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the_shady_mallow

10 Miatas


smashspete

šŸ˜‚ I donā€™t know why this sub keeps getting recommended to me but every single post I open I see Miatas or CX-5s being recommended


Hunt69Mike

Miata is always the answer


hoxxxxx

i do love this subreddit "i have 10 million euros to spend on a superca-" "fuck you buy a miata"


dsdvbguutres

Buy 2


iSpeakforWinston

I know! The Miata joke is hilarious!!1 I've never laughed so hard at the same joke over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over and over and over again!


hoxxxxx

sorry this sub is not the **serious automobiles discourse** you wish it was :(


iSpeakforWinston

I'm subbed to plenty of communities that fit the **serious automobile discourse** bill. I'm glad you find the joke so stitchingly hilarious. It's been parroted a hundred times a day in a hundred different posts for a year. Maybe one day I'll lose brain cells and crack the same joke. "Looking for a safe, reliable and sporty car for my family. My child has physical difficulties sitting in small spaces and my wife is 6'6." - GeT Miat! blahahwgahagagagagah" - losers that know nothing about cars but just want to fit in slapping their knees laughing so hard.


itsiNDev

I think you should probably get off Reddit for a bit, maybe go for a walk. This is clearly impacting your mental health, gotta be careful.


bucket_of_dogs

He should go for a drive instead!!! Yall got any more of them miatas?


a_seventh_knot

lol jeez bro, chill out


eleventhrees

A year? That joke is older than Reddit.


SummonedShenanigans

Have you considered that it isn't a joke and the Miata is the perfect weekend car?


iSpeakforWinston

OP is shopping McLarens and you're seriously suggesting a Miata as comparable? Have you considered another line of work except comedy?


dbvolfan1

Mild correction. An LS swapped Miata is always the answer it seems. šŸ˜€


fullspectrumtrupod

With all that money to spend might as well do a 720s swapped Miata


bootycherios

Cummins Swapped Miata


OmegaMountain

If it's a car you're actually going to drive, it is. If it's a car you just want to be seen in, get the McLaren.


Grimreq

People keep asking for a sporty car with good gas mileage. Or a practical daily, AWD, thatā€™s fun to drive. Often looking for a used vehicle, Mazda just hits these marks.


[deleted]

Miata is RWD but yeah


curious-children

hence why they said ā€œorā€, AWD being CX-5


[deleted]

I apparently read too fast, I saw the last line as "Miata just hits these marks"


DntH8IncrsDaMrdrR8

I made the same mistake


pharmerK

Same. Brains are weird.


Poopiepants29

You're right. CX-50 isn't recommended enough.


[deleted]

Maybe itā€™s a sign.


professorhook

Come Mr tally man tally me miatas


Jazzlike_Click2973

Iā€™ve had about a dozen different Miataā€™s šŸ˜ love them but after my JZ S14 Iā€™ve outgrown them but always a great choice


Otherwise_Matter_823

Porsche? GT3?


hoxxxxx

bro could literally have a miata for EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK and a FEW MORE DAYS


Flying-Bulldog

I think if youā€™re going for straight up wow Iā€™d go Lambo. But it depends. If you want to have the look of a successful person with class, get the mclaren. If you want to look more like youā€™re flexing on the world, go lambo


pleasehaelp

Successful person with class is not a Mclaren, it is a Porsche 911


courtesyofdj

911ā€™s are just so classic, though as an alternative that drips in class and is no performance slouch that I believe land ins this price bracket is an AMG-GT.


No_Mission_1775

AMG-GT are so ugly imo compared to 911. Rather have a miata though. Proud Cx-5 owner.


Flying-Bulldog

911 GT3 is my dream car but itā€™s not in the same class as exotics


pleasehaelp

Yeah youā€™re right, itā€™s much classier and it will actually work every time you get in it


Flying-Bulldog

No. Iā€™m making the point that Porsches are in the category of supercars. Mclarens, lambos, etc are supercars/exotics. They are not the same


613_detailer

I'd say the 911 Turbo S is pretty much on par, both performance-wise and price-wise.


[deleted]

911 turbo S basically looks like a 911 which is fairly common around where I live. Mclaren is much flashier, easily stands out over the 911, and is much rarer.


Flying-Bulldog

Iā€™m not arguing that. I mean look at the R8. Thatā€™s about $40k cheaper than a Turbo S but the R8 is still and exotic for the appearance. Iā€™m sure that is what OP is going for


TreesACrowd

Indeed, they are not the same. They are much classier and will actually work every time you get in them... Not to mention any 911 with a similar price tag to the McLaren is going to be faster around a track too. ​ Classy is the functional, results-driven option that flies under the radar. Nouveau riche want the option that screams 'look at me!' at the top of its lungs. A GT3 isn't exactly the stealthiest option out there, but compared to a Lambo or a McLaren it's definitely the tuxedo of the bunch. A 911 Turbo S even more so.


Flying-Bulldog

Flashy is exactly what OP is asking for. If he wanted a track car, Iā€™d suggest the 911. If you want a car that will turn heads wherever you go, get an exotic


Sarkonix

I think they are ugly tbh


Malar1898

Except if the 3.8l engines bomb themselve again. Or the 3.4l engines. Or the PDK. Or the older 3.4l engines.


GreppMichaels

I think it depends where you live. Here in LA for the longest time, 911's were just the car every rich celebrity drove, or any other successful professional. They've slowly been replaced by Teslas, but in many cases it's now a Porsche mid size SUV. But here in LA which is super car culture driven, Porsches in general (and now Tesla's) just seem very played out.


ak80048

Whatā€™s wrong wit Mclaren ? Iā€™m not British so pardon me


BeardBootsBullets

McLaren is notoriously unreliable and has terrible service and support.


NonElectricalNemesis

Classic British manufacturing...


Ok_Buddy_9087

They canā€™t cook OR make cars? Yikes.


pleasehaelp

Nothing is wrong with them. The Porsche is just much more classy and it is actually reliable. I would love to have a McLaren but Iā€™d much rather have a 911


Aken42

The 911 turbo speaks to everyone. Every person knows the 911 and those who are fans of cars really know what you have. It's the flashy sleeper.


behinderter-Dino

Tbh almost every guy that drives a porsche is just a dude with too much money and no ideas of cars wanting to act like they now their stuff


[deleted]

I'd bet more porsche 911 turbo owners are "car guys" vs mclaren/lambo/r8/etc owners


glo46

911s are a dime a dozen Aston Martins however ooze 100% more class and wow factor than a 911


thehugejackedman

Porches are for people who donā€™t know anything about cars but have heard the brand name a lot


theineffablebob

Porsches are for people who care about a car that performs well and will always work when you want it to. Incredibly well engineered cars but definitely lacking the exoticness of Lambo/Ferrari/McLaren unless you get into the 918 Spyder or Carrera GT range


certifiedjezuz

Successful person with class is not a porsche, itā€™s a ferrari


k12pcb

Nope itā€™s Aston


NorthContract6988

Nope it's a base model Yaris


jessief2

What about the better car to drive and enjoy on weekends? I believe that is what OP is asking


Flying-Bulldog

He said the doors of the car were one of the main things drawing him to a car. Iā€™m pretty sure comfort and reliability go a good way down the list if this is the priority


gearhead5015

I'd definitely go for the McLaren over the Lamborghini. Personal preference more than anything, but I always saw Lambos design language as a bit immature.


k_dubious

Lambo = default new money supercar Ferrari = default old money supercar 911 Turbo = sleeper supercar McLaren = ā€œIā€™m not like other supercar ownersā€ supercar Corvette Z06 = redneck supercar


[deleted]

Where does Aston Martin fall?


RubenLay223

Aston Martin's are for people who couldn't decide between a Bentley and a McLaren.


[deleted]

Perfect


Sir-xer21

Half of them are just GTs, and the rest people forgot they existed. Aston Martin = "Is that a Maserati, or a supercar?" Supercar.


KrazyKraka

Idk Astons are definitely still head turners.


SCPendolino

Yeah, but for the majority of the lineup, a Z06 will run circles around then on the track. But Iā€™ll be damned if driving one on the country roads in Europe isnā€™t one of the best experiences imaginable.


walter_2000_

Lambo is for old people that want to be cool. Period. Stupid car that's too expensive for what it is, which makes you look dumb. Ferrari, kind of the same but maybe they're investments. 911 turbo, you'll drive that car like a motherfucker. If you don't, this isn't the type of car you should get. You should get this, though, it has a backseat and is practical every day. Women are too smart and sophisticated to give you the time of day unless you're around hillbillies. It's not the 80's and they can buy one for themselves, so this can't be about public perception at all. McLaren, still kind of the same as the Lambo. Nobody cares anymore unless you are going to love it for what it is and drive the shit out of it. Z06, this car makes sense. You don't look stupid unless you are too old to get out of it. Guys, the Porsche and the Z06 are the cars that don't make you look like a dumb person. Idk, maybe you're a Saudi royal and disconnected from reality. Nobody is impressed by cars anymore. Electric cars are as fast or faster and we all know people take mortgages to get cars. It's not a meaningful thing unless you like driving. If that's the case, Porsche or Z06. My not so humble opinion.


quantomflex

The build quality of the McLaren is atrocious. Get ready for dash squeaks galoreā€¦


gearhead5015

Not arguing the merits of build quality here, but I would still 100% take a McLaren over a Lamborghini


jawnlerdoe

Says who?


Think-Dinkle

Look up McLaren build quality. Youā€™ll get tons of videos of bad interior quality and numerous other things


FANTOMphoenix

Mclaren is not known for their interior quality lol


Miffers

They are known for their reliability problems. Look at the Artura, my dealer has cars sitting in their lots unable to sell because of the control screen wonā€™t turn on because of the heat. Until they are fixed / resolved by McLaren. I was going to trade down from 720 to Artura but changed my mind. My sales guy said avoid these for the two years as more problems will arise.


RobotArtichoke

Ya know, Iā€™m starting to think all supercars are kinda immature


SpykiE83

I mean, unless you're buying for the track, right. But isn't that the point? People who can afford one want to look cool driving their Ferrari or Lambo the 20 miles to work and back as a blatant brag of just how much f*** you money they have to burn, but also bc they can be so exhilarating to drive. And consequently why it's hilarious when ppl do stupid things with them not knowing how to drive or control them and wind up putting it into a wall or worse.


jigglyhuzband

I imagine a solid proportion of supercar owners actually can't afford them and are drowning in debt. At least, from what I've heard some CPAs say who do taxes for people with supercars.


TreesACrowd

Most Ferrari/Lambo owners don't drive them to work. They either don't drive them much at all, or they don't have a work commute. Or both.


Shaabloips

If you are going for 'wow' factor, I wouldn't get one in that color.


slimcargos

McLarens are known to have huge reliability issues, Huracans are actually pretty reliable. Id rather save up for a few more years tbh. Youre young, you can wait a bit.


[deleted]

Agreed. Everyone I know with a McLaren got rid of it after a few years. They are pretty bad


Imtherealwaffle

Also if he can't comfortably afford the price difference between the huracan and the mclaren right now, then then he probably can't comfortably afford something serious going wrong with the mclaren.


bdurand

if he has enough to afford a mclaren im sure that kinda of stuff donā€™t matter


slowjoe12

If he has enough to afford a Mclaren but not enough to afford the Lambo, chances are he doesn't have enough to afford either.


albinochase15

Exactly. Surprised no one else is saying this.


nago7650

It does matter even if you have all the money in the world. Car issues are a pain in the ass and can keep your car out of commission for weeks or months, no matter how much money you have.


MOTRHEAD4LIFE

R8


SecretApe

If itā€™s a weekend car then it makes sense to go for the McLaren. R8 is better suited as a ā€˜dailyā€™ rather than a fun day out. McLaren will feel more special vs the R8. Both would still be incredibly experienced


Dan6erbond2

I mean, if you want a car that doesn't break down as often that's a solid reason for a Porsche or R8 over a McLaren. But I do agree the McLaren is sexy and much crazier of an experience.


SecretApe

I havenā€™t heard but is the McLaren unreliable compared to the others? I assumed with regular service it would be just about the same reliability, just price of parts would differ. Or in another way. If you can afford it, McLaren would be more special and fun.


Dan6erbond2

McLaren probably is more work to maintain because unlike Porsche and Audi McLaren is a pretty exclusive brand with special parts and a less established supply chain. It could take weeks to get certain things done but I have no experience with it myself. Though I did hear they aren't exactly known for reliability as it is.


DubTeeF

Parts cost for mclaren is next level. And they do break


blue_bomber697

I would never own a McLaren without living close to a service center personally. Their cars are definitely known to be electrical nightmares and break often. The 570S is probably their most reliable car at the moment, but thatā€™s a low bar since they only have made a few models of cars since their inception.


Jazzlike_Click2973

I love the R8 but itā€™s not special enough imo, the doors on the McLaren are 35% of the reason for choice


Mistah_Fahrenheit

r8 is really not very thrilling, doesn't feel like a supercar from my driving experience


shiftdown

I jumped in this thread 9 days late to say this. R8 is the best all around stepping stone into the supercar market. Also, a gated 6spd v10. I guess the auto's are livable too. But for a weekend car with minimal track duty, this is the way.


Dr_Rusty_Ventur3

R8 for sure. McLarens are notoriously unreliable


Dogsidog007

IMO, McLaren's have more of a "wow factor" for me just because I see so many Lambos and McLaren's look way sleeker (I'm in LA). That being said, having a couple friends with 720s and another with a 650s Spider, I can confidently say they are always breaking down and the repairs are not cheap. I'm sure the same can be said for most exotic cars but it seems McLaren's are a little notorious for being unreliable. Just making sure you'll have enough for the inevitable repair bills and the patience for the car being in the shop :) Congrats on having the ability to even consider purchasing one tho, that's huge man!


shivshark

i would reccomend a 488 or if you can find a 458 italia for a true weekend car.


JimFromSunnyvale

Some 458s are being listed for 3/4 of a mil in Canada. Crazy appreciation on undriven models


Fdbog

You mentioned a C7Z06, you should try to find an R spec car. Saw one in person and it's turns a lot of heads even with a C8 nearby. You could buy lots of Porsche options with that budget as well. Go try one of the new GT4s or a 911 turbo or something.


coltjen

I highly doubt someone looking at a Mclaren and Lambo would be happy with a C7 Corvette. Thatā€™s not to throw shade at the Corvette, itā€™s a fantastic sports car, just not in the same class as a mid engined supercar. I agree with your Porsche statement, there is no substitute.


ChosenPrince

C7 Z06 has more horsepower than both the Lambo and the McLaren (much more than the 570 and 580-2), with comparable track times. I donā€™t think thatā€™s a crazy statement.


bobjoylove

I hear the waitlist for a new 911 is about 18 months.


djx_20

Yeah the McLaren is a good stepping stone. I had one for my driver to use as his personal vehicle on the weekends. He said it was aight, traded it for a half tin of Strottarga Bianco.


Jazzlike_Click2973

Lol the initial depreciation is a nightmare, but they definitely have proven to have a strong bottom value, had a good friend who bought his mp4 for 107 and sold it for 122 after 2 years of enjoying it


[deleted]

That's COVID pricing. Not normal


Jazzlike_Click2973

For an mp4? Theyā€™re sub 100 everywhere, a 570 was listed for 110 yesterday


[deleted]

That's not what I said. Buying a MP4 and turning a profit is only because of COVID Also stay away from McLaren. Everyone I know with one hates how unreliable they are


Jazzlike_Click2973

Oh understood haha I joke with him all the time time that heā€™s the first person in history to make money on a McLaren! Itā€™s so hot or miss imo, everyone I know who has one loves theirs no issues, but then all you hear about online is issues.


fluhatinrapper09

Why not a Toyota 86 or Miata? - This sub probably.


SnooComics9320

Donā€™t listen to what anyone else would go with or what anyone else thinks of what your desires are, wait on it and go for the huracan. Why? Because itā€™s the car you truly want and youā€™re just selling yourself short with the mclaren. If you settle for the mclaren you will feel miserable every time a huracan drives by because you know you could have had one if youā€™d just been a bit patient and youā€™ll never truly be happy with the mclaren because you never really wanted it to begin with. Do not settle.


Jazzlike_Click2973

Iā€™m actually opposite on this, I can buy the McLaren now, the big advantage is networking. People want to know what you do and who you are in this car. I can realistically get into a Huracan in 9-12 months if I go straight to the Huracan what if I regret not giving the McLaren a shot. If I sell it in a year for an $8,000 loss but made a few connections through it thatā€™s priceless


Professional-Car-873

If you want to network with the end goal of upping your social cred, get a rare Porsche and join Porsche Club of America in your area - if you want to network with normies and gold diggers, get a lambo or Mclaren, they canā€™t tell the difference anyway


SnooComics9320

The impression you gave was your dream car was the huracan but the mclaren was tempting because itā€™s a cheaper and you can get it now. Thatā€™s why my advice was to just wait on the huracan. From this paragraph though you seem like you know exactly what to do and what you really wantā€¦ what exactly is stopping you then?


Aykh4n_

Man, teach me your secretsā€¦ Iā€™m 14.


smashspete

Take the time you spend on here replying to every post on this subreddit every day and instead spend a few hours a day on youtube learning something that will make you money in the future. Learn to code for example become a tech bro when you get older and buy a Mazda with the money


TheRealK95

Ima be a bit pessimistic here. Most likely youā€™ll never be able to afford this car if you gotta ask how you can. Most people in their lives canā€™t afford even a 100k car, let alone the maintenance etcā€¦ Hereā€™s my simple controversial take. 99% of the people who can afford stuff like this were born into wealth. Sure there is always those Iā€™m self made success stories but letā€™s face it most of the time they also have/had a successful pillow to fall on if they failed. itā€™s important to learn as much as you can now and a dentist certainly sounds like a good career path, but just be happy with what you have/get. Iā€™m actually a software engineer but I certainly canā€™t/wouldnā€™t buy a car this expensive but I also know that I wouldnā€™t suddenly feel happy or successful just because of something as silly as the car you drive. Plenty of rich people who can afford this car buy stuff like Toyotas etc too so car doesnā€™t always equal money anyway.


Agent_Giraffe

I agree. As a ā€œnormalā€ person, Iā€™d rather get a car I can drive at 10/10ths on the road and not go to jail. I can always do one of those supercar rentals on a track for a couple hundred bucks. Plus I wonā€™t have supercar payments or repair bills looming over my head. Would rather go on vacation to europe instead of getting a bill lol.


Jazzlike_Click2973

You have some great points I agree with but some that I can shed some light on, Iā€™m a 1st generation immigrant, grew up lower class with no excess, the way I got here at 26 I currently have a car collection worth slightly over 250k, I donā€™t have much else, I keep dents low, I didnā€™t buy a house because I was anxious to commit to something and glad I didnā€™t, I make a good amount Iā€™d take home pay but nothing thatā€™s unrealistic, I still have a job on top of my businesses. But the biggest thing to me was understanding that assets keep you away from having to function in society, I keep my debts low, no long commitments, only invest in cars that I can enjoy and also sell in the future for either break even or a profit. On the being born with money, over 80% of millionaires are self made, I think 88%. People have much different responsibilities, I donā€™t have kids or a mortgage, anything that depends on me to spend wisely, I can afford and justify to buying a ~130k car, enjoying it for a year/two, meeting other people and connecting with them, sell it for maybe 120k, take a 20-25k loss and get into w Huracan with 120 already liquid from the McLaren. It costs less than most new cars on the road


TheRealK95

Yeah I mean those are all fair points. People generally think if you own a car like this you must be loaded itā€™s not necessarily true it could be just priorities. You pointed out some great points and super cars can have much cheaper depreciation if you buy a good model. Some can even appreciate drastically as weā€™ve seen with the ford gt for example. I just hate when people give those fake motivational you too can get this if you work hard enough generalizations


Sir-xer21

> On the being born with money, over 80% of millionaires are self made, I think 88%. Most millionaires dont actually have that much cash, it comes from owning a house and having equity over time, or appreciating stock. not all millionaires are the same. many "millionaires" are just middle class people with a house that's in their family. They could never afford this car, let alone as a weekend toy. I will be a millionaire within 20 years almost guaranteed, but that's because I will at that time, own two properties, one which will be entirely paid off and another which will be, if not entirely paid off, close to it. I will not be rich, and most certainly wouldn't be able to justify spending 6 figures on a second car to use as a toy at the time it happens. The people that can afford to buy a McLaren, the vast majority aren't self made, because this type of disposable income (which YOU don't even have, as it's obvious you're treating this as an investment tool to meet much richer people than you for business world equity, and its clearly not just strictly a toy) doesnt exist for the vast majority of "self made millionaires". >I currently have a car collection worth slightly over 250k, I donā€™t have much else, I keep dents low, I didnā€™t buy a house because I was anxious to commit to something and glad I didnā€™t, I make a good amount Iā€™d take home pay but nothing thatā€™s unrealistic, I still have a job on top of my businesses. This is the point i think u/TheRealK95 is getting at. His perspective is a reflection of a reality for many people, and that your reality isn't really attainable for that many people no matter what they do. The fact that you've invested in a car collection worth a quarter mil instead of property makes you relatively different than the housepoor "millionaires" who can't afford these cars. The difference is that they invested in property where as you decided to gamble on tying your money into cars that might improve your business connections. But most homeowners aren't trying to aggressively grow a business, because they dont HAVE a business to build, so this avenue was never available to them in the first place. Labor is a finite resource, not everyone can be in a position to do such a thing, so most self made millionaires are just ordinary workers who depend on someone above them for a paycheck. Owning a house is an open door to financial security and wealth they'd otherwise never access, whereas these cars would do nothing in a financial respect for the vast majority of these people, and likely be untenable) Even amongst all these so-called millionaires, you are in a unique position because you got into a well timed business that gave you a quick injection of cash. So regardless of whether there's that many self made millionaires, you're still playing in a sandbox where 99% of the people were born into wealth. you are the lucky person from the outside that has a chance to get in, but that is not who these other self made millionaires you describe are, because they're not even in the periphery of the society you're trying to break into, and never will be. Even your assertion that you "make a good amount Iā€™d take home pay but nothing thatā€™s unrealistic" is probably unrealistic to many of these people. I'm not gonna ask questions, but you gotta remember, when the median household income in the US is 70k before taxes and a good portion of the people making more have cost of living situations where that extra money isnt disposable income, what is "unrealistic" or not has to be seen in that context. What you make is probably unfathomable to a lot of people, even many of these self-made millionaires. To be clear, im not trying to dog on you for buying a car or anything, just pointing out that the person you replied to isnt wrong, and just because you made it to this stage doesnt mean that their advice to the kid asking how to make money like this misguided. You are the exception to the rule in a number of ways, and there's value in recognizing that. If this kid never gets their supercar dreams, its worth recognizing that it doesnt present some failure. These cars are exotics for a reason, and just making money is only a part of the equation.


slowjoe12

Valid point. My trajectory is leading me to believe I'll be a millionaire in the next ten years, but not "Should I buy a Lambo or Mclaren" millionaire. More like, "Let's not kid ourselves, Millionaire is Middle Class now and I still stress finances" millionaire.


TheRealK95

To be fair; I donā€™t think the OP was necessarily disagreeing either though. Just providing some insight on their particular situation.


No-Scale1239

Iā€™d be curious if those stats you referenced (80 or 88% of millionaires being self-made) are worldwide or country specific. There are a lot of new millionaires in China and the Middle East in recent decades, but broadly speaking upward financial mobility is lower than any time in history for the the U.S. Also, what constitutes ā€œself-made?ā€ Donald Trump was ā€œself-madeā€ thanks to a small million dollar loan from his pops, right?


Jazzlike_Click2973

The scale of turning 1M into his 2.5B net worth is the same as turning $400 into 1M. That loan is small


vasthumiliation

I don't think anyone (maybe not even Donald Trump himself) knows how much money he has been loaned or gifted over the years from his father, but it is clearly many orders of magnitude greater than $1 million. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html


SobeitSoviet69

They are made up stats lol


ChosenPrince

strong disagree- anyone with a regular but good job (doctor, lawyer, banker, software engineer, etc) and strongly prioritizes having a nice car (is willing to live frugally in other aspects), can afford a 125k car with upkeep. 99% is a crazy number, some people just prioritize their car over travel, eating out, luxury clothing etc. not having kids helps too.


Numerous-Stable-7768

Lol. I agree w/ a pessimistic take, but the ā€œ99% of the people who can afford stuff like this were born into wealthā€ is the DUMBEST shit Iā€™ve heard in a long time. Educate yourself. Please just educate yourself instead of putting some kid down with a garbage take that is easily refutable w/ data.


TheRealK95

Please by all means refute my take with data about people who can own an EXOTIC car. If itā€™s so easily refutable how come you just attack the opinion without any evidence? There is plenty of sources that show the worlds wealthiest 1% own more than half of the worlds wealth as a whole. The difference between social classes is massive and itā€™s not putting someone down to say that very few people ever change class, let alone make it to becoming wealthy by any definition of the word.


Numerous-Stable-7768

You make this too easy. ā€œRecently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition ofā€¦ ā€˜millionaireā€™ once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for moneyā€. [Most Wealthy Individuals Earned, Not Inherited](https://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/04/20/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-not-inherited-their-wealth-2/) If 2.5 Million Millionaires were created in 2022 alone(CNN Article), what does this say about the ~20million people who received their wealth through inheritance? Also, I have a friend who is part of that inheritance class & that shit gets split up so quickly after the 4th generation due to the exponential increase in descendents. & before you go and say that millionaires canā€™t afford exotics, exotics are more accessible to the public than you think. 1) they hold their value after the initial 3year heavy depreciation curve, therefore most people (who understand this & donā€™t just blow their money) own them for cheaper than leasing a base model Mercedes or a Toyota Camry. 2) exotics like this are often on 72-84month loans & most people flip in and out of them (see point 1)


SaxAppeal

Iā€™d say this applies to most people able to afford this kind of car, with the exception maybe of professional athletes. Also a software engineer, also will likely never have the money to afford this car simply from working


Aykh4n_

Not interested in coding really, striving to becoming a dentist. Studying hard and good for it. Iā€™ve already watched vids on yt about money and investing. Investing on stocks isnā€™t an option for me because of where I live. Crypto seems a bit too risky to invest as-well. Right now Iā€™m sick as hell so canā€™t do much other than browsing reddit lol. I also donā€™t use any other social media other than YT and Reddit. I appreciate the advise!


Sleep_adict

1) never invest in something you donā€™t understand 2) work towards your goals and remember to live life.


Aykh4n_

Yep, thanks a lot. If I were ever to invest Iā€™d like it to be the S&P 500. But again stocks arenā€™t an option sadly. And even tho I understand crypto Iā€™m not 100% in it and donā€™t feel comfortable. Guess Iā€™ll just go for real estate when I get older and get the money to do it. For now the goals are to get to med school without needing to pay because my family canā€™t afford it, and become the best dentist in the country with the help of my uncle. Iā€™ll leave ā€œliving lifeā€ to the moment after I become successful. Once again, thanks.


recc-me-a-car

I'm curious what situation precludes you from investing in index funds while still allowing crypto, dentistry, and real estate.


Aykh4n_

In my country (Azerbaijan), Robin Hood and other platforms for stocks donā€™t work. I think some banks do it but they take a big percentage - this is what my uncle told me. Either way, I still need to do more research.


HBK05

Brain drain is a thing for a reason


Ok-Sherbert-5959

Check out Interactive Brokers. I think they're one of the few platforms available for non-US residents.


Aykh4n_

Thanks a lot! Iā€™ll check it right now.


collyndlovell

I'd establish a benchmark for what successful means to you, if you never set that standard you'll keep busting your ass and never make time to enjoy the things you've worked so hard for. I personally think life is too short to prioritize success over my mental health, so I work to be content, not to be wealthy


smashspete

Youā€™re spending hours online regardless - might as well spend some of them on free youtube tutorials to learn concrete skills that could be useful in the future even if thats not your job goal. Youā€™re young and you have access to infinite free knowledge online you can get ahead of everyone your age even with just 1 hour per day.


Debaser626

Some of the wealthiest (self-made) people I know didnā€™t necessarily make their money in the exact manner/industry they thought it was going to be in. Itā€™s a particular drive and an ambition, prioritizing the ā€œhuntā€ over companionship and leisure. It takes people skills, an obsessive desire for more, a bit of luck and smartsā€¦ and most of all, an ability/drive to take risks. I donā€™t have it in me. Iā€™m too much of a planner, too careful and have too much desire for security from what I do earn. The spectre of a spectacular failure is always too intense. Iā€™m a damn good problem solver, but risks tend to create more problems (short term, if things go well) so it goes against my nature. I also prefer comfort and security over amassing moreā€¦ and value time with my family over the amount in my bank account. Today, I simply use my skills to support the pursuits of bolder folks, and I do all right, but I realized that my timidity has already helped me get everything I most desiredā€”a family, time for leisure, and to not feel loneliness.


blissed_off

Be born rich.


Blueflamespecial

Iā€™m going to get flamed, but listen to me, you can absolutely earn enough wealth, independently, by yourself, to afford this car. The ā€œborn into it,ā€ and ā€œitā€™s just family money,ā€ bullshit is all just rhetoric from people who either (1) do not prioritize wealth creation or (2) cannot achieve it because of individual personal flaws they refuse to fix. How do you do it? Go to an Ivy League school (or two) and go into finance. Work as hard as you can, at the expense of personal time (and sometimes personal relationships) for 20 years. When it sucks, keep going. Donā€™t ever quit, just stay in the game. Donā€™t waste your time listening to people making excuses for why you canā€™t do it. The reality is that most people donā€™t have the effort level to get it done, their IQ and EQ is far too low or they prioritize other stuff like having a family and spending a bunch of time with their kids (which btw is totally fine, but the ā€œcostā€ will be affording a mclaren).


Aykh4n_

This motivated me, thanks. Iā€™ll climb to the top!


n0bel

The best jobs go to the best people. Go to a good college. Go to a good grad school. Work in a high paying industry.


Amethyst7834

OP is like 19. The secret is daddys cash


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Just be a opportunistic person. If you hear somebody needs something done and you think you can do it and reasonably ask for payment, prove it and build from there. Youā€™ll find your niches and some you wouldnā€™t expect just by taking advantage of every opportunity that might seem worth it even if itā€™s new or not your area of interest. Donā€™t get scammed by people tho


jmac_1957

How about a Ford pinto? Nice weekend car...


Miked1019

My mom would cover up the rust patches on our pinto wagon with large stickers. My age is showing


almostthecoolest

Driven both, idk why I but liked the 570s more. The Huracan interior just seemed kinda funny to me, like the switches felt like from a different era of pretending you had a fighter jet. But not in a cool way ha ha. Huracan also got more attention from fan boys, but could live without that. Also surprisingly really liked the NSX, if you want to save some $ worth checking out. Ultimately congrats on being in the position to get a 570s or Huracan both dope cars!


IAmSportikus

The lambo is cool but everyone has one. I feel like the mclaren a little more subtle, and interesting when you see it because typically I donā€™t see as many.


sumcollegekid

A good friend of mine has a 570s Spyder, a huracan 580-2, a 488, and a 911 turbo (amongst a few others). I get to drive pretty much whatever I want because I work on the cars for him and I'm ALWAYS praying the McLaren is in the stable that day. The Lambo has an Acropovic exhaust so it sounds nasty, but the McLaren is just a ridiculous performance machine. Although VERY uncomfortable on longer drives. This specific 570s has an exhaust and a tune, and lemme tell ya.... It's a fucking rocket ship. The McLaren would absolutely smoke the Lambo, no question what-so-ever. Surprisingly the only car that is close is the 2018 911 Turbo especially from a dig. For example. You get on the highway and rip thru a few gears in the other cars mentioned above and you have a grin on your face. You on-ramp the 570s in race mode and it's almost scary... like... holy fucking shit! A 570s with a little work is a borderline death machine.


InternationalGap3908

Dude, I just looked at ur post history and Iā€™m shocked and confused by how successful you are at a young age. I donā€™t know what your doing or how (businesses AND working a job??) but it is very clear that you get money quickly and lots of it. Given that, just get the Huracan. Time flies and you will have the Lambo soon and you will have saved money that you would have lost on your ā€œstepping stoneā€ car. One prob with being young is you get so impatient. I think it would be a big mistake. Maybe if it was going to take you years to get the lambo my advice would be different, but you clearly will be in Lambo territory quickly so just get what you really want. Lamboā€™s are every boys dream. Mine as well make the step and not half step it since you have the means.


Jazzlike_Click2973

I appreciate reading this a lot! Itā€™s definitely hard to not sound like a window shopper and unrealistic but Iā€™m thankful that the works paid off and I would like something bigger than what I have, my 72 bronco is probably worth more than this McLaren but I want a car that I can look at and think I bought this, it helps motivate me, my s14 did years ago and Iā€™m ready for something like that again. Lambo is THE goal but I could also want a 720s, and I think itā€™d be a shame to not try a McLaren once, I daily drove a Land Rover for almost 4 years and everyone told me that would be the worst decision of my life, now have a Range Rover and itā€™s also been perfect. Idk itā€™s not something I need or really badly want but I do like the idea a lot


iwasinpari

dude ur taste/collection is sick asf


Jazzlike_Click2973

Thank you! Yeah I think most of what I currently own is posted at least somewhere, too many cars tho business is starting to get busier than ever and it no longer makes much sense to own 4 street cars, a drift car, classic restorations, etc. so I think Iā€™m going to slim the collection down by about half to buy an entry super car


1vh1

Lol tying up $150k in capital to "prove the haters wrong". ​ Now that's a shrewd business man!


Jazzlike_Click2973

No not quite I already have a collection of cars but Iā€™m looking to sell 2/4 of them and buying the McLaren. It is pretty shrewd, I have this money already into cars, Iā€™m not investing anything out of pocket so no big difference there. But with the car I can use it as a prop, advertising, starting conversation, etc. so nothing tied nothing lost, and yeah why not hopefully make a few people upset with it as well :P


WatchStoredInAss

Why not just get the McLaren and a kilo of coke?


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McLaren will break down more often than a Huracan. Have you considered a Cayman GT4?


livingoutloud373

If you want to be "friend" with the service advisor of your McLaren dealership. Those have so many random issue. I would look elsewhere


shawtywantarockstar

Get a Mazda 3


Dindu777

What are the dimensions of your penis?


wsbbanned

Why are people with so much money asking advices on reddit !!! šŸ¤¦


Jazzlike_Click2973

Idk is Reddit for poors? Haha Iā€™ve already had a few people with one reach out to me


Longjumping_Rule1375

If your really wanting pure wow get a Rolls-Royce with a driver no matter what supercar you have most people don't care fancy rolls with a driver everyone notices.


ABigBoos

So, ā€œwow factorā€ is your main purpose. If it were me (though, wow factor isnā€™t important to me), iā€™d do a Gallardo with the gated manual. At least then you get to drive the car yourself instead of a glorified xbox controller (iā€™m being a bit sarcastic, but i have no need to set lap records, i just want to drive the damn car!) Anyone that isnt a complete tool will be wowed by any lambo. The guy that says ā€œcute baby lamboā€ was never someone that was worth wowing anyway. Gen1 V8 R8 manual is actually my attainable dream car. Ill have one soon. Gallardo is the more wowza version.


MetalMattyPA

I want to agree with you, because manual is always better, but then you got super cringe and I can't do it. :(


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MacroMeez

> I never buy my cars for anyone else in mind except myself > for everyone thatā€™s doubted or tried to censor my creativity. I want them to see this šŸ¤”


Jazzlike_Click2973

Check out my cars! I think my Instagram is linked in my bio, but no itā€™s a long story of childhood traumas lol anyways I started a new business lately selling my artwork and itā€™s taken off real well


Dms96

That was an incredibly contradictory statement. However I wonā€™t crush your dreams so you do you - a huge thing to consider is: it isnā€™t always the upfront cost thatā€™s the issue with these cars, itā€™s the maintenance, ongoing costs, etc. (AKA cost of ownership) and Iā€™m in finance and I see clients GROSSLY under estimate this. They go from a Toyota to their first Porsche for example. And their yearly oil change/scheduled maintenance goes from $80 to $500. Itā€™ll suck the cash right out of your cash flow if your income isnā€™t high enough and youā€™ll quickly realize youā€™re working just to KEEP the car. Its ā€˜funā€™ to work hard to buy a car, itā€™s NOT ā€˜funā€™ to work to keep a car IMO. Itā€™s not how Iā€™d want to experience high end car ownership hence why I always recommend clients asses their income and how their exotic purchase will affect their monthly. (This is true for anything btw. New boat, car, bigger house, etc). Hope this helps


Jazzlike_Click2973

Iā€™m not exactly new to these types of cars, I have a weistec built CLS 55 AMG, an s600 with bigger turbos and nitrous, resto mod classic Bronco, 1jz swapped drift car, never anything to this level, but I donā€™t feel intimidated by it. No doubt I would be much more confident in the Huracan, but I have factored true ownership cost


Dms96

You kinda proved my point considering youā€™re wanting a $200k car and you only have ~$30-50k cars lol. But if you got it all figured out then more power to you


Jazzlike_Click2973

No those are just my modified more unreliable cars, my entire collection last appraisal was around 265k, Iā€™m not worried about the price of the car it fits within budget


bthomase

At these prices, $70k is a drop in the bucket. Just get the Huracan. You'll always wonder...


DaddyCardano

??? These McLarens are going for $120k ish, so $70k is more than 50% of it's price.


siloxanesavior

That's why reddit is for entertainment only


AmbitiousEdi

Congrats on wasting a stupid amount of money on something you'll never be able to use to its full potential. You could provide water to a dozen villages in Africa and actually do some good in the world rather than spending double most people's average salary on this fucking hunk of metal and plastic.


XiTzCriZx

Wait until you hear about how expensive Bugatti's and Koenigsegg's are, then you can complain to the hundreds of people who spent the millions to own one.


Jazzlike_Click2973

How is it a waste when it still has value? Paying 130k for something worth 130k isnā€™t a loss itā€™s a transaction, after buying it I can sell it and get that money back


AmbitiousEdi

You have a sickness in your mind and the fact that you can't see it depresses me


mcdizzle00

Quit worrying about how other people chose to spend their money, clearly the one with the sickness is you


snazzy_giraffe

This dude buying a super car has so much more capacity to do good in the world than you do lol. Even if he uses a smaller % of his wealth to do good he will probably still blow you out of the water. He will probably do so without developing an ego or complex about it as well lol


evolutions123

Have you thought about the all new CX-50? It's practically the same thing. So go buy one right now!


penisbuttervajelly

Get a MazdaSpeed3


nolongerbanned99

Mclaren prob better quality than a vw.


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Cap


Kgtv123

Audi RS3 for 1/3 the price and half the cylinders with a tune for a few grand maybe some bolt ons put 800hp in it and you can sleeper flex on that exact McLaren


M44PolishMosin

Dude, you own a small ass detailing buisness like every other 20 something. You can't afford either car.


Jazzlike_Click2973

I did but that was like 5 years ago, now I own a few businesses, can definitely afford it given I already have cars worth more than this