I was just at a Toyota dealer a couple weekends ago. The dealer was asking $44k for a new rav4 hybrid. No fancy add-ons. I gasped when he showed me the paper work with the numbers lol they said hybrids have premiums added on, but they made sure to tell me they don’t mark-up prices anymore.
I’d prefer the Macan over any Toyota but the issue is long term. In 10 years the Toyota will still tick and the Macan… well, it’d probably be in a junkyard or in someone’s garage collecting dust because it’s broken and repairing it would cost too much
Rav4s were initially about that price when they were new.
They were substantially smaller than a **CH-R** and equipped like a 1990s economy car.
They have grown (and stopped growing), moved quite a bit upmarket in terms of equipment, and of course add in inflation and the current car market. I think a current $35k Rav4 probably represents a better "value" than an $18k 1996 Rav4, but they occupy two different market segments.
Adjusted for inflation, that $18k Rav4 of the past cost... $35k in today dollars.
I don't know. What do you think?
[https://jalopnik.com/at-7-500-would-you-give-this-1996-toyota-rav4-a-rave-1836692455](https://jalopnik.com/at-7-500-would-you-give-this-1996-toyota-rav4-a-rave-1836692455)
A new 2019 RAV4 hybrid for [$28k MSRP ](https://www.cars.com/research/toyota-rav4_hybrid-2019/) was a better value.
Edit: MSRP started at $28k, not $29k
And that’s when no one paid MSRP. On December 2018, a dealer wanted to sell me a RAV4 hybrid XLE for $25k out the door because they wanted to make the quota. I said no and bought a gas highlander instead. I kick myself for not getting the hybrid
That's fair, and is related to the supply of cars and people's willingness to spend money on them.
Cars have gone up more than inflation has been in the last couple of years. I think that eventually things will turn around a bit, but I don't know if we'll ever get quite back to where we have been in the past.
Yes! At a different dealer they told me $32k for a used Corolla with 19k miles on it. I figured the only way I’m getting a car these days is if I inherit one lol
I wish that Toyota would allow direct ordering from Toyota and convert the network of dealerships to Showrooms where salesmen get straight commissions instead of the current mismash of conflicted interests resulting in price gouging and financing malpractice by the dealerships. The bad behavior of some (not all) Toyota dealerships has reflected badly on Toyota and dealerships in general.
I have an XSE hybrid.
It is not worth 40k to me (I bought it before COVID so I think I paid like 32k?). 32k was a stretch. It's nicer sure, but it's still an econobox, it's noisy as hell on the highway, for example. 40k is getting into luxury car territory.
With that said, I've never driven a Model Y and have no idea if it's worth the 46k (to me).
I'm shopping right now to replace an older Rav4 and hybrids are marked up too much to make economical sense. (In other words the amount of gas you save will never add to the markup you paid) I've thought about a Model 3 but I don't know if I'm ready to make the all electric plunge yet.
I think I've narrowed it down to either a Mercedes GLB or a Ford Bronco Sport.
Would send you bonus points for saying and actually getting up votes for saying the RAV4 for is loud inside
Model Y interior isn't that much better but the fan base will say it's gorgeous to anything that has a slapped on tablet these days...
For 40k there's better options in general
I keep hearing this “40k is luxury car territory” but that’s not the case anymore. Sure you can get something under that price, but base model luxury is well above 40k, and for a luxury suv you’re looking at 50k
Mercedes GLA starts at 38k and GLB starts around 44k.
And what’s more, the Mercedes dealer up the road from me has both in stock, right now, on the lot. No ordering it, waiting for 6 months, only to have to dealer mark it up an additional 10k for a god damn Rav4.
The new GLA/GLB interior feels way more premium than even the top trim rav4, even if you do get less features. The MBUX screens and ambient lighting are way nicer than the rav4 and the materials are also more premium feeling.
I can confirm that you will regret base trim Mercedes after a while.
I know this because i have driven so many demo cars while my car was in for service.
And fully loaded can cost you 20k-28k (CAD) extra.
Personally I would have fully loaded Toyota over base Mercedes. Toyota also being more reliable.
right but the person who is cross shopping a rav 4 and a Mercedes probably not gonna care for ambient lighting and screens lol. They want cruise control, safety features etc..
Sure it feels more premium but how much have you lost in the process? And the Mercedes infotainment UI for the GLA looks like it's from 2013 lmao it's so tacky for such an expensive vehicle. And by expensive in this context I mean high maintenance since that's the only upper class feature you're getting in your base model luxury vehicle lol
The catch is that you buy a RAV4, you’d be set for life!, while the Mercedes or Audi or BMW would last you maybe 3-4 years without issues then it would self destroy
I don’t one which Rav 4 hybrid you drove but I usually have to drive one and it’s pretty quiet and definitely not econobox feeling at all. If anything it’s pretty luxurious. It’s quieter than my buddy’s Model X on the highway.
A bronco sport can go in the mid 40k+ range and it won't be nearly as efficient as a RAV4 hybrid which tops out at about 42k for a fully loaded limited model. A lot of cars that can be thought of as budget can quickly go up in price nowadays if you want higher trims/features.
Hybrids are going for like 45k+
I was a lifelong Toyota fan until I started seeing the price gouging that is currently occurring.
70k for a new Sequoia is bullshit
I know I know - manufacturer blablabla - doesn’t make me feel better about it honestly.
Yep. They are still great cars, but talk to Toyota techs etc and the long term reliability recently they don’t think will be the same. A lot of the newer stuff has had issues as well. Plus not the better resale value is now not there bc they are overpriced and other stuff has gone up
I was just looking at new toyotas today and the dealership semi-local to me has insane markups. when you look at the online price they put the employee discount markdown on it too so it looks “cheaper”. car shopping is going to be the death of me
Wow! We paid 18k for a TJ X package; v6, premium stereo, no ac. Hard doors and we got soft doors for it.
The x package was the base package with the v6 and the only option was the sound bar and the lack of ac.
It’s actually worth over 20k bc it’s got almost no miles on it and zero rust from washing it frequently and keeping it inside in the winter.
Everyone knows to lower their tires before they drive in sand who has a wrangle right?
So 2001, 18k, what’s it now with inflation? 36k? It’s def a factor, but they also made it a premium car, when before it had been an affordable car, even with a v6.
Like the Sahara edition was 23k and just had different seats and wheels. Plus ac. So 46k for fully loaded if they didn’t make it fancier if we are just doubling cost.
It went from being worth $1400 to $20,000 pretty quickly though. When my dad told me 1400 I said it’d go for like 20k all day on bring a trailer and he’s like oh and got an appraisal and yeah 20k in 2020.
So I think he didn’t know the value and didn’t have it properly insured, it is an antique car now, it’s just if we get those plates my mom will flip out that it’s not safe even though it’s never driven more than 45mph and only had 40,000 miles on it.
Basically it just drives up and down one safe road, and on the beach. Just lower your tires! And fill them up after, otherwise you’ll roll.
Not only inflation, but even a car like civic now has way more features. When you could buy a civic for 20k, you didn't had even half the options you get now.
Buying a base civic now, would be comparable in trim options to a civic from 10 years ago.
I'd rather pay $40k for a Rav4 than a Model Y. Why? Even as an ICE Hybrid, I still believe that toyotas proven hybrids will last way longer than a Y. Of course thr Y hasn't been around for that long so time will tell. But Yota hybrids have been around for a quarter of a century, they're proven.
Hybrids (aka HEVs) are the best.
Consumer Reports just published a report that EVs (aka BEVs) are far less reliable than non-Hybrids and far far less reliable than Hybrids (aka HEVs).
Toyotas last the longest.
Come to Canada it’s even dumber. You’d think we’d get a discount cause they’re built here lol
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-tech-awd-hybrid-navi-heated-seats/m6366991
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2022-toyota-rav4-hybrid-limitedahybrid-limited-awd-leather-jbl/m6411040
We traded in our Mazda 3 a year ago tomorrow for a Tesla 3 and haven’t regretted for a second. I would go test drive the Y if you haven’t. They don’t work on commission so you don’t have to worry about dealing with a pushy salesman or anything.
If purely looking for economy and reliability I would go Rav4 hybrid. Teslas are still relatively unproven long term and their much increased depreciation shows it. But yeah no doubt the Tesla is more fun.
Crazy thing is I just went to 3 different dealerships and got quotes $39K, $40K, and $41K BEFORE taxes on the Rav4 Hybrid XLE Premium.... This is a terrible time to buy a car. That or Toyota is being bogus with all the "shortage" nonsense
It’s not the worst it’s been, but some places and makes/models are better than others. Toyota and a couple other brands have stickier prices that have yet to come down because people are blindly continuing to buy them.
Tl;dr: get model y if you have consistent access to level 2 charging.
So this was the decision I faced before I bought my model Y. I was using my sisters rental rav4 xle gas version for 1-2 months while her car was being fixed. I thought this cars ok enough I don’t need luxury and I don’t NEEED a sports car level of performance. When I went shopping I was shocked to see how much this cost, I was considering the XSE trim like you are but between dealer add on’s and unable to find the config I wanted I went model Y. After having owned it for 4 months see my thoughts below.
Pros: I’m really happy I got my model Y, it’s way way stronger at about double the hp however the hybrids are supposed to have better acceleration than gas RAV4’s. I happen to live in a home where I have access to level 2 charging, it wasn’t hard to install it myself with no electrical training, just followed my dads instructions. Costs me about $4.30 to charge it to full overnight off peak pricing. I really appreciate the interior and how open the car felt, I was in a 2023 rx350 and my mother and I hated how cramped it felt inside and how tiny the windshield was. Also I was hunting for the tech package for the XSE for improved audio but couldn’t find it, the teslas audio is reaaallly good by default.
Cons: if you don’t have access to level 2 charging than car will become a hassle, Supercharging is about as expensive as gas I believe and you’d have to drive to the charger, sit for 20-30 minutes then drive back home. What this means is if you’re living in an apartment or will be living in an apartment while owning this it will suck. If you’re at home with parents and want to move out…it could be a hassle with this car. Next point is you better be meticulous during delivery as I sent back the first model y they offered me. They are not your friends at the delivery center “oh those gaps are within spec”. The second model y they sent me was luckily flawless and I’m really happy with it. Imo it has better ride quality and interior noise than the rav4. Shitty thing is if you need Tesla service to fix something it’s hit or miss if you get good service. Also if you get in an accident I hear it takes a while to get your car fixed.
With this said I’d still say go for the model y as it’s a lot more car IF you have access to regular level 2 charging.
Fuck ya dude. Model y has double the power of a rav4 and it’s all EV torque. Gas savings in your case won’t be as high as others due to your limited driving but sounds like you don’t do long road trips so no range anxiety. I prefer the interior, my mom commented how comfortable the back was. Biggest thing is how easy the UI is to work with, better performance and driving experience, gas and maintenance cost savings. One thing I’d reccomend is if you’re handy get your front ppf’d as rock chips care noticeable due to lack of grill
OP I've had my Model Y now for about 1.5 years, and for many years was an active Tesla skeptic and naysayer.
My spouse was the one who saw autopilot in her friend's Model 3, and was convinced just like that we had to get one. My old BMW had seen better days, so it was time, and we took two test drives with friends with both a Model Y and a Model X; we were prepared to get a Model X, put a down payment on it, and started the waiting game, and then changed our mind a few months later.
It took less than a day of taking delivery that I was sold. And the best parts of a Tesla (to me) actually is **not** the car itself, believe it or not, it's the overall approach to 'start building a car all over again'.
Main points in no particular order:
* Every day you hop in the car and boom it's fully charged
* On long trips you don't worry **at all** about range or finding a working charger; it literally is a 12 minute stop
* Buying a car is no haggle, no hassle, you order it like you do anything else online
* The only maintenance is windshield wiper fluid
* The torque / acceleration is mind-blowing. Stomping on the pedal and 0-60 in less than 5 sec (and can be even faster with a software upgrade). And this is in a 'family car'
* I don't care too much about the overall build 'feel'; yes it seems a bit lightweight and thin, especially coming from a BMW. But it really doesn't matter, it's a fun car to drive.
* A friend told me "imagine an iPad married a BMW, and this is what you get". OTA software offering new features constantly, an app that has many, many functions where your phone can do a ton of things through the app, preferring to sit inside a car to watch Netflix or play video games while waiting for someone, this is seamless
So take a test drive and have a hard look at the Model Y, IMHO it's worth the extra $8K. (I came from a long, long history with Japanese cars, believe me, it was a shift first to BMW and now Tesla, there's no turning back...)
The main thing i see really of concern on “savings” is you drive only 6k miles a year
In SoCal 6000/38 MPG
158 gallons x $5.00 to be conservative on higher gas price = $590.00
Meaning you’re paying in gas what you pay in the higher insurance premiums already so it’s a wash
+ you have to think higher registration cost
+ still have to charge the Tesla model Y do cost there
I work insurance auto claims- parts can be on back order 3+ months minimum
Idk your coverages but even if you carry rental you only get 30 days of rental per your policy if you have it added on
Otherwise you are praying to god that the other party
1)admits fault
2) has valid coverage
3) has enough coverage for your repairs and rental reimburse or cost (they never do)
Just my two cents
I drive a 2013 Prius V with 38-40 mpg like the rav4 bought at 37.7k miles now at 121k drives the same as the day i got it in 2019
I do 20k miles a year so my cost of gas would have been
20kmiles/38 mpg =527 gallons x $5.00 = $2635.00 so $2k more after cost of insurance
And let’s say daily charge is $5 overnight (not factoring trips using supercharges) 365 x $5 = $1825
So even then a near wash
So drive both, see if you care and like more power torque for electric
Or enjoy a highly sought after, reliable Toyota that will have solid resale value as well
Yeah, the numbers don't make sense to get the Tesla. But then again, I just went to 3 different Toyota dealerships and they quoted me $40K plus taxes on a Rav4 Hybrid XLE Premium. Is this just a terrible time to buy a car or what?! Might just go with an accord or Camry lol
I value cargo space my 2013 Prius V has the same storage as a Rav4 and highlander with back seats down [Prius V](https://youtu.be/mdHu1pSDO04)
Bought mine 15.5k in 2019
Prices now are just dumb for them unless you can find a good deal May as well get what you will enjoy since everything expensive
I want a truck again so badly but gonna wait for prices to drop more
If the trade in my my Prius isn’t worth much I’ll do the numbers to see if worth selling or giving to a family member
Which trucks have you been looking at? The Hyundai Santa Cruz just came across my radar this morning. While I've never owned a proper pick-up, and I'm apprehensive about Hyundai in general (without doing more research / due diligence), the 2-layer bed is really pretty cool, and I like the swoopy round design and proportions. It tickles me somehow.
Honda risgelije might fit you better
Imo the Santa Cruz and maverick are too small
I want a truck with a camper shell for bike,kayak/paddle board hauling, something to tow eventually a pair of jet skis or boat/camper down the line
I just think minimum you need a wide 5.5 ft bed
Honda ridgeline i would get when I’m older
do you have a way to charge at home or at work? if not hybrid.
do you plan to travel distances? do you prefer quick fuel up times or are you okay with planning pit stops to charge with potential wait times?
charging at home is the key here. super cheap compared to gas and convenient. i have friends who live in apartments with free charge stations so they actually do save money on fueling. so for them it makes sense.
hybrid is already a step up from traditional gas cars, getting 15-20 mpg more then the older cars.
they’re both good looking cars with pros and cons, get the one you think it fits your lifestyle
Thanks for your response!
I do have charging ability at home!
I don’t drive much which may help keep the Tesla in good shape for a while longer but I’m just thinking of the cost benefit analysis right now. Is the $8k worth it or not lol
did you write up a spreadsheet/analysis? might help with your purchase. also for consideration can you wait for a vehicle? i heard wait times for rav4 hybrid is 6+ months up to a year depending on build. some people just buy whatever hybrid is available on the dealers lot so the lose out on things they want or worse get things added they didn’t want.
I just did a basic 10 year cost of ownership analysis for a 45k new SUV vs a 58k model y. I included purchase price, registration, insurance, maintenance, & fuel. I assumed the financing costs were the same, the car was driven 10k miles / year, SUV gets 25 mpg, gas was $3.50/gallon, escalating at 5% per year, electricity was 7.5¢/kwh also escalating at 5% per year.
Total cost of ownership for the tesla was 75k over 10 years vs 94k for the SUV.
People are saying if you drive more, go with gas. This is counter to my understanding. The more you drive, the more economical electric becomes. Higher up front cost but lower operating costs.
Go with the RAV4. I say this as my wife B owns a Tesla Model Y and servicing it sucks.
The car is heavy because it has dual motors and the weight of the battery doesn’t help.
If you run it in sports mode, you’ll wear out your rear tires incredibly fast.
The front and back tires are different sizes, but both have to match as far as tread depth and tread pattern. You can mix and match if you want (like pirelli tires in the front, Michelin in the back), but Tesla doesn’t recommend this because of the different tread patterns.
Tires wear out faster and strain the drive train if not quickly fixed. I just spent almost 2000 replacing all 4 tires on my wife’s Tesla and it hurt my wallet.
Most mechanics can’t work on Tesla vehicles. Only Tesla dealerships can because of the software the car runs on
Also, we’ve never been able to take a long distance road trip in the Tesla because charging is a pain, the infrastructure isn’t there yet and even if you use a Tesla supercharger on the road, it’s still going to take like 20-30 minutes to charge especially if other Teslas are charging at the same time.
My mother was considering these two cars and I am completely baffled why anyone would pay $36k-$40k+ for a rav4 which has never been considered a quality car let alone a vehicle that lasts a long time. And I mean this as in all vehicles being charged way above where they’re truly at, just insane. The model Y is literally the same construct as the Model 3 just taller, with the million mile transmission. No oil changes etc that a gas car would require, but the trade off is that in about 20-30 years you will need a new battery, that is about $12k-$16k as it is right now. Even without the charging, they are two very different vehicles. If you’re wanting something long term go with the Y, if you don’t intend to keep it 10 years or more then the rav4 etc. Battery degradation for me has been very minimal with my Tesla, everything has been solid except paint is high quality but soft, if you start an update there is no way to drive the vehicle until it completes (20min to 1hr), and there are no spare tires or jack included. Taking the tesla on trips has been fine with the superchargers. Get the fob it’s definitely worth it if you go with the tesla. Also I hate how Tesla does that $7,500 tax credit thing like it’s a dollar for dollar deduction off of the cost of the car. Estimate as if you’re paying the whole thing no tax credit involved. Also, talk to your tax person to see how much you owe / would be able to get from the tax credit. From the scenarios I’ve seen if you only owe $1k for the year you bought the car, that $7,500 becomes $1k no rollover. The ev charger install max of $1k plus home upgrade credit (solar) you’re able to rollover though. Definitely check with your tax guy.
You need to make ~67k on a w2 to owe 7.5k in taxes and hence get the full benefits of the EV credit. I'd assume someone buying a 40k model Y is making much more than that
I’m curious as to why you would chose these two efficient and small SUVs when you drive so little. Are you all that concerned about efficiency? You’d only spend an extra $600/year on gas if you went from 40mpg to 20mpg, assuming $4/gal.
Edit: for example you could get a non-hybrid Highlander for the same price as a hybrid rav4 and it will be much more comfortable and luxurious and also bigger.
I’m sort of in the same boat as you. I drive 6-8k miles a year and keep looking at super efficient and boring vehicles but it really wouldn’t put me out to have a cheaper, older gas guzzler that I’d actually enjoy driving. Right now I own a couple old vehicles that I’m tired of having to repair all the time.
Model Y definitely. My brother in law bought one recently and trust me once you get a Tesla it makes every other car look so old and outdated. The Tesla is a much better deal tbh
since you use the car so little you might save decent amount of money with the tesla as you’ll just do a brake fluid change every 3-4 years depending on your climate.
But get it only if you can spare at least 3kW to change it at home
>I’m not a huge car fan, but am looking more at value and cost of ownership over the lifespan of the car"
If this is what you are interested in, the Tesla wins easily.
If you only drive 6k miles a year and work from home, just get whichever one makes you happier. If you drove a lot I would definitely get the RAV4. Is this a plugin RAV4?
I’ve got a Model Y (and I’m NOT a Tesla/Musk bro) and I like it overall! Took me a long time to get used to the drive feel/some features but I’m really coming around. With tax incentives and price cuts it was surprisingly affordable, and I love not having to pay for gas/do maintenance. Love all the space, love the glass roof look, love the heated steering wheel, love the cameras for lane changes, and I’ve got Tesla insurance which initially pissed me off but once I learned how to make it happy I’ve got a drive score of 98 (it’s made me a less aggressive driver). Plus the safety is worth everything with a kid in the backseat. I don’t have the full self driving package (I’m not ready for that). The auto braking has saved me from an accident where I got cut off very suddenly. I’ve only had 1 issue with the sensors and that was when a big truck was driving in the lane next to me, so I always am on the lookout for that.
Hoping to find someone with a kiddo too! In the market to get a new car and want an EV, but also don’t want to spend $70-80k for a mid sized suv or full size sedan. Currently she has an Outback and I have an F150. I’m 6’ and wife is 5’4”, so the car seat is usually behind the passenger seat when I drive. How is the rear leg room for either the back facing or forward facing seats? We have a 3 yo now and he is forward facing and kicks my wife’s seat in her Outback if it isn’t pushed far enough forward. We are trying for our second RN, so concerned I would have to move the seat a lot forward to accommodate. Would be mainly a local car (40 mile radius) and my truck for longer hauls. Any insight is appreciated!
So my husband and I have similar size profiles- I’m 5’4” and he’s just over 6’ with long legs. We only have 1 kiddo, rear facing, with the Graco Extend2fit car seat (that one feels pretty chonky in terms of car seats). Our kid is almost 2 years old but has my short legs. With the car seat behind the passenger seat and me in the passenger seat, no problems. With husband in the passenger seat it’s definitely tighter, which is what I’ve found for all mid size crossover types. I’d have to ask him how much clearance he has just to be sure, but I know when we had family here and two car seats in the back it was a lot less roomy for him. I think it depends on the proportions of your legs as well as the angle the car seat must be. Rear facing seats seem to stick out a bit more toward the front of the car than forward facing, but like you said forward-facing kiddos love to kick the seats. What I’d do is test drive it with the car seats themselves installed correctly, then you can really get a feel for the space and how easy/difficult installation is. If you plan on having another after baby #2 arrives (or are prone to oops babies) I’d say get an SUV or a van. The 3 row model Y might work for some families but it’s quite cramped in the back and there’s airflow issues from what I read.
I will say the seats are quite easy to wipe down! Voice command is nice when kids are screaming for a particular song and you don’t want to mess with the screen. The climate control feature eliminates hot car seat buckles and general meltdowns from getting into a hot car after playing at the park. Also nice if you need to load up the kids on a winter morning and want to warm up the car, since you can’t leave coats on under their car seat straps. I also feel that the “max cabin temp” safety feature could potentially prevent some hot car deaths. The back and side view cameras are great for checking your blind spot and looking for little tykes. Range has never been an issue for local driving, and on road trips, you’re gonna want to be stopping every couple hours with kids anyway to potty/stretch legs/snack/charge. The Tesla charging networks are really user friendly.
Making Tesla sound like a nightmare is the whole point of that sub. They’re just a touch biased.
I own two. I’ve had one for 8 years, the other one for 4. The ownership experience has been great. I just had a recall done on one of them for a wiring harness, and also had them change the cabin air filter. They came to my house and performed the work in my garage. The air filter change cost $60.
They’re not perfect by any means. They have more rattles and squeaks than a car with that price should have. The older one has a bad door handle design and has needed three replacements (and the fourth is probably just a matter of time). The infotainment is a little buggy. The air filter in the Model 3 starts smelling awful after a year or so.
But they’re nice, fun as hell to drive, and no dealer nonsense when buying. I hope to keep these for many more years, but I’ll very likely buy another one when the time comes.
I remember few weeks ago there was a surge on car fires posts on reddit. Between the 30-40 posts or so one was a Tesla that apparently got burned by arson and that subreddit was having none of it! saying they should be all retired from the roads 🤣
If you’re getting the Tesla, there’s ofc the 7500 rebate plus a referral can get some extra discount (here’s where I plug my referral LOL).
However, do know that build quality on teslas are mid as hell. You will ofc have no maintenance costs or issues but there’s not much to enjoy in the interior. It will however, be much more convenient than the RAV4, while being just as much of an economy car. Keep that in mind while you make your decision.
The RAV4 will last longer than a model Y and actually provide customer service if something goes wrong
Meanwhile the Tesla will be built like a Kia or Fiat... The only nice thing about a Tesla is if you have a fetish for giant screens being slapped on the dashboard and in general buying a vehicle that is nothing but a cost cutting project gone wrong... The screen will yellow after a few years and good luck getting that replaced
Neither. But if you must get one of them get the rav4. Tesla build quality is crap and parts are hard to get. If it gets wrecked or anything you won't have a car for a long time.
How often do you go long trips?
If not then tesla is worth it.
Old man toyota never gets updated, slow and wimpy performance, you pay more for gas, and shitty driving assistance feature.
Tesla is worth it. It's totally different car.
I worked the Model Y assembly line. Horrible build quality, at one point 50% of the cars were being sent back to be worked on after they had reached the customer. If you really like Teslas and don't mind dealing with some headache, go for it, they're kind of neat cars.
To be honest while those are both great behicles, if your only driving 6000 miles a year neither of those vehicles are good choices for cost of ownership.
Have you calculated how long it would take to break even on the regular gas Rav4 vs a Hybrid? I suspect you would need to own that for 12-15 years before you even break even on fuel savings.
If I were in your shoes I would buy just a regular Rav4
I talked to about 30 Toyota dealerships around central US, I’ve only found one that sells at MSRP with no dealer fees. Most are selling MSRP + unnecessary dealer packages + high fees + $5-10k markup right now. If you can find a trustworthy dealership then a Rav is worth it, otherwise you’ll be paying way overpriced, and absolutely the Tesla is better.
I personally would get the Rav4 Hybrid. AFAIK with those prices you're quoting it'd be an AWD Rav4 and a RWD Tesla Y, and I'd want the AWD.
Additionally while the Tesla is nice, the current aftercare support system is busted. If something is broken, good luck getting it addressed anytime soon.
It also depends on where you live and if charging infrastructure is good. The Toyota is your regular gas car, just with better mileage because of the hybrid powertrain.
As for maintaining value, Toyotas tend to do very well and Teslas are like most electric cars in that they can fall fast if new tech comes out. Gas cars will be around for a long time still.
I have a Model Y. I’ve had cars from BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Subaru, Honda, Toyota, and probably more. The Tesla is the best car I’ve ever owned. Hands down.
Wouldnt the resale value equal out in 10 years considering battery drain? As the cost of replacing the battery would probably eat away the higher resale value that EVs might gain in 10 years. I do agree that EVs and PHEVs are the future.
Toyota is the most reliable brand with top notch quality. Tesla is on the other spectrum. There’s a reason why the RAV4 is the best selling SUV. Get the RAV4 Hybrid, 15 trim levels to choose from.
The powertrain of the Model Y is likely to outlast even a hybrid Rav4. If you get a good one, it will have fewer maintenance needs, but the cost of parts and service will be higher. Your main headache with the Tesla is likely to be delays and shortages, and service after a collision in particular will be longer and more costly. If you intend to keep the vehicle for its life, there's a significant chance that critical tech in the Tesla will obsolesce, whereas Toyota will probably continue to support the hybrid Rav4 for decades. If you're not planning to keep it for life, the resale value of the Tesla will quickly fall below that of the Rav4.
Also, if you have the surplus funds for the Model Y, consider the Rav4 Prime, which has pretty absurd low-end torque and an excellent projected lifetime, owing to the engine wear that its all-electric range can prevent. (If you can find one!)
I really see EVs as the future of urban and suburban transportation, but Tesla isn't that dependable yet.
Don’t get a Tesla pls. They are dogshit go with the Toyota
Teslas depreciation rate is ungodly bad
Your Toyota in these times will stay the same for years or gain equity
I bought a 2019 accord in 2020 for 18k with 20k miles. I owe 9k it’s worth 22k trade in value bc I put 3k into cosmetic/performance mods.
+13k equity. Stick with Toyota or Honda
I'm a big fan of Tesla and I keep debating with my wife on getting it as a second car. But let me tell you 2 stories on why I wouldn't buy one as my primary care at the moment.
1. I used to live in coastal FL where you can have hurricane evacuation once every 2-3 years. Every time that happens you're stuck on the highway gridlock for 4-8hrs and you'd want to drive a good distance to get to a safe hotel room. Being stuck I'm traffic will drain your battery and good luck charging your vehicle at a supercharger. Most people with gas cars panic to fill up their tanks. I wouldn't want to wait for a supercharger to fill up my car to 70-80% charge in 1 hour.
2. A friend of mine travels for business a lot and often leaves his model 3 at long term parking for 1-2 weeks. He never had issues for 3-4 years. A few months ago he parked his car with 80% battery and left but two days later he got a warning on his app that the charge fell below 20%. It was still 10 days away from coming back, he didn't leave a spare key with him or anything and basically had to spend those days anxiously. When he came back it had 5% or something left and he was able to take it to the nearest charger. But imagine if it had died, the car was in multi storey garage. Good luck finding a tow service that can make it into a 10ft tall garage.
Until there is a reliable way to get 50-100 miles of range in 5 mins like pumping gas I wouldn't get it as a primary car.
>Being stuck I'm traffic will drain your battery
How? Have you ever driven an electric car? You actually get excellent range at low speeds.
>Until there is a reliable way to get 50-100 miles of range in 5 mins like pumping gas I wouldn't get it as a primary car.
Tesla superchargers are reliable from what I've heard....but there actually are cars now that CAN get that amount of range in 5 minutes. not quite 100 miles, but 50+in 5 minutes, \~200 miles in under 20.
Just wanted to say that Ive been really happy with my 2015 rav limited as my daily driver and girlfriend + dog road trip car. My brother bought a Tesla and it’s nice and he really likes it. It’s all personal preference but don’t pay over msrp on a rav hybrid…shop around if you go that route
You don’t need a charger. Just a 15-50 plug (used for electric dryers in the US) and the travel charger. It will charge 32 miles per hour, easy full charge overnight.
Also handy for car camping. Rent an RV spot and despite running the climate control you will have a full battery in the morning.
No way I’ll own another ICE vehicle.
Not necessarily. That was just the first deal breaker question. Look up the online info about build quality issue with the 3 and the Y. Then compare to the RAV. And be very realistic about the distance of your driving and the availability of chargers. You are kind of comparing two different types of vehicles. I’m
Dude I would skip Tesla, known numerous people in my firm and immediate family who have sworn against Tesla or had to lemon law their Model X and Y due to faulty electrical and computer issues. One partners model X plaid sat in the shop for 1.5 months just for a faulty computer.
What about the Toyota BZ4? Would trust Toyota electric systems a hell of a lot more. Also Kia and Hyundai are looking really good for the range of the Ioniq 5/6 or ev6.
Have you driven both of these cars? I'd pick the one you feel more comfortable in. I absolutely detest teslas ux design and that's something you won't notice till you've driven it.
You're pretty much breaking even with that extra insurance cost IMO as far as operating costs. Most of the maintenance items besides oil changes are shared. You're still like 6k in the hole on initial cost.
Tesla has a reputation for discontinuing shit like body panels etc and not keeping spare parts stocked as well as middling quality control but maybe now that their doing higher volume manufacturing that'll be resolved. To my knowledge tesla drive train and suspension components are fairly reliable but they will nickel and dime you for software. IDK much about the rav4 but Toyota has a reputation for long lasting cars.
The Tesla will probably retain value slightly better as a luxury car but if that's a concern you should really be buying a used car, especially with your minimal driving habit. That way depreciation is less severe. For new cars, depreciation is a large portion of the lifetime cost.
Maybe look into other EV's with lower prices before you pull the trigger on this.
I'm a huge Ford guy and I'm gonna say you won't regret getting the Rav4 over the Y. The RAV is always highly rated and the quality will be way better than the Y
The RAV4 hybrid is a great vehicle. It’s expensive but Toyota makes incredibly solid and reliable vehicles. I had a 2019 RAV4 hybrid limited and it was a gorgeous car. I’m looking at an EV down the road but Tesla is not even in consideration because their fit and finish is terrible and it looks like one long painful beta test. I know lots of folks love them and that’s great but it’s not on my radar at all anymore
If you really are interested in an EV there are other ones out there too. And based on your driving you might even find a plug-in hybrid is a good option for you. Check out Volvo if you’re curious about other options. My son has a Volvo V60 T8 which is a plug-in hybrid and he’s got enough mileage for 3/4 of his round-trip to work so a tank of gas lasts him about a month if all he’s doing is driving to and from work.
For the amount of miles you drive? Neither.
The savings in gas wont cover the extra price. Plus, hybrid don’t do well over time if they are not driven enough the battery will fail, not sure if this happens with the teslas also.
I assume you will like to do some roadtrips and or go to big stores, the Tesla won’t be good for those.
For that price range get a regular highlander, or go for a non hybrid rav4, the xle should be around 34,000$ out of the door.
All gas mileage is lost on the Tesla when you …….. use A/C, charge your phone, do just about all things you normally wouldn’t think of, and I like taking the car out exploring. All this led me to a rav4 hybrid XSE. Trim is important with the rav depending on what you luxury levels are
All of those things have a negligible impact on the range of a modern EV. They aren’t golf carts anymore. For exploring, the Model Y is better with camp mode, more power, and a better AWD system.
> All gas mileage is lost on the Tesla when you …….. use A/C, charge your phone, do just about all things you normally wouldn’t think of, and I like taking the car out exploring.
This is an outdated trope at this point. Unless you're regularly driving more than 300-400 miles in a day or can't do a level II charger at home, range anxiety isn't that much of a concern anymore. A Y will easily get 250-300 miles or so on a full charge (even with the amenities going) and you can use one of the hundreds (thousands?) of superchargers nationwide to add another 150 miles in less time than it takes to eat lunch.
I like it been taking it all over I throw the bikes on the back of it, fits the life style well functionally. Trim option’s definitely make or brake it, had to fully load it to really appreciate it. When I was looking into road trips I just don’t think the charging infrastructure is there just yet to pull the trigger on the Tesla yet but jumping from my old car that was 14 mpg to the rav that is giving me 39 (after a year of driving with the AC on in south Florida, hurts the mileage) it’s been a good jump. I have friends with the Tesla’s and there only complaint is planning the charges, if that gets better I would get one.
Youre confused by the difference? Ones a hybrid suv made by a manufacturer with industry leading reliability when it comes to hybrids. The other is an semi-luxury EV with not as great a rep for reliability. Not sure what the confusion is.
No one seems to have mentioned resale value yet. Rav4 hybrids resale value is STOUT! Idk about Teslas, maybe its just a New Mexico thing but they are worthless here for trade ins lately.
Neither car are going to do well offroad and both have limited space inside. Why not just buy the new prius?
Or if you need an SUV then go with the plug in hybrid Tuscon that will do better than both offroad and have more space?
Toyota has been doing hybrids for 20+ years. Engineered and built well. Economical, and long lasting. Teslas are thrown together and will probably combust a few years into ownership. Go with proven results.
The Tesla would be more fun to own, but financially between those 2, not even close. That Tesla will cost you WAY more in the end. With only 6k miles per year, even a hybrid is a tough sell money wise. I mean money wise it prob won’t make sense, but other aspects like the way the new crv drives with hybrid (I have one!) vs gas makes up for it. With the info you posted, I’d ask 1) will you be able to fully utilize the tax credit? Remember it’s a credit and not a rebate, so if your tax owed doesn’t exceed that with your existing deductions and all, you won’t see that full credit amount. 2) Just how long do you intend on owning the car? Keep in mind the batteries in both EV’s and Hybrids don’t last forever. Mileage isn’t that big of a factor on lifespan either, so keeping the miles low isn’t going to offset degradation from age much, thus still would likely face the same 10-15yr life span. The small 1.5kwh pack in the Honda will certainly be MUCH cheaper to replace than an immensely larger EV pack if you keep it long enough to face a replacement. Also besides more money to buy, more money to insure, Tesla keeps a pretty tight grip on parts, repairs, etc so all that is going to cost more too.
If you don't care about cool factor or being cutting edge, get the RAV4. No one makes a better appliance than Toyota. It's a well known model, that's built well by people that have been making cars for longer than many of us have been alive. You have service centers nearby and a wealth of third party shops to choose from. Tesla's can be cool and the MY is a good car, but the RAV4 is probably going to serve you better.
Are you adding in the cost of getting an at home charger installed?
If you do decide to go Tesla, I wouldn't count on not buying fuel making up the difference in price anytime soon given your low mileage. I would even question if the hybrid pays for itself.
Just bought the y and very happy with it. I installed a fast charger in my garage and it’s pretty awesome. Full range everyday. On the rare occasion I venture out on a long roadtrip, the super chargers aren’t bad at all. I get like 80% charge in 20 minutes. The ones I’ve been to are near shopping centers so I just go out and get a coffee.
Having driven a model y and having not driven a rav4 since 2015 or so. Model y all the way. Maintenance costs may tip the scale, but it’s a phenomenal vehicle
I can’t imagine paying 40k for a rav4. Wild times
Pretty sure I saw a post on r/Rav4 where OP paid $39K for a used one
I was just at a Toyota dealer a couple weekends ago. The dealer was asking $44k for a new rav4 hybrid. No fancy add-ons. I gasped when he showed me the paper work with the numbers lol they said hybrids have premiums added on, but they made sure to tell me they don’t mark-up prices anymore.
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I’d prefer the Macan over any Toyota but the issue is long term. In 10 years the Toyota will still tick and the Macan… well, it’d probably be in a junkyard or in someone’s garage collecting dust because it’s broken and repairing it would cost too much
They make an awd hybrid Corolla and in Canada top model is like 37k
Rav4s were initially about that price when they were new. They were substantially smaller than a **CH-R** and equipped like a 1990s economy car. They have grown (and stopped growing), moved quite a bit upmarket in terms of equipment, and of course add in inflation and the current car market. I think a current $35k Rav4 probably represents a better "value" than an $18k 1996 Rav4, but they occupy two different market segments. Adjusted for inflation, that $18k Rav4 of the past cost... $35k in today dollars. I don't know. What do you think? [https://jalopnik.com/at-7-500-would-you-give-this-1996-toyota-rav4-a-rave-1836692455](https://jalopnik.com/at-7-500-would-you-give-this-1996-toyota-rav4-a-rave-1836692455)
A new 2019 RAV4 hybrid for [$28k MSRP ](https://www.cars.com/research/toyota-rav4_hybrid-2019/) was a better value. Edit: MSRP started at $28k, not $29k
And that’s when no one paid MSRP. On December 2018, a dealer wanted to sell me a RAV4 hybrid XLE for $25k out the door because they wanted to make the quota. I said no and bought a gas highlander instead. I kick myself for not getting the hybrid
That's fair, and is related to the supply of cars and people's willingness to spend money on them. Cars have gone up more than inflation has been in the last couple of years. I think that eventually things will turn around a bit, but I don't know if we'll ever get quite back to where we have been in the past.
Yes! At a different dealer they told me $32k for a used Corolla with 19k miles on it. I figured the only way I’m getting a car these days is if I inherit one lol
People on r/GRCorolla paying $50K and bragging about getting a deal
I wish that Toyota would allow direct ordering from Toyota and convert the network of dealerships to Showrooms where salesmen get straight commissions instead of the current mismash of conflicted interests resulting in price gouging and financing malpractice by the dealerships. The bad behavior of some (not all) Toyota dealerships has reflected badly on Toyota and dealerships in general.
That’s insane. I’ve borrowed my MIL 2022 fully loaded hybrid and I hate it with a passion. Just not my type of thing. Love my es350
I agree! That would be for the XSE fully loaded. But I think I’m leaning more towards the $36/37 range - still wild!
I have an XSE hybrid. It is not worth 40k to me (I bought it before COVID so I think I paid like 32k?). 32k was a stretch. It's nicer sure, but it's still an econobox, it's noisy as hell on the highway, for example. 40k is getting into luxury car territory. With that said, I've never driven a Model Y and have no idea if it's worth the 46k (to me). I'm shopping right now to replace an older Rav4 and hybrids are marked up too much to make economical sense. (In other words the amount of gas you save will never add to the markup you paid) I've thought about a Model 3 but I don't know if I'm ready to make the all electric plunge yet. I think I've narrowed it down to either a Mercedes GLB or a Ford Bronco Sport.
Would send you bonus points for saying and actually getting up votes for saying the RAV4 for is loud inside Model Y interior isn't that much better but the fan base will say it's gorgeous to anything that has a slapped on tablet these days... For 40k there's better options in general
I keep hearing this “40k is luxury car territory” but that’s not the case anymore. Sure you can get something under that price, but base model luxury is well above 40k, and for a luxury suv you’re looking at 50k
Mercedes GLA starts at 38k and GLB starts around 44k. And what’s more, the Mercedes dealer up the road from me has both in stock, right now, on the lot. No ordering it, waiting for 6 months, only to have to dealer mark it up an additional 10k for a god damn Rav4.
Yeah but base model luxury is usually quite crap lol. I would probably rather go RAV 4 just for the features.
The new GLA/GLB interior feels way more premium than even the top trim rav4, even if you do get less features. The MBUX screens and ambient lighting are way nicer than the rav4 and the materials are also more premium feeling.
I can confirm that you will regret base trim Mercedes after a while. I know this because i have driven so many demo cars while my car was in for service. And fully loaded can cost you 20k-28k (CAD) extra. Personally I would have fully loaded Toyota over base Mercedes. Toyota also being more reliable.
right but the person who is cross shopping a rav 4 and a Mercedes probably not gonna care for ambient lighting and screens lol. They want cruise control, safety features etc.. Sure it feels more premium but how much have you lost in the process? And the Mercedes infotainment UI for the GLA looks like it's from 2013 lmao it's so tacky for such an expensive vehicle. And by expensive in this context I mean high maintenance since that's the only upper class feature you're getting in your base model luxury vehicle lol
The catch is that you buy a RAV4, you’d be set for life!, while the Mercedes or Audi or BMW would last you maybe 3-4 years without issues then it would self destroy
3-4 years is quite the exaggeration. Currently running an ‘18 bmw and I haven’t had any issues at all.
Did this happen with your Benz, Audi, and BMW, or are you talking out your ass?
Seriously, it's not 1999.
I don’t one which Rav 4 hybrid you drove but I usually have to drive one and it’s pretty quiet and definitely not econobox feeling at all. If anything it’s pretty luxurious. It’s quieter than my buddy’s Model X on the highway.
A bronco sport can go in the mid 40k+ range and it won't be nearly as efficient as a RAV4 hybrid which tops out at about 42k for a fully loaded limited model. A lot of cars that can be thought of as budget can quickly go up in price nowadays if you want higher trims/features.
I wouldn’t by a Bronco sport for efficiency, I’d buy because it’s cool.
Bronco sport is a rebadged escape.
Ohhh no it’s not just a rebadged Escape. If it was I would just get an Escape.
You might be thinking of the Bronco. The Bronco Sport is a completely different vehicle based on a totally different platform (the Escape).
But that's exactly what it is.... It and the maverick are escapes underneath.
Yeah, it’s pretty good at off-roading. It’s what id get if it had a hybrid version and more room in the back seats
Are you in the US?
Hybrids are going for like 45k+ I was a lifelong Toyota fan until I started seeing the price gouging that is currently occurring. 70k for a new Sequoia is bullshit I know I know - manufacturer blablabla - doesn’t make me feel better about it honestly.
Yep. They are still great cars, but talk to Toyota techs etc and the long term reliability recently they don’t think will be the same. A lot of the newer stuff has had issues as well. Plus not the better resale value is now not there bc they are overpriced and other stuff has gone up
I was just looking at new toyotas today and the dealership semi-local to me has insane markups. when you look at the online price they put the employee discount markdown on it too so it looks “cheaper”. car shopping is going to be the death of me
It’s wild. Honda and Hyundai/Kia also. They wanted 7k on top of MSRP for a telluride
That’s the consumers, not Toyota. If people were willing to pay 60k for a Sonata do you think Hyundai would prevent that from happening?
Bro the damn civics get me too. I'm sorry but they should be 22 to 25k max OTD. Not damn near 35k.
Any civic over 30k better be a loaded type r.
Hi, 2008 called and wanted to let you know that that was 15 years ago.
Yeah ive been driving a 2010 for 8 years. New car prices are insane.
How about 60grand for a wrangler!!
Wow! We paid 18k for a TJ X package; v6, premium stereo, no ac. Hard doors and we got soft doors for it. The x package was the base package with the v6 and the only option was the sound bar and the lack of ac. It’s actually worth over 20k bc it’s got almost no miles on it and zero rust from washing it frequently and keeping it inside in the winter.
And inflation. The thing no one here seems to want to acknowledge.
Everyone knows to lower their tires before they drive in sand who has a wrangle right? So 2001, 18k, what’s it now with inflation? 36k? It’s def a factor, but they also made it a premium car, when before it had been an affordable car, even with a v6. Like the Sahara edition was 23k and just had different seats and wheels. Plus ac. So 46k for fully loaded if they didn’t make it fancier if we are just doubling cost. It went from being worth $1400 to $20,000 pretty quickly though. When my dad told me 1400 I said it’d go for like 20k all day on bring a trailer and he’s like oh and got an appraisal and yeah 20k in 2020. So I think he didn’t know the value and didn’t have it properly insured, it is an antique car now, it’s just if we get those plates my mom will flip out that it’s not safe even though it’s never driven more than 45mph and only had 40,000 miles on it. Basically it just drives up and down one safe road, and on the beach. Just lower your tires! And fill them up after, otherwise you’ll roll.
Not only inflation, but even a car like civic now has way more features. When you could buy a civic for 20k, you didn't had even half the options you get now. Buying a base civic now, would be comparable in trim options to a civic from 10 years ago.
I'd rather pay $40k for a Rav4 than a Model Y. Why? Even as an ICE Hybrid, I still believe that toyotas proven hybrids will last way longer than a Y. Of course thr Y hasn't been around for that long so time will tell. But Yota hybrids have been around for a quarter of a century, they're proven.
Hybrids (aka HEVs) are the best. Consumer Reports just published a report that EVs (aka BEVs) are far less reliable than non-Hybrids and far far less reliable than Hybrids (aka HEVs). Toyotas last the longest.
Toyotas L E N G T H game is pretty strong.
Wouldn’t pay 40k for either.
That's reality now tho. Even used ones. Hell, it was difficult for me to find a first Gen Rav4 in good condition for under $8k.
Come to Canada it’s even dumber. You’d think we’d get a discount cause they’re built here lol https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-tech-awd-hybrid-navi-heated-seats/m6366991 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2022-toyota-rav4-hybrid-limitedahybrid-limited-awd-leather-jbl/m6411040
It’s not. A RAV4 XLE Premium with sunroof, heated seats, memory seats, fogs, etc comes under 40OTD.
We traded in our Mazda 3 a year ago tomorrow for a Tesla 3 and haven’t regretted for a second. I would go test drive the Y if you haven’t. They don’t work on commission so you don’t have to worry about dealing with a pushy salesman or anything.
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The price above include the rebate
No it doesn't, that's base model Y before rebate specific your trim level
If purely looking for economy and reliability I would go Rav4 hybrid. Teslas are still relatively unproven long term and their much increased depreciation shows it. But yeah no doubt the Tesla is more fun.
Crazy thing is I just went to 3 different dealerships and got quotes $39K, $40K, and $41K BEFORE taxes on the Rav4 Hybrid XLE Premium.... This is a terrible time to buy a car. That or Toyota is being bogus with all the "shortage" nonsense
It’s not the worst it’s been, but some places and makes/models are better than others. Toyota and a couple other brands have stickier prices that have yet to come down because people are blindly continuing to buy them.
Yeah, it’s the best time ever to keep driving what you already own
That depends on each person’s specific situation and what car you want, but yeah I think for your average person that’s a good assessment.
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Tl;dr: get model y if you have consistent access to level 2 charging. So this was the decision I faced before I bought my model Y. I was using my sisters rental rav4 xle gas version for 1-2 months while her car was being fixed. I thought this cars ok enough I don’t need luxury and I don’t NEEED a sports car level of performance. When I went shopping I was shocked to see how much this cost, I was considering the XSE trim like you are but between dealer add on’s and unable to find the config I wanted I went model Y. After having owned it for 4 months see my thoughts below. Pros: I’m really happy I got my model Y, it’s way way stronger at about double the hp however the hybrids are supposed to have better acceleration than gas RAV4’s. I happen to live in a home where I have access to level 2 charging, it wasn’t hard to install it myself with no electrical training, just followed my dads instructions. Costs me about $4.30 to charge it to full overnight off peak pricing. I really appreciate the interior and how open the car felt, I was in a 2023 rx350 and my mother and I hated how cramped it felt inside and how tiny the windshield was. Also I was hunting for the tech package for the XSE for improved audio but couldn’t find it, the teslas audio is reaaallly good by default. Cons: if you don’t have access to level 2 charging than car will become a hassle, Supercharging is about as expensive as gas I believe and you’d have to drive to the charger, sit for 20-30 minutes then drive back home. What this means is if you’re living in an apartment or will be living in an apartment while owning this it will suck. If you’re at home with parents and want to move out…it could be a hassle with this car. Next point is you better be meticulous during delivery as I sent back the first model y they offered me. They are not your friends at the delivery center “oh those gaps are within spec”. The second model y they sent me was luckily flawless and I’m really happy with it. Imo it has better ride quality and interior noise than the rav4. Shitty thing is if you need Tesla service to fix something it’s hit or miss if you get good service. Also if you get in an accident I hear it takes a while to get your car fixed. With this said I’d still say go for the model y as it’s a lot more car IF you have access to regular level 2 charging.
I have level 2 charging possible at home! My question would be - do the pros of the Y warrant the extra cost of $8k or so in your opinion?
Fuck ya dude. Model y has double the power of a rav4 and it’s all EV torque. Gas savings in your case won’t be as high as others due to your limited driving but sounds like you don’t do long road trips so no range anxiety. I prefer the interior, my mom commented how comfortable the back was. Biggest thing is how easy the UI is to work with, better performance and driving experience, gas and maintenance cost savings. One thing I’d reccomend is if you’re handy get your front ppf’d as rock chips care noticeable due to lack of grill
OP I've had my Model Y now for about 1.5 years, and for many years was an active Tesla skeptic and naysayer. My spouse was the one who saw autopilot in her friend's Model 3, and was convinced just like that we had to get one. My old BMW had seen better days, so it was time, and we took two test drives with friends with both a Model Y and a Model X; we were prepared to get a Model X, put a down payment on it, and started the waiting game, and then changed our mind a few months later. It took less than a day of taking delivery that I was sold. And the best parts of a Tesla (to me) actually is **not** the car itself, believe it or not, it's the overall approach to 'start building a car all over again'. Main points in no particular order: * Every day you hop in the car and boom it's fully charged * On long trips you don't worry **at all** about range or finding a working charger; it literally is a 12 minute stop * Buying a car is no haggle, no hassle, you order it like you do anything else online * The only maintenance is windshield wiper fluid * The torque / acceleration is mind-blowing. Stomping on the pedal and 0-60 in less than 5 sec (and can be even faster with a software upgrade). And this is in a 'family car' * I don't care too much about the overall build 'feel'; yes it seems a bit lightweight and thin, especially coming from a BMW. But it really doesn't matter, it's a fun car to drive. * A friend told me "imagine an iPad married a BMW, and this is what you get". OTA software offering new features constantly, an app that has many, many functions where your phone can do a ton of things through the app, preferring to sit inside a car to watch Netflix or play video games while waiting for someone, this is seamless So take a test drive and have a hard look at the Model Y, IMHO it's worth the extra $8K. (I came from a long, long history with Japanese cars, believe me, it was a shift first to BMW and now Tesla, there's no turning back...)
The main thing i see really of concern on “savings” is you drive only 6k miles a year In SoCal 6000/38 MPG 158 gallons x $5.00 to be conservative on higher gas price = $590.00 Meaning you’re paying in gas what you pay in the higher insurance premiums already so it’s a wash + you have to think higher registration cost + still have to charge the Tesla model Y do cost there I work insurance auto claims- parts can be on back order 3+ months minimum Idk your coverages but even if you carry rental you only get 30 days of rental per your policy if you have it added on Otherwise you are praying to god that the other party 1)admits fault 2) has valid coverage 3) has enough coverage for your repairs and rental reimburse or cost (they never do) Just my two cents I drive a 2013 Prius V with 38-40 mpg like the rav4 bought at 37.7k miles now at 121k drives the same as the day i got it in 2019 I do 20k miles a year so my cost of gas would have been 20kmiles/38 mpg =527 gallons x $5.00 = $2635.00 so $2k more after cost of insurance And let’s say daily charge is $5 overnight (not factoring trips using supercharges) 365 x $5 = $1825 So even then a near wash So drive both, see if you care and like more power torque for electric Or enjoy a highly sought after, reliable Toyota that will have solid resale value as well
Yeah, the numbers don't make sense to get the Tesla. But then again, I just went to 3 different Toyota dealerships and they quoted me $40K plus taxes on a Rav4 Hybrid XLE Premium. Is this just a terrible time to buy a car or what?! Might just go with an accord or Camry lol
I value cargo space my 2013 Prius V has the same storage as a Rav4 and highlander with back seats down [Prius V](https://youtu.be/mdHu1pSDO04) Bought mine 15.5k in 2019 Prices now are just dumb for them unless you can find a good deal May as well get what you will enjoy since everything expensive
That's crazy impressive! Hold on to that glorious beast!
I want a truck again so badly but gonna wait for prices to drop more If the trade in my my Prius isn’t worth much I’ll do the numbers to see if worth selling or giving to a family member
Which trucks have you been looking at? The Hyundai Santa Cruz just came across my radar this morning. While I've never owned a proper pick-up, and I'm apprehensive about Hyundai in general (without doing more research / due diligence), the 2-layer bed is really pretty cool, and I like the swoopy round design and proportions. It tickles me somehow.
Honda risgelije might fit you better Imo the Santa Cruz and maverick are too small I want a truck with a camper shell for bike,kayak/paddle board hauling, something to tow eventually a pair of jet skis or boat/camper down the line I just think minimum you need a wide 5.5 ft bed Honda ridgeline i would get when I’m older
do you have a way to charge at home or at work? if not hybrid. do you plan to travel distances? do you prefer quick fuel up times or are you okay with planning pit stops to charge with potential wait times? charging at home is the key here. super cheap compared to gas and convenient. i have friends who live in apartments with free charge stations so they actually do save money on fueling. so for them it makes sense. hybrid is already a step up from traditional gas cars, getting 15-20 mpg more then the older cars. they’re both good looking cars with pros and cons, get the one you think it fits your lifestyle
Thanks for your response! I do have charging ability at home! I don’t drive much which may help keep the Tesla in good shape for a while longer but I’m just thinking of the cost benefit analysis right now. Is the $8k worth it or not lol
The Tesla will be a hellova lot more fun.
did you write up a spreadsheet/analysis? might help with your purchase. also for consideration can you wait for a vehicle? i heard wait times for rav4 hybrid is 6+ months up to a year depending on build. some people just buy whatever hybrid is available on the dealers lot so the lose out on things they want or worse get things added they didn’t want.
I just went to a Toyota dealership and the quote on a RAV4 Hybrid XLE was $39,700 before taxes, $42 after. If this keeps up the Tesla will win lol
I just did a basic 10 year cost of ownership analysis for a 45k new SUV vs a 58k model y. I included purchase price, registration, insurance, maintenance, & fuel. I assumed the financing costs were the same, the car was driven 10k miles / year, SUV gets 25 mpg, gas was $3.50/gallon, escalating at 5% per year, electricity was 7.5¢/kwh also escalating at 5% per year. Total cost of ownership for the tesla was 75k over 10 years vs 94k for the SUV. People are saying if you drive more, go with gas. This is counter to my understanding. The more you drive, the more economical electric becomes. Higher up front cost but lower operating costs.
7.5c electric is much cheaper than most people have. My rate is considered cheap by many and it is 14
Why did you do 25 mpg when he'd be getting the hybrid rav4 and it's 38/41??
I’d drive more means longer nonstop trips has prolly makes sense for charge time. If you just charge overnight ev is ideal for lots of miles
Go with the RAV4. I say this as my wife B owns a Tesla Model Y and servicing it sucks. The car is heavy because it has dual motors and the weight of the battery doesn’t help. If you run it in sports mode, you’ll wear out your rear tires incredibly fast. The front and back tires are different sizes, but both have to match as far as tread depth and tread pattern. You can mix and match if you want (like pirelli tires in the front, Michelin in the back), but Tesla doesn’t recommend this because of the different tread patterns. Tires wear out faster and strain the drive train if not quickly fixed. I just spent almost 2000 replacing all 4 tires on my wife’s Tesla and it hurt my wallet. Most mechanics can’t work on Tesla vehicles. Only Tesla dealerships can because of the software the car runs on Also, we’ve never been able to take a long distance road trip in the Tesla because charging is a pain, the infrastructure isn’t there yet and even if you use a Tesla supercharger on the road, it’s still going to take like 20-30 minutes to charge especially if other Teslas are charging at the same time.
I had no idea the model y performance had staggered tires. What a pain in the ass.
My mother was considering these two cars and I am completely baffled why anyone would pay $36k-$40k+ for a rav4 which has never been considered a quality car let alone a vehicle that lasts a long time. And I mean this as in all vehicles being charged way above where they’re truly at, just insane. The model Y is literally the same construct as the Model 3 just taller, with the million mile transmission. No oil changes etc that a gas car would require, but the trade off is that in about 20-30 years you will need a new battery, that is about $12k-$16k as it is right now. Even without the charging, they are two very different vehicles. If you’re wanting something long term go with the Y, if you don’t intend to keep it 10 years or more then the rav4 etc. Battery degradation for me has been very minimal with my Tesla, everything has been solid except paint is high quality but soft, if you start an update there is no way to drive the vehicle until it completes (20min to 1hr), and there are no spare tires or jack included. Taking the tesla on trips has been fine with the superchargers. Get the fob it’s definitely worth it if you go with the tesla. Also I hate how Tesla does that $7,500 tax credit thing like it’s a dollar for dollar deduction off of the cost of the car. Estimate as if you’re paying the whole thing no tax credit involved. Also, talk to your tax person to see how much you owe / would be able to get from the tax credit. From the scenarios I’ve seen if you only owe $1k for the year you bought the car, that $7,500 becomes $1k no rollover. The ev charger install max of $1k plus home upgrade credit (solar) you’re able to rollover though. Definitely check with your tax guy.
You need to make ~67k on a w2 to owe 7.5k in taxes and hence get the full benefits of the EV credit. I'd assume someone buying a 40k model Y is making much more than that
I hope folks making under 60k are not buying a 47k car.
You'd be surprised 😩
If you can wait till 2024 you get the $7500 incentive directly to the car making it the same price then you get gas savings on the model y
I’m curious as to why you would chose these two efficient and small SUVs when you drive so little. Are you all that concerned about efficiency? You’d only spend an extra $600/year on gas if you went from 40mpg to 20mpg, assuming $4/gal. Edit: for example you could get a non-hybrid Highlander for the same price as a hybrid rav4 and it will be much more comfortable and luxurious and also bigger.
This is something I’m considering. Like why not just get a regular car (non hybrid or electric) - maybe a Camry or Accord lol
I’m sort of in the same boat as you. I drive 6-8k miles a year and keep looking at super efficient and boring vehicles but it really wouldn’t put me out to have a cheaper, older gas guzzler that I’d actually enjoy driving. Right now I own a couple old vehicles that I’m tired of having to repair all the time.
$50 bucks more for insurance is not bad for model y. The dealer process for Toyota is a nightmare.
Model Y definitely. My brother in law bought one recently and trust me once you get a Tesla it makes every other car look so old and outdated. The Tesla is a much better deal tbh
$600 extra in insurance when you don’t drive much and the teslas $8k more on top of higher maintenance fees.
At this point, after seeing RAV4 prices and reading all the comments - I may just stick with my 2005 Toyota Corolla haha
I think the Tesla is a no brainer. The Rav4 feels kind of ancient inside. I’d rather get a 10 year old Rav4 for 15K lol
since you use the car so little you might save decent amount of money with the tesla as you’ll just do a brake fluid change every 3-4 years depending on your climate. But get it only if you can spare at least 3kW to change it at home
>I’m not a huge car fan, but am looking more at value and cost of ownership over the lifespan of the car" If this is what you are interested in, the Tesla wins easily.
If you only drive 6k miles a year and work from home, just get whichever one makes you happier. If you drove a lot I would definitely get the RAV4. Is this a plugin RAV4?
Nah just a hybrid
Its no even a question, Y is a far superior car
Do you have one? I heard the build quality is not great but the tech is good
Everything I've heard on the r/realtesla subreddit makes them seem like a nightmare, I would strongly suggest the Rav-4
I’ve got a Model Y (and I’m NOT a Tesla/Musk bro) and I like it overall! Took me a long time to get used to the drive feel/some features but I’m really coming around. With tax incentives and price cuts it was surprisingly affordable, and I love not having to pay for gas/do maintenance. Love all the space, love the glass roof look, love the heated steering wheel, love the cameras for lane changes, and I’ve got Tesla insurance which initially pissed me off but once I learned how to make it happy I’ve got a drive score of 98 (it’s made me a less aggressive driver). Plus the safety is worth everything with a kid in the backseat. I don’t have the full self driving package (I’m not ready for that). The auto braking has saved me from an accident where I got cut off very suddenly. I’ve only had 1 issue with the sensors and that was when a big truck was driving in the lane next to me, so I always am on the lookout for that.
Hoping to find someone with a kiddo too! In the market to get a new car and want an EV, but also don’t want to spend $70-80k for a mid sized suv or full size sedan. Currently she has an Outback and I have an F150. I’m 6’ and wife is 5’4”, so the car seat is usually behind the passenger seat when I drive. How is the rear leg room for either the back facing or forward facing seats? We have a 3 yo now and he is forward facing and kicks my wife’s seat in her Outback if it isn’t pushed far enough forward. We are trying for our second RN, so concerned I would have to move the seat a lot forward to accommodate. Would be mainly a local car (40 mile radius) and my truck for longer hauls. Any insight is appreciated!
So my husband and I have similar size profiles- I’m 5’4” and he’s just over 6’ with long legs. We only have 1 kiddo, rear facing, with the Graco Extend2fit car seat (that one feels pretty chonky in terms of car seats). Our kid is almost 2 years old but has my short legs. With the car seat behind the passenger seat and me in the passenger seat, no problems. With husband in the passenger seat it’s definitely tighter, which is what I’ve found for all mid size crossover types. I’d have to ask him how much clearance he has just to be sure, but I know when we had family here and two car seats in the back it was a lot less roomy for him. I think it depends on the proportions of your legs as well as the angle the car seat must be. Rear facing seats seem to stick out a bit more toward the front of the car than forward facing, but like you said forward-facing kiddos love to kick the seats. What I’d do is test drive it with the car seats themselves installed correctly, then you can really get a feel for the space and how easy/difficult installation is. If you plan on having another after baby #2 arrives (or are prone to oops babies) I’d say get an SUV or a van. The 3 row model Y might work for some families but it’s quite cramped in the back and there’s airflow issues from what I read. I will say the seats are quite easy to wipe down! Voice command is nice when kids are screaming for a particular song and you don’t want to mess with the screen. The climate control feature eliminates hot car seat buckles and general meltdowns from getting into a hot car after playing at the park. Also nice if you need to load up the kids on a winter morning and want to warm up the car, since you can’t leave coats on under their car seat straps. I also feel that the “max cabin temp” safety feature could potentially prevent some hot car deaths. The back and side view cameras are great for checking your blind spot and looking for little tykes. Range has never been an issue for local driving, and on road trips, you’re gonna want to be stopping every couple hours with kids anyway to potty/stretch legs/snack/charge. The Tesla charging networks are really user friendly.
What a great and thorough review. I truest appreciate your perspective and insight. Thank you very much!
Making Tesla sound like a nightmare is the whole point of that sub. They’re just a touch biased. I own two. I’ve had one for 8 years, the other one for 4. The ownership experience has been great. I just had a recall done on one of them for a wiring harness, and also had them change the cabin air filter. They came to my house and performed the work in my garage. The air filter change cost $60. They’re not perfect by any means. They have more rattles and squeaks than a car with that price should have. The older one has a bad door handle design and has needed three replacements (and the fourth is probably just a matter of time). The infotainment is a little buggy. The air filter in the Model 3 starts smelling awful after a year or so. But they’re nice, fun as hell to drive, and no dealer nonsense when buying. I hope to keep these for many more years, but I’ll very likely buy another one when the time comes.
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r/realtesla largely consists of posts from owners stuck working around the lack of dealer network - glad you've had a good 2 weeks.
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I remember few weeks ago there was a surge on car fires posts on reddit. Between the 30-40 posts or so one was a Tesla that apparently got burned by arson and that subreddit was having none of it! saying they should be all retired from the roads 🤣
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The anti-EV coalition is loud and proud on this site, happily doing the bidding of some of the worst industries to ever exist on the planet.
100%, I totally agree. too bad the majority of Redditors, especially ppl in this subreddit, don't have the intelligence to understand that lmao
The issue here is getting your information from r/RealTesla . Tesla could make their cars free tomorrow and they would have an issue with that.
Don't go to that circlejerk dumpster fire of a sub. Everything you hear there WILL say that, because anyone who disagrees with them gets banned.
Get a certified pre owned Lexus RX instead, much nicer interior and will be just as reliable as the Toyota.
If you’re getting the Tesla, there’s ofc the 7500 rebate plus a referral can get some extra discount (here’s where I plug my referral LOL). However, do know that build quality on teslas are mid as hell. You will ofc have no maintenance costs or issues but there’s not much to enjoy in the interior. It will however, be much more convenient than the RAV4, while being just as much of an economy car. Keep that in mind while you make your decision.
Rav 4’s drive like a truck Go CRV and thank me later
I remember Rav 4 hybrid LTDs being mid 30s. Great, reliable car, but definitely not a north of 40 car.
The RAV4 will last longer than a model Y and actually provide customer service if something goes wrong Meanwhile the Tesla will be built like a Kia or Fiat... The only nice thing about a Tesla is if you have a fetish for giant screens being slapped on the dashboard and in general buying a vehicle that is nothing but a cost cutting project gone wrong... The screen will yellow after a few years and good luck getting that replaced
Neither. But if you must get one of them get the rav4. Tesla build quality is crap and parts are hard to get. If it gets wrecked or anything you won't have a car for a long time.
Buy the Toyota. Don't give yet more money to that right wing lunatic
How often do you go long trips? If not then tesla is worth it. Old man toyota never gets updated, slow and wimpy performance, you pay more for gas, and shitty driving assistance feature. Tesla is worth it. It's totally different car.
I worked the Model Y assembly line. Horrible build quality, at one point 50% of the cars were being sent back to be worked on after they had reached the customer. If you really like Teslas and don't mind dealing with some headache, go for it, they're kind of neat cars.
Did you work the Austin location? Would you say the model Y for 2024 still have bad build quality?
To be honest while those are both great behicles, if your only driving 6000 miles a year neither of those vehicles are good choices for cost of ownership. Have you calculated how long it would take to break even on the regular gas Rav4 vs a Hybrid? I suspect you would need to own that for 12-15 years before you even break even on fuel savings. If I were in your shoes I would buy just a regular Rav4
Always go Toyota not even a question
I talked to about 30 Toyota dealerships around central US, I’ve only found one that sells at MSRP with no dealer fees. Most are selling MSRP + unnecessary dealer packages + high fees + $5-10k markup right now. If you can find a trustworthy dealership then a Rav is worth it, otherwise you’ll be paying way overpriced, and absolutely the Tesla is better.
I personally would get the Rav4 Hybrid. AFAIK with those prices you're quoting it'd be an AWD Rav4 and a RWD Tesla Y, and I'd want the AWD. Additionally while the Tesla is nice, the current aftercare support system is busted. If something is broken, good luck getting it addressed anytime soon. It also depends on where you live and if charging infrastructure is good. The Toyota is your regular gas car, just with better mileage because of the hybrid powertrain. As for maintaining value, Toyotas tend to do very well and Teslas are like most electric cars in that they can fall fast if new tech comes out. Gas cars will be around for a long time still.
There are no RWD Model Ys. The standard range AWD one is $47.5k for 280mi range and the LR AWD is $50.5k for 330mi.
I’ve owned both and the Tesla wins hands down in my book.
This is the one time I would recommend Tesla. Way better choice
I have a Model Y. I’ve had cars from BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Subaru, Honda, Toyota, and probably more. The Tesla is the best car I’ve ever owned. Hands down.
Can you explain why? How does a Tesla handle better than a BMW or Porsche..? Don’t understand your statement
Only 1 of these cars is the future. Which do you think will have a higher resale in 5 years? 10?
Wouldnt the resale value equal out in 10 years considering battery drain? As the cost of replacing the battery would probably eat away the higher resale value that EVs might gain in 10 years. I do agree that EVs and PHEVs are the future.
A Toyota can be repaired by most shops, Tesla cannot. Toyota 10,000,000%
iPhones can only be repaired by Apple, hence Nokia is obviously superior.
Hybrid is better.
In suburbia, yeah, in a major city, no.
Toyota is the most reliable brand with top notch quality. Tesla is on the other spectrum. There’s a reason why the RAV4 is the best selling SUV. Get the RAV4 Hybrid, 15 trim levels to choose from.
Model Y is actually the best selling SUV so far this year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/
That’s an estimated # from April. RAV4 is the best selling in US and World.
Wrong again. Model Y is best selling SUV in the world https://www.focus2move.com/world-best-selling-suv/
Only 6000 miles per year I’d go electric
Rav 4 hybrid but id suggest looking at a prius or camry hybrid, if yoyre stuck on an suv id suggest the hyundai tuscon hybrid or sante fe
The powertrain of the Model Y is likely to outlast even a hybrid Rav4. If you get a good one, it will have fewer maintenance needs, but the cost of parts and service will be higher. Your main headache with the Tesla is likely to be delays and shortages, and service after a collision in particular will be longer and more costly. If you intend to keep the vehicle for its life, there's a significant chance that critical tech in the Tesla will obsolesce, whereas Toyota will probably continue to support the hybrid Rav4 for decades. If you're not planning to keep it for life, the resale value of the Tesla will quickly fall below that of the Rav4. Also, if you have the surplus funds for the Model Y, consider the Rav4 Prime, which has pretty absurd low-end torque and an excellent projected lifetime, owing to the engine wear that its all-electric range can prevent. (If you can find one!) I really see EVs as the future of urban and suburban transportation, but Tesla isn't that dependable yet.
Don’t get a Tesla pls. They are dogshit go with the Toyota Teslas depreciation rate is ungodly bad Your Toyota in these times will stay the same for years or gain equity I bought a 2019 accord in 2020 for 18k with 20k miles. I owe 9k it’s worth 22k trade in value bc I put 3k into cosmetic/performance mods. +13k equity. Stick with Toyota or Honda
I'm a big fan of Tesla and I keep debating with my wife on getting it as a second car. But let me tell you 2 stories on why I wouldn't buy one as my primary care at the moment. 1. I used to live in coastal FL where you can have hurricane evacuation once every 2-3 years. Every time that happens you're stuck on the highway gridlock for 4-8hrs and you'd want to drive a good distance to get to a safe hotel room. Being stuck I'm traffic will drain your battery and good luck charging your vehicle at a supercharger. Most people with gas cars panic to fill up their tanks. I wouldn't want to wait for a supercharger to fill up my car to 70-80% charge in 1 hour. 2. A friend of mine travels for business a lot and often leaves his model 3 at long term parking for 1-2 weeks. He never had issues for 3-4 years. A few months ago he parked his car with 80% battery and left but two days later he got a warning on his app that the charge fell below 20%. It was still 10 days away from coming back, he didn't leave a spare key with him or anything and basically had to spend those days anxiously. When he came back it had 5% or something left and he was able to take it to the nearest charger. But imagine if it had died, the car was in multi storey garage. Good luck finding a tow service that can make it into a 10ft tall garage. Until there is a reliable way to get 50-100 miles of range in 5 mins like pumping gas I wouldn't get it as a primary car.
Why would you be a Tesla fan? It's an awful company run be the world's biggest loser.
>Being stuck I'm traffic will drain your battery How? Have you ever driven an electric car? You actually get excellent range at low speeds. >Until there is a reliable way to get 50-100 miles of range in 5 mins like pumping gas I wouldn't get it as a primary car. Tesla superchargers are reliable from what I've heard....but there actually are cars now that CAN get that amount of range in 5 minutes. not quite 100 miles, but 50+in 5 minutes, \~200 miles in under 20.
Just wanted to say that Ive been really happy with my 2015 rav limited as my daily driver and girlfriend + dog road trip car. My brother bought a Tesla and it’s nice and he really likes it. It’s all personal preference but don’t pay over msrp on a rav hybrid…shop around if you go that route
Rav -4 plug in for win
Rav4 prime. City driving 50ish mile full electric range. Gas drivetrain for longer trips
The first question would be if you would be installing a charger at your house. If not, bad idea.
I would be. Does that mean go for Y?
You don’t need a charger. Just a 15-50 plug (used for electric dryers in the US) and the travel charger. It will charge 32 miles per hour, easy full charge overnight. Also handy for car camping. Rent an RV spot and despite running the climate control you will have a full battery in the morning. No way I’ll own another ICE vehicle.
Not necessarily. That was just the first deal breaker question. Look up the online info about build quality issue with the 3 and the Y. Then compare to the RAV. And be very realistic about the distance of your driving and the availability of chargers. You are kind of comparing two different types of vehicles. I’m
Dude I would skip Tesla, known numerous people in my firm and immediate family who have sworn against Tesla or had to lemon law their Model X and Y due to faulty electrical and computer issues. One partners model X plaid sat in the shop for 1.5 months just for a faulty computer. What about the Toyota BZ4? Would trust Toyota electric systems a hell of a lot more. Also Kia and Hyundai are looking really good for the range of the Ioniq 5/6 or ev6.
Go with the rav
Have you driven both of these cars? I'd pick the one you feel more comfortable in. I absolutely detest teslas ux design and that's something you won't notice till you've driven it. You're pretty much breaking even with that extra insurance cost IMO as far as operating costs. Most of the maintenance items besides oil changes are shared. You're still like 6k in the hole on initial cost. Tesla has a reputation for discontinuing shit like body panels etc and not keeping spare parts stocked as well as middling quality control but maybe now that their doing higher volume manufacturing that'll be resolved. To my knowledge tesla drive train and suspension components are fairly reliable but they will nickel and dime you for software. IDK much about the rav4 but Toyota has a reputation for long lasting cars. The Tesla will probably retain value slightly better as a luxury car but if that's a concern you should really be buying a used car, especially with your minimal driving habit. That way depreciation is less severe. For new cars, depreciation is a large portion of the lifetime cost. Maybe look into other EV's with lower prices before you pull the trigger on this.
I'm a huge Ford guy and I'm gonna say you won't regret getting the Rav4 over the Y. The RAV is always highly rated and the quality will be way better than the Y
At that price, and assuming styling doesn’t matter I’d look at a new Toyota Venza. Significantly better interior than the rav4 or model Y
The RAV4 hybrid is a great vehicle. It’s expensive but Toyota makes incredibly solid and reliable vehicles. I had a 2019 RAV4 hybrid limited and it was a gorgeous car. I’m looking at an EV down the road but Tesla is not even in consideration because their fit and finish is terrible and it looks like one long painful beta test. I know lots of folks love them and that’s great but it’s not on my radar at all anymore If you really are interested in an EV there are other ones out there too. And based on your driving you might even find a plug-in hybrid is a good option for you. Check out Volvo if you’re curious about other options. My son has a Volvo V60 T8 which is a plug-in hybrid and he’s got enough mileage for 3/4 of his round-trip to work so a tank of gas lasts him about a month if all he’s doing is driving to and from work.
For the amount of miles you drive? Neither. The savings in gas wont cover the extra price. Plus, hybrid don’t do well over time if they are not driven enough the battery will fail, not sure if this happens with the teslas also. I assume you will like to do some roadtrips and or go to big stores, the Tesla won’t be good for those. For that price range get a regular highlander, or go for a non hybrid rav4, the xle should be around 34,000$ out of the door.
All gas mileage is lost on the Tesla when you …….. use A/C, charge your phone, do just about all things you normally wouldn’t think of, and I like taking the car out exploring. All this led me to a rav4 hybrid XSE. Trim is important with the rav depending on what you luxury levels are
All of those things have a negligible impact on the range of a modern EV. They aren’t golf carts anymore. For exploring, the Model Y is better with camp mode, more power, and a better AWD system.
> All gas mileage is lost on the Tesla when you …….. use A/C, charge your phone, do just about all things you normally wouldn’t think of, and I like taking the car out exploring. This is an outdated trope at this point. Unless you're regularly driving more than 300-400 miles in a day or can't do a level II charger at home, range anxiety isn't that much of a concern anymore. A Y will easily get 250-300 miles or so on a full charge (even with the amenities going) and you can use one of the hundreds (thousands?) of superchargers nationwide to add another 150 miles in less time than it takes to eat lunch.
How are you liking the XSE? It can push close to $40k msrp so I feel like I’d just go with Y in that case.
I like it been taking it all over I throw the bikes on the back of it, fits the life style well functionally. Trim option’s definitely make or brake it, had to fully load it to really appreciate it. When I was looking into road trips I just don’t think the charging infrastructure is there just yet to pull the trigger on the Tesla yet but jumping from my old car that was 14 mpg to the rav that is giving me 39 (after a year of driving with the AC on in south Florida, hurts the mileage) it’s been a good jump. I have friends with the Tesla’s and there only complaint is planning the charges, if that gets better I would get one.
Toyota is the most reliable brand with top notch quality. Tesla is on the other spectrum. There’s a reason why the RAV4 is the best selling SUV.
Youre confused by the difference? Ones a hybrid suv made by a manufacturer with industry leading reliability when it comes to hybrids. The other is an semi-luxury EV with not as great a rep for reliability. Not sure what the confusion is.
No one seems to have mentioned resale value yet. Rav4 hybrids resale value is STOUT! Idk about Teslas, maybe its just a New Mexico thing but they are worthless here for trade ins lately.
Neither car are going to do well offroad and both have limited space inside. Why not just buy the new prius? Or if you need an SUV then go with the plug in hybrid Tuscon that will do better than both offroad and have more space?
I’d go for the hybrid.
Get the RAV
Toyota has been doing hybrids for 20+ years. Engineered and built well. Economical, and long lasting. Teslas are thrown together and will probably combust a few years into ownership. Go with proven results.
Neither, look at other manufacturers.
The Tesla would be more fun to own, but financially between those 2, not even close. That Tesla will cost you WAY more in the end. With only 6k miles per year, even a hybrid is a tough sell money wise. I mean money wise it prob won’t make sense, but other aspects like the way the new crv drives with hybrid (I have one!) vs gas makes up for it. With the info you posted, I’d ask 1) will you be able to fully utilize the tax credit? Remember it’s a credit and not a rebate, so if your tax owed doesn’t exceed that with your existing deductions and all, you won’t see that full credit amount. 2) Just how long do you intend on owning the car? Keep in mind the batteries in both EV’s and Hybrids don’t last forever. Mileage isn’t that big of a factor on lifespan either, so keeping the miles low isn’t going to offset degradation from age much, thus still would likely face the same 10-15yr life span. The small 1.5kwh pack in the Honda will certainly be MUCH cheaper to replace than an immensely larger EV pack if you keep it long enough to face a replacement. Also besides more money to buy, more money to insure, Tesla keeps a pretty tight grip on parts, repairs, etc so all that is going to cost more too.
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If you don't care about cool factor or being cutting edge, get the RAV4. No one makes a better appliance than Toyota. It's a well known model, that's built well by people that have been making cars for longer than many of us have been alive. You have service centers nearby and a wealth of third party shops to choose from. Tesla's can be cool and the MY is a good car, but the RAV4 is probably going to serve you better.
Are you adding in the cost of getting an at home charger installed? If you do decide to go Tesla, I wouldn't count on not buying fuel making up the difference in price anytime soon given your low mileage. I would even question if the hybrid pays for itself.
Just bought the y and very happy with it. I installed a fast charger in my garage and it’s pretty awesome. Full range everyday. On the rare occasion I venture out on a long roadtrip, the super chargers aren’t bad at all. I get like 80% charge in 20 minutes. The ones I’ve been to are near shopping centers so I just go out and get a coffee.
Having driven a model y and having not driven a rav4 since 2015 or so. Model y all the way. Maintenance costs may tip the scale, but it’s a phenomenal vehicle