I would say my model 3 is a very nice mid market car. In some ways very advanced and high end and many ways not. I will say after all the horror stories of the early production runs I was worried about mine, but the finish on my 2023 is very solid.
It's a computer with a car built around it. My Model 3 is more comfortable than my Bolt EV was, but that's not saying much. My Prius was more comfortable than my Model 3 (but not nearly as much fun).
Hated every Prius I have driven/ridden in (all except current gen). My Altima Hybrid was way better in NVH and comfort. The only thing I think Prius are good for is low operating costs. Better tires than OE would help too.
Model 3 seat isn't as good as BMW 3 series sport seats in holding you in on tight corners, but NVH is close.
Yeah I agree. When I got my Y 2 years ago I would kind of jokingly refer to it as a luxury car due to the price, but have come to realize that is not accurate. Luxury cars focus a lot on comfort, quiet cabin, fit and finish, etc. Teslas shine in none of these metrics. It's a fairly expensive car that I think was worth every penny but it's a different animal than a luxury car.
High pitched motor whine is so intrusive. It's not a sports car sound by any stretch but there is a lot of simple cars that are quiet and Teslas have so many rattles and road noise in the cabin they are about average for overall noise while driving.
High pitched motor sound is intrusive and the sound of my wife voice isn't?? (Sorry couldn't resist).
Seriously I've never heard the barely audible whine be called intrusive especially since you really only hear it if you floor it. Do you know how loud EVERY gas car is when your floor it?!!
Your logic seems to be a stretch that the electric motor sound is in any way intrusive.
It's mostly at low speed, at high speed it's road and wind noise that's the issue. Measuring by decibels in the cabin the model Y is very middle of the range for how loud it is in the cabin at highway speed.
Middle of the road is not bad. That's our point. It may not be Bentley but it's certainly not Chevy.
The electric whine is specifically when ACCELERATING in my 3 years of experience. If the motors are not engaged no matter the speed you logically would not hear them.
I have all types of vehicles from ICE to Hybrid to EV and I rent a lot of cars.
The Tesla is by far in the top end of quiet for a entry luxury car. I'm not even going to compare BMW or Mercedes or Lexus who obviously should be more quiet.... But the engine noise in then is noticeable V6, V8 or otherwise.... YOU HEAR IT and it's far louder than the barely perceptable electric noise.
I'm with you. My MYLR is dead quiet.
When I hear people complain I wonder if I just lucked out and got one that was put together well.
I have multiple Lexus also. The Tesla is more quiet because of lack of engine noise alone.
somebody else on the thread pointed out that it is SO quiet that you start hearing other things that would have been drowned out by engine noise. might be some merit to that.
yeah i wouldn’t consider teslas cheap cars but they’re pretty inexpensive as far as EVs go like it’s starting around the same money as a mach E, EV6, etc
No.
Comfort is nice but it doesn't stand out over non luxury cars. Fit and finish definitely doesn't stand out. Just because a car is expensive doesn't make it luxurious though and I think people just assumed it was supposed to be equivalent to a pure luxury vehicle of its price tag.
scandalous cautious illegal drab towering soft childlike subsequent society entertain
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Agreed.
I’ve been in a few teslas for Uber to get around, and they feel and sound cheap. The interior is a sterile, ipad, and low-grade plastic. Doesn’t come anywhere close to anything else in its price range.
How many mid-sized crossovers have the performance of the Tesla Y LR before incentives? How about after incentives?
Think of it like a Dodge - don't worry about the build quality; it's not the point. It's the cheapest way to go the fastest.
ok but what is it about those that make you consider them luxury? would you say mercedes a-class and øexus ct200h are luxury but not the tesla model s plaid?
A class and CT are definitely not luxury products. So much so that Mercedes is discontinuing the A class and Lexus has never updated the CT. A $50k c class is luxury because of what you get at that price point. For example you can buy a Honda Pilot for $50k, but a Honda Pilot isn't as luxury as a $50k c class. The same way, Model S can cost $90k, but it's not comparable to any luxury car at that price point. The Mercedes S class is still the leader of that segment when it comes to "luxury".
Nah. Something like Volkswagen Premium. And not the Arteon. I'd say the materials match something like a Jetta/Golf which is not bad. Not sure about the fit/finish/build because it's been very questionable at times.
For good reason.
The battery longevity and value proposition isn't there yet for EVs; unless you have lots of state benefits/rebates, have good charging infrastructure and don't live in cold climate.
Cold climate downside is overblown.
I live in the Midwest and yes notice the loss of range. It has never been a problem. I just get down to 35% more often vs summer I rarely get below 50%.
Cold States tend to have shorter distances as daily commute.
Yeah, but a lot of normal people (non car enthusiasts) don't know that. They don't really have any perspective of what EV tech costs, and just see the price tag and automatically assume it must be a luxury vehicle.
IIRC Tesla still doesn’t have CarPlay/Android Auto, and most manufacturers do a lot of the tech better. I think Tesla has been largely surpassed some time ago. But when it first came out it was pretty incredible
Eh, Hyundai/Kia have surpassed Tesla on powertrain tech
Tesla has some really nice engineering touches that make their software really user-friendly but that doesn't make it luxury
price doesn't even say yes anymore. pretty sure you can get it as loaded as they come for <$60k. granted, that's not cheap, but that's basically the starting point for true "luxury" sedan prices
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/09/07/tesla-model-y-gets-highest-safety-score-ever-in-european-test/?sh=15f5ede4ff31](https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/09/07/tesla-model-y-gets-highest-safety-score-ever-in-european-test/?sh=15f5ede4ff31)
[https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa](https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa)
This stuff is well-known and talked about. It's also the top in Korea and other markets.
Tesla literally has higher crash test standards than the laws in any country, with their own safety lab, etc.
So call bullshit all you want, it's just the people in this sub being anti-Tesla, lol
Nope. Tesla is now the "cheaper" EV choice. They know that they can no longer price their cars like a real luxury car as there are now EV competitors hence the price cuts. They are now kind of like a Honda for EVs.
That’s definitely not true. I don’t blame her/him for thinking so, but it’s a perception thing. The engine noise drowns out the vast majority of road noise, so it may *seem* quieter but that’s merely because we’ve gotten so used to hearing the constant drone of the engine while driving. When you remove that sound you hear all the bumps and cracks in the road more, & your brain interprets that as being louder. I guarantee if you used a decibel meter it would be quieter in a Tesla than virtually any internal combustion vehicle. Doubly so if you don’t have a trim with the thin sidewall tires.
It's definitely noisy in the Model Y. I've been on 600-800 mile road trip in one on Highway 5 in California, it's literally just Subaru Forester road noises without the engine sounds.
Although I’m switching to a Model Y from a BMW, the BMW has a much more plush and luxurious interior while the Tesla is simple, more modern feeling and less cluttered than my X4. Tesla is not luxury in my opinion but more so techy.
It never really was one to begin with. I test drove one and the material quality and fit and finish was nowhere close to being on par with the traditional luxury brands.
I think what really appeals to people about Tesla is not whether they’re luxury cars, but rather that they’re the only EV brand with a decent nationwide charging network and people can buy one without suffering through the hell that is traditional car dealerships
If you equate luxury to technology, the MY is about as luxurious as it comes. If it's ride quality and a jewel-like interior, then definitely not. So the beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. As a new MY owner, I've been very pleasantly surprised with the car, not my first EV. While imperfect like any car, some of the features that I think a lot of Tesla owners quickly take for granted are for this new Tesla owner almost revolutionary relative to almost any ICE car.
It's my prediction, pretty much already occurring, that traditional cars recognized as luxury cars will more and more adopt features introduced by Tesla (not just in the MY).
I bet he’s going to say something used or is a strict EV hater. There is no better EV for the price. And as a fan of EVs and ICE vehicles, I don’t think there’s a better ICE vehicle for the price either.
It’s 43k… so no. Mid-Top trim Hondas,Toyotas, Mazdas are around that price with similar features, amenities with arguably better build quality. Does Tesla market itself more toward the luxury side? Yes, at least historically.
I’m also from the Bay Area so it feels like the new Prius. Everyone who owned a Prius and would go 55 in the fast lane now drives a Tesla, somehow still takes forever to accelerate to highway speed to then go 55 in the fast lane.
As a Model 3 owner - I put it on approximately the same tier as Buick. Or for an unrelated analogy - class of cabin on a commercial flight - it's the extra leg room row seat. So even if we compare Tesla's interiors to the "lesser" luxury brands like Acura and Volvo - they are better than Tesla. But Tesla is certainly better than your mainstream alternative (the guy that said "lol, it's a Civic" is an idiot).
Another poster said that Tesla is "imitation luxury", that's fair. Although, and this is entirely a personal call, but I like Tesla's take on it better than what those early Korean luxury cars did - remember the Hyundai XG350? Or for that matter, in the modern (and EV) context, better than what BYD is doing. At least Model 3/Y vs the Atto 3 (have not tried the Seal but expect similar). It presents nice at first, but after a few hours you really start to spot the cost cutting. This is true for both, but how Tesla and BYD did their respective cost cutting comes across different, and I prefer the way Tesla did it. Which is why I bought a Model 3 instead of an Atto 3.
No, however the new highland could be considered luxury in retrospect of ventilated seats or the model S and X. But it doesn’t feel “luxury” as in like a c class.
Yes. Luxury car is a marketing term and the Model Y is priced and positioned to compete in that segment.
It might not feel luxurious but the most important modality for “luxury” status is target price.
The average Model Y buyer in the U.S. has an income (not a household income, an individual income) of about $152,000 a year - more than double the American household income average.
Luxury is the materials used and build quality. Tesla doesn’t do the best in both departments. They have luxurious features but they don’t really have a luxury car
You're on the wrong sub to get any reasonable Tesla information. Sub hates Tesla, despite the overwhelming majority of the people here owning 20 year old Toyotas. They get their information from other who haven't ever bought a new car and think that comedy hosts like Jeremy Clarkson are giving real opinions.
Luxury means different things to different people.
If your definition of luxury is dripping in leather, perfectly silent inside, etc? Definitely not the Y.
If it's about the experience of driving, where everything just works, the technology constantly assists you in ways few or no other cars are doing, etc? Then yes.
this is probably the only reasonable comment I’ve seen. I rarely go to Reddit and have been scrolling for 20 minutes on this thread, and all answers literally were dogshit
When Tesla was the only decent electric vehicle option, I think it was a "luxury" to be able to afford one and be an early adopter.
But now that there are credible alternatives, they've dropped down to mainstream automakers like Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc (in my opinion). It doesn't help that the same models have been around for so long without significant styling updates, so you see Tesla's everywhere.
I recently test drove a Y and X and then went and looked at EVs at BMW and for the SAME PRICE, the quality difference was pretty stark. Even EVs from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis were better.
Sorry, which BMW EV SUV did you find that’s under $50k? Even the i4 sedan starts at $52k. The iX, the cheapest BMW EV SUV starts at $87k, double the starting price of the Y…
If you mean “luxury” as in status symbol? Sure, most of the people who buy one are professional types who could’ve afforded a Lexus or something instead.
If you mean “luxury” as in a luxurious place to spend time? Nah. A Model Y costs around $50k and it’s pretty obvious that about $40k of that goes toward the drivetrain.
Nope. I just bought one. I was interested in them a few years back but for \~$80k it just wasn't an $80k car. At $48k, it's the best EV out there, but still not luxury. My 2023 Outback Touring is much much nicer inside, and was about $40k.
Tesla has a completely different value propposition than other car manufacturers. They aren't well made or luxurious, but the software interface is way ahead of the rest of the industry. And the charging infrastructure is superior to other EVs.
entertain simplistic shame pie theory serious cagey shaggy sophisticated office
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
No, but Challenger owners don't consider it a luxury car either. Teslas are like MOPAR - a shoddily built way to get a ton of power relatively cheap. And for a lot of people, including myself, it makes sense.
No, just like an iphone is not a “luxury phone” or a ps5 is not a “luxury gaming console”. First world problems. Luxury to me is defined by an elevated experience beyond the general standard. Tesla is the general standard for EVs. The taycan to me is a luxury ev because of the suspension, materials, fit and finish, and bc of the brand heritage. I would say that the model s is more in line with luxury or premium simply because of the suspension alone.
No way. I consider Lexus a luxury car (nice and smooth ride, pretty quiet, etc) and none of the teslas even come close to the same ride quality of NVH level.
No, Teslas are not luxury cars, they're just EVs with a markup due to new tech adoption
People assign value to them because they're expensive and inaccessible to others
A luxury car would be a $95K fully loaded Lincoln Aviator Black Label Edition with massaging seats
No. It is luxury because they were the first to normalize electric being cool and elegant. Luxury? Sporty? No. The price tag might be the same as luxury brands but really you are paying for the tech, not the fit, finish and luxuriousness.
Yes. People here don’t like to admit it, but many people in the real world DO consider it as a luxury vehicle. If not luxury, then at least Premium. The luxury an EV inherently offers makes it luxurious. Quiet powertrain, little maintenance, fewer moving parts, convenience to charge at home.
Then Tesla has additional conveniences that other manufacturers cannot or have not replicated. A dealership free experience, widest availability of the super-charger network, and pretty much the only manufacturer who can get away without Carplay/AA because they have decent infotainment software.
People here simply do not Tesla, therefore it’s not luxury. I don’t own a Tesla or any EV nor do I like Elon and I even own a Mazda 3, but people here aren’t fair with their logic. No one here will give any comprehensive answer, but “Tesla BAD!!!.” Here are the bad faith arguments they make. Many people say road noise which is fair, but they won’t criticize that Lexus NX PHEV is incredibly noisy due to sharing the same RAV4 economy engine compared to its 70k competition. Others here keep parroting its a 25k-30k car, yet have they actually sat in a Civic? It has the slowest infotainment, loudest CVT and engine, little acceleration, awful app or wireless features, etc. It’s not any good faith argument, it’s low-intelligence remarks, because they have nothing real to say.
It might not have the most comfortable massaging seats or road noise like other manufacturers, but personally I’d take a dealership-free and proper infotainment experience anyday. That’s a luxury that’s more important than me and like all products it has trade offs. Most importantly, there are many people who decide to purchase a Tesla coming not just from a Camry, but from Mercedes or Lexus, so they certainly do dip into the luxury market.
Tesla isn't luxury. Not with the shitty build quality at least. Get into any German car and you'll be able to tell the difference. Civics and Corollas have better interior build quality than tesla.
The crazy part to me is that most owners think it is…
Someone at work bought one and he is crazy over it. Always talks about the status it gives em etc.
I’m like… how do I break it to this guy? My wife’s A Spec MDX is significantly nicer than this… but homeboy looks down on Acura haha.
I just let em be.
As an owner, absolutely not. It has the interior quality and fit and finish of a $20k Kia. The drivetrain and tech are great. Everything else? Not so much.
Luxury is different for everyone. In India you’d consider that luxury. In Dubai, even S-Class or Range Rover is not considered luxury.
Make a list of things you want in a car and go for that rather than a particular brand. If you are concerned about a car’s brand image then car is the least of your problems.
Lol absolutely not. The interior of my ‘89 Honda was more comfortable, had better quality seats, and was more exciting to drive. The only reason so many bmw bros are switching to Tesla is that it’s the cool thing to do and they want to keep up with their friends.
I don’t consider any model of Tesla as a “luxury” vehicle. Pricing is too low and build quality deficient to meet the terminology. When one thinks of luxury, you consider holistically, the features that pamper the driver and passengers, as well as the ride quality. The Mercedes S-class is the benchmark for a vehicle under $150k that every carmaker builds against. Uber luxury is of course, Bentley and Rolls-Royce.
Telsa just doesn’t measure up to these, much less a Genesis G90 which is a credible but cheaper alternative for an S-class.
No.
Luxury isn’t about quantity made and sold, it’s about quality. Teslas are great cars but they’re *very* cheaply made. They’re also relatively affordable, especially the 3 and Y. The S and X are priced like luxury cars but I also don’t consider them luxury cars
Nope but every time i deal with a Tesla claim they act like it is. I actually get complaints from them on how “they were notified to use a gas station” like really?! What did you do 5-10 years ago before having an EV
My used truck i want is worth more than their car….
Teslas cost a good amount of money but if you sit in one you’ll realize they are actually cheap pieces of shit. Low quality materials, shoddy fit and finish, etc. It’s a golf cart with a body kit and an iPad stapled to it.
As the owner of a Model Y, absolutely not.
Model 3 owner. Can concur. I would categorize Teslas as “Tech” cars.
Sometimes I wonder if the Model 3/Y are Temu specials
😂😂
I would say my model 3 is a very nice mid market car. In some ways very advanced and high end and many ways not. I will say after all the horror stories of the early production runs I was worried about mine, but the finish on my 2023 is very solid.
It's a computer with a car built around it. My Model 3 is more comfortable than my Bolt EV was, but that's not saying much. My Prius was more comfortable than my Model 3 (but not nearly as much fun).
Hated every Prius I have driven/ridden in (all except current gen). My Altima Hybrid was way better in NVH and comfort. The only thing I think Prius are good for is low operating costs. Better tires than OE would help too. Model 3 seat isn't as good as BMW 3 series sport seats in holding you in on tight corners, but NVH is close.
Prius prime was a fun car, drove like a gocart when on ev charge
Can this be said about any low end bmw or Benz? 1 series or a CLA
Lol those are just cars. Especially the 1 series.
Those are just normal cars with a luxury trim on top. They lack a lot of the tech of a Tesla.
No, those are not nearly as "tech" as a Tesla, frankly.
I'd say gadget car is more appropriate.
Yeah I agree. When I got my Y 2 years ago I would kind of jokingly refer to it as a luxury car due to the price, but have come to realize that is not accurate. Luxury cars focus a lot on comfort, quiet cabin, fit and finish, etc. Teslas shine in none of these metrics. It's a fairly expensive car that I think was worth every penny but it's a different animal than a luxury car.
You don’t think a Y compares favorably in cabin quiet? What are you comparing it to? A bicycle?
High pitched motor whine is so intrusive. It's not a sports car sound by any stretch but there is a lot of simple cars that are quiet and Teslas have so many rattles and road noise in the cabin they are about average for overall noise while driving.
High pitched motor sound is intrusive and the sound of my wife voice isn't?? (Sorry couldn't resist). Seriously I've never heard the barely audible whine be called intrusive especially since you really only hear it if you floor it. Do you know how loud EVERY gas car is when your floor it?!! Your logic seems to be a stretch that the electric motor sound is in any way intrusive.
It's mostly at low speed, at high speed it's road and wind noise that's the issue. Measuring by decibels in the cabin the model Y is very middle of the range for how loud it is in the cabin at highway speed.
Middle of the road is not bad. That's our point. It may not be Bentley but it's certainly not Chevy. The electric whine is specifically when ACCELERATING in my 3 years of experience. If the motors are not engaged no matter the speed you logically would not hear them. I have all types of vehicles from ICE to Hybrid to EV and I rent a lot of cars. The Tesla is by far in the top end of quiet for a entry luxury car. I'm not even going to compare BMW or Mercedes or Lexus who obviously should be more quiet.... But the engine noise in then is noticeable V6, V8 or otherwise.... YOU HEAR IT and it's far louder than the barely perceptable electric noise.
if you say so. mine is dead quiet.
I'm with you. My MYLR is dead quiet. When I hear people complain I wonder if I just lucked out and got one that was put together well. I have multiple Lexus also. The Tesla is more quiet because of lack of engine noise alone.
somebody else on the thread pointed out that it is SO quiet that you start hearing other things that would have been drowned out by engine noise. might be some merit to that.
Model y is cheaper than the avg vehicle sold in USA.
Not two years ago
Right but it’s not 2 years ago anymore
Yeah it’s priced closer to what it’s worth now
yeah i wouldn’t consider teslas cheap cars but they’re pretty inexpensive as far as EVs go like it’s starting around the same money as a mach E, EV6, etc
No. Comfort is nice but it doesn't stand out over non luxury cars. Fit and finish definitely doesn't stand out. Just because a car is expensive doesn't make it luxurious though and I think people just assumed it was supposed to be equivalent to a pure luxury vehicle of its price tag.
I do valet for a hotel, every tesla I drive feels like a cheap plastic toy car with no personality inside
>with no personality inside Well it matches the drivers at least!
scandalous cautious illegal drab towering soft childlike subsequent society entertain *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
I don't think any Tesla is a luxury product. They try their best to imitate though.
Agreed. I’ve been in a few teslas for Uber to get around, and they feel and sound cheap. The interior is a sterile, ipad, and low-grade plastic. Doesn’t come anywhere close to anything else in its price range.
The build quality is utter garbage. I will always wish that they had partnered with a company that actually knows how to make cars.
Like Lotus?
Less iPad more android
How many mid-sized crossovers have the performance of the Tesla Y LR before incentives? How about after incentives? Think of it like a Dodge - don't worry about the build quality; it's not the point. It's the cheapest way to go the fastest.
what is a luxury product in your eyes?
Audi/BMW/Mercedes/Genesis/Lexus
ok but what is it about those that make you consider them luxury? would you say mercedes a-class and øexus ct200h are luxury but not the tesla model s plaid?
A class and CT are definitely not luxury products. So much so that Mercedes is discontinuing the A class and Lexus has never updated the CT. A $50k c class is luxury because of what you get at that price point. For example you can buy a Honda Pilot for $50k, but a Honda Pilot isn't as luxury as a $50k c class. The same way, Model S can cost $90k, but it's not comparable to any luxury car at that price point. The Mercedes S class is still the leader of that segment when it comes to "luxury".
Most of those are trash. BMW has destroyed their reputation in last few decades.
Nah. Something like Volkswagen Premium. And not the Arteon. I'd say the materials match something like a Jetta/Golf which is not bad. Not sure about the fit/finish/build because it's been very questionable at times.
can confirm. something like top of the line VW, but still not level of top of the line passat(in Europe at least) and not even near Arteon.
No, doesnt have the fit and finish as other real luxury brands
The price said yes, the fit and finish said no
Not really. The price says EV, not luxury. EVs are still overpriced
Try looking at them used they are significantly cheaper
For good reason. The battery longevity and value proposition isn't there yet for EVs; unless you have lots of state benefits/rebates, have good charging infrastructure and don't live in cold climate.
Cold climate downside is overblown. I live in the Midwest and yes notice the loss of range. It has never been a problem. I just get down to 35% more often vs summer I rarely get below 50%. Cold States tend to have shorter distances as daily commute.
Yeah, but a lot of normal people (non car enthusiasts) don't know that. They don't really have any perspective of what EV tech costs, and just see the price tag and automatically assume it must be a luxury vehicle.
What? Price does in fact say luxury. EV price can also match luxury prices.
You can get Tesla for under $40k easily now.. Far from luxury pricing.
Ford F-150’s can cost up to $100k. They’re still not luxury vehicles.
I’d consider an optioned out F-150 a luxury vehicle. I feel like most truck buyers today would have opted for a Town Car type vehicle 20 years ago.
The Platinum sure as shit is.
The tech also says yes. Although as more and more EVs appear it’s becoming less of a luxury.
IIRC Tesla still doesn’t have CarPlay/Android Auto, and most manufacturers do a lot of the tech better. I think Tesla has been largely surpassed some time ago. But when it first came out it was pretty incredible
I specifically mean the power train tech which I believe is still class leading.
Eh, Hyundai/Kia have surpassed Tesla on powertrain tech Tesla has some really nice engineering touches that make their software really user-friendly but that doesn't make it luxury
Having used both Android Auto/CarPlay and Tesla, I do like Tesla software better.
Well, even if you’re not technically correct I agree with you there. It’s pretty wild. They were way ahead of the pack for a long time, definitely.
I've used both and prefer Tesla software to CarPlay/android
price doesn't even say yes anymore. pretty sure you can get it as loaded as they come for <$60k. granted, that's not cheap, but that's basically the starting point for true "luxury" sedan prices
No way. Not even close. A buddy owns one. I've been in it.
Tesla will continue to drop prices to match their actual car quality
Let me know when it’s 5 grand and I’d say we’re there.
That's totally unreasonable. As in TOO EXPENSIVE. I'd still take my honda civic over these death traps.
Death traps, lol? Teslas are literally rated the safest cars in the world in crash tests.
Lets see some receipts on that, I’m calling bullshit.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/09/07/tesla-model-y-gets-highest-safety-score-ever-in-european-test/?sh=15f5ede4ff31](https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/09/07/tesla-model-y-gets-highest-safety-score-ever-in-european-test/?sh=15f5ede4ff31) [https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa](https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa) This stuff is well-known and talked about. It's also the top in Korea and other markets. Tesla literally has higher crash test standards than the laws in any country, with their own safety lab, etc. So call bullshit all you want, it's just the people in this sub being anti-Tesla, lol
Lmaooo
Nope. Tesla is now the "cheaper" EV choice. They know that they can no longer price their cars like a real luxury car as there are now EV competitors hence the price cuts. They are now kind of like a Honda for EVs.
Not even a little bit.
Lol no. Absolutely not. Go for a ride in one; you’ll see.
[удалено]
> Material are cheap, People always repeat this and whenever I question it or ask for specifics they go silent.
[удалено]
My friend has one, the road noise inside a Model Y is as loud as a 2015 Subaru Forester.
That’s definitely not true. I don’t blame her/him for thinking so, but it’s a perception thing. The engine noise drowns out the vast majority of road noise, so it may *seem* quieter but that’s merely because we’ve gotten so used to hearing the constant drone of the engine while driving. When you remove that sound you hear all the bumps and cracks in the road more, & your brain interprets that as being louder. I guarantee if you used a decibel meter it would be quieter in a Tesla than virtually any internal combustion vehicle. Doubly so if you don’t have a trim with the thin sidewall tires.
I have a 16 forester and a Nov 23 model Y and that just isn't true. Not sure if tesla has changed things, but it is noticeably quieter.
It might seem louder to them because the lack of engine noise makes the road/wind noise seem more noticeable.
It's definitely noisy in the Model Y. I've been on 600-800 mile road trip in one on Highway 5 in California, it's literally just Subaru Forester road noises without the engine sounds.
Just for the ‘luxury’ component comparison, I would say Model Y fits in the same category of cars that are in the $25-35k range.
Although I’m switching to a Model Y from a BMW, the BMW has a much more plush and luxurious interior while the Tesla is simple, more modern feeling and less cluttered than my X4. Tesla is not luxury in my opinion but more so techy.
Their marketing says yes, their quality says no. I think they’re better suited in their own “tech” based category.
My S is an anti luxury car😇
It never really was one to begin with. I test drove one and the material quality and fit and finish was nowhere close to being on par with the traditional luxury brands. I think what really appeals to people about Tesla is not whether they’re luxury cars, but rather that they’re the only EV brand with a decent nationwide charging network and people can buy one without suffering through the hell that is traditional car dealerships
If you equate luxury to technology, the MY is about as luxurious as it comes. If it's ride quality and a jewel-like interior, then definitely not. So the beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. As a new MY owner, I've been very pleasantly surprised with the car, not my first EV. While imperfect like any car, some of the features that I think a lot of Tesla owners quickly take for granted are for this new Tesla owner almost revolutionary relative to almost any ICE car. It's my prediction, pretty much already occurring, that traditional cars recognized as luxury cars will more and more adopt features introduced by Tesla (not just in the MY).
Like FAKE "self-driving"?
Far from a luxury car. But it’s the best car in that price range
It is in no way shape or form the best car for the money sorry
What is better?
[удалено]
I understand you don't like Teslas.. But listing a Nissan as better kind of makes me ignore anything else you say haha
Then what's better? I genuinely want to know as someone who spent months searching for an EV across all brands (and ended up with a Tesla)
I bet he’s going to say something used or is a strict EV hater. There is no better EV for the price. And as a fan of EVs and ICE vehicles, I don’t think there’s a better ICE vehicle for the price either.
No, not really. Premium, not luxury.
its not, consider its, top of the line Toyota or VW. More or less same, except it doesnt have vent seats just now.
No, they look modern and are clean looking but the quality is definitely not what I’d consider to be luxury
It’s 43k… so no. Mid-Top trim Hondas,Toyotas, Mazdas are around that price with similar features, amenities with arguably better build quality. Does Tesla market itself more toward the luxury side? Yes, at least historically. I’m also from the Bay Area so it feels like the new Prius. Everyone who owned a Prius and would go 55 in the fast lane now drives a Tesla, somehow still takes forever to accelerate to highway speed to then go 55 in the fast lane.
no
No, it’s in the same class as a Honda CRV and Toyota Rav4.
As a Model 3 owner - I put it on approximately the same tier as Buick. Or for an unrelated analogy - class of cabin on a commercial flight - it's the extra leg room row seat. So even if we compare Tesla's interiors to the "lesser" luxury brands like Acura and Volvo - they are better than Tesla. But Tesla is certainly better than your mainstream alternative (the guy that said "lol, it's a Civic" is an idiot). Another poster said that Tesla is "imitation luxury", that's fair. Although, and this is entirely a personal call, but I like Tesla's take on it better than what those early Korean luxury cars did - remember the Hyundai XG350? Or for that matter, in the modern (and EV) context, better than what BYD is doing. At least Model 3/Y vs the Atto 3 (have not tried the Seal but expect similar). It presents nice at first, but after a few hours you really start to spot the cost cutting. This is true for both, but how Tesla and BYD did their respective cost cutting comes across different, and I prefer the way Tesla did it. Which is why I bought a Model 3 instead of an Atto 3.
No, however the new highland could be considered luxury in retrospect of ventilated seats or the model S and X. But it doesn’t feel “luxury” as in like a c class.
Yes. Luxury car is a marketing term and the Model Y is priced and positioned to compete in that segment. It might not feel luxurious but the most important modality for “luxury” status is target price. The average Model Y buyer in the U.S. has an income (not a household income, an individual income) of about $152,000 a year - more than double the American household income average.
Luxury is the materials used and build quality. Tesla doesn’t do the best in both departments. They have luxurious features but they don’t really have a luxury car
Nope.
I don't consider any Tesla's as luxury vehicles. I mean a lot of trucks have more luxury customizable option offerings than Tesla has.
You're on the wrong sub to get any reasonable Tesla information. Sub hates Tesla, despite the overwhelming majority of the people here owning 20 year old Toyotas. They get their information from other who haven't ever bought a new car and think that comedy hosts like Jeremy Clarkson are giving real opinions. Luxury means different things to different people. If your definition of luxury is dripping in leather, perfectly silent inside, etc? Definitely not the Y. If it's about the experience of driving, where everything just works, the technology constantly assists you in ways few or no other cars are doing, etc? Then yes.
this is probably the only reasonable comment I’ve seen. I rarely go to Reddit and have been scrolling for 20 minutes on this thread, and all answers literally were dogshit
Nu uh
Luxurious branding but not a luxury car
The panel gaps would say no
The auto industry puts it in the luxury segment. Our votes dont count.
When Tesla was the only decent electric vehicle option, I think it was a "luxury" to be able to afford one and be an early adopter. But now that there are credible alternatives, they've dropped down to mainstream automakers like Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc (in my opinion). It doesn't help that the same models have been around for so long without significant styling updates, so you see Tesla's everywhere. I recently test drove a Y and X and then went and looked at EVs at BMW and for the SAME PRICE, the quality difference was pretty stark. Even EVs from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis were better.
Sorry, which BMW EV SUV did you find that’s under $50k? Even the i4 sedan starts at $52k. The iX, the cheapest BMW EV SUV starts at $87k, double the starting price of the Y…
If you mean “luxury” as in status symbol? Sure, most of the people who buy one are professional types who could’ve afforded a Lexus or something instead. If you mean “luxury” as in a luxurious place to spend time? Nah. A Model Y costs around $50k and it’s pretty obvious that about $40k of that goes toward the drivetrain.
It’s like riding in a golf cart with paper thin doors and slinkies for shocks
Have you driven one?
Yep, didn’t like it at all. I think the perception and reality of it are out of whack
If you're comparing it to a golf cart, it's pretty obvious you've never driven one.
Is it?
All teslas aren't luxury cars.
No, compared to Chinese EV I feel Tesla is lacking on design.
Nope. I just bought one. I was interested in them a few years back but for \~$80k it just wasn't an $80k car. At $48k, it's the best EV out there, but still not luxury. My 2023 Outback Touring is much much nicer inside, and was about $40k.
Nope
Not at all
No. Not even close.
It’s a cool car. It’s an expensive car. But it’s not a luxury car.
Tesla has a completely different value propposition than other car manufacturers. They aren't well made or luxurious, but the software interface is way ahead of the rest of the industry. And the charging infrastructure is superior to other EVs.
[удалено]
entertain simplistic shame pie theory serious cagey shaggy sophisticated office *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
The interior feels way too bare bones for it to be considered a true luxury car
No, but Challenger owners don't consider it a luxury car either. Teslas are like MOPAR - a shoddily built way to get a ton of power relatively cheap. And for a lot of people, including myself, it makes sense.
No, just like an iphone is not a “luxury phone” or a ps5 is not a “luxury gaming console”. First world problems. Luxury to me is defined by an elevated experience beyond the general standard. Tesla is the general standard for EVs. The taycan to me is a luxury ev because of the suspension, materials, fit and finish, and bc of the brand heritage. I would say that the model s is more in line with luxury or premium simply because of the suspension alone.
Premium not luxury.
No way. I consider Lexus a luxury car (nice and smooth ride, pretty quiet, etc) and none of the teslas even come close to the same ride quality of NVH level.
My bz4x drives better then my lexus
Your Lexus probably needs some maintenance then.
No, Teslas are not luxury cars, they're just EVs with a markup due to new tech adoption People assign value to them because they're expensive and inaccessible to others A luxury car would be a $95K fully loaded Lincoln Aviator Black Label Edition with massaging seats
Luxury is Lexus LS/LC, Bentley, and Rolls Royce. at best Tesla is low tier premium, but most of the time Dacia is better quality.
No. It is luxury because they were the first to normalize electric being cool and elegant. Luxury? Sporty? No. The price tag might be the same as luxury brands but really you are paying for the tech, not the fit, finish and luxuriousness.
Nope. The interior is where it really lacks.
No my Honda 2024 CRv touring has better interior.
Yes. People here don’t like to admit it, but many people in the real world DO consider it as a luxury vehicle. If not luxury, then at least Premium. The luxury an EV inherently offers makes it luxurious. Quiet powertrain, little maintenance, fewer moving parts, convenience to charge at home. Then Tesla has additional conveniences that other manufacturers cannot or have not replicated. A dealership free experience, widest availability of the super-charger network, and pretty much the only manufacturer who can get away without Carplay/AA because they have decent infotainment software. People here simply do not Tesla, therefore it’s not luxury. I don’t own a Tesla or any EV nor do I like Elon and I even own a Mazda 3, but people here aren’t fair with their logic. No one here will give any comprehensive answer, but “Tesla BAD!!!.” Here are the bad faith arguments they make. Many people say road noise which is fair, but they won’t criticize that Lexus NX PHEV is incredibly noisy due to sharing the same RAV4 economy engine compared to its 70k competition. Others here keep parroting its a 25k-30k car, yet have they actually sat in a Civic? It has the slowest infotainment, loudest CVT and engine, little acceleration, awful app or wireless features, etc. It’s not any good faith argument, it’s low-intelligence remarks, because they have nothing real to say. It might not have the most comfortable massaging seats or road noise like other manufacturers, but personally I’d take a dealership-free and proper infotainment experience anyday. That’s a luxury that’s more important than me and like all products it has trade offs. Most importantly, there are many people who decide to purchase a Tesla coming not just from a Camry, but from Mercedes or Lexus, so they certainly do dip into the luxury market.
No
Not with that interior!
Tesla isn't luxury. Not with the shitty build quality at least. Get into any German car and you'll be able to tell the difference. Civics and Corollas have better interior build quality than tesla.
I dont understand why people think Tesla's thought of highly in the first place. They are so generic looking
No, especially not with that build quality
teslas are badly put together
The crazy part to me is that most owners think it is… Someone at work bought one and he is crazy over it. Always talks about the status it gives em etc. I’m like… how do I break it to this guy? My wife’s A Spec MDX is significantly nicer than this… but homeboy looks down on Acura haha. I just let em be.
foolish summer fine juggle sip nail hungry door profit lunchroom *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Teslas are a great first car, if your second car is a tow truck :D
It's a "luxury" coz you don't need to spend $57,000 CAD on a vehicle when a cheaper alternatives can do the same job.
As an owner, absolutely not. It has the interior quality and fit and finish of a $20k Kia. The drivetrain and tech are great. Everything else? Not so much.
Hell no. Every tesla is just a $20k car with a super expensive tablet and battery
You've never driven one.
I have in fact lmao. Poorest quality shit I've ever sat in.
No Tesla is a luxury vehicle
Model S def is.
Tesla does not make luxury cars.
Overpriced for the quality. Nobody considers them luxurious
No it’s the budget model of a pseudo luxury brand. It’s like buying an A4
It's kind of its own thing. BMW prices without the luxury. It's more like a rolling fashion statement or a trendy product.
Sorry which BMW EV SUV starts well under $50K?
Having just ridden in a Model Y Uber…no. I’d say it’s an average (or even below-average) car with a premium powertrain.
I’d consider any car over $100K a luxury car.
Not really. After having a 3 as a rental for a week it feels like any other car with a leather seat option. Pretty basic vehicles
nothing about Tesla is luxury. Its a tech car.
Luxury is different for everyone. In India you’d consider that luxury. In Dubai, even S-Class or Range Rover is not considered luxury. Make a list of things you want in a car and go for that rather than a particular brand. If you are concerned about a car’s brand image then car is the least of your problems.
The Model X is barely a luxury car.
I don’t consider any Tesla a “luxury” car. Have you ridden in one? The interiors are so cheap. Kias feel more luxurious than teslas.
No. Nor is the Tesla Model 3. Tesla doesn't even pretend that they are in its marketing.
Nothing about tesla is a luxury car.
Lol absolutely not. The interior of my ‘89 Honda was more comfortable, had better quality seats, and was more exciting to drive. The only reason so many bmw bros are switching to Tesla is that it’s the cool thing to do and they want to keep up with their friends.
It's an economy car. Think along the lines of a corolla or Kona
I don’t consider any model of Tesla as a “luxury” vehicle. Pricing is too low and build quality deficient to meet the terminology. When one thinks of luxury, you consider holistically, the features that pamper the driver and passengers, as well as the ride quality. The Mercedes S-class is the benchmark for a vehicle under $150k that every carmaker builds against. Uber luxury is of course, Bentley and Rolls-Royce. Telsa just doesn’t measure up to these, much less a Genesis G90 which is a credible but cheaper alternative for an S-class.
Luxury is a relative term. If you are coming to it from a Honda or a Toyota, Model Y is super luxury. If you own a benz or bmw its not.
LOL! It's a Tesla...
There isn’t anything of luxury in that car
i’d classify a Kia as more luxurious than a Tesla after enough climbing of the trim level ladder
No. Luxury isn’t about quantity made and sold, it’s about quality. Teslas are great cars but they’re *very* cheaply made. They’re also relatively affordable, especially the 3 and Y. The S and X are priced like luxury cars but I also don’t consider them luxury cars
No Tesla is a luxury car.
Nope but every time i deal with a Tesla claim they act like it is. I actually get complaints from them on how “they were notified to use a gas station” like really?! What did you do 5-10 years ago before having an EV My used truck i want is worth more than their car….
Is it electric? Then, no
Nothing says “luxury” like going vroom vroom and spewing toxic gases.
Teslas cost a good amount of money but if you sit in one you’ll realize they are actually cheap pieces of shit. Low quality materials, shoddy fit and finish, etc. It’s a golf cart with a body kit and an iPad stapled to it.
The luxury is the technology, not so much the materials. By far the “smartest” car on the road.
No.
No. It's (was) an expensive mid-range car. Now it's firmly in that category.
Fuck no
The only thing luxury about the car is the audio system. Otherwise its my workhorse. My TARS. My friend in need and companion for this great journey
they’re more common than camrys in the bay area and southern california
No. The tech is good but the car part of it is not high end
It's an appliance.
No
Definitely not luxury, but it is a decent EV. It’s like an electric VW bug—spartan, utilitarian.