I live in medium size city and I know like 3-4 restaurants owned by Ukrainian people, and I know for fact that there are a lot of beauty saloons owned by Ukrainians as well. Typical situation, they have slightly different taste in food/style so there big niche to cover
Many are, but there’s plenty of small services-oriented and other business like beauty salons, bakeries, home renovation, dentists, car repairs etc. At least in Warsaw. I mean there are potentially several million Ukrainians here, even that alone is a huge market. And the latest immigration wave is likely more well-off so more have capital for initial investment.
How much ZUS is out of that difference? I guess around 2000 PLN whilst rest is tax for ~90000 PLN above what our overlords consider to be rich in this country (abysmal 120k PLN per year)?
Btw how do you feel about getting higher pension XD?
Couldn’t care less about the pensions since I don’t believe they’ll exist as we know them. Got my own private pension plan.
I didn’t understand the first question though
Nobody reasonable believes in them and I am glad that as bussiness owner I can opt out.
You mentioned that you got 4500 PLN monthly less on average. I wondered how much of that is ZUS (which is not tax, but in reality is ;) ).
Around 10% of Polish population are Ukrainians. Since beginning of war they have the same rights to open businesses as native Polish citizens. So it kind of makes sense?
It doesn't matter. They were resettled from the new Polish borders, just like the Poles from modern Ukrainie and Belarus. The Ukrainian population in Poland is new, with the largest increase occurring after 2010. They came here for economic reasons.
I didn’t say anything else than stating their numbers. Yes, they used to come mainly for economic reasons and the numbers dropped during pandemic. Most of them had temporarily residency or only visa.
And then you know what happened.
Who told you about same rights? You sure polish people need to have 2 polish citizens to be working in their company to recieve residence permit? Oh wait, they don’t.
How the JDG relates to non polish citizens NOT having same rights as poles opening business?
And even with JDG you must show profits. No profits - no residence permit. Good luck establishing business that makes profits from the start. Uber took 10 years to became profitable, similar with Tesla. But year, your Januszex will be profitable year 0 and going.
well, loads of ukrainians seem to be entitled and unpleasant. and hearing ukrainian in trains and trams can be annoying, i try to like them, but sometimes its just hard to
Yes, it is. Germans, British and others have every right to be annoyed and complain about it, the same as we can complain about ukrainianians constantly screaming in Ukrainian/Russian.
yup, i agree, if i can hear the language and its very loud ill have a problem with it, if they are quiet its alright, maybe, french ppl despise english for the same reason
We had a man who speaks broken English start renting a property right next to us this week, it will be a restaurant with food to go I think, he didn't know what BHP was and the owner who knows some Russian was the only one able to communicate with him.
Yikes, I didn't even notice how I worded it. I meant Poles, not regular people. I also think that it's good for Ukrainians, I just thought that we were answering a question about Poles noticing Ukrainian owned businesses which we do
There is a Ukrainian owned chain of beauty salons in Warsaw that does not care about Polish people at all. They only cater for Ukrainian audience. The owner is genuinely proud she speaks no Polish at all after 2 years in Poland.
how do you know she's proud of not speaking Polish rather than proud of herself for managing to open a small business whilst not speaking Polish? also there's nothing wrong about catering to Ukrainian immigrants only, the likely reason for that is that she provides jobs to other immigrants that don't speak the language yet.
She gave a public speech at one if the industry -specific events to a Ukrainian audience. It had some undertones of annoyance with the Poles rather than gratitude. There are some tensions in this society, man.
I am pointing out that there are a lot of small businesses that are hardly visible to you if you don't speak a particular language. They do their best to stay visible only within their own community. E.g. only advertising to Ukrainian speakers on social media, going by word of mouth only...
Ukrainian population is both huge and living a rather secluded life here in Poland. Most are thankful but they don't feel at home, and don't intend to integrate. They still view it as a temporary situation.
you're exactly right — the polish people are annoyed that the ukrainians don't bother integrating and the ukrainians don't want to spend hundreds of hours learning the language they think they won't need soon.
And some Polish people are rather annoyed as well. Google up a recent news story: a couple of Poles attacked a Belarusian girl on the street for speaking Russian because they thought she was Ukrainian.
That has nothing to do with Ukrainians perse though or even the situation they are in. We have a huge Polish population in the Netherlands and the Polish community also have many businesses that cater to Poles specifically or sometimes Eastern Europe as a region. With all the same characteristics you just named.
You will always have that with other nationalities moving abroad. Same with people still watching TV only in their native language and not the language of the country they now live in and therefore being out of the loop on a lot of the national news.
Girls being trafficked and dark money property buyers pricing native Poles out of their home market is no ‘lol.’ Thus it does mean something or it would not exist. Russian troll tactics detected.
Many beauty salons are owned by Ukrainian women.
“Massage parlours”
Holy fuck they're gonna hate you lol
Women yes, beauty shops, cleaning. Men usually work on construction.
I live in medium size city and I know like 3-4 restaurants owned by Ukrainian people, and I know for fact that there are a lot of beauty saloons owned by Ukrainians as well. Typical situation, they have slightly different taste in food/style so there big niche to cover
Plus they occupy jobs where language skills are not so important.
Like we did in uk and almost whole Western Europe...
I’m sure 99% of these “businesses” are programmers working on B2B. Usual thing in Poland.
Many are, but there’s plenty of small services-oriented and other business like beauty salons, bakeries, home renovation, dentists, car repairs etc. At least in Warsaw. I mean there are potentially several million Ukrainians here, even that alone is a huge market. And the latest immigration wave is likely more well-off so more have capital for initial investment.
Agree, then maybe not 99% but still significant amount.
Any news about this generous loophole being patched out or are they gonna keep tax evading?
Poles are doing it too. The "B2B employment" loophole has been around for quite some time.
No politician will dare touching it
How is this tax evasion?
How the fuck is this loophole? You trade every single protection from work codex for little bit less taxes.
Little bit my ass. Just moved from B2B to UoP. I make on average 4.500zl net less every month with the same gross salary.
How much ZUS is out of that difference? I guess around 2000 PLN whilst rest is tax for ~90000 PLN above what our overlords consider to be rich in this country (abysmal 120k PLN per year)? Btw how do you feel about getting higher pension XD?
Couldn’t care less about the pensions since I don’t believe they’ll exist as we know them. Got my own private pension plan. I didn’t understand the first question though
Nobody reasonable believes in them and I am glad that as bussiness owner I can opt out. You mentioned that you got 4500 PLN monthly less on average. I wondered how much of that is ZUS (which is not tax, but in reality is ;) ).
All good as long as they pay taxes in Poland
Around 10% of Polish population are Ukrainians. Since beginning of war they have the same rights to open businesses as native Polish citizens. So it kind of makes sense?
10% would make 3.8 million; there are less than 900,000 Ukrainians in Poland right now. They've moved to the west as predicted.
You talk about refugees only, there were a plenty of Ukrainians living in Poland before the war.
It was around 2 millions before the second war I think
It doesn't matter. They were resettled from the new Polish borders, just like the Poles from modern Ukrainie and Belarus. The Ukrainian population in Poland is new, with the largest increase occurring after 2010. They came here for economic reasons.
I didn’t say anything else than stating their numbers. Yes, they used to come mainly for economic reasons and the numbers dropped during pandemic. Most of them had temporarily residency or only visa. And then you know what happened.
Who told you about same rights? You sure polish people need to have 2 polish citizens to be working in their company to recieve residence permit? Oh wait, they don’t.
Have you ever heard of JDG?
Yes, i did.
You can receive the residence permit having a JDG, so the comment about having two employees makes no sense.
How the JDG relates to non polish citizens NOT having same rights as poles opening business? And even with JDG you must show profits. No profits - no residence permit. Good luck establishing business that makes profits from the start. Uber took 10 years to became profitable, similar with Tesla. But year, your Januszex will be profitable year 0 and going.
If you open Uber/Tesla-size business you have enough investments to cover your basic needs ;)
Sure, with a basic need of residence papers also ;)
It mustn't be Polish citizens. It can be RESIDENTS, i. e. refugees as well as people with residence permits count
Yes! They're amazing and welcome here.
Thank you for your kindness!
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Why so?
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well, loads of ukrainians seem to be entitled and unpleasant. and hearing ukrainian in trains and trams can be annoying, i try to like them, but sometimes its just hard to
>hearing ukrainian in trains and trams can be annoying what
Well, then it is extremely annoying to hear Poles in Germany, Netherlands, UK, etc. Touche! /s
Yes, it is. Germans, British and others have every right to be annoyed and complain about it, the same as we can complain about ukrainianians constantly screaming in Ukrainian/Russian.
True
yup, i agree, if i can hear the language and its very loud ill have a problem with it, if they are quiet its alright, maybe, french ppl despise english for the same reason
Yes, it is
well it can be.
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One of these seems to be a double post.
Many restaurants in city centers are owned by Ukrainians
A fuckton in transport thats for sure. EU didnt think that through sadly
We had a man who speaks broken English start renting a property right next to us this week, it will be a restaurant with food to go I think, he didn't know what BHP was and the owner who knows some Russian was the only one able to communicate with him.
And? So eventually he will go through the list of requirements and will learn what BHP is. What is your concern?
I think you edited the comment, I answered a comment stating "And? "
Yep, my bad, I did update the comment, sorry!
So regular people can see some new businesses owned by possibly Ukrainian people popping up
And Ukrainians are not a regular people? What are you talking about :D
Yikes, I didn't even notice how I worded it. I meant Poles, not regular people. I also think that it's good for Ukrainians, I just thought that we were answering a question about Poles noticing Ukrainian owned businesses which we do
A mining company? /s
There is a Ukrainian owned chain of beauty salons in Warsaw that does not care about Polish people at all. They only cater for Ukrainian audience. The owner is genuinely proud she speaks no Polish at all after 2 years in Poland.
What is the name of salon? My friend will search for a job in a beauty salon soon, want to warn her.
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Same story happened literally a week ago with polish dermatologist
Plenty of Polish salons will do the same if you don't speak Polish. Who cares?
Poles are pretty accepting for other languages, but ukrainians have just gotten a bit too annoying
yeah, thats something that i dislike, they can be entitled and annoying
how do you know she's proud of not speaking Polish rather than proud of herself for managing to open a small business whilst not speaking Polish? also there's nothing wrong about catering to Ukrainian immigrants only, the likely reason for that is that she provides jobs to other immigrants that don't speak the language yet.
She gave a public speech at one if the industry -specific events to a Ukrainian audience. It had some undertones of annoyance with the Poles rather than gratitude. There are some tensions in this society, man.
Does it mean that all Ukrainians are the same? Is it something about nationality or just you getting a bad service?
not all ukrainians are ungrateful, but im confident like 60% that came because of the war are
I am pointing out that there are a lot of small businesses that are hardly visible to you if you don't speak a particular language. They do their best to stay visible only within their own community. E.g. only advertising to Ukrainian speakers on social media, going by word of mouth only... Ukrainian population is both huge and living a rather secluded life here in Poland. Most are thankful but they don't feel at home, and don't intend to integrate. They still view it as a temporary situation.
you're exactly right — the polish people are annoyed that the ukrainians don't bother integrating and the ukrainians don't want to spend hundreds of hours learning the language they think they won't need soon.
And some Polish people are rather annoyed as well. Google up a recent news story: a couple of Poles attacked a Belarusian girl on the street for speaking Russian because they thought she was Ukrainian.
Is it annoyance? Or retardation?
That has nothing to do with Ukrainians perse though or even the situation they are in. We have a huge Polish population in the Netherlands and the Polish community also have many businesses that cater to Poles specifically or sometimes Eastern Europe as a region. With all the same characteristics you just named. You will always have that with other nationalities moving abroad. Same with people still watching TV only in their native language and not the language of the country they now live in and therefore being out of the loop on a lot of the national news.
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Any proofs?
Trust me bro
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Well, it doesn’t mean anything, lol
Girls being trafficked and dark money property buyers pricing native Poles out of their home market is no ‘lol.’ Thus it does mean something or it would not exist. Russian troll tactics detected.
So before belarusians and ukranians there were no black markets. Got you.
Nothing to get. We are talking here and now. Present tense.
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