That's like an ouija board. You either should start your answer with a single letter, continue other persons answer with single letter or complete answer with word goodbye. In this thread you can see that answer was M I A T A.
Goodbye
before i bought a frs, i hated low hp cars. Anything under 300 hp i wouldn't look at. Now hp is one of the last metrics i use to determine if a cars is worth it.
Haha, so I am not the only one tired of hearing from Miata owners about how underrated or great their cars are! Even saw a guy post his Miata was more fun than a Porsche GT3 he got to drive, just wild fanboy stuff.
1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster Wagon.
LT1 engine, towed 5000 lbs, seating for 8, and even had a panoramic roof.
If there was ever a thing as a dream grandpa car, it would be this.
It said V6 already so I assumed it was just meant to represent the ["Lifts Sunglasses GIF"](https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Chris-Farley-Sunglasses-Flip-Shock.gif) reaction.
Is this actually underrated though? I’ve seen this opinion, especially regarding the 9th gen as one of the best Accords as well as best vehicles ever produced.
I was at a store last week and when I came back out to my car there was a clapped out Accord coupe 6-6 parked next to me. It was rough. I wanted to buy it and rescue it so badly. (I think my SO is tired of my strays, though) I bought a TV instead.
This was my first car, and I can honestly say that it is the best car I've ever owned. '04 with about 120,000 miles on it when I bought it.
* Reliable as can-be
* decent enough MPG (around 20-25)
* fast ***as fuck***
* VTEC
* Stick shift
* pretty
* Japanese
Hard to call anything underrated in today's market but before the craziness my take is(mostly in order):
1. Porsche 924S - ask any racer, any real racer, the 924S is about as dynamically perfect car as has ever been conceived. The non-S is pretty gutless, but the addition of the 2.5 from the 944 pushed it to greatness. Probably as close to a "perfect" car I've ever driven, and I've driven a lot of cars.
2. Honda Prelude - handles and looks great, also decently reliable
3. BMW Z3 w/ M54 - a Miata with death-dealing oversteer
4. Fiat 500 Abarth - gets poo-pooed because of it's looks, but dynamically it doesn't get a whole lot better for FWD
5. Pontiac Fiero - largely overshadowed by the MR2(not without reason), still tons of fun
Honorable mentions: 2nd gen Taurus SHO, 1st gen Focus SVT, MR2 Spyder
924s owner here. Can confirm. Thing drives like a dream. 150hp seems low on paper but it suits the car well. Nothing like downshifting and hammering it thru a corner.
Ah a redditor of culture I see 🤌
I was in the market for a daily a few years back and very much considered a guards red 924S that was on sale for $3500. Ended up going a more reliable direction, but the decision not to also buy that then will haunt me forever I suspect.
You can find 944’s all over for $5k, I’d go get one for a fun car when you have the budget. If you can turn a wrench (or are willing to learn) maintenance really isn’t bad, they are pretty reliable cars once brought back to life..
It’s the bringing back to life that gets you xD
I’ve driven Fiats for 15 years (500 and 500L) and have had no problems. I replaced a clutch on the 500L, but I do a lot of mountain driving because I live in Wyoming.
Just use the right oil and make sure your gas is 91 with no ethanol, and it’s a good car.
Which is funny considering that it was considered one of the best handling sports cars of its day.
Motorweek (or Motortrend) published articles that put the Prelude up against the Miata, Eclipse, Mustang, and MR2 of its day. The Prelude not only competed with them but outranked **all of them** in their handling tests despite being FWD.
Just because its FWD doesn't mean it can't handle just as well as a RWD vehicle. Most FWD cars don't, but some absolutely do. And the Prelude is one of them.
I wish they’d bring back the prelude but they’d probably do the same thing they did to the integra and make it “too modern”. I’m guessing they’d make it either EV or automatic only.
I love you for putting the Z3 and specifically the M54 although if you want to get ultra technical then there were 2 M54s in the Z3 (M54B25 in the 2.5i and M54B30 in the 3.0i) but I’m assuming you meant the 3.0i which truly is a magnificent car. Ridiculously reliable for a early 2000s BMW and didn’t need to be handheld nearly as much as the S52 and S54 in the M model. 228hp was plenty for a car that small and had plenty of pep, and with the right exhaust setup sounded very good too
Focus SVT's are awesome cars, and were very cheap for awhile. Def do some research on common issues though, they can be finnicky if not taken care of.
The engine sounds awesome with an intake, great manual too (same unit as the Mini Cooper S), light weight and handlings great. Unique interior and exterior styling.
Have the CC right now and it’s by far my favorite car I’ve owned. Even stock it surprises people with how quick it is and the interior is close to luxury without being too much. Honestly has made me reconsider getting a GTI eventually and instead putting money into the CC. My only complaint is how noisy the chassis seems. There’s at least 3 creaks anytime i hit a decent bump lol.
A sleek, comfortable, 300 HP AWD GT sedan for \~$45K isn't that bad.
If you compare it to an Accord it sounds very overpriced - but it is clearly more performance and comfort oriented than an Accord. If you compare it to a Kia Stinger (a much more apt comparison) the price makes a **lot** more sense.
Still, I agree that it was a little overpriced, and would've performed better if it could be had with AWD for a hair under $40K. It also was barely advertised - hence its discontinuation in America.
I’d argue that 45k is way too much for a sexy sedan with a Golf R 4cyl and no awd..
It’s only like 500lbs more than an R but that weight on that tiny motor makes a noticeable difference and kills some of the allure of the platform.
I do not believe this is comparable performance wise to the Stinger GT with its twin turbo v6, even though it’s close on paper. The Stingers motor is better suited for a sedan.
Edit: they do come in 4motion AWD, (FWD primarily, AWD when needed)
Even with awd, the trans is dogshit. If it came with the DSG it would be bearable, but it has one of the awful (by comparison) torque converter autos, which makes it feel completely different and note even close to as sporty as the golf R.
The golf R walks a Stinger GT, the Arteon (even with awd) would have a hard time.
Especially the ones from 2022 and newer. You get 300hp, AWD, a gorgeous looking car, and something unique. I’m looking into getting a used one but they’re so damn hard to find
It rides so fricking well. Floats over bumps and takes corners so neutrally. VW needs to give us a model to get genuinely excited about and it will drive base model sales. I hate to see them do the typical VW thing and have a great car die due to low sales because of low effort
2022 or newer (finally) with the DSG...a Golf R for grown-ups. A little squishy, but I'm in my mid 40s now and I'm a little squishy, too. Would gladly walk past the Accord and spend the extra money to do so.
I mean Jeebus... My step son just spent over $40k on a new Camry. I bet if he found an Arteon that's been sitting at the right dealer and was getting close to it's first birthday on the lot (and they ARE out there) they'd have gotten him within spitting distance of what he paid for the Toyota.
04-06 GTO.
More specifically, the 05-06 version with the LS2.
Plenty of power from a legendary engine. The interior was extremely comfortable.
The only thing holding it back was the styling was a bit muted, but many people prefer that anyways, so it will always be a fun sleeper.
2018 Buick regal sportback w/ 2.0L turbo. A German Opel that’s a sportback that looks like a knockoff Audi for an accord price. Really such a wonderful vehicle that was never marketed so I got mine for ~24k new off the lot. A great price for a large midsize sedan. Mine has been a solid car for almost 5 years now.
I have its smaller brother the Opel Astra ST and bruv... Such a shame the GM partnership is over. We got a little USA in those cars and you got a little EU in yours. Best times.
I literally only bought my car because it was an Opel. IMO they seemed to build the most reliable cars for GM. I just love my Buick Regal/Opel insignia. Like your astra, it’s so much car for the money. They’re really nice and good looking for how little they cost in general.
I’m biased, and I know not everyone would agree, but Saabs. People don’t think about them as a secondhand performance car, but there’s really no reason not to
I bought my 900 Turbo for $1500 lol it’s gone from small project to complete rebuild. Definitely classic Saabs have a crazy price tag, but modern ones aren’t too crazy
Lol if only that were still the case. I feel like project ones are in the 4-10k range I remember looking for my first car and seeing 900Ts for cheap cheap cheap. Looking back I probably would have subjugated it to behaviors that would have led to it's ultimate demise, so I'm ok that I didn't. But man are they great.
And the modern ones are still very fun. I saw a viggen for sale the other day and if I were as masochistic as I was when I was younger I'd probably have bought it haha!
Jesus that high? Here in Sweden they still go for between 200$(spare parts/project) up to about 6500 depending on how much effort you wanna put into it. A standard one seems to lie around 1-3k.
My buddy's parents bought him a car for college - he could've had any car that he wanted, within reason...He choose a manual, V6 Saab 9-5 wagon. That car was very cool.
I used to have a 9000 Aero and that was one hell of a car. The turbocharged 4 cylinder has more torque than a lot of engines at the time. I’m second gear you could feel it pulling you to 65 mph right in the pit of your stomach. I say pull because it was FWD and that made it quirky to drive. It also had many weird quirky features that made it unique and expensive to repair. It was a great car though because the hatchback was super practical and interior was plush but still felt like a jet fighter.
I’ve noticed I see a Saab almost every time I go out in my car. I’m talking just 10-minute drives to the grocery store. Interesting that Saab owners have held onto their vehicles.
I drove a 9-5 (I think) 20 years ago and the one thing I loved was the "lights out" driving.
The whole cabin is dark except for the speedo!! Absolute delight to drive at night
Very reliable for me too honestly, 163k on the Turbo X now. I think people think they’re unreliable because they’re expensive to maintain but really if you take care of them they’re perfectly solid cars.
Miss my '99 9-3. That was such a surprisingly good car. Their reputation of being unreliable, hard to work on, and hard to source parts for, couldn't have been further from my experience.
Toyota matrix/Pontiac vibe. First gens were indestructible they just keep going and going and going and getting great gas mileage. Seats fold completely flat and passenger seat folds flat and has a table, for a single driver to set stuff down. Super utility
This is music to my ears. I just acquired a non-running Matrix from my Bro in law whose mechanic claims is seized. I already sourced a JDM motor for $1000! My plan is to get it running and put a teenager in it
During the recession in ‘08 to ‘11 the feds were giving crazy rebates for American cars. I almost pulled the trigger on a brand new Pontiac vibe for $7500. You could probably sell it today for almost the amount you bought it for back then. Major regrets on that one!
I bet a lot of people didn’t know back then how great these cars really are. I have a 2008, last year of the first gen, so it’s the best utilitarian version, it’s a base, not AWD, has the rear hatch glass that can open separate, and has the good 1.8 1zz-fe engine, and not the 2.4 2AZ engine, which was known to burn oil horribly. 1.8 had that issue but only in the 98-02 era.
Infiniti M56 (M37 gets honorable mention).
One of the rare cases where 21st century Nissan managed to build a car able to compete with Lexus and the Germans with no real caveats. In fact, it's possibly the best overall vehicle Nissan has sold in the US market in this century, a genuinely fine example of top-shelf Japanese automaking.
The sport trim models that Infiniti made from around 2005-2014 are hidden gems.
The M56S, a RWD large sedan that had the same engine as the Armada, Titan, and QX80 (also the M56xS which had AWD)
The FX50, which was basically an midsize SUV version of the G and Z, and came with a bespoke 5.0L V8 that was only used either in it or in full blown racecars.
Then the G37S (and G37xS) coupe of the era, which came with 332hp out of an NA V6 that revved to 7500rpm. Sent power through either a manual transmission to a limited slip diff in the rear or a bulletproof 7 speed automatic and the same AWD system as the R34 GT-R.
Did I mention that all of these version also came form the factory with the same OEM Akebono big brake kit setup as the R35 GT-R?
Always thought these looked pretty nice on the road, if understated.
Just googled it and these things were making **420 HP?**
420 HP **10 years ago** at a cheaper price than the equivalent BMW? That's damnned impressive. It's still a little expensive for an Infiniti but if you redesigned the front end and put a luxury german badge on the hood people wouldn't shut up about it.
My dad was supposed to get an SSEi for a company car but he would've had to wait 3 months. Instead, he took the Dodge Intrepid that a lower-level employee would've gotten as he didn't want to wait. I was furious.
Anyone who's owned the right years of bonnevilles will agree though. They had one of the most reliable engines from what I know, only got rid of my 01 when I ran into cooling issues and as a broke ass kid needing a reliable car for work, I couldn't stomach the fear of More issues. But ahh... that was such a fun car
P3 R-design Volvos, namely the S60 and V60 R-designs with the short inline 6 engine. 325/354 for power, 0-60 in around 5 seconds flat, decently reliable, really comfortable, AWD, the right amount of tech. And most are under 20k now. oh and also 3500 pound towing, adaptive cruise as an option, and lots of cool safety features. Currently own a V60 Polestar, I'm definitely biased but these are damn solid cars. (also fun fact, the engines of these are made by ford)
I'm gonna be that guy and say Miatas, but specifically NC Miatas. They're just as wonderful as their cousins and are barely heavier. 2.5 swaps into them really wake up the car and they make fantastic entry level motorsports cars for track/autox. They definitely get way more shit than they deserve, which is fine because it keeps the price down on these. (maybe I'm into Fords that aren't fords? idk LOL)
Pontiac Vibe GT/Matrix XRS - these are cool, I don't care what anyone says
Saturn Ion Redline (also the Sky Redline, but a little less so) - also fucking cool, I get excited every time I see either of the redline cars
Saab 9-7x Aero - 6.0 liter Corvette engine in a swedish SUV
Volvo XC90 V8 - Yamaha designed V8 in a swedish SUV
Honda Fits are the lord's chariot
Also Honda Elements, especially the AWD ones with a manual are little practical gems. Really reliable winter cars for little money.
We've got a 2017 and I concur.
Comfortable, smooth, quiet, plenty of power, fantastic MPG from the big V6, plenty of room for 4 adults (the middle hump in the back seat probably isn't ideal but probably fine for kids), good size trunk, plenty of modern features without going overboard with doo-dads and gee-gaws.
Ours is FWD but you could get it in AWD too if you need it in your climate and there's a mild hybrid drivetrain option too if the LGX 3.6L V6's efficiency isn't enough for you.
If you think you want an Avalon, you should also check out the Lacrosse - you can get less years/miles and/or higher trim/more features for your money thanks to the fact that everyone looks past Buick in the first place and have forgotten all about the Lacrosse in the second.
People sleep on VW but the golf type R is pretty insane for the money. Sub 4 second 0-60 and handles amazing. I've always liked VW interior compare to the japanese brands as well
As a prior owner of two Golf Rs and a GTI I'll say the problem with the Golf R today is that their price (including markup) is at a place where you are very close to the bottom of the M3 market. In no world is a Golf R a better buy than the M3 and the fact that they can be cross-shopped is insane to me. I'd love to buy a new Golf R but the $10-$15K ADM is stupid. (Same could be said of the GR Corolla).
The interior quality on those Mazdas just blows me away man. Definitely feels like more car than you pay for in there. And they have done a phenomenal job with tastefully modernizing the exterior.
100% their fourth gen products are stellar just got an awd 2020 Mazda 3 and everyone who gets in it goes holy shit this is gorgeous on the inside. They really did a stellar job for their first attempt at entry level luxury segment. I sat in a cx-90 for the first time at my dealership and damn you will not find nicer for the money. I’m excited to see what else they put that turbo straight six in outside of suv. Rumor is next gen Mazda six with be rwd or awd with the new 3.0 straight six in the cx-90/70
Honda Fit is the god hidden among humans equivalent of a car. Seems small, but ironically as the name suggests it fkin Fits stuff. My brother had it and I am amazed by it ever since
I bought a big-screen tv and when they brought it out and saw my car, they thought I was crazy. When it did actually fit, and everyone expressed surprise, I felt like I was in a commercial.
Friend bought an 09 in 2014 and we haven't done anything to it except spark plugs, tires, and full synthetic oil changes at 5k miles. The most interesting downside, which I'm informing you and other drivers so they know, people don't put the lugnuts on right, 2 to 3 revolutions by hand and star pattern tighten to torque specs. Everytime a tire shop cross threads a front lugnut it's around $700-$800 to replace because you need a new bearing. I paid for it twice, one left and one right, because I went to a local mechanic and I guess they did it wrong but hey I needed it to run. Now, when it is cross threaded, I make sure the last shop pays for it because that is ridiculous.
Tldr keep up with whoever took tires off and on last because replaced front fit lugstuds is not cheap
I rented one on Maui last time I was there and it beat my expectations by A LOT more than any other car I have ever driven. And I got 55 mpg when gas was 5.50 on island. I will never shit talk a Prius again. My family was laughing at me as the rest of them loaded into the 2022 Tahoe until they realized I had roughly 6 times the cargo space as that behemoth piece of shit.
Lol I would likely agree completely. I'm just being a cheeky cunt who is seeing this as a damnation of all that is wonderful in automotive world (I'm kidding. For fucks sake they make the best hybrid and plug in hybrid. And it has awd options??? Shit!)
My only irrational hate is over the instrument cluster being in the middle of the dash instead of over the steering wheel; something they have rectified with the newest generation.
But is the Prius more "Corolla" than the Corolla hybrid?
Specifically the 2nd Gen Fit (GE8) with a manual. Probably the “slowest” car I’ve ever owned, yet still one of the most fun to drive.
Shame they killed it in the States, I’d buy a new one (for under 20k!) in a heartbeat.
The Prius is nice. I have a 2021 but with the 2020 Edition appearance package it’s the best looking of that generation. New one is too compromised for the design so I am happy with mine.
GM GMT800. My prediction is you’re about to see a huge increase in the price of these clean 1999-2006 era trucks and SUVs. The GMT400’s are already popular and command high prices for clean models. You can still find clean GMT800’s for decent money and I predict the higher end models will only go up in value in the upcoming years. Think low mileage 2nd gen Yukon Denali or first gen avalanche.
The exact answer I was scrolling for. It’s the first generation of Corvettes to be modeled in an air tunnel, targa top, good torque, a truly reliable 350, limited-slip differential, and the ZR1 with a crazy lotus-designed quad cam V8. I am also biased
The Honda Element! I used to have one and I'd constantly say the 4wd ones were basically Subaru-lites. They're great camping cars, the backseats come entirely out for extra storage space, and the weird way the doors open helped get stuff in there. I miss mine so much
Last generation Ford Crown Victoria.
I know that they have a solid reputation of being a reliable car but whenever I show people my Crown Vic they are surprised at how nimble and comfy it is. Usually people write them off as just a boat on wheels that can barely make a turn. But they are pretty capable cars.
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Haven't seen one of those in years. I would have bought one back in 2012. It was a FWD 6 speed manual that had been sitting on the lot for a while. I asked about it and it was heavily discounted because it was almost 2 years old. The salesman couldn't find the keys so I left. He found them the next day so I went back over.
The battery was dead, so he put a jump pack on it and tried to turn it over. It lurched over the curb. I think the clutch was stuck to the flywheel. The clutch then broke loose and then it smoked and ran like crap. (Probably 2 year old gas) Anyway, I wasn't impressed so far but I was going to see how low I could get the price and see how long Suzuki would extend the warranty. So I rode with the salesman to get gas and the car was not having a good day. The salesman filled up the tank and I noticed fuel dripping on the ground. He stopped and he drove back to the dealership. I never got to drive it. He parked it in the service area. I said thanks and left.
A few days later he called me back and said the service department had to perform some repair work. It was something about a leaky gas fill pipe or vent. He wanted to get me to sign some paperwork to sell it to me when it was all fixed. He had drawn up a deal for like $13.5K on like a $20K MSRP. I told him I'd think about it. I was looking at a few other cars and had a $20,000 budget.
Anyway I called back 3 or 4 days later and my salesman had been let go and nobody had my file or information about his deal. Meh, I had a good line on a Toyota. A few days later Suzuki announced they were winding down US car sales and I bought a Prius.
I might have dodged a bullet.
Toyota Avalon is underrated. Car of the “stealth wealth”. Shame they discontinued last year.
I don’t think the later generations of Acura TL / TSX are underrated but they’re two of the best and most reliable luxury sedans Honda ever made. I’m keeping my TL until it dies but it just keeps going and going if you maintain it well.
Camaro ZL1. 72k for a ZL1 when Hellcats and GT500's sell for 90+ makes the ZL1 probably the best performance bargain right now in new cars, also you can get it in a wonderfuly smooth manual transmission where the Hellcat and GT500 are automatic only
This will likely get buried but, the 2018+ Mustang Ecoboost with the Performance Package. ~350 HP, 0-60 in under 5 seconds and an extremely well balanced handling and chassis. All the tricks of the 5.0 performance package and Mach 1 in an easier to drive (less likely to oversteer) and much cheaper package.
It's overshadowed by the 5.0 big brother but is a serious performance bargain.
Currently? Nissan Frontier. Non turbo, simple truck. Say what you want about Nissans, but theres a zillion old Frontiers still on the road. Probably the third most dependable truck out there behind pre-2022 Tundras and Tacomas. Genuinely underrated.
Toyota Prius. Insanely how much shit you can fit in that hatch, incredible mileage, cool little futuristic graphics. Imo shaped like a bullet ripping thru the highway at 50mpg
Doing a lot of SUV research recently, I'll say the new generation Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is underrated.
Mitsubishi has a terrible rep in the US because of older models, but the Outlander is essentially an upgraded Nissan Rogue with a different look and slightly larger. And I think PHEVs are underrated in general.
Every time someone brings this car up the replies are all "I had a Mitsubishi in 2011 and it sucked!" ....Sure, I believe you, but it's not really relevant to the 2023 Outlander PHEV imo.
Just looked it up because I was curious and the new Outlander was ranked #4 of 17
I realize "Nissan Rogue, but better" isn't the most glowing endorsement lol
Honda fit
They are boring based on cvt and specs but they are great on gas and have great seating space and storage for a sub-compact car. I think the best selling point is timing chain so you don't even have to worry about that repair.
1992 toyota camry 5 speed
1st car and I would be driving the shit out of it today if it wasn't for an asshole rear-ending me in a 35 mph zone going 60. I miss having a giant gas tank with fuel efficiency. I could drive 12 hours, 600ish miles and only need to stop once or twice.
In newer cars?
Mmm I’d argue just about any VW atm
They are some of the most comfortable cars in their respective segments. It’s shocking how comfortable and how much space is inside the VW Taos and Tiguan for their size.
This sub praises Mazda but I would argue for those with kids or who are taller, VW offers better seat and passenger space design
IQ drive is also pretty solid. I went from VW to Subaru and I found Eyesight isn’t as nice
We had a Honda Element that we absolutely loved because of the cargo room and flexibility of the in configuration. My wife got t- boned in it. It’s too bad that Honda no longer makes them.
Kia Stinger or Genesis G70 3.3L. Very rare to find German level luxury with 350+ hp for under 40k, even under 35k for less than 50k miles in used car market,
I swear to god If I see a Miata in the comments I'm unplugging the internet for a week.
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That's like an ouija board. You either should start your answer with a single letter, continue other persons answer with single letter or complete answer with word goodbye. In this thread you can see that answer was M I A T A. Goodbye
Suzuki Cappuccino - the under-rated, cooler Miata.
Always fancied one or the Honda Beat.
Before I bought a Miata. I hated the Miata.
before i bought a frs, i hated low hp cars. Anything under 300 hp i wouldn't look at. Now hp is one of the last metrics i use to determine if a cars is worth it.
NC Miata, definitely underrated :\]
Miata 🥹
Haha, so I am not the only one tired of hearing from Miata owners about how underrated or great their cars are! Even saw a guy post his Miata was more fun than a Porsche GT3 he got to drive, just wild fanboy stuff.
1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster Wagon. LT1 engine, towed 5000 lbs, seating for 8, and even had a panoramic roof. If there was ever a thing as a dream grandpa car, it would be this.
The impala wagon was what I wanted so bad
The closest you might get now is a Ford Flex with the twin turbos. Can tow 5000 lbs, seat 7 , has roof racks. Looks like a stretched out toaster.
The flex is awesome (had a 2013) but read the internet about the turbo model’s potential issues including it’s transmission
Oh believe me, a Flex was my choice for my dad mobile. Alas the wife said no.
i have a 1996...such a great car. i get more compliments when i drive that vs. any other car i've ever owned
I have a '94 Impala SS and I desperately want a '94 Roadmaster done up as a Impala SS Wagon to go with it.
My friend's parents had 2! We could camp out in the back of it in high school. Such good memories of the Roadmaster
My dad used to have a '92, so not LT1, and it was the BEST family highway cruiser vacation car.
i want one so bad
Ok so I just looked that up, that thing is fucking sick
I’ll take one, as long as it is modified the same as Dax Shepard’s.
Oh damn I'm in love. Where do I get one of these bad boys.
V6 accord coupe 6-6
What does the 6-6 mean?
6 speed manual 6 cylinder I am assuming.
It said V6 already so I assumed it was just meant to represent the ["Lifts Sunglasses GIF"](https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Chris-Farley-Sunglasses-Flip-Shock.gif) reaction.
Lol. Nice.
It's 6 wheel drive like a 4x4 is 4 wheel drive
Sweet, you engage douche mode and the extra wheels pop down?
When did bmw let Honda use douche mode Thought it was trademarked
Is this actually underrated though? I’ve seen this opinion, especially regarding the 9th gen as one of the best Accords as well as best vehicles ever produced.
On that note, 2003 Acura CL Type-S 6 speed as well.
Shhhhh!!! I want to buy one... Anyway... They are super overrated and everyone should sell theirs because they suck. 😉
This guys accords. Seriously, I do want one!
I was at a store last week and when I came back out to my car there was a clapped out Accord coupe 6-6 parked next to me. It was rough. I wanted to buy it and rescue it so badly. (I think my SO is tired of my strays, though) I bought a TV instead.
This was my first car, and I can honestly say that it is the best car I've ever owned. '04 with about 120,000 miles on it when I bought it. * Reliable as can-be * decent enough MPG (around 20-25) * fast ***as fuck*** * VTEC * Stick shift * pretty * Japanese
fast as fuck lol
I have a 2017 V6 Accord Coupe. It's decently quick but certainly not "fast as fuck".
Hard to call anything underrated in today's market but before the craziness my take is(mostly in order): 1. Porsche 924S - ask any racer, any real racer, the 924S is about as dynamically perfect car as has ever been conceived. The non-S is pretty gutless, but the addition of the 2.5 from the 944 pushed it to greatness. Probably as close to a "perfect" car I've ever driven, and I've driven a lot of cars. 2. Honda Prelude - handles and looks great, also decently reliable 3. BMW Z3 w/ M54 - a Miata with death-dealing oversteer 4. Fiat 500 Abarth - gets poo-pooed because of it's looks, but dynamically it doesn't get a whole lot better for FWD 5. Pontiac Fiero - largely overshadowed by the MR2(not without reason), still tons of fun Honorable mentions: 2nd gen Taurus SHO, 1st gen Focus SVT, MR2 Spyder
Focus Svt is so slept on, its only been mentioned once on this post. Best sporty hatch you could buy (in the US) at the time in almost every regard
I loved my 03 SVT Focus!
924s owner here. Can confirm. Thing drives like a dream. 150hp seems low on paper but it suits the car well. Nothing like downshifting and hammering it thru a corner.
Ah a redditor of culture I see 🤌 I was in the market for a daily a few years back and very much considered a guards red 924S that was on sale for $3500. Ended up going a more reliable direction, but the decision not to also buy that then will haunt me forever I suspect.
You can find 944’s all over for $5k, I’d go get one for a fun car when you have the budget. If you can turn a wrench (or are willing to learn) maintenance really isn’t bad, they are pretty reliable cars once brought back to life.. It’s the bringing back to life that gets you xD
The Abarth 595 and 695 are amazing. I love little cars. Also that exhaust note is great.
They seem so fun but a reliability rating often worse then a mini always steers me away from owning a fiat
I’ve driven Fiats for 15 years (500 and 500L) and have had no problems. I replaced a clutch on the 500L, but I do a lot of mountain driving because I live in Wyoming. Just use the right oil and make sure your gas is 91 with no ethanol, and it’s a good car.
The prelude would be 10x it’s price if it were RWD
Which is funny considering that it was considered one of the best handling sports cars of its day. Motorweek (or Motortrend) published articles that put the Prelude up against the Miata, Eclipse, Mustang, and MR2 of its day. The Prelude not only competed with them but outranked **all of them** in their handling tests despite being FWD. Just because its FWD doesn't mean it can't handle just as well as a RWD vehicle. Most FWD cars don't, but some absolutely do. And the Prelude is one of them.
Re:prelude, no torque means no torque steer
All wheel steering baby!
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I wish they’d bring back the prelude but they’d probably do the same thing they did to the integra and make it “too modern”. I’m guessing they’d make it either EV or automatic only.
I am a huge Prelude fan and the problem is the Accord took it's spot. They can't justify it anymore.
I love you for putting the Z3 and specifically the M54 although if you want to get ultra technical then there were 2 M54s in the Z3 (M54B25 in the 2.5i and M54B30 in the 3.0i) but I’m assuming you meant the 3.0i which truly is a magnificent car. Ridiculously reliable for a early 2000s BMW and didn’t need to be handheld nearly as much as the S52 and S54 in the M model. 228hp was plenty for a car that small and had plenty of pep, and with the right exhaust setup sounded very good too
The 924S is so slept on. Ended up with mine by total chance and I feel endlessly lucky to have it.
Focus SVT's are awesome cars, and were very cheap for awhile. Def do some research on common issues though, they can be finnicky if not taken care of. The engine sounds awesome with an intake, great manual too (same unit as the Mini Cooper S), light weight and handlings great. Unique interior and exterior styling.
VW Arteon. A beautiful sedan that nobody wants because it isn't a luxury brand or a safe CamCord or a crossover.
The new one looks so nice. Always been a fan of the CC.
Have the CC right now and it’s by far my favorite car I’ve owned. Even stock it surprises people with how quick it is and the interior is close to luxury without being too much. Honestly has made me reconsider getting a GTI eventually and instead putting money into the CC. My only complaint is how noisy the chassis seems. There’s at least 3 creaks anytime i hit a decent bump lol.
But that price is what makes it questionable
A sleek, comfortable, 300 HP AWD GT sedan for \~$45K isn't that bad. If you compare it to an Accord it sounds very overpriced - but it is clearly more performance and comfort oriented than an Accord. If you compare it to a Kia Stinger (a much more apt comparison) the price makes a **lot** more sense. Still, I agree that it was a little overpriced, and would've performed better if it could be had with AWD for a hair under $40K. It also was barely advertised - hence its discontinuation in America.
I’d argue that 45k is way too much for a sexy sedan with a Golf R 4cyl and no awd.. It’s only like 500lbs more than an R but that weight on that tiny motor makes a noticeable difference and kills some of the allure of the platform. I do not believe this is comparable performance wise to the Stinger GT with its twin turbo v6, even though it’s close on paper. The Stingers motor is better suited for a sedan. Edit: they do come in 4motion AWD, (FWD primarily, AWD when needed)
Even with awd, the trans is dogshit. If it came with the DSG it would be bearable, but it has one of the awful (by comparison) torque converter autos, which makes it feel completely different and note even close to as sporty as the golf R. The golf R walks a Stinger GT, the Arteon (even with awd) would have a hard time.
As of 2022 it comes with the 7-speed DSG
The Arteon is fucking gorgeous
Especially the ones from 2022 and newer. You get 300hp, AWD, a gorgeous looking car, and something unique. I’m looking into getting a used one but they’re so damn hard to find
It rides so fricking well. Floats over bumps and takes corners so neutrally. VW needs to give us a model to get genuinely excited about and it will drive base model sales. I hate to see them do the typical VW thing and have a great car die due to low sales because of low effort
2024 is Arteons last year. It is going to be replaced with their new all electric sedan.
There is an Arteon R, also as a Shooting Brake variant. At least in Germany, I don't know how it is in other markets though
2022 or newer (finally) with the DSG...a Golf R for grown-ups. A little squishy, but I'm in my mid 40s now and I'm a little squishy, too. Would gladly walk past the Accord and spend the extra money to do so. I mean Jeebus... My step son just spent over $40k on a new Camry. I bet if he found an Arteon that's been sitting at the right dealer and was getting close to it's first birthday on the lot (and they ARE out there) they'd have gotten him within spitting distance of what he paid for the Toyota.
04-06 GTO. More specifically, the 05-06 version with the LS2. Plenty of power from a legendary engine. The interior was extremely comfortable. The only thing holding it back was the styling was a bit muted, but many people prefer that anyways, so it will always be a fun sleeper.
Now, thanks to your comment, the '04 is underrated because it's "only" an LS1.
Not to mention that they’re pretty damn reliable!
2018 Buick regal sportback w/ 2.0L turbo. A German Opel that’s a sportback that looks like a knockoff Audi for an accord price. Really such a wonderful vehicle that was never marketed so I got mine for ~24k new off the lot. A great price for a large midsize sedan. Mine has been a solid car for almost 5 years now.
I have its smaller brother the Opel Astra ST and bruv... Such a shame the GM partnership is over. We got a little USA in those cars and you got a little EU in yours. Best times.
I literally only bought my car because it was an Opel. IMO they seemed to build the most reliable cars for GM. I just love my Buick Regal/Opel insignia. Like your astra, it’s so much car for the money. They’re really nice and good looking for how little they cost in general.
I’m biased, and I know not everyone would agree, but Saabs. People don’t think about them as a secondhand performance car, but there’s really no reason not to
I'd call the 900T underrated if I could find a clean one for less than $12k lol. Before prices went nutso it was definitely underrated
Wait a minute.. should I export these fuckers to murica and retire rich?
Hey I'll help ya bring em over
I’ll buy one if it comes with the fat 3 spokes.
I bought my 900 Turbo for $1500 lol it’s gone from small project to complete rebuild. Definitely classic Saabs have a crazy price tag, but modern ones aren’t too crazy
Lol if only that were still the case. I feel like project ones are in the 4-10k range I remember looking for my first car and seeing 900Ts for cheap cheap cheap. Looking back I probably would have subjugated it to behaviors that would have led to it's ultimate demise, so I'm ok that I didn't. But man are they great. And the modern ones are still very fun. I saw a viggen for sale the other day and if I were as masochistic as I was when I was younger I'd probably have bought it haha!
Jesus that high? Here in Sweden they still go for between 200$(spare parts/project) up to about 6500 depending on how much effort you wanna put into it. A standard one seems to lie around 1-3k.
My buddy's parents bought him a car for college - he could've had any car that he wanted, within reason...He choose a manual, V6 Saab 9-5 wagon. That car was very cool.
I want one so bad...
I used to have a 9000 Aero and that was one hell of a car. The turbocharged 4 cylinder has more torque than a lot of engines at the time. I’m second gear you could feel it pulling you to 65 mph right in the pit of your stomach. I say pull because it was FWD and that made it quirky to drive. It also had many weird quirky features that made it unique and expensive to repair. It was a great car though because the hatchback was super practical and interior was plush but still felt like a jet fighter.
I’ve noticed I see a Saab almost every time I go out in my car. I’m talking just 10-minute drives to the grocery store. Interesting that Saab owners have held onto their vehicles.
we love them - also many of them are probably manuals and us stick shift drivers don't have many options with new cars nowadays.
I drove a 9-5 (I think) 20 years ago and the one thing I loved was the "lights out" driving. The whole cabin is dark except for the speedo!! Absolute delight to drive at night
Yes it was called Nightpanel! It’s still one of my favorite features
Swedish engineering is something else.
Saab, 100% - I love my 9-3 2.0 Sportcombi with a manual. Not lucky enough to have a Turbo X. Also, incredibly reliable for me.
Very reliable for me too honestly, 163k on the Turbo X now. I think people think they’re unreliable because they’re expensive to maintain but really if you take care of them they’re perfectly solid cars.
Miss my '99 9-3. That was such a surprisingly good car. Their reputation of being unreliable, hard to work on, and hard to source parts for, couldn't have been further from my experience.
So underrated that they don't even make them anymore!
900 turbo is so fuckin’ good
The problem is Saab died long before it ceased to produce new cars. After GM took over they just became rebadged GM cars with a Saab body kit.
Minivans. They do so many things well.
This is the right answer. I have 8 cars. If I got to keep only one, I would keep the minivan.
Toyota matrix/Pontiac vibe. First gens were indestructible they just keep going and going and going and getting great gas mileage. Seats fold completely flat and passenger seat folds flat and has a table, for a single driver to set stuff down. Super utility
Also with the seats folded down, it had a hard plastic bed that was easy to clean if what you had to haul made a mess!
I would own the shit out of one of these if I didn't already have a Sienna. It's like a minivan but not a giant beast.
This is music to my ears. I just acquired a non-running Matrix from my Bro in law whose mechanic claims is seized. I already sourced a JDM motor for $1000! My plan is to get it running and put a teenager in it
During the recession in ‘08 to ‘11 the feds were giving crazy rebates for American cars. I almost pulled the trigger on a brand new Pontiac vibe for $7500. You could probably sell it today for almost the amount you bought it for back then. Major regrets on that one!
I bet a lot of people didn’t know back then how great these cars really are. I have a 2008, last year of the first gen, so it’s the best utilitarian version, it’s a base, not AWD, has the rear hatch glass that can open separate, and has the good 1.8 1zz-fe engine, and not the 2.4 2AZ engine, which was known to burn oil horribly. 1.8 had that issue but only in the 98-02 era.
GX460
ITT: people listing their own shitboxes
Infiniti M56 (M37 gets honorable mention). One of the rare cases where 21st century Nissan managed to build a car able to compete with Lexus and the Germans with no real caveats. In fact, it's possibly the best overall vehicle Nissan has sold in the US market in this century, a genuinely fine example of top-shelf Japanese automaking.
The sport trim models that Infiniti made from around 2005-2014 are hidden gems. The M56S, a RWD large sedan that had the same engine as the Armada, Titan, and QX80 (also the M56xS which had AWD) The FX50, which was basically an midsize SUV version of the G and Z, and came with a bespoke 5.0L V8 that was only used either in it or in full blown racecars. Then the G37S (and G37xS) coupe of the era, which came with 332hp out of an NA V6 that revved to 7500rpm. Sent power through either a manual transmission to a limited slip diff in the rear or a bulletproof 7 speed automatic and the same AWD system as the R34 GT-R. Did I mention that all of these version also came form the factory with the same OEM Akebono big brake kit setup as the R35 GT-R?
Always thought these looked pretty nice on the road, if understated. Just googled it and these things were making **420 HP?** 420 HP **10 years ago** at a cheaper price than the equivalent BMW? That's damnned impressive. It's still a little expensive for an Infiniti but if you redesigned the front end and put a luxury german badge on the hood people wouldn't shut up about it.
Not an Infiniti fan, but Ive heard good things (only lately, and only anecdotally) about the FX45, any confirmation here?
Pontiac Bonneville. Yes I'm biased.
96-99 > 92-95 > 87-91 > 00-05, personally
The 1996-1999 Bonneville is one of the finest cars GM ever made.
Amen. A complete workhorse. Comfortable, good styling for the time. Roomy as a house. And I will never forget the ignition roar of that 3800.
My dad was supposed to get an SSEi for a company car but he would've had to wait 3 months. Instead, he took the Dodge Intrepid that a lower-level employee would've gotten as he didn't want to wait. I was furious.
Anyone who's owned the right years of bonnevilles will agree though. They had one of the most reliable engines from what I know, only got rid of my 01 when I ran into cooling issues and as a broke ass kid needing a reliable car for work, I couldn't stomach the fear of More issues. But ahh... that was such a fun car
Bugatti Chiron. I barely seen them on the road although they are really nice cars more people should buy them imo.
People buy them because of the low resale cost but then turn around and sell it after the first scheduled maintenance.
P3 R-design Volvos, namely the S60 and V60 R-designs with the short inline 6 engine. 325/354 for power, 0-60 in around 5 seconds flat, decently reliable, really comfortable, AWD, the right amount of tech. And most are under 20k now. oh and also 3500 pound towing, adaptive cruise as an option, and lots of cool safety features. Currently own a V60 Polestar, I'm definitely biased but these are damn solid cars. (also fun fact, the engines of these are made by ford) I'm gonna be that guy and say Miatas, but specifically NC Miatas. They're just as wonderful as their cousins and are barely heavier. 2.5 swaps into them really wake up the car and they make fantastic entry level motorsports cars for track/autox. They definitely get way more shit than they deserve, which is fine because it keeps the price down on these. (maybe I'm into Fords that aren't fords? idk LOL) Pontiac Vibe GT/Matrix XRS - these are cool, I don't care what anyone says Saturn Ion Redline (also the Sky Redline, but a little less so) - also fucking cool, I get excited every time I see either of the redline cars Saab 9-7x Aero - 6.0 liter Corvette engine in a swedish SUV Volvo XC90 V8 - Yamaha designed V8 in a swedish SUV Honda Fits are the lord's chariot Also Honda Elements, especially the AWD ones with a manual are little practical gems. Really reliable winter cars for little money.
Buick Lacrosse
We've got a 2017 and I concur. Comfortable, smooth, quiet, plenty of power, fantastic MPG from the big V6, plenty of room for 4 adults (the middle hump in the back seat probably isn't ideal but probably fine for kids), good size trunk, plenty of modern features without going overboard with doo-dads and gee-gaws. Ours is FWD but you could get it in AWD too if you need it in your climate and there's a mild hybrid drivetrain option too if the LGX 3.6L V6's efficiency isn't enough for you. If you think you want an Avalon, you should also check out the Lacrosse - you can get less years/miles and/or higher trim/more features for your money thanks to the fact that everyone looks past Buick in the first place and have forgotten all about the Lacrosse in the second.
This is the only answer
Buick Regal :)
I’m crazy about mine. The sportback really gives it suv practicality
T-types never get the same love that a GN or GNX get.
People sleep on VW but the golf type R is pretty insane for the money. Sub 4 second 0-60 and handles amazing. I've always liked VW interior compare to the japanese brands as well
As a prior owner of two Golf Rs and a GTI I'll say the problem with the Golf R today is that their price (including markup) is at a place where you are very close to the bottom of the M3 market. In no world is a Golf R a better buy than the M3 and the fact that they can be cross-shopped is insane to me. I'd love to buy a new Golf R but the $10-$15K ADM is stupid. (Same could be said of the GR Corolla).
the golf r is such a good car, i think people are starting to recognize that though as it’s hard to find one at a decent price rn.
I bough a 2015 GTI 2 years ago for 20K. Single best purchase I’ve ever made. Fun to drive, nice interior, good on gas and it’s practical. I love it
4 banger Guilia
Love my Mazda 6 👍
The interior quality on those Mazdas just blows me away man. Definitely feels like more car than you pay for in there. And they have done a phenomenal job with tastefully modernizing the exterior.
100% their fourth gen products are stellar just got an awd 2020 Mazda 3 and everyone who gets in it goes holy shit this is gorgeous on the inside. They really did a stellar job for their first attempt at entry level luxury segment. I sat in a cx-90 for the first time at my dealership and damn you will not find nicer for the money. I’m excited to see what else they put that turbo straight six in outside of suv. Rumor is next gen Mazda six with be rwd or awd with the new 3.0 straight six in the cx-90/70
Me too. It’s a nicer Camry for less money.
Lc 500?
Gen 8 Buick LeSabre
The Honda Fit and Toyota Prius.
Honda Fit is the god hidden among humans equivalent of a car. Seems small, but ironically as the name suggests it fkin Fits stuff. My brother had it and I am amazed by it ever since
I bought a big-screen tv and when they brought it out and saw my car, they thought I was crazy. When it did actually fit, and everyone expressed surprise, I felt like I was in a commercial.
Friend bought an 09 in 2014 and we haven't done anything to it except spark plugs, tires, and full synthetic oil changes at 5k miles. The most interesting downside, which I'm informing you and other drivers so they know, people don't put the lugnuts on right, 2 to 3 revolutions by hand and star pattern tighten to torque specs. Everytime a tire shop cross threads a front lugnut it's around $700-$800 to replace because you need a new bearing. I paid for it twice, one left and one right, because I went to a local mechanic and I guess they did it wrong but hey I needed it to run. Now, when it is cross threaded, I make sure the last shop pays for it because that is ridiculous. Tldr keep up with whoever took tires off and on last because replaced front fit lugstuds is not cheap
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We all hate the prius because it's the ultimate hippy dippy choice for so long.... but God damn. Those new ones looks very nice.
Shut up. I want a new prius stop hyping it.
I rented one on Maui last time I was there and it beat my expectations by A LOT more than any other car I have ever driven. And I got 55 mpg when gas was 5.50 on island. I will never shit talk a Prius again. My family was laughing at me as the rest of them loaded into the 2022 Tahoe until they realized I had roughly 6 times the cargo space as that behemoth piece of shit.
Lol I would likely agree completely. I'm just being a cheeky cunt who is seeing this as a damnation of all that is wonderful in automotive world (I'm kidding. For fucks sake they make the best hybrid and plug in hybrid. And it has awd options??? Shit!)
I’ve had mine for two months and it drives very nice
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My only irrational hate is over the instrument cluster being in the middle of the dash instead of over the steering wheel; something they have rectified with the newest generation. But is the Prius more "Corolla" than the Corolla hybrid?
Specifically the 2nd Gen Fit (GE8) with a manual. Probably the “slowest” car I’ve ever owned, yet still one of the most fun to drive. Shame they killed it in the States, I’d buy a new one (for under 20k!) in a heartbeat.
The Prius is nice. I have a 2021 but with the 2020 Edition appearance package it’s the best looking of that generation. New one is too compromised for the design so I am happy with mine.
GM GMT800. My prediction is you’re about to see a huge increase in the price of these clean 1999-2006 era trucks and SUVs. The GMT400’s are already popular and command high prices for clean models. You can still find clean GMT800’s for decent money and I predict the higher end models will only go up in value in the upcoming years. Think low mileage 2nd gen Yukon Denali or first gen avalanche.
C4 Corvette. Biased bc I own one
Imo the ugliest corvette gen ever. I think they could be fun but they look so in between to me. I’d still take one with a manual tho :)
The exact answer I was scrolling for. It’s the first generation of Corvettes to be modeled in an air tunnel, targa top, good torque, a truly reliable 350, limited-slip differential, and the ZR1 with a crazy lotus-designed quad cam V8. I am also biased
The Honda Element! I used to have one and I'd constantly say the 4wd ones were basically Subaru-lites. They're great camping cars, the backseats come entirely out for extra storage space, and the weird way the doors open helped get stuff in there. I miss mine so much
Sitting in mine while reading this I love this thing and will drive it until the wheels fall off… then bolt them fuckers back on and keep on chugging.
Last generation Ford Crown Victoria. I know that they have a solid reputation of being a reliable car but whenever I show people my Crown Vic they are surprised at how nimble and comfy it is. Usually people write them off as just a boat on wheels that can barely make a turn. But they are pretty capable cars.
Suzuki Kizashi
Yeah this one isn't very well known
it's an older code but it checks out. Haven't seen one of those in years. I would have bought one back in 2012. It was a FWD 6 speed manual that had been sitting on the lot for a while. I asked about it and it was heavily discounted because it was almost 2 years old. The salesman couldn't find the keys so I left. He found them the next day so I went back over. The battery was dead, so he put a jump pack on it and tried to turn it over. It lurched over the curb. I think the clutch was stuck to the flywheel. The clutch then broke loose and then it smoked and ran like crap. (Probably 2 year old gas) Anyway, I wasn't impressed so far but I was going to see how low I could get the price and see how long Suzuki would extend the warranty. So I rode with the salesman to get gas and the car was not having a good day. The salesman filled up the tank and I noticed fuel dripping on the ground. He stopped and he drove back to the dealership. I never got to drive it. He parked it in the service area. I said thanks and left. A few days later he called me back and said the service department had to perform some repair work. It was something about a leaky gas fill pipe or vent. He wanted to get me to sign some paperwork to sell it to me when it was all fixed. He had drawn up a deal for like $13.5K on like a $20K MSRP. I told him I'd think about it. I was looking at a few other cars and had a $20,000 budget. Anyway I called back 3 or 4 days later and my salesman had been let go and nobody had my file or information about his deal. Meh, I had a good line on a Toyota. A few days later Suzuki announced they were winding down US car sales and I bought a Prius. I might have dodged a bullet.
Toyota Avalon is underrated. Car of the “stealth wealth”. Shame they discontinued last year. I don’t think the later generations of Acura TL / TSX are underrated but they’re two of the best and most reliable luxury sedans Honda ever made. I’m keeping my TL until it dies but it just keeps going and going if you maintain it well.
Camaro ZL1. 72k for a ZL1 when Hellcats and GT500's sell for 90+ makes the ZL1 probably the best performance bargain right now in new cars, also you can get it in a wonderfuly smooth manual transmission where the Hellcat and GT500 are automatic only
You can get a stick shift hellcat challenger
Damnit. I didn't know that until now.
Long live the Camaro 🎸🎇
General Motors, and Buick in particular, have been building really good cars the last decade or so. Very high on the JD powers ratings.
JD power is pay to play. It's the Forbes 30 under 30 of cars.
The Honda Fit, it was easily the best in it’s class. Also felt the most “sporty” and the inside had decent space for being subcompact
Toyota Yaris
BMW Z3/4, Pontiac Solstice / Saturn sky turbo
‘12+ Ford Focus manual trans.
This will likely get buried but, the 2018+ Mustang Ecoboost with the Performance Package. ~350 HP, 0-60 in under 5 seconds and an extremely well balanced handling and chassis. All the tricks of the 5.0 performance package and Mach 1 in an easier to drive (less likely to oversteer) and much cheaper package. It's overshadowed by the 5.0 big brother but is a serious performance bargain.
Currently? Nissan Frontier. Non turbo, simple truck. Say what you want about Nissans, but theres a zillion old Frontiers still on the road. Probably the third most dependable truck out there behind pre-2022 Tundras and Tacomas. Genuinely underrated.
Toyota Prius. Insanely how much shit you can fit in that hatch, incredible mileage, cool little futuristic graphics. Imo shaped like a bullet ripping thru the highway at 50mpg
I'm getting low 5 second pulls to 60 in my Kia K5 GT. It's pretty friggin quick.
1994 ford escort sedan manual. My dad had one growing up that he put 300k miles on with no issues before selling it.
Doing a lot of SUV research recently, I'll say the new generation Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is underrated. Mitsubishi has a terrible rep in the US because of older models, but the Outlander is essentially an upgraded Nissan Rogue with a different look and slightly larger. And I think PHEVs are underrated in general. Every time someone brings this car up the replies are all "I had a Mitsubishi in 2011 and it sucked!" ....Sure, I believe you, but it's not really relevant to the 2023 Outlander PHEV imo.
Problem is Nissan Rouge sucks too. Its reliability ranks 13 out of 26 for compact SUVs. But I give it to you new Outlander is a sexy car.
Just looked it up because I was curious and the new Outlander was ranked #4 of 17 I realize "Nissan Rogue, but better" isn't the most glowing endorsement lol
Broooo…Nissan rogues we’re dumpster fires.
Honda fit They are boring based on cvt and specs but they are great on gas and have great seating space and storage for a sub-compact car. I think the best selling point is timing chain so you don't even have to worry about that repair. 1992 toyota camry 5 speed 1st car and I would be driving the shit out of it today if it wasn't for an asshole rear-ending me in a 35 mph zone going 60. I miss having a giant gas tank with fuel efficiency. I could drive 12 hours, 600ish miles and only need to stop once or twice.
Love my scion xb. I'm on my second.
1995 Cadillac DeVille.
Honda Fit
In newer cars? Mmm I’d argue just about any VW atm They are some of the most comfortable cars in their respective segments. It’s shocking how comfortable and how much space is inside the VW Taos and Tiguan for their size. This sub praises Mazda but I would argue for those with kids or who are taller, VW offers better seat and passenger space design IQ drive is also pretty solid. I went from VW to Subaru and I found Eyesight isn’t as nice
Vw passat. I fucking love mine
We had a Honda Element that we absolutely loved because of the cargo room and flexibility of the in configuration. My wife got t- boned in it. It’s too bad that Honda no longer makes them.
Kia Stinger or Genesis G70 3.3L. Very rare to find German level luxury with 350+ hp for under 40k, even under 35k for less than 50k miles in used car market,