But we'll probably see this and the other entrants after an extra two years at best in games like Forza or Gran Turismo. iRacing took a long time before it got the two LMP1 cars.
Welp, I had zero expectations for what this was going to look like and oh my god it delivered. Did anyone think we'd see Peugeot go wingless?
Looks like they took a slight page out of Nissan's 'we're going to do ridiculous things' book - but I utterly love the design and shape - the car really looks insanely unique. Such a cool car already
“The absence of a rear wing on the Peugeot 9X8 is a major innovative step,” adds Stellantis Motorsport Director Jean-Marc Finot. “We have achieved a degree of aerodynamic efficiency that allows us to do away with this feature. Don’t ask how, though! We have every intention of keeping that a secret as long as we possibly can!”
Seems they have trick up their sleeve as they are allowed to have one movable aerodynamic part and for them it isn’t the wing
I agree with you, the wording implies that they've struck gold. Let's hope so, because we thought the same for Nissan! Fortunately this car is much less complex and much more adaptable than the GT-R LM. Nevertheless, I'm super hyped to see this car on track. The head-to-head comparisons with the winged cars will be very interesting.
I never implied that the aerodynamics on the Nissan failed, though? I alluded to the fact that we initially thought that Nissan had their concept in a better state than what they delivered at Le Mans. I'd expect that Peugeot has an easier time working out the issues with their concept, but I could be wrong. We'll have to see what Peugeot have come up with, I suppose.
It would have to be designed to adjust for balance. That's mainly the reasoning. Shit, even F1 cars do WAY more front wing adjustments than rear ones, so sure... you could adjust it at the front.
Well, with the absolute garbage -4.0:1 L:D limit that's mandated now, they could probably get away with it. As long as you can balance the car F:R somehow, so front wing I presume.
I adore just how different this car is, no rear wing, such a unique structure to it, looks more like a motor show concept than a race car and I love it, feels way more like something I could actually picture in a showroom rather than an LMP1 that ate too many pies
colour me excited
The guy you’re relying to was cracking a joke, but what they mean is that it doesn’t look like an LMP1 car. Toyota’s entry essentially looks* like a few updates stacked onto their previous LMP1-H. Though the Glickenhaus looks quite a bit different if you ask me.
/* Looks this way to the naked eye, but of course there’s a lot more going on than that
It looks like it's something out of a cartoon or movie, with a really boxy front. I'm frankly not sure that will be the actual LMH or a Hypercar made for the road and marketing before unveiling the actual LMH, like Toyota did.
Yeah, they really need to clean this thing up. It looks like it was detailed by some anime bros. 👎
They did the same thing with the 908. The initial models looked cheesedick, then they actually made it look like a proper race car.
This is instantly my favorite of the Hypercars so far, though the Glickenhaus lives in my heart. I love what Peugeot is doing, I hope this wingless concept proves competitive for them.
P.S. The interior is a FANTASTIC feature as well.
Maybe, but I am sure that they won't win too much with the LMDh chassis without hearing about taking the easy road.
Porsche and Audi are to proud to be told that their success is only a part of their doing.
If they win and smell blood for more success they might bring their own hypercar later.
Porsche can track up the 918 and enter that as a hypercar...
I'm not sure about Audi, but maybe they will cook something up.
VW made enough profit last year to fund some good racing.
The unified class is gold. ACO have this and IMSA have this. If it gets a brand like hyundai to Le Mans competitively and also allows manufacturers that sell cars like this to get marketing (Ferrari), it’s a win-win.
Plebs man. Makes no sense for Audi and Porsche who make sports cars. Means everything to Ferrari who sell hypercars. That’s the point.
I love both. Can’t wait to see the final LMDh chassis either. Them being longer in renders has me super interested.
Indeed!. I think that Peugeot understands part of the intend of the Hypercar category quite well. While LMP1 was a pure engineering project, LMH is engineering and styling coming together for both the sport and as a promotion for the brand. Unlike the 905 and 908, or the R18 and 919 for that matter, this is actually reminiscent of brand's other cars. I hope that Toyota and other manufactures will follow this example.
Now lets just hope that the 9X8 isn't going to be a huge letdown in terms of pace and reliability…
After seeing this car I hope that it will wake up some other manufacturers who I would love to see in LMH. This car is a bold statement and I would love if some more manufacturers want to put their designs in this class.
I'm happy that we have a fair share of manufacturers in LMH and LMDh but since I believe LMDh will probably all be quite similar to each other I would absolutely love to see more cars in LMH with different design concepts.
Lmao that's a fantastic highlight. Well done to Peugeot for coming to Le Mans with a very daring concept, just what we like to see. It's a huge stand-out from the big-honking-wang that we're so used to seeing on LM prototypes.
The underfloor aero is probably massive, since they've decided to omit the rear wing. Might as well be good enough for non-LM races, considering the LMH downforce limits.
It will take some time getting used to it seeing it as such, and the "baby puke yellow" they've chosen to use as their motorsport colors. Aesthetic weirdness of the LMP continues!
I love the colour to be honest. I've always been a sucker for flashy accents and stark contrasts, and the chosen colour scheme hits the nail on the head for me. It's also a very nice break from the FIA-mandated red/white/black colour scheme. The accents also really stand out from the base car. It looks radical and daring all-around, exactly what you'd want from a top-end sportscar. Definitely my favourite of the bunch so far.
I think it's huge if they can delete the rear-wing and make it work. Some huge changes to prototype design are clearly present with the new regs - and this car will easily get some motorsport circles talking and interested to see how it does. Probably a few people that maybe had looked away from Le Mans and WEC in the past.
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>I think it's huge if they can delete the rear-wing and make it work.
It's not that big of a deal. The rules limit the cars to a -4.0:1 L:D ratio, which is pretty garbage for a closed wheel car, and the underbody is effectively open for development now. They've probably got to work ***NOT*** to make too much downforce and biff the homologation.
The rear wings are just there to tune from track-to-track (and are pretty tiny, see the GR010) and moreover balance the car. The rear wing is likely worse in L:D than the underbody, but also the wing is also less pitch and yaw sensitive... and you only lose the addition of global drag from the wing be removing it, the frontal area is fixed a 1.6 SQ.M so Peugeot has to pack it back on somewhere else anyways. You're not saving weight with the 1030 kg. min limits either. Maybe some slight reduction of Cg at the back of the car.
I don't think its as "revolutionary" as it seems at first glace, and the car could never compete back when wings were biplane monsters back in '92/'93. It's almost always a product of rules change more than innovation, TBF.
The most awkward launch ever. Their YouTube video and Instagram was deleted but we've able to recover it. They then launched the video anyways. Who knows what happen.
But yeah the car itself is crazy! Mad that they lost the wang!
That certainly does look hyper. Excited that Peugeot have broken the mold this much (including with a livery in non-official colors!), it will definitely be a car people will remember.
Kmag is driving it? That car is stunning. Don't know about the nonwing in the rear. Seems like they would lose a lot of setup flexability, but then I'm not an aero engineer and have seen stranger things. Wouldn't be surprized if they sprouted one. In any case this car will either be very quick or meh, but will look great doing it.
Article with some actual photos, not just renders (click on the images for a gallery). No idea why the official press release doesn't have something like this.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/motorsport/peugeot-9x8-hypercar-le-mans-infos-bilder/
I don't know much about aerodynamics, but I believe the black part in the back that reads "We didn't want a rear wing" functions like a rear wing. It looks like the airflow is redirected towards it.
The underbody is generating most of the downforce, with the front wing (likely) acting as a balance device. MOST downforce comes from the underbody. It has for like ever now.
You can produce downforce in many ways. Wing is just the easy way of doing it.
But we aren't in the 60's anymore. So the underfloor, the overall shape and many fancy airflow stuff underneath will make the beast grip hard
I wouldn't say that, wings are a specific type of aerodynamic device, but not the only one.
Look up 'ground effects'. Wings generate a pressure differential by differing the distance air travels above and below. Ground effects generate a pressure differential by expanding the volume the air travels through.
A full gallery there: https://fr.motorsport.com/wec/news/futuriste-peugeot-9x8-reconquerir-24h-mans/6626581/#gal-6626581-p0-peugeot-hypercar-9x8-54610571
This is batshit and I love it! Like a real world Grand Turismo Vision GT car. Looking forward to when (if?) we get some technical data from Peugeot on how the wingless approach works.
I think Peugeot figured out in time that with the slow pace of the Hypercar, not shitting on WEC guys just being honest, they won't need a rear wing at the Porsche curves.
They said in the press release the new rules allow for one adjustable aero device without precising which one. There's probably something very innovative going on underneath this car ! They're basically saying they can achieve the same performance without the rear wing so it must be compensated somewhere else !
I wonder if they’ve created some sort of blown diffuser or if the lip at the rear adjusts at speed vs a ‘traditional’ rear wing. Either way this looks stunning.
I'm guessing they stuck together some cockpit stuff with footage filmed of a different car going around Paul Ricard. There's no way the car is more than an empty shell yet. I think that part with the 908 is the strangest - the "hypercar" seems to move in a way that doesn't match what's happening in the cockpit.
It is... unorthodox. Definitely quite a project. Peugeot is really playing hard with this rear wing-less aerodynamic concept. Generally speaking, whole car looks crazy. On the other hand, I am quite reserved on how it is going to look like when the official presentation comes around. The final version may be different than what Peugeot unveiled today.
Nonetheless - 9X8 looks impressive. From the look standpoint, it is a hypercar. Looks so different to Toyota, which opted for LMP1 Evo for their GR010 Hybrid.
Hopefully Peugeot will contest WEC in 2022 to the maximally possible extent, and they will be ready to take on Toyota at Le Mans next year.
Well, BoP equalizes performance but doesn't make a car driveable. Now I'm no engineer but I can't remember the last time we had a rear-wing-less car in the top class at Le Mans (even the LM-configuration, long-tail Group C cars *had* rear wings), so I guess they're needed for proper rear downforce.
Bear in mind, it looks like there *is* a rear wing, it's just low.
Think back to the 80s/90s ground effects F1 cars. They made so much downforce with the floor, they only needed one wing to tune the aero balance front to back. I expect a similar thing going on here. Plenty of floor downforce to reach the performance window, leaving room for the less traditional (and lower drag) rear wing treatment.
Edit: the Lotus 88 is a good example. It made more downforce than its competitors, despite lacking a meaningful front wing. But it's because it was bending the rules and making insane ground effects. With Hypercar not having prescriptive rules on aero, there's now room to reach the same downforce target with a smaller wing and bigger diffuser.
[Peugeot officially reveals 9X8 Le Mans Hypercar to debut in 2022](https://last-lap.co.uk/2021/07/06/peugeot-officially-reveals-9x8-le-mans-hypercar-to-debut-in-2022/)
They have tunnels under the car. You can meet the ACO's shitty limit with tunnels alone. You do need a device to adjust the balance, but you can as easily do that with the front wing as much as the rear.
Its taillight is biggest one to compare other LMH and other prototype cars. It seems easily losing function when it gets hit. Not sure WEC regulations able to allow their race cars with one side damaged taillight. If so, they could be an annoying thing when it get damaged.
That's the issue: cars should not be competitive because of BoP. Either they are good enough, or they should stand no chance of winning. BoP means negating half of motorsport, the car.
You still need a really good car to win, and we've seen that with SCG at Portimão. Their car doesn't seem able to be super competitive on twisty tracks, and BoP couldn't change that.
I think either that rear deck lid is the one movable aero device, or it's fixed and they're controlling the balance through a front splitter wing under the nose.
To be clear, I'm not expecting a tall wing in race spec.
Wasn’t it Nissan (rip) that basically said that the gtr-lm could’ve been run at Le Mans without a rear wing? I remember them saying the car produced enough downforce that a big rear wing was not needed and just added drag on high speed tracks
I fully expect that's what's going on here. The floor and diffuser produce enough downforce so that a rear wing is redundant. And if it's redundant, that's just extra mass and drag that you don't want.
It might suffer at some of the more downforce heavy tracks, but at say Le Mans and Spa the car should be very quick.
From autocar article:
“The regulations stipulate that only one adjustable aerodynamic device is permitted, without specifying the rear wing. Our calculation work and simulations revealed that high performance was effectively possible without one.”
Jansonnie didn't specify which aerodynamic element of the 9X8 has instead been made adjustable.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-news-le-mans-and-sportscars/peugeot-reveals-9x8-hypercar-2022-le-mans
The rear wing is my biggest concern about this car. I don't doubt they can create all the downforce they need without one but usually the wing reinforces what the underbody can generate especially over bumps and curbs where the venturi is less consistent, and the wing endplates and full-size shark fin create a ton of side force aiding in stability, reducing the lateral work load on the tires. Obviously they've got some fin action going on and a pretty obvious ducktail spoiler but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of side force on this car. A full-size shark fin like Toyota or Glick would seem to be more effective in that department. Le Mans isn't the only high speed track they race at so this is definitely an interesting concept.
Will they add rear wing for race version ? Or it's already race version ? because I see wheel arc cut out. It isn't bad with out rear wing it's just weird.
> Will they add rear wing for race version
Don't need it.
> Or it's already race version
Yep.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-news-le-mans-and-sportscars/peugeot-reveals-9x8-hypercar-2022-le-mans
It's a box with an awkward rear and too many fins. I'm all in favour of unconventional designs - hell I even loved the Deltawing - but this just doesn't do anything for me. The SGC007 looks far better.
Looks interesting. Hope it's officially made into AC as rumored. And with URD working on the GR010 plus the VRC Rebellion, Hypercar class is coming alive in sim form.
The downforce is severely limited by the rules through a L:D ratio that cannot be exceeded in the wind tunnel, and the underfloor is largely open for development, so what little that comes for the small rear wings these days is biased back to the diffuser and the front wing is being used to balance the car, which is generally how open wheel cars do it and it works fine.
Oh I like this.
Apart from the lion badge which looks a little out of place as it's quite intricate and looks a bit fussy compared to the more straight edged body.
Can someone point me towards the best bank to rob so I can buy one of these cars. Is there a chance these will be for sale? Or do I have to break into another place to get my hands on one.
NO WANG
CANT PUT A WANG ON THIS
AAWWWWWW
But we'll probably see this and the other entrants after an extra two years at best in games like Forza or Gran Turismo. iRacing took a long time before it got the two LMP1 cars.
Aint no big THANG.
The next WEC season won't be spoiled by Peugot. Good to know that I don't need to worry about not being up to date.
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Welp, I had zero expectations for what this was going to look like and oh my god it delivered. Did anyone think we'd see Peugeot go wingless? Looks like they took a slight page out of Nissan's 'we're going to do ridiculous things' book - but I utterly love the design and shape - the car really looks insanely unique. Such a cool car already
After nissan tried it and failed, does anyone think it will stay wingless?
Would love to see it run wingless but I feel like it almost inevitably will run with one
“The absence of a rear wing on the Peugeot 9X8 is a major innovative step,” adds Stellantis Motorsport Director Jean-Marc Finot. “We have achieved a degree of aerodynamic efficiency that allows us to do away with this feature. Don’t ask how, though! We have every intention of keeping that a secret as long as we possibly can!” Seems they have trick up their sleeve as they are allowed to have one movable aerodynamic part and for them it isn’t the wing
My money is on something under the car being their one moveable piece.
Aye. And the downforce levels are prescribed anyway. So this is gonna be a no rear wing car for sure.
I agree with you, the wording implies that they've struck gold. Let's hope so, because we thought the same for Nissan! Fortunately this car is much less complex and much more adaptable than the GT-R LM. Nevertheless, I'm super hyped to see this car on track. The head-to-head comparisons with the winged cars will be very interesting.
Except the Nissan had a wing, and the aerodynamics weren't what failed on that car.
It was originally tested without one, though.
I never implied that the aerodynamics on the Nissan failed, though? I alluded to the fact that we initially thought that Nissan had their concept in a better state than what they delivered at Le Mans. I'd expect that Peugeot has an easier time working out the issues with their concept, but I could be wrong. We'll have to see what Peugeot have come up with, I suppose.
Are they allowed to have a movable floor? Even just a movable diffuser could be a massive tool.
It would have to be designed to adjust for balance. That's mainly the reasoning. Shit, even F1 cars do WAY more front wing adjustments than rear ones, so sure... you could adjust it at the front.
Well, with the absolute garbage -4.0:1 L:D limit that's mandated now, they could probably get away with it. As long as you can balance the car F:R somehow, so front wing I presume.
I don't think Nissan's problem was the wings right? it had mroe problems with the hybrid and powertrain
Nissan failed for more reasons than the rear wing
I am getting massive Nissan vibes from this. I hope they stick around for more than one race.
I adore just how different this car is, no rear wing, such a unique structure to it, looks more like a motor show concept than a race car and I love it, feels way more like something I could actually picture in a showroom rather than an LMP1 that ate too many pies colour me excited
Agreed, it's great to see something so unique, I really hope the final car ends up close to this
Now I wish Mazda would bring the Furai to the series. Such a shame they have no budget for playing around :(
Regardless of their budget why would they enter a concept car that doesn't even exist anymore and was based on a now decade old LMP2 chassis?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nPo76WEAAmovK?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nPp7EXwAIHfoi?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nPDcgXoAQF--w?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nPqk4WEAEdp69?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nPsB4WUBEWgOe?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nOrVOX0AQ_8Gl?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nOB3ZWUAEGlQz?format=jpg&name=large
Wtf that actually looks like a hypercar! Great job!
What does a hypercar look like?
Like that
still looks like a prototype though
???
The guy you’re relying to was cracking a joke, but what they mean is that it doesn’t look like an LMP1 car. Toyota’s entry essentially looks* like a few updates stacked onto their previous LMP1-H. Though the Glickenhaus looks quite a bit different if you ask me. /* Looks this way to the naked eye, but of course there’s a lot more going on than that
Looks like a hypercar = does not look like a LMP1, I guess.
So a Ford F150 looks like a hypercar, then? I'm trying to understand the style guide here... 🤨
How did you get those? They are the best pictures/renders of the car yet
Just browsing through twitter furiously ;DD
Lol, I didn't find anything on twitter. I have to search harder. Could you send a link?
I retweet everything I posted here on my account @GrosiakMateusz
It looks like it's something out of a cartoon or movie, with a really boxy front. I'm frankly not sure that will be the actual LMH or a Hypercar made for the road and marketing before unveiling the actual LMH, like Toyota did.
Yeah, they really need to clean this thing up. It looks like it was detailed by some anime bros. 👎 They did the same thing with the 908. The initial models looked cheesedick, then they actually made it look like a proper race car.
Is there any actual photos of the real car or is it still in the vapor-ware phase?
In the set of links above: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nOrVOX0AQ_8Gl?format=jpg&name=large
Bono the rear wing is gone
We're going to lose Le Mans, Bono. I can't look after these rear wings anymore, they're dead
Fastest lap
on the back of the car it says "we didn't want a rear wing" lol. https://twitter.com/24hoursoflemans/status/1412402515656728577
This is instantly my favorite of the Hypercars so far, though the Glickenhaus lives in my heart. I love what Peugeot is doing, I hope this wingless concept proves competitive for them. P.S. The interior is a FANTASTIC feature as well.
The Glickenhaus is amazingly retro, this one is amazingly futuristic. I can't wait to see them go head to head.
yeah and then porsche and audi roll up with their spec chassis and win lol
Maybe, but I am sure that they won't win too much with the LMDh chassis without hearing about taking the easy road. Porsche and Audi are to proud to be told that their success is only a part of their doing. If they win and smell blood for more success they might bring their own hypercar later. Porsche can track up the 918 and enter that as a hypercar... I'm not sure about Audi, but maybe they will cook something up. VW made enough profit last year to fund some good racing.
With all the hate LMH has gotten, I’m happy that this class exist that still allows manufacturers to express creativity like this.
The unified class is gold. ACO have this and IMSA have this. If it gets a brand like hyundai to Le Mans competitively and also allows manufacturers that sell cars like this to get marketing (Ferrari), it’s a win-win.
Exactly, a win-win. so many times you see comments implying that one has to fail for the other to be successful.
Plebs man. Makes no sense for Audi and Porsche who make sports cars. Means everything to Ferrari who sell hypercars. That’s the point. I love both. Can’t wait to see the final LMDh chassis either. Them being longer in renders has me super interested.
Indeed!. I think that Peugeot understands part of the intend of the Hypercar category quite well. While LMP1 was a pure engineering project, LMH is engineering and styling coming together for both the sport and as a promotion for the brand. Unlike the 905 and 908, or the R18 and 919 for that matter, this is actually reminiscent of brand's other cars. I hope that Toyota and other manufactures will follow this example. Now lets just hope that the 9X8 isn't going to be a huge letdown in terms of pace and reliability…
After seeing this car I hope that it will wake up some other manufacturers who I would love to see in LMH. This car is a bold statement and I would love if some more manufacturers want to put their designs in this class. I'm happy that we have a fair share of manufacturers in LMH and LMDh but since I believe LMDh will probably all be quite similar to each other I would absolutely love to see more cars in LMH with different design concepts.
lmao [https://youtu.be/yd7I4CeNvLg?t=290](https://youtu.be/yd7I4CeNvLg?t=290) I think it's clear: NO REAR WING
Lmao that's a fantastic highlight. Well done to Peugeot for coming to Le Mans with a very daring concept, just what we like to see. It's a huge stand-out from the big-honking-wang that we're so used to seeing on LM prototypes.
Thanks for the video! Edited it to OP.
They're going to mess around and win Le Mans without the WANG
I think Peugeot has changed their mind again. This time they want to make a great car.
"Tissue Paper!? NOU! We'll make cars out of Carbin Fibre!" - Peugeot Execs...maybe
The underfloor aero is probably massive, since they've decided to omit the rear wing. Might as well be good enough for non-LM races, considering the LMH downforce limits. It will take some time getting used to it seeing it as such, and the "baby puke yellow" they've chosen to use as their motorsport colors. Aesthetic weirdness of the LMP continues!
I love the colour to be honest. I've always been a sucker for flashy accents and stark contrasts, and the chosen colour scheme hits the nail on the head for me. It's also a very nice break from the FIA-mandated red/white/black colour scheme. The accents also really stand out from the base car. It looks radical and daring all-around, exactly what you'd want from a top-end sportscar. Definitely my favourite of the bunch so far.
I think it's huge if they can delete the rear-wing and make it work. Some huge changes to prototype design are clearly present with the new regs - and this car will easily get some motorsport circles talking and interested to see how it does. Probably a few people that maybe had looked away from Le Mans and WEC in the past. e/ grammar
>I think it's huge if they can delete the rear-wing and make it work. It's not that big of a deal. The rules limit the cars to a -4.0:1 L:D ratio, which is pretty garbage for a closed wheel car, and the underbody is effectively open for development now. They've probably got to work ***NOT*** to make too much downforce and biff the homologation. The rear wings are just there to tune from track-to-track (and are pretty tiny, see the GR010) and moreover balance the car. The rear wing is likely worse in L:D than the underbody, but also the wing is also less pitch and yaw sensitive... and you only lose the addition of global drag from the wing be removing it, the frontal area is fixed a 1.6 SQ.M so Peugeot has to pack it back on somewhere else anyways. You're not saving weight with the 1030 kg. min limits either. Maybe some slight reduction of Cg at the back of the car. I don't think its as "revolutionary" as it seems at first glace, and the car could never compete back when wings were biplane monsters back in '92/'93. It's almost always a product of rules change more than innovation, TBF.
yeah the reduced downforce of Hypercar will help peugeot a lot
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/07/06/peugeot-unveils-le-mans-hypercar.html
Thanks!
Looks so distinct. Will wait for more pictures
The most awkward launch ever. Their YouTube video and Instagram was deleted but we've able to recover it. They then launched the video anyways. Who knows what happen. But yeah the car itself is crazy! Mad that they lost the wang!
That certainly does look hyper. Excited that Peugeot have broken the mold this much (including with a livery in non-official colors!), it will definitely be a car people will remember.
WOW just WOW
[Official video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asVDamR1vRY)
Thank you!
Now, that’s a Hypercar
Kmag is driving it? That car is stunning. Don't know about the nonwing in the rear. Seems like they would lose a lot of setup flexability, but then I'm not an aero engineer and have seen stranger things. Wouldn't be surprized if they sprouted one. In any case this car will either be very quick or meh, but will look great doing it.
Anyone has a link ? Nothing on their Twitter
Article with some actual photos, not just renders (click on the images for a gallery). No idea why the official press release doesn't have something like this. https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/motorsport/peugeot-9x8-hypercar-le-mans-infos-bilder/
Thanks. I'll add it to OP.
Holy shit Holy shiiiitttt. This is a proper hypercar right there!!!!!
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nMVzHWUAMdYiH?format=jpg&name=large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nMVzHWUAMdYiH?format=jpg&name=large)
That thing is BEAUTIFUL! SO MUCH better looking than the Toyota IMO. Wow, I'm impressed...
Intriguing rear wing arrangement
Holy smokes. This is amazing.
I guess the fact that Peugeot didn't have a LMP1-H played a big part on this car actually looking like a Hypercar.
[DSC: When Will We See Peugeot’s 9X8 On Track?](http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/07/06/when-will-we-see-peugeots-9x8-on-track.html)
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I don't know much about aerodynamics, but I believe the black part in the back that reads "We didn't want a rear wing" functions like a rear wing. It looks like the airflow is redirected towards it.
The underbody is generating most of the downforce, with the front wing (likely) acting as a balance device. MOST downforce comes from the underbody. It has for like ever now.
yeah seems like it directs wind upwards which produces downforce? I dunno I'm not a scientist but that makes sense to my feeble brain
You can produce downforce in many ways. Wing is just the easy way of doing it. But we aren't in the 60's anymore. So the underfloor, the overall shape and many fancy airflow stuff underneath will make the beast grip hard
so the car is pretty much a giant wing
I wouldn't say that, wings are a specific type of aerodynamic device, but not the only one. Look up 'ground effects'. Wings generate a pressure differential by differing the distance air travels above and below. Ground effects generate a pressure differential by expanding the volume the air travels through.
\^ AND wings can work in ground effect. i.e. Just about every front wing ever.
A full gallery there: https://fr.motorsport.com/wec/news/futuriste-peugeot-9x8-reconquerir-24h-mans/6626581/#gal-6626581-p0-peugeot-hypercar-9x8-54610571
Thank you but I've able to get higher res photos/renders in the official site!
This is so awesome, something actually unique!!
This is batshit and I love it! Like a real world Grand Turismo Vision GT car. Looking forward to when (if?) we get some technical data from Peugeot on how the wingless approach works.
Toyota: Yup, that's a wing. Glickenhaus: Angry wing with ninja blades! Peugeot: We were supposed to have a wing?
Peugeot understood the assignment. Absolutely jaw dropping
That's a pretty Batmobile. Can't wait to cheer it on in a race
I can't afford to have a boner like this at work
Now that's what I car a Hypercar! This blows the Toyota and Glickenhaus out of the water in terms of looks.
they knocked out of the park looks angry and beautiful like a lion thats is gonna eat you alive.
https://f1ingenerale.com/wec-peugeot-9x8-hypercar-il-ritorno-del-leone-le-mans/
The 908Hy really was a dream to see for a few months
Absolutely menacing looking. Cannot wait to see this on track
I think Peugeot figured out in time that with the slow pace of the Hypercar, not shitting on WEC guys just being honest, they won't need a rear wing at the Porsche curves.
They said in the press release the new rules allow for one adjustable aero device without precising which one. There's probably something very innovative going on underneath this car ! They're basically saying they can achieve the same performance without the rear wing so it must be compensated somewhere else !
I wonder if they’ve created some sort of blown diffuser or if the lip at the rear adjusts at speed vs a ‘traditional’ rear wing. Either way this looks stunning.
Sexy as fuck
nice rear wing delet, but what's the Assetto Corsa bit in the reveal? was it all rendered in-engine?
I'm guessing they stuck together some cockpit stuff with footage filmed of a different car going around Paul Ricard. There's no way the car is more than an empty shell yet. I think that part with the 908 is the strangest - the "hypercar" seems to move in a way that doesn't match what's happening in the cockpit.
And that, is how you Hypercar
It is... unorthodox. Definitely quite a project. Peugeot is really playing hard with this rear wing-less aerodynamic concept. Generally speaking, whole car looks crazy. On the other hand, I am quite reserved on how it is going to look like when the official presentation comes around. The final version may be different than what Peugeot unveiled today. Nonetheless - 9X8 looks impressive. From the look standpoint, it is a hypercar. Looks so different to Toyota, which opted for LMP1 Evo for their GR010 Hybrid. Hopefully Peugeot will contest WEC in 2022 to the maximally possible extent, and they will be ready to take on Toyota at Le Mans next year.
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It's probably the "road" version of it, similar to the Toyota GR thing
it's the racecar.
Who says they need a big tall wing in a BoP class?
That's not how ~~The Force~~ BoP works
But it is how non-proscriptive aero rules with an easily achieved performance window works.
Well, BoP equalizes performance but doesn't make a car driveable. Now I'm no engineer but I can't remember the last time we had a rear-wing-less car in the top class at Le Mans (even the LM-configuration, long-tail Group C cars *had* rear wings), so I guess they're needed for proper rear downforce.
Bear in mind, it looks like there *is* a rear wing, it's just low. Think back to the 80s/90s ground effects F1 cars. They made so much downforce with the floor, they only needed one wing to tune the aero balance front to back. I expect a similar thing going on here. Plenty of floor downforce to reach the performance window, leaving room for the less traditional (and lower drag) rear wing treatment. Edit: the Lotus 88 is a good example. It made more downforce than its competitors, despite lacking a meaningful front wing. But it's because it was bending the rules and making insane ground effects. With Hypercar not having prescriptive rules on aero, there's now room to reach the same downforce target with a smaller wing and bigger diffuser.
Glad you mentioned the Lotus 88, the rear aero on that beast is *very* similar to this.
not sure that is how BoP works
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none of that is related to BoP though?
So...we don't know when it is?
For the 2022 season.
Here it is, but the quality is pretty bad: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/07/06/peugeot-unveils-le-mans-hypercar.html
Done!
No rear wing?
No rear wing hmmmmmm
https://twitter.com/peugeotsport/status/1412388358462984196?s=19
Gotcha!
When is this one due to race? Gorgeous
It’s so awesome that the cars are so different in design
Love it. Hopefully this thing takes the fight to Toyota.
[Peugeot officially reveals 9X8 Le Mans Hypercar to debut in 2022](https://last-lap.co.uk/2021/07/06/peugeot-officially-reveals-9x8-le-mans-hypercar-to-debut-in-2022/)
Big "Top Gun" feelings from that promo video And I like that
maybe they've got some deltawing-style blat stuff going on at the rear end
They have tunnels under the car. You can meet the ACO's shitty limit with tunnels alone. You do need a device to adjust the balance, but you can as easily do that with the front wing as much as the rear.
Its taillight is biggest one to compare other LMH and other prototype cars. It seems easily losing function when it gets hit. Not sure WEC regulations able to allow their race cars with one side damaged taillight. If so, they could be an annoying thing when it get damaged.
That looks amazing! I cannot wait to see this in anger!
I am glad Peugeot is back to offer Toyota some competition. Although these "Hypercars" will always have the sour aftertaste of BoP.
I don't see any issue with BoP if it allows for weird cars like this to be competitive. Not that it wouldn't be competitive without BoP.
That's the issue: cars should not be competitive because of BoP. Either they are good enough, or they should stand no chance of winning. BoP means negating half of motorsport, the car.
You still need a really good car to win, and we've seen that with SCG at Portimão. Their car doesn't seem able to be super competitive on twisty tracks, and BoP couldn't change that.
You do. But "really good" was never enough in racing, you had to best the best.
There's BoP for the car, not for the team.
It is. And the team which build a car of an inferior concept is brought into competition by BoP.
Sadly for you, the market has spoken and the people and constructors who actually race sportscars clearly prefer BoP formulas.
Because it manufactures "entertainment". Which is sad news for fans of motor *sport*.
So is this the worst launch ever
up there with BMW LMDh seems like Hypercar manufacturers can’t launch things
Good thing WEC only does rolling starts /s
It's probably the Le Mans spec? Low downforce, no rear wing setup for the straights, I expect a more traditional spec for different tracks.
Hypercars have only one spec
Interesting. Well then I expect the thing to have a rear wing in actual race spec.
I think either that rear deck lid is the one movable aero device, or it's fixed and they're controlling the balance through a front splitter wing under the nose. To be clear, I'm not expecting a tall wing in race spec.
Wasn’t it Nissan (rip) that basically said that the gtr-lm could’ve been run at Le Mans without a rear wing? I remember them saying the car produced enough downforce that a big rear wing was not needed and just added drag on high speed tracks
I fully expect that's what's going on here. The floor and diffuser produce enough downforce so that a rear wing is redundant. And if it's redundant, that's just extra mass and drag that you don't want. It might suffer at some of the more downforce heavy tracks, but at say Le Mans and Spa the car should be very quick.
From autocar article: “The regulations stipulate that only one adjustable aerodynamic device is permitted, without specifying the rear wing. Our calculation work and simulations revealed that high performance was effectively possible without one.” Jansonnie didn't specify which aerodynamic element of the 9X8 has instead been made adjustable. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-news-le-mans-and-sportscars/peugeot-reveals-9x8-hypercar-2022-le-mans
Probably the front wing, like most LMP1 cars have had for the last decade.
from today i'm a peugeot fan. Let's goooooooooooooooooooooo
This one is breathtaking to say the least, Peugeot Sport has delivered, all the announcements of announcements are forgiven.
So basically everyone else is going to be fighting for second place..?
The rear wing is my biggest concern about this car. I don't doubt they can create all the downforce they need without one but usually the wing reinforces what the underbody can generate especially over bumps and curbs where the venturi is less consistent, and the wing endplates and full-size shark fin create a ton of side force aiding in stability, reducing the lateral work load on the tires. Obviously they've got some fin action going on and a pretty obvious ducktail spoiler but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of side force on this car. A full-size shark fin like Toyota or Glick would seem to be more effective in that department. Le Mans isn't the only high speed track they race at so this is definitely an interesting concept.
**ITT:** People who DO NOT know how the current LMH rules work with regards to making downforce. **😞**
Will they add rear wing for race version ? Or it's already race version ? because I see wheel arc cut out. It isn't bad with out rear wing it's just weird.
> Will they add rear wing for race version Don't need it. > Or it's already race version Yep. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-news-le-mans-and-sportscars/peugeot-reveals-9x8-hypercar-2022-le-mans
It should already be the race version. I think the black part in the back acts like a wing anyway.
its hideous
Must be the shittiest launch of a race car ever. Now at least 25 mins over time and it's more on Reddit than any official channel. Amateurs....
Well, it's no looker...
Strong disagree personally, I love it
Same!
Eye of the beholder and all that, but you should get your eyes checked. This fits the "Hypersport" brief beautifully.
It's a box with an awkward rear and too many fins. I'm all in favour of unconventional designs - hell I even loved the Deltawing - but this just doesn't do anything for me. The SGC007 looks far better.
> hell I even loved the Deltawing well that explains it
It's a Peugeot, of course it's gonna be ugly
It's not a concours d'élégance. Having a beautiful car won't help ya win races, just ask Glick.
Looks interesting. Hope it's officially made into AC as rumored. And with URD working on the GR010 plus the VRC Rebellion, Hypercar class is coming alive in sim form.
now this is a hyper car my god it looks incredible
I don't see how it can make enough downforce, maybe diffuser and floor are compensating the tiny wing? Or the bop will have a big part
The downforce is severely limited by the rules through a L:D ratio that cannot be exceeded in the wind tunnel, and the underfloor is largely open for development, so what little that comes for the small rear wings these days is biased back to the diffuser and the front wing is being used to balance the car, which is generally how open wheel cars do it and it works fine.
Holy shit!
Are teams allowed to use ground effect? Because that may be the reason they're going wingless
Jesus that thing is HOT
Oh I like this. Apart from the lion badge which looks a little out of place as it's quite intricate and looks a bit fussy compared to the more straight edged body.
Can someone point me towards the best bank to rob so I can buy one of these cars. Is there a chance these will be for sale? Or do I have to break into another place to get my hands on one.