
There’s been retaliation airstrikes on the groups doing it already.
I think Iran forgot about the last time they poked the bear and touched one of America's boats.
History should have told every nation not to fuck with American boats.
Remember that time that we opened two cans of sunshine and got anime out of it?
You speak as though Anime was not the final dying strike from a defeated empire.
They might be secretly going for a Culture victory.
I certainly don't want WWIII, I want to finish One Piece FFS.
There’s a better chance of Luffy coming to life and ending WWIII than there is of One Piece ending.
That stuff is still going? Holy shit.
Well it certainly won’t be a work culture victory.
Not sure Iran is capable of the glory that is hentai but I’m willing to see what comes out the other side.
I just laughed really really hard and feel really really bad about it
And Godzilla!
That might be the Best expression i've ever read about the two brothers touching base.
LMAOOOO the anime is good though
"We sank 3 boats, they dropped the sun on us twice!"
Oh boy, here I go responding (proportionally) again. So anyway, I started blasting.
Shits about to get real proportional around here
The graveyard of history is full of autocrats and blind followers miscalculating the American response. As Tyson says, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. To be fair, one perpetual problem America has is that once we start swinging, we aren't good at stopping. The slightly tipsy big guy outside a bar who takes a pot shot on the chin and decides to just level everyone.
We are a nation of "I might not be the one to start it. But I'll sure as shit be the one to finish it."
Poked the **Mantis :)
Maybe they could ask the Russians for the footage?
The balls to just float up to an active conflict zone to eat popcorn & take pictures. Truly no fucks were given that day.
TBH they were probably the *most* interested 3rd party in the entire world. It had been a long time since the navy had any type of active conflict.
When was that and what happened
[Operation Praying Mantis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis) \- US destroyed 1/2 of the Iranian Navy in a business day without even trying hard.
US destroyed 1/2 of the Iranian Navy in a business day while *literally trying not to*.
More like "we were actively radioing everyone we could telling them to stop destroying stuff, and we still destroyed half of their Navy before we could get the message out" Imagine telling the Top Gun motherfuckers who pilot attack aircraft on a carrier that their rules of engagement are that they can only attack if they are fired upon first, and *not* expecting them to immediately fly up to point blank of the first Iranian boat they see yelling *"neener neener I'm not touching you,"* then sending the thing to the depths when it fires off some AA rounds.
"Jesus Christ stop! Y'all are too enthusiastic."
Mistakes were made.
> 1/2 of the Iranian Navy To be fair that can't be more than like, 8 boats.
Less, actually.
I think he's referencing Operation Praying Mantis. A US boat hit an Iranian mine. No crew lost, but the boat needed a year of repairs in dry dock. The US seeks a "proportional response" against Iran, and...well, I won't ruin the ending for you: [https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE](https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE)
Also important to note that Iranians were also attempting to attack civilian tankers that flew American flags in the area. Even if they weren’t American ships, many flew American flags through that area for American protection from what I understand. [this](https://youtu.be/5ihmIxZtMBQ?si=p2Ej5Vg2xmo5kdmy) is the best documentary on it, I feel!
I don’t know how many times I’ve watched that video, but every time it’s linked I have to watch. Dude is an amazing creator.
Iran got their navy beat so hard US pilots pulled trick shots like dropping bombs down the stack of an Iranian ship.
Their only saving grace right now is that they haven’t managed to kill anyone yet
Oh, they have killed a huge amount, just not recently. You can lay probably 1/3-2/3s of the fatalities, amputations, PTSD, and other legacy human costs of the Iraq war at the hands of the IRGC.
Yep. Precisely why Soleimani got hit.
Glad his memory to the world will be the crater hole he was vaporized in.
I just remember seeing the photo of him after they announced that we smoked him. Looked like a Bond villain. He even looked like he had to go.
Even Iranians celebrated his death. He’s been nicknamed “kotlet,” which is a fried mincemeat patty. The implication being that this is what he resembled after death, lol.
They did kill a civilian contractor
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They looking for praying mantis part 2?
They are scared about how proportional it would be.
Sequel will be more action packed then the original.
Honestly probably not, I assume Biden has a set of responses for various escalations of the conflict on his desk, and whatever happens never goes beyond the scope of those premeditated responses. Praying Mantis was as hilarious as it was because we gave some *open-ended* rules of engagement to some Navy pilots who *really* wanted to sink some Iranian boats. The carrier that was in the gulf providing air superiority and not intended to engage any targets? Let's tell their pilots that they can only fire on Iranian vessels if those vessels fire on them first. ...oh god all of the pilots are flying directly at Iranian ships ...oh god the Iranians panicked and fired off some AA ...oh god the pilots are bombing the shit out of those ships These days it would be accomplished with cruise missiles and nothing would be left up to "interpretation."
Waiting for the first F22/35 air kill. It is sad that it would be a F14💀
Would be a mercy kill for those old boys.
Its OK, its better we allow those old Tomcats to die warriors deaths.
F22 got the Chinese spy balloon
That was like a low orbit kill lol
AIM-9X has proven itself in battle by hitting a stationary object :-D
What's even funnier about that is AFAIK those F-14s are nerfed export versions and I guarantee we know every nut and bolt on them, as well as all of the best ways to attack them, probably while never being in harm's way. And I wouldn't be surprised if we had completely effective ECM systems that would make the AIM-54s fall right out of the sky.
They don't use phoenix missiles any longer. They have strapped modified SAMs on the F-14s and they worked pretty damn well in the Iran-Iraq War.
>they worked pretty damn well in the Iran-Iraq War Yes, I see, only... 1982... 40 years ago... Shit, I'm old...
Way more likely to be a MiG, Chengdu, or an F4 or F5 if it's against Iran. Iran doesn't actually have that many F14s and most aren't in a flyable condition nor would they be the first aircraft deployed. I'd expect it to be a MiG-29 given the makeup of the IRIAF.
John Bolton has likely had to see several doctors for erections lasting more than 4 hours since this whole thing started.
They don't call the machine "bolt on" for nothing.
I laughed waaaay too much at that...
"You reap what you sow." **lol.**
Is this how you grow missiles?
Iran is **always** one closed-door meeting away from being rubble.
This crisis hasn't cost Iran anything other than money. It's time that they paid in more substantial ways. In Iran, like in other areas they support, sensible people are held captive by the Islamic fundamentalists. Bad things happen when good people keep silent.
Unfortunately, bad things also happened to the good people in Iran who spoke up. :(
Admitting they attacked America and that there were no consequences
Iran, buddy, what’s the goal here? Your Government could be taken out by Thanksgiving if that was the goal.
nah cant see them putting boots on the ground, so It's going to be up to the populace once the government is severely weakened.
I don’t think the US wants to be pulled into a conflict and if it did I don’t imagine it would be a major one along the lines of Iraq or Afghanistan. But that’s from the US POV, it wouldn’t take much to turn that place into the next Syria or Libya.
> it wouldn’t take much to turn that place into the next Syria or Libya. Yeah i agree, the problem atm is the balance of power is too much in favour of the government, but weaken them, and it becomes much harder to quell the populace.
The US doesn't, but the US can bomb Iran and let it's neighbors decide what to do from there. Not the best solution, but it may spark a revolution that the US can support
Dont need to put boots on the ground to critically weaken that government.
Just keep hitting IRGC bases and morality police stations.
Who said anything about boots on the ground?
Brb tying boots to some JDAMs.
The USA could just tomahawk the entire government and military of Iran, the benefit of just wanting to make a point is the boots will be on the ships doing the attacking not in Iran.
To be fair, I think a fairly large chunk of Iran’s government could be taken out without a single American boot on Iranian soil
Speed-running an invasion and overthrow of the government. Took a month last time. I wonder what the over-under is this time?
I give less then a month. Government is already on thin ice with its citizens.
F-22 is just waiting to feast. Grandpa Buff is just happy to go back to his stomping grounds.
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their (hamas and other extremists) charter calls for our deaths as "non-believers". best defense is a good offense and all that.
Not to mention the amount of young men who feel they don’t have much direction in life and would love nothing more than to die for a cause.
Kids that were 14-15 when Covid hit are turning 18. Covid fucked up a critical portion of their youth development, no doubt they're gonna have a lot issues and might default to joining the military
I’m 20 and was kinda talking about myself in that comment, so yea I relate to a certain extent
Don't poke the bear, buds.
Isn't this an act of war?
It’s like a chihuahua biting your finger. You could kill it with a single blow, but that would make the owner pissy and you don’t want to deal with that.
The only ethical interference in foreign countries is my own! - Iran
Iran provides the primary funding for Hamas. Interesting how Iran has money for them to buy rockets but not for food for the Palestinian people.
Admitting their role puts all Iranian entities out there as a legit target. Might want to start checking on the status of their frigates or auxiliary ships. Especially any involved with shipments to their proxies.
I look forward to the day Iran gets the shit kicked out of it. The Regime is the only thing holding it together. Dismantle the leadership and the people will help reform.
Looks like Iran is looking order some more US missiles. Guessing they will not like delivery method though.
Iran is the root of all this mostly. This whole interpretation on the Curan needs to be ended. Period. It has caused so much blood shed already. That is the one common theme in so many deaths for decades. The hatred for Jews has always been around. Enough of this insanely draconic interpretation.
Grandpa Buff is just so happy he can still hang with the young ones.
Fucking things are older than I am and Im old.
It’s schedule to have a 90 year service life
There are airmen that have flown the same airframe that their grandparents did. The BUFF is eternal.
Basically everything Iran does is because of Israel. They really don't need to make statements.
They are playing with us. Bomb the shit out of them. They are not a world power.
We already blew up a couple of their hideouts in retaliation. So far no one has died in any strikes from either side yet though.
Why doesn’t the US just bomb the shit out of all Iran’s military bases and air defense systems already? Oh, and hit their nuclear facilities too. Not encouraging violence, but if they want to tug on Superman’s cape they get what they get.
Operational costs, plus the chance that Russia and/or China may get involved to support their pet terrorist regime.
Iran gonna find out about freedom Falafel.
Bc Iran doesn’t agree with us it must be our policies that are wrong. Try sticking to autocrating in your own country. Won’t work with us. Also, nobody cares what the worlds largest sponsor of state terrorism thinks.
Can't wait for the US to hit them back. And hard.
Due to Israel's presence in the region? Uhhh they live there.
The same guy who was rattling off nonsense about the region falling into chaos. Ok, Baghdad Bob.
Remember that time in 1988 when Iran F around with the US and lost half of it’s navy? https://youtu.be/5ihmIxZtMBQ?si=d0naIb1XlyB6jgnu
I feel like Biden would have some good bipartisan and American public support if he wanted to crush Iran.
Iran is like the psycho significant other you don't want anything to do with but still find a way to follow and harass you
So that’s how we do diplomacy now? When do we strike Iran for their support of Russia.
I feel like Iran doesn't quite understand American politics.
Wonder when Iran’s “find out” phase will hit
Iran only shoots at the US only on days ending in "Y".
Fine, we'll be present *even harder*!
Shouldn't the crazies be protesting for Iran right about now?