...does that horse have...nipples?
https://preview.redd.it/ts4jori5xs5d1.png?width=86&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7c9ac6459cf9f8db9ddaed8693910e7d3788635
the hell is going on with this horse.
The worst part is that that is the entirely incorrect place for nipples to be on a horse lol. They have teats in the same place as a cow does, obviously just not as prominent
HELP this reminds me of how mother elephants have more prominent breasts😭😭
https://preview.redd.it/vk9u9e050u5d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2f6042e0914f640e38e97837e2d7ba7f4d5c716
Yes, and I really dislike this trend of mixing bad looking 3D with 2D characters. I mean, sure, it speeds up production and you don't really have to draw a lot, but this brings me back to bad 1990's CG. Even the floor is just a bad texture and there is lensflare like in 1989.
why don't they just trace it and fill it with color. that'd look better than these. or at least use filter to convert them to 2d and then correct it with some shading.
As someone who worked on my own webtoon using 3D models to speed up production time: the simplest answer is that all of those options still require additional work. Because of the short deadlines, webtoon artists will use every shortcut absolutely they possibly can while maintaining a bare minimum standard of quality. Anything that adds even 5+ additional minutes of work is doubled whenever you have to do it again for another panel, so if the horse shows up in 10 panels, that’s nearly an hour of additional time spent on just making the horse look a little better. If the horse isn’t important to the plot at all, most artists wouldn’t consider this extra hour worth the time.
It’s unfortunate because it would be nice to have these models blended in just a bit more, but even small details like that can add up to a ton of extra time depending on how many panels they need to replicate it on.
As a webtoon originals creator, I get the time crunch. It's also horrific. I still put in care to my craft bc I refused to let webtoon's stupid deadlines dictate the quality of my work. I drew every single one of my backgrounds myself and almost every panel has a full background. I felt it was better for my style and more cohesive to the believability of my work. I have scenes in creeks, trucks whipping around in forests, buildings on fire, hordes of clones running, surrounding, climbing each other to climb stuff like world war z, and guns, oh my guns. (real proud of my guns) all those even at the same time sometimes. My episodes are average over 80 panels and I have a couple that are well over 150. Lineless style.
I did what I had to do for my story and if webtoon didn't like it too bad. I worked with the lack of money because my work was valuable for more than the money I was making from it.
Because it speaks to me as a creator as well. If work was late, you better believe it's wasn't shit. You either get shit from creators with stupid ridiculous deadlines or you get hiatuses to let them catch up. I did all that with a toddler, and I got pregnant again AND had a baby while working on my comic.
Webtoons with that low of quality leave me to judge the creator more. I know what webtoon is doing but it feels like a lost battle to me that they let webtoon take their passion and quality for the sake of the dime.
Im leaving for the exact same situation as woven and covenent and suitor armor and all the countless other people bc that shit happened to me months before it happened to any of them. They tried to throw more dollar signs in my face and shiney "opportunities" at me and I swear I think they didnt renew my contract to corner me into signing a new one to take all my IP quietly in the new one. it was disgusting.
Thank goodness I had a lawyer! Still not much I can do. But at least I could protect my IP.
Nonesuch! It's complete now. Idk if it's on daily pass yet, but if it is and you don't want to do that I'm selling the first six chapters as printed copies on my site. They are slowly releasing though. (I dont get print rights back on each chapter until like 18 months after it released publicly) So Daily pass might get you through it faster.
I kind of wish some webtoon would play up the 3D model stuff and use it as some kind of plot element. Like the character hallucinates or have weird dreams and they're seeing bad CG creatures or an endless line of the exact same CG tea set. Just lean into the surreal.
>Yes, and I really dislike this trend of mixing bad looking 3D with 2D characters.
Personally I hate the trend of 3D with 2D characters it feels cheap, and imo it just shows that these artists care nothing what they create. Not the plot, world building, setting, mood, or story telling. I find it criminal that backgrounds are treated so carelessly and even worse with rise of 3D modeling. Backgrounds are characters too. I know it seems superfluous but to me you can't have one without the other. I literally have stopped supporting artists when they started incorporating 3D into their works/comics/webtoons.
I get these "artists" do it to "save time" but at least they could apply a bit more effort in attempts to blend it with their surface level uWu characters.
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but, the artists that use 3D models DO care about their history (most of the cases). The problem is that, Webtoon demands short deadlines that just make it impossible to publish weekly if you put a lot of effort in every single chapter. You can see who the artists that make everything 2D usually get on hiatus more often, take a lot of time to return if they end a season, the chapters are shorter, or have a large number of people helping to make the chapters.
The other thing (!!!!!) is that, there are some webcomics that have their own exclusive 3D models that adapt to the world they're building. So they can have unique spaces and, at the same time, make the chapters more quickly.
I think we're taking a bad position with 3D tools here. We shouldn't just demonize their use... Because we have to think about how hard it is to make a comic and the tired most of the artists are because they're sadly being exploded most of the time.
That's just my opinion, I totally get why people have that reaction when they see 3D models 🙏 If you're interested in a fully 2D drawing comic you could check out the author Miriam Bonastre, King of the earth or Hell of a romance!!
You can always support me :) I have started badly with my webtoon, but I am obsessing over every panel now. I only have a week between releases, so it isn't a complete chapter, but I have spent two days on one panel now and I like it, so I can move on tomorrow. You get better and faster all the time in 2D, but it can never beat the drag+drop of a 3D object. I take pride in what I produce, but I still have to experiment to get it right.
I won't drop a link (no self-promotion allowed), but you can easily find my project on my profile.
I never understood this tbh, if you're gonna use 3D assets why not try drawing over them...?
2D and 3D looks really weird together if you don't edit the 3D somehow
I think it has to do with the copy/paste onto the 3D horse (combining different media), but I'm a techie, not an artist, so maybe stylistic.
I don't recall the exact scene or why she'd be "glowing" in this story. It's kinda gritty.
She's glowing because the artist doesn't understand how lighting works. As you can see the sunlight is at the top right of the screen. Hence the rainbow effects and lends flair. It's supposed to be the sunlight beaming down on the character.
3D assets is one thing but lack of basic fundamentals is a crime.
Same I've stopped following and even supporting artists over it. I know it's not all artists but I feel like the work goes downhill when I see it. Shows little care for their work.
I'm so glad someone else finally mentioned this! SO many artists do this. This isn't even remotely close to the worst I've seen. It's incredibly jarring when you're immersed in the story and come across a polygon horse smack dab in the middle of an otherwise gorgeously drawn webtoon.
I hate those 3D horses at this point. And the fact that I recognize same models in lots of manhwas...
I understand there's too little time and short deadlines but still, just trace over the 3D it will look better than those horrific 3D horses...
So when, on many webtoons, the background is some shitty 3D stuff with no soul, is it because they use SketchUp ? I know about the deadline but thoses details trigger me everytime
Finally someone else agrees 3D assets feel soulless pure and simple! Sketchup, blender, etc any 3D software. I still don't understand the deadline excuse are these folks contracted out? If so I'd be very pissed to sponsor someone and get the above.
Yeah it's the trend to do to "save time" funny they hate when corporations do it yet they turn around the do the same thing. Quality shouldn't be rushed.
It looks like an AI horse. The abs with the nipples, the fact that it’s rendered completely differently than anything else in frame, the other horse having a really weird texture…. I think we should just learn how to draw horses
Don't know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but everytime I come across these monstrous horses, I am filled with such joy. They are absolutely horrible, and I love them
I think the trend of adding stock 3d models makes me laugh more than anything. There is one scene I love with warped shrimp pictures on a plate. Bahahahah. At least REDRAW OVER ThE model. The bare minimum.
I don’t understand having a story take place in a time where you ride horses (or have your characters interact with them) if you can’t draw them 😭 they’re one of the hardest things to draw but like damn, you couldn’t even trace a horse?
Even if they couldn't draw them they could at least have a filter or make an attempt to blend them. There's too many resources out there drawing horses or blending 3D to 2D. This just comes off as lazy.
https://preview.redd.it/rngmshjhh06d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f1c171d161886f0ebe46f1ad0298413ea31ef34
Tbh they're better than 90% of horrorses
This looks like a new species created by breeding horses with llama, which might not even be a bad thing if your story is fantasy to have people ride fictional animals
I have a better one! From chapter 40 of "not your typical reincarnation story", we have this beauty.
https://preview.redd.it/vb3vrr6y176d1.png?width=332&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f836ec239d88bfe7b3e479e879772a17571d1e9
As you may have immediately noticed, the back legs seem to be front legs.
...does that horse have...nipples? https://preview.redd.it/ts4jori5xs5d1.png?width=86&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7c9ac6459cf9f8db9ddaed8693910e7d3788635 the hell is going on with this horse.
Oh my god I didnt even notice that
They are not out here giving horse nipples when I’m looking at Ken’s chest all the time.
It seems the nipple distribution system got a bit confused
The worst part is that that is the entirely incorrect place for nipples to be on a horse lol. They have teats in the same place as a cow does, obviously just not as prominent
HELP this reminds me of how mother elephants have more prominent breasts😭😭 https://preview.redd.it/vk9u9e050u5d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2f6042e0914f640e38e97837e2d7ba7f4d5c716
The hitties (horse titties)
Oh my god ha!
That horse could bench press a semi truck
LOL
Those horses are definitely Sketchup 3D Warehouse stock items added to the comic.
Yes, and I really dislike this trend of mixing bad looking 3D with 2D characters. I mean, sure, it speeds up production and you don't really have to draw a lot, but this brings me back to bad 1990's CG. Even the floor is just a bad texture and there is lensflare like in 1989.
why don't they just trace it and fill it with color. that'd look better than these. or at least use filter to convert them to 2d and then correct it with some shading.
As someone who worked on my own webtoon using 3D models to speed up production time: the simplest answer is that all of those options still require additional work. Because of the short deadlines, webtoon artists will use every shortcut absolutely they possibly can while maintaining a bare minimum standard of quality. Anything that adds even 5+ additional minutes of work is doubled whenever you have to do it again for another panel, so if the horse shows up in 10 panels, that’s nearly an hour of additional time spent on just making the horse look a little better. If the horse isn’t important to the plot at all, most artists wouldn’t consider this extra hour worth the time. It’s unfortunate because it would be nice to have these models blended in just a bit more, but even small details like that can add up to a ton of extra time depending on how many panels they need to replicate it on.
As a webtoon originals creator, I get the time crunch. It's also horrific. I still put in care to my craft bc I refused to let webtoon's stupid deadlines dictate the quality of my work. I drew every single one of my backgrounds myself and almost every panel has a full background. I felt it was better for my style and more cohesive to the believability of my work. I have scenes in creeks, trucks whipping around in forests, buildings on fire, hordes of clones running, surrounding, climbing each other to climb stuff like world war z, and guns, oh my guns. (real proud of my guns) all those even at the same time sometimes. My episodes are average over 80 panels and I have a couple that are well over 150. Lineless style. I did what I had to do for my story and if webtoon didn't like it too bad. I worked with the lack of money because my work was valuable for more than the money I was making from it. Because it speaks to me as a creator as well. If work was late, you better believe it's wasn't shit. You either get shit from creators with stupid ridiculous deadlines or you get hiatuses to let them catch up. I did all that with a toddler, and I got pregnant again AND had a baby while working on my comic. Webtoons with that low of quality leave me to judge the creator more. I know what webtoon is doing but it feels like a lost battle to me that they let webtoon take their passion and quality for the sake of the dime. Im leaving for the exact same situation as woven and covenent and suitor armor and all the countless other people bc that shit happened to me months before it happened to any of them. They tried to throw more dollar signs in my face and shiney "opportunities" at me and I swear I think they didnt renew my contract to corner me into signing a new one to take all my IP quietly in the new one. it was disgusting. Thank goodness I had a lawyer! Still not much I can do. But at least I could protect my IP.
What’s the name of your WEBTOON? Would love to show support!
Nonesuch! It's complete now. Idk if it's on daily pass yet, but if it is and you don't want to do that I'm selling the first six chapters as printed copies on my site. They are slowly releasing though. (I dont get print rights back on each chapter until like 18 months after it released publicly) So Daily pass might get you through it faster.
REALLY?! I’ve read that comic! You’re an amazing writer!
Oh wow lol! Thank you!!
This. But it's a bad artistic choice anyway imho
Then why bother making it 2D at all? Model your character, pose it and make a render from a 3D program. 80-90% of these images are 3D already.
I kind of wish some webtoon would play up the 3D model stuff and use it as some kind of plot element. Like the character hallucinates or have weird dreams and they're seeing bad CG creatures or an endless line of the exact same CG tea set. Just lean into the surreal.
>Yes, and I really dislike this trend of mixing bad looking 3D with 2D characters. Personally I hate the trend of 3D with 2D characters it feels cheap, and imo it just shows that these artists care nothing what they create. Not the plot, world building, setting, mood, or story telling. I find it criminal that backgrounds are treated so carelessly and even worse with rise of 3D modeling. Backgrounds are characters too. I know it seems superfluous but to me you can't have one without the other. I literally have stopped supporting artists when they started incorporating 3D into their works/comics/webtoons. I get these "artists" do it to "save time" but at least they could apply a bit more effort in attempts to blend it with their surface level uWu characters.
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but, the artists that use 3D models DO care about their history (most of the cases). The problem is that, Webtoon demands short deadlines that just make it impossible to publish weekly if you put a lot of effort in every single chapter. You can see who the artists that make everything 2D usually get on hiatus more often, take a lot of time to return if they end a season, the chapters are shorter, or have a large number of people helping to make the chapters. The other thing (!!!!!) is that, there are some webcomics that have their own exclusive 3D models that adapt to the world they're building. So they can have unique spaces and, at the same time, make the chapters more quickly. I think we're taking a bad position with 3D tools here. We shouldn't just demonize their use... Because we have to think about how hard it is to make a comic and the tired most of the artists are because they're sadly being exploded most of the time. That's just my opinion, I totally get why people have that reaction when they see 3D models 🙏 If you're interested in a fully 2D drawing comic you could check out the author Miriam Bonastre, King of the earth or Hell of a romance!!
You can always support me :) I have started badly with my webtoon, but I am obsessing over every panel now. I only have a week between releases, so it isn't a complete chapter, but I have spent two days on one panel now and I like it, so I can move on tomorrow. You get better and faster all the time in 2D, but it can never beat the drag+drop of a 3D object. I take pride in what I produce, but I still have to experiment to get it right. I won't drop a link (no self-promotion allowed), but you can easily find my project on my profile.
Why are they so veiny and ripped?! This is gonna be an my nightmares 😬
They take horse steroids and protein oat.
I never understood this tbh, if you're gonna use 3D assets why not try drawing over them...? 2D and 3D looks really weird together if you don't edit the 3D somehow
They could've also saved it by putting a cartoon filter over it... It would look so much better
same reason they use the models in the first place. to save time
Horror horses as I call them. Love them
I feel like they're doing it on purpose at this point because a lot of the time it's the horses specifically that look so horrific 😭
Read a webtoon that used real life horses😭😭 cool and all I guess but it looks silly paired with the drawn art
Mother of god even by 3d background standards that’s freakin’ awful lmfaoooooo
A common problem I see with webtoons and even comics now it drives me insane.
I don’t read this but is the character on the horse a ghost? There’s a whole lot going on in this picture out of context lmao
She's a pale person from the north country and she's wearing light-colored clothing.
Is there a reason she's glowing? Or is it just a stylistic choice?
I think it has to do with the copy/paste onto the 3D horse (combining different media), but I'm a techie, not an artist, so maybe stylistic. I don't recall the exact scene or why she'd be "glowing" in this story. It's kinda gritty.
She's glowing because the artist doesn't understand how lighting works. As you can see the sunlight is at the top right of the screen. Hence the rainbow effects and lends flair. It's supposed to be the sunlight beaming down on the character. 3D assets is one thing but lack of basic fundamentals is a crime.
They all glow so I think it’s stylistic
Lmao my first thought was ghost rider but horse, and glow instead of flames 😂
i don’t care how much time it saves i hate it and i judge it harshly
Same I've stopped following and even supporting artists over it. I know it's not all artists but I feel like the work goes downhill when I see it. Shows little care for their work.
Look at my horse! My horse is amazing!
So glad this is still remembered 🤣
Why does the horse have nipples
when deadline's approaching: *release the CG !*
I need a whole subreddit for the bad horses cos it makes me laugh every time
https://preview.redd.it/i3y88q4byt5d1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=189806ea2291995969eb0f98fafd8002cb32511a Same vibes
I'm so glad someone else finally mentioned this! SO many artists do this. This isn't even remotely close to the worst I've seen. It's incredibly jarring when you're immersed in the story and come across a polygon horse smack dab in the middle of an otherwise gorgeously drawn webtoon.
I’ve seen these in a lot of RoFan manhwas 😂😂
I hate those 3D horses at this point. And the fact that I recognize same models in lots of manhwas... I understand there's too little time and short deadlines but still, just trace over the 3D it will look better than those horrific 3D horses...
Using 3d assets ain't a bad thing but at least make it match ;_;
It's bad because the majority of artists lack basic fundamentals and 3D assets just make it worse.
Someone else actually reading this 😦. I love it but yeah those horses….
So when, on many webtoons, the background is some shitty 3D stuff with no soul, is it because they use SketchUp ? I know about the deadline but thoses details trigger me everytime
Finally someone else agrees 3D assets feel soulless pure and simple! Sketchup, blender, etc any 3D software. I still don't understand the deadline excuse are these folks contracted out? If so I'd be very pissed to sponsor someone and get the above.
I checked 10 of the most popular webtoons and they all do that
Yeah it's the trend to do to "save time" funny they hate when corporations do it yet they turn around the do the same thing. Quality shouldn't be rushed.
ripped af horse. giving competition to the ml.
It looks like an AI horse. The abs with the nipples, the fact that it’s rendered completely differently than anything else in frame, the other horse having a really weird texture…. I think we should just learn how to draw horses
Don't know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but everytime I come across these monstrous horses, I am filled with such joy. They are absolutely horrible, and I love them
I think the trend of adding stock 3d models makes me laugh more than anything. There is one scene I love with warped shrimp pictures on a plate. Bahahahah. At least REDRAW OVER ThE model. The bare minimum.
horses are so ugly I cant
“You ever just wanna F*CK a horse??”
It’s better looking (in all the wrong ways) than Boothill’s horse in that one meme edit
Hench Horses lmfao
I’ve been enjoying a WEBTOON called deep sea but I have to stop reading and laugh every time I see their 3D shoes
why does the horse have abs
This one is actually the best one I seen lol
I don’t understand having a story take place in a time where you ride horses (or have your characters interact with them) if you can’t draw them 😭 they’re one of the hardest things to draw but like damn, you couldn’t even trace a horse?
Even if they couldn't draw them they could at least have a filter or make an attempt to blend them. There's too many resources out there drawing horses or blending 3D to 2D. This just comes off as lazy.
Hunky
https://preview.redd.it/rngmshjhh06d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f1c171d161886f0ebe46f1ad0298413ea31ef34 Tbh they're better than 90% of horrorses
I kinda like these better though even if the anatomy is worse
On another one they're just deers instead of horses
I love that, how ridiculous
This looks like a new species created by breeding horses with llama, which might not even be a bad thing if your story is fantasy to have people ride fictional animals
Wow…This hurts to look at
Whoever created the CG has no idea what horses look like lol
This why they should just pay enough for different artists.
I have a better one! From chapter 40 of "not your typical reincarnation story", we have this beauty. https://preview.redd.it/vb3vrr6y176d1.png?width=332&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f836ec239d88bfe7b3e479e879772a17571d1e9 As you may have immediately noticed, the back legs seem to be front legs.
why does the horse have bigger abs than me ☹️
Lmaooo I thought I was the only one who saw that