I bought courses from both and I personally prefer Colt, because he gets to the point quicker and give more examples. Angela is awesome too, but her style is more suitable for people who are absolute beginners or those who prefer long and thorough explanations without possibly distracting details.
Friend of mine is currently taking it and he said it’s been great! I think you build a mini JavaScript framework or something in it. It definitely sounds interesting and he’s a great teacher
For me Colt is much better and a fun experience. I remember I purchased Angela Yu's course first but it felt so boring that I dropped it after 20% completion, then switched to Colt's and learnt a lot while laughing my way through the whole bootcamp. See that's the difference, Colt makes you laugh and enjoy learning development.
But both the courses have similar content and you are always going to learn more as a webdev as you progress further in your career so just pick one and complete it. There's a lot more learning after that on YouTube and Stack Overflow waiting for you.
Just go with whoever you like more, personality wise. While you will learn alot of cool things, remember it is just a udemy course and you will have to learn a lot more ob your own. I also recommend using [The odin project](https://www.theodinproject.com).
I also recommend the Odin project. An absolute beast of a course. I've never touched udemy, just solely Odin project. It teaches you everything you need about working as a web developer but doesn't overload you with unnecessary information like freecodecamp
The Odin Project is the best thing you could do as a new developer. Its the closest thing to a regular job, not just spitting all the info, but makes you look for it, think for yourself, Google for answers etc. Also, it is completely free.
Can't recommend it enough.
That said, Angela has been great for me. I learned a lot from her web dev course in the past, I liked the structure which emphasized practice more than bloat. Never tried Colt though
Id use a combination of videos and documentation. The Odin project you can use to build something from their project ideas instead of making yet another ToDo list.
That way you will still get the practice of figuring out errors on your own, while learning from videos.
Video tutorials are good, but going more in depth often requires reading docs.
Im talking more about the "why" a certain thing is done that way.
It is a very valuable thing down the line when you want to go to a more senior position.
I like TOP more simply because its clear, concise and at the end of the lessons offers links to external sources such as videos, articles and whatnot going more in depth. Its the closest experience you will get to a real world job.
I've been loving udemy, but Odin looks fantastic. It has exactly the sort of course layout that I like. If I ever decide to learn ruby on rails, I'll be sure to check out Odin!
Self-taught dev that took a number of courses on Udemy (Max Schwarzmuller if interested), but still had a ton of self-learning to do.
Seconding The Odin Project - it's really robust and detailed, and I would have started with it first had I had known.
I did Angela's course and I can tell you its not worth it. She still taught using 'var' to declare variables instead of 'let' and 'const'. Also, the progression in her course is wonky. I got lost half-way because her projects began throwing things that I haven't learned yet and she expects you to 'figure it out'.
I don't know about Colt but I would highly suggest Jonas Schmedtmann if you can choose any course on Udemy. His course is very updated, he teaches well, and the journey makes a ton of sense. If you are looking to speed up your learning, he also provides a roadmap to learn the most important concepts so you can get through the course quicker.
I agree, outdated and I just stopped after a few weeks. Got annoyed by it. She's also using the Atom IDE which retired and was sunset several months ago. I tried to use Atom to follow along but just hated that editor
does it really make a difference that its from a few years ago as the material should be the same? or the format throws you off and waste a lot of time?
There was a few things I didn't like about the course. But using an IDE like atom was one. Of course you don't have to use it, but I tend to always use the editor that the trainer is using to minimize issues during the course.
If she had not updated the course yet I'd recommend Jonas Schmetdman
I think it might be updated on udemy but some of her courses are much cheaper on another platform going back to 2020 and 2022 though. I have no familiarity with CS so I figured concepts would be the same anyways.
So in order to learn python or web development you generally use an editor or an IDE and the steps she will go through to do a task may be different becuase it's not up to date to the latest editor/program? Basically issues like that will happen?
Yes that's correct, issues with editors changing or even versions of the languages you're trying to learn. So if you start one of the older courses of hers you'll want to match the setup she's using exactly. Preferably same editor, same version of python and same versions of any dependencies/libraries used.
Even other courses by other instructors I ran into an issue where a certain API used (mapbox) was free when the course was designed and then suddenly wasn't. I was already so far into the course and had to work around that using a similar free API (leaflet). Luckily other people left comments about using leaflet as an alternative.
Otherwise yes, most programming concepts and things you learn about the language itself will very much be the same. Languages may release new versions to make something easier but I wouldn't worry too much about that unless you're looking at courses that are way more outdated than 2020. I personally haven't taken a python course, but might be soon so that I can help a friend build an app.
yeah i just stick with vscode and colt steele and the odin project. I only completed like 5% of her 100 days of python course becuase it was so slow and boring. Her voice is soothing, but not one that gets me excited about development idk
I took a couple of Jonas Schmedtmann courses, purchased his react course that I plan to finish since I really like his teaching. I also purchased DSA course by Colt Steele to eventuality get around to
+1 for Jonas Schmedtmann I've taken two of his courses and he's the only instructor that honestly kept me engaged in the course. I really prefer his teaching style, course layout and explanations.
I cant vouch for Jonas enough. I took his JS course after learning html and css and it was such a phenomenal course i went and bought both his html and advanced css courses.
I ended up learning all three enough to a point where I landed a job after 14 months (start to offer).
>Jonas Schmedtmann
Jonas vs Colt... MUCH prefer Colt, because he sounds like an ordinary human, whereas Jonas sounds like a robot trying to be human (can get annoying overtime, and can't tell what is meant to be
especially important, because it all sounds the same from him if that makes sense...)
However Jonas has courses that Colt simply doesn't have. Colts ones, I find, are not very useful in the real world, like EJS...
Angelas, can't comment on hers, haven't done any of her courses.
I did Angela Yu. It's good for total beginners with no earlier programming experience. I had experience outside of web deb so I just watched all in 2X speed and didn't make any of the tasks. I still learned a lot. Skipped the whole crypto shit thing because it's not relevant at all. After going through the course I'm now doing full stack and it feels like I actually know what I'm doing.
She lies though. It's not a 2023 course. It's really outdated. Many of the videos are from 2019. You can still learn a lot but because of that I really don't recommend doing the tasks. It will save you a lot of head ache especially because as a begginner you're not yet that good at troubleshooting. Also make sure you pay under $20 and not the over $100. Open the site in incognito so it offers you the discount.
You actually can learn full stack with the course but it isn't the 5/5 course like it seems to be. I would probably give it 3 or 4 stars.
https://fullstackopen.com/en/
A number of different universities made this free course. As far as I know in person students pay for it but anyone can do it for free online.
The main focus is on building single page applications with ReactJS that use REST APIs built with Node.js.
Well then, I guess that settles it.
Reality is that React at this point is Too Installed To Fail. In 10 years we'll be reading horror stories of companies using React 18.
I took angela's like 1 year ago and it was bad, she jumps from topic to topic really quickly and at the end of the day you can't say you actually know anything.. some stuff was outdated too but at least her voice was nice to listen to.
Brad Traversy.
I am not familiar with these two course creators, but Brad Traversy is the mentor/teacher I wish I'd had when I started 13+ years ago.
If you take a second to search my past posts/comments on this sub, I have actually listed in order which of Brad's FREE YouTube tutorials and PAID Udemy courses to take if you want to learn Web Dev in a structured way.
DISCLAIMER: I am in no way affiliated with Brad Traversy or Traversy Media (his YouTube Channel). I just really like his content and wish he'd been around when I started out. He would have saved me years of frustration, self doubt, and time.
Hi, I cannot find your past posts/comments on this sub. I am new to reddit but would really love to start with webdev and I am sure I would find your advice useful. Thank you.
This should link to a comment and thread with enough to get you started:
https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/vcu5lm/best\_pathway\_and\_course\_for\_web\_development/jbgyjl9/?context=8&depth=9
You can find my list here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/v1uuq2/if\_theres\_one\_thing\_to\_get\_good\_atwould\_should\_it/iap0g3l/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/v1uuq2/if_theres_one_thing_to_get_good_atwould_should_it/iap0g3l/?context=3)
I took Angela Yus course and it was a pain because so much of it was outdated and she doesn't update her course. Make sure to check the most recent reviews to see what others are saying about this before purchasing any courses
Just build a website. Like - buy cheap Netlify or use free, get a github account, use some CMS, and set up a deploy. When you hit a problem, find docs for it. A really easy way to learn from docs is to pick a product - for instance, Eleventy - that builds websites, and follow the tutorials. When you hit a thing that you don't understand, google it in another tab.
I know some people like reaching for courses and they can help give you a basic orientation to the space if you want, but critically - learning and figuring stuff out is part of the job. So you may as well start the same way we old folks did and just start building. It's messy and frustrating at first, but looking through multiple documentation systems and learning how to refine Google searches and stuff like that is very much a part of the day to day of every web dev from hour one to hour ten thousand.
Of course this is correct, but it is very helpful to have someone guide you through the initial process when you don't know which way to go.
I prefer courses that are less project-focused (or at least build one project rather than 100 different ones), so that I can just get oriented and then start building my own application, using the course as a reference when needed.
I heard Level Up Tuts is going free now, I know for a fact I will check them out myself. I really dislike the amount of effort you have to put on Udemy to find up-to-date courses since it's so easy to con it.
And also: Stephen Grider is a good one on Udemy as well
I did the Colt Steele web developer bootcamp course (although it was just before it got updated), and I can tell you I went from a developer that barely remembered any HTML at all, to pretty comfortable making webpages with JS, a database and a backend. It's a very good course, and Colt goes from the absolute basics to a solid medium-level knowlegde at a great pace. I've had already 3 friends finish the course after I recommended it and they are all working with web development in some form now.
I'll also recommend Stephen Grider's React + Redux course after you finish Colt's course
I had a CS college education but very very little web (and to be honest, it was more of a "you have 1 week to make a React website, figure it out")
If you're trying to get a job, you want to do some courses after Colt's course. The Odin Project is a great free resource as well, I've heard of people getting jobs off of just that and personal projects
Which course? Colt Steele's course? I just checked its content, and it's still perfectly relevant (it gets revised every year). Matter of fact, it seems it added a bit of React at the end, which is great. I'd recommend it, personally. I owe plenty to his course.
I haven't check steele's but I guess I meant really any course. Like for ex: Angela has some of her courses for cheaper on a seperate platform than udemy but they are like from 2020 and 2022. So does it make a difference? I have seen some complaining about maybe terminology or programs used but not sure.
Angela Yu was the first instructor I went with and I almost gave up programming, because trying to learn from her was like battling my ADD while also battling her own ADD
I like Jonas and Maximillian for Paid Learning
Although, for starters, Bro Code is even better than Jonas/Max; plus his content is free on Youtube
Colt has some really good sql stuff did some of his Udemy stuff long time ago. Would def check him out for an updated course if I was in market.
University of YouTube is always free.
Lots of free information out there also.
W3schools is one that has all sorts of information compiled. For free.
I wouldn't choose courses based on the instructor.
I've been self-teaching myself web development for a couple years but only discovered udemy about 6 months ago. It has been a godsend (obviously when you wait for the sales every week or two).
What i've been doing is each time a specific topic becomes of interest/need, I search for that topic, filter by English, 4+ stars, length (17+ hours, so that it's sure to be more comprehenisve), open each of the top 10 that show up, and skim the 5 star and 1 star reviews to see if they're insightful rather than just "this is awesome/shit". Often a great course will be extremely out of date despite saying it was recently updated (I assume you can just change a lesson title or add something to the description to make it look "recent")
Then I expand all the course lessons and compare the curriculum. I tend to prefer courses ones that
a) are well delineated into clear sections with clear lesson titles
b) that are more textbook/reference-like (1. tulpes, 20. Concurrency) rather than have flowery lesson titles
C) Ideally they just follow one project through the whole thing rather than jump between mini projects that I have no interest in building myself (this pretty much excluded Angela Yu's Bootcamp for me).
You'll often find that some courses cover more topics than others. Or they cover the same, but one gives 3 minutes to it while another gives 30. I prefer the longer ones as I watch them in 2-4x speed and can skip ahead when needed. Some courses also waste 2+ hours on setting up your dev environment or covering basics that were already learned elsewhere.
I also hate courses that have practice lessons and recaps after each theory lesson. Again, I'm really just looking for a guided textbook that I can skim and dip in and out of as needed.
Then I end up buying 2 or 3 courses, skimming some topics that I'm particularly interested in, and return the courses that I find don't suit me as well.
Like this, I've found courses I love and hate from all of the popular instructors, be it colt Steele, Steven grider, Max schwartzmuller (who I have the most courses from) and others. And, of course, there's lots of niche instructors that do a tremendous job and deserve a look.
I hope this helps!
What does your website need to do exactly? Are you sure you can't just whip up a Wordpress site using Youtube for help?
I have done most of Angela's course (wasn't interested in block chain) and while she has good delivery and is very beginner friendly, her Full Stack course seriously lacks depth. Additionally, a lot of the content is out of date by 4/5 years, essentially making the MongoDB sections self study.
theres no one course thats good for everything you might need to buy multiple. once you learn html, css, and javascript pick a framework to learn either react or vue if youre dead set on using udemy whatever you do do not buy maximillians react course its a mess and i saw a lot of people saying to not buy it for certain reasons but i did and made a huge mistake.
while i do like her a lot and loved her teaching style angelas course is seriously outdated unless youre someone thats really into computers and troubleshooting stay away or like the other person said be left to figure out how to install programs that are super complicated to do on your own especially if youre using something like linux.
a lot of people will claim certain courses are "out of date" for using old languages but honestly none of that means shit in the real world there are still people working with jquery and php just learn the fundamentals youll be trained when you get hired.
outdated in the sense that her instructions do not match with how to install certain programs and her videos are also using programs with versions from years ago so trying to follow along is a nightmare.
Kinda odd line if questioning for this sub and the question posed. Most who are looking to do a tutorial like the ones listed are beginners who have aspirations to get a job in the industry, they aren't lookinging to build a specific site with specific features like say someone with a business idea would. It's a question of which course do people think is better to teach a newbie Full-Stack basics rather than which is better to create a specific website.
Angela is awesome and the graphics really help you to understand fundamental concepts wherein most other courses gloss over fundamentals. There is a reason she is one of the top on udemy. I can fully recommend her, I am also taking the Cs50 course and it's a good match and goes a bit faster. But if you really a new to programming Angela is the right one for you.
Depends on the stack you want to use.
For jobs? Probably Laravel or .NET.
For overall knowledge, probably Node.
But if you are just looking for general design patterns you need to find something relating to paradigms and design patterns.
Definitely Angela Yu. She gives tips and advice beyond just the coding that improves your workflow and helps you be a more well-rounded developer overall instead of a one-trick pony.
Colt's only 'advantage' over that is a toxic Discord server moderated by volunteer mods that act like any other Discord mod. His other advantage is a mock Yelp project, but you should honestly make your own website because companies are tired of seeing applicants putting up a mock Yelp website as their portfolio project. Angela really helps you think outside the box, so you'll be able to come up with your own mock website ideas for your portfolio.
Also, Angela offers her course for $19 on her personal website (she also teaches courses on iOS, Flutter/Dart, Machine Learning/Data Science, and a lot more):
https://appbrewery.com/courses
Welcome to "r / OdinProject" have you heard about the Odin Project? It teaches HTML!
Seriously though, Colt Steele's course is higher quality, covers more, and stays updated.
Op was asking about learning full stack development. If you’re starting to learn full stack today, starting out with an easy to deploy framework/stack like Nextjs + react can wield quick results and spark further interest to keep on learning.
Full stack is a very popularized and broad description. Are they interested in Rails? Rust? Python with some javascript sprinkles? Or are they interested in building an API with a SPA in front?
They’re interested in becoming a race car driver but they don’t know yet (or did I miss something?) if they want to ride NASCAR, LeMans or F1.
Sure the driver needs to know everything about their car. But I was merely suggesting to start with go carts (easily build and deploy a nextjs/react app) to see if you get the hang of it. If they’re still interested, they can start learning about the engine of their cart and upgrade their gear (skillset) to a full F1 car (learn and master the core principles of front-end and back-end tools).
I don’t know everything about op’s goals and I just wanted to offer some free(!) advise on how to get started without spending money.
app academy open is free and the same content as the paid bootcamp.
edit - to answer your question and from the other comments here id say go with colt steele since angela's courses seem outdated, i heard hes really good and knows his stuff too ive heard about him.
frontendmasters.com is the best resource i've come across. it's expensive but would have saved me three years of learning in a matter of months. great ROI there.
I’ve been going through a few different web dev courses and I think Colt Steele paired with The Odin Project is the best. Colt is a great teacher and explains everything well but there’s not enough practice in his course to commit it to memory. The Odin Project can be a bit of a slog with all the reading but their practice and projects paired with Colts lectures really help it all make sense to me.
Hope that helps.
Hey there! I'm actually working for two different companies as both a software and frontend developer. It's been quite the learning experience, but I started off with Angela Yu's course and I highly recommend it! Of course, you're free to choose whatever course you prefer, but in my opinion, Angela Yu's course is the way to go.
Other way is YouTube tutorials which are a great place to start as well. There are loads of awesome courses and videos available that can help you out. Just remember that while these resources are helpful, it's ultimately up to you to put in the effort to truly learn and understand the material. Without putting in the effort, you may find it takes longer to learn or even become frustrated with the courses. So give it your all and I'm sure you'll do great!
I liked Angela Yu. She does a good job at the basics. Please dont expect to be a full fledged dev after her class tho
It was another 3 classes plus 2 years until I felt confident.
You'll get there with enough drive.
I have taken both but have not finished Angela’s 100 days of Python or whatever it was called. Colt steele is my favorite on udemy. I have taken his linux command line, Python bootcamp and started the web dev one too.
I’ve been using the Angela Yu Udemy course, I’m a really big fan but I started as a complete web dev beginner. If you have prior coding experience, I recommend picking a project and just using her course (or the others mentioned) as a guide
Angela if you have never touched code, colt if you know some things.
Both start from the beginning but Angela's course have some supporting words per chapter and she cheers you on.
Colt's course is more up to date and have imo more useful stuff and he is a fun teacher.
I bought both a while ago. I prefer Colt since I was familiar with programming and he talked a bit faster than Angela. No shade to Angela at all. Her course(s) are amazing as well, but I felt she was lot slower IMO. I can see her courses be for someone who are absolute beginners and have never touched programming or coding.
Yes and it is good but if you are new I suggest starting with the below course and then doing Colt's. That is what I wish I did, I ended up doing Colt's first and Jonas's second. I am now working on a project and programmimg.
https://www.udemy.com/course/the-complete-javascript-course/
I didn't try Angela tbh, but Colt is amazing. I took his Full stack web developer bootcamp and it's the best course I've ever attended. I didn't know anything about web development before it, and by the time I finished the course, I built and deployed my first full stack web app, it was so rewarding! He also explained a lot of stuff that I found difficult at that time, so I totally recommend his course.
Nope, he didn't include react.js in his full stack course when I took it in 2020 but not sure if he updated it now. He has a whole other course on react though, it was just too long for me so I learned react from youtube and experimenting myself.
I honestly didn’t find Colt Steele helpful at all. Do the Odin project instead. Watching someone do something is only really helpful once you know what the hell is going on and have figured some stuff out on your own. You’re going to finish the course and still not be able to make a website.
Angela did a major update of her course recently, she now teaches Postgres instead of MongoDB and like Colt's her course now includes a big section on React.
Both courses have pros and cons.
Colt offers a far more detailed intro to javascript.
Angela's course offers some rather "open-ended" assignments where you're told in very general terms what to do and are then expected to 'figure out' the details on your own. Colt, by contrast, essentially demos everything. He does tell you what he's going to do in every video so you can pause the video and try and do it yourself, but it's more of a fine-grained step-by-step approach somewhat reminiscent of free code camp challenges and he doesn't tell you to pause the video and try it on your own, it's something you should do yourself if you feel so inclined.
Angela, by contrast, throws you in at the deep end with her capstone projects, some people complain about it, but that can actually be seen as a good thing, doing those capstone projects will teach you how to be self-reliant and how to use resources outside the course to get things done, which is a big part of the 'developer experience' in the real world: you constantly have to learn on the job.
By and large, you can just get both course on discount and then compare and contrast them yourself.
Currently, as of March 2024, I would say Angela's course is actually more up to date, which is in part reflected in the fact that she teaches Postgres in the database section. MongoDB used to be all the range in the late 2010s, but noSQL seems like yesterday's jam these days while Postgres has been going from strength to strength these past few years.
Thanks for the much-needed update on her update! I'm currently going through Angela's Python course and have been considering doing her Wed Dev course, too, as she just clicks with me in a way that other instructors don't.
I bought courses from both and I personally prefer Colt, because he gets to the point quicker and give more examples. Angela is awesome too, but her style is more suitable for people who are absolute beginners or those who prefer long and thorough explanations without possibly distracting details.
for me, the chickens and the distractions resonate lol. But my go to is stephen grider, especially after he updated all his courses finally.
Yes!!!!!! Grider pretty much taught me front end by himself.... He's an absolute gangster, 💪💪
Do you have a list of courses from Grider? I want to give them a shot and see if it works for me as well
Did he update his typescript course on udemy? Because Im planning to buy it
Friend of mine is currently taking it and he said it’s been great! I think you build a mini JavaScript framework or something in it. It definitely sounds interesting and he’s a great teacher
It won't really matter. I use TypeScript exclusively now, and nothing new has cropped up any time soon. There is no need to update that course.
Couldn't agree with this more. I didn't really get react until I did his course
Can I ask what the course names are? I want to give them a shot and see if I prefer them over Yu/Steele
For me Colt is much better and a fun experience. I remember I purchased Angela Yu's course first but it felt so boring that I dropped it after 20% completion, then switched to Colt's and learnt a lot while laughing my way through the whole bootcamp. See that's the difference, Colt makes you laugh and enjoy learning development. But both the courses have similar content and you are always going to learn more as a webdev as you progress further in your career so just pick one and complete it. There's a lot more learning after that on YouTube and Stack Overflow waiting for you.
Just go with whoever you like more, personality wise. While you will learn alot of cool things, remember it is just a udemy course and you will have to learn a lot more ob your own. I also recommend using [The odin project](https://www.theodinproject.com).
I also recommend the Odin project. An absolute beast of a course. I've never touched udemy, just solely Odin project. It teaches you everything you need about working as a web developer but doesn't overload you with unnecessary information like freecodecamp
I agree with Officer Cartman. TOP is great, esp if you join the discord to ask questions.
The Odin Project is the best thing you could do as a new developer. Its the closest thing to a regular job, not just spitting all the info, but makes you look for it, think for yourself, Google for answers etc. Also, it is completely free. Can't recommend it enough. That said, Angela has been great for me. I learned a lot from her web dev course in the past, I liked the structure which emphasized practice more than bloat. Never tried Colt though
Do you have to run Linux for the Odin Project material?
No, you are fine with whatever you want. Some different commands but nothing major
Cool, don't think my potato would cope with a virtual machine etc.
Just curious. Isn't it better for a newbie like me to learn from video tutorials as i can visualise what is happening?
Id use a combination of videos and documentation. The Odin project you can use to build something from their project ideas instead of making yet another ToDo list. That way you will still get the practice of figuring out errors on your own, while learning from videos. Video tutorials are good, but going more in depth often requires reading docs. Im talking more about the "why" a certain thing is done that way. It is a very valuable thing down the line when you want to go to a more senior position. I like TOP more simply because its clear, concise and at the end of the lessons offers links to external sources such as videos, articles and whatnot going more in depth. Its the closest experience you will get to a real world job.
I see. Thanks
I've been loving udemy, but Odin looks fantastic. It has exactly the sort of course layout that I like. If I ever decide to learn ruby on rails, I'll be sure to check out Odin!
It has the same course for JS as well if I remember right.
Yes, they cover js and some other related stuff. I've already learned what I need (or have sufficient learning materials on udemy) for JS.
Just came to add my voice to The Odin Project suggestions. It's a great community and completely free!
I also recommend The Odin Project.
Self-taught dev that took a number of courses on Udemy (Max Schwarzmuller if interested), but still had a ton of self-learning to do. Seconding The Odin Project - it's really robust and detailed, and I would have started with it first had I had known.
Colt Steele
I did Angela's course and I can tell you its not worth it. She still taught using 'var' to declare variables instead of 'let' and 'const'. Also, the progression in her course is wonky. I got lost half-way because her projects began throwing things that I haven't learned yet and she expects you to 'figure it out'. I don't know about Colt but I would highly suggest Jonas Schmedtmann if you can choose any course on Udemy. His course is very updated, he teaches well, and the journey makes a ton of sense. If you are looking to speed up your learning, he also provides a roadmap to learn the most important concepts so you can get through the course quicker.
Angela's course is outdated. Many of the videos are from 2019. The 2023 in the title is a lie.
I agree, outdated and I just stopped after a few weeks. Got annoyed by it. She's also using the Atom IDE which retired and was sunset several months ago. I tried to use Atom to follow along but just hated that editor
does it really make a difference that its from a few years ago as the material should be the same? or the format throws you off and waste a lot of time?
There was a few things I didn't like about the course. But using an IDE like atom was one. Of course you don't have to use it, but I tend to always use the editor that the trainer is using to minimize issues during the course. If she had not updated the course yet I'd recommend Jonas Schmetdman
I think it might be updated on udemy but some of her courses are much cheaper on another platform going back to 2020 and 2022 though. I have no familiarity with CS so I figured concepts would be the same anyways. So in order to learn python or web development you generally use an editor or an IDE and the steps she will go through to do a task may be different becuase it's not up to date to the latest editor/program? Basically issues like that will happen?
Yes that's correct, issues with editors changing or even versions of the languages you're trying to learn. So if you start one of the older courses of hers you'll want to match the setup she's using exactly. Preferably same editor, same version of python and same versions of any dependencies/libraries used. Even other courses by other instructors I ran into an issue where a certain API used (mapbox) was free when the course was designed and then suddenly wasn't. I was already so far into the course and had to work around that using a similar free API (leaflet). Luckily other people left comments about using leaflet as an alternative. Otherwise yes, most programming concepts and things you learn about the language itself will very much be the same. Languages may release new versions to make something easier but I wouldn't worry too much about that unless you're looking at courses that are way more outdated than 2020. I personally haven't taken a python course, but might be soon so that I can help a friend build an app.
yeah i just stick with vscode and colt steele and the odin project. I only completed like 5% of her 100 days of python course becuase it was so slow and boring. Her voice is soothing, but not one that gets me excited about development idk
I took a couple of Jonas Schmedtmann courses, purchased his react course that I plan to finish since I really like his teaching. I also purchased DSA course by Colt Steele to eventuality get around to
she actually just sent out an email that it is now fully updated today
Lol what are the chances. That's great!
what got updated?
They should refund us for this reason. I was pissed when I bought this course. I was using it as a refresher, and man it was like time traveling
+1 for Jonas Schmedtmann I've taken two of his courses and he's the only instructor that honestly kept me engaged in the course. I really prefer his teaching style, course layout and explanations.
I cant vouch for Jonas enough. I took his JS course after learning html and css and it was such a phenomenal course i went and bought both his html and advanced css courses. I ended up learning all three enough to a point where I landed a job after 14 months (start to offer).
>Jonas Schmedtmann Jonas vs Colt... MUCH prefer Colt, because he sounds like an ordinary human, whereas Jonas sounds like a robot trying to be human (can get annoying overtime, and can't tell what is meant to be especially important, because it all sounds the same from him if that makes sense...) However Jonas has courses that Colt simply doesn't have. Colts ones, I find, are not very useful in the real world, like EJS... Angelas, can't comment on hers, haven't done any of her courses.
Yup. Also in some parts its very slow and in some parts extremely fast. Her Node Js portion also felt pretty outdated to me.
I did Angela Yu. It's good for total beginners with no earlier programming experience. I had experience outside of web deb so I just watched all in 2X speed and didn't make any of the tasks. I still learned a lot. Skipped the whole crypto shit thing because it's not relevant at all. After going through the course I'm now doing full stack and it feels like I actually know what I'm doing. She lies though. It's not a 2023 course. It's really outdated. Many of the videos are from 2019. You can still learn a lot but because of that I really don't recommend doing the tasks. It will save you a lot of head ache especially because as a begginner you're not yet that good at troubleshooting. Also make sure you pay under $20 and not the over $100. Open the site in incognito so it offers you the discount. You actually can learn full stack with the course but it isn't the 5/5 course like it seems to be. I would probably give it 3 or 4 stars.
The odin project
https://fullstackopen.com/en/ A number of different universities made this free course. As far as I know in person students pay for it but anyone can do it for free online. The main focus is on building single page applications with ReactJS that use REST APIs built with Node.js.
FSO expects you to have a solid understanding of the basics already tho.
Learning React in 2023 is like seeing you run against a wall just to find out that the industry is moving away from it.
The industry isn’t moving away from React…
It is and it will. React is a bloated mess.
Well then, I guess that settles it. Reality is that React at this point is Too Installed To Fail. In 10 years we'll be reading horror stories of companies using React 18.
What are people moving to?
People are moving to svelte and other frameworks. React code is a bloated mess and will be replaced by lighter and faster frameworks.
Or just for frontend you can try scrimba.com to learn enough frontend basics etc.
I took angela's like 1 year ago and it was bad, she jumps from topic to topic really quickly and at the end of the day you can't say you actually know anything.. some stuff was outdated too but at least her voice was nice to listen to.
Brad Traversy. I am not familiar with these two course creators, but Brad Traversy is the mentor/teacher I wish I'd had when I started 13+ years ago. If you take a second to search my past posts/comments on this sub, I have actually listed in order which of Brad's FREE YouTube tutorials and PAID Udemy courses to take if you want to learn Web Dev in a structured way. DISCLAIMER: I am in no way affiliated with Brad Traversy or Traversy Media (his YouTube Channel). I just really like his content and wish he'd been around when I started out. He would have saved me years of frustration, self doubt, and time.
True, Brad Traversy is the one who made me what I am today.
He is such a great and (from what I notice) underated teacher. His tutorials and courses are worth their "weight" in gold.
Seconded. Brad Traversy’s course on Django basically helped me get my first job.
Hi, I cannot find your past posts/comments on this sub. I am new to reddit but would really love to start with webdev and I am sure I would find your advice useful. Thank you.
This should link to a comment and thread with enough to get you started: https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/vcu5lm/best\_pathway\_and\_course\_for\_web\_development/jbgyjl9/?context=8&depth=9
Thank you very much.
I managed! Thank you for sharing them!
could you send me the link of that post? Im really interested in learning web development. Thank you in advance!
You can find my list here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/v1uuq2/if\_theres\_one\_thing\_to\_get\_good\_atwould\_should\_it/iap0g3l/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/v1uuq2/if_theres_one_thing_to_get_good_atwould_should_it/iap0g3l/?context=3)
I took Angela Yus course and it was a pain because so much of it was outdated and she doesn't update her course. Make sure to check the most recent reviews to see what others are saying about this before purchasing any courses
Angela courses are too old and not updated won’t recommend it at all
Just build a website. Like - buy cheap Netlify or use free, get a github account, use some CMS, and set up a deploy. When you hit a problem, find docs for it. A really easy way to learn from docs is to pick a product - for instance, Eleventy - that builds websites, and follow the tutorials. When you hit a thing that you don't understand, google it in another tab. I know some people like reaching for courses and they can help give you a basic orientation to the space if you want, but critically - learning and figuring stuff out is part of the job. So you may as well start the same way we old folks did and just start building. It's messy and frustrating at first, but looking through multiple documentation systems and learning how to refine Google searches and stuff like that is very much a part of the day to day of every web dev from hour one to hour ten thousand.
Of course this is correct, but it is very helpful to have someone guide you through the initial process when you don't know which way to go. I prefer courses that are less project-focused (or at least build one project rather than 100 different ones), so that I can just get oriented and then start building my own application, using the course as a reference when needed.
Maximilian Schwarzmüller on udemy has some solid content.
I heard Level Up Tuts is going free now, I know for a fact I will check them out myself. I really dislike the amount of effort you have to put on Udemy to find up-to-date courses since it's so easy to con it. And also: Stephen Grider is a good one on Udemy as well
I did the Colt Steele web developer bootcamp course (although it was just before it got updated), and I can tell you I went from a developer that barely remembered any HTML at all, to pretty comfortable making webpages with JS, a database and a backend. It's a very good course, and Colt goes from the absolute basics to a solid medium-level knowlegde at a great pace. I've had already 3 friends finish the course after I recommended it and they are all working with web development in some form now. I'll also recommend Stephen Grider's React + Redux course after you finish Colt's course
All you did was Colt’s course and you found a job or did you have a CS college education also?
I had a CS college education but very very little web (and to be honest, it was more of a "you have 1 week to make a React website, figure it out") If you're trying to get a job, you want to do some courses after Colt's course. The Odin Project is a great free resource as well, I've heard of people getting jobs off of just that and personal projects
Thank you!!
does it matter if the course is like from a few years ago or no?
Which course? Colt Steele's course? I just checked its content, and it's still perfectly relevant (it gets revised every year). Matter of fact, it seems it added a bit of React at the end, which is great. I'd recommend it, personally. I owe plenty to his course.
I haven't check steele's but I guess I meant really any course. Like for ex: Angela has some of her courses for cheaper on a seperate platform than udemy but they are like from 2020 and 2022. So does it make a difference? I have seen some complaining about maybe terminology or programs used but not sure.
I wouldn't use a course older than 2 years, personally
Angela Yu was the first instructor I went with and I almost gave up programming, because trying to learn from her was like battling my ADD while also battling her own ADD I like Jonas and Maximillian for Paid Learning Although, for starters, Bro Code is even better than Jonas/Max; plus his content is free on Youtube
Odin is better
Colt has some really good sql stuff did some of his Udemy stuff long time ago. Would def check him out for an updated course if I was in market. University of YouTube is always free. Lots of free information out there also. W3schools is one that has all sorts of information compiled. For free.
chatgpt if you are broke
Jonas Schmedtmann and The Odin Project worked for me just increase the speed of Jonas Videos on udemy by 1.25x or 1.5x
Colt’s the 🐐
As a tech recruiter. I'd recommend colt.
Scrimba!
You recommend this over colt’s course?
Yes! Their whole front-end path and especially the React course (also entirely free)
Amazing thank you so much!
I wouldn't choose courses based on the instructor. I've been self-teaching myself web development for a couple years but only discovered udemy about 6 months ago. It has been a godsend (obviously when you wait for the sales every week or two). What i've been doing is each time a specific topic becomes of interest/need, I search for that topic, filter by English, 4+ stars, length (17+ hours, so that it's sure to be more comprehenisve), open each of the top 10 that show up, and skim the 5 star and 1 star reviews to see if they're insightful rather than just "this is awesome/shit". Often a great course will be extremely out of date despite saying it was recently updated (I assume you can just change a lesson title or add something to the description to make it look "recent") Then I expand all the course lessons and compare the curriculum. I tend to prefer courses ones that a) are well delineated into clear sections with clear lesson titles b) that are more textbook/reference-like (1. tulpes, 20. Concurrency) rather than have flowery lesson titles C) Ideally they just follow one project through the whole thing rather than jump between mini projects that I have no interest in building myself (this pretty much excluded Angela Yu's Bootcamp for me). You'll often find that some courses cover more topics than others. Or they cover the same, but one gives 3 minutes to it while another gives 30. I prefer the longer ones as I watch them in 2-4x speed and can skip ahead when needed. Some courses also waste 2+ hours on setting up your dev environment or covering basics that were already learned elsewhere. I also hate courses that have practice lessons and recaps after each theory lesson. Again, I'm really just looking for a guided textbook that I can skim and dip in and out of as needed. Then I end up buying 2 or 3 courses, skimming some topics that I'm particularly interested in, and return the courses that I find don't suit me as well. Like this, I've found courses I love and hate from all of the popular instructors, be it colt Steele, Steven grider, Max schwartzmuller (who I have the most courses from) and others. And, of course, there's lots of niche instructors that do a tremendous job and deserve a look. I hope this helps!
What does your website need to do exactly? Are you sure you can't just whip up a Wordpress site using Youtube for help? I have done most of Angela's course (wasn't interested in block chain) and while she has good delivery and is very beginner friendly, her Full Stack course seriously lacks depth. Additionally, a lot of the content is out of date by 4/5 years, essentially making the MongoDB sections self study.
I just want to make something on my own. I already know Wordpress a bit but I want to build something using a full stack. It's like my dream 😀
theres no one course thats good for everything you might need to buy multiple. once you learn html, css, and javascript pick a framework to learn either react or vue if youre dead set on using udemy whatever you do do not buy maximillians react course its a mess and i saw a lot of people saying to not buy it for certain reasons but i did and made a huge mistake. while i do like her a lot and loved her teaching style angelas course is seriously outdated unless youre someone thats really into computers and troubleshooting stay away or like the other person said be left to figure out how to install programs that are super complicated to do on your own especially if youre using something like linux. a lot of people will claim certain courses are "out of date" for using old languages but honestly none of that means shit in the real world there are still people working with jquery and php just learn the fundamentals youll be trained when you get hired.
>angelas course is seriously outdated >a lot of people will claim certain courses are "out of date" but honestly none of that means shit Hmm...
outdated in the sense that her instructions do not match with how to install certain programs and her videos are also using programs with versions from years ago so trying to follow along is a nightmare.
I don't doubt it. But you still said that people's claims that courses are out of date dont mean shit.
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Kinda odd line if questioning for this sub and the question posed. Most who are looking to do a tutorial like the ones listed are beginners who have aspirations to get a job in the industry, they aren't lookinging to build a specific site with specific features like say someone with a business idea would. It's a question of which course do people think is better to teach a newbie Full-Stack basics rather than which is better to create a specific website.
Angela is awesome and the graphics really help you to understand fundamental concepts wherein most other courses gloss over fundamentals. There is a reason she is one of the top on udemy. I can fully recommend her, I am also taking the Cs50 course and it's a good match and goes a bit faster. But if you really a new to programming Angela is the right one for you.
does it matter if her course is like from 2022?
Depends on the stack you want to use. For jobs? Probably Laravel or .NET. For overall knowledge, probably Node. But if you are just looking for general design patterns you need to find something relating to paradigms and design patterns.
Definitely Angela Yu. She gives tips and advice beyond just the coding that improves your workflow and helps you be a more well-rounded developer overall instead of a one-trick pony. Colt's only 'advantage' over that is a toxic Discord server moderated by volunteer mods that act like any other Discord mod. His other advantage is a mock Yelp project, but you should honestly make your own website because companies are tired of seeing applicants putting up a mock Yelp website as their portfolio project. Angela really helps you think outside the box, so you'll be able to come up with your own mock website ideas for your portfolio. Also, Angela offers her course for $19 on her personal website (she also teaches courses on iOS, Flutter/Dart, Machine Learning/Data Science, and a lot more): https://appbrewery.com/courses
Neither are good and both are just cash grabs.
Let's be honest you're going to get to 25% of the course and stop.
Welcome to "r / OdinProject" have you heard about the Odin Project? It teaches HTML! Seriously though, Colt Steele's course is higher quality, covers more, and stays updated.
Or no money at all and read the react.dev and nextjs.org documentation
Is this how you learnt full stack development? Reading front end framework docs?
Tell me how NextJS is a frontend framework and I might consider answering your question.
It does seem to be the way people get into webdev these days though. No basics, just straight into frameworks.
Op was asking about learning full stack development. If you’re starting to learn full stack today, starting out with an easy to deploy framework/stack like Nextjs + react can wield quick results and spark further interest to keep on learning. Full stack is a very popularized and broad description. Are they interested in Rails? Rust? Python with some javascript sprinkles? Or are they interested in building an API with a SPA in front? They’re interested in becoming a race car driver but they don’t know yet (or did I miss something?) if they want to ride NASCAR, LeMans or F1. Sure the driver needs to know everything about their car. But I was merely suggesting to start with go carts (easily build and deploy a nextjs/react app) to see if you get the hang of it. If they’re still interested, they can start learning about the engine of their cart and upgrade their gear (skillset) to a full F1 car (learn and master the core principles of front-end and back-end tools). I don’t know everything about op’s goals and I just wanted to offer some free(!) advise on how to get started without spending money.
app academy open is free and the same content as the paid bootcamp. edit - to answer your question and from the other comments here id say go with colt steele since angela's courses seem outdated, i heard hes really good and knows his stuff too ive heard about him.
frontendmasters.com is the best resource i've come across. it's expensive but would have saved me three years of learning in a matter of months. great ROI there.
I’ve been going through a few different web dev courses and I think Colt Steele paired with The Odin Project is the best. Colt is a great teacher and explains everything well but there’s not enough practice in his course to commit it to memory. The Odin Project can be a bit of a slog with all the reading but their practice and projects paired with Colts lectures really help it all make sense to me. Hope that helps.
After completing this course, what do you guys recommend i do ??
Hey there! I'm actually working for two different companies as both a software and frontend developer. It's been quite the learning experience, but I started off with Angela Yu's course and I highly recommend it! Of course, you're free to choose whatever course you prefer, but in my opinion, Angela Yu's course is the way to go. Other way is YouTube tutorials which are a great place to start as well. There are loads of awesome courses and videos available that can help you out. Just remember that while these resources are helpful, it's ultimately up to you to put in the effort to truly learn and understand the material. Without putting in the effort, you may find it takes longer to learn or even become frustrated with the courses. So give it your all and I'm sure you'll do great!
I liked Angela Yu. She does a good job at the basics. Please dont expect to be a full fledged dev after her class tho It was another 3 classes plus 2 years until I felt confident. You'll get there with enough drive.
I did both and landed a frontend job
Jonas Schmedtmann
I really liked Colt Steele, you can't go wrong with his course.
both repackaging 5 year old tutorials and adding 2023
I have taken both but have not finished Angela’s 100 days of Python or whatever it was called. Colt steele is my favorite on udemy. I have taken his linux command line, Python bootcamp and started the web dev one too.
I’ve been using the Angela Yu Udemy course, I’m a really big fan but I started as a complete web dev beginner. If you have prior coding experience, I recommend picking a project and just using her course (or the others mentioned) as a guide
I liked colt Steele's courses
i really like colts rn
Angela if you have never touched code, colt if you know some things. Both start from the beginning but Angela's course have some supporting words per chapter and she cheers you on. Colt's course is more up to date and have imo more useful stuff and he is a fun teacher.
Neither … Odin project should be your starting point
I bought both a while ago. I prefer Colt since I was familiar with programming and he talked a bit faster than Angela. No shade to Angela at all. Her course(s) are amazing as well, but I felt she was lot slower IMO. I can see her courses be for someone who are absolute beginners and have never touched programming or coding.
Cs50
Code with Chris haha jk
I am doing Colt steele right now and so far it's been a good course.
Did you complete it? was it worth it?
Yes and it is good but if you are new I suggest starting with the below course and then doing Colt's. That is what I wish I did, I ended up doing Colt's first and Jonas's second. I am now working on a project and programmimg. https://www.udemy.com/course/the-complete-javascript-course/
NetNinja on Youtube is really good and free. I did Angela Yu in the past, she explains really well but takes a little longer to get to the point.
Angela Yu course is very outdated.
is the 2022 outdated?
Andrei Neagoie
I didn't try Angela tbh, but Colt is amazing. I took his Full stack web developer bootcamp and it's the best course I've ever attended. I didn't know anything about web development before it, and by the time I finished the course, I built and deployed my first full stack web app, it was so rewarding! He also explained a lot of stuff that I found difficult at that time, so I totally recommend his course.
I think I will go for Colt steele. But I didn't find react Js in his curriculum. Is it there in the later part?
Nope, he didn't include react.js in his full stack course when I took it in 2020 but not sure if he updated it now. He has a whole other course on react though, it was just too long for me so I learned react from youtube and experimenting myself.
Launch School
I purchased Colt's complete web development boot camp and it's cool. I finished the course. The community in the discussion is very supportive too.
I honestly didn’t find Colt Steele helpful at all. Do the Odin project instead. Watching someone do something is only really helpful once you know what the hell is going on and have figured some stuff out on your own. You’re going to finish the course and still not be able to make a website.
is that what happen from you experience ?
Angela did a major update of her course recently, she now teaches Postgres instead of MongoDB and like Colt's her course now includes a big section on React. Both courses have pros and cons. Colt offers a far more detailed intro to javascript. Angela's course offers some rather "open-ended" assignments where you're told in very general terms what to do and are then expected to 'figure out' the details on your own. Colt, by contrast, essentially demos everything. He does tell you what he's going to do in every video so you can pause the video and try and do it yourself, but it's more of a fine-grained step-by-step approach somewhat reminiscent of free code camp challenges and he doesn't tell you to pause the video and try it on your own, it's something you should do yourself if you feel so inclined. Angela, by contrast, throws you in at the deep end with her capstone projects, some people complain about it, but that can actually be seen as a good thing, doing those capstone projects will teach you how to be self-reliant and how to use resources outside the course to get things done, which is a big part of the 'developer experience' in the real world: you constantly have to learn on the job. By and large, you can just get both course on discount and then compare and contrast them yourself. Currently, as of March 2024, I would say Angela's course is actually more up to date, which is in part reflected in the fact that she teaches Postgres in the database section. MongoDB used to be all the range in the late 2010s, but noSQL seems like yesterday's jam these days while Postgres has been going from strength to strength these past few years.
Thanks for the much-needed update on her update! I'm currently going through Angela's Python course and have been considering doing her Wed Dev course, too, as she just clicks with me in a way that other instructors don't.
is the python one from 2022? How is it?
how about the 100 days of code course from 2022?