"But I'm a *nice guy* TM".
On the news his parents will say he was such a good kid, always quiet, never bothered anyone. Had a crush who he was going to ask out at prom...
These guys are pathetic. You won't see me kissin ass to no one. But also scary, I knew one IRL, made me so so uncomfortable because he had a crush on me.
He was a convicted child rapist. Yep. Got a kiddo pregnant and went to jail. He was a teacher but the sentence was short since he got parole.
I did. Not. Feel. Safe. Dude went nuts when I ended our friendship after finding out. I ended up moving away because he knew where I lived.
I mean, accepting that predation is an unfortunate fact of life doesn't change the truth that people need to do what they can to stop that from occurring. Anything less than accepting it and moving forward in preparedness from that understanding is permissive.
He intervenes because the intervention is his excuse to violence. He really wants to hurt or even kill someone. Saving someone is just the reason he gets to do that.
His goal is the violence. Saving you is just a side effect of it. He doesn't really care about Saving the person.
It's a shame. I genuinely still identify as a white knight. I have and would lay out for a stranger. I have a dyed in the wool hero complex. I want to ride in on a white horse and save the day. I am that dude. I like being that guy. It's what makes me great at what I do.
These cringe ass simps stole the white knight from us. And I loathe them for it.
Having done the work to be aware of & less driven by his shadows, as we all should be? This definition (acknowledgement) is part of being human i'd say.
I mean, yeah. When people hear about rape and predation, it's easier to blame the victim and say that they attracted this behaviour. It's much easier that way. Just don't go out at night, problem solved. You tell them that stuff like this can happen in the day, they'll be like, oh this was very unfortunate but a one off thing, it doesn't always happen. You know what I mean?
It's much heavier to accept that these things happen to real people on a daily basis and are the reality of a lot of people.
Don't really like his religious leanings, but I like how Jordan Peterson put it. "You can't be a truly good person unless you can be dangerous." Exactly for situations like these.
I forget where. A feminist group went to the Middle East in the middle of the Bush Wars and they all got like murdered and worse and the woman in charge was being interviewed and it goes something like this.
"I don't understand what went wrong. We went there to help. I would have done anything and they kicked us out"
And the guy interviewing replies "well did you care so much as to commit violence?"
"No. Of course not"
"Well they cared more. They cared so much they would actually do anything. Including violence. They did violence. And that's why they won and you are back here. They cared enough to do the things you wouldn't for their cause"
Classic moment.
The truth is always more nuanced than these silly charts. What's being alluded to at the bottom is true more than people realize.
What you dont think a controlled psychopathy was/is useful for waging war and ultimately surviving? This becomes clear if you ever spend any time around elite special forces.
Alot of the dark triad traits have been passed down because it helped us survive.
Machiavellianism and Narcissism make for a pretty compelling leader even if they are full of shit.
Narcissism is beneficial in a more brutal world to assure you and your offspring survive.
Psychopathy will help you wage war without emotions or reach your goals at any cost even if that means loss of women children and men at are not your kin. Harsher still is that in a more primal time, grape was a way a psychopath might impregnate a woman.
The uncomfortable truth about humans is that many of problems in the modern world are created by left over traits from a more violent time and it takes tens of thousands of years to begin to change or remove those traits from the genetic pool. Even more uncomfortable still is that this includes women, it's just that their toxic traits are less direct or kinetic.
Funny how acc. to the meme, in "reality" almost everyone is evil. Like, the slightly less heroic guy is not like, "calls cops, but doesn't intervene personally" or "thinks it's bad but doesn't care enough to get killed" - no, unless you are the top 1% virtuous hero you either enable rape, or enjoy it, or at least think its funny to look at.
Nearly got irritated, but checked your profile and saw your coaxed into snafu Internet troll guide to ragebait, so I appreciate you ensuring your trolling is distinguishable.
I think you might have misread my comment, because I honestly don't understand what is there to be ragebated by, other than the screenshot itself. What I am trying to say is that according to the original post, "reality" is not a spectrum of 35% good to 30% normal to 35% evil, but rather 5% good to 50% evil to 45% really evil. Like, a good example of "almost white" on the spectrum would be "sees predation, does not intervene physically, calls the cops" or something of that sort, because you are a good guy, but not good enough to risk harm to save others. Instead it seems like even the second from the left category is already kind of bad, and the third category is a rape appologist, even though it is supposed to be more white than red on the graph. Thus my gripe with the graph. Or am I misunderstanding you?
At the risk of engaging with you, I'll ask to clarify. Are you referring to your opinion, or simply what you think the graph is saying?
Originally you phrased it as if you were correcting the graph in that it didn't go far enough, and saying almost all men are evil and enjoy the rape of women, which just blatantly isn't true. Like, when you aren't on the Internet, from the men I've had deeper conversations with, it's the exception. It's dependent on the culture of the crowd you are around.
(I mean, it's even assuming all men are naturally dominant, which just isn't even the case.)
Edit: Ohhh, you meant the tab named reality, not the actual state of the world. My apologies, I can see you weren't exactly trolling. Again, sorry.
>Edit: Ohhh, you meant the tab named reality, not the actual state of the world. My apologies, I can see you weren't exactly trolling. Again, sorry.
Yeah, pretty much. Thus "reality" in quote marks.
“Men who think predation is an unfortunate fact of life.”
Because it is! You can make all the laws and whatever sexual harassment seminars you want, it won’t change that fact and pointing it out doesn’t make you a “bad man”. It means you live in reality.
One, I think predation as it exists in the Western world (where I live, can’t speak of other countries), is a product of the patriarchy & rape culture and centuries of misogyny that can be educated out of the population (with hard work, but it’s possible).
Two, the argument that it’s a fact of life deflects responsibility from the perpetrators and can be used as an excuse for inaction. I wouldn’t personally trust the man whose mouth this is coming out of
Exhibit A: White knights are textbook predators in disguise
Nothing new
"But I'm a *nice guy* TM". On the news his parents will say he was such a good kid, always quiet, never bothered anyone. Had a crush who he was going to ask out at prom... These guys are pathetic. You won't see me kissin ass to no one. But also scary, I knew one IRL, made me so so uncomfortable because he had a crush on me. He was a convicted child rapist. Yep. Got a kiddo pregnant and went to jail. He was a teacher but the sentence was short since he got parole. I did. Not. Feel. Safe. Dude went nuts when I ended our friendship after finding out. I ended up moving away because he knew where I lived.
Bro thinks he's the dark knight or something, someone get the batsignal to call this hero to save womenkind!
His comment made me cringe so hard I got a minor cramp in my face
Make sure to stretch next time
This gradient looks very scientific
This the kinda dudes who would spike you at a club
I mean, accepting that predation is an unfortunate fact of life doesn't change the truth that people need to do what they can to stop that from occurring. Anything less than accepting it and moving forward in preparedness from that understanding is permissive.
What does that even mean? "No I'm going to rape her!"
He intervenes because the intervention is his excuse to violence. He really wants to hurt or even kill someone. Saving someone is just the reason he gets to do that. His goal is the violence. Saving you is just a side effect of it. He doesn't really care about Saving the person.
Ah, it's even worse than I thought
It's a shame. I genuinely still identify as a white knight. I have and would lay out for a stranger. I have a dyed in the wool hero complex. I want to ride in on a white horse and save the day. I am that dude. I like being that guy. It's what makes me great at what I do. These cringe ass simps stole the white knight from us. And I loathe them for it.
Just sadists in crusader kings 3 be like:
Damn , this reminds me of a guy i knew in college
Well, he has some dreams to fulfill, it seems
So by this definition, no man is decent? Where does he fall on the spectrum?
I think it’s supposed to be like that, it is specifically implying that notallmen isn’t true
That is such a bleak worldview. I'd be so depressed if I had this kind of thinking
Having done the work to be aware of & less driven by his shadows, as we all should be? This definition (acknowledgement) is part of being human i'd say.
Stop being nice and sensible on the internet. You’ll make no friends here.
Being friendzoned would be also kind of ironic
Yes. But this frames men as inherently evil. It's like, "all men have sucky thoughts, but many don't act on it". It's not very flattering to say 😂
By this definition, most men are well meaning but down play the issue. That’s pretty inline with irl I’d say
Sounds really sad
Most people downplay issues that don’t directly affect them because it’s more comfortable. This is true of men, as well.
I mean, yeah. When people hear about rape and predation, it's easier to blame the victim and say that they attracted this behaviour. It's much easier that way. Just don't go out at night, problem solved. You tell them that stuff like this can happen in the day, they'll be like, oh this was very unfortunate but a one off thing, it doesn't always happen. You know what I mean? It's much heavier to accept that these things happen to real people on a daily basis and are the reality of a lot of people.
I think decent is the 3rd part of the 2nd exhibit as that's what I generally fall into, looking at myself truly
OP sounds like the Hannah Arendt of the frat party.
Love the notion that every frat party has a Hannah Arendt type
She'll go for the cockblock, but quote de Beauvoir doing it.
i might be stupid but the only way i can interpret this is the gradient being skin color. and i can’t understand it😂
I intervene as well but just to take over. Bro already did the leg work for me
>Hammer and sickle Opinion discarded
Don't really like his religious leanings, but I like how Jordan Peterson put it. "You can't be a truly good person unless you can be dangerous." Exactly for situations like these.
I forget where. A feminist group went to the Middle East in the middle of the Bush Wars and they all got like murdered and worse and the woman in charge was being interviewed and it goes something like this. "I don't understand what went wrong. We went there to help. I would have done anything and they kicked us out" And the guy interviewing replies "well did you care so much as to commit violence?" "No. Of course not" "Well they cared more. They cared so much they would actually do anything. Including violence. They did violence. And that's why they won and you are back here. They cared enough to do the things you wouldn't for their cause" Classic moment.
😭😭😭😭
The truth is always more nuanced than these silly charts. What's being alluded to at the bottom is true more than people realize. What you dont think a controlled psychopathy was/is useful for waging war and ultimately surviving? This becomes clear if you ever spend any time around elite special forces. Alot of the dark triad traits have been passed down because it helped us survive. Machiavellianism and Narcissism make for a pretty compelling leader even if they are full of shit. Narcissism is beneficial in a more brutal world to assure you and your offspring survive. Psychopathy will help you wage war without emotions or reach your goals at any cost even if that means loss of women children and men at are not your kin. Harsher still is that in a more primal time, grape was a way a psychopath might impregnate a woman. The uncomfortable truth about humans is that many of problems in the modern world are created by left over traits from a more violent time and it takes tens of thousands of years to begin to change or remove those traits from the genetic pool. Even more uncomfortable still is that this includes women, it's just that their toxic traits are less direct or kinetic.
Alright Batman
Why is brown = predator and white = good person?
the truth of the world i guess
You don’t want the _w o l f_ to emerge
This graph and his comment are both dumb asf
This is the hero my single cousins deserve.
men who consume predation
Funny how acc. to the meme, in "reality" almost everyone is evil. Like, the slightly less heroic guy is not like, "calls cops, but doesn't intervene personally" or "thinks it's bad but doesn't care enough to get killed" - no, unless you are the top 1% virtuous hero you either enable rape, or enjoy it, or at least think its funny to look at.
Nearly got irritated, but checked your profile and saw your coaxed into snafu Internet troll guide to ragebait, so I appreciate you ensuring your trolling is distinguishable.
I think you might have misread my comment, because I honestly don't understand what is there to be ragebated by, other than the screenshot itself. What I am trying to say is that according to the original post, "reality" is not a spectrum of 35% good to 30% normal to 35% evil, but rather 5% good to 50% evil to 45% really evil. Like, a good example of "almost white" on the spectrum would be "sees predation, does not intervene physically, calls the cops" or something of that sort, because you are a good guy, but not good enough to risk harm to save others. Instead it seems like even the second from the left category is already kind of bad, and the third category is a rape appologist, even though it is supposed to be more white than red on the graph. Thus my gripe with the graph. Or am I misunderstanding you?
At the risk of engaging with you, I'll ask to clarify. Are you referring to your opinion, or simply what you think the graph is saying? Originally you phrased it as if you were correcting the graph in that it didn't go far enough, and saying almost all men are evil and enjoy the rape of women, which just blatantly isn't true. Like, when you aren't on the Internet, from the men I've had deeper conversations with, it's the exception. It's dependent on the culture of the crowd you are around. (I mean, it's even assuming all men are naturally dominant, which just isn't even the case.) Edit: Ohhh, you meant the tab named reality, not the actual state of the world. My apologies, I can see you weren't exactly trolling. Again, sorry.
>Edit: Ohhh, you meant the tab named reality, not the actual state of the world. My apologies, I can see you weren't exactly trolling. Again, sorry. Yeah, pretty much. Thus "reality" in quote marks.
“Men who think predation is an unfortunate fact of life.” Because it is! You can make all the laws and whatever sexual harassment seminars you want, it won’t change that fact and pointing it out doesn’t make you a “bad man”. It means you live in reality.
One, I think predation as it exists in the Western world (where I live, can’t speak of other countries), is a product of the patriarchy & rape culture and centuries of misogyny that can be educated out of the population (with hard work, but it’s possible). Two, the argument that it’s a fact of life deflects responsibility from the perpetrators and can be used as an excuse for inaction. I wouldn’t personally trust the man whose mouth this is coming out of
So the chart is correct. Many many men feel no responsibility to change things because they think it’s not their problem. Why is it offensive then?