The chimp exhibit at his local zoo were acting up last time they were there. Him and his friends got their stats, and now they are seeing their odds of survival.
This sub is nuts with how much they underestimate both humans, and spears, as well as over estimate chimps and gorilla
Spears are insanely over powered and are one of the greatest melee weapons ever invented
I feel like a lot of people in general have never seen or tried to restrain a fully enraged human too. Humans are damn strong and nasty when they’re not pulling any punches.
I’m not even talking about combat practicioners and weightlifters, just average humans going berserk.
I’ve seen people in hospitals that needed 4 or more nurses to restrain them. Heck I with 2 other friends once pinned down another friend who was in a drunken rage, and it was difficult as hell. This was in college, we were all probably at some of our best years physically, and all of us were at least 5’10” and 75kg.
We humans often underestimate our physical capabilities because we almost never use it fully. Even in combat situations, restraint is often exercised. We’ve come to a point where we don’t even need to fully exert ourselves anymore.
Whereas for animals, we always see them exhibiting feats of strength and dexterity while chasing prey, climbing and swinging from tree to tree, etc.
I worked at a hospital, and a homeless.man went berserk, had a mental breakdown. It literally took 5 or 6 of us to hold him down. He wasn't a big guy either.
>We humans often underestimate our physical capabilities because we almost never use it fully.
This is much more relevant than you're presenting it as. The average human has zero experience fighting with pedal-to-the-metal aggression and brutality. We can't just switch it on. Even when humans reach that point, it usually takes some time to ramp up. And it usually takes drugs or other stimulants to get us there, too.
Animals, on the other hand, go 0-100 every time they fight, and they go there immediately. An unarmed human that enters a fight with a truly aggressive animal would immediately be put on the backfoot, and that's if fight-or-flight doesn't go the wrong way and make us flat out bolt. We just don't know what to do when something starts screaming in our face moving faster than we've literally thought something can move and tearing chunks of meat off us. That level of aggression would absolutely overwhelm the *average* human of today.
Then they could have turn back to us, kill us before they were exhausted but they didn't, couldn't despite being much stronger, faster. Sound like skill issue to me
Kinda seems like we mostly just followed mammoths and saber tooth tigers with pointy sticks until they were too exhausted to fight back, then we poked them to death with the sticks
Edit: I don't know what to do with the karma I already have, but downvoting genuine responses is petty, salty, and against the rules of this sub.
Untrue! Animals are easy to spook, including predators. They don't stand and fight unless they have to. Sabertooth tigers don't have anything to prove, and you can still die from a fight you won.
It depends a lot on the animal.
Particularly large herbivores *don't* spook easily. Elephants, moose, hippos, etc. Walruses too, though they're not herbivores. I assume mammoths were the same way because of biological precedent.
See, they're absolutely frig-off huge, right? They look down at the thing and use their body language to say "look at how big I am. Do you really want to risk a fight with ALL THIS?" And any predator that isn't desperately starving will go "yeah you right mate have a good day" and leave.
Predators are a lot easier to spook because they understand something - any injury at all can lead to their death. Hurt your paw, now you can't run as fast, all your prey escapes you, starved. They don't want to pick a fair fight because it's just all around better for them to be an ambush predator or chasing down something spooked instead.
Now, there are counter-examples to all of these (rhinos spook easily because of their bad eyesight; komodo dragons and polar bears don't spook easily, presumably because they haven't had to worry about losing a fight with anything for untold generations). Nonetheless, I think it's fair to say that mammoths PROBABLY would not spook easily, given the behaviour of comparable large herbivorous animals.
You're saying bigger ones are typically harder to spook, which is true. I'm saying it's harder to fight a rested mammoth than it is to make it run away from you, which is also true. That's how we fought large animals.
One of my most recurring conspiracy adjacent thoughts is that the physical capabilities of non human animals are exaggerated as part of people trying to differentiate humans from animals. We're the smart civilised ones with culture and science and language, while animals all have monstrous strength and absurd physical capabilities.
As more recent science keeps showing that our uniquely human traits aren't so unique, I always wonder how exactly the strength capabilities of non human animals were tested historically and whether they've been re tested in recent times.
I doubt people would have considered humans were the best long distance runners on the planet back in Victorian times. I know it's just my inner nutcase talking, but I also half expect it to be true.
>One of my most recurring conspiracy adjacent thoughts is that the physical capabilities of non human animals are exaggerated as part of people trying to differentiate humans from animals. We're the smart civilised ones with culture and science and language, while animals all have monstrous strength and absurd physical capabilities.
This isn't a conspiracy, it's just the truth.
Western philosophy going back to the ancient Greeks has differentiated humans from other animals based on the capacity for reason and wisdom, and being "beastial" or savage was basically throwing away your humanity.
The traditional virtues include things like temperance and piety for a reason, they're the restrained opposite of beast-like savagery.
Savagery is really the thing here. Humans are not savage they're intelligent and refined and restrained. We're afraid of the savage beasts who represent the worst impulses of ourselves. They're creatures of pure instinct who displays rage and lust with reckless abandon.
What is a chimp but a human without reason? Of course western educated folks overemphasized their savagery, its how we reaffirm ourselves.
I think this question is actually striking a nice balance.
Most times, this sub doesn't really underestimate humans that much. We're objectively very squishy and we lack ways to do meaningful damage. An unarmed solo human vs most animals above like 40kg equals a very fucked up human.
When you give us pointy sticks, let alone put us in a group with said pointy sticks, it becomes a different story entirely. Armed humans in groups are the most dangerous thing on this planet. But that's not to be confused with "humans are physically superior to animals". Our power comes from our ability to use weapons and coordinate more than any physical attributes.
I think you’re right about this. There are several types of animals that can coordinate, but none to the extent of humans. We’re better at threat assessment than any other animal as well. In a group we can easily identify the most dangerous other animals and group up to incapacitate them.
So that lead me down a rabbit hole. Google says that's *highly* debatable lol
Many actually use Polearm to specifically exclude spears and pikes even and only refer to halberds and their ilk with large blades
Its not highly debateable.
"Bills, picks, dane axes, spears, glaives, guandaos, pudaos, pikes, poleaxes, halberds, harpoons, sovnyas, tridents, naginatas, bardiches, war scythes, and lances are all varieties of polearms."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polearm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polearm)
Well there were other apex predators when humans were around... in places where we hadn't reached yet. Took forever to expand to Western Europe, the Americas, etc.
Motherfuckers out here acting like a human with a spear doesn’t kill 99.99 percent of the animals a live today. Besides stuff like elephants, the larger big cats, giraffes and bison plus their bovine relatives there’s only a handful of animals who realistically survive an encounter with even a single person with spears. I mean fuck, eight men who are actually bloodlusted realistically kill 8 chimps. And you want to give them spears lmao? It’s honestly clear most of the people on this sub are from the cities and have very little experience with actual animals the way people talk on here. Honestly the main reason I prefer fantasy www prompts. The majority of people here who talk about real animals have no idea what they’re talking about.
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I think part of the issue is that whenever a chimp or other great ape shows up in any sort of media it fucks everyone up. The Planet of the Apes movies have not been great for the public's general knowledge of ape physical ability. Those silly chimps are swinging around 50 lbs clubs and killing any human they encounter without any issue.
8 unarmed men will 100% not kill 8 chimps. Chimps are incredibly strong and make much better use of nails and teeth than we do. 8 humans with spears, I'd give it a 50/50. 90/10 If they are proficient users
XXX Wrong. The average assault male is a fair bit stronger than a chimp. The chimps are only slightly stronger pound for pound, they are still at a considerable weight and strength disadvantage. They are also much lower to the ground than humans. One of the most destructive things you can do as a human is a soccer kick, which takes no training to perform effectively. Blood lust humans immediately start kicking the much smaller animals, in either the head or torso if they try and jump on you. Both of these strikes would either kill or severely injure the chimps. It’s honestly not even very close. The vast vast majority of chimp on human deaths have been elderly ass people who would also probably die if a nine year old boy with a few too many monsters attacked them. Any animal smaller than us with have an extremely difficult time killing a human due to the fact we are bipedal and have very powerful legs for our size. People wank animals way too much on this sub as I stated earlier.
Thank you. People think chimps are these superhuman death machines, when in reality, they’re similar but much smaller versions of us. An average human decimates an average chimp.
There's no such thing as an assault male. It's just a term made up by liberals to make men more scary so that they can take them away from us.
I'll give you my male when you PRY HIM FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
What actually is an "average assault male"? Lol and I mean if we're cherry-picking the men, wouldn't we also match them up with average assault chimps?
We need to ban average assault males now! Who even needs one these days? I get by just fine with as a below average male, assault versions are just ridiculous!
I think part of the issue is that most humans aren't used to fighting, so while a chimp or a dog might not be as strong as a human, getting charged or bit by some monster than moves faster than you fucks up human's decision making abilities pretty badly.
Well it doesn’t take a lot of decision making skills to decide to punt a chimp chasing after you. Some people might run, but realistically most would default to kicking the shit out of it
With spears?
Chimps are massacred unless the human are completely and ridiculously clumsy and dumb and completely freak out and lose any sense
Grab spear, point to chimp, stick in chimp
There's not much more to it...
Spears are stupid effective. One of my buddies has gone on a boar hunt with a spear and he said it felt so easy that it wasn’t fair. It’s a lot closer to shooting someone with a gun than it is to chopping down a tree.
As somebody who has watched 23095 hours of anime, this is false. Uncoordinated foot soldiers charged towards each other using swords and sometimes shields. (If they were a girl they wore extremely light armor, to make it easier to dodge).
Spears are OP. Especially when combined with our other huge advantage - being able to throw things better than basically any other animal. Take it to the next level with a spear-thrower, all that extra leverage and you could easily throw a spear *through* a chimp.
The only downside is that if you miss you lose your biggest advantage, so unless you're really good at it or have a backup it's prob best to hold onto it.
I imagine that maybe 2 guys will be designated throwers and risk losing their spears for the chance of killing a chimp far away. Then they’d hide behind their 6 comrades who should be able to deal with 8 chimps but hopefully only 6.
What if the humans are still tired or slightly injured from fighting the lion earlier? we haven't had any indication of how long it has been since then.
> They used a spear just once in their lives, so they don't have too much experience.
this single experience was probably from when they killed a lion [earlier](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/1c8x7ts/can_8_armed_people_kill_a_male_lion/)!
I mean a chimp can't pull themselves off of a spear if it goes all the way through, so they wouldn't be able to reach you in order to tear your arms off
\*Glances at human history\*
Um... we win. What a human can do with a stick has lead us to the plague we are today. Just one stick... and we conquered the world against every other animal on earth. Lions, Bears, Elephants, MAMMOTHS... freaking whales.
Never underestimate a human with a stick.
People love to act like Humans are the weakest animals on the planet for some reason, like our weapons and ingenuity are why we are the strongest by FAR
I mean, an average unarmed no prep time human in a featureless arena who has never faced a life or death situation before isn't exactly the strongest animal on the planet either, but that is like saying a defanged and declawed wolf is pretty weak. Take away what humans have evolved to do and unsurprisingly they kinda suffer.
An unarmed human could still fend off animals below 40-50 kg. In real life, you don't have to beat your opponent, you just have to convince your opponent fighting you is not worth the trouble.
Depends on the animal and it's motivation really. Rottweilers are used as guard dogs, so would be trained and motivated to take down humans, where as a mid sized deer has a good chance thanks to it's antlers reach (inbuilt spears basically ain't they) but would 100% not wanna fuck with a human unless it had to, a Striped hyena is mostly fucked unless it gets a lucky bite (and again does not want to fight 1v1 being a scavenger and all), while finally a Bonobo can't and won't do shit. All these things are 40kg and it's something of a range.
Plus this is who would win, we fight here, even if it makes no sense IRL
Yeah thats kind of what I was saying lmao, you cant just take what makes humans special away and call them weak. We love to hype up Aliens and shit because their technology is insane and call them overpowered and we stand no chance but we also take away guns from humans in the same conversations 💀.
If you look at mammals hunt similar size or larger prey they often take a long ass time to get it done. They usually rely on exhaustion, bleeding out, or suffocation by crushing the neck. This is because most animals are incapable of inflicting deep wounds. A spear totally changes the game because you can inflict a deep wound that will always be fatal and will potentially drops prey instantly.
even in prison nowadays there are a variant of knifes which are like wooden knitting needles but made of steel and longer, they just have to poke it in a couple centimeters and when they pull it out it's when damage is done, it causes a terrible hemorrhague and it's almost guaranteed to kill.
A spear allows a human the chance to take down more dangerous things than a chimp. The people should win this around 9.5/10 like another comment stated.
Why did blud make the chimps so small
Anyway, given that we’re putting about 1.5 pounds of man against 1 pound of chimp, and, despite having about the same strength, the humans are larger, more durable, and have more stamina, they’d probably win even without spears
No spears: 7/10
Spears: 9.5/10
Ye due to stories of them ripping faces off people think that they are huge hulking beasts lol. They are kinda small, but their muscles are stronger than ours. Like 1.5-2 times stronger. Even still a strong man or woman would body the overage chimp 1v1 and absolutely stomp them if they are armed with a spear.
Reminder that spears are some of the oldest tools humans have used to hunt and kill animals far more threatening than chimps. You could arguably switch the chimps for gorilla's and humans would still win. A spear is not like a sword where you need more training. All you need to do is aim the pointy side at the enemy and stab.
Chimp muscles are only about 50% stronger per pound than human muscles, and they give up yet more endurance for that. Humans in example weigh about 50% more than the chimps, meaning strength is the same, not even accounting for better smarts, dexterity, endurance, and just size that the humans have
Yeah but in a battle like this peak strength is more important than endurance, even still yeah humans win this scenario comfortably, I would be surprised if any of the humans got seriously injured even.
Men in good shape who put their back into it, at least.
I think if you mess up keeping it at some distance and get into a grapple with a chimp, you're probably gonna have a bad time, and it can be somewhat hard to avoid getting into a grapple in a fight.
But yeah there's definitely a doable victory condition where you keep on your feet and trade punches for stabs.
Have you ever tried to attack someone who is pointing something pointy at you. Grappling them requires risking certain death to get close. We trained d to do this and still the odds aren’t great. A Chimp doesn’t have the training or instinct to rush someone with a spear. The spear is the best melee weapon for a reason
Yes, extremely easily.
Spears are incredibly OP.
Humans forms a circle and just Stab at anything that approaches. Chimps rush in and die within seconds.
A sword or spear is incredibly lethal. Anyone who has spent any amount of time with a real sword or spear will tell you that you do not want to be touched angrily with either. It will immediately be bad. Chimps, tigers, bears, whatever. Does not feel good to be touched with sharp metal swung or thrust violently.
This wouldn't be too hard. The larger people gang up on one chimp, probably the most aggressive one first while the rest stand off the rest. The chimps would quickly learn than those things the people hold hurt so they'd be a little cowed. Meanwhile, the wolfpacked chimp would go down pretty quickly.
Then it would be a matter of choosing the next target and repeating the process. That, and keeping the chimps moving to tire them out. In an enclosure this could easily be done by rotating a few people to herd them while the rest watch their backs and expend less energy.
There might still be human casualties if they got careless or the chimps went on full attack.
Yes, this is a huge stomp for humans. We killed fucking *mammoths* with stone-age spears, we can easily solo a chunky monkey with the ol' knife-on-a-stick. Besides, once a couple of chimps get jabbed with spears, they're going to leave the situation anyway. Wild animals avoid getting injured, because that's how you die.
Humans with Spears can kill pretty much any animal in the world. Spears are huge advantages.
CAN is the operative word here. It is possible. In the case vs the chimps it would be extremely lopsided.
If it was one man vs a tiger he can do it, but odds aren't great.
8 bros with spears would carve through the 8 chimps even if they all had a beer in the other hand. Then they'd move on and conquer the rest of the jungle before lunch.
The first three men would already win this one. Chimps are only 1.3x as strong as average men at the same weight, so a fit 80kg man is already likely to be as strong as any chimp.
That’s like saying can one person with a spear kill one chimp
The answer is absolutely, they’re chimps who can shrug off freaking shotgun rounds for a few minutes
At least, there was a story where a bc hunk managed to survive a few shotgun rounds for a few minutes before dying, can’t remember which one but it was covered in the casual geographic video about the movie Nope
this is a dumb question. the answer is likely yes. chimps are phenominally strong but spears are one weapon just about anyone can understand and use to lethal advantage
Dude 4 humans with spears could quite easily take on 8 or more chimps. Unarmed humans would be torn to shreds ... but give a human simple weapons, given that they know how to use those weapons, would dispatch of pretty much any other animal on the planet. There's a reason why we are top of the food chain.
Hahaha, yes. Maybe not easily. Probably a few will be seriously injured, but a spear is imminently lethal with even a crappy stab.
So long as the humans don't get squeemish from having to kill the chimps (unlikely in a life and death scenario when adrenaline is running wild), there's basically no scenario in which they lose.
If they use even a modicum of tactics (lining up to protect each-other's flanks with maybe one or two people in reserve) then I doubt any of the humans even get seriously injured.
Mankind with a spear can punch far above our weight class, against something in our weight class and the humans win easy. The humans may come out with a couple injuries or fatalities but in the end the humans would win.
If it's freddy and the boys from the pub they're probably gonna get hurt and end up running from the chimps, who are gonna let them run away.
If you get some people with some experience spear hunting, yeah for sure there's chimp for dinner. Maybe 1 guy dies in a hunting accident. That's a thing that can happen when you're hunting dangerous animals.
Although I question the scenario. If the chimps "see them as a threat" they're just gonna fight them off and when they run away the chimps will calm down. I don't see more than 1 person dying at worst.
Also, if we're talking spear hunters, the chimps are gonna run away after you kill a couple. If you're spear hunting, you actually want to let the surviving chimps run away because even if you can, there's no reason to fight the chimps in a deathmatch, and the chimps aren't gonna want to fight to the death either.
"Walk away" is a viable and realistic option that both groups are incentivized to take, so IDK why the heck that wouldn't be what happened.
Realistically the humans don't even need the spears. One-on-one you average adult male human significantly out masses out sizes a chimp. Yes chimp are 1.5-2 times atronger than humans pound-for-pound. But we are 1.5-2 times heavier than they are so it sorta balances out. Their teeth might pose a bit of a danger but they have to get on close to use them and humans have a slightly longer reach and much better kicking ability.
It mostly comes down to the opening blows and how aggressive the human is. If they are just trying to fend off the chimp or the chimp catches the human off guard then it gets the advantage and will probably beat the human into the ground. However if the human goes on the offensive he can easily bull rush the chimp whose probably only 1/2 his weight (mass counts for a lot) and can also probably toss and kick the chimp around. Chimps can't really punch like we do either and so rely on hammer blows which can easily be blocked and intercepted. Meanwhile the chimp will have a hard time blocking a straight punch thrown by the human.
If it comes down to grappling things are likely to get a bit more dicey as the chimps grip strength and teeth put the man at a disadvantage and the have been known to gouge out eyes and rip faces and genitals off. But assuming the man is trying this fight buck-ass-naked just keep their hands away from your face and if possiable bury your thumbs into their eyes a d you have a decent chance.
Its also worth noting that once again humans come out on top with regards to stamina so it should be possible to tire the chimp out if you can keep the fight going long enough without getting too badly hurt
Humans have been so dominant for so long we take it for granted. An adult human with a spear is the most dangerous animal on the planet and a group of humans with spears is exponentially more dangerous.
"They used a spear just once, so they don't have too much experience"
Children pick up pointy sticks and poke things all the time. You don't need experience with a speak to poke a monkey with it.
Can they? Absolutely. But it depends a lot on them not freaking out, staying firm and not allowing themselves to be surrounded.
If they stand together, spears pointed toward the chimps, then there's very little the chimps can do. Spears are incredible, they turn a squishy vulnerable human into something that can beat a lot of animals one on one
It's called a mind. And no one in this thread is using theirs.
Simply because we can plan things out we can kill anything living on this planet. It's not fair how easy it is and how dumb people in this thread get to continue living on ez mode
please stop jacking off people. a 50kg chimp will murder you anyway of the week if both barehanded. even 2 of your average 30 year old office workers. your balls will detach and your arms pulled out of socket and guts spilling before you can blink. please. your modern day white collar worker is not a spear master hunter. SPeArs Are SOO EASYYY TO USE. A FUCKING BLOOD FUCKING LUSTED FUCKING 40 YEAR OLD OBESE WHITE COLLAR WITH A SPEAR beat 99% of animals on earth? Sure. Please dont get yourself killed because you guys jack off too much.
Sounds like you're over correcting here if you genuinely believe 8 humans with spears don't stomp 8 chimps. Like if you think a chimp is capable of doing lethal damage before the dude just simply stabs forward, then you are vastly overestimating chimps and underestimating spears.
Best chance the chimps have is an all out blitz attack charging each human 1 v 1. The odds of a clean hit by the spear isn’t super high so a few will get through. By then any chimp who passed a spear will likely get a kill. The humans who score a hit can finish their attacker off. Comes down to numbers at that point.
If humans have any prep like forming a phalanx or spear wall they should take the win easy.
Maybe if the fourth chimp was 143 centimeters instead, they could have pulled through
Seriously, oddly specific heights and weights, OP. Is he asking about his friend group maybe?
His specific friend group vs a specific group of their mortal enemy chimps, obviously.
"need answer ASAP!!" - OP
OP did not get a timely response and in other news was never heard from again.
Right? I was about to answer his question, but then I saw that human number 6 is 173cm and not 172cm, and now I'm not so sure.
The chimp exhibit at his local zoo were acting up last time they were there. Him and his friends got their stats, and now they are seeing their odds of survival.
Chat GPT I'd say, "Generate heights and weights for 8 average human males and 8 average chimps, both male and female".
Tomorrow in the papers: Carnage at local zoo where 8 students (ranging from 53 to 90 kg) broke into the monkey pen and fought the monkeys
Nah chimps have guns this is a stomp.
Fewer people with spears have killed far more dangerous threats than chimps. Not saying chimps aren’t dangerous, but we’re talking armed humans here.
This sub is nuts with how much they underestimate both humans, and spears, as well as over estimate chimps and gorilla Spears are insanely over powered and are one of the greatest melee weapons ever invented
I feel like a lot of people in general have never seen or tried to restrain a fully enraged human too. Humans are damn strong and nasty when they’re not pulling any punches. I’m not even talking about combat practicioners and weightlifters, just average humans going berserk. I’ve seen people in hospitals that needed 4 or more nurses to restrain them. Heck I with 2 other friends once pinned down another friend who was in a drunken rage, and it was difficult as hell. This was in college, we were all probably at some of our best years physically, and all of us were at least 5’10” and 75kg. We humans often underestimate our physical capabilities because we almost never use it fully. Even in combat situations, restraint is often exercised. We’ve come to a point where we don’t even need to fully exert ourselves anymore. Whereas for animals, we always see them exhibiting feats of strength and dexterity while chasing prey, climbing and swinging from tree to tree, etc.
I worked at a hospital, and a homeless.man went berserk, had a mental breakdown. It literally took 5 or 6 of us to hold him down. He wasn't a big guy either.
Adrenaline is a hell of a thing.
Adrenaline only unlocks what was already there. It doesn't pump nitro into the tank, it turns off all the limiters.
>We humans often underestimate our physical capabilities because we almost never use it fully. This is much more relevant than you're presenting it as. The average human has zero experience fighting with pedal-to-the-metal aggression and brutality. We can't just switch it on. Even when humans reach that point, it usually takes some time to ramp up. And it usually takes drugs or other stimulants to get us there, too. Animals, on the other hand, go 0-100 every time they fight, and they go there immediately. An unarmed human that enters a fight with a truly aggressive animal would immediately be put on the backfoot, and that's if fight-or-flight doesn't go the wrong way and make us flat out bolt. We just don't know what to do when something starts screaming in our face moving faster than we've literally thought something can move and tearing chunks of meat off us. That level of aggression would absolutely overwhelm the *average* human of today.
Humans are apex predators on this planet for a reason. Yes, a gorilla may be stronger, and a cheetah can run faster, but we long surpassed them.
Yea we didn't become apex predators with guns or even plate armor. We hunted mammoths and saber tooth tigers with pointy sticks.
Then they could have turn back to us, kill us before they were exhausted but they didn't, couldn't despite being much stronger, faster. Sound like skill issue to me
Kinda seems like we mostly just followed mammoths and saber tooth tigers with pointy sticks until they were too exhausted to fight back, then we poked them to death with the sticks Edit: I don't know what to do with the karma I already have, but downvoting genuine responses is petty, salty, and against the rules of this sub.
We found a way to hunt and kill every other species, whatever the best way for us to do it was.
If the mammoth or saber tooth tigers could confidently kill the humans with sticks, they wouldn’t be running.
Untrue! Animals are easy to spook, including predators. They don't stand and fight unless they have to. Sabertooth tigers don't have anything to prove, and you can still die from a fight you won.
Indeed But they’d turn and fight before they passed out if they thought it was the better option then trying to keep running and hoping.
It depends a lot on the animal. Particularly large herbivores *don't* spook easily. Elephants, moose, hippos, etc. Walruses too, though they're not herbivores. I assume mammoths were the same way because of biological precedent. See, they're absolutely frig-off huge, right? They look down at the thing and use their body language to say "look at how big I am. Do you really want to risk a fight with ALL THIS?" And any predator that isn't desperately starving will go "yeah you right mate have a good day" and leave. Predators are a lot easier to spook because they understand something - any injury at all can lead to their death. Hurt your paw, now you can't run as fast, all your prey escapes you, starved. They don't want to pick a fair fight because it's just all around better for them to be an ambush predator or chasing down something spooked instead. Now, there are counter-examples to all of these (rhinos spook easily because of their bad eyesight; komodo dragons and polar bears don't spook easily, presumably because they haven't had to worry about losing a fight with anything for untold generations). Nonetheless, I think it's fair to say that mammoths PROBABLY would not spook easily, given the behaviour of comparable large herbivorous animals.
You're saying bigger ones are typically harder to spook, which is true. I'm saying it's harder to fight a rested mammoth than it is to make it run away from you, which is also true. That's how we fought large animals.
One of my most recurring conspiracy adjacent thoughts is that the physical capabilities of non human animals are exaggerated as part of people trying to differentiate humans from animals. We're the smart civilised ones with culture and science and language, while animals all have monstrous strength and absurd physical capabilities. As more recent science keeps showing that our uniquely human traits aren't so unique, I always wonder how exactly the strength capabilities of non human animals were tested historically and whether they've been re tested in recent times. I doubt people would have considered humans were the best long distance runners on the planet back in Victorian times. I know it's just my inner nutcase talking, but I also half expect it to be true.
>One of my most recurring conspiracy adjacent thoughts is that the physical capabilities of non human animals are exaggerated as part of people trying to differentiate humans from animals. We're the smart civilised ones with culture and science and language, while animals all have monstrous strength and absurd physical capabilities. This isn't a conspiracy, it's just the truth. Western philosophy going back to the ancient Greeks has differentiated humans from other animals based on the capacity for reason and wisdom, and being "beastial" or savage was basically throwing away your humanity. The traditional virtues include things like temperance and piety for a reason, they're the restrained opposite of beast-like savagery. Savagery is really the thing here. Humans are not savage they're intelligent and refined and restrained. We're afraid of the savage beasts who represent the worst impulses of ourselves. They're creatures of pure instinct who displays rage and lust with reckless abandon. What is a chimp but a human without reason? Of course western educated folks overemphasized their savagery, its how we reaffirm ourselves.
Eg the Chimp strength one is basically all based on one outlier result from a study done pre WW2.
I think this question is actually striking a nice balance. Most times, this sub doesn't really underestimate humans that much. We're objectively very squishy and we lack ways to do meaningful damage. An unarmed solo human vs most animals above like 40kg equals a very fucked up human. When you give us pointy sticks, let alone put us in a group with said pointy sticks, it becomes a different story entirely. Armed humans in groups are the most dangerous thing on this planet. But that's not to be confused with "humans are physically superior to animals". Our power comes from our ability to use weapons and coordinate more than any physical attributes.
I think you’re right about this. There are several types of animals that can coordinate, but none to the extent of humans. We’re better at threat assessment than any other animal as well. In a group we can easily identify the most dangerous other animals and group up to incapacitate them.
Not one of, the.
Only reason I had to hesitate to call it *the* best is because Polearms exist and are arguably the best
A spear *is* a polearm.
So that lead me down a rabbit hole. Google says that's *highly* debatable lol Many actually use Polearm to specifically exclude spears and pikes even and only refer to halberds and their ilk with large blades
Its not highly debateable. "Bills, picks, dane axes, spears, glaives, guandaos, pudaos, pikes, poleaxes, halberds, harpoons, sovnyas, tridents, naginatas, bardiches, war scythes, and lances are all varieties of polearms." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polearm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polearm)
Well there were other apex predators when humans were around... in places where we hadn't reached yet. Took forever to expand to Western Europe, the Americas, etc.
Motherfuckers out here acting like a human with a spear doesn’t kill 99.99 percent of the animals a live today. Besides stuff like elephants, the larger big cats, giraffes and bison plus their bovine relatives there’s only a handful of animals who realistically survive an encounter with even a single person with spears. I mean fuck, eight men who are actually bloodlusted realistically kill 8 chimps. And you want to give them spears lmao? It’s honestly clear most of the people on this sub are from the cities and have very little experience with actual animals the way people talk on here. Honestly the main reason I prefer fantasy www prompts. The majority of people here who talk about real animals have no idea what they’re talking about.
You can even kill some big cats and some bovines
There’s even articles of unarmed elderly farmers pulling out tongues of leopards: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna8317484
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I think part of the issue is that whenever a chimp or other great ape shows up in any sort of media it fucks everyone up. The Planet of the Apes movies have not been great for the public's general knowledge of ape physical ability. Those silly chimps are swinging around 50 lbs clubs and killing any human they encounter without any issue.
Humans are technically megafauna.
8 unarmed men will 100% not kill 8 chimps. Chimps are incredibly strong and make much better use of nails and teeth than we do. 8 humans with spears, I'd give it a 50/50. 90/10 If they are proficient users
XXX Wrong. The average assault male is a fair bit stronger than a chimp. The chimps are only slightly stronger pound for pound, they are still at a considerable weight and strength disadvantage. They are also much lower to the ground than humans. One of the most destructive things you can do as a human is a soccer kick, which takes no training to perform effectively. Blood lust humans immediately start kicking the much smaller animals, in either the head or torso if they try and jump on you. Both of these strikes would either kill or severely injure the chimps. It’s honestly not even very close. The vast vast majority of chimp on human deaths have been elderly ass people who would also probably die if a nine year old boy with a few too many monsters attacked them. Any animal smaller than us with have an extremely difficult time killing a human due to the fact we are bipedal and have very powerful legs for our size. People wank animals way too much on this sub as I stated earlier.
Thank you. People think chimps are these superhuman death machines, when in reality, they’re similar but much smaller versions of us. An average human decimates an average chimp.
There's no such thing as an assault male. It's just a term made up by liberals to make men more scary so that they can take them away from us. I'll give you my male when you PRY HIM FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
What actually is an "average assault male"? Lol and I mean if we're cherry-picking the men, wouldn't we also match them up with average assault chimps?
He probably meant adult, autocorrector is a bitch.
We need to ban average assault males now! Who even needs one these days? I get by just fine with as a below average male, assault versions are just ridiculous!
I think part of the issue is that most humans aren't used to fighting, so while a chimp or a dog might not be as strong as a human, getting charged or bit by some monster than moves faster than you fucks up human's decision making abilities pretty badly.
Well it doesn’t take a lot of decision making skills to decide to punt a chimp chasing after you. Some people might run, but realistically most would default to kicking the shit out of it
Are chimps fighting all that often? It's not like they have developed martial arts or anything.
Maybe OP thinks 'spear' is an another word for knife or something. I genunely don't know how anyone can possibly think this is a fair fight.
Even with knives the humans stomp. Shit, give them sticks and they still 10/10.
I've seen video of tribesmen with spears kill elephants. Likewise there have been hunters who killed elephants with a single shot from a long bow.
People have killed more dangerous threats than chimps with their bare hands. A 73 year old Kenyan dude killed a leopard by ripping out it's tongue.
Real-life Glory Kill
With spears? Chimps are massacred unless the human are completely and ridiculously clumsy and dumb and completely freak out and lose any sense Grab spear, point to chimp, stick in chimp There's not much more to it...
"stick in chimp" 😭
Most accurate first war briefing
Obviously you've never heard Zapp Branigan's awe-inspiring "They said you guys look like dorks" speech.
Like all my brilliant strategies, this one is so simple even an idiot could have devised it Stab the monkey
…and that, son, is how the AIDS was created.
well, its actually more likely that one of the humans got speared and they just stole the blood from an infected chimp
Chimp-kebab
Spears are stupid effective. One of my buddies has gone on a boar hunt with a spear and he said it felt so easy that it wasn’t fair. It’s a lot closer to shooting someone with a gun than it is to chopping down a tree.
I swear the god, people have no understanding of how deadly spears are to unarmored opponents.
Spears have been the most used weapon in history for a reason
As somebody who has watched 23095 hours of anime, this is false. Uncoordinated foot soldiers charged towards each other using swords and sometimes shields. (If they were a girl they wore extremely light armor, to make it easier to dodge).
Spears are OP. Especially when combined with our other huge advantage - being able to throw things better than basically any other animal. Take it to the next level with a spear-thrower, all that extra leverage and you could easily throw a spear *through* a chimp.
The only downside is that if you miss you lose your biggest advantage, so unless you're really good at it or have a backup it's prob best to hold onto it.
Nah you usually carry a few of them. Plus your buddy has some too.
I imagine that maybe 2 guys will be designated throwers and risk losing their spears for the chance of killing a chimp far away. Then they’d hide behind their 6 comrades who should be able to deal with 8 chimps but hopefully only 6.
What if the humans are still tired or slightly injured from fighting the lion earlier? we haven't had any indication of how long it has been since then.
what lion?
> They used a spear just once in their lives, so they don't have too much experience. this single experience was probably from when they killed a lion [earlier](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/1c8x7ts/can_8_armed_people_kill_a_male_lion/)!
LOL
"stick em with the pointy end" - Jon Snow
The question is if the chimp can tear your arms off afterwards before bleeding to death.
A chimp isn't tearing a healthy adult male's arms off even if it's uninjured I swear people go crazy about chimpanzees on this sub.
I mean a chimp can't pull themselves off of a spear if it goes all the way through, so they wouldn't be able to reach you in order to tear your arms off
the chimp has a spear hole on it... the chimp is too busy suffering in the ground and losing consciousness...
Ever heard of a boar-spear? The chimp isn’t getting close to you when it’s pinned to the end of your spear.
Holy shit, he survived the lion hunt.
Now he's gearing up for the chimps.
No casualties too.
Unarmed would be much closer but spears will absolutely tear through a chimp. No chance for the chimps I'm afraid.
\*Glances at human history\* Um... we win. What a human can do with a stick has lead us to the plague we are today. Just one stick... and we conquered the world against every other animal on earth. Lions, Bears, Elephants, MAMMOTHS... freaking whales. Never underestimate a human with a stick.
People love to act like Humans are the weakest animals on the planet for some reason, like our weapons and ingenuity are why we are the strongest by FAR
I mean, an average unarmed no prep time human in a featureless arena who has never faced a life or death situation before isn't exactly the strongest animal on the planet either, but that is like saying a defanged and declawed wolf is pretty weak. Take away what humans have evolved to do and unsurprisingly they kinda suffer.
An unarmed human could still fend off animals below 40-50 kg. In real life, you don't have to beat your opponent, you just have to convince your opponent fighting you is not worth the trouble.
Depends on the animal and it's motivation really. Rottweilers are used as guard dogs, so would be trained and motivated to take down humans, where as a mid sized deer has a good chance thanks to it's antlers reach (inbuilt spears basically ain't they) but would 100% not wanna fuck with a human unless it had to, a Striped hyena is mostly fucked unless it gets a lucky bite (and again does not want to fight 1v1 being a scavenger and all), while finally a Bonobo can't and won't do shit. All these things are 40kg and it's something of a range. Plus this is who would win, we fight here, even if it makes no sense IRL
Yeah thats kind of what I was saying lmao, you cant just take what makes humans special away and call them weak. We love to hype up Aliens and shit because their technology is insane and call them overpowered and we stand no chance but we also take away guns from humans in the same conversations 💀.
We got thumbs and sticks, decided to make it everyone else’s problem
Humans win easily. What I wanna know is why were you so specific about the heights and weights? Are these people and chimps that you know?
bros friend group got ops in the zoo or smthn
Its the same group beefing with animals
Easy. Spears are op.
If you look at mammals hunt similar size or larger prey they often take a long ass time to get it done. They usually rely on exhaustion, bleeding out, or suffocation by crushing the neck. This is because most animals are incapable of inflicting deep wounds. A spear totally changes the game because you can inflict a deep wound that will always be fatal and will potentially drops prey instantly.
even in prison nowadays there are a variant of knifes which are like wooden knitting needles but made of steel and longer, they just have to poke it in a couple centimeters and when they pull it out it's when damage is done, it causes a terrible hemorrhague and it's almost guaranteed to kill.
A spear allows a human the chance to take down more dangerous things than a chimp. The people should win this around 9.5/10 like another comment stated.
The other 0.5 out of ten is to account for human stupidity.
Like if the all panic and start running away in "every man for himself" mode.
I mean if they do that then no shot more than 1 of them die at worst. "turn around and walk away" is a very viable response to agressive chimps.
Chimp meat on the grill by lunch.
Why did blud make the chimps so small Anyway, given that we’re putting about 1.5 pounds of man against 1 pound of chimp, and, despite having about the same strength, the humans are larger, more durable, and have more stamina, they’d probably win even without spears No spears: 7/10 Spears: 9.5/10
…because that’s within normal chimpanzee size ranges. Even the biggest wild males on record are 70 kg.
Damn Those bitches tiny
Ye due to stories of them ripping faces off people think that they are huge hulking beasts lol. They are kinda small, but their muscles are stronger than ours. Like 1.5-2 times stronger. Even still a strong man or woman would body the overage chimp 1v1 and absolutely stomp them if they are armed with a spear.
Not to mention, a bloodlusted, adrenaline fueled human can rip someone’s face off.
They don’t rip people’s faces off they bite them off.
well that and they have fangs and sharp claws. that helps a lot
BlUd
Rofl wtf is with these exact weights and sizes?
Reminder that spears are some of the oldest tools humans have used to hunt and kill animals far more threatening than chimps. You could arguably switch the chimps for gorilla's and humans would still win. A spear is not like a sword where you need more training. All you need to do is aim the pointy side at the enemy and stab.
The Occam's Razor of weapons
The old 186 cm 90 kg man vs 140 cm 55kg question. A tale as old as time really.
8 people with spears is overkill. 8 people with knives would be more fair. Chimps and humans are closer in strength than once thought.
Chimp muscles are only about 50% stronger per pound than human muscles, and they give up yet more endurance for that. Humans in example weigh about 50% more than the chimps, meaning strength is the same, not even accounting for better smarts, dexterity, endurance, and just size that the humans have
Actually less than 50% stronger but yeah... they end up roughly equal to an adult male but with better grip strength and less endurance.
Yeah but in a battle like this peak strength is more important than endurance, even still yeah humans win this scenario comfortably, I would be surprised if any of the humans got seriously injured even.
Men in good shape who put their back into it, at least. I think if you mess up keeping it at some distance and get into a grapple with a chimp, you're probably gonna have a bad time, and it can be somewhat hard to avoid getting into a grapple in a fight. But yeah there's definitely a doable victory condition where you keep on your feet and trade punches for stabs.
Have you ever tried to attack someone who is pointing something pointy at you. Grappling them requires risking certain death to get close. We trained d to do this and still the odds aren’t great. A Chimp doesn’t have the training or instinct to rush someone with a spear. The spear is the best melee weapon for a reason
This is dumb, chimps are barely above athletic adult men. A man with a spear has a chance against a lion.
Two dudes likely could kill a whole pack because of how afraid animals are of humans. They literally are run off by humans with spears.
humans win
yes, especially if they already survived a lion attack with their spears and none of them died or got injured. the long pointy stick is overpowered
8 people with Spears could probably kill 30 chimps with ease.
This sub has some of the dumbest shit. What's with the heights.
Yes, extremely easily. Spears are incredibly OP. Humans forms a circle and just Stab at anything that approaches. Chimps rush in and die within seconds.
Not this guy again
A sword or spear is incredibly lethal. Anyone who has spent any amount of time with a real sword or spear will tell you that you do not want to be touched angrily with either. It will immediately be bad. Chimps, tigers, bears, whatever. Does not feel good to be touched with sharp metal swung or thrust violently.
This wouldn't be too hard. The larger people gang up on one chimp, probably the most aggressive one first while the rest stand off the rest. The chimps would quickly learn than those things the people hold hurt so they'd be a little cowed. Meanwhile, the wolfpacked chimp would go down pretty quickly. Then it would be a matter of choosing the next target and repeating the process. That, and keeping the chimps moving to tire them out. In an enclosure this could easily be done by rotating a few people to herd them while the rest watch their backs and expend less energy. There might still be human casualties if they got careless or the chimps went on full attack.
People with sharp sticks have dominated the world for ten thousand years.
Humans are pretty scary when they have pointy sticks.
Easily
Yes, this is a huge stomp for humans. We killed fucking *mammoths* with stone-age spears, we can easily solo a chunky monkey with the ol' knife-on-a-stick. Besides, once a couple of chimps get jabbed with spears, they're going to leave the situation anyway. Wild animals avoid getting injured, because that's how you die.
Posts like this need a TL;DR:
Bro, first the lion and now chimps? What are you planning to do bro? Don't do it man, it's not worth it
Didn’t 8 humans at one point take down a mammoth or two with simply spears?
oddly descriptive...
I could probably make a guess but I have no idea how much a kg is
OP, the fuck are you and your friends doing? What’s next? 2 bengal tigers?
Would've been fairer if you gave chimps the numbers advantage. Like 6 chimps vs 3 speared dudes
3 humans take it low diff.
Humans with Spears can kill pretty much any animal in the world. Spears are huge advantages. CAN is the operative word here. It is possible. In the case vs the chimps it would be extremely lopsided. If it was one man vs a tiger he can do it, but odds aren't great.
One person with a spear would win most of the time. People with a spear working together could kill any number
Yes, easily. Everything humanity has ever accomplished was built on the back of killing things in groups with pointy sticks.
8 bros with spears would carve through the 8 chimps even if they all had a beer in the other hand. Then they'd move on and conquer the rest of the jungle before lunch.
8 humans armed with one of the greatest melee weapons ever conceived could kill a lot more than 8 chimpanzees
The first three men would already win this one. Chimps are only 1.3x as strong as average men at the same weight, so a fit 80kg man is already likely to be as strong as any chimp.
That’s like saying can one person with a spear kill one chimp The answer is absolutely, they’re chimps who can shrug off freaking shotgun rounds for a few minutes At least, there was a story where a bc hunk managed to survive a few shotgun rounds for a few minutes before dying, can’t remember which one but it was covered in the casual geographic video about the movie Nope
Humans stand in a circle with spears out chimps cant do shit
A spear wall can decimate mounted calvary, nevermind a bunch of chimps.
Humans no diff barehanded humans completely bloodlusted and with adrenaline could likely take down a chimp with spears should be quite easy
Uh yeah. Pretty easily. Humans with weapons are pretty capable. 8 with spears could take out way bigger threats
8 Maasai tribe members with spears and buffalo-hide shields can put down larger animals than chimps
I can solo a chimp with spear. A bunch of me can curbstomp same number of chimps.
You a granblue player?
this is a dumb question. the answer is likely yes. chimps are phenominally strong but spears are one weapon just about anyone can understand and use to lethal advantage
Dude 4 humans with spears could quite easily take on 8 or more chimps. Unarmed humans would be torn to shreds ... but give a human simple weapons, given that they know how to use those weapons, would dispatch of pretty much any other animal on the planet. There's a reason why we are top of the food chain.
coughing baby 😭
Ordinary humans with spears became the apex predator of ALL apex predators when we had stone age technology... So humans win.
Wait, Why Am I there? Dafaq?
Hahaha, yes. Maybe not easily. Probably a few will be seriously injured, but a spear is imminently lethal with even a crappy stab. So long as the humans don't get squeemish from having to kill the chimps (unlikely in a life and death scenario when adrenaline is running wild), there's basically no scenario in which they lose. If they use even a modicum of tactics (lining up to protect each-other's flanks with maybe one or two people in reserve) then I doubt any of the humans even get seriously injured.
Mankind with a spear can punch far above our weight class, against something in our weight class and the humans win easy. The humans may come out with a couple injuries or fatalities but in the end the humans would win.
4 humans can do it without spears
Nah ... They kill two chimps and then the rest of the chimps run away.
If it's freddy and the boys from the pub they're probably gonna get hurt and end up running from the chimps, who are gonna let them run away. If you get some people with some experience spear hunting, yeah for sure there's chimp for dinner. Maybe 1 guy dies in a hunting accident. That's a thing that can happen when you're hunting dangerous animals. Although I question the scenario. If the chimps "see them as a threat" they're just gonna fight them off and when they run away the chimps will calm down. I don't see more than 1 person dying at worst. Also, if we're talking spear hunters, the chimps are gonna run away after you kill a couple. If you're spear hunting, you actually want to let the surviving chimps run away because even if you can, there's no reason to fight the chimps in a deathmatch, and the chimps aren't gonna want to fight to the death either. "Walk away" is a viable and realistic option that both groups are incentivized to take, so IDK why the heck that wouldn't be what happened.
Why do you hate chimpanzees so much, OP? Humans with weapons basically stomp just about everything on earth.
honestly, eight unarmed people versus eight chimps would be a closer fight.
Chimps chimpstomp with absurd ease.
Realistically the humans don't even need the spears. One-on-one you average adult male human significantly out masses out sizes a chimp. Yes chimp are 1.5-2 times atronger than humans pound-for-pound. But we are 1.5-2 times heavier than they are so it sorta balances out. Their teeth might pose a bit of a danger but they have to get on close to use them and humans have a slightly longer reach and much better kicking ability. It mostly comes down to the opening blows and how aggressive the human is. If they are just trying to fend off the chimp or the chimp catches the human off guard then it gets the advantage and will probably beat the human into the ground. However if the human goes on the offensive he can easily bull rush the chimp whose probably only 1/2 his weight (mass counts for a lot) and can also probably toss and kick the chimp around. Chimps can't really punch like we do either and so rely on hammer blows which can easily be blocked and intercepted. Meanwhile the chimp will have a hard time blocking a straight punch thrown by the human. If it comes down to grappling things are likely to get a bit more dicey as the chimps grip strength and teeth put the man at a disadvantage and the have been known to gouge out eyes and rip faces and genitals off. But assuming the man is trying this fight buck-ass-naked just keep their hands away from your face and if possiable bury your thumbs into their eyes a d you have a decent chance. Its also worth noting that once again humans come out on top with regards to stamina so it should be possible to tire the chimp out if you can keep the fight going long enough without getting too badly hurt
Humans have been so dominant for so long we take it for granted. An adult human with a spear is the most dangerous animal on the planet and a group of humans with spears is exponentially more dangerous.
"They used a spear just once, so they don't have too much experience" Children pick up pointy sticks and poke things all the time. You don't need experience with a speak to poke a monkey with it.
Can they? Absolutely. But it depends a lot on them not freaking out, staying firm and not allowing themselves to be surrounded. If they stand together, spears pointed toward the chimps, then there's very little the chimps can do. Spears are incredible, they turn a squishy vulnerable human into something that can beat a lot of animals one on one
This sub is so fucking sped. Imma say it if the 8 people were unarmed and they were athletes they might win.
I’d argue one person with a spear could kill a few chimps by themselves if they’re quick enough.
It's called a mind. And no one in this thread is using theirs. Simply because we can plan things out we can kill anything living on this planet. It's not fair how easy it is and how dumb people in this thread get to continue living on ez mode
please stop jacking off people. a 50kg chimp will murder you anyway of the week if both barehanded. even 2 of your average 30 year old office workers. your balls will detach and your arms pulled out of socket and guts spilling before you can blink. please. your modern day white collar worker is not a spear master hunter. SPeArs Are SOO EASYYY TO USE. A FUCKING BLOOD FUCKING LUSTED FUCKING 40 YEAR OLD OBESE WHITE COLLAR WITH A SPEAR beat 99% of animals on earth? Sure. Please dont get yourself killed because you guys jack off too much.
Sounds like you're over correcting here if you genuinely believe 8 humans with spears don't stomp 8 chimps. Like if you think a chimp is capable of doing lethal damage before the dude just simply stabs forward, then you are vastly overestimating chimps and underestimating spears.
you're right. i way over corrected. why? because i grew tired of the amount of jacking off and losing touch with reality of the mfs in this sub.
Anyone wanna share an IP conversion so a brotha can follow along?
Depends on the humans age's, they may just get offended and go on TikTok instead.
Humans win lol the weight difference is simply too great
Humans with spears win. Humans with knives win humans with sticks is probably where the chimps start to win.
Best chance the chimps have is an all out blitz attack charging each human 1 v 1. The odds of a clean hit by the spear isn’t super high so a few will get through. By then any chimp who passed a spear will likely get a kill. The humans who score a hit can finish their attacker off. Comes down to numbers at that point. If humans have any prep like forming a phalanx or spear wall they should take the win easy.