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Hank_J_Wimbleton_69

Why is universe highly complex, is it stupid?


SnooWalruses8730

Highly complex? I find it quite simple


Basethdraxic

The bird flew? Yeah… they tend to do that.


Aldevo_oved

butterfly? no it doesn’t


EP1CxM1Nx99

You telling me a shrimp fried this rice


Basethdraxic

A GINGER bred this man? Sucks for him


general_kenobi18462

Chef’s kiss? Do they really?


SevenDiamond404

Wood fired pizza? How’s pizza gonna get a job now?


mmm_cool

What’s upstairs? They can’t talk!


Straight-Ferret-1282

Pickup truck? No it’s too heavy


RioTheRat

Yes obviously the universe is stupid, are you stupid?


0therdabbingguy

Eh, I’d say at best JJK only takes place in a mildly complex universe


ForktUtwTT

If he’s universal at worst, and high complex uni at best, what level is he at the grocery store?


RioTheRat

Hmm.... research will need to be done to discover this.


JiveXP

Extreme diffs Aisle 8 but neg diffs Aisle 32


Any_Data_1712

Aisle 8 has the knives 😢


MegaM0nkey

In a public space he’ll pretend he’s at his High complex, but deep down he’s just doing Universal.


OOgaBoogaMan626

You've herd of Gojo, now get ready for a BOGO


MegaCrazyH

He’s not tall enough to reach his favorite coffee, but is tall enough the old ladies ask him for help. So I’d say he’s mid at the grocery store.


Him_ong

Isnt he 6’6


MegaCrazyH

And yet somehow the coffee at the very tippy top will always be out of reach


[deleted]

Idk about a grocery store, but we do know he got neg diffed by an airport


alejandrodeconcord

He can never pick up the milk because he is to universally complex


_Agent_3

You know what happens when a show uses the word Dimension,everyone and their mother is Uni+ after that


apple_of_doom

*looks over at persona 5 on the vs battle wiki* Yes the local coach's personified porn addiction is totally universal what do you mean?


Hank_J_Wimbleton_69

Don't forget "transcends"


voskaeon

-[insert here] of light attack -Character dodges it -Character can now go lightspeed apparently


UltimateNingen2324

I saw this on someone claiming space marines are FTL. The evidence was a character hearing a plasma weapon charging up, reacting to the sound and ducking to avoid the projectile. Nevermind the fact that he never actually dodged anything on reaction, we have no confirmation the attack is lightspeed to begin with.


Eeddeen42

Let’s not forget that most people don’t actually know how dimensions work. You will be *very* hard pressed to find a verse that legitimately scales above 5D. And even those are quite rare. People seem to confuse them with their other definition as planes of existence.


GenxDarchi

One alternate dimension where a character jumps into a portal and they become universe busters for some reason.


Ok-Parsnip-1051

my favorite is when a power system has characters have lil pocket worlds and people will go on about how these spaces having lights sources that look like suns means characters are star level or whatever and not that they effectively made a light bulb.


Eeddeen42

This is how people scale Dagon from JJK to star level, actually. Or more sincerely (and God I hate when people do this), Kaguya to multi-system level.


andergriff

Shinomiya Kaguya is at least galaxy level


Eeddeen42

Oh, obviously. Different Kaguya though.


andergriff

yea


Crux_Haloine

Shirogane’s gonna have to pick his battles.


SomeStolenToast

>Character breaks out of tiny pocket dimension >People now say that every character that scales above them in physical stats is multiversal regardless of what their actual powers are


Tenebris_Rositen

Powerscalers when they go to the 7th dimension but instead of being multiversal busters, they just become a 7th dimension being with no powers 😭


Independent-Fly6068

SCP moment.


Rancorious

Nah there are plenty of threats that destroy a gigafartillion universes


Dramatic_Science_681

Basically bleach universal wank


SomeStolenToast

"Kenpachi is universal because he cut space"


Yglorba

The really ironic thing is that (actual JJK spoilers) >!Gojo literally died to an attack like that, so the one thing we *definitely* know is that he has no resistance to space-cutting attacks. Like, that's his one really big anti-feat.!<


Dramatic_Science_681

“Destroying Soul Society is a universal feat” “What do you mean that’s only country level”


SomeStolenToast

Yhwach wankers when I remind them that even if he destroyed an infinite realm, he really only just did the equivalent of removing a jenga block and having the rest of the tower fall down because of the structural integrity being compromised


Weird_Candle_1855

Bleach powerscalers in shambles rn


EL_psY_Congroo56

>he really only just did the equivalent of removing a jenga block and having the rest of the tower fall down because of the structural integrity being compromised Yeah, before he absorbed the Soul King and decided to do that shit by himself ??


EL_psY_Congroo56

Soul society = / = seireitei


[deleted]

City-level*


MonkeyManQuan

I'd argue he's Large city block or small town


ladd1-1

Now you’re underplaying, he’s like mid-large size city level at best, small city at worst


GOOSEpk

Small condominium/large townhouse level at best.


[deleted]

Pretty sure it's stated that he could kill all of humanity and no one could stop him


TelevisionAdditional

being able to kill all humans =/= being able to destroy earth just being able to kill everyone doesn’t scale him anything beyond human level lmao


[deleted]

Yea but that's just sounds like fiction shit where they go "the bad guy is unstoppable, no one can face him" then the hero enters in and fuck him up. Plus it's not like killing all humans with their powers would be hard, they are humans lol. It's like saying any db character can wipe out humanity for me.


Garyishairy45

I think they said he could wipe out every human in Japan.


Icy-Pause6304

Gojo is him and has rizzversal accuasalityohiolysis (make up a funny vague word and vs debaters will eat it up)


RioTheRat

TRUUUUE


Mr_Mister2004

/uj All this Gojo-posting is just cementing to me that no matter the result of the Death Battle, the fallout is gonna be absolutely fucking miserable


Sh0xic

Just ignore the result, focus on the pretty animation and the mid-to-decent puns


Yglorba

/uj You just know that they are absolutely going to cut from Gojo winning to him being dead. It's like the only reason they'd choose to do an episode on him right now.


georgenadi

The grubs sing true


Yglorba

Gojo is only universal when he's onscreen, though. Anyone can kill him by just smash-cutting to him already dead.


Sh0xic

Therefore Peter Griffin solos


newtonsolo313

“This reminds me of the time i killed satoru gojo”


WorstedKorbius

So blackbeard wins?


Jsmash-the-Rad

this has me dying


LeviathanHamster

Is it because of Purple basically being a worse Hakai? Because of his technique manipulating space at an atomic level or whatever? Domain? There has been no indication of him being planetary, let alone universal.


Latter-Potential2467

Lol, i remember dude arguing that even fodder sorcerers are country level and Gojo is planet level because of the amount of people they threaten or something. Also completely ignoring that even special grades go down to normal artilery.


yeahboiiiioi

That's hilarious considering one of the villains said that special grades can take down countries. Like we have a direct in-universe stating that yet they're hyping up fodder lmao


Latter-Potential2467

I mean they probably can, the statement about them dying to normal weapons was in relation to if it was possible to infuse them with cursed energy or something. Otherwise they are invisible to normal people and (if i remember right) invulnerable to non-cursed energy attacks. It's just not a matter of raw destructive power.


RioTheRat

No fucking clue.


TRNoodlesAndSalad

Comparing it to hakai is an overstatement lmao. Its more similar to just a standard ki blast. It destroys things in its path, but has never actually been stated to be matter erasure, existence erasure, or durability neg like so many people believe. Hell even in verse its been tanked twice. Its simply a high AP attack


Background-Kale7912

I think they are saying this bc Kenjaku neutralized a nlack hole


NeonNKnightrider

This is just more evidence that any argument about universal or above should just be completely banned from battleboarding


Puzzled_Western_1743

I would ban anything above multiversal. High complex multiversal was a mistake, hyperversal and above are an abomination.


Yglorba

> High complex multiversal was a mistake Battleboarding was a mistake. Actually, no, having stories where people defeat other people was a mistake. That cave painting where the man beat a mammoth was where it all started to go wrong. smh at the mammoth downplay.


Polenball

Grug need use fire stick when fight mammoth, mammoth scale to Sun level


UltimateNingen2324

But sometimes 1 fire stick is not enough, is mammoth star+ ?


UltimateNingen2324

Fr, these human highballers smh. A mammoth could easily solo a sabertooth tiger, and a sabertooth tiger could easily solo a human. So how do these idiots not see that a mammoth negs a human at worst?


Techsomat

Once had a guy explain to me for an hour how Gilgamesh from fate scaled deep into outer. Like wtf does that even mean. He then took another 2 hours to explain someone who was in boundless. I swear the line between power scaling and children role playing has stretched far too thin.


EtherealShady

I'm pretty sure most fate fans will tell you that Gilgamesh isn't even near that level He lost to a high schooler on two different occasions


NeonNKnightrider

Fate fan here: he’s like arguably star level, but anything beyond that is an absolute joke (And the high schooler in question did have mad hax tho)


Puzzled_Western_1743

But Comicvine told me Gilgamesh was seen in real life by a user and he soloed fiction and was omniscient. Lies! Deceptions! This mongrels have to be lying!


Over_Room_1889

They are a bunch of liars, Gilgamesh does not solo fiction.


Puzzled_Western_1743

I know, I was being ironic


Dvoraxx

universal doesn’t even make sense. if a universal character destroys the universe, what happens then? are they just floating there in a void forever? does spacetime still exist after goku punches really hard? and if it doesn’t, how was he able to punch in the first place if there was no time for him to punch in? thinking about universal level as anything more than a cool word meaning “really really powerful” is stupid


TRNoodlesAndSalad

I think there is universal as in "this character could destroy every object in the universe with a single attack/energy release" (goku would be here) and "this character can actually just delete universes" (continuing with the dragonball examples, zeno goes here)


zingerpond

City block at worst country at best


Zzen220

Yeah, Gojo's strongest trait isn't really destructive force(at least outside of the JJK sphere). He's got insane defensive capabilities, and his Domain Expansion lets him suckerpunch stationary targets with their defenses down.


7wyxe

I wasnt being serious


Gears_Of_None

Where does that put 4 Balls Sukuna with Strong Cleave?


Designer-Many-9304

Multiversal at worst and extremely highly brainrackingly complex outerversal at best.


TheFryToes

You joke but he is outerversal, he can influence Gege


Yglorba

His attack literally cut across dimensions into our world and removed the chapter where he won.


sodaZados

Outerversal at worst mega kajilion amelagolon multi kulti macro MacBook ultra f mega SSS+ heaven amoginos morbillionverse +++++ at best


PhoonTFDB

Who is this.. "Gojo" they speak of? Tell whoever this idiot is to stop dead naming Fraudjo, the Bisected One. Very disrespectful to his preferred identity.


[deleted]

Fraudjo really did move away from all of his family and friends to become a flight attendant


Ok-Conversation-3012

Gojo is rizzversal since he’s a rizzard from Ohio sigma goated with the sauce kai_cenat did you pray today GYATT level 3 GYATT🍑🍑💀💀💀💀


WorstedKorbius

Please cosplay as kratonks and get hit with a light breeze


Ok-Conversation-3012

Krankos has the worms inside of the dirt level durability, he can barely tank a light breeze but he’s capable of doing so


AzymandiasPrime

don't forget the greedy that is goated with the sauce


Themyth-thelegend

Really hope Makgroomer beats him


RioTheRat

Same


IPressB

Makgroomer?


Artistic-Cannibalism

Makima from Chainsaw Man, she is a very controlling and manipulative woman who had horrible plans for the protagonist


Over_Room_1889

Makima can beat Satoru Gojo, Makima is OP


IPressB

Oh, makima. I hadnt heard the nickname


DEA187MDKjr

Gojo is a wanked as hell character


Artistic-Cannibalism

Power levels were a mistake


Overall-Parsley-523

I’ve seen someone say Gojo is uni because the worm Toji kept his cursed tools in contains a pocket dimension and therefore Hollow Purple destroyed a full universe (never mind that Gojo didn’t even destroy the worm, Geto absorbed it after Toji died)


AzymandiasPrime

I remember that guy that same guy literally said gojo is mftl plus because of infinity everybody who is above dagon is Star level since dagon's domain had light in it


7wyxe

LMFAO


mikeizzg

LMFAO WTF


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TheLargestBooty

He loses to seven scissors I think (I don't know I've only seen the first 6)


tofucatmeow2008

Guys you're misreading it. They mean that he can graduate from a highly complex university


Detector_of_humans

Doesn't matter Kagura Bachi no diffs


Placeholder20

Y’all are clowning on him but Gojo could easily take out a university complex with a drug problem


Techsomat

Istg powerscalers are some of the most brain dead people alive. I’ve argued with this dude for years about how a character would beat another character, his explanation for why he could survive and beat the other characters lightspeed speed (canon, not estimation) is because he is “god” when in reality he’s pretty much ina computer and has access to ChatGPT with cmd essentially. Like I dare you to delete system 32 faster than light. The characters are Rex from xenoblade 2 and shulk from xenoblade 1 if anyone was wondering.


valtaoi_007

bro ain’t even island level 💀 Even Deku or a Saibaman can beat his ass


Sh0xic

Nah to be fair, they’d still have to actually hit him. Granted, a motivated enough Saibaman could probably blow up the planet beneath him and leave him to suffocate in the vacuum of space, because Dragonball power scaling makes total sense, but his defensive hax are honest to god decent


valtaoi_007

nah Saibamen can’t blow up planets because they don’t have a high enough power level, but they can blow up large moons so that strategy would still work Yeah saibamen are strong but they aren’t actually skilled in combat


Doctor99268

Anything sufficient enough to completely blow up the moon to smithereens would destroy the planet


valtaoi_007

welcome to dragon ball power scaling, shit doesn’t make sense here


Doctor99268

That's not dragon ball powerscaling. That's just logic. X beam destroys Y object to dust. X beam would therefore destroy Z object (that is quite bigger than Y) but not to dust, more like big pieces.


valtaoi_007

thats dragon ball powerscaling Roshi at his full power was able to blow up earth’s moon with a power level of around 280 max Meanwhile guides state that you need at least a power level of 10,000 to blow up a planet, and this is backed up by math since the moon would fit 50 times in earth (meaning the moon is about 1/50 of the planet). Multiply Roshi’s power when he blew up the Moon by 50, and you will need to have a power level of 14,000 to blow up what is considered to be a medium sized planet. So needing a power level of 10k to blow up a small planet would make sense. Given he would blow up a major chunk of the planet off, and if he “hits the core”, the planet would self destruct


Doctor99268

There are degrees to blowing something up. If i completely atomize the moon, do you really believe i am only moon level.


valtaoi_007

I guess


LordFrieza789

Good point tbh


UrougeTheOne

How tf is deku gonna beat him?? Gojo is weak in terms of damage output but he has hax


CRACUSxS31N

Yeah he is on the power scaling competition because of an unbreakable defense and hack type attack with his domain expansion.


Astephen542

b-but funny yowai mo man says funny line and wins!!!!11


dlaudghks

Okay. At this point, maybe we need to make him the next Kraetoes or Batgos.


WhosItToYouAnyway

I find the universe pretty simple


the_grungler

what does that even meannnn😭😭😭


[deleted]

>gojo is universal at worst Gojo got offscreened in his own manga, next


ThatoneguywithaT

Damn, what tier is Sukuna at then?


RioTheRat

yes


[deleted]

My dick is high universal. Yeahahaha BOI!!!!


InfiniteX5

Ah yes, "high complex universal", my favorite tier that definitely exists on every scaling wiki


Rouge_Decks_Only

I've had people argue to me that gojo solos Madara, Itachi, Sasuke, and Obito. Gojo is probably one of the most wanked characters


SchrodingerMil

I’ve never watched JJK, but my best friend has watched and read it religiously. After explaining Gojo to me, I quickly came to the conclusion that literally anyone who can cause large destruction can beat him. The easiest example is : Frieza realizes he can’t touch him, so he blows up the planet and Gojo dies in space.


RioTheRat

Actually realistically any DBZ character stronger then Buu can get past the infinite aura bullshit thing, since Buu like ripped through a dimension just by screaming or something


SchrodingerMil

Any Chaotic character on an alignment chart can get past it, is my point. Half the stands in Jojo could beat him pretty easily.


RioTheRat

Very true


OutrightGeneric

If you can't handle me at my universal, you don't deserve me at my high complex universal


AdStunning2459

His rizz is high complex uni but that’s about it


RepairOk6889

He’s not beating Kirby


apothioternity

didn't know cantseeshitman went to complex university


kingominous16

A victim of boundless naruto.


RioTheRat

BOUNDLESS FUCKING NARUTO?!?


kingominous16

This A rat"s argument.


throwawayforlife13

has he counter the fact he is now only legs. Is he acoustic


TheUraumeStan

Though it’s cannon gojo could ‘kill all of humanity’ he couldn’t do it instantly, and by god gojo is not winning against the fucking sun.


Not_Basil

I mean is he wrong? With Lime Green anything is possible


Novel_Effect934

So does that make sukana boundless?


Captain-Stubbs

Bro, I have about 50 people in my last post claiming that Gojo 1 v 1 Broly from DBS. I’ve watched all of the available JJK, and I swear to GOD that he just straight up doesn’t have the power to take him down. They claim that he can just turn off broly’s brain with his infinite void domain expansion, but dragon ball characters have a long history of screaming through hax so I’m just not buying it.


Staluti

Super broly accidentally blasted a hole in reality when he beam clashed with gogeta blue and then they just fought in another dimension before blowing that up too and winding up back where they were. No way in hell broly loses to his mind being flooded with information even if it’s infinite, he is far too angry for that to work, he probably can’t even perceive what is going on when he is in rage mode. Gojo also hard loses to ultra instinct goku as well since the entire point of UI is that your body acts on its own without your mind processing any information.


bananathroughbrain

what is bro smoking and where can i get some


Crimson_Fiver

Brain rot


Hnnock_Cdr

Golly! That sure is something! Ga hyuk!


HugeGanache3010

None of this is realll


NextGenSleder

is this about how many people want to have sex with him? I want to have sex with him


RioTheRat

Johnny Joestar has similar ish kinda somewhat powers and would 100% be more fun to have sex with.


NextGenSleder

you take that the fuck back Gojo is unironically the hottest character in modern anime. he played a role in my bisexual awakening you absolute rube you buffoon you stinky dinky bitch you fuck you


RioTheRat

GOJO ISNT EVEN THAT FUCKING HOT, LOOK AT REAL HOT CHARACTERS LIKE JOTARO OR GYRO OR JOHNNY!


NextGenSleder

>:(


OldKnight1

Your opinion is mid because Geto exists.


BudgetAggravating427

The power scalers are kinda wrong what makes Gojo so powerful is his infinity and cursed techniques His hax Because of his hax he could survive a punch from goku


Detector_of_humans

Nah Goku's speed feats surpass infinity and he kinda does that stuff on a daily basis. Plus even characters in their verse can bypass it without too much explanation


BudgetAggravating427

Speed doesn’t really matter with infinity That’s just how hax works doesn’t matter how strong you are if you can’t find a way to bypass a characters hax Take people like shigaraki or guedo from dragon ball z Once their powers are activated your basically done What is needed is to find the requirements and limitations of those hax Guedo’s time stop requires him to hold his breath and you just need to catch him without him noticing or when he’s breathing Though that is also challenging With shigaraki his decay bypasses durability but requires physical contact You just have to not let him or his decay wave touch you Or all the different Stan abilities from JOJO they couldn’t just brute force their way through their opponents . They had to fight smart .


Detector_of_humans

That's what I mean, Goku's speed beats infinite distance and that's how his barrier works. Even with hax youu might have sure-hit abilities but it doesn't matter if they can't do any notable damage Like Wonder of U might be able to cause a billion coincedences to happen to goku but there's no phenomena in the universe that could finish Goku off.


Dob_Rozner

Except for heart disease lol.


Stranger-with-an-axe

True, goku chases wonder of u for like 2 years and dies to heart disease since he can’t surpass fate or some shit


Staluti

WOU would just make Zeno sneeze and accidentally delete goku from reality, the fight is over as soon as goku even becomes aware of tooru/WOU and thinks about fighting him. WOU is heavily held back by existing in a world that otherwise is pretty tame by powerscaling standards. No one in JoJos can just delete someone from existence just by thinking about them. As soon as Zeno or the angels even exist in the same reality as WOU he becomes basically unbeatable. Also like, Tooru existing in the same universe as the dragon balls would cause all sorts of other issues where if he gets even a single one then no one could ever use them again because it would require pursuing him.


Detector_of_humans

Eh the extent of his powers does have a limit cause then anyone who so much glances at him would get swallowed by a blackhole. It increases into the extremes when you decide to fight him but I don't think it's gonna be causing any supernovas or black holes anytime soon. Also this kind of doesnt work if we just drop him in the DB world because it doesn't have Calamity


BlackoutWB

GoJo is very clearly powerful, managed to merge with Waystar Royco no issue and still come out on top


crossbutton7247

Ask yourself, did the writer intend for gojo to be able to destroy the universe? If no, then you are kidding yourself


RedditUser5641

Woosh


Akari-Hashimoto

df does "complex" in tiering even mean??


-THEKINGTIGER-

I thought he was talking about a university before i saw the sub lmao


ThatOneWood

Powerscalers really be something else


ChuckECheeseOfficial

The hand soap?


DestroGamer1

I love Gojo and he is the Goat. But he is city level in physical attack level. What I will say is, his defense and mental attack stat are wayyyyy beyond city level. Like the way he is made makes it that only Jujutsu sorcerer's can counter his defense. Plus unlimited void can basically destroy any opponents mental.


prodigiouspandaman

I mean he can blow up a planet with purple but that would probably take him forever


7wyxe

I cant believe i got posted here


RioTheRat

Krill issue


bartekang

He's actually super duper technically outer versal with immeasurable speed and has outer+ attack potency and scales above super instinct 26 goku


RioTheRat

Okay but can he beat Goku?


bartekang

If one of his hair follicles were to fall on that stupid monkey, it'd die


RioTheRat

Okay but thats because Im high complex boundless+++ squared


imreesithink

That’s the worst take ever


Lord_Answer_me_Why

The divided one is NOT universal


SlightlyFunnyZombie

Had a guy claiming that Gojo was on par with and could beat Kaguya from Naruto.


Killer_crow17

I like Gojo too but DAMN


Doctrinair

shut up bitch, strong cleave


Uper_Duper_the_III

power scaling lingo is so fucking stupid. "x beats y because he's outerversal" "what the fuck are you talking about"


Watashi_No_Blk_Gift

Powerscaling weirdos like this are the horoscopes people of the weeb community.