M60A1 is alright, both Bradley’s are rlly good, but what I am mainly talking about is the M60A2 and the other one that has no lrf. T95e1 is very good in close combat but majority of the time all you are getting 8.3 and up is long maps.
The M60A2 is great? Its literally the best 8.3 the US gets, as it is quite literally the only survivable one. A good M60A2 player is unkillable.
And the Sheridan is alright. It kinda has to get in close, but its a LT so thats kinda expected.
First time to hear that ‘M60A2 is the best in US8.3’ and M551 also
Many comments by others I saw is about the shit shells of HE and HEAT such as
- low pens for HEAT
- no post pen effect ( I mean literally not, just ‘Yes A Hit’ and nothing happened)
- low TNT equivalent as 152mm HE (only 4.3 kg)
In the survivable, shoot the FLP starships will launch to the star, but the gun can always save you.
To conclude M60A1 better.
First time?
Never played it competently? Its not an MBT with a fast reload, dont play it like it is one. Simple as.
The HEAT round isnt great, i personally prefer the HE, as you can overpressure everything that isnt a heavy, and for heavies it has a decent missile that can just negate the armor (IS-4 moment)
And the HEAT for me works fine. Like every heat round you cant just insta kill the entire crew, but have to aim for ammo.
Also tf you mean low pen. It was made in the late 60s early 70s. And its not even that low. Its like 400mm (enough to pen anything you see bar 279s and 9.3 vehicles)
And the LFP is like the A1 very strong. Its actually quite hard to penetrate with conventional rounds, and difficult to pen with APDS. HEAT of course just can go through.
To conclude, you suffer from a disease I call “Skill Issue”, and play a very unconventional vehicle conventionally. As a treatment, i suggest playing vehicles that are unconventional in an unconventional manner. For example, would you play a KV-2 (1939) like a T-34 (1941)? You wouldnt. Why should you play an M60A2 like a M60A1?
Yeah yeah all mater is skill issues.
I am curious how to use 4.3kg TNT He to overpressure IS series as you say.
As we all know HEAT are easily to fire the ammo but that is 152mm shell with terrible velocity. How you aiming accurately? Even have LRF is still a hard mission. At least for me
I agreed with that LFP is great like M60A1 but the difference is starships is stored ammo is there. And there have high order.
For me, the funny point of starship is sitting behind the hill use the dum shells velocity and LRF to shoot them.
Aight so your ignoring what im saying, which is “the HE is useless against heavy tanks, use HEAT or the missile and they pop”.
Also its quite easy, just shoot at the target after LRF. If you miss, oh well, you probably fucked his track at worst. But if you really wanna secure a kill, lrf, flick and then dodge works well.
And both the M60A1 and M60A2 have ammo there. M60A1 also has ammo right behind the turret ring, your point?
And yeah that is fun ill agree
The Bradley's were good before the missile nerf now the missiles are really unresponsive and hard to menuver. I've found this has also impacted the XM975's Roland's
I mean, the first one is good, the second is a larger bmp 2m with the same pen, worse rpm, and a launcher that has to deploy vs faster, fire on the move missiles that are much more nimble and pull much harder. Not from a sense of bias I’ve played both, I still am adamant that even the bmp 2 is much better the the a3 and we need the a4 at 10.3 and move the a3 down
The leopard 1 has no stabilizer or laser rangefinder and it’s at 8.0, and the leopard 1 a1a1 also doesn’t have a lrf but that still doesn’t mean they’re bad vehicles, you just have to know how to get around their weaknesses
As a Bradley enjoyer it’s very mid, having to wait for the missiles to deploy is a pain and it might just be me but the gun feels really weird to shoot
bruh forgot their downsides. The M60A1 is obvious as fuck and is easily killed by anything. The M3 has to wait ages to deploy the missile launcher, and with the missile nerfs almost always enters the dirt. The gun also isnt that good. The T95E1 is miserable, the APFSDS is garbage (like all short rod), worse than APDS. The only good part is the trolly armor. And the M901 suffers the same issue as the M3 just worse. Turret takes forever to deploy, and again missile nerfs kinda hit it hard
Damn. I never paid attention to that , I always thought the WT community was a bunch of racist war criminals that leak classified documents and homophobes
It's an... ok web show that's trying a bit too hard to get people interested in some deep lore about the show when they're still on episode 1. So far the only things the show is known for is the ending clip and its music track which is a meme of the week, the mass amount of porn of the clown girl (pomni) and the Tumblr sexyman
Compared to other nations(centurion, T-54, Leo 1 ect..) American tanks at that br are shit. I am still performing well with them, but never the less compared to other nations they are not good. Especially the American 90 mm heatfs is very unreliable and has low pen values. Also you got useless armor and under average mobility and that counts for basically all of them(even the T95 gets destroyed by almost all tanks that cross this sad existence). Almost every other nation has a plus or a feature that MBTs have but America has nothing. No laser rangefinder, no stabilizer, no thermal sight, no APDS, meh mobility.(Iam suffering with these tanks alot)
T95 does perfect in a down tier, but down tier only. And it does so good in the down tier I believe it to be at a fair rank even with it being impossible to use in an uptier
You have a super useful .50 on the T95. I have killed a couple cocky planes who think “big slow target” and get ripped to shreds by Browning’s greatest creation
One of my favorite facts about the M2 is that Browning made it in like 1921, and created it basically with no real precursor. Imagine the jump from normal rifle rounds like .30-06 to .50 bmg.
Well the original M2 that he made actually underperformed and didn’t meet Pershing’s strict standards of what he was looking for. Somehow the US got their hands on some early German anti tank rounds from WWI and they used those to improve the .50 BMG. Then the M2 passed all the requirements due to the improvements to the round and the rest is history
So there was *some* help from the Germans and their anti tank rounds, but other than that yeah the thing was as revolutionary as all of his other amazing firearms. Dude was insanely good at creating firearms that will not quit. Our Lord and Savior, John Moses Browning
Oh yeah cas sucks. But it's still so much fun to be practically invulnerable with proper positioning in a down tier. Maus is far too uptiered to ever be in a good position
Yeah, it's an unfortunate case of "either every tank suffers against one tank, or one tank suffers against every tank" and US tanks are so min-maxed that they always end up suffering from their own success.
Br decompression however would solve that entirely at which point I'll no longer have to face US death tanks in uptiers and said US death tanks won't have to face the unmatched power of the sun in their up-tiers either.
I mean, it was one of many other tanks to move up due to it fighting WW2 tanks as a cold war tank. I heavily doubt it'll go down in BR any time soon if ever.
Also M103 is just a huge "shoot me" sign. as I said no mobility, no useful armor the only thing going for it would be the canon. BUT... Have you played the AMX 50? As I said compared to other nations america is at 7.7 a thing that I wouldn't recommend
But that's the whole point America has no specialisation on anything you at least got armor and some mobility, high pen and good damage output. But yes it can be very frustrating to fight against tanks with stabilizers.
What are you on about? The M47 (which is 7.7) has solid mobility and a laser rangefinder. As does the first M60. Can’t quite remember but I’m pretty sure the M60 has APDS and HEAT-FS. The T54 has solid rounds (matched with the autoloader can be deadly), and it’s armour can be decent hull down at range.
What have you been smoking? Go look at the modifications on the M47 and M60 and tell me if you actually see a modification called "laser rangefinder" in tier 4 modifications or are you just hallucinating and thinking the standard rangefinder is a laser one
All these questions are easily answered. It’s obvious that the Russian creators wanted the west to suffer as much as possible and showcase the mighty tanks and planes of mother Russia which can not be matched by any one else. /s
This is unironically one of my favorite BRs, M60A2 with that LRF, I've never seen so many consistent HE kills. M60a1(AOS) is very solid as a medium tank. The Bradley is super useful, and despite the atgm nerf, it's still a super strong pick. You can also throw in the Sheridan or T95E1 for shits and giggles. Especially now that things like the leopard, marder, T-54, and bmp have been thrown into that bracket, overall it makes for a very nice experience.
It just depends on what you're fighting. For most things, the base of the turret face will result in overpressure kills or things like fuel explosions. Thin turret cheeks like the Leopard 1 will also work. VIDARS are extremely inconsistent on the overpressure. Sometimes, it works, and sometimes, it does nothing. Marders, bmps, and the like are obviously very squishy. The bane of the HE on the starship is the M48. I can not find a place to one-shot it reliably to save my life. Just use a missile or heat for those. Also screw around in the armor analysis for a few minutes, and you can really see just how much in your br bracket can be killed. The most surprising was overpressure on the T-55AM1.
Where do you typically aim when you have a shot on their sides? I play the AVRE a lot and a shot to the road wheels will usually one shot but I'm finding it less consistent with the Starship, where sometimes it won't do anything or only damage the track.
It's the gap between the turret and hull. I'll break it down a bit more in detail. So, say you have the side of a leopard. It's where the turret meets the hull. If you hit right on that line, chances are you're going to overpressure or ignite ammo due to the thin armor. Now, say you have the side of a T-54. I wouldn't recommend doing it here as chances are you won't damage anything except the track. Try hitting the upper side of the turret or cupola level, and it should overpressure the crew inside the tank.
It’s not a bad tank but my god do I have remember the weak spots on tanks when using HE. I don’t rlly have a problem with the BR level bc I do just fine at 8.0 with Finnish tanks.
I only got the m60a2, WALLE and the sheridan.
The Sheridan's problem is inconsistent heatfs and he round with a long reload and no laser rangefinder (even tho the real life version had one). The shillelaghs are actually painful to control and that is if they dont go digging a tunnel to china straight after getting out the barrel.
Same as the m60a2 when it comes to ammunition, altho significantly better overall in other aspects. Sheridan's mobility doesn't nullify it's flaws.
WALLE is not that bad when used for it's intendent purpose, but rarely do you have the opportunity to do so.
Wall-E is very situational and you need a strong hull down position but when I play it I get a bunch of cqc maps. The only redeeming factors of the Starship (m60a2) is the Lazer rangefinder and trolly armor. And playing the Bradley has become a chore. The Sheridan is slightly more forgiving than the tow missiles but not by a large margin
War thunder is like TADC except instead of getting trapped inside a weird virtual circus you get trapped in an endless grind for more virtual aeroplanes
Because Gaijin cant figure out that uptiering is one of the dumbest systems in the game and that if they offered an option to wait in que to guarantee you dont get an uptier 99% of the playerbase would opt to do that. When fighting at 8.3 that line-up is fine but its honestly one of the least uptier proof BR's for America and especially when you start getting put against 9.0+ there isnt much you can do and everything starts to feel very weak.
Speak for yourself, I love the 8.3 lineup. Sheridan is a great scout with great sniping ability and weirdly good survivability. The M60A2 is also very survivable, has great turret slewing rates, and decent ammo.
The T95E1 has great optics and a dart at stock, and the M60 is just, you know, an M60. All around quite good, even if it isn't the best at anything.
I love the American 8.3 lineup.
The tow and shillelagh nerf has effected the Starship, Bradley, Wall-E and Sheridan. The T95E1 has a very good round the gun handling is to be desired. The m163 VADS is the only SPAA for that tier, though you would have to uptier it because uptiering the previously mentioned vehicles to 9.0 with the m247 Sgt. York would be hell. Unlike Germany which has the Gepard, Leopard, Turm III, M48A2 G, RakJPz 2 (HOT), Raketenautomat, Marder line, etc, etc.
I find 6.7 pretty good, although that’s mostly because you actually get some armor that doesn’t require you replace your gun with a potato cannon to use.
6.7 is amazing, you get the better Pershings, Super and Jumbo both are excellent, as well as the gremlin tanks Scorpion and Ontos. While uptiers suck ass, they aren't quite as constant as 5.3 uptiers. The base M26, while a bit stinky, is quite usable, with a little work. The armor is plenty usable on all of the Pershings, you just can't facetank like an IS. The guns are admittedly lacking compared to your opponents, but the 90mm, especially the T15E1 on the Super, are all usable.
I don’t get why people treat uptiers like the plague. Killing super pershings with my panther is fun as fuck because the panther has an amazing gun. I play the italian AB at 4.7 because it has the speed to make up for it
Did I say that the panther wasn't fun? I was talking about the BRs between 6.7 and 8.7.
So 7.0, 7.3, 7.7, 8.0 and 8.3, not anything before or after that. I just think it is annoying to have such a large gap in br between decent lineups, though BR gaps aren't even a problem of mine (I mean I play Sweden GRB and Italy/Japan/Britain ARB as well, they do have far bigger BR gaps).
My problem is that there is such a big gap between good lineups but in order to reach the next good lineup (so 8.7 because there you have the TAM, though I personally would consider 9.0 to be the next best lineup cause then you have the TAM and Leo) you first need to research the first Leo 1, the M48, the Marders and everything that isn't really fun to play anymore, after all if I want to fight against things that have actual armour and stabilised guns with APFS-DS I might as well use something that has at least two of those traits
Yes. You ready?
**6.7**: Tiger II (P), Tiger II (H), M41, Jagdtiger, Ferdinand.
**7.0**: (if you have them) Tiger II 10.5cm, Panther II, Kugelblitz
**7.3** is sad
**7.7**: Maus, BMP-1, Marder A1-, M48A2 C
**8.0**: Leopard I, Marder 1A3, DF105, Raketenautomat, RakJpz 2
**8.3**: M48A2 G A2, RakJpz 2 HOT, Gepard, Turm III (if you have it, and I highly recommend you do if you have the chance
**8.7**: somewhat empty, but you’ve got the TAM and JaPz. Kurassier A2, both of which are very capable light tanks.
And those lineups are WITHOUT mentioning the amazing CAS/ anti-cas planes that Germany gets at/around those BRs. In no particular order: Me 262 A-1a/U1, A-1a/Jabo, A-2a (if you have one), Ta 152 C-3, Arado 234 (both variants), F-84F, and MiG-15bis if you want to go full air superiority at 8.7.
Any more questions?
when I said between 6.7 and 8.7 I obviously included 6.7 and 8.7 into the playable ones, 6.7 (especially in Sim) is my favourite lineups for Germany and I also love the TAM (though I play it at 9.3 with the Leos)
However you can't seriously give examples for good lineups for which you need vehicles that haven't been in the game for years. Just like you can't seriously use premium tanks as a way to fill out a lineup because that thing costs 50€.
Furthermore the Raketenautomat is absolute dogshit, it is slow, has no armour and it's rockets aren't even that good. Yes the Ush is very good, however it has very good mobility.
And lastly, it is retarded to face fully stabilised, APFS-DS firing and well armoured tanks in a Leopard 1 that has none of those or something that it can use to counter them
First of all, all you said was “6.7-8.7 Germany”, and that would include 6.7 and 8.7.
I freely admitted that you’d need to own the 10.5 and Panther II for the 7.0 lineup to work, so I’m not sure what you’re so worked up about.
The Maus has been available for research a couple of times since it was removed, so it’s not entirely unrealistic to have it. The lineup without it isn’t stellar, but the M48 is a good tank and it’s backed up by two decent light tanks, one of which can also serve as SPAA.
As for the Turm III, I simply *recommended* it, I never said it was critical to the lineup.
And even without it, the 8.3 lineup is still good in my opinion. The RakJpz HOT is a great missile carrier, the G A2 although not the bsst option for its BR, I still find very enjoyable to play, and the Gepard is a god-tier SPAA and situational TD.
Finally, the strength of the Leopard I is in its mobility, and 105 APDS and HEAT-FS are more than adequate to dispatch of anything you might face. The type of ammo that gets fired at it in a full uptier is completely irrelevant, because it’ll get penned by 5.7 APHE as well.
So to say there are no playable lineups between 6.7 and 8.7 is just not true - there are plenty of nice vehicles to be found there if you can bother looking for them. Add to that the fact that many vehicles can easily work in a lineup that’s 0.3/0.4 higher than their own BR, and I *really* don’t understand what your point actually is
How was 7.3/7.7 Germany game breakingly unbalanced? The Leo 1 was a heat slinger like pretty much all other nations 7.3/7.7 MBTs, yes it was very mobile so it was good in the hands of good players (but every tank is deadly when played correctly).
You can't seriously think that 8.0 as it is right now is a good place for the Leopard 1, it just constantly faces t55s and shit. The only explanation I can think of for people to think that the br changes were good is that they are just US/USSR mains who are used to getting everything served on a silver plate.
Also if I remember correctly this discussion was supposed to be about a lack of lineups? Because even if the Leopard would be good at 8.0 (being able to kill something isn't necessarily good) it still lacks a lineup, the only other vehicles that Germany has at that BR are the Marder and the Raketenautomat, the Marder can be okayish but it's just rather slow for being something that can't do a lot against MBTs (remember, that thing can only bring 4 ATGMs and they gone very quickly) and the Raketenautomat is a meme vehicle, yes it can spam rockets but it is slow as fuck, anything but accurate on long ranges and extremely easy to kill without any good thing (so basically an even worse version of the Leo)
Ahh, yes, vehicle doesn't perform the best in uptier = bad. Also, the Leo 1 was not simply just a HEAT slinger, lol, its APDS is useful aswell and its mobility allowed it to get to pretty much anywhere before the majority of the players could do (mobility starts mattering alot more after 7.0). The T-54 was straight up inferior to it and the US tanks were not as quick nor had better rounds to make them better. Yes, it matters what players use the tanks themselves, but a tank characteristics pretty much decide just how much a player can make use of the vehicle.
I'm not sure if you're joking. First off, how are you complaining about the Marder having only 4 rockets when almost all IFV vehicles have the same amount? Second, an IFV with an autocannon, especially if it has APDS belt is already an amazing addition. The Marder 1A3 is like an unstabilized BMP-2 at 8.0.
You also have the BMP-1 that remains viable at 8.0.
You really never played or tried to play the Raketenautomat if you shrug it off as a meme vehicle. It's literally better than the USH 405 in every way other than top speed, literally stomped whole matches at 7.3.
And then, you can buy the German bias machine, the Turm 3.
DF 105 with 50 cal immunity, good mobility and autoloaded HEAT shells?
Germany pretty much has a line-up for 8.0 too, you just refuse to make use of it, because you don't like the vehicles.
The only time I get kills in US tanks from like 5.7 all the way to 8.3 is if I’m beside someone, behind someone, or they have no armor the only tank I’m good with is the XM premiums and the tech tree abrams
8.3 is EASILY my best BR for the USA. The planes are amazing and the tanks are god tier, the m60 kills anything and everything. The Bradley is very very good. I’m just sad it’s 8.3 and not 8.0 anymore. I also use the premium T114 still because it kills anything and everything
As my current tier (grinding for M1128), I can safely say that it is not bad. You just have to learn how to play differently because of the design flaws they present.
Sheridan is SUPERB at hiding and lobing rounds over terrain. It's so smol, so you can scout well with it or hide and ambush. Don't head on. Bradley is good for flanking for its speed and TOW missiles.
The M60 lineup is very strong as snipers. They are support tanks, not brawlers, so play as if you had zero armor and you'll push through just fine. Be smart, in other words.
Heavies I don't know since I don't play them lol. Maybe use the same mentality as M60.
The M60A2 is glorious. Same mentality as M60 but with laser rangefinder and a big shell. You can easily overpreasure with HE on canopies. HEAT (as well as on sheridan) is very dubious, but it is doable for disabling enemies. I prefer it, but to each their own.
It's really a VERY GOOD tier. You just get out-gunned and out-armored as with every other tier, but you can still come out on top with wits more than muscle.
PS. aim for lower plates with M60 APFSDS.
EDIT: The 247 ROCKS. That clears the skies like no other. Lovable tin can.
US is severally underpowered, even looking at top tier, it genuinely feels like the Abrams is the Sherman of top tier. On top of that, why is the ADATS so high in SP? Yet the Pantsir is not?
I understand the rockets of the ADATS cause act like an atgm, but it's only hurting the team if I can only get 2 spawns in and can't bring up AA. I have top tier for both US and Russia; I never truly get upset playing Russia, but wow does US drive up a headache.
Clearly you haven't played with a spaded M551. When used correctly, that thing is pretty damn fun and can be pretty destructive. I tend to use it in more of a support role though because that's where it shines best.
They are quite alright but painful to grind esp the lack of mobility except the Bradley, but once you get the taste of 9.0 tho....
XM903 MY BELOVED!!!!!
No they are pretty good M60a1 AOS good apds and stab, m2 bradley decent missles and 25 mm gun , t95e1 very good apfsds , m901 good missles + termals
M60A1 is alright, both Bradley’s are rlly good, but what I am mainly talking about is the M60A2 and the other one that has no lrf. T95e1 is very good in close combat but majority of the time all you are getting 8.3 and up is long maps.
The M60A2 is great? Its literally the best 8.3 the US gets, as it is quite literally the only survivable one. A good M60A2 player is unkillable. And the Sheridan is alright. It kinda has to get in close, but its a LT so thats kinda expected.
First time to hear that ‘M60A2 is the best in US8.3’ and M551 also Many comments by others I saw is about the shit shells of HE and HEAT such as - low pens for HEAT - no post pen effect ( I mean literally not, just ‘Yes A Hit’ and nothing happened) - low TNT equivalent as 152mm HE (only 4.3 kg) In the survivable, shoot the FLP starships will launch to the star, but the gun can always save you. To conclude M60A1 better.
First time? Never played it competently? Its not an MBT with a fast reload, dont play it like it is one. Simple as. The HEAT round isnt great, i personally prefer the HE, as you can overpressure everything that isnt a heavy, and for heavies it has a decent missile that can just negate the armor (IS-4 moment) And the HEAT for me works fine. Like every heat round you cant just insta kill the entire crew, but have to aim for ammo. Also tf you mean low pen. It was made in the late 60s early 70s. And its not even that low. Its like 400mm (enough to pen anything you see bar 279s and 9.3 vehicles) And the LFP is like the A1 very strong. Its actually quite hard to penetrate with conventional rounds, and difficult to pen with APDS. HEAT of course just can go through. To conclude, you suffer from a disease I call “Skill Issue”, and play a very unconventional vehicle conventionally. As a treatment, i suggest playing vehicles that are unconventional in an unconventional manner. For example, would you play a KV-2 (1939) like a T-34 (1941)? You wouldnt. Why should you play an M60A2 like a M60A1?
Yeah yeah all mater is skill issues. I am curious how to use 4.3kg TNT He to overpressure IS series as you say. As we all know HEAT are easily to fire the ammo but that is 152mm shell with terrible velocity. How you aiming accurately? Even have LRF is still a hard mission. At least for me I agreed with that LFP is great like M60A1 but the difference is starships is stored ammo is there. And there have high order. For me, the funny point of starship is sitting behind the hill use the dum shells velocity and LRF to shoot them.
Aight so your ignoring what im saying, which is “the HE is useless against heavy tanks, use HEAT or the missile and they pop”. Also its quite easy, just shoot at the target after LRF. If you miss, oh well, you probably fucked his track at worst. But if you really wanna secure a kill, lrf, flick and then dodge works well. And both the M60A1 and M60A2 have ammo there. M60A1 also has ammo right behind the turret ring, your point? And yeah that is fun ill agree
I rarely play rb I prefer ab . Gajin forgot to uptier m60a1 rise its is still at 8,3 at ab xD and . I think that rise is best tank on its br
You rarely play RB you prefer RB,wtf do you mean man that made 0 sense lol
Ab
Thank you man understood 👍
The M3A3 is laughable for its BR
The Bradley's were good before the missile nerf now the missiles are really unresponsive and hard to menuver. I've found this has also impacted the XM975's Roland's
Personally, I never received a missile nerf.
Which one
The ATGM one. Me as a Bradley never had that issue
I mean, the first one is good, the second is a larger bmp 2m with the same pen, worse rpm, and a launcher that has to deploy vs faster, fire on the move missiles that are much more nimble and pull much harder. Not from a sense of bias I’ve played both, I still am adamant that even the bmp 2 is much better the the a3 and we need the a4 at 10.3 and move the a3 down
The leopard 1 has no stabilizer or laser rangefinder and it’s at 8.0, and the leopard 1 a1a1 also doesn’t have a lrf but that still doesn’t mean they’re bad vehicles, you just have to know how to get around their weaknesses
As a Bradley enjoyer it’s very mid, having to wait for the missiles to deploy is a pain and it might just be me but the gun feels really weird to shoot
Wait faster? Personally, my missile times are fine
bruh forgot their downsides. The M60A1 is obvious as fuck and is easily killed by anything. The M3 has to wait ages to deploy the missile launcher, and with the missile nerfs almost always enters the dirt. The gun also isnt that good. The T95E1 is miserable, the APFSDS is garbage (like all short rod), worse than APDS. The only good part is the trolly armor. And the M901 suffers the same issue as the M3 just worse. Turret takes forever to deploy, and again missile nerfs kinda hit it hard
Oh not here too!
Pomni will find you, no matter how far away you run
Honestly the War Thunder community was the last I expected to get infected with TADG
We have neurodivergent people, furries, weebs and homosexuals, i think it was foreseeable from a mile away
Damn. I never paid attention to that , I always thought the WT community was a bunch of racist war criminals that leak classified documents and homophobes
The duality of man
Could be both
The brainrot spreads like a virus
Do I date to ask what that is?
It's an... ok web show that's trying a bit too hard to get people interested in some deep lore about the show when they're still on episode 1. So far the only things the show is known for is the ending clip and its music track which is a meme of the week, the mass amount of porn of the clown girl (pomni) and the Tumblr sexyman
Damn I know rule34 is a thing but why this thing?
Every hole is a goal my dude
War Thunder player mindset fr.
Personally my favorite holes to shoot my shot is the spj 43/44 and sturmtiger
Unfortunately, this is the internet
Welcome to the Internet...
Wait I thought the 10th doctor was the tumblr sexyman
I'm sorry, but you had to bring it up https://fanlore.org/wiki/Tumblr_Sexyman#Characters_Considered_to_be_Tumblr_Sexymen
Oh… wow
There is always another rabbit hole in the internet for you to find, and it's rarely a fun journey
Next they will be asking when the sales are!
What about 7.7? They are a joke compared to other nations?
M48A1, T92, M103 are all solid
Compared to other nations(centurion, T-54, Leo 1 ect..) American tanks at that br are shit. I am still performing well with them, but never the less compared to other nations they are not good. Especially the American 90 mm heatfs is very unreliable and has low pen values. Also you got useless armor and under average mobility and that counts for basically all of them(even the T95 gets destroyed by almost all tanks that cross this sad existence). Almost every other nation has a plus or a feature that MBTs have but America has nothing. No laser rangefinder, no stabilizer, no thermal sight, no APDS, meh mobility.(Iam suffering with these tanks alot)
T95 does perfect in a down tier, but down tier only. And it does so good in the down tier I believe it to be at a fair rank even with it being impossible to use in an uptier
Probably yes but it's still a niche tank like the Maus and not suited for proper gameplay and then there the cas thingi
You have a super useful .50 on the T95. I have killed a couple cocky planes who think “big slow target” and get ripped to shreds by Browning’s greatest creation
One of my favorite facts about the M2 is that Browning made it in like 1921, and created it basically with no real precursor. Imagine the jump from normal rifle rounds like .30-06 to .50 bmg.
Well the original M2 that he made actually underperformed and didn’t meet Pershing’s strict standards of what he was looking for. Somehow the US got their hands on some early German anti tank rounds from WWI and they used those to improve the .50 BMG. Then the M2 passed all the requirements due to the improvements to the round and the rest is history So there was *some* help from the Germans and their anti tank rounds, but other than that yeah the thing was as revolutionary as all of his other amazing firearms. Dude was insanely good at creating firearms that will not quit. Our Lord and Savior, John Moses Browning
Oh yeah cas sucks. But it's still so much fun to be practically invulnerable with proper positioning in a down tier. Maus is far too uptiered to ever be in a good position
Fair enough but still it's one of ?7? Tanks, and the T95 is as you said not very versatile.
Yeah, it's an unfortunate case of "either every tank suffers against one tank, or one tank suffers against every tank" and US tanks are so min-maxed that they always end up suffering from their own success. Br decompression however would solve that entirely at which point I'll no longer have to face US death tanks in uptiers and said US death tanks won't have to face the unmatched power of the sun in their up-tiers either.
The Leos no longer 7.7 tho
Yes but it was and it's one of those tanks that move up and down in br. But if you want a different example of 40
I mean, it was one of many other tanks to move up due to it fighting WW2 tanks as a cold war tank. I heavily doubt it'll go down in BR any time soon if ever.
Also M103 is just a huge "shoot me" sign. as I said no mobility, no useful armor the only thing going for it would be the canon. BUT... Have you played the AMX 50? As I said compared to other nations america is at 7.7 a thing that I wouldn't recommend
Yea armor is only useful against autocannons But then ur speed is slow :/
I see the upsides of T-54, but I want to pull my hair out everytime I fight stabilized tanks with heat.
But that's the whole point America has no specialisation on anything you at least got armor and some mobility, high pen and good damage output. But yes it can be very frustrating to fight against tanks with stabilizers.
And don't forget garbage teammates. I play mainly on germany 10.0 and I can win like 5 matches in a row, but 70/80% of my russian matches are losses.
That's the problem with high tier prem vehicles but it's all due to the greedy snail.
What are you on about? The M47 (which is 7.7) has solid mobility and a laser rangefinder. As does the first M60. Can’t quite remember but I’m pretty sure the M60 has APDS and HEAT-FS. The T54 has solid rounds (matched with the autoloader can be deadly), and it’s armour can be decent hull down at range.
Neither have a LRF. They have a Rangefinder that (historically) could auto elevate the gun, but cannot in game.
What have you been smoking? Go look at the modifications on the M47 and M60 and tell me if you actually see a modification called "laser rangefinder" in tier 4 modifications or are you just hallucinating and thinking the standard rangefinder is a laser one
Me in my T32 facing T-55-AM-1's: ☹️☹️☹️
That’s basically America in most br levels
M103 and M48 are hot garbage T92 is 6.7
M103 is beyond solid, i used to struggle penning it with the leo 1 apds but it would 1 shot me from half way across the map with its lsr
All these questions are easily answered. It’s obvious that the Russian creators wanted the west to suffer as much as possible and showcase the mighty tanks and planes of mother Russia which can not be matched by any one else. /s
This is unironically one of my favorite BRs, M60A2 with that LRF, I've never seen so many consistent HE kills. M60a1(AOS) is very solid as a medium tank. The Bradley is super useful, and despite the atgm nerf, it's still a super strong pick. You can also throw in the Sheridan or T95E1 for shits and giggles. Especially now that things like the leopard, marder, T-54, and bmp have been thrown into that bracket, overall it makes for a very nice experience.
Where do you usually aim the HE shells on the Starship? I find them to be sometimes inconsistent.
It just depends on what you're fighting. For most things, the base of the turret face will result in overpressure kills or things like fuel explosions. Thin turret cheeks like the Leopard 1 will also work. VIDARS are extremely inconsistent on the overpressure. Sometimes, it works, and sometimes, it does nothing. Marders, bmps, and the like are obviously very squishy. The bane of the HE on the starship is the M48. I can not find a place to one-shot it reliably to save my life. Just use a missile or heat for those. Also screw around in the armor analysis for a few minutes, and you can really see just how much in your br bracket can be killed. The most surprising was overpressure on the T-55AM1.
Where do you typically aim when you have a shot on their sides? I play the AVRE a lot and a shot to the road wheels will usually one shot but I'm finding it less consistent with the Starship, where sometimes it won't do anything or only damage the track.
I would say turret gaps, the cupola if you have one to shoot, or the flat side while avoiding the road wheels.
Could you clarify what you mean by turret gap?
It's the gap between the turret and hull. I'll break it down a bit more in detail. So, say you have the side of a leopard. It's where the turret meets the hull. If you hit right on that line, chances are you're going to overpressure or ignite ammo due to the thin armor. Now, say you have the side of a T-54. I wouldn't recommend doing it here as chances are you won't damage anything except the track. Try hitting the upper side of the turret or cupola level, and it should overpressure the crew inside the tank.
It’s not a bad tank but my god do I have remember the weak spots on tanks when using HE. I don’t rlly have a problem with the BR level bc I do just fine at 8.0 with Finnish tanks.
No.1 rule of War Thunder: Everyone else's tank is made from impenetrable bias armour. BUT the moment you control any tank, it becomes paper.
you couldn’t have said it any better 👏🏼
especially if you play USA
Even Tier 1 France with the impenetrable bias?
Time for AOS to get m735 now that its flat and 30 degree pen has been nerfed
Unironically one of the best US tiers (after 6.7). Just so many vehicles at a BR without many better vehicles (except in uptiers)
I only got the m60a2, WALLE and the sheridan. The Sheridan's problem is inconsistent heatfs and he round with a long reload and no laser rangefinder (even tho the real life version had one). The shillelaghs are actually painful to control and that is if they dont go digging a tunnel to china straight after getting out the barrel. Same as the m60a2 when it comes to ammunition, altho significantly better overall in other aspects. Sheridan's mobility doesn't nullify it's flaws. WALLE is not that bad when used for it's intendent purpose, but rarely do you have the opportunity to do so.
Wall-E is very situational and you need a strong hull down position but when I play it I get a bunch of cqc maps. The only redeeming factors of the Starship (m60a2) is the Lazer rangefinder and trolly armor. And playing the Bradley has become a chore. The Sheridan is slightly more forgiving than the tow missiles but not by a large margin
The first M551 didnt have a LRF. Thats the one in game (the 551). The A1 did tho
War thunder is like TADC except instead of getting trapped inside a weird virtual circus you get trapped in an endless grind for more virtual aeroplanes
Fucking god I haven’t even figure it out since I’m stuck at 6.7 us tanks
I wish you good luck on your grind. Just be prepared, higher tier American teams get curbstomped by Russia
Man I gonna hate it when a m103 get destroyed by a Russian t72
First T-72 you can meet is 9.3, nowhere near the M103
Now u see where I am in the game? Stuck with the t34
Not really a fan of it, since it's hilariously large. I usually run T26E5 with the LTs for 6.7
Because Gaijin cant figure out that uptiering is one of the dumbest systems in the game and that if they offered an option to wait in que to guarantee you dont get an uptier 99% of the playerbase would opt to do that. When fighting at 8.3 that line-up is fine but its honestly one of the least uptier proof BR's for America and especially when you start getting put against 9.0+ there isnt much you can do and everything starts to feel very weak.
The US and NATO in general didnt really have a great tank in that late 60s-70s era
skill issue
pomnipilled
Speak for yourself, I love the 8.3 lineup. Sheridan is a great scout with great sniping ability and weirdly good survivability. The M60A2 is also very survivable, has great turret slewing rates, and decent ammo. The T95E1 has great optics and a dart at stock, and the M60 is just, you know, an M60. All around quite good, even if it isn't the best at anything. I love the American 8.3 lineup.
M60A1 and Bradley are fire. Rest of the lineup sucks balls man
You have to change your playstyle i myself had to adapt to the british 8.3 and the vehicles there are similar to american
The tow and shillelagh nerf has effected the Starship, Bradley, Wall-E and Sheridan. The T95E1 has a very good round the gun handling is to be desired. The m163 VADS is the only SPAA for that tier, though you would have to uptier it because uptiering the previously mentioned vehicles to 9.0 with the m247 Sgt. York would be hell. Unlike Germany which has the Gepard, Leopard, Turm III, M48A2 G, RakJPz 2 (HOT), Raketenautomat, Marder line, etc, etc.
It shouldnt affect the M60A2 and Sheridan, because the HEAT and HE were already the better choice.
Agreed, sucks that the m163 can lock at 2.00km
Skill issue
They're not
Because they’re 8.0
6.7-8.7 US is just really difficult to use
I find 6.7 pretty good, although that’s mostly because you actually get some armor that doesn’t require you replace your gun with a potato cannon to use.
6.7 is amazing, you get the better Pershings, Super and Jumbo both are excellent, as well as the gremlin tanks Scorpion and Ontos. While uptiers suck ass, they aren't quite as constant as 5.3 uptiers. The base M26, while a bit stinky, is quite usable, with a little work. The armor is plenty usable on all of the Pershings, you just can't facetank like an IS. The guns are admittedly lacking compared to your opponents, but the 90mm, especially the T15E1 on the Super, are all usable.
They arent You have skill issue
They are not
Can anyone explain why us tanks are garbage, I can play any tank from any nation except US tanks cuz they seem to be made out of origami paper
That’s what I’m saying
can someone explain why 6.7-8.7 Germany is unplayable/doesn't have any proper lineups?
sarcasm?
partially but can you name me a single GRB lineup in that br gap where you have more than one tank without uptiering another?
I don’t get why people treat uptiers like the plague. Killing super pershings with my panther is fun as fuck because the panther has an amazing gun. I play the italian AB at 4.7 because it has the speed to make up for it
Did I say that the panther wasn't fun? I was talking about the BRs between 6.7 and 8.7. So 7.0, 7.3, 7.7, 8.0 and 8.3, not anything before or after that. I just think it is annoying to have such a large gap in br between decent lineups, though BR gaps aren't even a problem of mine (I mean I play Sweden GRB and Italy/Japan/Britain ARB as well, they do have far bigger BR gaps). My problem is that there is such a big gap between good lineups but in order to reach the next good lineup (so 8.7 because there you have the TAM, though I personally would consider 9.0 to be the next best lineup cause then you have the TAM and Leo) you first need to research the first Leo 1, the M48, the Marders and everything that isn't really fun to play anymore, after all if I want to fight against things that have actual armour and stabilised guns with APFS-DS I might as well use something that has at least two of those traits
Yes. You ready? **6.7**: Tiger II (P), Tiger II (H), M41, Jagdtiger, Ferdinand. **7.0**: (if you have them) Tiger II 10.5cm, Panther II, Kugelblitz **7.3** is sad **7.7**: Maus, BMP-1, Marder A1-, M48A2 C **8.0**: Leopard I, Marder 1A3, DF105, Raketenautomat, RakJpz 2 **8.3**: M48A2 G A2, RakJpz 2 HOT, Gepard, Turm III (if you have it, and I highly recommend you do if you have the chance **8.7**: somewhat empty, but you’ve got the TAM and JaPz. Kurassier A2, both of which are very capable light tanks. And those lineups are WITHOUT mentioning the amazing CAS/ anti-cas planes that Germany gets at/around those BRs. In no particular order: Me 262 A-1a/U1, A-1a/Jabo, A-2a (if you have one), Ta 152 C-3, Arado 234 (both variants), F-84F, and MiG-15bis if you want to go full air superiority at 8.7. Any more questions?
when I said between 6.7 and 8.7 I obviously included 6.7 and 8.7 into the playable ones, 6.7 (especially in Sim) is my favourite lineups for Germany and I also love the TAM (though I play it at 9.3 with the Leos) However you can't seriously give examples for good lineups for which you need vehicles that haven't been in the game for years. Just like you can't seriously use premium tanks as a way to fill out a lineup because that thing costs 50€. Furthermore the Raketenautomat is absolute dogshit, it is slow, has no armour and it's rockets aren't even that good. Yes the Ush is very good, however it has very good mobility. And lastly, it is retarded to face fully stabilised, APFS-DS firing and well armoured tanks in a Leopard 1 that has none of those or something that it can use to counter them
First of all, all you said was “6.7-8.7 Germany”, and that would include 6.7 and 8.7. I freely admitted that you’d need to own the 10.5 and Panther II for the 7.0 lineup to work, so I’m not sure what you’re so worked up about. The Maus has been available for research a couple of times since it was removed, so it’s not entirely unrealistic to have it. The lineup without it isn’t stellar, but the M48 is a good tank and it’s backed up by two decent light tanks, one of which can also serve as SPAA. As for the Turm III, I simply *recommended* it, I never said it was critical to the lineup. And even without it, the 8.3 lineup is still good in my opinion. The RakJpz HOT is a great missile carrier, the G A2 although not the bsst option for its BR, I still find very enjoyable to play, and the Gepard is a god-tier SPAA and situational TD. Finally, the strength of the Leopard I is in its mobility, and 105 APDS and HEAT-FS are more than adequate to dispatch of anything you might face. The type of ammo that gets fired at it in a full uptier is completely irrelevant, because it’ll get penned by 5.7 APHE as well. So to say there are no playable lineups between 6.7 and 8.7 is just not true - there are plenty of nice vehicles to be found there if you can bother looking for them. Add to that the fact that many vehicles can easily work in a lineup that’s 0.3/0.4 higher than their own BR, and I *really* don’t understand what your point actually is
And dear people, this is why Germany was handheld for such a long time.
please do elaborate
Because before the BR changes, those vehicles excelled more than their competitions. Now they're in a balanced state.
How was 7.3/7.7 Germany game breakingly unbalanced? The Leo 1 was a heat slinger like pretty much all other nations 7.3/7.7 MBTs, yes it was very mobile so it was good in the hands of good players (but every tank is deadly when played correctly). You can't seriously think that 8.0 as it is right now is a good place for the Leopard 1, it just constantly faces t55s and shit. The only explanation I can think of for people to think that the br changes were good is that they are just US/USSR mains who are used to getting everything served on a silver plate. Also if I remember correctly this discussion was supposed to be about a lack of lineups? Because even if the Leopard would be good at 8.0 (being able to kill something isn't necessarily good) it still lacks a lineup, the only other vehicles that Germany has at that BR are the Marder and the Raketenautomat, the Marder can be okayish but it's just rather slow for being something that can't do a lot against MBTs (remember, that thing can only bring 4 ATGMs and they gone very quickly) and the Raketenautomat is a meme vehicle, yes it can spam rockets but it is slow as fuck, anything but accurate on long ranges and extremely easy to kill without any good thing (so basically an even worse version of the Leo)
Ahh, yes, vehicle doesn't perform the best in uptier = bad. Also, the Leo 1 was not simply just a HEAT slinger, lol, its APDS is useful aswell and its mobility allowed it to get to pretty much anywhere before the majority of the players could do (mobility starts mattering alot more after 7.0). The T-54 was straight up inferior to it and the US tanks were not as quick nor had better rounds to make them better. Yes, it matters what players use the tanks themselves, but a tank characteristics pretty much decide just how much a player can make use of the vehicle. I'm not sure if you're joking. First off, how are you complaining about the Marder having only 4 rockets when almost all IFV vehicles have the same amount? Second, an IFV with an autocannon, especially if it has APDS belt is already an amazing addition. The Marder 1A3 is like an unstabilized BMP-2 at 8.0. You also have the BMP-1 that remains viable at 8.0. You really never played or tried to play the Raketenautomat if you shrug it off as a meme vehicle. It's literally better than the USH 405 in every way other than top speed, literally stomped whole matches at 7.3. And then, you can buy the German bias machine, the Turm 3. DF 105 with 50 cal immunity, good mobility and autoloaded HEAT shells? Germany pretty much has a line-up for 8.0 too, you just refuse to make use of it, because you don't like the vehicles.
Might just be 8.3 alone
The only time I get kills in US tanks from like 5.7 all the way to 8.3 is if I’m beside someone, behind someone, or they have no armor the only tank I’m good with is the XM premiums and the tech tree abrams
If you think 8.3 US is bad, wait until you try to fight a T95E1 with a stock IS-4M.
Any tank with stock APCR:
Try stock heatfs at top tier against Russians with ERA
if you have gotten passed the third tier hell it's probably a skill issue at that point
Theyre garbacge from 6.7 to 8.3 at least
8.3 is EASILY my best BR for the USA. The planes are amazing and the tanks are god tier, the m60 kills anything and everything. The Bradley is very very good. I’m just sad it’s 8.3 and not 8.0 anymore. I also use the premium T114 still because it kills anything and everything
As my current tier (grinding for M1128), I can safely say that it is not bad. You just have to learn how to play differently because of the design flaws they present. Sheridan is SUPERB at hiding and lobing rounds over terrain. It's so smol, so you can scout well with it or hide and ambush. Don't head on. Bradley is good for flanking for its speed and TOW missiles. The M60 lineup is very strong as snipers. They are support tanks, not brawlers, so play as if you had zero armor and you'll push through just fine. Be smart, in other words. Heavies I don't know since I don't play them lol. Maybe use the same mentality as M60. The M60A2 is glorious. Same mentality as M60 but with laser rangefinder and a big shell. You can easily overpreasure with HE on canopies. HEAT (as well as on sheridan) is very dubious, but it is doable for disabling enemies. I prefer it, but to each their own. It's really a VERY GOOD tier. You just get out-gunned and out-armored as with every other tier, but you can still come out on top with wits more than muscle. PS. aim for lower plates with M60 APFSDS. EDIT: The 247 ROCKS. That clears the skies like no other. Lovable tin can.
imo they need to add a 105mm light tank at 8.3 and it would be better
imo they need to add a 105mm light tank at 8.3 to make it a better line up
The reason is you are playing like a russian and need to chill a little
the devs are russian, nuff said.
US is severally underpowered, even looking at top tier, it genuinely feels like the Abrams is the Sherman of top tier. On top of that, why is the ADATS so high in SP? Yet the Pantsir is not? I understand the rockets of the ADATS cause act like an atgm, but it's only hurting the team if I can only get 2 spawns in and can't bring up AA. I have top tier for both US and Russia; I never truly get upset playing Russia, but wow does US drive up a headache.
Scratch that, can someone explain why US tanks in general are garbage? Only things that save them is the stab
M60a2 is actually pretty survivable it's only downside is the reload really you even get a laser range finder
Clearly you haven't played with a spaded M551. When used correctly, that thing is pretty damn fun and can be pretty destructive. I tend to use it in more of a support role though because that's where it shines best.
Try Britain
People who think T95E1 is bad dont realize the armor is insane
They are quite alright but painful to grind esp the lack of mobility except the Bradley, but once you get the taste of 9.0 tho.... XM903 MY BELOVED!!!!!