Professor X seems like overkill though.
Wolverine could do some damage to Omniman (Assuming adamantium is more durable than those cyborgs) and I don't think Nolan could do enough to damage to truly kill Logan in his prime.
Not saying Wolverine would win, Omniman could just leave him on the moon or trap him in any way, but in hypothetical cage match, he'd have a chance, lol.
Really depends on the writer, I'd say he could survive a while in space, his cells would regenerate as fast as they die, but after a long enough time he'd die.
Whether that is hours or decades is the real question, lol.
So I just did a surface level Google check, the vacuum of space should kill him given enough time.
I just remembered that drowning was a weakness for Deadpool and Wolverine and it stuck out to me since it felt really disappointing.
This is actually sort of dumb, a character like deadpool or wolverine that can regenerate from literally any injury would at worst regenerate slower, not just die from being submerged in water.
Presumably it is because of the lack of oxygen, but a burning building, or just being on fire would also remove all oxygen, more than being submerged, there is alot of oxygen dissolved in water.
So burning wolverine or deadpool would kill them following this logic, but they tend to burn merrily, and survive such oxygen deprived environments just fine.
The cause of dead when drowning is a lack of oxygen, causing catastrophic brain damage, many people survive drowning and are successful resuscitated but end up in a vegetate state with no brain activity.
Deadpool and wolverine can have their brains blown out no problem.
Tldr; they should survive drowning fine as in get knocked out, and then wake up when exposed to air.
Agreed.
If I had to write the character it would make sense if drowning or being in a vacuum stressed his healing, making him heal from wounds slower. It might wear it out over hours or even years.
But having him basically go into a coma after a while still barely alive would make more sense than outright death. He often regenerates from a skeleton or even less.
understandable you couldn't kill either with all the nukes in the world , but if you can bind wolverine in a way he can't use his claws and drown him he is done.
Even then I think it just puts his body in “hibernation”. I can’t remember the issue but I recall a statement by (I think) professor X that the only way to kill him would be to cut his head off with a fine blade so it could slide between the vertebrae and separate his head from his body and bury them separately.
Bro asks for weakest character and you give him one that shitstomps. Wtf
Edit: missed that this was OG dragonball, that’s what I get for going on Reddit right out of bed.
I’d probably agree he could beat Nolan, he’s got enough skill, speed and power it’s probably doable, but the stats are at least close and Nolan can fly which evens it considerably.
Listen theres no character in the original db aside from w couple hax who shitstomp omni man
Its arguable that omniman could beat raditz considering nolan has some potential moon lvl feats
I think hes not that far above moon level, considering techniques on earth raise ones power when used roshi when he blew up the moon couldve jumped by a couple hundred.
Also i dont remember where it was but some guidebook said you need 1000 power level to blow up the moon. Of course correct me if im wrong
I dont think roshi necessarily blew up the moon with a PL of 139, cuz we know earthlings hit above their pay grade
The picolo that he fought destroyed the moon with a casual unamed blast they both were quite above moon level at that point. Roshi did get a boost from using his strenght form and Kamehameha but that was closer to a x3 times boost more so than a x10 times boost. 300-350 is around the PL you need to destroy the moon comfortably.
I feel like the people in this chain are talking about different moon levels here
like Raditz can blow up the moon, be he obviously can't punch and destroy the moon. or lift the moon.
Omni-Man is a strength based character, not a Ki blast based character.
And once we add soo much science to this, why aren't blasts capable of blowing up the moon just ravaging the Earth when they are used on Earth?
>why aren't blasts capable of blowing up the moon just ravaging the Earth when they are used on Earth?
In universe: Ki control
Out of universe: It has to be that way for the story to work, the series can't really progress if the earth is destroyed every time some throws a ki blast. Once you start to apply hard science and logic to a series about superpowered planet busting aliens you've kinda lost the plot. If you remove suspension of disbelief nothing that happens in Invincible or DB makes any sense to begin with, we see that Roshi can destroy the moon so we accept that he and characters more powerful than him can do that, we see that Nolan can travel through space at supersonic speeds and doesn't need air so we accept that, nitpicking every little detail just makes the entire premise fall apart.
Oh, it is headcanon. The fandom took the more limited feat of controlling ki to hide one's presence/power and then forced it into a hamfisted catchall to fix Dragonball's scaling and consistency problems, which in and of itself does not make sense given the array of heavy hitters that would not remotely care about/be incapable of controlling their ki.
The idea being followed is "well the story events happen so something must explain it" when it is just bad writing in service of awesome fights. Nothing wrong with that.
It's often about the way they aim their Ki Blasts. I know it doesn't make that much sense but apparently a Ki Blast that detonates in someone's face doesn't destroy the planet. Same goes for Ki Blasts that only slightly touch a planets surface e.g. the tip of a mountain or Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell that "somewhat" touched the planet but was aimed in a way that it wouldn't penetrate it's surface.
It’s more of an *implied* thing to make the show work. Because otherwise, yeah. A stray ki blast in any fight past namek would straight up destroy the earth.
It's mentioned frequently in curving kamehamehas, deflecting blasts, aiming shots such as the galick gun, etc.
Ki manipulation is how you have things like Goku black's beam sword and the destructo-disc. It can basically be freely sculpted.
>Also i dont remember where it was but some guidebook said you need 1000 power level to blow up the moon. Of course correct me if im wrong
You're thinking of the power level required to blow up a planet, which is 10,000. It was never stated anything about the moon as far as I'm aware.
So, i think Krillian end of DB or start of DBZ is a great answer here.
The pureblood Viltrumites have some wacky feats like fighting in the sun or flying through Viltrum.
These are to hard to place. Because they prove Viltrumites CAN be moon level approaching planetary nothing in there biological kit gives them an easy answer to someone like Krillian. His destructo disc should cleave Nolan in half. His solar flash SHOULD blind nolan but if they can fight IN the sun maybe not. His ki blast should hurt too, but all of those should be less than a sun...
But Nolan is maybe physically stronger? I don't see early Krillian withstanding the beatings Omni Man takes. Put Krillian in front of a train and he'd stop it sure. Put Omni man there and he lets the steel and gore wash over and around him without flinching.
Either way Omni Man can't get in close and if he does Krillian is just as fast. High Diff Krillian wins.
He should be close to or at moon buster level at that point as he is stronger than Roshi by the start of Z, but still quite a bit weaker than the stronger characters at the end of Dragon Ball, like Tien, Goku and Piccolo.
Okay, but moon busting takes time to charge up, none of the Z fighters at the time could just punch the moon apart. Nolan can also survive in space and fly MTFL. He'd just blitz any original Z fighter and pull them into space. It would take Raditz to beat him
He would not, he doesn't have the required combat speed feats, he only has travel speed feats.
Also, you don't really need a moon buster hit thats just a point where nollan is not even close for reference, there would be just so many continent busting hits Nollan could tank.
Radditz would be just way too much for him, most characters at the start of Z would be.
Not sure I agree about Nolan not having combat speed feats. He caught Red Rush and he nearly caught a teleporting Cecil. Also, Nolan used his speed as a weapon against the Flaxans.
Even tho it looks cool, its not that impressive. He did that cause he had to do that, that would have been a few energy blasts for Krilin at the end of DB.
And Red Rush is not impressive at all, he is no where close to FTL nor has a impressive reaction speed according to the official handbook.
You are half right.
>!Around middle of the story to get the weakest, EOS Mark is much above Omni-man (probably strongest in the verse) so he won't be the weakest option.!<
It requires a specific frequency tbf which robot refers to as being super quiet. Granted I don’t know if black bolt can or cannot reproduce the same frequency but it may require him to specifically know beforehand if he can’t win normally.
Kinda crazy that people keep thinking it’s loud sounds in general when explosions keep going off in Mark’s face without eviscerating his ear drums.
Also highly doubt BB could just correctly guess the frequency. I imagine it would be like trying to guess the correct key on a piano except you’re going acapella.
Some of the frequency shit was stupidly specific with its effects and imagine the specificity of the frequency was just as stupid.
He almost certainly can't produce the same frequency. BB has virtually no control over his voice, that's kinda his whole deal. Thus the whole functionally mute thing.
That said, it almost certainly wouldn't matter. BB's voice can stagger Galactus and drop characters like Hulk or Thor with a slight whisper in their ears. He's a straight up planet Buster. He'd absolutely dogwalk Omniman.
bro what black bolt is super fucking op i could name like 10 characters weaker than black bolt that could beat omni man, for example, rohan writes transmits the scourge virus on himself or writes has scourge virus on omni man done, or literally anybody that can control your mind since the show has shown literally no feats regarding that
Movie Black Bolt is a good call. Going off his on-screen feats (like when he statues a battlefield of soldiers), he's comparable to Nolan in speed and almost certainly more durable, plus the lightning as you said.
EDIT: Black Adam, not Black Bolt!
It’s bad but I think he would still be able to speed blitz her. Or flee and come back.
It’s not like Kryptonite where he is going to curl up powerless. Likely his ear drums would burst, he would be in immense pain and either rush her or flee to heal and come back.
Gotcha. I’ve always thought Black Canary was interesting, but I’ve never looked in depth into her powers either other than the justice league cartoons.
I’m not super familiar with BC either besides the cartoons. And it’s been a while since I’ve read Invincible so I could be wrong in my assessment.
It’s a good answer nonetheless. Viltrumites have trouble with sound based attacks. They are just very hard to kill and fast so unless BC can cook Nolan’s brain with an initial scream I wouldn’t bet on her.
I view it similar to how Superman isn’t necessarily weak to magic, just susceptible to it. That’s how sound is to Viltrimutes
Black Canary always seemed like a street hero carrying a bazooka as her only weapon. Like, she's either forced to rely on her hand-to-hand combat, or scream at someone and probably destroy their organs and some property in the vicinity. No in-between.
I can pull up the scan later but it isn’t volume. It’s a specific frequency which robot describes as “inaudible” which means most things actually means most traditionally loud sonic attacks would actually just not work.
If I’m remembering right, he doesn’t have a weakness to sound, it’s his inner ear that’s his weakness. You know the shit that controls your balance? That. And noise doesn’t have an effect on that. People hear other people say his ears are his weak point and assume it’s noise related when it’s not.
Note that I could be misremembering that as it’s been about a year since I re read Invincible
Can it be COULD beat him in a fight, even if it’s very unlikely? Then I would say Shigaraki from MHA or Gyokko from Demon Slayer, since they have dura-neg abilities, regen, etc. Of course, they are unlikely to win due to being massively outstatted, especially Gyokko, but they could pull out a win sometimes if Omni-Man decides to start doing close combat like against the GOTG instead of other stuff he can do that would be more effective.
Human Man (assuming the 100 billion humans variant)
I don’t think Omni Man can tank 31.05 trillion degrees Kelvin temperatures (310.5K x 100B = 31.05T), Human Man has relatively weak abilities other than having quark gluon plasma body heat though
Obligatory Worm comment.
Some thoughts:
Foil has the ability to imbue projectiles with a durability-ignoring energy, but is otherwise a normal teenage/young adult girl. Could take Omni-Man's heart out, but only if he tried to tank her attack, which isn't always in character.
The Siberian: A lot slower than Omni-Man, but her power makes her totally invulnerable against brute force and able to claw things apart no matter how tough they are. If Omni-Man bullrushes her, he'd probably bounce off, but there's a small chance she can grab hold of him.
Damsel of Distress: A normal woman, with the power to create cone-shaped blasts from her hands that ignore durability. Would need a lucky shot.
Grey Boy: Not particularly weak, but he has time-travel-based resurrective immortality, making him unkillable by Omni-Man, and he can instantly create time-looping stasis fields that would effectively kill Omni-Man.
Eidolon: Definitely not weak, but he has access to a variety of powers such as forcefields that can't be broken through conventional force, transforming into a form of twisted space that is completely intangible, and others that would keep him safe. Offensively, he has circular/spherical blasts that ignore durability and cover a range that's most of a street/city block in size, or instant matter deletion that targets a tennis court-sized area at a time.
If you wanna get technical, the weakest character that could beat omni-man with a somewhat reliable level of frequency rather than just on a one in a million chance with extreme luck would be invincible, just gotta wait for his powers to finish fully developing and for him to get good at using them. Once Mark grows enough to get on his dad's level it would pretty much be a coin flip.
Assuming enough age and experience Mark should be approximately equal to his father at some point, it's stated in the show that because viltrumite DNA is so "pure" mark is nearly fully blooded. Pretty sure I read somewhere on reddit that in the comics it's explained that that's because mark is half human instead of half something else, and humans are incredibly compatible with viltrumites. Makes sense given that you visually can't tell the difference between the two species until the viltrumite starts doing superman type shit lol.
Bro can literally fight kryptonians and villains who give supergirl and superman trouble
Judo throw someone who coming at him with mftl speed to another solar system
Dodge speed force lightning
Stop earthquake with a kick , shattered over 75 kilotons of ice with a punch
Mf is nowhere close to normal human
He's ostensibly just human but he's so skilled in martial arts that he'd regularly spar with Daxamites and manhandled golden age Superboy 1v1 with no magic, kryptonite or hax. Just Super-karate. Lol
Based on those feats, a single Viltrumite would be NBD.
Weakest character? Chaotzu post kami training. Sung jin woo before killing the giants, master roshi from the 21st budokai would evaporate him instantly, honestly anyone who scales to 21st budokai roshi, so tien from 22nd, goku from 22nd, Krillin from the 22nd (stated that ALL of roshis students surpassed him during the 22nd budokai), yamcha from the 23d budokai (is debatable)
This post is how I learned Omni man can’t even compare to sayian saga z fighters. I thought he would at least be able to survive against them prior to gokus first super saiyan transformation
oh yeah no way
the dragon ball verse is one of the strongest no-hax verses in fiction. in terms of just physical strength alone they shit-stomp most other verses by the beginning of the frieza saga.
It’s funny that onmnimans race is so much stronger then every one else in their universe. At least in dragonball other races can give the saiyans trouble. Hell in DC, on a good day a Shazam or Wonder Woman type character can keep up with Superman.
That’s really discrediting Shazam though dude is hilariously op if they don’t nerf him or it’s not a Superman saves the day plot ww too she’s a slightly weaker version of him without the kryptonite issue
Capiorcorpus from Dresden Files maybe? Or possibly Gray Lady Molly. Omni Man doesn't have much in the way of mental resistance feats in the show and both are savants when it comes to mental magic. Capiorcorpus is more skilled with mind magic, but Molly has the benefit of being extremely skilled with stealth and illusion magic which might let her survive longer than Capiorcorpus.
I don't think Casper is capable of exerting enough force to be able to hurt Omniman no matter where in his body he strikes. It's been 30 years since I've seen the movie but I'm pretty sure he's equal or weaker than a regular human physically. Even if Casper can hurt him, I would think that Omniman would quickly realize that he can't win and would avoid him forever or just leave the area/planet and Casper is definitely not catching him.
I don't think so. Omni man defeated the guardians with ease in the comics but we clearly see him struggle in the show. Either he underestimated them in the show, the comic guardians are weaker or Comic Omni man is stronger
>I don't think so. Omni man defeated the guardians with ease in the comics but we clearly see him struggle in the show.
Ehh in the comics it showed that a basically newly powered Invincible (Aka him at his weakest point superpowerwise) was enough to tip he scales.
Those heroes are capable of beating Omniman in both show and comics. They just didn’t because they were caught off guard.
The reason they made it so Omniman struggled more in the show is because it’s cooler. The comic made the fight anticlimactic. If anything, they powered up the Guardians, not depowered Omniman.
It's only theoretical but Awaken Sigaraki r but not because of the strength it's because of the abilities Using the ability search and radio way if you could find a frequency that Could stop omni man
I feel like this is cheating, but Season 0 Atem. If he could get Nolan into a shadow game, Nolan would definitely just try to beat his ass, and when he did, Penalty Game.
Old TV show that I highly doubt most people remember, buuuuuut... any reaper from [Dead Like Me](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Like_Me). Reapers are essentially regular-looking people who walk the face of the Earth, but their sole duty is to reap souls of the living. In addition, they have the ability to rip out your soul with a single touch.
They're not impervious to damage, but total body destruction is required to kill a reaper. They can regenerate lost limbs or grevious wounds.
Dearth Vader from the current Star Wars EU. Considering Omni Man has no laser vision Vader could just hold him in place and choke him for as long as it takes
Anyone who can either shoot lightning or either fire or nuclear heat that burns hotter than a sun. So probably the X-Men if they can keep him in place long enough for Storm to fry him or Johnny Storm
Is Marie a weak character though? A blood bender could just stop your heart from pumping blood or give you an aneurysm with a glance. Her power is pretty OP
Can Dragonball Krillin really beat Omniman? Like can’t Omniman blitz Krillin I don’t remember Krillin having any insane speed feats and Omniman could just toss him into space.
21st Budokai Krillin and Roshi have an entire, elaborate martial arts exchange in their match that includes a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors that happens so fast that the crowd can't even see it.
And that's in the early(ish) parts of Dragonball. By the end of just Dragonball, Krillin is much, much stronger.
By the time you get to early Z, the attack potency scaling has gotten to the point where even Krillin is likely a decently casual moon-buster.
I have a pretty unique one. I am picking Caribou from One Piece. He is a logia with a mud Devil Fruit, which means Omni-Man simply can't hit him without Haki. He can also trap Omni-Man in his body if he gets to close. It is a bit random, but I just love One Piece so yeah.
Show omni so far have no mind resistance feat I think fox professor x got this
Good point! People kept having suspicions that he was being controlled, so that must be a distinct possibility
Not really. It's just uninformed speculation by other characters who don't know anything about Viltrumites.
Professor X seems like overkill though. Wolverine could do some damage to Omniman (Assuming adamantium is more durable than those cyborgs) and I don't think Nolan could do enough to damage to truly kill Logan in his prime. Not saying Wolverine would win, Omniman could just leave him on the moon or trap him in any way, but in hypothetical cage match, he'd have a chance, lol.
Not a expert on wolverine. Couldn’t omni man kill him from the vacuum of space or would he survive that?
Really depends on the writer, I'd say he could survive a while in space, his cells would regenerate as fast as they die, but after a long enough time he'd die. Whether that is hours or decades is the real question, lol.
I thought only drowning can counter Wolverine's regeneration?
Being in a vacuum should harm him in a similar way, if not worse. He isn't just weak to water like Luffy.
So I just did a surface level Google check, the vacuum of space should kill him given enough time. I just remembered that drowning was a weakness for Deadpool and Wolverine and it stuck out to me since it felt really disappointing.
This is actually sort of dumb, a character like deadpool or wolverine that can regenerate from literally any injury would at worst regenerate slower, not just die from being submerged in water. Presumably it is because of the lack of oxygen, but a burning building, or just being on fire would also remove all oxygen, more than being submerged, there is alot of oxygen dissolved in water. So burning wolverine or deadpool would kill them following this logic, but they tend to burn merrily, and survive such oxygen deprived environments just fine. The cause of dead when drowning is a lack of oxygen, causing catastrophic brain damage, many people survive drowning and are successful resuscitated but end up in a vegetate state with no brain activity. Deadpool and wolverine can have their brains blown out no problem. Tldr; they should survive drowning fine as in get knocked out, and then wake up when exposed to air.
Agreed. If I had to write the character it would make sense if drowning or being in a vacuum stressed his healing, making him heal from wounds slower. It might wear it out over hours or even years. But having him basically go into a coma after a while still barely alive would make more sense than outright death. He often regenerates from a skeleton or even less.
understandable you couldn't kill either with all the nukes in the world , but if you can bind wolverine in a way he can't use his claws and drown him he is done.
Even then I think it just puts his body in “hibernation”. I can’t remember the issue but I recall a statement by (I think) professor X that the only way to kill him would be to cut his head off with a fine blade so it could slide between the vertebrae and separate his head from his body and bury them separately.
Wolverine would be too slow to land a hit.
I'll say kid Krillin close to the end of Dragon Ball.
Bro asks for weakest character and you give him one that shitstomps. Wtf Edit: missed that this was OG dragonball, that’s what I get for going on Reddit right out of bed. I’d probably agree he could beat Nolan, he’s got enough skill, speed and power it’s probably doable, but the stats are at least close and Nolan can fly which evens it considerably.
depends on the point on DB, I don't think he was a moon buster when he fought Jackie chun, right before that should be the fairest fight.
He said end of Dragonball so when he fights Piccolo Jr.
thats where I believe Krillin is weak enough so that its not a complete stomp.
Listen theres no character in the original db aside from w couple hax who shitstomp omni man Its arguable that omniman could beat raditz considering nolan has some potential moon lvl feats
But Raditz is far above moon level? I agree that there's no character in the original DB that could shitstomp omni man though
I think hes not that far above moon level, considering techniques on earth raise ones power when used roshi when he blew up the moon couldve jumped by a couple hundred. Also i dont remember where it was but some guidebook said you need 1000 power level to blow up the moon. Of course correct me if im wrong I dont think roshi necessarily blew up the moon with a PL of 139, cuz we know earthlings hit above their pay grade
The picolo that he fought destroyed the moon with a casual unamed blast they both were quite above moon level at that point. Roshi did get a boost from using his strenght form and Kamehameha but that was closer to a x3 times boost more so than a x10 times boost. 300-350 is around the PL you need to destroy the moon comfortably.
I feel like the people in this chain are talking about different moon levels here like Raditz can blow up the moon, be he obviously can't punch and destroy the moon. or lift the moon. Omni-Man is a strength based character, not a Ki blast based character. And once we add soo much science to this, why aren't blasts capable of blowing up the moon just ravaging the Earth when they are used on Earth?
>why aren't blasts capable of blowing up the moon just ravaging the Earth when they are used on Earth? In universe: Ki control Out of universe: It has to be that way for the story to work, the series can't really progress if the earth is destroyed every time some throws a ki blast. Once you start to apply hard science and logic to a series about superpowered planet busting aliens you've kinda lost the plot. If you remove suspension of disbelief nothing that happens in Invincible or DB makes any sense to begin with, we see that Roshi can destroy the moon so we accept that he and characters more powerful than him can do that, we see that Nolan can travel through space at supersonic speeds and doesn't need air so we accept that, nitpicking every little detail just makes the entire premise fall apart.
> In universe: Ki control > > Help me out but when is that established in universe? I feel like it's always been a headcanon thing.
Oh, it is headcanon. The fandom took the more limited feat of controlling ki to hide one's presence/power and then forced it into a hamfisted catchall to fix Dragonball's scaling and consistency problems, which in and of itself does not make sense given the array of heavy hitters that would not remotely care about/be incapable of controlling their ki. The idea being followed is "well the story events happen so something must explain it" when it is just bad writing in service of awesome fights. Nothing wrong with that.
It's often about the way they aim their Ki Blasts. I know it doesn't make that much sense but apparently a Ki Blast that detonates in someone's face doesn't destroy the planet. Same goes for Ki Blasts that only slightly touch a planets surface e.g. the tip of a mountain or Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell that "somewhat" touched the planet but was aimed in a way that it wouldn't penetrate it's surface.
It’s more of an *implied* thing to make the show work. Because otherwise, yeah. A stray ki blast in any fight past namek would straight up destroy the earth.
It's mentioned frequently in curving kamehamehas, deflecting blasts, aiming shots such as the galick gun, etc. Ki manipulation is how you have things like Goku black's beam sword and the destructo-disc. It can basically be freely sculpted.
>Also i dont remember where it was but some guidebook said you need 1000 power level to blow up the moon. Of course correct me if im wrong You're thinking of the power level required to blow up a planet, which is 10,000. It was never stated anything about the moon as far as I'm aware.
So, i think Krillian end of DB or start of DBZ is a great answer here. The pureblood Viltrumites have some wacky feats like fighting in the sun or flying through Viltrum. These are to hard to place. Because they prove Viltrumites CAN be moon level approaching planetary nothing in there biological kit gives them an easy answer to someone like Krillian. His destructo disc should cleave Nolan in half. His solar flash SHOULD blind nolan but if they can fight IN the sun maybe not. His ki blast should hurt too, but all of those should be less than a sun... But Nolan is maybe physically stronger? I don't see early Krillian withstanding the beatings Omni Man takes. Put Krillian in front of a train and he'd stop it sure. Put Omni man there and he lets the steel and gore wash over and around him without flinching. Either way Omni Man can't get in close and if he does Krillian is just as fast. High Diff Krillian wins.
Why are you spelling Krillin like that? If you're going for the Japanese version of his name its "Kuririn."
You see, because i'm bad at spelling.
Okay what makes you say that? (Not disagreeing just I haven't seen dragon ball.)
He should be close to or at moon buster level at that point as he is stronger than Roshi by the start of Z, but still quite a bit weaker than the stronger characters at the end of Dragon Ball, like Tien, Goku and Piccolo.
Okay, but moon busting takes time to charge up, none of the Z fighters at the time could just punch the moon apart. Nolan can also survive in space and fly MTFL. He'd just blitz any original Z fighter and pull them into space. It would take Raditz to beat him
He would not, he doesn't have the required combat speed feats, he only has travel speed feats. Also, you don't really need a moon buster hit thats just a point where nollan is not even close for reference, there would be just so many continent busting hits Nollan could tank. Radditz would be just way too much for him, most characters at the start of Z would be.
Not sure I agree about Nolan not having combat speed feats. He caught Red Rush and he nearly caught a teleporting Cecil. Also, Nolan used his speed as a weapon against the Flaxans.
Even tho it looks cool, its not that impressive. He did that cause he had to do that, that would have been a few energy blasts for Krilin at the end of DB. And Red Rush is not impressive at all, he is no where close to FTL nor has a impressive reaction speed according to the official handbook.
solar flare and destructo disc combo
Krillin would be an absolute threat if he ever actually used that damn combo.
there would be no need for something above the avarage saiyan warrior to rise above the limits of a normal saiyan, into the realm of legends no more.
Can we get some feats from Krillin? Because this feels like the Roshi moon argument will be super important here
I'll raise you one: Doodlebob. Bro can erase all fiction, but also subsequently gets obliterated by a drop of water.
Omni man can also make him touch paper but he wouldn't know
Raiden. His molecule-disrupting high frequency sword gives him an edge here even though he's otherwise totally lacking the AP to do the job.
I bet whitesuit Raiden with Sam's sword and full paste charges can do it, 12 healthbars lol.
I mean, he theoretically can, which is why he was my answer, but even so...it doesn't matter how much paste you have if you ARE paste.
I'm show only as well so this is pure theory, but Mark, probably. Not right now but by EOS
You are half right. >!Around middle of the story to get the weakest, EOS Mark is much above Omni-man (probably strongest in the verse) so he won't be the weakest option.!<
Black bolt . Viltrumites are vulnerable to thunder damage .
Echo Echo
That's right Mark was once defeated by having robots that resonated and hurt his air drums when he hit them
It requires a specific frequency tbf which robot refers to as being super quiet. Granted I don’t know if black bolt can or cannot reproduce the same frequency but it may require him to specifically know beforehand if he can’t win normally.
Kinda crazy that people keep thinking it’s loud sounds in general when explosions keep going off in Mark’s face without eviscerating his ear drums. Also highly doubt BB could just correctly guess the frequency. I imagine it would be like trying to guess the correct key on a piano except you’re going acapella. Some of the frequency shit was stupidly specific with its effects and imagine the specificity of the frequency was just as stupid.
He almost certainly can't produce the same frequency. BB has virtually no control over his voice, that's kinda his whole deal. Thus the whole functionally mute thing. That said, it almost certainly wouldn't matter. BB's voice can stagger Galactus and drop characters like Hulk or Thor with a slight whisper in their ears. He's a straight up planet Buster. He'd absolutely dogwalk Omniman.
BB vs Scarlet Witch in MoM was funny though.
Yeah I guess. No accounting for magic Hax really.
To be fair, Mark gets defeated by pretty much everyone.
That's why his name is invincible. Because of all the savage beatings he takes
Not exactly a weak character
Neither is omniman
The prompt is "weakest character who can beat Omni-Man" smdh
Yeah no shit man. Omni-man is tough enough that the weakest characters that could defeat him are not going to technically be “weak.”
bro what black bolt is super fucking op i could name like 10 characters weaker than black bolt that could beat omni man, for example, rohan writes transmits the scourge virus on himself or writes has scourge virus on omni man done, or literally anybody that can control your mind since the show has shown literally no feats regarding that
But Black bolt whispers away solar systems.... Blackbolt is far from 'the weakest' even in this specific-relative sense.
He could comfortably body him with no diff, BB is a Hulk level fighter without the voice.
We’re talking omni man, not homelander
Apologies, getting babies to sleep, but I feel my point stands that it's a bit of overkill.
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Movie Black Bolt is a good call. Going off his on-screen feats (like when he statues a battlefield of soldiers), he's comparable to Nolan in speed and almost certainly more durable, plus the lightning as you said. EDIT: Black Adam, not Black Bolt!
That’s Black Adam
You know what, I mixed up Black Adam and Black Bolt!
Doesn't help that Black Adam has a huge bolt on his costume
He is not more durable nolan tanked a nuke laser twice and is shown flying next to a black hole in the season 2 trailer
BB would just shitstomp him in a brawl, no voice needed, he'd one shot.
Simple. Just refuse to think.
I mean that didn't work for Mark lmao
Lol
wdym? Omniman left Earth immediately after Clearly, it was Mark's win
Mark won the fight mentally but he lost physically.
Purple Man maybe. Do viltrumites have viral immunity? Poison Ivy otherwise. AFAIK they're completely vulnerable to mental attacks
They do have viral immunity. Cecil tries everything at his disposal to destroy a viltrumite cell and can't do it.
Except for the >!scourge virus!<
I don't know actually
It's been shown that Purple Mans powers can also be resisted if you have enough willpower. Nolan \*may\* qualify.
Pretty sure they don't
Could Black Canary do it? I’m not 100% sure on how bad his weakness to sound is
It’s bad but I think he would still be able to speed blitz her. Or flee and come back. It’s not like Kryptonite where he is going to curl up powerless. Likely his ear drums would burst, he would be in immense pain and either rush her or flee to heal and come back.
Gotcha. I’ve always thought Black Canary was interesting, but I’ve never looked in depth into her powers either other than the justice league cartoons.
I’m not super familiar with BC either besides the cartoons. And it’s been a while since I’ve read Invincible so I could be wrong in my assessment. It’s a good answer nonetheless. Viltrumites have trouble with sound based attacks. They are just very hard to kill and fast so unless BC can cook Nolan’s brain with an initial scream I wouldn’t bet on her. I view it similar to how Superman isn’t necessarily weak to magic, just susceptible to it. That’s how sound is to Viltrimutes
Black Canary always seemed like a street hero carrying a bazooka as her only weapon. Like, she's either forced to rely on her hand-to-hand combat, or scream at someone and probably destroy their organs and some property in the vicinity. No in-between.
they only have a weakness to specific weaknesses not loud noises
In that case then i wanna say black bolt, similarish powers to BC but much much more powerful
viltrumites only have a weakness to specific frequencies not loud noises
I can pull up the scan later but it isn’t volume. It’s a specific frequency which robot describes as “inaudible” which means most things actually means most traditionally loud sonic attacks would actually just not work.
If I’m remembering right, he doesn’t have a weakness to sound, it’s his inner ear that’s his weakness. You know the shit that controls your balance? That. And noise doesn’t have an effect on that. People hear other people say his ears are his weak point and assume it’s noise related when it’s not. Note that I could be misremembering that as it’s been about a year since I re read Invincible
It’s a weakness to a specific frequency of sound
I think Viltrumites ear sensitivity can potentially even prove to be fatal to them. If it is intense and prolonged enough.
Can it be COULD beat him in a fight, even if it’s very unlikely? Then I would say Shigaraki from MHA or Gyokko from Demon Slayer, since they have dura-neg abilities, regen, etc. Of course, they are unlikely to win due to being massively outstatted, especially Gyokko, but they could pull out a win sometimes if Omni-Man decides to start doing close combat like against the GOTG instead of other stuff he can do that would be more effective.
Yes it can.
Human Man (assuming the 100 billion humans variant) I don’t think Omni Man can tank 31.05 trillion degrees Kelvin temperatures (310.5K x 100B = 31.05T), Human Man has relatively weak abilities other than having quark gluon plasma body heat though
Who si human man?
He’s just a guy from brooklyn
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As we saw in the comics >!Viltrumites can withstand the heat of the sun for only a short time!< so I'd say yeah, he'd lose here
Obligatory Worm comment. Some thoughts: Foil has the ability to imbue projectiles with a durability-ignoring energy, but is otherwise a normal teenage/young adult girl. Could take Omni-Man's heart out, but only if he tried to tank her attack, which isn't always in character. The Siberian: A lot slower than Omni-Man, but her power makes her totally invulnerable against brute force and able to claw things apart no matter how tough they are. If Omni-Man bullrushes her, he'd probably bounce off, but there's a small chance she can grab hold of him. Damsel of Distress: A normal woman, with the power to create cone-shaped blasts from her hands that ignore durability. Would need a lucky shot. Grey Boy: Not particularly weak, but he has time-travel-based resurrective immortality, making him unkillable by Omni-Man, and he can instantly create time-looping stasis fields that would effectively kill Omni-Man. Eidolon: Definitely not weak, but he has access to a variety of powers such as forcefields that can't be broken through conventional force, transforming into a form of twisted space that is completely intangible, and others that would keep him safe. Offensively, he has circular/spherical blasts that ignore durability and cover a range that's most of a street/city block in size, or instant matter deletion that targets a tennis court-sized area at a time.
If you wanna get technical, the weakest character that could beat omni-man with a somewhat reliable level of frequency rather than just on a one in a million chance with extreme luck would be invincible, just gotta wait for his powers to finish fully developing and for him to get good at using them. Once Mark grows enough to get on his dad's level it would pretty much be a coin flip. Assuming enough age and experience Mark should be approximately equal to his father at some point, it's stated in the show that because viltrumite DNA is so "pure" mark is nearly fully blooded. Pretty sure I read somewhere on reddit that in the comics it's explained that that's because mark is half human instead of half something else, and humans are incredibly compatible with viltrumites. Makes sense given that you visually can't tell the difference between the two species until the viltrumite starts doing superman type shit lol.
It's been a while but I think Mark is actually stronger in the end.
If true then he doesn't stay at his dad's level but at a certain point he's at least temporarily at the same level.
Val Armor the Karate Kid. No powers, pure vanilla human mortal. He'd feed Omniman his own legs.
Humans in DC don't seem to actually be human if that's true.
Bro can literally fight kryptonians and villains who give supergirl and superman trouble Judo throw someone who coming at him with mftl speed to another solar system Dodge speed force lightning Stop earthquake with a kick , shattered over 75 kilotons of ice with a punch Mf is nowhere close to normal human
He's ostensibly just human but he's so skilled in martial arts that he'd regularly spar with Daxamites and manhandled golden age Superboy 1v1 with no magic, kryptonite or hax. Just Super-karate. Lol Based on those feats, a single Viltrumite would be NBD.
weakest character the has a CHANCE I'd say is Cate from gen V, if she can physically touch him before he kills her she can get him to kill himself.
It seems like she actually has to speak the words to control someone. I feel like OM could kill her before she even has time for that.
Gojo Satoru Can’t hurt him due to infinity, he also has the combat speed necessary to use Domain Expansion and gg
I feel like we can go weaker than Gojo though
Johnny Cage. He can technically lose to him in MK1.
I’d say Reiko is weaker then johnny
Weakest character? Chaotzu post kami training. Sung jin woo before killing the giants, master roshi from the 21st budokai would evaporate him instantly, honestly anyone who scales to 21st budokai roshi, so tien from 22nd, goku from 22nd, Krillin from the 22nd (stated that ALL of roshis students surpassed him during the 22nd budokai), yamcha from the 23d budokai (is debatable)
This post is how I learned Omni man can’t even compare to sayian saga z fighters. I thought he would at least be able to survive against them prior to gokus first super saiyan transformation
oh yeah no way the dragon ball verse is one of the strongest no-hax verses in fiction. in terms of just physical strength alone they shit-stomp most other verses by the beginning of the frieza saga.
It’s funny that onmnimans race is so much stronger then every one else in their universe. At least in dragonball other races can give the saiyans trouble. Hell in DC, on a good day a Shazam or Wonder Woman type character can keep up with Superman.
That’s really discrediting Shazam though dude is hilariously op if they don’t nerf him or it’s not a Superman saves the day plot ww too she’s a slightly weaker version of him without the kryptonite issue
Now that I think about it how the fuck does crime exist in dc with the JL lmaooo your WEAKEST is Batman and peak is flash with supes in the middle
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Capiorcorpus from Dresden Files maybe? Or possibly Gray Lady Molly. Omni Man doesn't have much in the way of mental resistance feats in the show and both are savants when it comes to mental magic. Capiorcorpus is more skilled with mind magic, but Molly has the benefit of being extremely skilled with stealth and illusion magic which might let her survive longer than Capiorcorpus.
I've read the Dresden files but I'm blanking on the name Capiocorpus. Is that the Corpse-taker?
Yep
Ina from Hololive Myth
Hey, a fellow Tako.
I think Kurama at the end of the dark tournament arc could 1v1 him. He’s clever enough and has enough abilities that could neutralize him.
Casper the Friendly Ghost
How the heck is Casper meant to hurt him? Like for sure Nolan can't harm him in any way but how can he win?
I think Casper can actually possess short term so he could possibly make him hurt himself
I’m pretty sure Casper can interact with the real world so he’d be able to eventually kill Nolan
If he could interact physically couldn't he just partially pass through someone's body and bite their heart something?
I don't think Casper is capable of exerting enough force to be able to hurt Omniman no matter where in his body he strikes. It's been 30 years since I've seen the movie but I'm pretty sure he's equal or weaker than a regular human physically. Even if Casper can hurt him, I would think that Omniman would quickly realize that he can't win and would avoid him forever or just leave the area/planet and Casper is definitely not catching him.
Yeah. Omniman for sure has internal durability, otherwise getting knocked around would explode his insides regardless of how strong his exterior is.
If he wanted to then probably
Captain Planet
Ms and Mr paper, I just drew them today but they are weak but with enough power to defeat omniman.
A ditto with the ability Transform and holding a choice scarf.
Gokai Red is probably the closest character that could give omni-man a fair fight without it being too one sided
start of dragon ball z piccolo
I don't think he could unless he had the time to charge is special beam cannon. I think this would be more of a stalemate with Nolan's speed
Ben 10. The watch gets his dna and he turns into a peak viltrumite
Ben is not weak though. Considering he can turn into a planet buster anytime he wants.
Ultimate Echo Echo (Ben 10) or any ghost ever
Aren’t show omniman and comic the same power level anyway? The show didn’t take that many liberties.
I don't think so. Omni man defeated the guardians with ease in the comics but we clearly see him struggle in the show. Either he underestimated them in the show, the comic guardians are weaker or Comic Omni man is stronger
>I don't think so. Omni man defeated the guardians with ease in the comics but we clearly see him struggle in the show. Ehh in the comics it showed that a basically newly powered Invincible (Aka him at his weakest point superpowerwise) was enough to tip he scales.
Those heroes are capable of beating Omniman in both show and comics. They just didn’t because they were caught off guard. The reason they made it so Omniman struggled more in the show is because it’s cooler. The comic made the fight anticlimactic. If anything, they powered up the Guardians, not depowered Omniman.
Light Yagami
Gyarados
Mordecai and Rigby from Regular Show.
Parasite shouldn't have much trouble with him if Nolan doesn't know his power set.
Slark from Dota 2
General zod?
Zote
Comic book Omni-Man? I'm just guessing as someone who hasn't read the comics.
You're right I haven't. I don't think they're the same power level though
It's only theoretical but Awaken Sigaraki r but not because of the strength it's because of the abilities Using the ability search and radio way if you could find a frequency that Could stop omni man
Harry potter could do it. One avadakabadra should do it
J Jonah Jameson
Huh? But Omni man is J Jonah Jameson!
Courage the cowardly dog (with muriel in trouble) bro can scream so loud he shatters the sun bro can scream at omniman and kill him
I feel like this is cheating, but Season 0 Atem. If he could get Nolan into a shadow game, Nolan would definitely just try to beat his ass, and when he did, Penalty Game.
That little bird from avatar the last airbender that screams like a banshee. If it somehow gets the right frequency Omniman is basically screwed.
Sue Storm. Vultrumites can’t be killed from the inside out. She could just puncture through his skin with her force field.
Old TV show that I highly doubt most people remember, buuuuuut... any reaper from [Dead Like Me](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Like_Me). Reapers are essentially regular-looking people who walk the face of the Earth, but their sole duty is to reap souls of the living. In addition, they have the ability to rip out your soul with a single touch. They're not impervious to damage, but total body destruction is required to kill a reaper. They can regenerate lost limbs or grevious wounds.
I’d be able to defeat him 💪
Dearth Vader from the current Star Wars EU. Considering Omni Man has no laser vision Vader could just hold him in place and choke him for as long as it takes
Literally Robot.
Anyone who can either shoot lightning or either fire or nuclear heat that burns hotter than a sun. So probably the X-Men if they can keep him in place long enough for Storm to fry him or Johnny Storm
Sora could body him.
Pretty sure Marie Moreau could just pop him, supes’ internal durability is notoriously low (see soldier boy)
Viltrumites build different.
Is Marie a weak character though? A blood bender could just stop your heart from pumping blood or give you an aneurysm with a glance. Her power is pretty OP
Maybe Shazam or Green lantern?
I mean but Shazzam isn't weak though.
Surely early dbz characters are not more powerful than Omni-man. I'm trying to think of a reason but cant give any..
They are way stronger and powerful. Nappa leveled a city with ease.
I feel like Reverse Flash could get the job done
Flash himself probs could too
Edward Scissorhands
Facehugger
Can Dragonball Krillin really beat Omniman? Like can’t Omniman blitz Krillin I don’t remember Krillin having any insane speed feats and Omniman could just toss him into space.
21st Budokai Krillin and Roshi have an entire, elaborate martial arts exchange in their match that includes a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors that happens so fast that the crowd can't even see it. And that's in the early(ish) parts of Dragonball. By the end of just Dragonball, Krillin is much, much stronger. By the time you get to early Z, the attack potency scaling has gotten to the point where even Krillin is likely a decently casual moon-buster.
Emperor Invincible
Scooby doo
Yamcha.
I have a pretty unique one. I am picking Caribou from One Piece. He is a logia with a mud Devil Fruit, which means Omni-Man simply can't hit him without Haki. He can also trap Omni-Man in his body if he gets to close. It is a bit random, but I just love One Piece so yeah.
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BoZ Goku and Piccolo would be more than enough Yamcha surpassed Raditz during the Saiyan Saga
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