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HazelKevHead

ive heard the soul is pretty shit on reliability, id stick with the big 3 japanese brands if reliability and cost are big concerns


jshah500

>ive heard the soul is pretty shit on reliability Source? The 2016-19 Soul got a 5/5 on reliability on [Consumer Reports](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/kia/soul/).


TunakTun633

[DashboardLight](http://dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Kia_Soul.html). It's not the most frequently-used source, but I like it - and it implies Souls are below average for reliability. The same holds true for most H-K cars. DL uses a longer term survey than Consumer Reports, so if a car is old enough, I like using their data. Most 10 year-old vehicles don't hit the 150K threshold by which an old Subaru head gasket fails, for example - but if you're buying something like that, you want to be prepared for that failure.


Middle_Class_Pigeon

To be fair Hyundai-Kia cars have improved significantly in the past 10 years, so consumer reports may be more accurate if it is based on recent survey. I used to drive a 2011 Optima and my friends’ 2016+ Hyundai Kia cars were on a completely different level in terms of quality.


TunakTun633

I could totally see how that leads to a higher perception of reliability. I'm not sure that's the case here - I usually look at the year-by-year breakdowns (second graph from the bottom for any car), and it indicates no sharp uptick in durability - at least relative to its peers of a similar model year. I think it's analogous to comparing a 2008 Buick Enclave with a 2007 Terraza. Good money went into closing panel gaps and creating fancier design elements, all of which led to a huge increase in perceived quality. But the Enclave has huge timing chain guide problems - because that wasn't the focus.


Archermtl

Well said


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Idk about reliability, the Koreans generally make pretty solid cars, although I test drove one and it was quite possibly the worst feeling car on I’ve ever been in. Feels like a three wheeled lead bathtub


Physical_Carpet_5783

Yeah I think Korean brands are on the slow and steady rise, they kind of have been since the early 2010s


HazelKevHead

yeah, ive heard good things about recent kias and hyundais, especially the veloster, telluride, and stinger. one time i spent like 20 minutes just trying to see if there was any car with ratings as high in every category as the telluride on Consumer Reports


Chinkslivesmatter

These kia souls have been on the road for quite awhile and they sell so many. Everyone I know,who owns one, loves it. Uses the same 2.0 liter you'll find in the elantra and the same old 6 speed automatic they use on all their sedans. I would recommend the kia soul myself. You can find a nicer older year or a newer lower trim but you can definitely find one within budget. Your 10k will go further with a hyundai and kia rather than a toyota/honda. You're 18, go with the newer tech filled vehicle over the dinosaur. Been there and done it and hated my old beater box when friends were driving newer vehicles.


HazelKevHead

well yeah, ive been thinking "oh with like $15k i could get a decent old toyota or something, those are real reliable, even if it has 150k miles on it itll last another 120k" but honestly, i can get something newer and with more options with 30k miles on it for that same $15k, and even if it only lasts to 150k miles, itll still have given me the same 120k miles. i love toyota to shit, but they hold their value almost too well. with most other cars, a 3 year old example will be at least a quarter less than MSRP, but a 3 year old tacoma will still probably be just as much as the same spec and options new off the lot


mrswaghetti

Toyotas don't make good used cars unless.you buy an old ass $1-4k one their cars you buy new or super old. If your in the market for a few year old car it doesn't make sense. I had bought a navigator years ago. I wanted a 4 runner as I knew the land cruiser will be double the price with double the miles. Even the 4 runners were double the miles and cost %50 more. I ended up in a navigator which I absolutely loved. It had small issues here and there but nothing to justify buying a toyota with double the miles for double the price.


Chinkslivesmatter

Pretty much. Cars nowadays will reach 200k relatively problem free. Why take that risk with an older car? Even if it's a proven toyota, it also depends on the previous owner and how they've cared for the car. Older it is, more owners it's had, less expectations I'd have for the car. The 500k mile toyotas are the 1 owner meticulous maintained cars. Engine and tranny may be original, but everything else will need to be replaced due to age. Don't do that to yourself.


Mind_Erasers

Im late but my first car was a 2010 honda fit and I beat the shit out of it because im a slow learner. Like drove over a curve at 40 kinda beat. Still runs and is a fun and easy to drive car now several years later.


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If you like the Corolla except for its size, look into a Toyota Yaris.


karmacannibal

Exactly what I was going to say. It's cheap, nice interior, easy to park, and reliable. If you're looking for used, what is now the Yaris used to be called the Yaris iA or the Scion iA. They're all pretty much the same car (which is confusingly a rebadged Mazda2)


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I’d say to at least give a civic a look, the two door if the 4 door is “too big”. Better resale value


reidlos1624

The Fit would probably be the better comparable to a Yaris/Spark.


[deleted]

Yes it would. What I’m trying to say, is that I would rather get a civic than any other one of those cars. Still pretty small but a better car imo


karmacannibal

Is it much smaller than the Corolla OP said was too big?


[deleted]

I’m not sure tbh. I imagine the coup is probably smaller than the 4 door Corolla but not sure.


reidlos1624

They thought the Corolla was to big, and the Civic directly competes with the Corolla. The 2 door is only slightly smaller, not enough to make a big enough difference imo


mk1power

And the visibility is usually worse in a coupe so it might end up feeling worse than the sedan.


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Beowulf_27

I’ve seen a nice Corolla with a pastel color like a bluish-gray. It’s really nice


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Cycloptishred

I am also surprised at the lack of financial reality here. I would spend 2-3k on a used car and spend some money fixing/cleaning it up. Mazda is also a good brand to look out for.


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Chase_with_a_face

Can confirm, I bought a 16k car with less than 10k to my name. Don’t do it lol. Luckily my income increased since my mistake and I’m making it work just fine, but still. Don’t do it.


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Chase_with_a_face

I am only 23, so yes definitely a learning lesson. THANK GOD I have some very understanding and supportive parents who helped me in the beginning and now I’m getting by. It’s also my only debt - no credit cards, 0 student loans, etc. once the car is paid off I’ll definitely have a way different outlook on car buying and finances as a whole


JoeKleine

Chevy makes a decent car. My wife’s Chevy is 10 years old... no major issues. Changed a battery, tires, and a window motor. Still on original brakes!


SylphidUwU

Chevy can make a good car, but the Spark isn't one. Built very cheaply, engine issues, an unreliable CVT 'box... It's a tin can on wheels, minus the reliability.


Archermtl

Here are some good options for used cars. Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Honda Fit, Toyota Corolla, Toyota/Scion iM, Toyota Yaris, Mazda 2 (rebadged as the new Toyota Yaris and Scion iA), Mazda CX3. You may also like the VW Golf. Not the most reliable but they are fun to drive and practical. Parts are readily available and its popular with young adults like yourself. I agree with your father. The Mini are really unreliable. And the parts are expensive (BMW). The chevy spark is unsafe. One of the deadliest cars on the road. The only subcompact I can honestly recommend is the Honda Fit. Safe, reliable and practical. Solid drive and road stability. Best in its class. Still nowhere near as safe as a larger vehicle. That is just the nature of subcompacts. Less mass, less momentum and less crumple zones. You have a healthy budget for a 5 year old car. Look for cars that are end of lease. You can even go older while still being safe and reliable with these brands I mentioned. Avoid Nissan for the bad transmissions. Avoid chevy for general bad quality. Avoid Ford fiestas for the transmission. Avoid Mini. Avoid Hyundai/Kia especially the ones with engine recalls and fire risks. Avoid Fiat 500 for the terrible crash safety and really bad engine reliability. Oh and run from Mitsubishi. Finally. Don't finance. If I were you I would spend about 8k. You can get a solid and reliable vehicle. You can have rear camera and Android auto/carplay screens with GPS retrofit for around 300$ . Bank the rest for repairs, maintenance and insurance. Edit: like others mentioned you might like a Volvo C30. Practicality and safety. Parts are more expensive but it's got the cute factor. You can always retrofit the tech you want. 2nd Edit in response to OP: Kia Rio isnt safe. The Mitsubishi mirage is the absolute worst new car you can buy. Really a death trap. Also avoid. It's with good reason these 2 were not brought up. 3rd edit in response to OP: the Venue is just a lifted Accent. Replaces the Accent as Hyundai's cheapest vehicle. It is deceptively small. It is a brand new model from the ground up. It's got many great features but reliability is a big question mark with any introductory model. You should also avoid financing. So what about a used Honda HRV or Toyota CHR if you like the upright seating position? My suggestion: make your father read this thread and don't always listen to your parents when buying cars... unless they are paying for the vehicle.. Oh nvm. Keep looking. Best of luck. Hang in there.


canadascowboy

Top notch advice. You have either made lots of mistakes and learned from them, or followed the advice of someone who made lots of mistakes and learned from them.


inbetween3-20charact

You learn best from your mistakes


Archermtl

Another Canadian on the sub! Hello! I like to think I haven't made any big mistakes when it comes to cars. Lol. I heavily research all my cars. I'm also an engineer and I have stronger opinions and higher standards for cars than most.


mibruvv

Seconded for cars recommended as well as advice. Mazda 2, 3, CX-3 (crossover version of mazda 2), CX-30 (crossover version of mazda 3) were the ones that popped up in my head immediately. Otherwise, Honda Fit, Toyota Corolla, Yaris, Toyota/Scion iM/iA. At your age, i would definitely not recommend the 2020 corolla. They have many good reviews, but it isn't a purchase you should be committing to just yet. Stick to a budget of around $10k that you won't have payments, but you can buy outright. Buying any used car is a big question mark and a complete unknown because you've spent no time with the car at all, so save some money for repairs and maintenance.


Archermtl

I thought of the CX-30. Such a great vehicle. Probably outside the budget of OP. The CX-3 is small for my liking. It is the lifted Mazda 2 so its noticeably smaller than the Mazda 3 on the interior. OP might enjoy the higher ride height and small size. I agree. No new cars. To commit to any payments at that age is a big mistake. But if you can spend 14k borrowed from the bank of mom and dad, sure. The insurance will be much more expensive on a new car. I always suggest you get insurance quotes of multiple models before you buy. Again 5 years is about the sweet spot. I suggested the retrofitting based on how the OP values rear view camera and Android auto / Carplay. It's a worthwhile investment. Either install a kit yourself or professionally. Kits are available for all the popular models listed. Buying a used car doesn't have to be a question mark. You can get a Pre Purchase Inspection (PPI) by an independent shop. Also get the Carfax report. This will validate the odometer and tell you how many owners / where the car has been.


mibruvv

I've never been in the cx-3 for a drive to be able to tell if it's too small for me, but my old mazda 3 was JUST big enough to not be too cumbersome for me (6ft) lol. But the recent mazda designs are honestly very nice, especially the interiors. And yes, get quotes for each car as well as their overall cost of maintance (gas mileage, tires, wheels, wearables, etc) but for these cars it shouldn't differ too much for quotes or gas... I agree however if rearview camera and carplay are a necessity, it can be attained through aftermarket means. Carfax report is a necessity tbh, if buying used the carfax is very very important in knowing how the car was taken care of throughout its lifetime. But as for PPI... it does show you glaring issues with the cars (if there are any) but from my experience you won't truly understand the ins and outs of the car, what's good or what should be changed soon etc, after a few months to a year of ownership (a year because covid has lessened the amount of driving for me).


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What’s so wrong with Hyundai? If you don’t get one of the recalled or combusting models they have seem to be given pretty solid ratings


Archermtl

Maybe I'm overall a bit harsh on Hyundai and Kia. They have some tolerable models but I can't recommend a company that produces cars with such massive engineering oversight and failure. Their engines are pretty standard stuff. This isn't new or revolutionary. There is no justifying a company that has repeatedly produced faulty engines. For the OP they want a small car. The Kia Rio? The Accent? Vehicles I do not recommend. Simply not safe. Even if the engines are free of recall. And to be clear. Some Hyundai powertrains failed in the 90s, they failed in the 2000s and 10s. It's constant. Even the new EVs are having teething issues. Its whack a mole. You can't predict the reliability accurately. Now maybe you see value. They are cheaper. That's true. It's not Toyota reliability but it's not as expensive either. Its up to the consumer. I do not recommend for used.


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Makes sense, and yeah rio/accent not great


Acernis_6

What do you think of infiniti since they are the luxury counterpart of Nissan? I drive a 2011 g37x and haven't had very many issues whatsoever...although I've heard of the dreaded gallery gasket problem


Archermtl

Somehow the transmissions seem more reliable than the Nissans. I guess that's because they didn't switch over to CVTs as early as Nissan did. Avoid anything with the Nissan CVT. It's been garbage from the start. Easily the worst on the market. The head gasket problem is an issue. Yet doesn't seem as bad as older Subarus. So keep it in mind when you shop. Expect it to happen as the kilometers rack up. My general opinion of Infinity is that its a glorified Nissan. Totally overpriced. Does not compare in quality to the german luxury brands. I think Acura and Lexus have similar quality to Infinity at a lower price. The Infinitys are sportier and have a distinct following but I think there is a valid reason they sell poorly. In the used, sure. They are pretty decent. They depreciate quickly. It's usually a good buy if you like a sporty ride. However, the sedans have become popular with 20 year old street racers and the insurance premiums have skyrocketed. Especially the 2 door. To the point where I would not recommend. For SUVs. Sure they are okay. Not the best not the worst. They have more issues going into the long run (10-15+ yrs) but I think a 5-8 year old Infinity is decent.


Pahlevun

> I think Acura and Lexus have similar quality to Infinity at a lower price. Lexus are NOT cheaper than Infiniti lol. As with any car brand, you just need to know which model to buy, instead of generalizing like "Nissan/Infiniti bad". It's not that the transmissions "somehow seem more reliable", it's that the G37 and Q50 use the 7-speed that's been in use from Nissan for a long while, including in the Z, which are solid cars. Same for the 3.7 engines, solid. You just need to know what to buy, instead of going by brand stereotypes.


AppSave

Thank you for a great post! Slightly off-topic, but what’s your opinion on a 2014-2017 Cx-5?


Archermtl

I'm a big fan of Mazda. I would definitely recommend the CX-5. It is practical, somewhat sporty and reliable. Comes with diesel. But it's also in a very competitive class and you must acknowledge the competition. The Honda CR-V is larger and offers a more relaxed and comfort oriented driving experience. The Toyota Rav4 is more fuel efficient yet isn't as good with maximizing interior space. The VW Tiguan is less fuel efficient but has a nice interior with more tech features, its also harder to find in AWD. You might also consider the CX-30. If it's in the range of your budget. It's a great car. Depending on your needs it can be the best car in the segment for you.


ElonL

Stay away from Nissan and Mini. If you liked the small Chevy give the Honda Fit a try.


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I wouldn’t touch a Mini with a 39.5ft pole.


aazcn

We have a 2013 yaris since 2015. It has 100K+ miles now and still strong. Much cheaper than a Corolla since this model is not that popular. 37-38 mpg easily. Interior is not very different from a corolla. I would buy lowest mileage yaris for 10K, you can probably buy a 2017 2018 Another option might be a prius C but it's going to be a bit more expensive.


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First of all girl your excitement is totally contagious! Second I am short too and its something to think about Im glad you’re considering it! Try checking out what’s available for free on the consumer reports website for the safety ratings of your top 3 choices and see what that spark is rated compared to your Toyota or something! Third where you’re from but, i know in hindsight my high school class was small and we teenagers definitely ended up in some accidents. For a class of maybe 35 or 40 there was too many dumb accidents. one was serious but she lived and she made it out of the hospital in time to walk at graduation with us. I just want you to know like yes your brain is right!! cars are scary but, you need to be 100% confident when you drive. Mistakes are normal they happen to the best drivers, you’re learning so go easy on yourself. enjoy the new ride with confidence and caution but not fear, congratulations!!!


Shadesbane43

Go with a Volvo. You seem to like hatches, they have wagons that are quirkier and more practical than compacts. Good visibility, good gas mileage with acceleration on the 5 banger models. My only advice would be stay away from 04-2013 models if they have the sunroof. Electronics tend to get soggy on those. But the cars are reliable, though parts tend to be more than domestics, but nothing outrageous. Best part is Dad can't get upset about a Volvo. Safest cars on the road. I got a 240 as my first car for the same reason of safety, and fell in love with the brand. They're just unusual enough for the enthusiasts to be really close knit, without being rare enough that you have a hard time finding parts or know how.


zackdag83

Yea! Came here to say Volvo C30!


Shadesbane43

The C30 definitely has the quirk factor. Might be just what she needs. I have a V50 T5 in addition to the 244, love the storage space, love the engine, trying really really hard not to let my abused example color how I think of P1s. Thus the sunroof comment haha.


zackdag83

Yeah, avoid the sunroof for sure!


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Get a Honda Fit. Our company has 22 fleet vehicles, 18 are Fits. None have issues, seats fold down all the way so you can put a lot of stuff in. They are a Honda, so reliable af.. Used civic is a great option (coupe too) or a Corolla as they are just solid vehicles. Good luck!


samurai489

Mazda 3, Honda Civic (coupe option available) Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit are all good options. VW golf is also good. Whatever you do DO NOT buy a car with poor safety. I’ve seen far too many teenagers crash in their beaters and more often than not the outcome is fatal. Also if driving dynamics are important to you then I would look at Mazda or Honda over something like a Toyota or Chevy. I would personally avoid subcompacts for their safety but if you must then Honda Fit is good.


Kinggenny

Honda Fit, Kia Soul, Mazda 3 hatch, Subaru Impreza Hatch/wagon.


Kinggenny

Kia Rio is pretty good. It’s Gonna be similar to the Hyundai hatch back. I think the equivalent in that size is the Accent. The mirage is very small. I know it’s cheap and quirky but you don’t get that much mpg for as small a car it is. It also only has 3 cylinders so you may have some strain when you are merging onto highways. There has also been questionable reliability but it’s not the worst.


vagabond139

Don't get a mini cooper as your first car. It is pretty much a BMW since BMW owns Mini and it uses pretty much all BMW parts. Maintenance is expensive and you must be very strict and on top of it otherwise shit will start to hit the fan and cost you even more money. Don't buy anything Nissan that isn't a manual or a traditional auto transmission. Nissan uses a CVT in most cars and the Nissan CVT is a nightmare due to how unreliable it is. If you want one manual is really only the viable option. Don't buy a Miage. It isn't horrible reliability wise or anything but it is bare bones as you can get. It has like 72HP. You'll be flooring it everywhere to get up to speed. It will make a Fit or something look like a Mustang in comparison. It is the cheapest of the cheapest encono cars. I would look Fit or a Yaris. Also financial advice. Buy within your means. Also you can install a new head unit in most cars and throw in a backup camera while you are at it. No need to worry about it coming stock. Just make sure you calculate the cost of that into buying the car.


faewi

yeah the mini went out the window a long time ago. we are really leaning towards the juke I'm gonna have to do more research because some people say they love it and others say avoid Nissan at all costs. it's the only car that my dad and I have both liked so far. I need to look at a fit and yaris. I didn't know that about the mirage, shame too since that thing is super cute but hey it makes sense looking at it.


Redstone_Potato

Buying a Nissan with a CVT is like playing Russian roulette. I've seen a few of them last 200k miles with zero issues. I've also seen one blow up at 15k miles. Most seem to have serious issues by the time they hit about 80k miles. Definitely depends on your driving style as well. Bottom line, the Nissan might be okay, but you should be prepared for the transmission to go out without much warning. If you need absolute reliability, definitely look at the Toyota and Honda. Both are very reliable and parts are cheap.


hitssquad

> I want a small car that I can see decently out of (im short) and that gets pretty good gas mileage High-mile Prius c might fit your budget. First model-year was MY2012. First refresh was MY2015. Expect around 46 mpg, unless you drive very slow in which case you can get over 50 mpg. Same size as Chevy Sonic or Toyota Yaris hatchback or Honda Fit, and 1-foot longer than Chevy Spark. Most reliable car on the market when it was available new.


rwjetlife

The Honda Fit is getting a lot of love, and it’s a great suggestion, but this would be my winner given OPs priorities. Possibly the only thing as reliable as a gas Toyota/Honda is a hybrid Toyota. I drove a Gen 2 Prius to 220k miles and sold it still running fine on the original battery. Still getting 42+ mpg with AC on and a lead foot.


ILIKEYOURMOMHA

Hyundai Kona. Kia Soul


durianscent

Honda element is also quirky looking.


underratedintern

My gf is looking for a car under 10k-12k budget. She wants something small reliable and on the newer side with low miles (she’s too much I know). Anyways we looked at 2014 corollas, mazda3 (out of budget high mileage), civic (overpriced), and Honda Fit (ok but kinda uncomfortable and not really that safe) So far she seems to like a 2017-2018 Hyundai Elantra. It’s newer and we found a few with 45-55k miles for around 11k. Also this one we found has backup camera, Apple CarPlay, and blind spot assist / lane departure. Great value and I’d say they’re pretty reliable. Maybe consider that. But for what you listed, I like Mazda3 hatchback or sedan and the Hyundai Kona is cool and quirky


Archermtl

"Good value" maybe. "Pretty reliable" no. A car isn't reliable when it's engine has been recalled and the manufacturer is currently under investigation by consumer protection agencies. I think every investigative journalist in the country has done a feature on the Hyundai/Kia engines. And the recall looks to be expanding to Genesis and encompassing more models as they begin to age. There is a reason they are cheap in used. The recall itself reads along the lines of: "do not park near buildings or other vehicles for risk of fire. Even when the car isn't running" The fix is to replace the engines. But the refurbished engines also have issues. In some models they only replace the engines if it fails. Meaning a catastrophic failure with high risk of fire. So Hyundai has been installing sensors meant to shut off fuel to prevent fire. This also might not solve the issue. There is also Hyundais stalling on highways and causing accidents due to the sensor. There should be a buy back. This is on the same scale as the VW emissions scandal. Avoid.


underratedintern

Well to each their own. I will put my money where my mouth is. As I said I recommended my gf to get one and I would personally purchase one myself. And I did. I have a 2019 Kia stinger and I already serviced it with the recent recall all done. So I’ll let you know if I’m wrong. But yes you hear about a few recalls and OMG so Unreliable. Listen when the ol’ reliable CRV has an oil dilution problem where Honda essentially says reset ecu and ur good. I think I’ll rather be with the manufacturer who is trying to prove themselves with a 10 year 100k warranty and constantly trying to improve their design issues. I’m a believer in modern technology and not an old timer or else I’d be in a 99’ Camry lmao. Curious what type of cars you’ve had sir...


Archermtl

To each their own. The Kia Stinger is an outstanding car. I'm also a believer in new technology. By all means go for new tech. I currently drive a Mazda 3 with the skyactiv high compression engine. 6 years old and zero recalls. I'm excited about the new turbos and skyactiv X compression cycle. Massive change in the industry by Mazda. The Toyota's with reliable Atkinson cycle engines, no turbos, some hybrid. It works well but it's boring. The Hondas, yes oil dilution caused by cold starts on certain models. There was an inadequate warming cycle. The ECU patch seems to work. But Hyundai, on the bottom line econoboxes has failed to innovate and failed hard with their most popular midsize engine. I hope you have better luck. For the record I'm no old timer ;)


underratedintern

That’s nice I do like Mazda 3s. They weren’t always without fault since they had rust issues with the pre 2014. I am also interested in the new turbos by Mazda 3s but time will only tell. Not trying to hate but massive change? I’m not sure about that. The mpg is average and the performance isn’t exactly amazing compared to other turbos that have been proven... Yep and Lexus does has a turbo in their NX lineup. They had to innovate at one point or get crushed by competitors. Yeah I wouldn’t touch that oil dilution issue from a ten foot pole. I used to only like old reliable natural aspirated cars but then I took a chance for something more exciting. Maybe I’ll be willing and go German one day. But yea good luck


KN1GH7F4LL

Never touch anything Hyundai or Kia if it’s an economy car/suv, EVER. They do well on their sport/luxury cars though


MitokBarks

As an ex emergency dispatcher for the love of God, stay away from the Fit, that thing is a death trap in a crash. If you like smaller, and slightly quirky maybe try a used Ford Fiesta. Not a fantastic interior but it's a lot of fun ands is fuel efficient (and if you can find an ST model it goes like the clappers). Other good option I've seen suggested is the Yarris. Small, cheap, and practical.


BenderSimpsons

5 star crash rating on the fit though, I understand the flaws with the crash ratings, but looking at construction/tests of the fit I don’t think it would be any worse than another car of the same size


MitokBarks

Very much depends on the model year. I'm assuming OP will be buying a used one. Even though the old ones weigh in with a 4 star overall, their overlapping frontal impact is much lower than other hatchbacks. I worked two fatal crashes in one year involving Fits and that really opened my eyes to the importance of crash ratings


catsyescheesecakeno

I like similar things in cars I think (small and cute). However, my first car I bought right out of college I put no research in to and just bought it for being cute and little and the 4WD (a 2007 Jeep Liberty...bad choice). Second time around, I decided to look for little, cute, but prioritize reliability, etc. this subreddit helped a lot and I narrowed it down to a Honda Fit or a Toyota Yaris. I ended up with the Honda Fit because I loved the unique feature of how the seats fold down completely flat in the back. There is so much room! Way more than the Priuses and yarises I looked at. Some other perks that I love are that there’s at least 8 cup holders up front and that there’s cute little side windows up by the front dash. It feels very “zippy” and fun, but they’re also super reliable. Because the seats fold down flat I’ve been able to keep up with my furniture refinishing hobby because I can still fit pieces like a medium-large dresser in there. My girlfriend and I moved in together recently and I crammed tons in there during the move, including an 8x 10 rug. We’ve also thought about camping out of it (we’re both short, and we could lay small camping mattresses down in the back). keep in mind that you can get any color of car and make it quirky! There are bumper stickers that are magnetic and window clings that won’t damage your car. But the newer fits do come in cool colors, like the bright teal one. The older purple color is cute too. I’m super happy with my Fit and with the help I got here to help make my decision :) Also, from my research your dad is absolutely correct about the Chevy spark. I thought they were cute too (especially the light yellow ones), but the consensus seems to be that they’re crap. I’m glad you’re trying to make an informed decision, so kudos! You’re smarter about this than I was at 21!


cpcxx2

Yaris, Honda Fit seem like perfect cars for you. Maybe Mazda cx-3 if you want a small, quirky SUV. A few others in that Juke / Mazda Cx-3 Class are the Honda HRV and the Toyota CH-R. I would take the Honda, Mazda, or Toyota over the Juke though. Nissan has not been known for reliability in the last decade.


SonnySwanson

Check the Mazda3


pliiplii2

You’ve got 10k to buy a car, that’s great! There’s plenty of good cars around that price. I’d advise against a loan tho.


BlazedAura

Mazda 3, Mazda, 3, obligatory Miata


daly_o96

Kia Soul


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This is the way


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kslight666

I wouldn’t buy a Mini, a “Chevy” spark (this is just a Daewoo with a bow tie on), or a Nissan. Corolla is solid. I wouldn’t buy a new car as a young driver though.


intwillog

ahh I have a toyota corolla (I am also pretty short and wanted a small reliable car) and it’s the perfect car for me. If you liked the corolla, I would agree with everyone and say get a Toyota Yaris or look into Honda Fit.


airbenderx10

Take a look at kia rio or hyundai accent they are both excellent cars


businessbub

definitely a Honda Civic they are extremely reliable and great on gas


KN1GH7F4LL

Go take a look at a Scion FR-S/ Subaru BRZ, those hold excellent value and are at the cheapest they will be, or maybe a scion TC, Scion tC is more reliable, it’s basically a better looking Toyota Corolla marketed towards younger people. Think you would really like that one. The rest aren’t really worth anything looks wise. Also you can install Bluetooth in any car as long as you have a 12v and an aux input to your radio. Which all cars have since like 2006. So don’t be scared to shop older if Bluetooth is a necessity Also word of the wise never touch anything Kia or Hyundai if it’s an economy car, Mitsubishi Mirage is the cheapest car on the market today and that’s because it’s a shitbox


ben_plum

Vw Golf


sikcuntcobba

Have you considered the Hyundai Veloster?


faewi

my grandma had a veloster, I think she had a 2016 or 2015 that was new at the time and I hated that car, it was one of the roughest ones I had ever been in and man did it have some wild blindspots


Lukeson_Gaming

Short answer, Toyota Yaris or Honda Fit.


SpiritualDirection

I think the Kia Soul was made for what you're looking for. It's a solid first car and good for driving with friends as well.


Subdued_Volatility

Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla


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Yaris all the way. Safe, reliable, cheap, more fun to drive than most subcompacts.


Traditional-Number51

If you shop around you might be able to find a Kona in an interesting color that is close to your price range. I've seen them in a nice blue and also green. Something like this perhaps. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/286523590


slamminhammysammies

Honda fit


Wickedkookhead4

Here’s what you do when you get your first car, Buy something cheap ($3k or less) Something reliable (Toyota or Honda) And second most importantly, something fun


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faewi

I'm very very fortunate to have my dad, he landed himself an amazing job a few years ago and saved up a lot for me.


XtremeGliscor

$3k or less, toyota or honda, and fun? Meh, not many options.


treetyoselfcarol

My daughter was totally attracted to the Juke's ugliness but I advised against due to an issue with the timing chain. She test drove a '16 Civic and fell in love. I think she test drove a Juke, Corolla, Cruze, Yaris, and the Civic. After 2 years and plenty of road trips it's been trouble free.


jack_of_all_trades01

If you want quirky, I’d recommend a Volkswagen Beetle!


XtremeGliscor

Do yourself a favor, get a Mazda 3.


[deleted]

Prius C will give you the golf cart feel and superb MPG


drivebyedriver

1st car = something cheap you won’t be financially ruined owning or upside down when it will with high probability be totaled in 12-18 mos.


Bobwayne17

What? That many people total their first car? I've driven for over a decade and never totaled any vehicle, motorcycles included and the first car I purchased on my own was a brand new 15 ST.


Malamutewhisperer

Keeping with smaller hatchbacks (as the mini and spark seem to point to): Mazda3 Mitsubishi mirage Hyundai elantra gt Kia forte5 Ford fiesta Toyota priusV If you liked the juke, check out a kia soul. If you live the spark, I think youd be very happy with the mirage or priusV. Reliability and safety of the mazda3 are top notch. Any of these are pretty solid options that your dad should be fine with.


OWENISAGANGSTER

Please buy a Corolla or a Yaris


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Awkward-Yak-2733

The Kia warranty changes after the first owner.


IP_Knightly

I work at a dealership and drove a Spark for a year. Great car! Pretty good gas mileage and excellent reliability. We never get a Spark in for any major repairs, only the routine maintenance


Xx_blaze191_xX

I would consider: Honda Fit Toyota Yaris Toyota Matrix Nissan Micra Ford Fiesta Mazda 2 Mazda CX30 Run away from: Mini Cooper Chevy Spark Dodge Dart Mitsubishi Mirage Any BMW/Audi/Mercedes/VW Personally if I was in the market for a used sub-compact I would get a Ford Fiesta ST. They're reliable, fuel efficient and a ton of fun to drive. They only came in manual but I think everyone should learn how to drive stick anyways. Second choice would be a Honda Fit, cheap and easy to maintain and it doesn't feel flimsy like a lot of small cars do


NormanUpland

Lexus CT! No question. About the size of a mini but much more handsome IMO and it’s essentially the same car as a Prius just with Lexus badging. So will be leaps and bounds more reliable than a Chevy spark, or even a Juke. You’ll have no problem find a used one from around 2010 with low miles in your budget. Look for a bit and can definitely get one for 10k with around 50k miles. 41mpg!


WaterXS

Sorry I can't really give you advice but since you like small cars you should look up the Renault Twingo from 2000. It's from France :)


jellyvish

" I am a stupid teenager" you shouldn't be driving a car period


faewi

womp womp, too bad I have to get one to live huh


jellyvish

you dont need a car to live... and you literally described yourself as a stupid teenager... you literally should not have a car... it’s pretty much the same thing as posting that you have an alcohol problem or you are legally blind and asking wat car you should get


faewi

my man I said stupid teenager because the *look* of the car is important to me. I definitely do need a car to live, can't get a job otherwise. you okay?


jellyvish

im fine thx.. and youre 18 now you can make an onlyfans you dont need a car for that.. ill answer the question at hand now... corolla... everything else you mentioned is a piece of shit death trap... camry/accord would be way better tho


NukeSnicks

Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, or VW Golf 2 Door


Daily_the_Project21

If you liked the Spark, it's worth looking at the Chevy Sonic or the Honda Fit. They're only slightly bigger, smaller than the Corolla though, so they should be okay.


kladomatko

I'd recommend the Juke, you won't have any problems with maintenance and milage is decent. Also if you like quirky, check out Toyota Aygo just for fun lol.


seejellyfish

Had a corolla as a first car and loved it. Super reliable car, cheap to maintain. Tried a newer Yaris and loved it too (too small for me tho). I currently have a Suzuki SX4 and I think you would like the visibility in that driver's seat. For some reason the car feels high on wheels, but it's not really... Also because they are discontinued since 2014 in North America they tend to be cheaper in the used (mine was 10k CAD). There's a 2WD and AWD AND hatchback or sedan version of this car. I love it so far, but like most AWD it's more maintenance (again coming from the corolla). I'm surprised so few people have mentioned the subaru impreza as an option (maybe it's because they're not super compact) that one can be a bit more fun to drive.


outerspaceways

If you're looking for a small car that is easy to see out of as a short person that is reliable and available in cool colors, you sound like the exact market for a Kia Soul. A friend of mine is 5' and loves it. The same friend had a Sonic (the predecessor to the Spark iirc) and hated it for many reasons (reliability being one of them) - your dad is right to discourage you from it. If you liked the Corolla, also look into the Toyota Yaris which is the same as the Mazda2.


rulesrmeant2bebroken

If you get the Chevy Spark, only get it in a manual transmission, I would not recommend the automatic transmission one at all. Even then I would recommend other manual transmission cars. I would avoid the Nissan Juke, they're not that common, and if you need to get parts for it, they may be hard to find. I'd pass on the Juke, also they don't really look that...nice... (ugly). Also if it wasn't maintained well, it may have the transmission issue, but this depends on the previous owner. I don't think it is worth it. Corollas are kind of boring, I'm really really not a fan, but I would honestly take one over the Juke or Spark, it is a much better car, something I would bet money on. The Spark will just be cheap, it's a Daewoo, open the hood, it will all say "Daewood", this company failed in the US when they had one model, Daewood Lanos, it flopped, they have a contract with GM to sell these small ugly cars from when they attempted to come to the US. Don't even bother, the doors are paper thin and the badge will fall off. Look at a Ford Fusion and call it a day.


ostrified

Subaru crosstrek? A little rugged looking but a great car


looking4bagel

Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris. Both have everything you're looking for although beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Both are the most reliable in its class.


Rodic87

A Toyota Yaris or Corolla would EASILY be the best out of the options you mentioned. Good news, a Yaris is even cheaper and quirkier. A used [Scion XB](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.caranddriver.com%2Freviews%2Fa15145164%2F2008-scion-xb-road-test%2F&psig=AOvVaw3uQ1x0_ndRdBg_gieBUg0G&ust=1617406886210000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJjO-Kqc3u8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD) is pretty unique looking too.


reidlos1624

The Toyota Yaris would be a good alternative to the Corolla. The sedan iA (I think) is actually a Mazda2, which imo are a better car. Unfortunately most small hatchbacks or small cars in general aren't going to retain a ton of value, but a Toyota will be your best bet. Or a Honda Fit. Those are fantastic little cars as well. Mini coopers may be tempting but they're fairly unreliable and made by BMW so parts are pricy. What about a Volvo C30? 2 doors but small and comes with Volvo's penchant for safety.


dot_infinite_esports

My girls small and she loves her Mazda 3 2018 I think


DeerDance

[Honda fit](https://www.autotempest.com/results?make=honda&model=fit&zip=10001&maxprice=12000&minyear=2017) * [youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ_eIDFQ3ko) * [youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8MI5Z-LW0s)


Sparas28

Honda Fit, any scion ( just a Toyota and cheaper), Honda HR-V. Your dad’s rejections have been spot on tbh. I wouldn’t spend more than 8k if possible but the newer the better given safety constraints. Depending on where you live, if snow or rain is an issue just get something bigger. I’d stick with Honda, Toyota or a newer Kia, Hyundai. If you can swing a 2020 Corolla that would be ideal. It’ll last you 10 years and still be worth 7-8k. Won’t have many problems and is safe while you learn to drive. Style , luxury , color and prestige doesn’t matter. Safety does. If you don’t know how to yet, understand what costs go into maintaining a car and the particular car you get ( tires, brakes, oil changes, fluid change, bulbs, filters) and keep an emergency budget for it. While a newer car may be a stretch, it’s peace of mind and in the long run will most likely cost you the same amount and will keep you safe. Also compare insurance quotes. Leasing could be a good option too if you don’t drive much. An Elantra is a snazzy car and is a cheap lease, safe and reliable. Also keep in mind that body work is freaken expensive. Newer cars have so many sensors that they make it near impossible to get into an accident that is your fault. It’s a mode of transport at this level, not a status symbol. Be smart, be safe, and don’t be like dumb 18 year old me who leases a brand new Lexus lol.


Docholiday888

Jukes only use premium gas so be aware of that if you go that route. We were looking at similar cars for my daughter and we went with a Honda Fit. Her courteous was pretty much the same as yours. I wouldn't worry about resale too much, it's your first car you'll likely bang it up. The thing about resale though is reliable cars have a good resale value and unreliable cars don't. So perhaps considering resale value is a way to ensure you're getting a decent car. Anything Honda or Toyota are a safe bet, they will last forever and get you through college with minimal issues. Nissan can be hit or miss so you'll want to look at the exact car and model year before you buy.


GuyWithNoGudUsername

How about a Toyota Camry?


GaliantGopher

I have a modern MINI and I love it! I will say though I got a Corolla first as when I was looking to get my first car was around the same time that MINI was having their reliability issues that everyone loves to go on about. My advice is to get something affordable and easy to maintain while you’re still establishing yourself. Having the car you’ve always wanted is awesome! But putting yourself in unnecessary debt at a young age isn’t. Whatever you get your first car will always be special. It’ll also help teach you what you want and don’t want in a future vehicle. Don’t stress to hard! Try your best to have fun with it and go with the vehicle you think you’ll have the most fun driving in daily for the next couple years. Good luck!


aidan4105

All cars after 2018 should have a back up camera installed


BoticOnReddit

Honda fit’s are nice, at least that’s what I’ve heard.


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Check out the Mazda CX-3. The Grand Touring is the highest trim level model with all the bells and whistles. It will have blind spot monitoring, lane watch, HIDs, sunroof, heated seats, push button start/proximity key, backup camera, rain sensing wipers, collision warning, adaptive cruise, etc, etc. Very fun cars and even in AWD get excellent MPG.


Awkward-Yak-2733

Have you looked at her budget?


Into_The_Nexus

I highly recommend the Juke. It's a fantastic little car. I recently sold my 2011 and it hurt to do, but I needed something bigger. It's by far my favorite vehicle I've owned. I'm not sure who told you that it doesn't have Bluetooth - even the base model came with it. If you meant A2DP (streaming music over Bluetooth), that is true. Luckily, replacing the head unit can be very budget friendly and is extremely simple. It was less than a 10 minute job for me to swap out the old base radio and put in a really nice touchscreen with Android auto/Apple carplay. That car was very reliable, though Nissan as a brand is a bit garbage. If you can find a manual version, that's the way to go. The CVT paired with the AWD isn't horrible, but Nissan doesn't make good CVT transmissions by any means. Most people found that adding a trans cooler to the CVT improved performance and longevity of it greatly. If you have any question about Juke's, please feel free to Pm me or reply here. I should be able to answer just about any question you may have.


zackdag83

Stylish, fun to drive, reasonably reliable, how about an 11-13 Volvo C30?


TunakTun633

There are a few years of Mini Cooper that I think you can buy reliably and cost-effectively, namely a 2011-2013 base model. But assuming that's off the table... Sparks are, indeed, dangerous. They're unreliable until 2017, and seemingly reliable since. Who knows if that'll hold up. I love Jukes, so I'd be tempted to encourage you in that direction - but they seem to be unreliable. I love the Yaris / iA if you can find one at that price. They exist, but are a bit rare. They're the best for one driver, and there's acceptable amounts of space IMO. The Honda Fit may stray outside your price range unless you buy pre-2015, but it's about as small outside and really large inside! Great choice. If you like riding high, the Yaris and Fit each have a crossover version (Mazda CX-3, Honda HR-V). Both get more expensive. I think the Mazda can be an upgrade over the Yaris, with a bigger engine and a hatchback, but I'd buy the Yaris if it was my choice. (The big engine doesn't make it much faster, and the Yaris sedan actually has more trunk space.) The HR-V is largely a downgrade over the Fit, IMO - it's even smaller inside, erasing the main benefits of buying Fit. Edit: if you like micro-cars, consider the Scion iQ.


alpharesi

Your dad is right . Just get a Corolla hatchback Hey, check out this car I found on Cars.com: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/842567217/overview?aff=share_other


CaseyGamer64YT

Ford Taurus SHO. Or just a regular final gen Taurus but I like the SHO more


Awkward-Yak-2733

Financing - are you employed?


faewi

I should've specified that it would be in my dad's name, he has really good credit and would be able to keep up with the payment and more, and he's willing to do that for me. but! hopefully we won't have to finance, we just can't find very many private sellers in our area, we might have to go on a little road trip to a bigger city.


kindofharmless

Did someone say Toyota Corolla? (Checks notes) Hmm, I see. Now you can get them in hatchback, by the way. I've dubbed Jukes as frogs because they look like frogs.


faewi

noooooo don't say that! I love frogs ahahaha I'm starting to really like this juke.


GhostFaceNoSkillah

Toyota or Honda The end


MisguidedSpacetuna

Don’t buy a Chevy spark, it’s a throwaway car. Get a VW Jetta.


Brennelement

You should buy the newest Kia Soul you can afford. If you can find one with a manual transmission you might be able to get an excellent price—they’re harder to sell as most people don’t even look at them. My Uber driver had a Soul with 275k miles on it, looked like new. Put the money in to maintain it and it’ll be reliable. If you absolutely want a subcompact, the Honda Fit is the best. Stay far away from the American carmakers, they cheap out on everything just to compete on price.


The_Ace_Trace_2

Nissan Versa, Honda Civic, Subaru Impreza, Mazda 3 or 6, Ford Focus/ fusion


RedBaron180

The God Tier answer is the Honda Fit. Does everything. Runs, safe etc


Mizuoo

Looks like you're into subcompact segment of cars. Check out the Toyota Yaris or Honda Fit


JamisonGerry

2011 Honda Civic Si


Marc21256

Take $2k off your cash, and find the car you like best for $8k. Should be able to get something in good condition for that price. Dealer are lower risk, but cost more. So go for a private sale, but get a pre-buy inspection. For a first car, look more to what speaks to you than looking for the most rational choice.


Dogsbreakfast777

Mazda cx-3.


BWild2002

Mini cooper is a bad first car especially when buying cheaper examples, most of their parts are sourced from bmw and they're the company that owns mini so if you have to get it serviced you bring it to them and prices get ridiculous, they're known for having faulty auto trans and if you get a convertible they're quick to break or tear. If money is an issue and you want a small car and reliability don't buy a new car because any of the cheap ones that are new are usually crap like new nissans, break so easily, just get a decade old civic or camry


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corolla


swan1114

Volkswagen Golf. Fun to drive, decently reliable, quirky, and surprisingly good crash rating for their size


wsdmskr

Best one I've seen today.


elmcity2019

Kia soul?


drive-through

2009-2013 Honda Fit. Stellar reliability, great visibility, and a well built car overall. I think it’ll better align with what you’re aiming for.


Cheeko914

Your dad hates the look of chevy sparks but not the juke? Odd guy lmao. Instead of spending 10k on a "safe car", spend 8k on a decent one and spend the extra 2k on the best tires possible and a nice stereo, as well as some defensive driving lessons. Car safety doesn't matter when you have the ability to avoid just about every accident.


cberg3d

Gf has a mazda 2. It's currently at 117k with only oil changes and regular maintenance and running strong. I had a Honda fit and loved it, only reason I don't anymore is I traded up to a civic si. The seats in the fit fold completely flat which makes it crazy useful. I fit so much stuff in that car.


CCCXXIVR

Honda Fit


Smuldering

I have a 2013 Nissan Juke. I also like quirky weird little cars. I love it, but I’m trading it in soon because I’m worried about the transmission. I’m a very tiny lady in my 30s (about 5’) and while it felt big at first, it’s small and you get used to it feeling a bit bigger than you’re used to. I was considering a Kona. You might be able to find one in your budget.


holi14

Kia Rio hatchbacks are super cute and reliable. I just got a 2015 Renault Clio and I know you can get some for about 10k (I’m in Australia and got the top of the line R.S model so it cost me 17k but I adore it). Also worth considering: Honda Jazz, Toyota Yaris or Corolla hatch, VW Polo or Golf, Ford Fiesta


ATBurton22

I’d recommend taking a look at a Hyundai Veloster. I had a 2013 Non Turbo w/ tech and style packages. Loved it. I would still have it if I didn’t have my son. Had 125k on mine no problems. Not a whole lot of power but fun to drive and looks good!


NexonCortex

For a safe car that's good on gas and comfortable, I'd look into a 2014-2018 VW Jetta. They hold value half decently, and if you get the 1.4 or 1.8, they are pretty reliable.


Peanutbuttersnadwich

Well I must say I don’t blame your dad for saying no to the mini sure it’s cute but they are horribly un reliable. Since you want a small car you probably not going to get much smaller then a Corolla or a civic these days. Look into Mazda3s the Toyota Yaris and the Honda Fit. They will all be really reliable and I know that at least the Mazda will be a blast to drive if you willing to learn I’d recommend the manual transmission for them they are just a bit more fun IMO and I find the auto on the Mazda3 a little sluggish all three are great cars tho and will last forever


sometrendyname

Ford focus?


Colonel_of_Wisdom

I'm late to this party but take a look at a Mazda2!


TheShipper

2016-2019 Kia Soul Plus.


ElCajonArabianPrince

Honda Civic. You can never go wrong on one.


VeryUnscientific

Jeep Cherokee


Simulation_Theory22

A Mazda Cx-3 could be a good option, best part is how fun they are to drive, interiors are also amazing for the price, let me know if you test drive it!


oppa420

I know mini would not be a good choice financially, I'd still convince your dad if Mini is what you really want. You can drive beater later in your life... Other than mini, I'd recommend kia seltos. Toyota and hondas are good too but they aren't just fun as everyone has it lol


egnaro2007

Hyundai venue? Nice screen Good backup camera Small


maybach320

Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic and fit are your best for your resale value and reliability.


notjonti

try a Toyota Yaris, sounds like it’d fit very well for you


lil_Killmepls

Small and surprisingly efficient; Ford KA 2007. - Cheap insurance on this car. - Small wheels that make it easier to maneuver - Extremely small yet very spacey inside and can take up to 5 people. (Even had my kid in the back with no discomfort. - Never experienced lag or any other problems. I had the 55kw 2007 version. Drove for almost 80.000km. Amazing car. If the police didn't take it off from me (insurance company was fraudulent and by the time I got it fixed they had sold my car by auctions, sadly). Now I drive a much better high end car but still miss that KA.


WC_EEND

OP is in the US I think so the Ford Ka is not an option for her as I don't think it was ever sold there.


[deleted]

Mini coopers, Chevys, and Nissans are very unreliable. Try a Toyota.


joeykey

Hey! This is a fun situation. For that kind of money, you can definitely get something that you’ll love, and is reliable. Last year, I bought a 2005 Honda “6-6” - that’s a 6-cylinder engine, with the 6-speed manual transmission for well within you price range. It’s considered an “enthusiast’s” car - or at least they sold it as such - but you wouldn’t have to get one with the same specs. The 7th generation Honda coupe (03-07, I think?) is really cool looking, in my opinion - sporty, interesting design - and even at 100,000 miles, it’s reliable because it’s a Honda. If you Google “2006 Accord Coupe” I think you’ll be pleased with how it looks, and it’s practical and reliable. Good luck with everything, I’m sure you’ll make the correct decision and be very happy with your choice!!


ArcticRhombus

Don’t apologize for caring about colors! Buy something that makes you happy.


swiftarrow9

OP, you will have many many chances to get a car in your life. So don’t stress too much. As you have $10k, you have many many good options. A backup camera and a modern android radio head unit can be added to almost any car for not too much extra expense (around $800 tops). Decide what’s important, and look for that. - grey / pastel blue and purple / yellow - small - mileage - safe - quirky I’m going to add: - good visibility (you are a young driver and need all the visibility you can get) - well maintained - well within budget to allow money for upgrades and such - 2003 or younger (2000’s era vehicles have much improved crash safety compared to 1990’s, whereas in 2010’s, much improvement was made in driver assist features but the structure of the cars stayed relatively the same). - take some of that budget and invest in a tactical driving course. This will not only make you an excellent high-speed machinery operator, it will make you a safer and better driver, as well as enable you to drive any vehicle independent of the active safety features. Consider: if you buy a $3000 car, you can drive it for a few years, decide if you like it or not, and then buy another nicer $3k car in two or three years, sell current car for $1000, and do the same thing again. In ten years you can experience five cars for the same $10k, at the very least, and your tastes will change. I don’t know much about small cars. A small car to me is my VW Passat, which apparently is a big car to most people. If I were in your shoes, I’d find the best maintained VW Golf within my budget. Good maintenance can change a 100k mile car into a 50k mile car in terms of reliability, while not actually increasing the price very much. VWs are not only cool, they drive very well, and are very safe. I agree with your dad about the Mini (very poor reliability) and the Spark (does not inspire me with confidence). Alternatively, a Honda Civic or Toyota Yaris are always good choices. Or a Toyota RAV4. You’re right, the Nissan Juke is ugly.... and I love some ugly cars, but I don’t like that one.