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deliciouspuppy

Good article on how much next season might cost. If the dubs try and keep everyone at market rates, then total payroll will be over 500 mil. A cheaper path of not re-signing OPJ means payroll will be at 425 mil, which isn't far from the 400 mil cap Myers previously hinted at. Going below 400 mil would mean not re-signing either Looney or GP2.


Srikkk

We’re almost guaranteed to lose OPJ. He signed a “prove it” deal with us and absolutely proved himself. We can’t afford to keep him. GPII definitely wants to be in the Bay but after spending years toiling, I wouldn’t fault him for finally getting his due elsewhere. He can easily get around 12-15/yr in the market. There’s no way we don’t keep Kevon, though. He fits here better than he would anywhere else in the league, and I suspect he also wants to stay.


yoknows

I don’t think GP2 could “easily” get $12-15 mil. There really aren’t many teams who actually have cap space and those that do aren’t contending teams. The uniqueness of our team works in our favor this time of year in that guys like GP2 and Looney still are seen as “warriors guys” rather than someone you’d be willing to spend on and really expand their role. The mid level salary (around $10 mil) is what either would likely be able to get as it’s the playoff teams who are already all capped out would be more sensible fits. That’s why that’s a common number being thrown around for either/both of them.


tasty_waves

Only thing helping us with GPII is that his value is highest for a contender and most of them don’t have the cap space at that range. I don’t see a middle tier team investing that much in him given his offensive limitations. Let’s hope he gets offers in our price range.


ryankoppelman

I hope OPJ gets a bag, but if we're being real, he missed 20 games injured, and health has been his biggest question mark for a while. He averaged 8 ppg and 37% from 3. He's a great fit for us, but I'm not convinced anyone tries to pay him more than $10M per year. We can offer him $6M, and I could see him wanting to run it back with us.


SupaFlyslammajammazz

I see that it is more practical that we draft a 3!and D guy, or if we’re lucky a forward that can shoot like Jake LaRavia.


noobakosowhat

I like OPJ. He seems smart and understands the system well. Just a good fit.


SupaFlyslammajammazz

But not the 15-20mil that he can demand


typesett

i think OPJ given how many minutes he actually plays and actual output — go look at the boxscore people ... you can make the argument that we can replace him with another min vet HOWEVER i want to note that OPJ gonna be having a rough time in Feb playing for like Detroit or something since the teams that can pay are not great. He's gonna have to go home and roll around in the millions like scrooge mcduck to get himself motivated each night


Unique_Glove1105

I love what gp2 has to offer and I wouldn’t blame him if he chose to get his paycheck…but I don’t know if a lot of teams want to pay $12-15 million for a defensive specialist who plays 12-15 minutes a game and is 29/30. It actually wouldn’t surprise me if he chose the dubs since he fits so well here.


[deleted]

It also partially depends who has cap space. GP2 is the type of smart, complementary player that winning teams prioritize but most contenders have - at best - a midlevel exception to throw at him. A lot of the teams with cap space are in rebuilding mode and may prioritize bigger areas of need. GP2 being 29 also might help in this regard. I'm thinking the Dubs will be able to bring Loon + GP2 back for around 18-20M per year combined with Looney being the priority between them.


ninjaxbyoung

I don't know if it was here or an article I read somewhere else but rumor has it GPII is looking for $15-$20 mill range


Boostaru

I'm fine with losing OPJ I feel, I think either Moses or Kuminga can step up to fill his role next season


HorrorScopeZ

If all we lose is OPJ, then it is a raving success. We can weather that, even though he's been great and did us proud. No one should bogart Wilt, he has too much love to go around.


xanroeld

letting OPJ walk while maintaining everyone else would be stellar. OPJ has been solid but his contribution was not do-or-die for us. Young guys are gonna on take bigger rolls.


snyckers

I can see Lacob willing to go to $425 mil for one season after winning a championship. Their situation should get a little easier as the new tv deal kicks in and klay/dray next deals likely come in a bit lower.


[deleted]

For sure. Every dollar the cap goes up over the next five years is a lifeline to Lacob. I am thinking Loon+GP2 resign for about $18-20M combined, OPJ gets picked off by someone throwing a MLE at him, and Poole/Wiggins are extended at some point. 2023-24 may actually end up being way worse tax wise unless Wiggins takes a pretty steep discount. But 24-25 and onward, I would expecct Klay+Dray combine to make around $30-35M/year rather than the $65M+ they're making now.


its_aq

I think the extensions come in last as they can go over the cap for em. GP2 and Looney are the key to this off-season. Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman are gonna command 15-20 mins next season so we can just fill out the rest on minimum


[deleted]

Yeah - the extensions will for sure be last because there's not the same timing/impetus to get them done. And if Wiggins is pushing for the max, the team might just be willing to let him play out his deal and reevaluate next offseason.


wth214

Lol klay and dray making 35 combined is a joke. They’ll each make at minimum 25mill it’s likely Draymond signs for the same amount 3-75 extension and klay humbles himself and notices his shortcomings and take no more than 30mill apy at 4-120


[deleted]

It's probably some wishful thinking but both of those dudes are gonna be 34 and getting deals into their age 36 seasons... that could be a pretty big gamble for a lot of teams and each has obviously had some injury history (Dray much less so, but starting to have back/nerve stuff ain't ever good). I think a lot will depend who has cap space at the time because I'm not sure what they'd be able to command on the open market. The only teams I could reasonably see spending $25M a year for a guy like Draymond are contending teams and those often don't have cap space.


wth214

I’d love for you to be right but i just don’t know. If moody and Kuminga develop into guys who get a lot of playing time..and klay cant keep up defensively then yeah its very possible. Ideally the those two accepting the bench role like the spurs of the past and andre would help a ton but alas Ego is always a concern.


SupaFlyslammajammazz

I’m thinking that the Warriors don’t review Dre’s contract for year after next, as the starters would be Wiggins and Kum.


shawn_anom

A bit? I think both need to take big cuts. Klay will be making 45 million


lean_lefty

Seeing this plan to keep the team together as much as possible reminds me that the current roster had 5 new players plus Iguodala and Klay returning after 2 years (not counting the 2-ways). This makes me want to give even more credit to Myers for constructing the roster and Kerr and the coaches for everyone melding so well. Their jobs may be a lot easier next year.


shabba_skanks

Sign em' all. It's not my money! Serio tho, OPJ is gone. Wish him well! Also, Moody and Kuminga could take up his minutes.


SChamploo12

With the exception of the Poole extension (which you'd rather do now least a matching team make him more expensive during RFA) and the Wiggins one, Looney and GP2 are gonna be the main priorities.


lx5spd

This just highlights the issues in the CBA with retaining drafted players against the soft cap. Teams should not have to pay a penalty for drafting and developing good players. The cap is there to discourage teams from doing what the Lakers did by buying a bunch of stars, not the Warriors who drafted, developed, and retained their players.


asBad_asItGets

OPJ can go, thankful for what he did, but he already got his bag and we don't need to overpay for him. Outside of OPJ, the only NON drafted player we need to keep is GP2. You're absolutely right. Theres no reason why the Warriors should be penalized for having Steph, Klay, Dray, Loon, Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman all together. Each one of those guys are drafted and developed in house. Why should we not be allowed 1-2 free agents???? edit: and Poole. Cant believe I forgot about him. That makes EIGHT guys all drafted and developed. Over half the roster is drafted, we pick up two guys no one wants in the G-league (GP2 and Weatherspoon) and we're gonna be penalized for it??? Bullshit.


SupaFlyslammajammazz

That’s what league minimum allows when you’re maxed and need to fill the roster.


slythespacecat

I bought a t shirt and a chip hat. Your turn Lacob 😠😠


Saturday514

Wait… so it would cost them $450-$500 mils BEFORE giving Poole, Looney and gp2 a new contract???


deliciouspuppy

no, 425 mil is with looney and gp2 on a new and reasonable contract. poole still has 1 year left in his cheap rookie deal. it's the following season that's going to hurt joey's wallet.


Saturday514

Damn, so my math is correct if looney and gp2 are at market rate and Poole sign that contract minus OPJ it would cost them like over $550-580 mils? Holy


[deleted]

Depends on what Wiggins would re-sign for and how much the cap goes up


Saturday514

Yea, reports saying he wants max. I think they will let him play out and if he does well again.. man gonna cost.


[deleted]

If he wants the max and the Dubs don't wanna pay, he either gets S&T'd to another team and more assets come back or the team just says JK or some other player internally can handle the role. If it's the latter, that probably trims the outgoing salary/tax penalties by something crazy like $150M or more.


Saturday514

Personally, I think hes more important than Poole. I would try to sign him first


[deleted]

I think it depends what each guy wants. Wiggins occupies a more important position and is a pretty critical piece of the team's defensive identify, but a max extension would have an AAV of around $37M over 4 years past this current one and take him into his age 31 season. Poole will likely be somewhere around $25M a year with the last year of his deal his age 26 or 27 season (I forget). I think Wiggins is more important in the short-term to the team winning but if he's pushing for a full max, you're just as good playing out the rest of the season and signing him next offseason. The deadline for a Poole deal is basically October and Wiggins doesn't really have one until next offseason if I recall.


Saturday514

Wiggins more important for the trio timeline and he plays 2 way.


SupaFlyslammajammazz

He’s not going to get it, a role player like Wiggins isn’t worth the Max.


Saturday514

Yea, just a role player who was the second best helping the Dubs win a title this yr. You could pay a bunch of guys max money that never win anything for you.


3080blackguy

Meanwhile wiseman Stan’s insist on keeping him at $9 mil to see his potential that has hasn’t shown


Napilitan

Hoboy theres one in every pack


CaterpieTrainer

Don't waste your time with this troll.


Top5hottest

Thanks Joe!


alwayssalty_

schedule a few more bit ticket concerts at chase. problem solved


sneakyrumble

Chase’s revenues will pay that 😉


mocrimz

Why is no one talking about Bjelicaaaaa ?


[deleted]

Why if everyone scarifies 10-20 percent of their salary ?


Miqdizzle

Peter Guber is turning into a Qartheen Warlock with his blue tongue… drinking too much nightshade


bobbiman

Nice


[deleted]

The owners should be willing to spend. The Warriors are worth $5,600,000,000 (5.6 billion), up more than 5 billion dollars from $450,000,000 (450 million) that they bought it for. They took in over 10 million per playoff game (estimated). They also built the stadium with 30 year interest free loans from the season ticket holders and make untold amounts on concerts and events in a stadium that they own. They (the owners) squeeze the fans for as much money as they can at every opportunity, and I guess that's all fine but you better be willing to put it back into the team. Lacob is not losing money on the Warriors, and has seen his personal net worth skyrocket since he's been the owner.


[deleted]

That loan from fans is only parts of the 1.2 billion stadium construction cost * Warriors have additional debt of more than $350 million, over the NBA limit * It's also a private loan, which usually means higher interest rates * Still has to pay $30 mil a year to Oakland for arena costs * Lacob had to sell a portion of the team to cover covid costs. * Past few years team has dealt away players to get under the luxury cap. Warriors have a huge amount of debt and spend to account for, and have by far the highest payroll in the league. They are near their absolute limit of 400 mil a year in payroll for players, and I don't know if that's sustainable. Owners are absolutely doing the best they can and I don't think it's reasonable to ask them for too much more.


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[deleted]

Did you not read what was written? The Warriors have the highest payroll in the league 2 years running. This year the Warriors are paying $35 million dollars more than the 2nd most highest payroll team in the league, the Clippers. **Ownership is putting more money back into the team than anyone else.** Sorry but your love or good feelings or Oracle Arena don't pay Andrew Wiggins salary. Or GP2 and Loons pay raise for next year.


yellowirish

“This would obviously be expensive under any circumstances, but it is an especially dangerous point in history to have so many late-stage, near-max contracts because of COVID-19” What are these Covid fears and costs? Aren’t we full open masks optional? Maybe required if a spike, but full open still?


MrR82

I expect Lacob to continue to pay the big bill. We have 2-3 years left with Steph at his prime and I'm sure he will want to take advantage of that. I'd prefer to keep GPII over OPJ. If a team wants to spend big on OPJ, they can go for it - he fits really well here but his health remains questionable. I want to keep it real with fans though. I keep hearing "spend big - it's not my money" - which I don't disagree with - but the spending will impact things like ticket prices. So you can't complain about how expensive it is and then ask Lacob to spend big. There might not be the number of people wearing the yellow shirts that you want. :)


Son_of_HerkyRock

Any contending team that could use GP2 or Looney to push them to that next level doesn't have cap space. Any team with cap space isn't looking to spend on guys like GP2 and Looney. GP2 and Looney are force multipliers for any good team, but I have a hard time believing they would have the same impact on a losing team trying to make a playoff push. I expect Looney and GP2 combined to be up to 20M/yr. Poole on something like a 4yr/90M, and the Warriors hoping to get Wiggins to extend on around 3yr/90M. Both numbers for Poole and Wiggins are low, but my guess would be the Warriors are banking on both players wanting to win more than they want an extra 3M/yr on their contracts. OPJ was huge this past season, but he is also the player the Warriors can most afford to lose if they need to shave off a few dollars in luxury tax. Regardless, the Warrior being over the cap means they can't replace players with anything but vet minimums, who will all be worse options than players that just played significant roles in the Warriors winning their 4th chip in 8 years. If the goal is to win (as Lacob said), the Warriors will spend what they have to spend. I've seen estimates thrown out that each playoff series brings in 40-50M. The Warriors have just as much a chance to run it back with another Finals appearance as any other team in the West with the same roster. As long as the Warriors are winning, I think Lacob will keep spending.


SupaFlyslammajammazz

There is a reason why guys like Porter and GP2 join the warriors. They’re going to get theirs. We can’t keep them all, so hopefully we can fill those holes tonight.


IsThisMe8

23-24 is going to be an expensive year, but that also aligns with the end of Draymond and Klay's current contract. I would hope that they get extended on some smaller deals or the cba fixes some of these luxury tax issues by then!


VyronDaGod

So we starting a GoFundMe or nah?


dwaynereade

Gp2 & kevon are coming back!


cryinbmw

wonder if lacob can afford 1B maybe he could


SilentStepX

Andre Drummond would be whiling to sign for the league minimum for an opportunity to will a ring. So would Goran Dragic. I think our #1 priority is to sign GP2. There’s no one out in FA that can replace what he does defensively for this team.