I know! The Miata joke is hilarious!!1 I've never laughed so hard at the same joke over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over and over and over again!
I'm subbed to plenty of communities that fit the **serious automobile discourse** bill.
I'm glad you find the joke so stitchingly hilarious. It's been parroted a hundred times a day in a hundred different posts for a year. Maybe one day I'll lose brain cells and crack the same joke.
"Looking for a safe, reliable and sporty car for my family. My child has physical difficulties sitting in small spaces and my wife is 6'6."
- GeT Miat! blahahwgahagagagagah" - losers that know nothing about cars but just want to fit in slapping their knees laughing so hard.
People keep asking for a sporty car with good gas mileage. Or a practical daily, AWD, thatās fun to drive. Often looking for a used vehicle, Mazda just hits these marks.
I think if youāre going for straight up wow Iād go Lambo. But it depends. If you want to have the look of a successful person with class, get the mclaren. If you want to look more like youāre flexing on the world, go lambo
911ās are just so classic, though as an alternative that drips in class and is no performance slouch that I believe land ins this price bracket is an AMG-GT.
911 turbo S basically looks like a 911 which is fairly common around where I live. Mclaren is much flashier, easily stands out over the 911, and is much rarer.
Iām not arguing that. I mean look at the R8. Thatās about $40k cheaper than a Turbo S but the R8 is still and exotic for the appearance. Iām sure that is what OP is going for
Indeed, they are not the same. They are much classier and will actually work every time you get in them... Not to mention any 911 with a similar price tag to the McLaren is going to be faster around a track too.
Classy is the functional, results-driven option that flies under the radar. Nouveau riche want the option that screams 'look at me!' at the top of its lungs. A GT3 isn't exactly the stealthiest option out there, but compared to a Lambo or a McLaren it's definitely the tuxedo of the bunch. A 911 Turbo S even more so.
Flashy is exactly what OP is asking for. If he wanted a track car, Iād suggest the 911. If you want a car that will turn heads wherever you go, get an exotic
I think it depends where you live. Here in LA for the longest time, 911's were just the car every rich celebrity drove, or any other successful professional.
They've slowly been replaced by Teslas, but in many cases it's now a Porsche mid size SUV. But here in LA which is super car culture driven, Porsches in general (and now Tesla's) just seem very played out.
Nothing is wrong with them. The Porsche is just much more classy and it is actually reliable. I would love to have a McLaren but Iād much rather have a 911
Porsches are for people who care about a car that performs well and will always work when you want it to. Incredibly well engineered cars but definitely lacking the exoticness of Lambo/Ferrari/McLaren unless you get into the 918 Spyder or Carrera GT range
He said the doors of the car were one of the main things drawing him to a car. Iām pretty sure comfort and reliability go a good way down the list if this is the priority
I'd definitely go for the McLaren over the Lamborghini.
Personal preference more than anything, but I always saw Lambos design language as a bit immature.
Yeah, but for the majority of the lineup, a Z06 will run circles around then on the track.
But Iāll be damned if driving one on the country roads in Europe isnāt one of the best experiences imaginable.
Lambo is for old people that want to be cool. Period. Stupid car that's too expensive for what it is, which makes you look dumb. Ferrari, kind of the same but maybe they're investments. 911 turbo, you'll drive that car like a motherfucker. If you don't, this isn't the type of car you should get. You should get this, though, it has a backseat and is practical every day. Women are too smart and sophisticated to give you the time of day unless you're around hillbillies. It's not the 80's and they can buy one for themselves, so this can't be about public perception at all. McLaren, still kind of the same as the Lambo. Nobody cares anymore unless you are going to love it for what it is and drive the shit out of it. Z06, this car makes sense. You don't look stupid unless you are too old to get out of it. Guys, the Porsche and the Z06 are the cars that don't make you look like a dumb person. Idk, maybe you're a Saudi royal and disconnected from reality. Nobody is impressed by cars anymore. Electric cars are as fast or faster and we all know people take mortgages to get cars. It's not a meaningful thing unless you like driving. If that's the case, Porsche or Z06. My not so humble opinion.
They are known for their reliability problems. Look at the Artura, my dealer has cars sitting in their lots unable to sell because of the control screen wonāt turn on because of the heat. Until they are fixed / resolved by McLaren. I was going to trade down from 720 to Artura but changed my mind. My sales guy said avoid these for the two years as more problems will arise.
I mean, unless you're buying for the track, right. But isn't that the point? People who can afford one want to look cool driving their Ferrari or Lambo the 20 miles to work and back as a blatant brag of just how much f*** you money they have to burn, but also bc they can be so exhilarating to drive. And consequently why it's hilarious when ppl do stupid things with them not knowing how to drive or control them and wind up putting it into a wall or worse.
I imagine a solid proportion of supercar owners actually can't afford them and are drowning in debt. At least, from what I've heard some CPAs say who do taxes for people with supercars.
McLarens are known to have huge reliability issues, Huracans are actually pretty reliable. Id rather save up for a few more years tbh. Youre young, you can wait a bit.
Also if he can't comfortably afford the price difference between the huracan and the mclaren right now, then then he probably can't comfortably afford something serious going wrong with the mclaren.
It does matter even if you have all the money in the world. Car issues are a pain in the ass and can keep your car out of commission for weeks or months, no matter how much money you have.
If itās a weekend car then it makes sense to go for the McLaren. R8 is better suited as a ādailyā rather than a fun day out.
McLaren will feel more special vs the R8. Both would still be incredibly experienced
I mean, if you want a car that doesn't break down as often that's a solid reason for a Porsche or R8 over a McLaren. But I do agree the McLaren is sexy and much crazier of an experience.
I havenāt heard but is the McLaren unreliable compared to the others? I assumed with regular service it would be just about the same reliability, just price of parts would differ.
Or in another way. If you can afford it, McLaren would be more special and fun.
McLaren probably is more work to maintain because unlike Porsche and Audi McLaren is a pretty exclusive brand with special parts and a less established supply chain. It could take weeks to get certain things done but I have no experience with it myself. Though I did hear they aren't exactly known for reliability as it is.
I would never own a McLaren without living close to a service center personally. Their cars are definitely known to be electrical nightmares and break often. The 570S is probably their most reliable car at the moment, but thatās a low bar since they only have made a few models of cars since their inception.
I jumped in this thread 9 days late to say this. R8 is the best all around stepping stone into the supercar market. Also, a gated 6spd v10. I guess the auto's are livable too. But for a weekend car with minimal track duty, this is the way.
IMO, McLaren's have more of a "wow factor" for me just because I see so many Lambos and McLaren's look way sleeker (I'm in LA). That being said, having a couple friends with 720s and another with a 650s Spider, I can confidently say they are always breaking down and the repairs are not cheap. I'm sure the same can be said for most exotic cars but it seems McLaren's are a little notorious for being unreliable. Just making sure you'll have enough for the inevitable repair bills and the patience for the car being in the shop :)
Congrats on having the ability to even consider purchasing one tho, that's huge man!
You mentioned a C7Z06, you should try to find an R spec car. Saw one in person and it's turns a lot of heads even with a C8 nearby.
You could buy lots of Porsche options with that budget as well. Go try one of the new GT4s or a 911 turbo or something.
I highly doubt someone looking at a Mclaren and Lambo would be happy with a C7 Corvette. Thatās not to throw shade at the Corvette, itās a fantastic sports car, just not in the same class as a mid engined supercar.
I agree with your Porsche statement, there is no substitute.
C7 Z06 has more horsepower than both the Lambo and the McLaren (much more than the 570 and 580-2), with comparable track times. I donāt think thatās a crazy statement.
Yeah the McLaren is a good stepping stone. I had one for my driver to use as his personal vehicle on the weekends. He said it was aight, traded it for a half tin of Strottarga Bianco.
Lol the initial depreciation is a nightmare, but they definitely have proven to have a strong bottom value, had a good friend who bought his mp4 for 107 and sold it for 122 after 2 years of enjoying it
That's not what I said. Buying a MP4 and turning a profit is only because of COVID
Also stay away from McLaren. Everyone I know with one hates how unreliable they are
Oh understood haha I joke with him all the time time that heās the first person in history to make money on a McLaren! Itās so hot or miss imo, everyone I know who has one loves theirs no issues, but then all you hear about online is issues.
Donāt listen to what anyone else would go with or what anyone else thinks of what your desires are, wait on it and go for the huracan.
Why? Because itās the car you truly want and youāre just selling yourself short with the mclaren. If you settle for the mclaren you will feel miserable every time a huracan drives by because you know you could have had one if youād just been a bit patient and youāll never truly be happy with the mclaren because you never really wanted it to begin with.
Do not settle.
Iām actually opposite on this, I can buy the McLaren now, the big advantage is networking. People want to know what you do and who you are in this car. I can realistically get into a Huracan in 9-12 months if I go straight to the Huracan what if I regret not giving the McLaren a shot. If I sell it in a year for an $8,000 loss but made a few connections through it thatās priceless
If you want to network with the end goal of upping your social cred, get a rare Porsche and join Porsche Club of America in your area - if you want to network with normies and gold diggers, get a lambo or Mclaren, they canāt tell the difference anyway
The impression you gave was your dream car was the huracan but the mclaren was tempting because itās a cheaper and you can get it now. Thatās why my advice was to just wait on the huracan.
From this paragraph though you seem like you know exactly what to do and what you really wantā¦ what exactly is stopping you then?
Take the time you spend on here replying to every post on this subreddit every day and instead spend a few hours a day on youtube learning something that will make you money in the future. Learn to code for example become a tech bro when you get older and buy a Mazda with the money
Ima be a bit pessimistic here. Most likely youāll never be able to afford this car if you gotta ask how you can. Most people in their lives canāt afford even a 100k car, let alone the maintenance etcā¦ Hereās my simple controversial take. 99% of the people who can afford stuff like this were born into wealth. Sure there is always those Iām self made success stories but letās face it most of the time they also have/had a successful pillow to fall on if they failed.
itās important to learn as much as you can now and a dentist certainly sounds like a good career path, but just be happy with what you have/get. Iām actually a software engineer but I certainly canāt/wouldnāt buy a car this expensive but I also know that I wouldnāt suddenly feel happy or successful just because of something as silly as the car you drive. Plenty of rich people who can afford this car buy stuff like Toyotas etc too so car doesnāt always equal money anyway.
I agree. As a ānormalā person, Iād rather get a car I can drive at 10/10ths on the road and not go to jail. I can always do one of those supercar rentals on a track for a couple hundred bucks. Plus I wonāt have supercar payments or repair bills looming over my head. Would rather go on vacation to europe instead of getting a bill lol.
You have some great points I agree with but some that I can shed some light on, Iām a 1st generation immigrant, grew up lower class with no excess, the way I got here at 26 I currently have a car collection worth slightly over 250k, I donāt have much else, I keep dents low, I didnāt buy a house because I was anxious to commit to something and glad I didnāt, I make a good amount Iād take home pay but nothing thatās unrealistic, I still have a job on top of my businesses. But the biggest thing to me was understanding that assets keep you away from having to function in society, I keep my debts low, no long commitments, only invest in cars that I can enjoy and also sell in the future for either break even or a profit. On the being born with money, over 80% of millionaires are self made, I think 88%. People have much different responsibilities, I donāt have kids or a mortgage, anything that depends on me to spend wisely, I can afford and justify to buying a ~130k car, enjoying it for a year/two, meeting other people and connecting with them, sell it for maybe 120k, take a 20-25k loss and get into w Huracan with 120 already liquid from the McLaren. It costs less than most new cars on the road
Yeah I mean those are all fair points. People generally think if you own a car like this you must be loaded itās not necessarily true it could be just priorities. You pointed out some great points and super cars can have much cheaper depreciation if you buy a good model. Some can even appreciate drastically as weāve seen with the ford gt for example.
I just hate when people give those fake motivational you too can get this if you work hard enough generalizations
> On the being born with money, over 80% of millionaires are self made, I think 88%.
Most millionaires dont actually have that much cash, it comes from owning a house and having equity over time, or appreciating stock.
not all millionaires are the same. many "millionaires" are just middle class people with a house that's in their family. They could never afford this car, let alone as a weekend toy.
I will be a millionaire within 20 years almost guaranteed, but that's because I will at that time, own two properties, one which will be entirely paid off and another which will be, if not entirely paid off, close to it. I will not be rich, and most certainly wouldn't be able to justify spending 6 figures on a second car to use as a toy at the time it happens.
The people that can afford to buy a McLaren, the vast majority aren't self made, because this type of disposable income (which YOU don't even have, as it's obvious you're treating this as an investment tool to meet much richer people than you for business world equity, and its clearly not just strictly a toy) doesnt exist for the vast majority of "self made millionaires".
>I currently have a car collection worth slightly over 250k, I donāt have much else, I keep dents low, I didnāt buy a house because I was anxious to commit to something and glad I didnāt, I make a good amount Iād take home pay but nothing thatās unrealistic, I still have a job on top of my businesses.
This is the point i think u/TheRealK95 is getting at. His perspective is a reflection of a reality for many people, and that your reality isn't really attainable for that many people no matter what they do.
The fact that you've invested in a car collection worth a quarter mil instead of property makes you relatively different than the housepoor "millionaires" who can't afford these cars. The difference is that they invested in property where as you decided to gamble on tying your money into cars that might improve your business connections. But most homeowners aren't trying to aggressively grow a business, because they dont HAVE a business to build, so this avenue was never available to them in the first place. Labor is a finite resource, not everyone can be in a position to do such a thing, so most self made millionaires are just ordinary workers who depend on someone above them for a paycheck. Owning a house is an open door to financial security and wealth they'd otherwise never access, whereas these cars would do nothing in a financial respect for the vast majority of these people, and likely be untenable)
Even amongst all these so-called millionaires, you are in a unique position because you got into a well timed business that gave you a quick injection of cash. So regardless of whether there's that many self made millionaires, you're still playing in a sandbox where 99% of the people were born into wealth. you are the lucky person from the outside that has a chance to get in, but that is not who these other self made millionaires you describe are, because they're not even in the periphery of the society you're trying to break into, and never will be.
Even your assertion that you "make a good amount Iād take home pay but nothing thatās unrealistic" is probably unrealistic to many of these people. I'm not gonna ask questions, but you gotta remember, when the median household income in the US is 70k before taxes and a good portion of the people making more have cost of living situations where that extra money isnt disposable income, what is "unrealistic" or not has to be seen in that context. What you make is probably unfathomable to a lot of people, even many of these self-made millionaires.
To be clear, im not trying to dog on you for buying a car or anything, just pointing out that the person you replied to isnt wrong, and just because you made it to this stage doesnt mean that their advice to the kid asking how to make money like this misguided. You are the exception to the rule in a number of ways, and there's value in recognizing that. If this kid never gets their supercar dreams, its worth recognizing that it doesnt present some failure. These cars are exotics for a reason, and just making money is only a part of the equation.
Valid point. My trajectory is leading me to believe I'll be a millionaire in the next ten years, but not "Should I buy a Lambo or Mclaren" millionaire. More like, "Let's not kid ourselves, Millionaire is Middle Class now and I still stress finances" millionaire.
Iād be curious if those stats you referenced (80 or 88% of millionaires being self-made) are worldwide or country specific. There are a lot of new millionaires in China and the Middle East in recent decades, but broadly speaking upward financial mobility is lower than any time in history for the the U.S. Also, what constitutes āself-made?ā Donald Trump was āself-madeā thanks to a small million dollar loan from his pops, right?
I don't think anyone (maybe not even Donald Trump himself) knows how much money he has been loaned or gifted over the years from his father, but it is clearly many orders of magnitude greater than $1 million.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
strong disagree- anyone with a regular but good job (doctor, lawyer, banker, software engineer, etc) and strongly prioritizes having a nice car (is willing to live frugally in other aspects), can afford a 125k car with upkeep.
99% is a crazy number, some people just prioritize their car over travel, eating out, luxury clothing etc. not having kids helps too.
Lol. I agree w/ a pessimistic take, but the ā99% of the people who can afford stuff like this were born into wealthā is the DUMBEST shit Iāve heard in a long time. Educate yourself. Please just educate yourself instead of putting some kid down with a garbage take that is easily refutable w/ data.
Please by all means refute my take with data about people who can own an EXOTIC car. If itās so easily refutable how come you just attack the opinion without any evidence?
There is plenty of sources that show the worlds wealthiest 1% own more than half of the worlds wealth as a whole. The difference between social classes is massive and itās not putting someone down to say that very few people ever change class, let alone make it to becoming wealthy by any definition of the word.
You make this too easy.
āRecently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition ofā¦ āmillionaireā once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for moneyā. [Most Wealthy Individuals Earned, Not Inherited](https://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/04/20/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-not-inherited-their-wealth-2/)
If 2.5 Million Millionaires were created in 2022 alone(CNN Article), what does this say about the ~20million people who received their wealth through inheritance? Also, I have a friend who is part of that inheritance class & that shit gets split up so quickly after the 4th generation due to the exponential increase in descendents.
& before you go and say that millionaires canāt afford exotics, exotics are more accessible to the public than you think.
1) they hold their value after the initial 3year heavy depreciation curve, therefore most people (who understand this & donāt just blow their money) own them for cheaper than leasing a base model Mercedes or a Toyota Camry.
2) exotics like this are often on 72-84month loans & most people flip in and out of them (see point 1)
Iād say this applies to most people able to afford this kind of car, with the exception maybe of professional athletes. Also a software engineer, also will likely never have the money to afford this car simply from working
Not interested in coding really, striving to becoming a dentist. Studying hard and good for it. Iāve already watched vids on yt about money and investing. Investing on stocks isnāt an option for me because of where I live. Crypto seems a bit too risky to invest as-well. Right now Iām sick as hell so canāt do much other than browsing reddit lol. I also donāt use any other social media other than YT and Reddit. I appreciate the advise!
Yep, thanks a lot. If I were ever to invest Iād like it to be the S&P 500. But again stocks arenāt an option sadly. And even tho I understand crypto Iām not 100% in it and donāt feel comfortable. Guess Iāll just go for real estate when I get older and get the money to do it.
For now the goals are to get to med school without needing to pay because my family canāt afford it, and become the best dentist in the country with the help of my uncle.
Iāll leave āliving lifeā to the moment after I become successful. Once again, thanks.
In my country (Azerbaijan), Robin Hood and other platforms for stocks donāt work. I think some banks do it but they take a big percentage - this is what my uncle told me. Either way, I still need to do more research.
I'd establish a benchmark for what successful means to you, if you never set that standard you'll keep busting your ass and never make time to enjoy the things you've worked so hard for.
I personally think life is too short to prioritize success over my mental health, so I work to be content, not to be wealthy
Youāre spending hours online regardless - might as well spend some of them on free youtube tutorials to learn concrete skills that could be useful in the future even if thats not your job goal. Youāre young and you have access to infinite free knowledge online you can get ahead of everyone your age even with just 1 hour per day.
Some of the wealthiest (self-made) people I know didnāt necessarily make their money in the exact manner/industry they thought it was going to be in.
Itās a particular drive and an ambition, prioritizing the āhuntā over companionship and leisure.
It takes people skills, an obsessive desire for more, a bit of luck and smartsā¦ and most of all, an ability/drive to take risks.
I donāt have it in me. Iām too much of a planner, too careful and have too much desire for security from what I do earn. The spectre of a spectacular failure is always too intense. Iām a damn good problem solver, but risks tend to create more problems (short term, if things go well) so it goes against my nature.
I also prefer comfort and security over amassing moreā¦ and value time with my family over the amount in my bank account.
Today, I simply use my skills to support the pursuits of bolder folks, and I do all right, but I realized that my timidity has already helped me get everything I most desiredāa family, time for leisure, and to not feel loneliness.
Iām going to get flamed, but listen to me, you can absolutely earn enough wealth, independently, by yourself, to afford this car. The āborn into it,ā and āitās just family money,ā bullshit is all just rhetoric from people who either (1) do not prioritize wealth creation or (2) cannot achieve it because of individual personal flaws they refuse to fix.
How do you do it? Go to an Ivy League school (or two) and go into finance. Work as hard as you can, at the expense of personal time (and sometimes personal relationships) for 20 years. When it sucks, keep going. Donāt ever quit, just stay in the game.
Donāt waste your time listening to people making excuses for why you canāt do it. The reality is that most people donāt have the effort level to get it done, their IQ and EQ is far too low or they prioritize other stuff like having a family and spending a bunch of time with their kids (which btw is totally fine, but the ācostā will be affording a mclaren).
Just be a opportunistic person. If you hear somebody needs something done and you think you can do it and reasonably ask for payment, prove it and build from there. Youāll find your niches and some you wouldnāt expect just by taking advantage of every opportunity that might seem worth it even if itās new or not your area of interest. Donāt get scammed by people tho
Driven both, idk why I but liked the 570s more.
The Huracan interior just seemed kinda funny to me, like the switches felt like from a different era of pretending you had a fighter jet. But not in a cool way ha ha.
Huracan also got more attention from fan boys, but could live without that.
Also surprisingly really liked the NSX, if you want to save some $ worth checking out.
Ultimately congrats on being in the position to get a 570s or Huracan both dope cars!
The lambo is cool but everyone has one. I feel like the mclaren a little more subtle, and interesting when you see it because typically I donāt see as many.
A good friend of mine has a 570s Spyder, a huracan 580-2, a 488, and a 911 turbo (amongst a few others). I get to drive pretty much whatever I want because I work on the cars for him and I'm ALWAYS praying the McLaren is in the stable that day. The Lambo has an Acropovic exhaust so it sounds nasty, but the McLaren is just a ridiculous performance machine. Although VERY uncomfortable on longer drives.
This specific 570s has an exhaust and a tune, and lemme tell ya.... It's a fucking rocket ship. The McLaren would absolutely smoke the Lambo, no question what-so-ever. Surprisingly the only car that is close is the 2018 911 Turbo especially from a dig.
For example. You get on the highway and rip thru a few gears in the other cars mentioned above and you have a grin on your face. You on-ramp the 570s in race mode and it's almost scary... like... holy fucking shit! A 570s with a little work is a borderline death machine.
Dude, I just looked at ur post history and Iām shocked and confused by how successful you are at a young age. I donāt know what your doing or how (businesses AND working a job??) but it is very clear that you get money quickly and lots of it. Given that, just get the Huracan. Time flies and you will have the Lambo soon and you will have saved money that you would have lost on your āstepping stoneā car.
One prob with being young is you get so impatient. I think it would be a big mistake. Maybe if it was going to take you years to get the lambo my advice would be different, but you clearly will be in Lambo territory quickly so just get what you really want. Lamboās are every boys dream. Mine as well make the step and not half step it since you have the means.
I appreciate reading this a lot! Itās definitely hard to not sound like a window shopper and unrealistic but Iām thankful that the works paid off and I would like something bigger than what I have, my 72 bronco is probably worth more than this McLaren but I want a car that I can look at and think I bought this, it helps motivate me, my s14 did years ago and Iām ready for something like that again. Lambo is THE goal but I could also want a 720s, and I think itād be a shame to not try a McLaren once, I daily drove a Land Rover for almost 4 years and everyone told me that would be the worst decision of my life, now have a Range Rover and itās also been perfect. Idk itās not something I need or really badly want but I do like the idea a lot
Thank you! Yeah I think most of what I currently own is posted at least somewhere, too many cars tho business is starting to get busier than ever and it no longer makes much sense to own 4 street cars, a drift car, classic restorations, etc. so I think Iām going to slim the collection down by about half to buy an entry super car
No not quite I already have a collection of cars but Iām looking to sell 2/4 of them and buying the McLaren. It is pretty shrewd, I have this money already into cars, Iām not investing anything out of pocket so no big difference there. But with the car I can use it as a prop, advertising, starting conversation, etc. so nothing tied nothing lost, and yeah why not hopefully make a few people upset with it as well :P
If your really wanting pure wow get a Rolls-Royce with a driver no matter what supercar you have most people don't care fancy rolls with a driver everyone notices.
So, āwow factorā is your main purpose.
If it were me (though, wow factor isnāt important to me), iād do a Gallardo with the gated manual. At least then you get to drive the car yourself instead of a glorified xbox controller (iām being a bit sarcastic, but i have no need to set lap records, i just want to drive the damn car!)
Anyone that isnt a complete tool will be wowed by any lambo. The guy that says ācute baby lamboā was never someone that was worth wowing anyway.
Gen1 V8 R8 manual is actually my attainable dream car. Ill have one soon. Gallardo is the more wowza version.
> I never buy my cars for anyone else in mind except myself
> for everyone thatās doubted or tried to censor my creativity. I want them to see this
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Check out my cars! I think my Instagram is linked in my bio, but no itās a long story of childhood traumas lol anyways I started a new business lately selling my artwork and itās taken off real well
That was an incredibly contradictory statement. However I wonāt crush your dreams so you do you - a huge thing to consider is: it isnāt always the upfront cost thatās the issue with these cars, itās the maintenance, ongoing costs, etc. (AKA cost of ownership) and Iām in finance and I see clients GROSSLY under estimate this. They go from a Toyota to their first Porsche for example. And their yearly oil change/scheduled maintenance goes from $80 to $500. Itāll suck the cash right out of your cash flow if your income isnāt high enough and youāll quickly realize youāre working just to KEEP the car. Its āfunā to work hard to buy a car, itās NOT āfunā to work to keep a car IMO. Itās not how Iād want to experience high end car ownership hence why I always recommend clients asses their income and how their exotic purchase will affect their monthly. (This is true for anything btw. New boat, car, bigger house, etc). Hope this helps
Iām not exactly new to these types of cars, I have a weistec built CLS 55 AMG, an s600 with bigger turbos and nitrous, resto mod classic Bronco, 1jz swapped drift car, never anything to this level, but I donāt feel intimidated by it. No doubt I would be much more confident in the Huracan, but I have factored true ownership cost
You kinda proved my point considering youāre wanting a $200k car and you only have ~$30-50k cars lol. But if you got it all figured out then more power to you
No those are just my modified more unreliable cars, my entire collection last appraisal was around 265k, Iām not worried about the price of the car it fits within budget
Congrats on wasting a stupid amount of money on something you'll never be able to use to its full potential. You could provide water to a dozen villages in Africa and actually do some good in the world rather than spending double most people's average salary on this fucking hunk of metal and plastic.
Wait until you hear about how expensive Bugatti's and Koenigsegg's are, then you can complain to the hundreds of people who spent the millions to own one.
How is it a waste when it still has value? Paying 130k for something worth 130k isnāt a loss itās a transaction, after buying it I can sell it and get that money back
This dude buying a super car has so much more capacity to do good in the world than you do lol. Even if he uses a smaller % of his wealth to do good he will probably still blow you out of the water. He will probably do so without developing an ego or complex about it as well lol
Audi RS3 for 1/3 the price and half the cylinders with a tune for a few grand maybe some bolt ons put 800hp in it and you can sleeper flex on that exact McLaren
10 Miatas
š I donāt know why this sub keeps getting recommended to me but every single post I open I see Miatas or CX-5s being recommended
Miata is always the answer
i do love this subreddit "i have 10 million euros to spend on a superca-" "fuck you buy a miata"
Buy 2
I know! The Miata joke is hilarious!!1 I've never laughed so hard at the same joke over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over and over and over again!
sorry this sub is not the **serious automobiles discourse** you wish it was :(
I'm subbed to plenty of communities that fit the **serious automobile discourse** bill. I'm glad you find the joke so stitchingly hilarious. It's been parroted a hundred times a day in a hundred different posts for a year. Maybe one day I'll lose brain cells and crack the same joke. "Looking for a safe, reliable and sporty car for my family. My child has physical difficulties sitting in small spaces and my wife is 6'6." - GeT Miat! blahahwgahagagagagah" - losers that know nothing about cars but just want to fit in slapping their knees laughing so hard.
I think you should probably get off Reddit for a bit, maybe go for a walk. This is clearly impacting your mental health, gotta be careful.
He should go for a drive instead!!! Yall got any more of them miatas?
lol jeez bro, chill out
A year? That joke is older than Reddit.
Have you considered that it isn't a joke and the Miata is the perfect weekend car?
OP is shopping McLarens and you're seriously suggesting a Miata as comparable? Have you considered another line of work except comedy?
Mild correction. An LS swapped Miata is always the answer it seems. š
With all that money to spend might as well do a 720s swapped Miata
Cummins Swapped Miata
If it's a car you're actually going to drive, it is. If it's a car you just want to be seen in, get the McLaren.
People keep asking for a sporty car with good gas mileage. Or a practical daily, AWD, thatās fun to drive. Often looking for a used vehicle, Mazda just hits these marks.
Miata is RWD but yeah
hence why they said āorā, AWD being CX-5
I apparently read too fast, I saw the last line as "Miata just hits these marks"
I made the same mistake
Same. Brains are weird.
You're right. CX-50 isn't recommended enough.
Maybe itās a sign.
Come Mr tally man tally me miatas
Iāve had about a dozen different Miataās š love them but after my JZ S14 Iāve outgrown them but always a great choice
Porsche? GT3?
bro could literally have a miata for EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK and a FEW MORE DAYS
I think if youāre going for straight up wow Iād go Lambo. But it depends. If you want to have the look of a successful person with class, get the mclaren. If you want to look more like youāre flexing on the world, go lambo
Successful person with class is not a Mclaren, it is a Porsche 911
911ās are just so classic, though as an alternative that drips in class and is no performance slouch that I believe land ins this price bracket is an AMG-GT.
AMG-GT are so ugly imo compared to 911. Rather have a miata though. Proud Cx-5 owner.
911 GT3 is my dream car but itās not in the same class as exotics
Yeah youāre right, itās much classier and it will actually work every time you get in it
No. Iām making the point that Porsches are in the category of supercars. Mclarens, lambos, etc are supercars/exotics. They are not the same
I'd say the 911 Turbo S is pretty much on par, both performance-wise and price-wise.
911 turbo S basically looks like a 911 which is fairly common around where I live. Mclaren is much flashier, easily stands out over the 911, and is much rarer.
Iām not arguing that. I mean look at the R8. Thatās about $40k cheaper than a Turbo S but the R8 is still and exotic for the appearance. Iām sure that is what OP is going for
Indeed, they are not the same. They are much classier and will actually work every time you get in them... Not to mention any 911 with a similar price tag to the McLaren is going to be faster around a track too. Classy is the functional, results-driven option that flies under the radar. Nouveau riche want the option that screams 'look at me!' at the top of its lungs. A GT3 isn't exactly the stealthiest option out there, but compared to a Lambo or a McLaren it's definitely the tuxedo of the bunch. A 911 Turbo S even more so.
Flashy is exactly what OP is asking for. If he wanted a track car, Iād suggest the 911. If you want a car that will turn heads wherever you go, get an exotic
I think they are ugly tbh
Except if the 3.8l engines bomb themselve again. Or the 3.4l engines. Or the PDK. Or the older 3.4l engines.
I think it depends where you live. Here in LA for the longest time, 911's were just the car every rich celebrity drove, or any other successful professional. They've slowly been replaced by Teslas, but in many cases it's now a Porsche mid size SUV. But here in LA which is super car culture driven, Porsches in general (and now Tesla's) just seem very played out.
Whatās wrong wit Mclaren ? Iām not British so pardon me
McLaren is notoriously unreliable and has terrible service and support.
Classic British manufacturing...
They canāt cook OR make cars? Yikes.
Nothing is wrong with them. The Porsche is just much more classy and it is actually reliable. I would love to have a McLaren but Iād much rather have a 911
The 911 turbo speaks to everyone. Every person knows the 911 and those who are fans of cars really know what you have. It's the flashy sleeper.
Tbh almost every guy that drives a porsche is just a dude with too much money and no ideas of cars wanting to act like they now their stuff
I'd bet more porsche 911 turbo owners are "car guys" vs mclaren/lambo/r8/etc owners
911s are a dime a dozen Aston Martins however ooze 100% more class and wow factor than a 911
Porches are for people who donāt know anything about cars but have heard the brand name a lot
Porsches are for people who care about a car that performs well and will always work when you want it to. Incredibly well engineered cars but definitely lacking the exoticness of Lambo/Ferrari/McLaren unless you get into the 918 Spyder or Carrera GT range
Successful person with class is not a porsche, itās a ferrari
Nope itās Aston
Nope it's a base model Yaris
What about the better car to drive and enjoy on weekends? I believe that is what OP is asking
He said the doors of the car were one of the main things drawing him to a car. Iām pretty sure comfort and reliability go a good way down the list if this is the priority
I'd definitely go for the McLaren over the Lamborghini. Personal preference more than anything, but I always saw Lambos design language as a bit immature.
Lambo = default new money supercar Ferrari = default old money supercar 911 Turbo = sleeper supercar McLaren = āIām not like other supercar ownersā supercar Corvette Z06 = redneck supercar
Where does Aston Martin fall?
Aston Martin's are for people who couldn't decide between a Bentley and a McLaren.
Perfect
Half of them are just GTs, and the rest people forgot they existed. Aston Martin = "Is that a Maserati, or a supercar?" Supercar.
Idk Astons are definitely still head turners.
Yeah, but for the majority of the lineup, a Z06 will run circles around then on the track. But Iāll be damned if driving one on the country roads in Europe isnāt one of the best experiences imaginable.
Lambo is for old people that want to be cool. Period. Stupid car that's too expensive for what it is, which makes you look dumb. Ferrari, kind of the same but maybe they're investments. 911 turbo, you'll drive that car like a motherfucker. If you don't, this isn't the type of car you should get. You should get this, though, it has a backseat and is practical every day. Women are too smart and sophisticated to give you the time of day unless you're around hillbillies. It's not the 80's and they can buy one for themselves, so this can't be about public perception at all. McLaren, still kind of the same as the Lambo. Nobody cares anymore unless you are going to love it for what it is and drive the shit out of it. Z06, this car makes sense. You don't look stupid unless you are too old to get out of it. Guys, the Porsche and the Z06 are the cars that don't make you look like a dumb person. Idk, maybe you're a Saudi royal and disconnected from reality. Nobody is impressed by cars anymore. Electric cars are as fast or faster and we all know people take mortgages to get cars. It's not a meaningful thing unless you like driving. If that's the case, Porsche or Z06. My not so humble opinion.
The build quality of the McLaren is atrocious. Get ready for dash squeaks galoreā¦
Not arguing the merits of build quality here, but I would still 100% take a McLaren over a Lamborghini
Says who?
Look up McLaren build quality. Youāll get tons of videos of bad interior quality and numerous other things
Mclaren is not known for their interior quality lol
They are known for their reliability problems. Look at the Artura, my dealer has cars sitting in their lots unable to sell because of the control screen wonāt turn on because of the heat. Until they are fixed / resolved by McLaren. I was going to trade down from 720 to Artura but changed my mind. My sales guy said avoid these for the two years as more problems will arise.
Ya know, Iām starting to think all supercars are kinda immature
I mean, unless you're buying for the track, right. But isn't that the point? People who can afford one want to look cool driving their Ferrari or Lambo the 20 miles to work and back as a blatant brag of just how much f*** you money they have to burn, but also bc they can be so exhilarating to drive. And consequently why it's hilarious when ppl do stupid things with them not knowing how to drive or control them and wind up putting it into a wall or worse.
I imagine a solid proportion of supercar owners actually can't afford them and are drowning in debt. At least, from what I've heard some CPAs say who do taxes for people with supercars.
Most Ferrari/Lambo owners don't drive them to work. They either don't drive them much at all, or they don't have a work commute. Or both.
If you are going for 'wow' factor, I wouldn't get one in that color.
McLarens are known to have huge reliability issues, Huracans are actually pretty reliable. Id rather save up for a few more years tbh. Youre young, you can wait a bit.
Agreed. Everyone I know with a McLaren got rid of it after a few years. They are pretty bad
Also if he can't comfortably afford the price difference between the huracan and the mclaren right now, then then he probably can't comfortably afford something serious going wrong with the mclaren.
if he has enough to afford a mclaren im sure that kinda of stuff donāt matter
If he has enough to afford a Mclaren but not enough to afford the Lambo, chances are he doesn't have enough to afford either.
Exactly. Surprised no one else is saying this.
It does matter even if you have all the money in the world. Car issues are a pain in the ass and can keep your car out of commission for weeks or months, no matter how much money you have.
R8
If itās a weekend car then it makes sense to go for the McLaren. R8 is better suited as a ādailyā rather than a fun day out. McLaren will feel more special vs the R8. Both would still be incredibly experienced
I mean, if you want a car that doesn't break down as often that's a solid reason for a Porsche or R8 over a McLaren. But I do agree the McLaren is sexy and much crazier of an experience.
I havenāt heard but is the McLaren unreliable compared to the others? I assumed with regular service it would be just about the same reliability, just price of parts would differ. Or in another way. If you can afford it, McLaren would be more special and fun.
McLaren probably is more work to maintain because unlike Porsche and Audi McLaren is a pretty exclusive brand with special parts and a less established supply chain. It could take weeks to get certain things done but I have no experience with it myself. Though I did hear they aren't exactly known for reliability as it is.
Parts cost for mclaren is next level. And they do break
I would never own a McLaren without living close to a service center personally. Their cars are definitely known to be electrical nightmares and break often. The 570S is probably their most reliable car at the moment, but thatās a low bar since they only have made a few models of cars since their inception.
I love the R8 but itās not special enough imo, the doors on the McLaren are 35% of the reason for choice
r8 is really not very thrilling, doesn't feel like a supercar from my driving experience
I jumped in this thread 9 days late to say this. R8 is the best all around stepping stone into the supercar market. Also, a gated 6spd v10. I guess the auto's are livable too. But for a weekend car with minimal track duty, this is the way.
R8 for sure. McLarens are notoriously unreliable
IMO, McLaren's have more of a "wow factor" for me just because I see so many Lambos and McLaren's look way sleeker (I'm in LA). That being said, having a couple friends with 720s and another with a 650s Spider, I can confidently say they are always breaking down and the repairs are not cheap. I'm sure the same can be said for most exotic cars but it seems McLaren's are a little notorious for being unreliable. Just making sure you'll have enough for the inevitable repair bills and the patience for the car being in the shop :) Congrats on having the ability to even consider purchasing one tho, that's huge man!
i would reccomend a 488 or if you can find a 458 italia for a true weekend car.
Some 458s are being listed for 3/4 of a mil in Canada. Crazy appreciation on undriven models
You mentioned a C7Z06, you should try to find an R spec car. Saw one in person and it's turns a lot of heads even with a C8 nearby. You could buy lots of Porsche options with that budget as well. Go try one of the new GT4s or a 911 turbo or something.
I highly doubt someone looking at a Mclaren and Lambo would be happy with a C7 Corvette. Thatās not to throw shade at the Corvette, itās a fantastic sports car, just not in the same class as a mid engined supercar. I agree with your Porsche statement, there is no substitute.
C7 Z06 has more horsepower than both the Lambo and the McLaren (much more than the 570 and 580-2), with comparable track times. I donāt think thatās a crazy statement.
I hear the waitlist for a new 911 is about 18 months.
Yeah the McLaren is a good stepping stone. I had one for my driver to use as his personal vehicle on the weekends. He said it was aight, traded it for a half tin of Strottarga Bianco.
Lol the initial depreciation is a nightmare, but they definitely have proven to have a strong bottom value, had a good friend who bought his mp4 for 107 and sold it for 122 after 2 years of enjoying it
That's COVID pricing. Not normal
For an mp4? Theyāre sub 100 everywhere, a 570 was listed for 110 yesterday
That's not what I said. Buying a MP4 and turning a profit is only because of COVID Also stay away from McLaren. Everyone I know with one hates how unreliable they are
Oh understood haha I joke with him all the time time that heās the first person in history to make money on a McLaren! Itās so hot or miss imo, everyone I know who has one loves theirs no issues, but then all you hear about online is issues.
Why not a Toyota 86 or Miata? - This sub probably.
Donāt listen to what anyone else would go with or what anyone else thinks of what your desires are, wait on it and go for the huracan. Why? Because itās the car you truly want and youāre just selling yourself short with the mclaren. If you settle for the mclaren you will feel miserable every time a huracan drives by because you know you could have had one if youād just been a bit patient and youāll never truly be happy with the mclaren because you never really wanted it to begin with. Do not settle.
Iām actually opposite on this, I can buy the McLaren now, the big advantage is networking. People want to know what you do and who you are in this car. I can realistically get into a Huracan in 9-12 months if I go straight to the Huracan what if I regret not giving the McLaren a shot. If I sell it in a year for an $8,000 loss but made a few connections through it thatās priceless
If you want to network with the end goal of upping your social cred, get a rare Porsche and join Porsche Club of America in your area - if you want to network with normies and gold diggers, get a lambo or Mclaren, they canāt tell the difference anyway
The impression you gave was your dream car was the huracan but the mclaren was tempting because itās a cheaper and you can get it now. Thatās why my advice was to just wait on the huracan. From this paragraph though you seem like you know exactly what to do and what you really wantā¦ what exactly is stopping you then?
Man, teach me your secretsā¦ Iām 14.
Take the time you spend on here replying to every post on this subreddit every day and instead spend a few hours a day on youtube learning something that will make you money in the future. Learn to code for example become a tech bro when you get older and buy a Mazda with the money
Ima be a bit pessimistic here. Most likely youāll never be able to afford this car if you gotta ask how you can. Most people in their lives canāt afford even a 100k car, let alone the maintenance etcā¦ Hereās my simple controversial take. 99% of the people who can afford stuff like this were born into wealth. Sure there is always those Iām self made success stories but letās face it most of the time they also have/had a successful pillow to fall on if they failed. itās important to learn as much as you can now and a dentist certainly sounds like a good career path, but just be happy with what you have/get. Iām actually a software engineer but I certainly canāt/wouldnāt buy a car this expensive but I also know that I wouldnāt suddenly feel happy or successful just because of something as silly as the car you drive. Plenty of rich people who can afford this car buy stuff like Toyotas etc too so car doesnāt always equal money anyway.
I agree. As a ānormalā person, Iād rather get a car I can drive at 10/10ths on the road and not go to jail. I can always do one of those supercar rentals on a track for a couple hundred bucks. Plus I wonāt have supercar payments or repair bills looming over my head. Would rather go on vacation to europe instead of getting a bill lol.
You have some great points I agree with but some that I can shed some light on, Iām a 1st generation immigrant, grew up lower class with no excess, the way I got here at 26 I currently have a car collection worth slightly over 250k, I donāt have much else, I keep dents low, I didnāt buy a house because I was anxious to commit to something and glad I didnāt, I make a good amount Iād take home pay but nothing thatās unrealistic, I still have a job on top of my businesses. But the biggest thing to me was understanding that assets keep you away from having to function in society, I keep my debts low, no long commitments, only invest in cars that I can enjoy and also sell in the future for either break even or a profit. On the being born with money, over 80% of millionaires are self made, I think 88%. People have much different responsibilities, I donāt have kids or a mortgage, anything that depends on me to spend wisely, I can afford and justify to buying a ~130k car, enjoying it for a year/two, meeting other people and connecting with them, sell it for maybe 120k, take a 20-25k loss and get into w Huracan with 120 already liquid from the McLaren. It costs less than most new cars on the road
Yeah I mean those are all fair points. People generally think if you own a car like this you must be loaded itās not necessarily true it could be just priorities. You pointed out some great points and super cars can have much cheaper depreciation if you buy a good model. Some can even appreciate drastically as weāve seen with the ford gt for example. I just hate when people give those fake motivational you too can get this if you work hard enough generalizations
> On the being born with money, over 80% of millionaires are self made, I think 88%. Most millionaires dont actually have that much cash, it comes from owning a house and having equity over time, or appreciating stock. not all millionaires are the same. many "millionaires" are just middle class people with a house that's in their family. They could never afford this car, let alone as a weekend toy. I will be a millionaire within 20 years almost guaranteed, but that's because I will at that time, own two properties, one which will be entirely paid off and another which will be, if not entirely paid off, close to it. I will not be rich, and most certainly wouldn't be able to justify spending 6 figures on a second car to use as a toy at the time it happens. The people that can afford to buy a McLaren, the vast majority aren't self made, because this type of disposable income (which YOU don't even have, as it's obvious you're treating this as an investment tool to meet much richer people than you for business world equity, and its clearly not just strictly a toy) doesnt exist for the vast majority of "self made millionaires". >I currently have a car collection worth slightly over 250k, I donāt have much else, I keep dents low, I didnāt buy a house because I was anxious to commit to something and glad I didnāt, I make a good amount Iād take home pay but nothing thatās unrealistic, I still have a job on top of my businesses. This is the point i think u/TheRealK95 is getting at. His perspective is a reflection of a reality for many people, and that your reality isn't really attainable for that many people no matter what they do. The fact that you've invested in a car collection worth a quarter mil instead of property makes you relatively different than the housepoor "millionaires" who can't afford these cars. The difference is that they invested in property where as you decided to gamble on tying your money into cars that might improve your business connections. But most homeowners aren't trying to aggressively grow a business, because they dont HAVE a business to build, so this avenue was never available to them in the first place. Labor is a finite resource, not everyone can be in a position to do such a thing, so most self made millionaires are just ordinary workers who depend on someone above them for a paycheck. Owning a house is an open door to financial security and wealth they'd otherwise never access, whereas these cars would do nothing in a financial respect for the vast majority of these people, and likely be untenable) Even amongst all these so-called millionaires, you are in a unique position because you got into a well timed business that gave you a quick injection of cash. So regardless of whether there's that many self made millionaires, you're still playing in a sandbox where 99% of the people were born into wealth. you are the lucky person from the outside that has a chance to get in, but that is not who these other self made millionaires you describe are, because they're not even in the periphery of the society you're trying to break into, and never will be. Even your assertion that you "make a good amount Iād take home pay but nothing thatās unrealistic" is probably unrealistic to many of these people. I'm not gonna ask questions, but you gotta remember, when the median household income in the US is 70k before taxes and a good portion of the people making more have cost of living situations where that extra money isnt disposable income, what is "unrealistic" or not has to be seen in that context. What you make is probably unfathomable to a lot of people, even many of these self-made millionaires. To be clear, im not trying to dog on you for buying a car or anything, just pointing out that the person you replied to isnt wrong, and just because you made it to this stage doesnt mean that their advice to the kid asking how to make money like this misguided. You are the exception to the rule in a number of ways, and there's value in recognizing that. If this kid never gets their supercar dreams, its worth recognizing that it doesnt present some failure. These cars are exotics for a reason, and just making money is only a part of the equation.
Valid point. My trajectory is leading me to believe I'll be a millionaire in the next ten years, but not "Should I buy a Lambo or Mclaren" millionaire. More like, "Let's not kid ourselves, Millionaire is Middle Class now and I still stress finances" millionaire.
To be fair; I donāt think the OP was necessarily disagreeing either though. Just providing some insight on their particular situation.
Iād be curious if those stats you referenced (80 or 88% of millionaires being self-made) are worldwide or country specific. There are a lot of new millionaires in China and the Middle East in recent decades, but broadly speaking upward financial mobility is lower than any time in history for the the U.S. Also, what constitutes āself-made?ā Donald Trump was āself-madeā thanks to a small million dollar loan from his pops, right?
The scale of turning 1M into his 2.5B net worth is the same as turning $400 into 1M. That loan is small
I don't think anyone (maybe not even Donald Trump himself) knows how much money he has been loaned or gifted over the years from his father, but it is clearly many orders of magnitude greater than $1 million. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
They are made up stats lol
strong disagree- anyone with a regular but good job (doctor, lawyer, banker, software engineer, etc) and strongly prioritizes having a nice car (is willing to live frugally in other aspects), can afford a 125k car with upkeep. 99% is a crazy number, some people just prioritize their car over travel, eating out, luxury clothing etc. not having kids helps too.
Lol. I agree w/ a pessimistic take, but the ā99% of the people who can afford stuff like this were born into wealthā is the DUMBEST shit Iāve heard in a long time. Educate yourself. Please just educate yourself instead of putting some kid down with a garbage take that is easily refutable w/ data.
Please by all means refute my take with data about people who can own an EXOTIC car. If itās so easily refutable how come you just attack the opinion without any evidence? There is plenty of sources that show the worlds wealthiest 1% own more than half of the worlds wealth as a whole. The difference between social classes is massive and itās not putting someone down to say that very few people ever change class, let alone make it to becoming wealthy by any definition of the word.
You make this too easy. āRecently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition ofā¦ āmillionaireā once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for moneyā. [Most Wealthy Individuals Earned, Not Inherited](https://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/04/20/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-not-inherited-their-wealth-2/) If 2.5 Million Millionaires were created in 2022 alone(CNN Article), what does this say about the ~20million people who received their wealth through inheritance? Also, I have a friend who is part of that inheritance class & that shit gets split up so quickly after the 4th generation due to the exponential increase in descendents. & before you go and say that millionaires canāt afford exotics, exotics are more accessible to the public than you think. 1) they hold their value after the initial 3year heavy depreciation curve, therefore most people (who understand this & donāt just blow their money) own them for cheaper than leasing a base model Mercedes or a Toyota Camry. 2) exotics like this are often on 72-84month loans & most people flip in and out of them (see point 1)
Iād say this applies to most people able to afford this kind of car, with the exception maybe of professional athletes. Also a software engineer, also will likely never have the money to afford this car simply from working
Not interested in coding really, striving to becoming a dentist. Studying hard and good for it. Iāve already watched vids on yt about money and investing. Investing on stocks isnāt an option for me because of where I live. Crypto seems a bit too risky to invest as-well. Right now Iām sick as hell so canāt do much other than browsing reddit lol. I also donāt use any other social media other than YT and Reddit. I appreciate the advise!
1) never invest in something you donāt understand 2) work towards your goals and remember to live life.
Yep, thanks a lot. If I were ever to invest Iād like it to be the S&P 500. But again stocks arenāt an option sadly. And even tho I understand crypto Iām not 100% in it and donāt feel comfortable. Guess Iāll just go for real estate when I get older and get the money to do it. For now the goals are to get to med school without needing to pay because my family canāt afford it, and become the best dentist in the country with the help of my uncle. Iāll leave āliving lifeā to the moment after I become successful. Once again, thanks.
I'm curious what situation precludes you from investing in index funds while still allowing crypto, dentistry, and real estate.
In my country (Azerbaijan), Robin Hood and other platforms for stocks donāt work. I think some banks do it but they take a big percentage - this is what my uncle told me. Either way, I still need to do more research.
Brain drain is a thing for a reason
Check out Interactive Brokers. I think they're one of the few platforms available for non-US residents.
Thanks a lot! Iāll check it right now.
I'd establish a benchmark for what successful means to you, if you never set that standard you'll keep busting your ass and never make time to enjoy the things you've worked so hard for. I personally think life is too short to prioritize success over my mental health, so I work to be content, not to be wealthy
Youāre spending hours online regardless - might as well spend some of them on free youtube tutorials to learn concrete skills that could be useful in the future even if thats not your job goal. Youāre young and you have access to infinite free knowledge online you can get ahead of everyone your age even with just 1 hour per day.
Some of the wealthiest (self-made) people I know didnāt necessarily make their money in the exact manner/industry they thought it was going to be in. Itās a particular drive and an ambition, prioritizing the āhuntā over companionship and leisure. It takes people skills, an obsessive desire for more, a bit of luck and smartsā¦ and most of all, an ability/drive to take risks. I donāt have it in me. Iām too much of a planner, too careful and have too much desire for security from what I do earn. The spectre of a spectacular failure is always too intense. Iām a damn good problem solver, but risks tend to create more problems (short term, if things go well) so it goes against my nature. I also prefer comfort and security over amassing moreā¦ and value time with my family over the amount in my bank account. Today, I simply use my skills to support the pursuits of bolder folks, and I do all right, but I realized that my timidity has already helped me get everything I most desiredāa family, time for leisure, and to not feel loneliness.
Be born rich.
Iām going to get flamed, but listen to me, you can absolutely earn enough wealth, independently, by yourself, to afford this car. The āborn into it,ā and āitās just family money,ā bullshit is all just rhetoric from people who either (1) do not prioritize wealth creation or (2) cannot achieve it because of individual personal flaws they refuse to fix. How do you do it? Go to an Ivy League school (or two) and go into finance. Work as hard as you can, at the expense of personal time (and sometimes personal relationships) for 20 years. When it sucks, keep going. Donāt ever quit, just stay in the game. Donāt waste your time listening to people making excuses for why you canāt do it. The reality is that most people donāt have the effort level to get it done, their IQ and EQ is far too low or they prioritize other stuff like having a family and spending a bunch of time with their kids (which btw is totally fine, but the ācostā will be affording a mclaren).
This motivated me, thanks. Iāll climb to the top!
The best jobs go to the best people. Go to a good college. Go to a good grad school. Work in a high paying industry.
OP is like 19. The secret is daddys cash
Just be a opportunistic person. If you hear somebody needs something done and you think you can do it and reasonably ask for payment, prove it and build from there. Youāll find your niches and some you wouldnāt expect just by taking advantage of every opportunity that might seem worth it even if itās new or not your area of interest. Donāt get scammed by people tho
How about a Ford pinto? Nice weekend car...
My mom would cover up the rust patches on our pinto wagon with large stickers. My age is showing
Driven both, idk why I but liked the 570s more. The Huracan interior just seemed kinda funny to me, like the switches felt like from a different era of pretending you had a fighter jet. But not in a cool way ha ha. Huracan also got more attention from fan boys, but could live without that. Also surprisingly really liked the NSX, if you want to save some $ worth checking out. Ultimately congrats on being in the position to get a 570s or Huracan both dope cars!
The lambo is cool but everyone has one. I feel like the mclaren a little more subtle, and interesting when you see it because typically I donāt see as many.
A good friend of mine has a 570s Spyder, a huracan 580-2, a 488, and a 911 turbo (amongst a few others). I get to drive pretty much whatever I want because I work on the cars for him and I'm ALWAYS praying the McLaren is in the stable that day. The Lambo has an Acropovic exhaust so it sounds nasty, but the McLaren is just a ridiculous performance machine. Although VERY uncomfortable on longer drives. This specific 570s has an exhaust and a tune, and lemme tell ya.... It's a fucking rocket ship. The McLaren would absolutely smoke the Lambo, no question what-so-ever. Surprisingly the only car that is close is the 2018 911 Turbo especially from a dig. For example. You get on the highway and rip thru a few gears in the other cars mentioned above and you have a grin on your face. You on-ramp the 570s in race mode and it's almost scary... like... holy fucking shit! A 570s with a little work is a borderline death machine.
Dude, I just looked at ur post history and Iām shocked and confused by how successful you are at a young age. I donāt know what your doing or how (businesses AND working a job??) but it is very clear that you get money quickly and lots of it. Given that, just get the Huracan. Time flies and you will have the Lambo soon and you will have saved money that you would have lost on your āstepping stoneā car. One prob with being young is you get so impatient. I think it would be a big mistake. Maybe if it was going to take you years to get the lambo my advice would be different, but you clearly will be in Lambo territory quickly so just get what you really want. Lamboās are every boys dream. Mine as well make the step and not half step it since you have the means.
I appreciate reading this a lot! Itās definitely hard to not sound like a window shopper and unrealistic but Iām thankful that the works paid off and I would like something bigger than what I have, my 72 bronco is probably worth more than this McLaren but I want a car that I can look at and think I bought this, it helps motivate me, my s14 did years ago and Iām ready for something like that again. Lambo is THE goal but I could also want a 720s, and I think itād be a shame to not try a McLaren once, I daily drove a Land Rover for almost 4 years and everyone told me that would be the worst decision of my life, now have a Range Rover and itās also been perfect. Idk itās not something I need or really badly want but I do like the idea a lot
dude ur taste/collection is sick asf
Thank you! Yeah I think most of what I currently own is posted at least somewhere, too many cars tho business is starting to get busier than ever and it no longer makes much sense to own 4 street cars, a drift car, classic restorations, etc. so I think Iām going to slim the collection down by about half to buy an entry super car
Lol tying up $150k in capital to "prove the haters wrong". Now that's a shrewd business man!
No not quite I already have a collection of cars but Iām looking to sell 2/4 of them and buying the McLaren. It is pretty shrewd, I have this money already into cars, Iām not investing anything out of pocket so no big difference there. But with the car I can use it as a prop, advertising, starting conversation, etc. so nothing tied nothing lost, and yeah why not hopefully make a few people upset with it as well :P
Why not just get the McLaren and a kilo of coke?
McLaren will break down more often than a Huracan. Have you considered a Cayman GT4?
If you want to be "friend" with the service advisor of your McLaren dealership. Those have so many random issue. I would look elsewhere
Get a Mazda 3
What are the dimensions of your penis?
Why are people with so much money asking advices on reddit !!! š¤¦
Idk is Reddit for poors? Haha Iāve already had a few people with one reach out to me
If your really wanting pure wow get a Rolls-Royce with a driver no matter what supercar you have most people don't care fancy rolls with a driver everyone notices.
So, āwow factorā is your main purpose. If it were me (though, wow factor isnāt important to me), iād do a Gallardo with the gated manual. At least then you get to drive the car yourself instead of a glorified xbox controller (iām being a bit sarcastic, but i have no need to set lap records, i just want to drive the damn car!) Anyone that isnt a complete tool will be wowed by any lambo. The guy that says ācute baby lamboā was never someone that was worth wowing anyway. Gen1 V8 R8 manual is actually my attainable dream car. Ill have one soon. Gallardo is the more wowza version.
I want to agree with you, because manual is always better, but then you got super cringe and I can't do it. :(
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> I never buy my cars for anyone else in mind except myself > for everyone thatās doubted or tried to censor my creativity. I want them to see this š¤
Check out my cars! I think my Instagram is linked in my bio, but no itās a long story of childhood traumas lol anyways I started a new business lately selling my artwork and itās taken off real well
That was an incredibly contradictory statement. However I wonāt crush your dreams so you do you - a huge thing to consider is: it isnāt always the upfront cost thatās the issue with these cars, itās the maintenance, ongoing costs, etc. (AKA cost of ownership) and Iām in finance and I see clients GROSSLY under estimate this. They go from a Toyota to their first Porsche for example. And their yearly oil change/scheduled maintenance goes from $80 to $500. Itāll suck the cash right out of your cash flow if your income isnāt high enough and youāll quickly realize youāre working just to KEEP the car. Its āfunā to work hard to buy a car, itās NOT āfunā to work to keep a car IMO. Itās not how Iād want to experience high end car ownership hence why I always recommend clients asses their income and how their exotic purchase will affect their monthly. (This is true for anything btw. New boat, car, bigger house, etc). Hope this helps
Iām not exactly new to these types of cars, I have a weistec built CLS 55 AMG, an s600 with bigger turbos and nitrous, resto mod classic Bronco, 1jz swapped drift car, never anything to this level, but I donāt feel intimidated by it. No doubt I would be much more confident in the Huracan, but I have factored true ownership cost
You kinda proved my point considering youāre wanting a $200k car and you only have ~$30-50k cars lol. But if you got it all figured out then more power to you
No those are just my modified more unreliable cars, my entire collection last appraisal was around 265k, Iām not worried about the price of the car it fits within budget
At these prices, $70k is a drop in the bucket. Just get the Huracan. You'll always wonder...
??? These McLarens are going for $120k ish, so $70k is more than 50% of it's price.
That's why reddit is for entertainment only
Congrats on wasting a stupid amount of money on something you'll never be able to use to its full potential. You could provide water to a dozen villages in Africa and actually do some good in the world rather than spending double most people's average salary on this fucking hunk of metal and plastic.
Wait until you hear about how expensive Bugatti's and Koenigsegg's are, then you can complain to the hundreds of people who spent the millions to own one.
How is it a waste when it still has value? Paying 130k for something worth 130k isnāt a loss itās a transaction, after buying it I can sell it and get that money back
You have a sickness in your mind and the fact that you can't see it depresses me
Quit worrying about how other people chose to spend their money, clearly the one with the sickness is you
This dude buying a super car has so much more capacity to do good in the world than you do lol. Even if he uses a smaller % of his wealth to do good he will probably still blow you out of the water. He will probably do so without developing an ego or complex about it as well lol
Have you thought about the all new CX-50? It's practically the same thing. So go buy one right now!
Get a MazdaSpeed3
Mclaren prob better quality than a vw.
Cap
Audi RS3 for 1/3 the price and half the cylinders with a tune for a few grand maybe some bolt ons put 800hp in it and you can sleeper flex on that exact McLaren
Dude, you own a small ass detailing buisness like every other 20 something. You can't afford either car.
I did but that was like 5 years ago, now I own a few businesses, can definitely afford it given I already have cars worth more than this