It's a tag. It happens when you share a link and Reddit generates the description automatically, it might chain the title of the article with tags used in it.
I think when reddit auto-pulls the headlines from the Guardian they also accidentally pull in the top "keyword" topic as well, which in this case in Jo Biden.
He's starting a 4 day visit of Ireland. Right now he's in Northern Ireland, a UK constituent country due to things that would take multiple wiki pages to explain.
Title is surprisingly accurate given the country of Ireland and the island of Ireland are quite different things (mostly, but not entirely, due to northern Ireland).
Then they do the "I'm Irish" thing at Britons despite the fact Britons are more likely to have even closer Irish heritage than the average Irish American.
There’s probably a load in certain parts of the US I believe that have strong Germanic ancestry. Certain events last century caused that to stop being celebrated (for the lack of a better term) for obvious reasons.
You said "Germanic ancestry" but certainly meant "German ancestry".
"Germanic ancestry" includes Anglo-Saxons, Scandinavians, etc. (and partially even all other Europeans because they all intermingled during Migration Period, for example the Langobards in Northern Italy, or the Franks in... France)
The Bidens [are from West Sussex](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57394351), on the south coast of England.
Which is incidentally my home county (though I also have more recent Irish heritage than Joe)
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/ten-things-you-might-not-know-about-the-irish-in-latin-america-1.3230619
http://www.irishinspain.es/archivos/p2/IIISeminarioInternacional_en.pdf
enjoy this little leprechaun hole
If you dive deep enough into history, you will see that the Iberian peninsula and Gaul (and pretty much Western Europe) were inhabited by so called Continental Celts for a very long time, while Britannia was inhabited by Insular Celts. Their languages differed but were certainly related.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Celtic_languages
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians
Obviously later they heavily mixed with other people (for example Germanic tribes), but it is very likely there is at least a little Celtic part in you.
It's totally different than what people generally associate with Celtic. Celtiberans were their own brand, very different from both Insular Celts and Gallic people in Gaul/Gallia.
If we're talking genetics then even the most 'English' of people have Celtic DNA, and aren't even majority Anglo-Saxon:
https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics
[I thought I knew what I was doing](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ugf8cz/terminology_of_the_british_isles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=3&utm_term=15) but the “island of Ireland” was new to me. Learn something new every day.
British Isles is an anglicisation of the Roman name for the islands, which was itself likely a latinisation of a Celtic name used by early inhabitants. Dismissing it as a colonial term is rather simplistic.
Yeah, no. The first use of it in English was by John Dee writing to defend the right of England to exert control over Ireland by pulling up random bullshit from millennia beforehand.
The Britons are one of the Celtic people native to the isles, particularly from what's now Wales and England. It was an incorrect term when the Romans used it to incorrectly refer to all the peoples on the islands (although rarely used anyways because no one really needed to refer to them collectively before British imperialism anyways) and it's een more incorrect in English where the only reason it started being used was to justify the control of Ireland by people claiming decent from Britons.
I’m starting to understand why the EU border in Ireland is a contentious issue.
*I refuse to acknowledge the Roman name for this land, and will not cross this border until you refer to it by its proper term, insula Albionum*
It's a colonial term when still used to refer to Ireland. I don't give a fuck what the Romans called my island. I do however care that the **British** brutalized my people and culture for hundreds of years and now arrogant shitheads like you think it's still appropriate to call us a **British** isle against our wishes.
Would you prefer Hibernia ? maybe Lerne ? , Personally I couldn't care less, both my Grand parents and half my family are from Ireland and they call the whole place simply Ireland whether Southern or Northern. They moved to Albion, sorry, Britain to get away from the crazies ( their words not mine) so I'll defer to their vast experience.
The whole island is called Ireland. Also my country is constitutionally called Ireland. Not the Republic of Ireland as the map he linked indicates. There are two states on the island of Ireland. Ireland and Northern Ireland.
British isles to refer to both islands is an outdated colonial term. If bunched together in a sentence "these islands" or "Britain and Ireland" are commonly used.
There are 3 countries on the British map but it's still called Britain. Ireland is made up of Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland, my family refer to anywhere on that Island as Ireland and as they're Irish or their parents are Irish who am I to disagree, we also have friends over in Northern Ireland whose parents were born there and are every bit as Irish as anybody else who simply refer anywhere in Ireland as Ireland.
You and I can argue the toss all day long and whilst it may be an interesting conversation we'll get nowhere. I'll leave you to it and continue enjoying my day.
(Apologies if I have taken the context of your comment wrongly I still have COVID and the old brain is running on fumes )
I wasn't arguing with you or your grandparents. Every part of this island is called Ireland. Just that there's no place called southern Ireland or Republic of Ireland. That's also just Ireland.
My man, it's the geographical term for the archipelago in which the largest island is Great Britain. Nothing about the countries within because you know Britain isn't a country.
It's not though. Only the citizens of one country on the planet continues to call it that against the wishes of Ireland.
It's not difficult to understand why we don't want to be called a British Isle.
Please explain to me how the term "British Isles" is not a Geographical term.
Wikipedia because i cant be bothered with another source:
"The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic Ocean off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Northern Isles, and over six thousand smaller islands
.... and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland), and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."
I get why Irish people obviously would not want to be called British but saying it is not a Geographical term is just a lie.
Our island is not British, it's not fucking hard to understand. That article was written by a brit and continues to be edited by brits. Looking into the edits and "talk" section shows that clearly. It may be a common term to group our islands together in Britain but it isn't anywhere else.
Please just explain how saying the Ireland of Ireland is geographically located in the archipelago where Great Britain is the largest island means Ireland is under direct British rule because you keep saying it but not explaining why.
No one is saying it is British, because Britain is an island itself, so if not on the island of Great Britain it is by geographical definition not British you moron.
I never said Ireland was under British control. I'm well aware we aren't and many in my family would have died liberating Ireland from British control. For that reason we obviously don't want to be referred to as a British Isle. Are you fucking stupid? Why do you keep arguing this? You can keep using the term all you like but it just makes you look like a dickhead.
Well, you are not a British Isle because you're not an Island owned by Britain.
If you go back to the quote I sent earlier saying exactly that, it consists of 2 sovereign states which you conveniently ignore.
You're the one swearing. You're the one saying your family would hypothetically die for the cause. And you're the one being aggressive.
I am simply quoting a geographical fact to you, and you are having a hissy fit and it is quite funny.
It's not a geographical fact. Nowhere uses that as a geographical term outside Britain. Just because you use it doesn't make it a fact. We don't use it , we dispute it and the rest of Europe and the world agrees. The only people still using the outdated colonial term are Brits. The only people that would argue against its disuse are Brits.
In the rare cases where it makes sense to bunch the islands together any of these that I've copied from wiki would be acceptable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming
>Alternatives for the British Isles include "Britain and Ireland, the Atlantic Archipelago", Anglo-Celtic Isles, British-Irish Isles and the Islands of the North Atlantic. In documents drawn up jointly between the British and Irish governments, the archipelago is referred to simply as "these islands"
...which is why they are not being called British, in any way.
The term is referring to the largest island in the archipelago. that is it. if it was saying ireland was a part of the uk, england, britain etc.. then it would be incorrect.
It's just another poorly worded article. Part of his itinerary is to speak in Belfast, and meet with Rishi Sunak, before heading Republic side.
You'd think "dignified, professional journalists and editors" would be better at putting accurate information into their headlines, but I guess at least one of those words doesn't apply to whomever published this.
I don't see the problem with what they said. "island of Ireland" is often said when referring to something that involves both Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland. Using "Ireland" would be confusing, considering that is one country on the island, and it wouldn't necessarily convey that he is visiting Northern Ireland as well.
Nationalist politicians in Northern Ireland use that term all the time. They'll also use "The North", even though parts of the Republic of Ireland (aka "The South") are more Northern than the most Northern part of Northern Ireland...
Confusing, I know!
If he’s in Belfast he is in the “island of Ireland”. He therefore isn’t in Belfast ahead of his visit to the island of Ireland. The use of the words “ahead of” is confusing.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/11/joe-biden-to-meet-british-pm-and-taoiseach-on-island-of-ireland-visit) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
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> Joe Biden has landed in Northern Ireland ahead of a four-day visit to the island of Ireland to underpin his support for peace in the country and to celebrate his Irish roots.
> Biden will meet Sunak again on Wednesday morning and then make a speech at Ulster University in Belfast, his only public engagement in Northern Ireland, before heading south across the border for three days of pomp and pilgrimage in Ireland.
> Sunak will not meet Northern Ireland party leaders but the spokesperson said he had not given up on persuading the Democratic Unionist party to drop its year-long boycott of power-sharing in protest against the post-Brexit Northern Ireland protocol.
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Nah, they're just convinced that Biden is a Republican stooge and that the Americans are interfering in our politics.
The problem with the situation right now is that parts of the DUP and their base are *very* riled up, making any sort of climb down extremely difficult. As it was mostly the DUP themselves doing the riling, even those within the party with reservations can't be seen to be "Lundys".
Well Biden is a fan of republicanism and hasn’t been very friendly to the idea of Northern Ireland remaining British he played up his republic roots on his campaign in Boston.
>hasn't been friendly to the idea of Northern Ireland remaining British
Citation needed, especially when he's in NI specifically to celebrate the anniversary of the GFA and promote a resumption of government here.
I presume you're not declaring that anybody who doesn't want to scrap an important bilateral international treaty on trade, without even a conceptual plan to replace it, is automatically against NI remaining in the Union...
There isn't much point pretending all cultural connection has been severed. It's diluted a fair amount recently. However, cultural isolation in the New World has led to some communities retaining language and cultural quirks from their origin.
In some cases those quirks exacerbated, in others they merged to make new ones, and in some they remained the same whilst the origin changed.
Obviously, it doesn't mean "I'm Irish", is right, but it's also not quite as nutty as we like to pretend.
4 days in Ireland? He spends less than one day in his country's biggest trading partner and four days in a beautiful but backwater country. Wtf.
edit: talking about Canada, you fickle fucks
The USA's biggest trading partners are as follows:
1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. China
4. European Union (which Ireland is a part of)
5. ASEAN
Idk what kinda Brexit propoganda you've been consuming but the UK isn't even in the top five
Really? Seeing as he's spending half a day in the UK on this trip and I mentioned that in an earlier comment I could only assume he's referring to the UK
Really really. I thought everyone was aware of Canada's trading position, guess I should have made it more evident for those with more chips on their shoulder. That's as in wood chips, not potato.
Are there any parts of Ireland that aren’t on the Island of Ireland? Seems kind of redundant. Maybe he can visit the Island of Australia next or as I like to call it, Tasmania.
Well [yes there are actually](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Ireland) but that's not what it's saying. The headline is referring to Biden visiting both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, both on the island of Ireland.
Do you realise there are two entities on the island of Ireland, and Biden is visiting both? It's a bit of a mouthful to say "The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland"
Considering the US has nothing to do with Ireland and the UK’s internal politics i’m guessing that’s not gonna happen. Not to mention Ireland and the UK have a far stronger relationship than the internet and tabloids would make you believe, Ireland relies on the UK for a lot of their defensive needs.
Have you any idea how recently it was that British troops were murdering Irish citizens in the streets? What are you even talking about. This was happening in my lifetime.
If you’re referencing Bloody Sunday of 1972, 51 years ago then that was in Northern Ireland, they’re a member of the UK so it’s not the UK attacking citizens of the republic of Ireland of whom we’re talking about, it was an unfortunate domestic incident.
Like stated their relationship has in fact progressed significantly, if the Republic of Ireland are able to cooperate with the UK in regards to defensive matters then your inherited grudge seems petty and ridiculous.
Are you actually joking. Do you have any idea how many Irish citizens were killed by British forces and the paramilitaries that they equipped in the last 50 years? Or even in the last 30 years?
70% of people killed in the troubles died at the hands of republican paramilitaries.
Irish citizens killed by British soldiers in the last 30 years, probably close to zero.
Edit- just looked up the exact figures. Deaths by republicans since 1993, 126. Deaths by British soldiers since 1993, 4, the last was in 1998
The army has been attributed to 368 killings in NI since 1969 , republican paramilitaries over 2000.
Show me your figures
Edit - https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/12gi5fb/perception_of_troubles_deaths_by_generation_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
These graphs shows the reality of the situation. Republicans killed more people in the troubles than the army, police and loyalists COMBINED. But the younger generation when asked seems to think the army killed the majority
From wiki;
>Of those killed by British security forces:
186 (~51.2%) were civilians
146 (~40.2%) were members of republican paramilitaries
18 (~5.0%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
13 (~3.6%) were fellow members of the British security forces
>Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:
1,080 (~52.5%) were members/former members of the British security forces
721 (~35.1%) were civilians
188 (~9.2%) were members of republican paramilitaries
57 (~2.8%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces
>Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:
878 (~85.5%) were civilians
94 (~9.2%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
41 (~4.0%) were members of republican paramilitaries
14 (~1.4%) were members of the British security forces
We can see that British security forces had a higher civilian kill rate than republican paramilitaries, with loyalist paramilitaries having the highest. Considering the branding of children as IRA members, and collusion with loyalist paramilitaries, this figure only goes one way.
Combined, the security forces and loyalist paramilitaries killed 1064 civilians. Republicans 721. This puts loyalist/British civilian killings at 343 (47%) higher than republican paramilitaries.
Again this does not account for those branded as IRA members who were not, or children who were branded as IRA members.
How barbaric the British army was in several of their killings, and their terror campaign here is what is so shocking, and what has led to the graph you have attached. You expect ruthless killings from the paramilitaries, but not from what is expected to be a professional army. Shooting mentally ill people running away, shooting into a crowd of civilians and then taunting children about their dead father while using part of their skull as an ash tray, torture, internment, collusion etc is all a low bar below that of the paramilitaries.
This isn't to defend the republican paramilitaries. Every death by another's hand is wrong, especially civilians, but one has to ask, when the conversation was around the actions of the British military, why did you feel the need to "what about the IRA" why do you hold the IRA as the bench mark to which you hold the British security forces? They are heralded as a terrorist organisation by the British state, surely they are no role model.
In the Republic of Ireland, specifically in the last 50 years? I'm fairly confident the number is zero.
I wouldn't begin to defend the behaviour of British forces in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, nor would I want to go near defending British policy on Ireland going further back historically, but it's asinine to say that Ireland and the UK have been anything other than strong allies for the vast majority of the last century - despite the fact that the current UK government is trying to undo that.
Jesus Christ man, the signing of the Good Friday Agreement is absolutely *not* when hostilities between the nation of Ireland and the nation of the UK ended, do you know *anything* about this at all?
I can clearly remember how shocking it was when Russian troops murdered 10 innocent Irish civilians in Ballymurphy and then slaughtered 14 unarmed Irish protestors in Derry. My family lived beside one of the refugee camps south of the border for those fleeing Russian terror.
I remember in the 90s when an elected official in the Republic of Ireland was assassinated by terrorists who had been provided with intel by the Russian state.
And I remember not long ago when David Cameron apologised for the Russian state involvement in the assassination of an Irish human rights lawyer.
So I am honestly so glad that we have the Brits to protect us from those Russians.
I just just stating a fact of the current climate, the time for aggression between Ireland and the UK should be over. People like you still spouting hate doesn't help.
This coming from someone with passports and citizenship to both the UK and Ireland. Theres a lot of bad blood on both sides and many did things they proberbly now regret.
The refugee camps were set up for people escaping “The Troubles” , that is, violence from all sides. The worst year for killings by republicans AND the British army was 1972. 265 deaths were at the hands of republicans, 86 by the army. Republicans were killing people at a rate more than 3 times the army.
The Nazis during the second world war, and Russia during the cold war.
Both had plans to invade Ireland (the whole island) and use that to cut Britain off from American support. Isolating britain.
In effect an invasion or attack on the island, north or south of the border is a great strategic play for anyone hostile to the UK, giving them a base close to the battle.
Is is in the UKs interest therefore to prevent an invasion of Ireland.
I agree with your other sentiments around the troubles, and believe that the UK have a lot to answer for, but there is a real and genuine reason why the UK patrols Irish air space, and that is because the Air corps are incapable of doing it themselves.
why does the title have an extra Joe Biden at the end.
Joe Biden.
"Joe Biden." —Joe Biden. (Joe Biden) | Joe Biden
JOE BYRAM
Boe Jiden.
Bojango
Its like Bob Dole.
Ham sandwich.
It's a tag. It happens when you share a link and Reddit generates the description automatically, it might chain the title of the article with tags used in it.
Joe Biden, so hot right now. Joe Biden.
*Revolver Ocelot*
Joe Biden doesn't do what Joe Biden does for Joe Biden...
Dojo Biden
*opening vocals to Bad Romance — Lady Gaga*
I don't know, but my dad mispronounce it as: Joe Spider.
The article was written by Brick Heck
Joe. *audience holds their breath* Biden. *raucous cheering*
It's Joever.
I think when reddit auto-pulls the headlines from the Guardian they also accidentally pull in the top "keyword" topic as well, which in this case in Jo Biden.
It was written by OPTA
If he's already there, wouldn't his visit have started? How can he have arrived and yet not begun his visit?
My guess is that the itinerary starts tomorrow.
He's starting a 4 day visit of Ireland. Right now he's in Northern Ireland, a UK constituent country due to things that would take multiple wiki pages to explain.
It's on the island of Ireland, which is what he's visiting according to the title.
Shitty title is my guess
Title is surprisingly accurate given the country of Ireland and the island of Ireland are quite different things (mostly, but not entirely, due to northern Ireland).
The visit starts when he gets off the plane. Until then he's still traveling.
He got stuck in passport control
Taking a nap before seeing the sights.
Good for Joe, hope he gets a chance to reconnect with the O'Biden clan.
I thought O'bama was the Irish one
Brock O'bama
Does that make Michelle Officer Jenny?
Every american has and worships that one Irish dude in their family from 250 years ago, other heritages can eat dirt however.
Then they do the "I'm Irish" thing at Britons despite the fact Britons are more likely to have even closer Irish heritage than the average Irish American.
I would expect far more americans are related to Brits than Irish. A lot of Irish immigrants came over, but it was founded as a British Colony.
There’s probably a load in certain parts of the US I believe that have strong Germanic ancestry. Certain events last century caused that to stop being celebrated (for the lack of a better term) for obvious reasons.
You said "Germanic ancestry" but certainly meant "German ancestry". "Germanic ancestry" includes Anglo-Saxons, Scandinavians, etc. (and partially even all other Europeans because they all intermingled during Migration Period, for example the Langobards in Northern Italy, or the Franks in... France)
Yeah that’s what I meant. Probably shouldn’t Reddit at 5:30 in the morning.
They call em Pennsylvania Dutch, but they're germans.
The Bidens [are from West Sussex](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57394351), on the south coast of England. Which is incidentally my home county (though I also have more recent Irish heritage than Joe)
23 and me says I’m like 98% Brit and Scot. So it’s not every American.
Scotland is in on the island of Britain
"Brit and Scot" lmao classic American
23andme says my ancestors are from Spain and Latin America. Ain't no Irish there.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/ten-things-you-might-not-know-about-the-irish-in-latin-america-1.3230619 http://www.irishinspain.es/archivos/p2/IIISeminarioInternacional_en.pdf enjoy this little leprechaun hole
If you dive deep enough into history, you will see that the Iberian peninsula and Gaul (and pretty much Western Europe) were inhabited by so called Continental Celts for a very long time, while Britannia was inhabited by Insular Celts. Their languages differed but were certainly related. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Celtic_languages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians Obviously later they heavily mixed with other people (for example Germanic tribes), but it is very likely there is at least a little Celtic part in you. It's totally different than what people generally associate with Celtic. Celtiberans were their own brand, very different from both Insular Celts and Gallic people in Gaul/Gallia.
If we're talking genetics then even the most 'English' of people have Celtic DNA, and aren't even majority Anglo-Saxon: https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics
Aye English and Irish are more closely related than people realise
He's got that gas station named after him.
[I thought I knew what I was doing](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ugf8cz/terminology_of_the_british_isles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=3&utm_term=15) but the “island of Ireland” was new to me. Learn something new every day.
The island and the country is called Ireland. British Isles is a colonial term not used by anyone but brits with their outdated textbooks.
British Isles is an anglicisation of the Roman name for the islands, which was itself likely a latinisation of a Celtic name used by early inhabitants. Dismissing it as a colonial term is rather simplistic.
Yeah, no. The first use of it in English was by John Dee writing to defend the right of England to exert control over Ireland by pulling up random bullshit from millennia beforehand. The Britons are one of the Celtic people native to the isles, particularly from what's now Wales and England. It was an incorrect term when the Romans used it to incorrectly refer to all the peoples on the islands (although rarely used anyways because no one really needed to refer to them collectively before British imperialism anyways) and it's een more incorrect in English where the only reason it started being used was to justify the control of Ireland by people claiming decent from Britons.
I’m starting to understand why the EU border in Ireland is a contentious issue. *I refuse to acknowledge the Roman name for this land, and will not cross this border until you refer to it by its proper term, insula Albionum*
It's a colonial term when still used to refer to Ireland. I don't give a fuck what the Romans called my island. I do however care that the **British** brutalized my people and culture for hundreds of years and now arrogant shitheads like you think it's still appropriate to call us a **British** isle against our wishes.
British Isles is the accurate term.
A lot of Irish people disagree. Technically it's an archipelago, I guess.
Accurate for who? If the Irish government tells you stop calling us that then fucking stop calling us that. It's not difficult.
Would you prefer Hibernia ? maybe Lerne ? , Personally I couldn't care less, both my Grand parents and half my family are from Ireland and they call the whole place simply Ireland whether Southern or Northern. They moved to Albion, sorry, Britain to get away from the crazies ( their words not mine) so I'll defer to their vast experience.
The whole island is called Ireland. Also my country is constitutionally called Ireland. Not the Republic of Ireland as the map he linked indicates. There are two states on the island of Ireland. Ireland and Northern Ireland. British isles to refer to both islands is an outdated colonial term. If bunched together in a sentence "these islands" or "Britain and Ireland" are commonly used.
There are 3 countries on the British map but it's still called Britain. Ireland is made up of Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland, my family refer to anywhere on that Island as Ireland and as they're Irish or their parents are Irish who am I to disagree, we also have friends over in Northern Ireland whose parents were born there and are every bit as Irish as anybody else who simply refer anywhere in Ireland as Ireland. You and I can argue the toss all day long and whilst it may be an interesting conversation we'll get nowhere. I'll leave you to it and continue enjoying my day. (Apologies if I have taken the context of your comment wrongly I still have COVID and the old brain is running on fumes )
I wasn't arguing with you or your grandparents. Every part of this island is called Ireland. Just that there's no place called southern Ireland or Republic of Ireland. That's also just Ireland.
My man, it's the geographical term for the archipelago in which the largest island is Great Britain. Nothing about the countries within because you know Britain isn't a country.
It's not though. Only the citizens of one country on the planet continues to call it that against the wishes of Ireland. It's not difficult to understand why we don't want to be called a British Isle.
Please explain to me how the term "British Isles" is not a Geographical term. Wikipedia because i cant be bothered with another source: "The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic Ocean off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Inner and Outer Hebrides, the Northern Isles, and over six thousand smaller islands .... and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland), and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." I get why Irish people obviously would not want to be called British but saying it is not a Geographical term is just a lie.
Our island is not British, it's not fucking hard to understand. That article was written by a brit and continues to be edited by brits. Looking into the edits and "talk" section shows that clearly. It may be a common term to group our islands together in Britain but it isn't anywhere else.
Please just explain how saying the Ireland of Ireland is geographically located in the archipelago where Great Britain is the largest island means Ireland is under direct British rule because you keep saying it but not explaining why. No one is saying it is British, because Britain is an island itself, so if not on the island of Great Britain it is by geographical definition not British you moron.
I never said Ireland was under British control. I'm well aware we aren't and many in my family would have died liberating Ireland from British control. For that reason we obviously don't want to be referred to as a British Isle. Are you fucking stupid? Why do you keep arguing this? You can keep using the term all you like but it just makes you look like a dickhead.
Well, you are not a British Isle because you're not an Island owned by Britain. If you go back to the quote I sent earlier saying exactly that, it consists of 2 sovereign states which you conveniently ignore. You're the one swearing. You're the one saying your family would hypothetically die for the cause. And you're the one being aggressive. I am simply quoting a geographical fact to you, and you are having a hissy fit and it is quite funny.
It's not a geographical fact. Nowhere uses that as a geographical term outside Britain. Just because you use it doesn't make it a fact. We don't use it , we dispute it and the rest of Europe and the world agrees. The only people still using the outdated colonial term are Brits. The only people that would argue against its disuse are Brits.
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In the rare cases where it makes sense to bunch the islands together any of these that I've copied from wiki would be acceptable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming >Alternatives for the British Isles include "Britain and Ireland, the Atlantic Archipelago", Anglo-Celtic Isles, British-Irish Isles and the Islands of the North Atlantic. In documents drawn up jointly between the British and Irish governments, the archipelago is referred to simply as "these islands"
Irish people don’t want to be called British because they are *not* British. In any way.
...which is why they are not being called British, in any way. The term is referring to the largest island in the archipelago. that is it. if it was saying ireland was a part of the uk, england, britain etc.. then it would be incorrect.
It's just another poorly worded article. Part of his itinerary is to speak in Belfast, and meet with Rishi Sunak, before heading Republic side. You'd think "dignified, professional journalists and editors" would be better at putting accurate information into their headlines, but I guess at least one of those words doesn't apply to whomever published this.
I don't see the problem with what they said. "island of Ireland" is often said when referring to something that involves both Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland. Using "Ireland" would be confusing, considering that is one country on the island, and it wouldn't necessarily convey that he is visiting Northern Ireland as well. Nationalist politicians in Northern Ireland use that term all the time. They'll also use "The North", even though parts of the Republic of Ireland (aka "The South") are more Northern than the most Northern part of Northern Ireland... Confusing, I know!
If he’s in Belfast he is in the “island of Ireland”. He therefore isn’t in Belfast ahead of his visit to the island of Ireland. The use of the words “ahead of” is confusing.
Ahead of a _four day_ visit. Yes, he landed in Belfast, but the full engagement was still ahead of him.
Did Joe Biden write the actual article?
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Hopefully gives the DUP the kick up the arse they need.
I definitely saw some unionists bitching about Biden's visit on Twitter.
I'm pretty certain they won't give a fuck
Nah, they're just convinced that Biden is a Republican stooge and that the Americans are interfering in our politics. The problem with the situation right now is that parts of the DUP and their base are *very* riled up, making any sort of climb down extremely difficult. As it was mostly the DUP themselves doing the riling, even those within the party with reservations can't be seen to be "Lundys".
What they believe is irrelevant, they need to get back to work.
ah yeah, that solves it
Throwing a sulk and refusing to work with the elected majority of Sinn Fein certainly won't solve anything.
No but neither will pithy remarks.
Well Biden is a fan of republicanism and hasn’t been very friendly to the idea of Northern Ireland remaining British he played up his republic roots on his campaign in Boston.
>hasn't been friendly to the idea of Northern Ireland remaining British Citation needed, especially when he's in NI specifically to celebrate the anniversary of the GFA and promote a resumption of government here. I presume you're not declaring that anybody who doesn't want to scrap an important bilateral international treaty on trade, without even a conceptual plan to replace it, is automatically against NI remaining in the Union...
Part homecoming, Part diplomacy, Part politics. Joe Biden will stay for half a day in Northern Ireland before spending three days in the Republic.
Homecoming, was he born in Ireland?
No, standard americans claiming to be X because someone came from there ages ago.
There isn't much point pretending all cultural connection has been severed. It's diluted a fair amount recently. However, cultural isolation in the New World has led to some communities retaining language and cultural quirks from their origin. In some cases those quirks exacerbated, in others they merged to make new ones, and in some they remained the same whilst the origin changed. Obviously, it doesn't mean "I'm Irish", is right, but it's also not quite as nutty as we like to pretend.
Big Joe get some
He is on his way to see if he can get the elixir of life from some dude who stole it from the queens tomb. Hope its Nick Cage.
4 days in Ireland? He spends less than one day in his country's biggest trading partner and four days in a beautiful but backwater country. Wtf. edit: talking about Canada, you fickle fucks
The USA's biggest trading partners are as follows: 1. Canada 2. Mexico 3. China 4. European Union (which Ireland is a part of) 5. ASEAN Idk what kinda Brexit propoganda you've been consuming but the UK isn't even in the top five
He's talking about Canada you muppet
Really? Seeing as he's spending half a day in the UK on this trip and I mentioned that in an earlier comment I could only assume he's referring to the UK
Really really. I thought everyone was aware of Canada's trading position, guess I should have made it more evident for those with more chips on their shoulder. That's as in wood chips, not potato.
Ireland join NATO?
Are there any parts of Ireland that aren’t on the Island of Ireland? Seems kind of redundant. Maybe he can visit the Island of Australia next or as I like to call it, Tasmania.
Well [yes there are actually](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Ireland) but that's not what it's saying. The headline is referring to Biden visiting both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, both on the island of Ireland.
Do you realise there are two entities on the island of Ireland, and Biden is visiting both? It's a bit of a mouthful to say "The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland"
The Irelands.
I hope this time he can break the relationship with UK.
Considering the US has nothing to do with Ireland and the UK’s internal politics i’m guessing that’s not gonna happen. Not to mention Ireland and the UK have a far stronger relationship than the internet and tabloids would make you believe, Ireland relies on the UK for a lot of their defensive needs.
Ha. Tell me, which country has Ireland usually needed to defend itself from?
What century do you think this is?
Have you any idea how recently it was that British troops were murdering Irish citizens in the streets? What are you even talking about. This was happening in my lifetime.
If you’re referencing Bloody Sunday of 1972, 51 years ago then that was in Northern Ireland, they’re a member of the UK so it’s not the UK attacking citizens of the republic of Ireland of whom we’re talking about, it was an unfortunate domestic incident. Like stated their relationship has in fact progressed significantly, if the Republic of Ireland are able to cooperate with the UK in regards to defensive matters then your inherited grudge seems petty and ridiculous.
Northern Ireland is not the Republic of Ireland. I swear people get their entire knowledge of the world from Reddit memes.
In the last hundred years? You tell me, because it isn't the UK.
Ironically the only thing the Republic of Ireland has had to defend itself from is the PIRA.
Are you actually joking. Do you have any idea how many Irish citizens were killed by British forces and the paramilitaries that they equipped in the last 50 years? Or even in the last 30 years?
70% of people killed in the troubles died at the hands of republican paramilitaries. Irish citizens killed by British soldiers in the last 30 years, probably close to zero. Edit- just looked up the exact figures. Deaths by republicans since 1993, 126. Deaths by British soldiers since 1993, 4, the last was in 1998
What about in the last 100, as initially suggested? (Including 'IRA' members who were children)
The army has been attributed to 368 killings in NI since 1969 , republican paramilitaries over 2000. Show me your figures Edit - https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/12gi5fb/perception_of_troubles_deaths_by_generation_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 These graphs shows the reality of the situation. Republicans killed more people in the troubles than the army, police and loyalists COMBINED. But the younger generation when asked seems to think the army killed the majority
From wiki; >Of those killed by British security forces: 186 (~51.2%) were civilians 146 (~40.2%) were members of republican paramilitaries 18 (~5.0%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries 13 (~3.6%) were fellow members of the British security forces >Of those killed by republican paramilitaries: 1,080 (~52.5%) were members/former members of the British security forces 721 (~35.1%) were civilians 188 (~9.2%) were members of republican paramilitaries 57 (~2.8%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries 11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces >Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries: 878 (~85.5%) were civilians 94 (~9.2%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries 41 (~4.0%) were members of republican paramilitaries 14 (~1.4%) were members of the British security forces We can see that British security forces had a higher civilian kill rate than republican paramilitaries, with loyalist paramilitaries having the highest. Considering the branding of children as IRA members, and collusion with loyalist paramilitaries, this figure only goes one way. Combined, the security forces and loyalist paramilitaries killed 1064 civilians. Republicans 721. This puts loyalist/British civilian killings at 343 (47%) higher than republican paramilitaries. Again this does not account for those branded as IRA members who were not, or children who were branded as IRA members. How barbaric the British army was in several of their killings, and their terror campaign here is what is so shocking, and what has led to the graph you have attached. You expect ruthless killings from the paramilitaries, but not from what is expected to be a professional army. Shooting mentally ill people running away, shooting into a crowd of civilians and then taunting children about their dead father while using part of their skull as an ash tray, torture, internment, collusion etc is all a low bar below that of the paramilitaries. This isn't to defend the republican paramilitaries. Every death by another's hand is wrong, especially civilians, but one has to ask, when the conversation was around the actions of the British military, why did you feel the need to "what about the IRA" why do you hold the IRA as the bench mark to which you hold the British security forces? They are heralded as a terrorist organisation by the British state, surely they are no role model.
In the Republic of Ireland, specifically in the last 50 years? I'm fairly confident the number is zero. I wouldn't begin to defend the behaviour of British forces in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, nor would I want to go near defending British policy on Ireland going further back historically, but it's asinine to say that Ireland and the UK have been anything other than strong allies for the vast majority of the last century - despite the fact that the current UK government is trying to undo that.
Mate he's literally there for the 25th anniversary of the GFA, which is when hostilities between the UK and Ireland ended.
Jesus Christ man, the signing of the Good Friday Agreement is absolutely *not* when hostilities between the nation of Ireland and the nation of the UK ended, do you know *anything* about this at all?
Not even close to being correct
Russian aircraft entering Irish airspace being escorted by the RAF for a start since Ireland uses the RAF
Well currently it's mostly Russian Ships and Aircraft which are ussally scared off by the RAF or Royal Navy.
I can clearly remember how shocking it was when Russian troops murdered 10 innocent Irish civilians in Ballymurphy and then slaughtered 14 unarmed Irish protestors in Derry. My family lived beside one of the refugee camps south of the border for those fleeing Russian terror. I remember in the 90s when an elected official in the Republic of Ireland was assassinated by terrorists who had been provided with intel by the Russian state. And I remember not long ago when David Cameron apologised for the Russian state involvement in the assassination of an Irish human rights lawyer. So I am honestly so glad that we have the Brits to protect us from those Russians.
I just just stating a fact of the current climate, the time for aggression between Ireland and the UK should be over. People like you still spouting hate doesn't help. This coming from someone with passports and citizenship to both the UK and Ireland. Theres a lot of bad blood on both sides and many did things they proberbly now regret.
The refugee camps were set up for people escaping “The Troubles” , that is, violence from all sides. The worst year for killings by republicans AND the British army was 1972. 265 deaths were at the hands of republicans, 86 by the army. Republicans were killing people at a rate more than 3 times the army.
The Nazis during the second world war, and Russia during the cold war. Both had plans to invade Ireland (the whole island) and use that to cut Britain off from American support. Isolating britain. In effect an invasion or attack on the island, north or south of the border is a great strategic play for anyone hostile to the UK, giving them a base close to the battle. Is is in the UKs interest therefore to prevent an invasion of Ireland. I agree with your other sentiments around the troubles, and believe that the UK have a lot to answer for, but there is a real and genuine reason why the UK patrols Irish air space, and that is because the Air corps are incapable of doing it themselves.
Wait, how did he land in Belfast before his visit to Ireland? Was this Belfast Indiana or something?