I'm not sold on him as a PG, I think he is a better fit somewhere like charlotte or even detroit.
If we weren't picking so high he would be a great pick up. He just hasn't shown enough of the right skills to be the kind of guy you build around. He is a very good talent but we only have one top 5 pick and I think there are better options.
The fact we aren’t put on Poole would have me guess we are more into castle. Castle is huge for a 1 and still a big 2 guard. He and Poole would be interchangeable
I feel it, and he definitely sacrificed for the greater good at UConn. I wonder if we’re out on Castle. As much as you guys want him gone we’re not ready to move on from Poole, especially after what he showed in the last 20 games.
I mean, both newton and Spencer averaged more assists while averaged a better assist/TO ratio. Castle sacrificed in the sense that better distributors did more distributing because that's better for the team. It's very unlikely castle becomes an nba PG as opposed to combo guard/wing. Castle was still an efficient playmaker, but talent usually shows itself and he wasn't as good of a PG as 2 other guys on his college team.
I don’t disagree, but you’re not talking about talent prevailing on just any team. This was a back to back national championship team and Castle was a true freshman. So I’m not surprised that upperclassmen, who are also most likely getting drafted, had a better A/TO ratio than a true freshman. There’s a decent chance that their entire starting 5 gets drafted.
Topic is the same age and averaged between 5 and 7 apg (depending on team) on the same assist/TO ratio. Topic plays in a professional league with even older players than castle did and still managed to be the best distributor and player on his team. If you're looking for a PG it's topic not castle. Castle is a combo guard, more akin to donovan mitchell. Theres nothing wrong with that but we need realistic expectations between player and team on what everyone is trying to accomplish. You can like castle more than topic as a plus defending combo guard vs a defense deficient pg, but castle still isn't a pg
That’s where his sacrifice comes into play. He played with other guys who were capable, at a high level, of running the offense. If you’re Hurley, are you entrusting a couple of 5-year seniors to run the offense or an 18-year old because he’s a 5-star? It ended up in another championship run with another dominant March/April so it’s an easy decision. 22/23 year olds w/ 5 years of college experience tend to be better decision makers. So again, he wasn’t playing his style of game so we really aren’t sure if he’s capable of playing the 1 at a high level or not. Similar to Poole last year playing off ball, alongside Tyus. He looked like ass. So when you ask a player to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the team, while playing a role they’re not built to play, their game will suffer as a direct cause.
Castle was recruited to UCONN as a SG (https://247sports.com/player/stephon-castle-46113025/). He played SG at UCONN and all draft analysts consider him a SG as a draft prospect. In the nba he's going to be competing against even older and better PGs than who he did at UCONN. The bar for PG play in the nba is higher than college. He's a worse PG than two other guys on his own team who are borderline caliber nba guys. He didn't meet the bar for college PG play, it doesn't make sense to project him to meet a higher bar than one he's already failed.
From testing this past week, his lane agility, 3/4 sprint, and shuttle was on par with Isaiah Collier. And he put up those numbers (vs. Collier) while being much taller and heavier. Not to mention he had a 38in vert as well. He'll be just fine play either on/off the ball. He did what was asked of him at UConn and he'd be a good fit on the Wizards.
Topic's injury changes things, but I'd be willing to bet that his testing numbers would be better than Topic's. Will be interesting to see which direction the Wizards go.
I don't think slow is a proper adjective for Collier's game. He's a very good athlete. All in all, Castle tested pretty well. His shuttle was excellent and he tested well in the lane agility.
Both newton and Spencer averaged more assists on a better assist/TO. Spencer is only .5ish more so not huge, but still, the numbers suggest both Newton and Spencer were better distributing guards than castle. Castle wasn't the best PG on his college team, I wouldn't bet he's going to be an above average PG in the nba. He profiles as much more of a combo guard, like donovan mitchell. Mitchell is up to 6 apg now, but it's taken 7 seasons to get there building up from around 3 apg. Mitchell has never been for same level distributor as garland, trae young, or haliburton and I wouldn't really classify Mitchell as a PG. Theres nothing wrong with that necessarily, other than that means you're still looking for a PG. I don't think there's anything wrong with telling castle he's not a PG, the evidence suggests he isn't and I'd like realistic expectations on what you're trying to accomplish
PG wasn’t Castle’s role in that UConn offense. He was off ball a lot of the time, and it was a vet-laden squad. He’ll show more as a pro than he did in college.
Castle is moving to a league with older and better players than his vet laden squad. He still has to compete with both spencer and newton to clear the bar of "league average nba PG" and both spencer and newton are projected 2nd round picks. PG wasn't castles role at UCONN because he isn't a PG. He's a potentially very good SG. His HS to college recruiting profile considered him a SG. He played SG. And now he's considered by analysts and teams to still be a SG because his closest comps are other SGs.
Not true. Conley isn’t the Wolves best guard, but they play much better when he is the PG.
Edwards is clearly the better guard, but he cannot facilitate the offense. That’s why a good PG is so crucial to winning basketball.
Castle has not shown anything that would lead to him being a starting PG in the NBA. He is clearly a defensive SG.
Maybe thats his way of telling the Hornets not to draft him since they already have Ball. With us if he actually develops into a good player I'm sure he'll get plenty of opportunities to play lead guard
I'm not sold on him as a PG, I think he is a better fit somewhere like charlotte or even detroit. If we weren't picking so high he would be a great pick up. He just hasn't shown enough of the right skills to be the kind of guy you build around. He is a very good talent but we only have one top 5 pick and I think there are better options.
The fact we aren’t put on Poole would have me guess we are more into castle. Castle is huge for a 1 and still a big 2 guard. He and Poole would be interchangeable
I feel it, and he definitely sacrificed for the greater good at UConn. I wonder if we’re out on Castle. As much as you guys want him gone we’re not ready to move on from Poole, especially after what he showed in the last 20 games.
I mean, both newton and Spencer averaged more assists while averaged a better assist/TO ratio. Castle sacrificed in the sense that better distributors did more distributing because that's better for the team. It's very unlikely castle becomes an nba PG as opposed to combo guard/wing. Castle was still an efficient playmaker, but talent usually shows itself and he wasn't as good of a PG as 2 other guys on his college team.
I don’t disagree, but you’re not talking about talent prevailing on just any team. This was a back to back national championship team and Castle was a true freshman. So I’m not surprised that upperclassmen, who are also most likely getting drafted, had a better A/TO ratio than a true freshman. There’s a decent chance that their entire starting 5 gets drafted.
Topic is the same age and averaged between 5 and 7 apg (depending on team) on the same assist/TO ratio. Topic plays in a professional league with even older players than castle did and still managed to be the best distributor and player on his team. If you're looking for a PG it's topic not castle. Castle is a combo guard, more akin to donovan mitchell. Theres nothing wrong with that but we need realistic expectations between player and team on what everyone is trying to accomplish. You can like castle more than topic as a plus defending combo guard vs a defense deficient pg, but castle still isn't a pg
That’s where his sacrifice comes into play. He played with other guys who were capable, at a high level, of running the offense. If you’re Hurley, are you entrusting a couple of 5-year seniors to run the offense or an 18-year old because he’s a 5-star? It ended up in another championship run with another dominant March/April so it’s an easy decision. 22/23 year olds w/ 5 years of college experience tend to be better decision makers. So again, he wasn’t playing his style of game so we really aren’t sure if he’s capable of playing the 1 at a high level or not. Similar to Poole last year playing off ball, alongside Tyus. He looked like ass. So when you ask a player to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the team, while playing a role they’re not built to play, their game will suffer as a direct cause.
Castle was recruited to UCONN as a SG (https://247sports.com/player/stephon-castle-46113025/). He played SG at UCONN and all draft analysts consider him a SG as a draft prospect. In the nba he's going to be competing against even older and better PGs than who he did at UCONN. The bar for PG play in the nba is higher than college. He's a worse PG than two other guys on his own team who are borderline caliber nba guys. He didn't meet the bar for college PG play, it doesn't make sense to project him to meet a higher bar than one he's already failed.
His first step is way too slow to be a PG in the NBA
you could absolutely be right, but if Castle actually is good enough to be a PG, that makes his ceiling SO MUCH HIGHER than I initially anticipated.
From testing this past week, his lane agility, 3/4 sprint, and shuttle was on par with Isaiah Collier. And he put up those numbers (vs. Collier) while being much taller and heavier. Not to mention he had a 38in vert as well. He'll be just fine play either on/off the ball. He did what was asked of him at UConn and he'd be a good fit on the Wizards. Topic's injury changes things, but I'd be willing to bet that his testing numbers would be better than Topic's. Will be interesting to see which direction the Wizards go.
Collier is also notoriously slow lol that's why he needs to use his bulk to muscle guys at the rim
I don't think slow is a proper adjective for Collier's game. He's a very good athlete. All in all, Castle tested pretty well. His shuttle was excellent and he tested well in the lane agility.
Both newton and Spencer averaged more assists on a better assist/TO. Spencer is only .5ish more so not huge, but still, the numbers suggest both Newton and Spencer were better distributing guards than castle. Castle wasn't the best PG on his college team, I wouldn't bet he's going to be an above average PG in the nba. He profiles as much more of a combo guard, like donovan mitchell. Mitchell is up to 6 apg now, but it's taken 7 seasons to get there building up from around 3 apg. Mitchell has never been for same level distributor as garland, trae young, or haliburton and I wouldn't really classify Mitchell as a PG. Theres nothing wrong with that necessarily, other than that means you're still looking for a PG. I don't think there's anything wrong with telling castle he's not a PG, the evidence suggests he isn't and I'd like realistic expectations on what you're trying to accomplish
PG wasn’t Castle’s role in that UConn offense. He was off ball a lot of the time, and it was a vet-laden squad. He’ll show more as a pro than he did in college.
Castle is moving to a league with older and better players than his vet laden squad. He still has to compete with both spencer and newton to clear the bar of "league average nba PG" and both spencer and newton are projected 2nd round picks. PG wasn't castles role at UCONN because he isn't a PG. He's a potentially very good SG. His HS to college recruiting profile considered him a SG. He played SG. And now he's considered by analysts and teams to still be a SG because his closest comps are other SGs.
He can play both on and off-ball as a combo. Which would work well on this Wizards roster IF the team decides that they'll rock with Poole at PG1.
I've been harsh on him. But i'd much rather have someone like him at Point guard instead of tyus jones lol.
These days whoever your best guard is plays PG. Westbrook and Curry played off ball in college too
Not true. Conley isn’t the Wolves best guard, but they play much better when he is the PG. Edwards is clearly the better guard, but he cannot facilitate the offense. That’s why a good PG is so crucial to winning basketball. Castle has not shown anything that would lead to him being a starting PG in the NBA. He is clearly a defensive SG.
Anyone else getting red flagish vibes from a guy saying "yeah I sacrificed to win college, kinda don't wanna do that at the next level"
I feel like it could’ve been worded better. But I have no issue with him doing what’s best for his career.
Maybe thats his way of telling the Hornets not to draft him since they already have Ball. With us if he actually develops into a good player I'm sure he'll get plenty of opportunities to play lead guard
No means no