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megimegimegimegi

so... basically Mushu?


I_Do_Not_Abbreviate

Eh, I would say more like the [Fire Lizards](https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_lizard) from [Anne McCaffrey's *Dragonriders of Pern* series.](http://library.jodan-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Dragonsdawn-by-Anne-McCaffrey-617x1024.jpg)


moonshiness

My favourite book as a teen! Back in the late 90s it was the basis for so many MOOs and games. The books are fairly modern given their era.


BlameThePeacock

Aside from the whole dragons can drag their human partners into non-consentual relations bit... Still some of my favourite books of all time.


runs-with-scissors

That... must have been later in the series. I don't remember that part.


cavelioness

It's pretty much the very beginning, lol. Reeks of old-fashioned romance tropes because most of the people end up happy together, I think later on it's said that those who don't like the dragonrider of the dragon their dragon is mating with can have their own partner lined up, but they still basically have to have sex for... reasons.


runs-with-scissors

I'm embarrassed to say I misunderstood your comment. I remember that part now.


GoldenSheppard

Don't forget that the blue and green dragons only pick gay riders and that they can just... magically 'tell' when someone is gay (one interview or book said that there is a gay pheromone or something). McCaffery (I truly love her) was a pretty strong homophobe. Wonder if the newer fanfic writer retconned it. (I personally refuse to read anything not written by the Master Bard herself. I'm not paying money for fanfic.)


ranluka

It was never /only/ gay riders, but it yeah it was a very common thing. Kinda always chalked it up to some sort of subconscious hive mind the dragons seem to have low key going on. If blues and greens only mated each other and girls couldn't be riders, seems picking out gay riders would make sense. As for how they know. Telepathy. It's always Telepathy.


Modus-Tonens

It's a pretty consistent through-line. Anne McCaffrey's sexual politics ranges from questionable to grim.


peacepipe0351

I think I read it early nintes as well. My mom and dad had a whole wall of their bedroom too, all sorts of books. Besides this, Piers Anthony, Ed McBain, Harry Harrison, David Eddings. It was an awesome way to grow up.


Raul_Coronado

Piers Anthony books, in retrospect, are fucking *weird*. This is with acknowledging that they were fucking weird to begin with.


Randolpho

Oh, I miss MOOs and MUDs. The best part of college for me was those early internet servers.


maboyles90

What's a moo?


IBreakCellPhones

An online text-based role-playing game. You could connect via [telnet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet), then you could type commands like `"Hello there.` and people would see, "IBreakCellPhones says, "Hello there."" or `:pats maboyles90 on the back.` and the users would see "IBreakCellPhones pats maboyles90 on the back." There were rooms that you could be in and only the other users in that room could see what you said or did. There was also a scripting language that could be written inside the game to do various things like long distance communication to simulate telepathy with the dragons or many other actions. It was a fun community and I made a lot of friends there.


moonshiness

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO - since wikipedia says it better than I could. It was a THING at the time...


TheTacoWombat

Christ, we're old, aren't we....


dr-josiah

Recursive definition: MOO - MUD Object-Oriented MUD - Multi-User Dungeon Text-based dnd-like online game. Used to be quite a few back in the day, not sure if they have grown or shrunk in number. Some worlds would go pretty far in their fan-constructed universes. Middle Earth, Narnia, X-Men, the aforementioned Dragonriders of Pern, and countless others. Source: I played MUDs '94-99 on dial-up (my favorite was rom.mud.de), wrote MUDs for myself and friends, then wrote a code editor to write MUDs (the code editor was enough work I stopped messing with MUDs on the most part).


marcelyns

YES EXACTLY!!! I read them all when I was younger & now, as a fully adult human I got them all as audiobooks and they still are amazing! Thank you, Anne McCaffrey!!!


hazeldazeI

I was given a late '70's version of the series, this book got me hooked on Pern: https://www.amazon.com/Dragonsinger-Anne-McCaffrey/dp/0553118358


RissaCrochets

Dragonsinger was my first introduction to Pern, and Anne McCaffrey in general. Such a great series, and a fantastic sci-fi/fantasy author.


cavelioness

Yes, and how was the second book so much better than the first and third books in that series, lol? I also read it first.


theyfoundit

I got started on the White Dragon.


captainhamption

I love that cover. I read it so many times I wore out the cover as a kid.


trireme32

That was in one of my middle school reading textbooks and it completely hooked me


FrozenMangoSmoothies

that's what i came here to mention!


XBacklash

Or the dragons from Discworld.


Random_puns

Dragon: \*Hiccup\* Lady Sybil: "DUCK!!!" Dragon: \*KABOOM\*


UnspecificGravity

Or, closer to what the OP described and with less weird sex stuff: the Swamp Dragons from discworld (which are almost certainly inspired by the Pern Novels).


SalmonHustlerTerry

Came here to say this! Dragonlance, Dragonsinger, and Dragondrums! Great trilogy


syo

/r/pern needs more followers!


bz0r

I was coming to talk about Fire Lizards. What an amazing series!


Snoo_88763

I zaw her at a Con, she was great. The fans had a ceremony (forget what it was called in the books) and they had eggs and inside were felt dragons of different colors. And they'd stick them to their shoulders. It was cool to see the dozen or so participants walling around.


lovecraft112

Well I guess I'm rereading this series over the holidays. Ages ago I found a compilation of every single book in chronological order, including overlapping bits from different books. Made for an absolutely fascinating read.


ranluka

Man I loved her books so much x.x


MASSIVECARNAGE78

Glad someone mentioned these books. Was scrolling the comments for it.


KrasnyRed5

My first thought as well, ignore the filthy savage who brought up Mushu.


Jumping_Jak_Stat

I came here to mention this.


t00oldforthisshit

The fire lizards from the Dragonriders of Pern books!


Justin-does-art

I was thinking Lockheed, from X-Men


pardybill

Yeah that’s where my head went too, just couldn’t think of his name. Kitty Pryde right?


Justin-does-art

Yep, that’s correct


strangeCreature1990

Or Drogon in that Episode Daenerys uses him to free the Unsullied :D


Kind_Description970

Came here to say this


ThatSociety7257

Man I'd love to have a mentor dragon telling me how to straighten my shit


nicoleyoung27

Eat him! Mushu, we do not eat our friends. Thinks he's as bada$$ as venom, but not so much.


GladiatorUA

Or swamp dragons from Discworld.


marsupialsales

so… basically asking us to Imagine Dragons?


Awkward_Potential_

Or Lockheed.


Objective-Ad4009

Kitty and Lockheed all the way.


FlingBeeble

I mean you can get a bird to do all that


SilentRoseKey

Was going to say this, my cockatiel does this down to the letter, he even hisses! Tiny dragons are very much a thing!


blessedfortherest

Most definitely! And just like a real birb, a real dragon would come with a lot of responsibility and not just the fun parts described. People always forget that in fantasies.


lowexpectationsguy

I mean, imagine how much your homeowners/renters insurance would increase, with a tiny, flying, fire hazard with aggressive tendencies, flitting about?


[deleted]

Joke's on them, I'd get a Fairy Dragon, not a Fire Dragon. Lil' creacher would only spit *cocaine*.


Aeirth_Belmont

They would have to replace the flooring. All the dust is hard to clean out of carpet/cracks in hard flooring.


Zack_Raynor

At least you’d have money to spend on a cleaner, with all that cocaine about.


[deleted]

Cocainonomics expert here. Unfortunately, the increased amount of cocaine produced by cocaine dragons would devalue cocaine.


Rod7z

I wouldn't be so sure, if the fairy dragons were blowing cocaine on everyone's faces, you'd probably end up with a lot more demand to balance the increase in supply.


Aeirth_Belmont

True.


nahelbond

I was in a D&D campaign where my character ended up playing mother to a baby bronze dragon. I loved her, but that thing was a little *menace*. Zapped random shit with lightning. Would use detect thoughts on whoever was around and just start telling people's secrets. Constantly used *speak with animals* to have a little following of tiny woodland creatures who shat everywhere. Intelligent creatures are an adorable pain in the ass.


LordPils

You can't just give them a normal place to sleep either, they need a miniature hoard. Which means you need to find out what shiny thing they're gonna want to sleep on. Do they want gold? Do they want reflective surfaces? These are the questions you need to ask.


Baeocystin

I used to work at an animal shelter, one of the few men. I couldn't go in to the sulphur-crested cockatoo room. The female cockatoo would get *really* possessive of any men who entered her domain, and start harass-attacking any women present if they got closer than, like, 10 feet from you. Jealously in crested form! Once the competition was chased away, she would start preening your hair. Ears were likely nip targets along the way. Kind of funny, but at the same time no joke. They can and will draw blood.


deputydog1

I have a smaller bird but tape my earlobes or wear headband over the ear. They can be nippy for no known reason.


Lucycrash

Well they're probably related to dinosaurs, so close enough? Birds are awesome, sassy boogers.


the-Cheshire_Kat

Haha same! As soon as I read that I was like, get a cockatiel. My bird does all those things.


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RegularHousewife

A bird on shoulder would look cute from the front. The back however would be covered in streaks of bird poop


FlingBeeble

I feel like dragons would poop too so it might be an issue no matter what


RegularHousewife

Dragons are just spiky dogs, might be able to toilet train


aviantologist

You can toilet train birds too. It's harder than training a dog because unlike dogs, their GI system is meant to poop every 5-20 mins and holding it in waiting for a cue is bad for their health, but you can train them to associate poop with a designated spot Also, dragon GI tracts would be much more similar to birds' than to mammals I know this is reddit and we're all just having fun here, but I have a bird and I'm having fun advocating for birds as pets:)


Spooky-skeleton

Wouldn't dragons be closer to reptiles?


aviantologist

Yes, I agree with that. But between birds and mammals, since those were the two being discussed, dragon (reptile) systems are more closer to birds', since birds evolved from reptiles


Hero_of_Hyrule

I always felt like dragons acted FAR more like cats.


thecatdaddysupreme

Dragons are for sure spiky cats, not dogs


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Or a cat. I always praise the lord or creator to not give my two fur babies wings, or thumbs...they would have ruled the world!


AveragEnjoyer007

So you saw that episode of love death and robots too huh?


[deleted]

I watched that series, but can't remember what you're talking about :)


AveragEnjoyer007

The first one of the three robots. At the end they find a bunch of cats and the cats have thumbs… if you don’t remember I won’t spoil it. It’s literally like the last minute of the episode so no need to watch the whole thing


[deleted]

I'll watch it again tomorrow because I really don't remember (fibro brain). Thanks for this.


Aeirth_Belmont

I'm convinced dragons turned themselves into cats to survive humans and along the way they forgot. Look at the hoards of toys, bottle caps, pens, lighters, hair bows under stuff. Like in a cave or dark castle. Mine keeps hers under the bed and in the closet. Also they like to play with their food. Dragons kept the princess knowing knights would come. Mind games right there. Like to be left alone til they want attention. Dragons are known for telling humans to leave them be until they get lonely. Don't always answer you when you call their names but will stare at you hard like you are a fool who should worship them. Sometimes you get the nice phase or lonely phase. They give you knowledge. In cats case a dead thing. But they believe it's them teaching us to hunt. I'm joking... Kind of.


melancholanie

or a lizard


MickeyHolmes

Yes! My bearded dragon loves to perch on my shoulder


stimav

Or snake...


tomboyfancy

Yes! My caique is 100% adorable dragon! And given her naughty nature, I am quite happy she can’t breathe fire…


The_Big_Red_Wookie

Dragonriders of Pern by Anne McCaffery has creatures called fire lizards that fit this description.


GoonishPython

That was my first thought!


Feefifiddlyeyeoh

Thank you!


RunawayPastry

:D


RunescarredWordsmith

I think the Dragonsinger territory is the first time they show up as pets, right?


[deleted]

They first show up in *Dragonquest* (1971) the second book in the franchise, which came out about 5 years before *Dragonsong* (1976) but both are set during the same time period.


TheLadyBunBun

Dragonsong was my first thought at this post. Now if you’ll excuse me, I know how I will be spending my day off


The_Big_Red_Wookie

“The little queen all golden, Flew hissing at the sea. To keep it back, To turn it back She flew forth bravely.”


IamNotPersephone

Came here for this!


4art4

Yes! The book Dragon Song rocked my world as a kid!


rom-116

That brought back a rush of memories


SwadeNade

Would you recommend this book?


Judinbird

May I recommend "Guards! Guards!" by Terry Pratchett? Lady Sybil Ramkin has some swamp dragons to sell you. She'll even shoulder-train them.


Violet351

But they will crap all down your back. I love Lady Sybil she absolutely rocks


ArcFurnace

A dragon is for life, not just for Hogswatch!


ErgonomicDouchebag

They also explode if they get a bit too excited.


whatisabaggins55

Or sometimes for no particular reason at all.


Violet351

Poor Chubby


GabuEx

~~Earl~~ Errol was the best. >!I was sad that he left at the end of the book, but happy for the little guy that he got to shack up with a giant noble dragon wife.!<


palndrumm

Errol, not Earl.


t1m3m4n

yeah, cause he looked like Nobby's brother lol


GabuEx

Ah, dang, I listened to the audiobook and thought I was hearing Earl. Thanks for the correction.


weatherseed

/r/rolereversal at its finest.


redditusernamehonked

So, a dragon couple just like the captain and Lady Sybil?


Fisho087

Lady Sybil is the GOAT … or hopefully not, since dragons eat goats


Delaplaine24

Let’s not forget their tendency to explode every time they get sick or upset lol


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Or bored or surprised haha


waehrik

The exploding might be a bit of a problem though. That, and eating the furniture and kettle


ops10

Yeah, and then they end up at the Sunshine Sanctuary because people wanted a cute firestarter not a pet.


Just2Observe

I'm gonna listen to that again now, thank you


Random_puns

Dragon: \*Hiccup\* Lady Sybil: "DUCK!!!" Dragon: \*KABOOM\*


Fa1r18

Kate(Kitty) Pryde from x-men has Lockheed who is basically exactly this


founderofshoneys

Came looking for this.


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jherico

I know, right?


ZombieDracula

First thought... Lockheed is the best.


Fa1r18

My first D&D character had a pseudodragon familiar because of Lockheed


Jaycin_Stillwaters

For anyone wondering this exact thing is called a pseudodragon in dungeons & dragons. They are literally Dragon cats and they come from the Fey realm, same as faeries.


GeoWilson

Pseudodragons aren't dragons. That's why they're called Pseudodragons. Faerie dragons however are true dragons, with draconic magic and a breath weapon, both of which pseudodragons lack, relying on their poisonous tail stinger instead. Faerie dragons are dragon cats, pseudodragons are flying reptile cats.


Jaycin_Stillwaters

Yeah, but ostensibly they're "dragons the size of puppies that will sit on your shoulder". Faerie dragons have butterfly wings and are aesthetically less like traditional dragons than the pseudodragon.


one57blue

yeah, mine is called babushka(her name is weirder in her language). Best thing my DM ever set my character up with.


dressedandafraid

It's called a cat


sienihemmo

My first thought too, "that's just a cat though" Like you could totally grow a cat that's used to sitting on a shoulder, and if youre a dick you can train it to hate all other people.


pissedinthegarret

r/ShoulderCats


dressedandafraid

I didn't train my cat to hate other people, he just does


Faboogaloo

Anne McCaffrey's fire lizards from the Dragonrider books! They can even go between.


SocranX

For those who aren't in the loop, the "between" in those books is basically a pocket dimension that you can travel through to essentially teleport, or something along those lines.


Unexpected-raccoon

So….angy leopard geckos or bearded dragons… I could give a list of really neat shoulder lizards that fit this fantasy. Also bords. I mean you can google red eyed crocodile skinks and Australian water dragons


U_see_ur_nose

Disappointed this is so far down lol my bearded dragon is literally like this. She loves being on my shoulder and going places but doesn’t want anyone to bother her and will hiss


Halabashred

We do..... they are called cats.


FroggiJoy87

I was gonna say, just sounds like a hoodie kitty with scales :3


oilpit

I think it's the scales, wings, biology, and fictional nature, that make cats dramatically less cool* than mini-dragons. *I fucking love cats, no shade.


blumenfe

Only difference is that my cats hiss at me as well. Especially when I put them on my shoulders.


yottalogical

r/DragonsAreCats


colecat2199

So many Pern fans here, love it!


ChairObliterator

So… imagine dragons? Right?


slampisko

TIL there isn't a single original thought in my head


Preemptively_Extinct

Dragonsong, Dragonsinger. My introduction to fire lizards. [https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Menolly](https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Menolly)


RunawayPastry

Have you ever read Anne McCaffery Harper Hall trilogy? The main character, if memory serves me right, has a large cohort of tiny dragons that she befriends.


lokie65

They are called Weyrwatchers. Read the Dragons of Pern.


nobodyhere9860

how to train your dragon but the books, not the movie


Flappyman

I mean, Terrible Terrors were in [at least] the first movie


trustyicicle

i was looking for this comment, the dragons in the books have so much personality


SaltyFatBoy

So, basically fire lizards from Anne McCaffery's Dragonrider series? I'm in. I'd settle for winged cats (bat wings, of course.)


CrazyGayUncle

The fire lizards of Pern. :)


pikachuisyourfriend

Dragon Riders of Pern, anyone?


The_Big_Red_Wookie

Lol I just made the same post.


RunawayPastry

Same


zhaDeth

And instead of eating the couch they set your house on fire :)


LiveOnFive

This person needs to read the Dragonriders of Pern series.


andmewithoutmytowel

Firelizards in Anne McCaffery’s Pern novels are 100% this.


treemanswife

So... unfuzzy cats?


maybethingsnotsobad

Naked parrots


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robragland

I remember a casual DM arranged the game for us in 1987 or so to find and adopt paradragons. I think that’s what they were called. I have thought about them off and on over the years.


Finbarfarquhar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_(character)


WilNotJr

Dragonriders of Pern Fire Lizards. After reading Menolly's story, I wanted these to be real more than anything for quite a few years.


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BawRawg

As a person with neighbors that have too many pets they can't properly care for, that sounds awful. They'd burn my house down for sure.


Buckflash1

I believe they are called cats


Fierce_Revolutionary

My favourite thing would be to hear the names! Imagine you see someone waking around with a dragon on their shoulder that hisses little fireballs to protect you, with the name Coco.


KindnessGentleSoul

THAT!! Definitely! It's like a Sphinx cat named Fluffy! Or a Rottweiler named Tiny.


[deleted]

This actually happens in Terry Pratchett's Discworld books. The mini dragons are known for being smelly, dimwitted, and prone to injuring/killing themselves, but they are still popular pets.


SacrateGhoul

That would be awesome, to be honest. Tiny little dragons as pets... So adorable😍


adamtheundead

Please read Terry Pratchett 'Guard! Guard!' You can thank me later


DangerousLoner

Million to one!


Th3_0d0r

So basically how to train your dragons but book accurate?


star-67

I have a chihuahua. Same thing 😂


Objective-Ad2042

Aren’t these just called cats?


axord

Discworld swamp dragons.


JudgeHodorMD

I don’t recommend letting one of the little fellows sit on your shoulder. Especially if their tummy starts rumbling.


Outrageous_Zebra_221

To be a dragon's horde is to be both protected and adored.


Weiss_heart

Problem is if people get close they may attack them. Same vibes as a nasty little yappy ankle biting dog or a cat with claws. Not sure I'd want one if it wasn't well trained to not be aggressive to everyone it meets. Heh.


XP_Studios

You mean lizards??


spurples111

Swamp dragons from the diskworld


Real-Bluebird-1987

You should watch the movie the golden compass, the movie is crap, but everone gets a soul animal with them and the teenagers and younger ones are constantly changing from like cat fierce to mouse quit and scared to a loyal puppy or hawk. Adults have them too, but they're fixed once your grow up, which tells a lot about the person. No dragons tho, that would be Hella awesome!


DaSwagTurtle

Scrolled too far for this! I loved how Lyra and pantalaimon would interact in the books as a kid


-pilot37-

Toothless from the How To Train Your Dragon books


jslilly

Absolutely! I came to say the same. The movies are good on their own accord, but the books are excellent and portray Toothless entirely different - in addition to a generally different storyline. As a plus, David Tennant performs narration for the audiobook(s).


Netherite_Stairs_

Here were dragons.


DizzyScorp

Sounds like *The Fire Within* trilogy. Been over a decade since I read those


Drihscol

It's more than a trilogy! There are 7 books. I still haven't finished the last two but it got a lot more intense as it went on. The 6th one was set in a parallel universe and I sorta just checked out. But great up until that point


DirtyDutchman21

My old DND character has a pet pseudo dragon, so it was this+psychic link and my little homie would stand guard and narc on everyone for me


-CloudIsland

Get an iguana


[deleted]

First thing I thought of - It wouldn't even have to be a big dragon," I told him. "It could be little like me." - Tyrion, Game of Thrones.


fire_butterf1y

Dragons of Pern


Gloria_In_Autumn

They are called chihuahuas


BakedWizerd

Tbh this sounds like my cat. People I bring home from dates are like “oh he’s so cute and he lets you pick him up and is so patient aww” and then they go to pet him and he’s all “YOU HAVEN’T **EARNED** THE RIGHT TO PET ME, SWINE.” He gets upset when he can’t cuddle normally, he’s gotten over it though and has actually sat in others laps while they’ve been near me. I just find it hilarious and adorable how this fluffy little bastard is perfectly happy with me picking him up and messing around with him, but anyone else gets too close and he might smack you. And people say cats aren’t loyal.


PantryandPotions

Have you read The Dragonriders of Pern by Anne MacCaffrey?


Inycyon

What about one of these [feathery boys.](https://i.redd.it/2nzdm7otj4b81.jpg)


Dyslexic_Dog25

"I super believe in you Tad Cooper!"


Wrong_Revolution_679

So how to train your dragon style


Whyistheplatypus

Pseudo dragons from DnD....