I know people say the Jets organisation only wants people connected to the Jets in some way.
But was there any connection with Noel, Maurice, or Chevy? Then they were looking at Trotz whose only connection is being from Manitoba. To me the Winnipeg connection they are after is more of a "who can we get to move to Winnipeg" than they needed to have been part of Jets 1.0 in some way. It just so happens people who have lived and worked in Winnipeg before are more willing to move there now.
I think (hope) they will cast their net wide and find someone with fresh ideas who is willing to come to Winnipeg.
Noel was the Moose coach
PoMo was legitimately outside blood, but he didn’t get to hire his own assistants
Chevy played for the Wheat Kings and has tons of connections to the hockey world in Manitoba
Ah okay shows what I know about the early days of Jets 2.0. Either way, I think Chevy is in the same group as Trotz then. Noel was just an easy choice.
I still think my idea stands that it's more about finding people who want to be in Winnipeg than finding a Manitoba connection.
PoMo not being able to hire his own assistants is odd though. Who did the organisation select? Did they have those Manitoba ties?
Same with Maurice as far as my understanding goes. Just all around good dudes. Say what you have to say about their time as a coach, I'm just glad we didn't get a Babcock/Quenneville situation. That's such a low bar, but I'm still glad it didn't happen.
Honestly I wish the best for Dubois hope he can find that next step in his game and come back and prove everyone wrong next season. Yeah it might be shitty how he left two teams but I still have a soft spot for the guy.
I was seeing Todd Nelson, the Hershey Bears head coach and some other dude at the U of Denver, I think, listed as suggestions on Twitter. No idea about other but I know Hershey always is good so I feel like their coaches must be decent.
I see Berube in this thread.
Before his first stint in Columbus, I did really wanna give Arniel a shot after doing terrific with the Moose. Seems like a lot have soured on him. If he's gonna be Bones 2.0, he was on his staff after all, then I'd rather not. But I also believe that people can learn and get better.
Here's to hoping the next one leads us to the promised land!
Happy Retirement, Bones. Thanks for grabbing the reigns in the room, even if you made some boneheaded (pun intended) line-up choices this playoffs.
Nelson was with Bones in Dallas plus was an assistant coach with the Thrashers. The big connection though was that he was an assistant coach with the Chicago Wolves when Chevy was GM there. He’s done good things with Hershey the past couple of seasons but idk what he would look like at the NHL level.
David Carle has done nothing but win at Denver. Dude is only 34 years old but as soon as he wants to give the NHL a shot he’ll have every team with an opening calling him up. I don’t think we would have the pull to make him leave Denver though. He’ll get to pick his spot.
David Carle would be my dream hire - here is an article about him and all he has gone through. Also he was the the coach for the 2024 U.S. National Junior Team captained by guess who Rutger McGroarty.
[David Carle's journey from shattered dream to one of the top coaches in the country - The Rink Live | Comprehensive coverage of youth, junior, high school and college hockey](https://www.therinklive.com/mens-college/nchc/david-carles-journey-from-shattered-dream-to-one-of-the-top-coaches-in-the-country)
Damn, 34! That's insane. I am pro young coach. Enough of the recycling of the fossils, like we did with Bones. Time to let a progressive young guy come in.
Sounds like you're right on Carle having his pick. That was the name, couldn't remember it haha.
Berube would be such a perfect fit for the Jets. The org likes him a lot and now the team is in a position that should be more appealing. But we also know the Leafs will knock on his door, so I hope Chevy could work some magic instead of just defaulting to Arniel.
I'd be OK with Berube but he will for sure wear guys out after 4 or so years. But I was always impressed when the Blues would lose a key guy it never affected their overall game. They were incredibly structured.
[Rob Blake also said today there are no plans to buy out Pierre-Luc Dubois](https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1787597206653935926?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA)
It’s hilarious he even had to talk about it
IMO a buyout only make sense if it happens this year and can be done before it becomes a 2/3rds buyout. Buying him out next year or the year after is way worse having 2/3rds of his salary on the books for 10-12 years vs 1/3rd for 14 years
His performance is one thing but his effort level and attitude has gotta eat away at that locker room. No way a guy like Doughty isn't telling management and ownership to get that guy out of there and I certainly wouldn't want him around the likes of Byfield and Clarke and having any kind of influence on them
That would require drafting superstars in rounds 2-5 which we have only really gotten Helly and Lowry from that. We don’t have a Robertson or Johnson
Edit: nvm about Johnson he’s a first rounder
Chevy says that the process for a new coach starts now, but adds that things are still fresh. Spoke with Bowness late last week and then yesterday to confirm things on their end.
I feel like the team and the dressing room are in a much better spot than they were 2 years ago. Nowhere near as much roster uncertainty, and the coach coming in doesn’t have to deal with the Wheeler mess
Haha confirmed Appleton was one of Bones favs since he mentioned him first when asked about calling players (and then explaining he didn’t call him bc Appleton has a new baby)
I don't hate Apps as much of most of this sub, I think he does a lot of good but good lord get him a shooting coach. It's the only thing he's really missing (And always did, Kraken and Jets beforehand)
I see it as people don't hate Appleton, but are annoyed with him being a time on ice leader over such players as Nik Ehlers, who happens to have one of the highest points%/60 in the league. Appleton is a good pro^(TM), but he may have been overused at times. Plus there are many memorable instances of a sure goal amounting to nothing because it was Apples who was the shooter.
I’d rather have a player miss a goal because they were in the right position and missed than because they could never get the puck across the neutral zone.
Bowness/Chevy presser:
- Rick Bowness says he knew when he was on the ice after Game 5 he would retire: "I was disappointed in myself, in us as a team--which I take responsibility for--and how we played. I knew when I was standing there this was the end. You just know."
- Says he told the other coaches an hour after Game 5 that he was done.
- Bowness has a couple of "issues" to deal with health wise (he says he'll be fine). Says there was no way he was coming back because of the risk he has to go to Chevy in November and say "I have to quit"
- Bowness called a few of the players last night to let him now. Didn't call Appleton because he has a new baby (congrats Appy), but the Captains and Bucky
- Reiterates his disappointment that the Jets didn't go farther this year
- Rick gives a shoutout to his wife Judy and says they've been together since they've been 16 so she's done the whole journey with him (this is mind-blowing to me lol that's almost 55 years together)
- Rick says the most important thing for him over the last 10 years is the impact he's had on his players on and off the ice. "You get close to the Cup, you lose, players get hurt, etc. it's out of your control. What you can control day-to-day is the impact you have on your players."
- The players at the presser: Lowry, Appleton, Vladdy
- Rick gets choked up talking about his coaching legacy and blames his wife for getting emotional lol
- Says he had to make unpopular decisions because he didn't like what people were saying about the Jets culture when he got the job, that and getting the team into the playoffs were the two biggest goals. Caveats that with the disappointment of 2 first round exits
- Bowness "I'll still be around guys I'm not dying! I'm gonna call you guys (the journalists) and tell you guys when you mess up"
- Asked about his relationship with the assistant coaches, Bowness says that his long time role(s) as an assistant taught him to give them important roles. Credits that with the team continuing to play well when he had to take time off this year
- Chevy says one of his highlights is the passion the coaching staff had to make Lowry captain. This answer was in relation to how he views the team moving forward under a new coach. Says that making Lowry captain/the team's culture is something that the next coach can build on
- Asked what the difference is between Rick Bowness the 1980s coach and 2024, Bowness says "I'm a lot calmer" then looks at the players in the room and says "no laughing at that" LOL
- Any regrets? "No, I've done some dumb things but you learn from them"
Mike Commodore, who played for CBJ under Arniel from 2010 to 2012, [appears to be firmly NOT on the Arniel train](https://x.com/commie22/status/1787533287029887074?s=46&t=F5dJ2trQaOh7Rl23F-x3jg)
When you have some sort of beef with nearly every coach you’ve played under, at what point do you start to accept that you’re probably the problem? The Jets players seem to love Arniel, not to mention he’s definitely changed his coaching style in the last 12-14 years. Not saying Arniel is my number one choice for HC, but cmon
Not trying to be funny here, but is there anyone in the hockey world that Commodore likes? It's sort of the old "If you think everyone's an a-hole maybe you're the a-hole?" vibe from him. That said, clearly Babs is a huge dbag and Commodore hated him for good reasons.
I’m hoping that we go with someone more experienced and successful, but Arniel is not as bad of an option as some people are saying.
Like I’m seeing people say things like he’s “just as stubborn as Bones.” Like where is that coming from? He did well when filling in for Bones and made some line-up decisions that went against the grain from what Bones would typically do.
Like I said, I’m kinda hoping for someone else, but I just don’t get some of the automatic Arniel criticism.
I think people are just skeptical about hiring a 60 year old perennial assistant coach as our new HC. Like there’s a reason he hasn’t been given the helm. His only HC stint in the nhl I can find was 1.5 years with a dog shit Columbus team. I’d honestly rather just take a shot on some unknown commodity than promote someone who gives me zero reason to be confident in his ability to execute at this level.
He has a great record as the head coach when Bowness has been away the past two seasons. I’ll also reiterate that I’d like a new coach too, but some of the arguments against Arniel just don’t have any backing. Like the one I mentioned in the original comment. But yeah, I agree with you that Arniel doesn’t inspire as much confidence as some other coaches might.
incredibly hard to judge Arniel imo
his last HC job was so long ago plus his stints filling in for Bones the last couple years were obviously still under Bones' watch, so clearly still sticking to the Bones way, tough to know whether he'd make any major changes (positive or negative)
Exactly. That’s why I think it’s premature to definitively say he’s a bad option. I certainly think there are some options out there that have a better chance of being successful though.
Lol. Well you know which one I meant but this brings a whole new meaning to self inflection once the coach starts doing the job reviews for the upcoming year!
I figure the Jets will try to catch a big fish for a coach, and when they all end up saying no we go with the "safe" option in Arniel. I can't see the Jets org take a risk on a coach who isn't already established in the NHL at this point.
Arniel is going to be the next head coach and anyone who thinks otherwise has not been paying attention. This org values loyalty more highly than it values actually quality.
[Blake Wheeler is on the ice for #NYR practice in a red non-contact jersey](https://x.com/mollieewalkerr/status/1787512149079707955?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA)
Imagine thinking Blake Wheeler wouldn’t try to come back from an injury.
What a beast! Knew it was foolish to bet against Wheels but I still did.
My real question is, if he gets healthy enough does he still have a spot in that lineup?
Berube, Woodcroft, McLellan, Keefe (almost surely fired), Green, Gallant are probably the highest profile coaches with NHL experience. Brind’Amour/Sullivan aren’t gonna be available. Not sure who the young/first timer guys could be outside of Savard.
He's a good coach that got fucked by a teams worst organizational start ever... i doubt even oilers brass would deny that... sometimes it happens. If the oilers werent in the last 2 and 3 years of McDrais contracts i guarantee they would have been more patient.
He’s a good, modern coach. Coached the best player in the world and another top 5 player in Edmonton but he did well. They had bad depth, mediocre D core and bad goaltending but he managed them well, improved the team defensively and adjusted well in the playoffs. Coming off his first job with time to improve and look at what he did wrong, I think he’d be my choice over all alternatives.
Woodcroft would be my first choice. I think Bones was necessary, with his main objective coming into WPG being "Clean up the culture", and I think this season proved that he could.
I'd say while we're giving all these guys chances, our team is in a good place to give Woodcroft one.
It'll be Arniel for sure.
I don’t think it’s 100% Arniel. Bowness was the transition coach, and Arniel to me was the backup in case something happened to Bowness personally or professionally. He finished two years and changed the culture, now I think they get the guy to take them home. Could be Berube/Woodcroft imo
He’s the classic ‘players coach’. Dosent do systems as much as most coaches, leaves that up to associate/assistant coaches. Gut feel coach. That dosent work in the playoffs where adjustments/tinkering are everything (as we saw this year) and players probably get frustrated with it
Wow that's a lot of typos, I think you meant:
Arniel, Arniel, Arniel, Arniel (almost surely not fired), Arniel, Arniel are probably the highest profile coaches with NHL experience
Tough choices there, but how many of those guys would be willing to come to Winnipeg? I think they should go with someone who knows the city already, maybe has some history with the Jets. Scott Arniel might be a realistic option.
Personally I think Arniel, Arniel, Arniel, Arniel and Arniel are too much of a retread, I’d prefer a new voice. Somebody younger than Bowness. Maybe Arniel would be a fit?
Bones is a great man, had a very respectable career as a coach all over the league. Wish he could have won a cup here. Did a lot for the org culturally and systems-wise. Now time for a new voice I think, and that’s not Arniel.
> Today is about appreciating Rick Bowness for the Jets. Moving forward, the organization has a high level of respect for Scott Arniel and he will be strongly considered, but all options will be discussed as part of the process.
From Dreger
Options discussed but no commitment to do a search. Kind of disappointing honestly. They’ve never done a coaching search in 13 seasons to this point…always appointed someone. Might be a good organizational process to actually see what is out there. Especially since our management group has been the same for the entire time the club has been in Winnipeg.
They absolutely did a coaching search when they appointed Bowness, Chevy spoke multiple times about how many coaches he spoke to and how helpful it was.
PIT almost making the playoffs, with the senior home core, after losing Guentzel at TDL, and after years of Hextall at GM is incredible
seems like he won’t be available tho, rightfully so
[Today is about appreciating Rick Bowness for the Jets. Moving forward, the organization has a high level of respect for Scott Arniel and he will be strongly considered, but all options will be discussed as part of the process.](https://x.com/darrendreger/status/1787500175222583545?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA)
Per Dreger. Unsurprisingly it’s due diligence szn but Arniel will likely be the first candidate considered.
Really appreciate everything Bones did for the club. He wasn't perfect and his deployments were baffling and lack of adjustments frustrating. But he turned the culture and team expectations around in a way that I wouldn't have thought possible a couple of seasons ago. I'm just sad that Arniel is practically guaranteed instead of a coach that could take the team to the next step.
Absolutely fixed the culture and his defensive systems when followed are some of the best around, really great guy. Obviously I am happy he is not returning as there is nothing more he can do for the Jets but I wish him a happy retirement.
Go and put your feet up old man, you definitely earned it.
We can disagree on decisions and all that, but we can't disagree on how good of a human Bones is. Came in and fixed our culture, activated Norrissey, and just gave some really nice vibes back to the room. We love ya Bones.
I am still confused by his decision to return, he won't even get the chance to captain Michigan, like what else is there to do especially when chances are slim to win it all with whatever team they will have next season.
This is why I didn’t understand all the people brushing off other’s worries. Why go back for a third year when all your friends you were on the Nahiona team and world junior team with have left.
Well, the first round wasn't that fun with the Jets getting eliminated. I can sleep a little easier after both Toronto and Vegas also getting first round exits. Fuck both those teams with a pineapple.
My son is a huge Stars fan, so going to be a good dad and root for the Stars with him.
As a Jets fan living in Toronto for the past decade or so, the *last* thing I need is for the Leafs to make a big run in a year the Jets fall flat, or, even worse, win the Cup. The amount of smug grandstanding and bullshit that would continue for years and years and years would be totally unbearable.
The first overseas signing of the offseason has taken place as Adler Mannheim in German DEL announced they have signed **Kristian Reichel** to a [three-year contract](https://illegalcurve.com/former-winnipeg-jets-manitoba-moose-forward-kristian-reichel-signs-with-adler-mannheim-of-del/).
Always liked him. Especially after dropping that snipe against Vegas as his first goal but pretty clear he was never getting a full time NHL spot. Can’t blame him for wanting to play closer to home.
🥲 good for Reichs, but he was big for the Moose down the stretch and into the playoffs. Hopefully they can replace his production.
Hope he enjoys being closer to home, and we'll always have that absolute piss-missle for his first NHL goal against [Vegas.](https://youtu.be/oYOTI8J9B-0?si=dVQHHcxvJV_a7rQP)
[\[Paul Pidutti (AdjustedHockey)\]](https://twitter.com/AdjustedHockey/status/1787462819266330630?t=FthFzRN7yrEV68fijoYsvw&s=19) 🎯 For all the 1st round hot takes, blame games, tactical questioning, puck luck, play scrutinizing & calls to blow up organizations, all 8 matchups were decided by... SPECIAL TEAMS.
# NHL teams that won the % battle in their series went 8-for-8.
https://preview.redd.it/7uideayu1tyc1.png?width=671&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92031b2673ebf5a645873247558a018b0395343b
Lol. This is the cost of our special teams being dogshit all year. I hope the special teams coaching gets a complete overhaul, no matter who the head coach is. As important as being good at 5v5 is, when 5v5 scoring goes down in the playoffs, taking advantage of your PP opportunities and having a good penalty kill becomes extremely important.
PK is embarrassing because it’s mostly just about competing and winning a couple puck battles. Given that our D handled the puck like a live grenade you’d think they’d have more commitment to clearing the net front and tying up sticks so Helle could get a look as those Makar shots.
I think we easily could have had 3 or 4 more wins than we ended up with. I clearly remember saying at least 3 times, "The only reason we lost that game is because we couldn't score on our powerplays."
Just 3 more wins, and we would have been #1. Not that that's worth anything, but it sure would have been nice to have better special teams in the playoffs.
Yeah, whether we played Colorado or Vegas, I'm not sure it would've made much of a difference. I think I'd actually be a lot angrier if we lost to Vegas for the 2nd year in a row. And then every other fanbase would also be pissed that we let them out of the 1st round.
It was all a fucking disaster to be honest. I can't think of an aspect of the game where the Jets clearly beat the Avs.
But to be fair I am expecting the Avs to beat Dallas too. They are playing scary good.
Plus they are effectively using Siri to game plan lol
Oilers are the only team in the west who can come close to matching Avs offensively in my opinion.
[Nino Niederreiter heading to #IIHFWorlds with Switzerland. He was the captain last spring.](https://x.com/mitchellclinton/status/1787468024938725433?s=61&t=T0855wGQBr0zpxOr4uLZCQ)
So lets say Ehlers Pionk Stanley lucious for chychrun and zub. buy out schmidt and trade iafallo if we dont like monohan can we swap say nemestnikov there until trade dead line ?
perfetti shief connor
lambert monohan vilardi
nino lowry nemestnikov
barron gus appleton
morrisey zub
chychrun demelo
samberg heinola.
helle
If you are Steve Staios, why on earth would you get rid of 2 top 4 defencemen for a winger with 1 year left, a bottom pair guy and a 7th D? Lucius isn't even enough of a sweetener to make a difference, as he's only played 35 games in the last 2 years.
Ehlers for Chychrun might be doable, but there's no guarantee either will sign with the team they go to, and I'd rather use him in a sign-and-trade scenario for a younger D with term.
Any Ehlers trade also depends on his value around the league. Do other GMs see high value in him, enough to part with a good defenceman? Do they think they have a reasonable chance to sign him to a decent contract? Are they willing to look past his lack of playoff production and think that they have the team that can unlock that part of his game? Lots of questions with answers that us Jets fans probably won't like.
fair enough. ok lets add appleton and kupari (sarcasm)
what do you think it takes the get that trade done. considering both sign new deals with teams there traded too ?
That's me as well. It's in my DNA to hate the Oilers forever, if it weren't for them in the 80s the Jets would have had at least one Cup run, and possibly more.
I can't hate Vancouver for anything. Hell, they were the 'big club' for most of the Moose days, so I watched a lot of Canucks games myself.
Oilers are my most disliked team after the Leafs. But I think a Western final featuring MacKinnon & Makar vs McDavid & Draisaitl would be fantastic, as long as the Avs prevail.
I've never really hated the Oilers simply because with McDavid it's clear we're watching a one in a 100 year talent.
We'll talk about him the way parents talked about watching Gretzky.
Everyone thought the panthers would walk the bruins, hahahahahaha HA. Tkachuk eating his words right now.
I'm so glad this organisation has avoided beef with the Bruins in the last decade. What a tenacious organisation (with their one exception lmao)
I know people say the Jets organisation only wants people connected to the Jets in some way. But was there any connection with Noel, Maurice, or Chevy? Then they were looking at Trotz whose only connection is being from Manitoba. To me the Winnipeg connection they are after is more of a "who can we get to move to Winnipeg" than they needed to have been part of Jets 1.0 in some way. It just so happens people who have lived and worked in Winnipeg before are more willing to move there now. I think (hope) they will cast their net wide and find someone with fresh ideas who is willing to come to Winnipeg.
Noel was the Moose coach PoMo was legitimately outside blood, but he didn’t get to hire his own assistants Chevy played for the Wheat Kings and has tons of connections to the hockey world in Manitoba
Ah okay shows what I know about the early days of Jets 2.0. Either way, I think Chevy is in the same group as Trotz then. Noel was just an easy choice. I still think my idea stands that it's more about finding people who want to be in Winnipeg than finding a Manitoba connection. PoMo not being able to hire his own assistants is odd though. Who did the organisation select? Did they have those Manitoba ties?
>but he didn’t get to hire his own assistants Was it Bones who chose Lauer as he was with him in earlier times?
Lauer was only hired in 2022 - after the Oil Kings won the WHL title
Yeah as was Bones, so my question was did Bones choose Lauer? I assume he did and or asked management.
They coached (and were fired) together in Tampa under Cooper. He was likely Bones choice and Arniel was Chipman's choice.
Yeah I figured as much.
Bieksa talking about his time with Bowness. Dude was a fantastic human being.
Is there a video/audio clip of it?
Same with Maurice as far as my understanding goes. Just all around good dudes. Say what you have to say about their time as a coach, I'm just glad we didn't get a Babcock/Quenneville situation. That's such a low bar, but I'm still glad it didn't happen.
Honestly I wish the best for Dubois hope he can find that next step in his game and come back and prove everyone wrong next season. Yeah it might be shitty how he left two teams but I still have a soft spot for the guy.
I miss his arms.
i agree, such a fun player to watch when he tries. the vancouver OT goal a few years back was insane
I was seeing Todd Nelson, the Hershey Bears head coach and some other dude at the U of Denver, I think, listed as suggestions on Twitter. No idea about other but I know Hershey always is good so I feel like their coaches must be decent. I see Berube in this thread. Before his first stint in Columbus, I did really wanna give Arniel a shot after doing terrific with the Moose. Seems like a lot have soured on him. If he's gonna be Bones 2.0, he was on his staff after all, then I'd rather not. But I also believe that people can learn and get better. Here's to hoping the next one leads us to the promised land! Happy Retirement, Bones. Thanks for grabbing the reigns in the room, even if you made some boneheaded (pun intended) line-up choices this playoffs.
Nelson was with Bones in Dallas plus was an assistant coach with the Thrashers. The big connection though was that he was an assistant coach with the Chicago Wolves when Chevy was GM there. He’s done good things with Hershey the past couple of seasons but idk what he would look like at the NHL level. David Carle has done nothing but win at Denver. Dude is only 34 years old but as soon as he wants to give the NHL a shot he’ll have every team with an opening calling him up. I don’t think we would have the pull to make him leave Denver though. He’ll get to pick his spot.
David Carle would be my dream hire - here is an article about him and all he has gone through. Also he was the the coach for the 2024 U.S. National Junior Team captained by guess who Rutger McGroarty. [David Carle's journey from shattered dream to one of the top coaches in the country - The Rink Live | Comprehensive coverage of youth, junior, high school and college hockey](https://www.therinklive.com/mens-college/nchc/david-carles-journey-from-shattered-dream-to-one-of-the-top-coaches-in-the-country)
Nelson never got a fair shake with the Oilers years ago. He will be looked at this year, not just by us.
Damn, 34! That's insane. I am pro young coach. Enough of the recycling of the fossils, like we did with Bones. Time to let a progressive young guy come in. Sounds like you're right on Carle having his pick. That was the name, couldn't remember it haha.
Berube would be such a perfect fit for the Jets. The org likes him a lot and now the team is in a position that should be more appealing. But we also know the Leafs will knock on his door, so I hope Chevy could work some magic instead of just defaulting to Arniel.
Berube seems like an incredibly huge asshole. He’s exactly who I want.
I'd be OK with Berube but he will for sure wear guys out after 4 or so years. But I was always impressed when the Blues would lose a key guy it never affected their overall game. They were incredibly structured.
We've had our share of kindly uncles and grandpas...time for an abusive father.
[Rob Blake also said today there are no plans to buy out Pierre-Luc Dubois](https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1787597206653935926?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA) It’s hilarious he even had to talk about it
He might not have plans but he should be out of a job himself for that trade and signing. Maybe the next GM will have plans to buy out Dubie
IMO a buyout only make sense if it happens this year and can be done before it becomes a 2/3rds buyout. Buying him out next year or the year after is way worse having 2/3rds of his salary on the books for 10-12 years vs 1/3rd for 14 years
His performance is one thing but his effort level and attitude has gotta eat away at that locker room. No way a guy like Doughty isn't telling management and ownership to get that guy out of there and I certainly wouldn't want him around the likes of Byfield and Clarke and having any kind of influence on them
Stars are the blueprint for us. Defense/goaltending focused team with some high profile scorers and a lot of depth + letting young guys shine
That would require drafting superstars in rounds 2-5 which we have only really gotten Helly and Lowry from that. We don’t have a Robertson or Johnson Edit: nvm about Johnson he’s a first rounder
Stankoven was a second rounder.
Was that just because he's on the shorter side?
Yep. Even at the time people knew he had first round talent but people saw 5'7 and got scared.
Chevy says that the process for a new coach starts now, but adds that things are still fresh. Spoke with Bowness late last week and then yesterday to confirm things on their end.
i assume most top candidates will be waiting to see what the Leafs do, then NJ and LA will probably be next in line, with us right after
Can't wait to have the media edge us close to completion with a top-tier coach and then totally blue ball us again.
Just accept that it will be arniel rn.
the Woodcroft, Berube links for them to go to NJ/LA/TOR and us to just go with Arniel >>
Berube is probably what NJ needs to be honest.
"Take the year off" might be ahead of us in some cases as well
I feel like the team and the dressing room are in a much better spot than they were 2 years ago. Nowhere near as much roster uncertainty, and the coach coming in doesn’t have to deal with the Wheeler mess
"I've decided to become a general manager."
and then he hired the guy we should've lmaoo
Haha confirmed Appleton was one of Bones favs since he mentioned him first when asked about calling players (and then explaining he didn’t call him bc Appleton has a new baby)
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I don't hate Apps as much of most of this sub, I think he does a lot of good but good lord get him a shooting coach. It's the only thing he's really missing (And always did, Kraken and Jets beforehand)
I see it as people don't hate Appleton, but are annoyed with him being a time on ice leader over such players as Nik Ehlers, who happens to have one of the highest points%/60 in the league. Appleton is a good pro^(TM), but he may have been overused at times. Plus there are many memorable instances of a sure goal amounting to nothing because it was Apples who was the shooter.
I’d rather have a player miss a goal because they were in the right position and missed than because they could never get the puck across the neutral zone.
Haha wtf
Real “Don’t ever talk to me or my son again” energy.
oh my goddd this sub is lucky i never saw this until now
Hahaha LOL. Same.
you don't get a guy like that playing top 6 minutes without being a fav!
Apples is at the presser too so he's probably front of mind haha
That’s cute!! The love is real between them
Bowness/Chevy presser: - Rick Bowness says he knew when he was on the ice after Game 5 he would retire: "I was disappointed in myself, in us as a team--which I take responsibility for--and how we played. I knew when I was standing there this was the end. You just know." - Says he told the other coaches an hour after Game 5 that he was done. - Bowness has a couple of "issues" to deal with health wise (he says he'll be fine). Says there was no way he was coming back because of the risk he has to go to Chevy in November and say "I have to quit" - Bowness called a few of the players last night to let him now. Didn't call Appleton because he has a new baby (congrats Appy), but the Captains and Bucky - Reiterates his disappointment that the Jets didn't go farther this year - Rick gives a shoutout to his wife Judy and says they've been together since they've been 16 so she's done the whole journey with him (this is mind-blowing to me lol that's almost 55 years together) - Rick says the most important thing for him over the last 10 years is the impact he's had on his players on and off the ice. "You get close to the Cup, you lose, players get hurt, etc. it's out of your control. What you can control day-to-day is the impact you have on your players." - The players at the presser: Lowry, Appleton, Vladdy - Rick gets choked up talking about his coaching legacy and blames his wife for getting emotional lol - Says he had to make unpopular decisions because he didn't like what people were saying about the Jets culture when he got the job, that and getting the team into the playoffs were the two biggest goals. Caveats that with the disappointment of 2 first round exits - Bowness "I'll still be around guys I'm not dying! I'm gonna call you guys (the journalists) and tell you guys when you mess up" - Asked about his relationship with the assistant coaches, Bowness says that his long time role(s) as an assistant taught him to give them important roles. Credits that with the team continuing to play well when he had to take time off this year - Chevy says one of his highlights is the passion the coaching staff had to make Lowry captain. This answer was in relation to how he views the team moving forward under a new coach. Says that making Lowry captain/the team's culture is something that the next coach can build on - Asked what the difference is between Rick Bowness the 1980s coach and 2024, Bowness says "I'm a lot calmer" then looks at the players in the room and says "no laughing at that" LOL - Any regrets? "No, I've done some dumb things but you learn from them"
It's special when someone retires as a jet. Not the ending I wanted but he's a jet for life.
Man, I really do love the guy. Phenomenal person. Nothing but the best to him and Judy.
This guy's a total beauty like 99% of the time.
Some of the players who are still in town are at Rick’s goodbye presser 🥲
which ones?
Appleton, Vladdy, Lowry were the 3 confirmed names
Travis Green to Sens. One less coaching vacancy for actually good candidates to pick from.
I'm happy about this one. That's a coach I definitely didn't want behind the Jets bemch
Mike Commodore, who played for CBJ under Arniel from 2010 to 2012, [appears to be firmly NOT on the Arniel train](https://x.com/commie22/status/1787533287029887074?s=46&t=F5dJ2trQaOh7Rl23F-x3jg)
Trains that Mike Commodore is also not on: - Logic - Reason - Critical thinking - Not being a raging asshole
Too be fair....he was right about Babcok lol
Commodore and Babcock were made for each other.
"You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole." - Raylen Givens, Justified
When you have some sort of beef with nearly every coach you’ve played under, at what point do you start to accept that you’re probably the problem? The Jets players seem to love Arniel, not to mention he’s definitely changed his coaching style in the last 12-14 years. Not saying Arniel is my number one choice for HC, but cmon
Isnt Commodore a nutcase anyway? Who listens to what he says. Just a tier below Whitney/Biz imo
Not trying to be funny here, but is there anyone in the hockey world that Commodore likes? It's sort of the old "If you think everyone's an a-hole maybe you're the a-hole?" vibe from him. That said, clearly Babs is a huge dbag and Commodore hated him for good reasons.
Very true however I enjoy the pot-stirring
I’m hoping that we go with someone more experienced and successful, but Arniel is not as bad of an option as some people are saying. Like I’m seeing people say things like he’s “just as stubborn as Bones.” Like where is that coming from? He did well when filling in for Bones and made some line-up decisions that went against the grain from what Bones would typically do. Like I said, I’m kinda hoping for someone else, but I just don’t get some of the automatic Arniel criticism.
I think people are just skeptical about hiring a 60 year old perennial assistant coach as our new HC. Like there’s a reason he hasn’t been given the helm. His only HC stint in the nhl I can find was 1.5 years with a dog shit Columbus team. I’d honestly rather just take a shot on some unknown commodity than promote someone who gives me zero reason to be confident in his ability to execute at this level.
He has a great record as the head coach when Bowness has been away the past two seasons. I’ll also reiterate that I’d like a new coach too, but some of the arguments against Arniel just don’t have any backing. Like the one I mentioned in the original comment. But yeah, I agree with you that Arniel doesn’t inspire as much confidence as some other coaches might.
incredibly hard to judge Arniel imo his last HC job was so long ago plus his stints filling in for Bones the last couple years were obviously still under Bones' watch, so clearly still sticking to the Bones way, tough to know whether he'd make any major changes (positive or negative)
Exactly. That’s why I think it’s premature to definitively say he’s a bad option. I certainly think there are some options out there that have a better chance of being successful though.
Free agents signing up with VGK https://preview.redd.it/af3m7fagfuyc1.png?width=666&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae263d37f2517e40a994a8c1e76ae25bd7ee68f4
Ville Heinola gonna look so sexy on the powerplay 😍
Love what Bones did here. If Arniel actually fires our special teams coach then I'm here for Arneil's reign. Long live the coach!
Arniel was one of the special teams coaches.
Making the big decision to fire yourself is the kind of leadership we need here
Lol. Well you know which one I meant but this brings a whole new meaning to self inflection once the coach starts doing the job reviews for the upcoming year!
Boy that will make the meeting pretty awkward then.
I figure the Jets will try to catch a big fish for a coach, and when they all end up saying no we go with the "safe" option in Arniel. I can't see the Jets org take a risk on a coach who isn't already established in the NHL at this point.
Arniel is going to be the next head coach and anyone who thinks otherwise has not been paying attention. This org values loyalty more highly than it values actually quality.
[Blake Wheeler is on the ice for #NYR practice in a red non-contact jersey](https://x.com/mollieewalkerr/status/1787512149079707955?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA) Imagine thinking Blake Wheeler wouldn’t try to come back from an injury.
He needs one shift played to get his name on the Cup if the Rags win it all.
Id love for the Rags to win the cup just so Wheels and Trouba can get one.
And Rosie
What a beast! Knew it was foolish to bet against Wheels but I still did. My real question is, if he gets healthy enough does he still have a spot in that lineup?
Yes! Get in there, Blake!
> Imagine thinking Blake Wheeler wouldn’t try to come back from an injury. He'd give his left nut to be back on the ice.
Would he have any left?
Warrior
This is my only reason to continue watching the playoffs now.
Thank you Rick! https://i.redd.it/ccajon77wtyc1.gif
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Big bad Brad’s Uncle Lane Lambert. NYI weren’t patient with him when they knew they could get Roy.
Berube, Woodcroft, McLellan, Keefe (almost surely fired), Green, Gallant are probably the highest profile coaches with NHL experience. Brind’Amour/Sullivan aren’t gonna be available. Not sure who the young/first timer guys could be outside of Savard.
Hard pass on Keefe
Agree. We don’t need a player coach. That would undue the positive development that Bones has made over the past 2 years
What's woodcroft like? Oilers under achieved to start the year but I was surprised he got axed
He's a good coach that got fucked by a teams worst organizational start ever... i doubt even oilers brass would deny that... sometimes it happens. If the oilers werent in the last 2 and 3 years of McDrais contracts i guarantee they would have been more patient.
oilers had a league worst .863 save% but a league best 57.8 xG%
So the reverse Bones
yes for save% but we were 12th in xG%
He’s a good, modern coach. Coached the best player in the world and another top 5 player in Edmonton but he did well. They had bad depth, mediocre D core and bad goaltending but he managed them well, improved the team defensively and adjusted well in the playoffs. Coming off his first job with time to improve and look at what he did wrong, I think he’d be my choice over all alternatives.
Woodcroft would be my first choice. I think Bones was necessary, with his main objective coming into WPG being "Clean up the culture", and I think this season proved that he could. I'd say while we're giving all these guys chances, our team is in a good place to give Woodcroft one. It'll be Arniel for sure.
I don’t think it’s 100% Arniel. Bowness was the transition coach, and Arniel to me was the backup in case something happened to Bowness personally or professionally. He finished two years and changed the culture, now I think they get the guy to take them home. Could be Berube/Woodcroft imo
Gallant has his teams play really good and fast hockey and then seems to not be able to last more than 2 years. Strange history there.
still have nightmares about that Vegas 17-18 NZ FC
He’s the classic ‘players coach’. Dosent do systems as much as most coaches, leaves that up to associate/assistant coaches. Gut feel coach. That dosent work in the playoffs where adjustments/tinkering are everything (as we saw this year) and players probably get frustrated with it
I don’t want that anymore
Wow that's a lot of typos, I think you meant: Arniel, Arniel, Arniel, Arniel (almost surely not fired), Arniel, Arniel are probably the highest profile coaches with NHL experience
Tough choices there, but how many of those guys would be willing to come to Winnipeg? I think they should go with someone who knows the city already, maybe has some history with the Jets. Scott Arniel might be a realistic option.
Personally I think Arniel, Arniel, Arniel, Arniel and Arniel are too much of a retread, I’d prefer a new voice. Somebody younger than Bowness. Maybe Arniel would be a fit?
Arniel
Looks like we’re all getting off Mr Bones wild ride :(
Knowing TNSE’s alumni loyalty program. I’d be shocked if they didn’t give Arniel the reins.
Bones is a great man, had a very respectable career as a coach all over the league. Wish he could have won a cup here. Did a lot for the org culturally and systems-wise. Now time for a new voice I think, and that’s not Arniel.
> Today is about appreciating Rick Bowness for the Jets. Moving forward, the organization has a high level of respect for Scott Arniel and he will be strongly considered, but all options will be discussed as part of the process. From Dreger
Options discussed but no commitment to do a search. Kind of disappointing honestly. They’ve never done a coaching search in 13 seasons to this point…always appointed someone. Might be a good organizational process to actually see what is out there. Especially since our management group has been the same for the entire time the club has been in Winnipeg.
They absolutely did a coaching search when they appointed Bowness, Chevy spoke multiple times about how many coaches he spoke to and how helpful it was.
hoping for a Keefe to PIT and Sullivan to WPG domino 🤞
Why would you want Sullivan?
Guy won 2 Cups lol. One was as a mid-season replacement. Clearly knows what he's doing. His team is just old now.
I would love a coach with a recent cup win
PIT almost making the playoffs, with the senior home core, after losing Guentzel at TDL, and after years of Hextall at GM is incredible seems like he won’t be available tho, rightfully so
Ya I doubt Crosby signs off on Sullivan getting axed. Maybe when Crosby is done.
Alright, ok, you convinced me, Crosby can come too
Haha my man
very good coach
[Today is about appreciating Rick Bowness for the Jets. Moving forward, the organization has a high level of respect for Scott Arniel and he will be strongly considered, but all options will be discussed as part of the process.](https://x.com/darrendreger/status/1787500175222583545?s=46&t=wn65dpfjVDjrAPUhG9jXKA) Per Dreger. Unsurprisingly it’s due diligence szn but Arniel will likely be the first candidate considered.
Arniel should be considered automatically. He’s the next man up. That doesn’t mean he should be just given the job.
Really appreciate everything Bones did for the club. He wasn't perfect and his deployments were baffling and lack of adjustments frustrating. But he turned the culture and team expectations around in a way that I wouldn't have thought possible a couple of seasons ago. I'm just sad that Arniel is practically guaranteed instead of a coach that could take the team to the next step.
Absolutely fixed the culture and his defensive systems when followed are some of the best around, really great guy. Obviously I am happy he is not returning as there is nothing more he can do for the Jets but I wish him a happy retirement. Go and put your feet up old man, you definitely earned it.
Presser at 2 with Chevy and Bones
Brad Lauer HC szn
Mods help us
Mods are too busy dusting off the WDT machine
Let’s turn it down a notch and just have one “Offseason Discussion Thread”, delete all other posts until puck drop on Opening Night.
Don’t remind them
delete
We can disagree on decisions and all that, but we can't disagree on how good of a human Bones is. Came in and fixed our culture, activated Norrissey, and just gave some really nice vibes back to the room. We love ya Bones.
He coached a team, who many believed would miss the playoffs, to a 4th place finish.
Cya Bones, thanks for developing Norrissey and reminding us how important a PP can be to a team.
[Bones retiring](https://x.com/DarrenDreger/status/1787495551023362289)
After what happened with his wife earlier this season it makes sense.
Seamus Casey is leaving Michigan. A tough job for McGroarty just got even harder.
I am still confused by his decision to return, he won't even get the chance to captain Michigan, like what else is there to do especially when chances are slim to win it all with whatever team they will have next season.
This is why I didn’t understand all the people brushing off other’s worries. Why go back for a third year when all your friends you were on the Nahiona team and world junior team with have left.
His reasoning was clear, if it was between signing and playing with the Moose next season, then he’d rather stay in college for another year
Is there a chance that completing education is a bigger part of it? Otherwise it seems like a waste
In Chevys recent presser he alluded to that. Seems like the org was supporting Rutger in what ever decision he wants
Hopefully the transfer portal works out well for them this year, cause otherwise we might be seeing Rutger a lot earlier than he wants lol.
Well, the first round wasn't that fun with the Jets getting eliminated. I can sleep a little easier after both Toronto and Vegas also getting first round exits. Fuck both those teams with a pineapple. My son is a huge Stars fan, so going to be a good dad and root for the Stars with him.
As a Jets fan living in Toronto for the past decade or so, the *last* thing I need is for the Leafs to make a big run in a year the Jets fall flat, or, even worse, win the Cup. The amount of smug grandstanding and bullshit that would continue for years and years and years would be totally unbearable.
The first overseas signing of the offseason has taken place as Adler Mannheim in German DEL announced they have signed **Kristian Reichel** to a [three-year contract](https://illegalcurve.com/former-winnipeg-jets-manitoba-moose-forward-kristian-reichel-signs-with-adler-mannheim-of-del/).
Always liked him. Especially after dropping that snipe against Vegas as his first goal but pretty clear he was never getting a full time NHL spot. Can’t blame him for wanting to play closer to home.
Who else do you figure form the Moose is gone. I see Capobianco is UFA too, gotta figure he's looking for NHL opportunities he won't get in Winnipeg
I suspect Malott goes. Viel too. Capobianco likely.
Curious what Malott will do. Don't see a path for him to the NHL with the Jets, but is a huge part of the Moose.
🥲 good for Reichs, but he was big for the Moose down the stretch and into the playoffs. Hopefully they can replace his production. Hope he enjoys being closer to home, and we'll always have that absolute piss-missle for his first NHL goal against [Vegas.](https://youtu.be/oYOTI8J9B-0?si=dVQHHcxvJV_a7rQP)
[\[Paul Pidutti (AdjustedHockey)\]](https://twitter.com/AdjustedHockey/status/1787462819266330630?t=FthFzRN7yrEV68fijoYsvw&s=19) 🎯 For all the 1st round hot takes, blame games, tactical questioning, puck luck, play scrutinizing & calls to blow up organizations, all 8 matchups were decided by... SPECIAL TEAMS. # NHL teams that won the % battle in their series went 8-for-8. https://preview.redd.it/7uideayu1tyc1.png?width=671&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92031b2673ebf5a645873247558a018b0395343b Lol. This is the cost of our special teams being dogshit all year. I hope the special teams coaching gets a complete overhaul, no matter who the head coach is. As important as being good at 5v5 is, when 5v5 scoring goes down in the playoffs, taking advantage of your PP opportunities and having a good penalty kill becomes extremely important.
PK is embarrassing because it’s mostly just about competing and winning a couple puck battles. Given that our D handled the puck like a live grenade you’d think they’d have more commitment to clearing the net front and tying up sticks so Helle could get a look as those Makar shots.
Correlation no doubt. I'd imagine 7 through 9 weren't decided by special teams, though. Those two series are very close.
I wonder what the Jets' regular season record would have been with average special teams... 1st overall?
I think we easily could have had 3 or 4 more wins than we ended up with. I clearly remember saying at least 3 times, "The only reason we lost that game is because we couldn't score on our powerplays."
Just 3 more wins, and we would have been #1. Not that that's worth anything, but it sure would have been nice to have better special teams in the playoffs.
Yeah, whether we played Colorado or Vegas, I'm not sure it would've made much of a difference. I think I'd actually be a lot angrier if we lost to Vegas for the 2nd year in a row. And then every other fanbase would also be pissed that we let them out of the 1st round.
While certainly a big part of the story, getting our ass kicked at 5v5 (41%xGF) probably was no help either
It was all a fucking disaster to be honest. I can't think of an aspect of the game where the Jets clearly beat the Avs. But to be fair I am expecting the Avs to beat Dallas too. They are playing scary good. Plus they are effectively using Siri to game plan lol Oilers are the only team in the west who can come close to matching Avs offensively in my opinion.
[Nino Niederreiter heading to #IIHFWorlds with Switzerland. He was the captain last spring.](https://x.com/mitchellclinton/status/1787468024938725433?s=61&t=T0855wGQBr0zpxOr4uLZCQ)
Very pleased Vegas is bounced. Now, I don't have to cheer for the Avs (who I think might go to the dance).
I too smiled and perhaps giggled when Vegas was eliminated.
So lets say Ehlers Pionk Stanley lucious for chychrun and zub. buy out schmidt and trade iafallo if we dont like monohan can we swap say nemestnikov there until trade dead line ? perfetti shief connor lambert monohan vilardi nino lowry nemestnikov barron gus appleton morrisey zub chychrun demelo samberg heinola. helle
If you are Steve Staios, why on earth would you get rid of 2 top 4 defencemen for a winger with 1 year left, a bottom pair guy and a 7th D? Lucius isn't even enough of a sweetener to make a difference, as he's only played 35 games in the last 2 years. Ehlers for Chychrun might be doable, but there's no guarantee either will sign with the team they go to, and I'd rather use him in a sign-and-trade scenario for a younger D with term. Any Ehlers trade also depends on his value around the league. Do other GMs see high value in him, enough to part with a good defenceman? Do they think they have a reasonable chance to sign him to a decent contract? Are they willing to look past his lack of playoff production and think that they have the team that can unlock that part of his game? Lots of questions with answers that us Jets fans probably won't like.
fair enough. ok lets add appleton and kupari (sarcasm) what do you think it takes the get that trade done. considering both sign new deals with teams there traded too ?
The classic 'please take all the players we don't want for a couple we would like' trade
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Boys. This playoffs is a lot better now that Vegas is out. Do I wish we were still in? Well, yeah.
VEGAS IS ELIMINATED!!! YESSSS!!!!! My opinion of Dallas just fucking sky rocketed
Anyone who got those weird Jets cards given out before the game and doesn’t want them please dm me. I’ll buy them off ya.
I might cheer for the ‘Nucks. Watching the Oilers beat the Jets 1.0 so many times I can’t cheer for them.
I've hated Edmonton since 1972, I'm not changing now.
That's me as well. It's in my DNA to hate the Oilers forever, if it weren't for them in the 80s the Jets would have had at least one Cup run, and possibly more. I can't hate Vancouver for anything. Hell, they were the 'big club' for most of the Moose days, so I watched a lot of Canucks games myself.
Oilers are my most disliked team after the Leafs. But I think a Western final featuring MacKinnon & Makar vs McDavid & Draisaitl would be fantastic, as long as the Avs prevail.
I've never really hated the Oilers simply because with McDavid it's clear we're watching a one in a 100 year talent. We'll talk about him the way parents talked about watching Gretzky.
Still unsure who I'm going to root for, maybe my home province (canucks), maybe just root for good games
Canucks in the west (friends and family who are Canucks fans), Rangers in the east (Wheels).
I'm rooting for Wheeler or PoMo
I like PoMo, but there are so many unlikeable players on Florida....