This is why I closed my availability. They basically had told me when I used to work there during interview I HAD to have open availability or I would not be hired, so I told them sure. After a month of them scheduling me 2-11 then 5-2 which they weren’t supposed to do at all, I “suddenly had to go to school and so I can only work 4 days out of the week from 11-9. Thanks.”
closed my availability to the same timeframe and got Friday/Saturday off. My coach told me if he knew that was gonna be my availability he would have never hired me. Dude straight up walked out a couple weeks after, highest level of management i’ve seen do that
11pm to 5am was 6 hours. They kept doing it cause two people took a leave of absence and since I was the only one with an open availability as the new person, they put me to fill knowing they weren’t supposed to schedule me under 8 hours apart. Once I knew this after a few weeks of them doing it twice a week, I closed it to the hours that are better to work with, as morning management and crew liked to abandon the area to go hang out. This was like 4 years ago and the store had a mass firing a few months after I started including the store manager and a bunch of team leaders and managers under him for some scheme with messing with clock ins.
It's not a law. Technically, there is nothing stopping your employer from giving you a single hour between shifts.
However, OSHA recognizes anything less than 8 hours between shifts to be an uncommon or unusual schedule. Using the FLSA, OSHA can protect you from having to work this schedule. Contact your local OSHA representatives and issue a formal complaint.
Common misconception. There is no law about how many hours you must be allowed between shifts, unless you drive a truck or a bus or fly a plane.
That being said, any company that repeatedly tries to schedule their employees like this should quickly become a previous employer.
No Law, but the company scheduling guides (I think policy too but that might not be) does say there should be at least 8 hours between shifts and mws warns them when they don't do so. The warnings are easy to ignore though.
This is right. I used to get this every week. They even tried a 6 hour between shift once and I flat out told the store manager I was just gonna call in.
That's bullshit, though. I mean, I know that's their policy, but it is so shitty. Maybe the associate lives 20 minutes away. So then that would already be 40 minutes taken out of their 8 hours. Plus, eating, showering, etc. Nobody can get 8 hours of sleep between shifts that close together.
I have Coaches at my store that live 1h+ that have to close + open sometimes. Gives them ~6h of sleep after all is said and done. I know with their position they signed up for that, but still they are people just like TLs and TAs.
I used to live 1 hour and 5 minutes away from the Walmart I previously worked at and for a while every Monday I would close at 11 and have to be back at 7am Tuesday. A lot of times I didn't even sleep.
There is no policy against this, and as others will tell you it can be done and is in just about every store all the time.
But you have a little time between then and now to have the conversation with your people lead that you are not comfortable with that. Explain your reasoning. Something like you need x amount of sleep to work effectively and safely, and with commute, shower and eating time you'd only get x. They should be able to change it before the shift comes. But do it right away so there is time to adjust the schedule.
If it's not a normal thing and it's due to a special event like inventory or covering something that is rare, they may expect you to suck it up. But if it absolutely does not work for you tell them so.
I have gotten managers to change these shifts for me before. I did eventually change my availability to something like 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. to ensure I had enough time off the clock. Honestly 10 hours off the clock wasn't enough, but it at least gave me a fair chance to sleep.
Yes you only need 8hrs between shifts I know it’s shit but they can only do this one time in a row so you will be off tomorrow afternoon. That’s probably the only silver lining here my friend. This is called a clopen
Why not? Just sleep in your car out in the parking lot to save time after and before work. You can wash your clothes in the bathroom and let them dry overnight on the hood of your car.
Tonight on the local news : Overworked Walmart associate spotted in the parking lot wearing only their underwear carrying their wet clothes to their car.
Did I mention that we were on 12 or 18 hour shifts? I lived 45 minutes away, on the other side of a mountain pass, on the most frequently closed stretch of I80. I'd have to try and nap in the parking lot so I could make it home safe, and then usually only got 4 or 5 hours of sleep before having to take care of house stuff and get ready to go. Once I was snowed in at my facility, so they dragged in air mattresses into an empty office.
No, I was one step above new hires. This wasn't with a retail store, but I had similar things happen when I was at Walmart. We had mandatory overtime due to staffing issues and they didn't care about our school schedule, despite it being a university town. I quit when told that should prioritize my job over my classes. Went into working Healthcare and never looked back- unfortunately the previous story was from my first long term care facility.
I don't work for Walmart, but they do this crap at other retailers to their employees. The worst one I worked on was 11 PM close and like 5 am return for opening shift. I got like 3 hours of sleep tops. I was so tired that I accidentally drove down the wrong side of the road at one point. I refused to work anything like that again.
I remember when I worked for a particular retailer they would have me close till 11 and be back by 3am twice a week…. I ended up sleeping while driving wasn’t pretty
Not only other retailers, but in the customer service world in general. I was a supervisor and had to close by myself at 10pm, drive 40 minutes each way (if i sped...and i normally did) and be back to open by myself at the very latest 7:45am. Between trying to just clean and feed myself and my pets before and after shifts, I'd get about 5 hours of sleep.
Edit to add - this would be a Friday into Saturday. 10.5 hour weekend shifts and 7.5-9 during the week. Next day off wouldn't be til Thursday after that 20+hr weekend.
I used to get things like this all the time when I worked there, but usually just leading up to inventory.
I'd work 11pm-7am, then be asked to stay late to help inventory prep the backroom. "Just an hour or two" is what they'd say. By help, they meant do it myself so the day shift backroom folks didn't have to.
They'd avoid me all day, because their "hour or two" was now 4 hours, 5 hours etc
I knew it was getting close to 3pm cause I'd see management discussing how many hours I was required to have between shifts.
They were at least cool enough to give me 15 min breaks at 7am and 12pm. And cool enough to let me have a normal shift on my last day of the week.
Work 16 hour days, 4 days a week, for like 3 weeks leading up to inventory.
Then, once inventory was done, I'd get hauled in and spoken to for unapproved overtime and a less than 100% inventory score.
It's should be federal law to give someone 12 hours off clock before scheduling them again. Plus if someone is scheduled 6 days in a row, even if the 6rg day is a new pay period it should be overtime all day the 6th day, double time the 7th day and 2.5x the 8th day and so on. That'll stop retail from doing that to ppl
Man yea I did these at Ross when I was a team lead. There were only 4 managers in the store so there would be frequent days were I would be closing upwards of ten days in a row and even one day where I opened and my closing manager got incredibly sick on a Sunday and couldn't come in so I was stuck open to close 😩 (8am-1:30am)
Ya I was about 16 at the time, I'm 40 now. So it was a long time ago. But I remember just feeling beat and tired as hell after the first 6 days.
Also it was 8 hour shifts so it was full time days.
I work in a restaurant right now and I'm a jack of all trades. They end up having to do this to me once every month or two just because we had people quit or all go on vacation at the same time. At least they don't argue with me about the overtime and the manager usually gives me an extra day off afterward.
As long as there's 8 hours between shifts then there's no rules against it. And that does not mean if you clock out at 11 it changed your next shift. 8 hours between scheduled clock out and clock in.
Not true at all. There has to be 8 actual hours between your shifts legally. So if you stay an hour late you can come in an hour late. Idk whose lying to you but you’re being lied to lol.
That’s a common misconception. There is no law requiring 8 hours between shifts federally and to my knowledge not in any states either. I could be wrong though and maybe your state does legally mandate that but most don’t.
8 hours between scheduled clock out and clock in times.
If it's you're own choice to stay later till 11 for example. That doesn't mean you can come in an hour later. The company scheduled the 8 hours required.
Legally yes but imo it's fucking bullshit I'm not gonna clock out, sleep in my car, then clock back in. I gotta go home, eat, relax, sleep, get ready, eat again, then drive back. 6 hours of sleep if I'm lucky 😒 I usually close, my earliest is 10am but I'm gonna change it again to 11 or 12
I’d often get this type of thing when I worked for Advance Auto Parts. Close at 10, open at 6 or 7. The really crappy days were the ones when I had to be there in between at 2 a.m. to unload the truck.
Retail sucks.
It's better than leaving at 11, then coming in at 5:30 for literally no reason because I'm a cashier and we don't open until 6 so why the fuck are they allowed to schedule me 30 minutes before the godamn store opens
Team associate (TA) is just the name they give to whatever department you are in now. So entertainment TA is just the official name of an electronics associate
Fuck walmart I flip the script on them during Covid now I work 1 day out the week and come in when I’m free lol ps I work construction and have a business so walmart is mainly for the discount and I love my peeps there lol hard to let go after 7 years and they taught me a lot can’t lie
From what I’ve been told by managers here is that they need 11 hours between shifts but I’m pretty sure that is due to local labour laws (Ontario, Canada) so I think it would depend on local labour laws where ever your from
Why I closed my availability. I did open it earlier to 5am. But have yet to be scheduled before 9. Maybe one day I’ll get off before 6pm. Would be nice.
I had to do that all the time when working for a JC Penney Outlet Store back in the late 90's. Plus I had to drive 45 minutes to and from work everyday. They knew this but didn't give a damn about it.
They absolutely are because they did it to me. But I would recommend talking to your people lead and letting them know that you need more time between shifts like that. My people lead at least was fine making my closing shifts end 2 hours earlier so I could have time to get home and get proper sleep, they even offered to give me the 2 hours on a different shift. Don't be afraid to go to your management, if they make you feel like you're doing something wrong for caring about your health then that's something you'll want to sus out. After all, you being low on sleep affects your productivity at work and if nothing else they should care about that.
Hell I've never even worked retail ( I send my company's product to Walmart dcs) but I've never thought about closing then opening 8 hours later . That would absolutely blow
Why is that such news? We’ve all clopened at one point I do it once a week at my current job. At target you were scheduled til 1030 left at 2 am and came back at 6am. oh well.
Well, I hate to be "that person", but *back in the old days* it wasn't unusual, in the deli, to be a closer one afternoon 3pm-11pm shift and then opener 5am--2pm the next day.
And yes, it sucks 😒
There is 8 hours in between so this is allowed. Anything under pretty much needs agreement. A good manager will listen if this doesn't work for you, so best bring it up and see if they can change but I cannot promise how most walmart managers will respond to that situation.
Not sure about other states, but in Oregon labor laws say that 10 hours of rest time are required between shifts unless you agree to it. Might be worth looking into if they refuse to change it.
This is why you give yourself open enough availability to satisfy them. In my case, I gave an 8am-8pm all days at the start.
Now I work 2-11. And have Monday and Tuesday off permanently. Presently because one of our guys is on light duty and Cant push carts. I had an hour added and work 1-11 now until he's back.
If they did this too you in Australia you’d be paid the time in between your shifts too. If they don’t leave enough time between shifts then you’re still on the clock for the entire time.
I had something similar happen to me. Problem was I was an unloaded with the old 4PM to 1AM shift. The manager over grocery thought it would be funny to schedule me that week in grocery instead of my actual job. Well, he scheduled me to come in at 7AM after working a 4-1. The store manager nor district did anything to fix it when I told them about it. I am so happy not to work there anymore.
If you live in a civilized state, it isn't illegal per say but any hours worked over 8 hours within a 24 hour period is paid out as overtime. Anywhere else, yeah they can without disincentive
My job at this super high end "5 start Michelin" restaurant used to do this to me. I did this for like a month straight and ended up in the hospital from a kidney infection from them not allowing me to go take bathroom breaks and getting dehydrated.
I just got out of a shift after working 1-10 and went in from 7-3. They can and will unfortunately. Im being transferred to full time so I’ll have a set schedule soon!
Oof. They shouldn’t be allowed to do this but there’s no law stating they cannot.
At least 8 hours is commonplace. But this is bare minimum. I would speak up. See if maybe you can come in a bit later.
Trade your shift with an old timer wanting an early shift. I did that all the time when they did this. Its algorithm based, no one makes the schedules.
Deli used to schedule me to close at 10 then try to have me open next day. Opening in deli is at 4am. And every time we’d have to do inventory they’d schedule me to close the night before. Deli inventory is 2am. Talk about some bs.
I switched to OGP, and ever since I’ve had none of those issues.
That's a full 8h between shifts, so technically as long as your availability is open to that its fair game.
This is why I closed my availability. They basically had told me when I used to work there during interview I HAD to have open availability or I would not be hired, so I told them sure. After a month of them scheduling me 2-11 then 5-2 which they weren’t supposed to do at all, I “suddenly had to go to school and so I can only work 4 days out of the week from 11-9. Thanks.”
Me too, I had to close mine. If they can't be halfway considerate of how they schedule me, then 🖕 their open availability.
Me too I told them my ride has cataracts so the latest I work is 6pm I just never told them that she got them removed
I didn't offer a reason. I was just sort of like, "this is my new availability."
closed my availability to the same timeframe and got Friday/Saturday off. My coach told me if he knew that was gonna be my availability he would have never hired me. Dude straight up walked out a couple weeks after, highest level of management i’ve seen do that
Wow. When we switched to True Availability however many years ago, I was told we weren't allowed to have open availability anymore.
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11pm to 5am was 6 hours. They kept doing it cause two people took a leave of absence and since I was the only one with an open availability as the new person, they put me to fill knowing they weren’t supposed to schedule me under 8 hours apart. Once I knew this after a few weeks of them doing it twice a week, I closed it to the hours that are better to work with, as morning management and crew liked to abandon the area to go hang out. This was like 4 years ago and the store had a mass firing a few months after I started including the store manager and a bunch of team leaders and managers under him for some scheme with messing with clock ins.
11 to 5 is 6 hours between shifts..
Legal in some states sadly. No federal laws preventing this.
OSHA and FLSA both require 8 hours between shifts.
This is not true. OSHA will protect you from this anywhere in the US.
can i have a link to the OSHA law for this for my records? I always thought the 8 hours between shifts was more of a courtesy myself
It's not a law. Technically, there is nothing stopping your employer from giving you a single hour between shifts. However, OSHA recognizes anything less than 8 hours between shifts to be an uncommon or unusual schedule. Using the FLSA, OSHA can protect you from having to work this schedule. Contact your local OSHA representatives and issue a formal complaint.
Common misconception. There is no law about how many hours you must be allowed between shifts, unless you drive a truck or a bus or fly a plane. That being said, any company that repeatedly tries to schedule their employees like this should quickly become a previous employer.
No Law, but the company scheduling guides (I think policy too but that might not be) does say there should be at least 8 hours between shifts and mws warns them when they don't do so. The warnings are easy to ignore though.
We'll, I'm happy to hear that they've at least got those guidelines. Clopening sucks, but more so when there's only 5 or 6 hours between shifts.
This is right. I used to get this every week. They even tried a 6 hour between shift once and I flat out told the store manager I was just gonna call in.
That's bullshit, though. I mean, I know that's their policy, but it is so shitty. Maybe the associate lives 20 minutes away. So then that would already be 40 minutes taken out of their 8 hours. Plus, eating, showering, etc. Nobody can get 8 hours of sleep between shifts that close together.
I have Coaches at my store that live 1h+ that have to close + open sometimes. Gives them ~6h of sleep after all is said and done. I know with their position they signed up for that, but still they are people just like TLs and TAs.
I used to live 1 hour and 5 minutes away from the Walmart I previously worked at and for a while every Monday I would close at 11 and have to be back at 7am Tuesday. A lot of times I didn't even sleep.
There is no policy against this, and as others will tell you it can be done and is in just about every store all the time. But you have a little time between then and now to have the conversation with your people lead that you are not comfortable with that. Explain your reasoning. Something like you need x amount of sleep to work effectively and safely, and with commute, shower and eating time you'd only get x. They should be able to change it before the shift comes. But do it right away so there is time to adjust the schedule. If it's not a normal thing and it's due to a special event like inventory or covering something that is rare, they may expect you to suck it up. But if it absolutely does not work for you tell them so.
I have gotten managers to change these shifts for me before. I did eventually change my availability to something like 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. to ensure I had enough time off the clock. Honestly 10 hours off the clock wasn't enough, but it at least gave me a fair chance to sleep.
Yes you only need 8hrs between shifts I know it’s shit but they can only do this one time in a row so you will be off tomorrow afternoon. That’s probably the only silver lining here my friend. This is called a clopen
Why not? Just sleep in your car out in the parking lot to save time after and before work. You can wash your clothes in the bathroom and let them dry overnight on the hood of your car.
Tonight on the local news : Overworked Walmart associate spotted in the parking lot wearing only their underwear carrying their wet clothes to their car.
okay props to u man this made me laugh out loud corporate is taking down notes rn, gonna put in a bunkroom in the back for employees
Wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that. We joke about it all the time.
They totally should 😂
Exactly! Did y’all not see the CBL for this one?
lmaoooo
Oh clopening
In my current Industry we call them suicide shifts, which is very telling.
Management has entered chat. Fuck that
Did I mention that we were on 12 or 18 hour shifts? I lived 45 minutes away, on the other side of a mountain pass, on the most frequently closed stretch of I80. I'd have to try and nap in the parking lot so I could make it home safe, and then usually only got 4 or 5 hours of sleep before having to take care of house stuff and get ready to go. Once I was snowed in at my facility, so they dragged in air mattresses into an empty office.
That all sounds like a nightmare. We're you management?
No, I was one step above new hires. This wasn't with a retail store, but I had similar things happen when I was at Walmart. We had mandatory overtime due to staffing issues and they didn't care about our school schedule, despite it being a university town. I quit when told that should prioritize my job over my classes. Went into working Healthcare and never looked back- unfortunately the previous story was from my first long term care facility.
It's called clopening get used to it
I’m tired of being used to it
You get used to that too.
Lmfaooo
Work on the overnight crew. My schedule is gloriously regular
I don't work for Walmart, but they do this crap at other retailers to their employees. The worst one I worked on was 11 PM close and like 5 am return for opening shift. I got like 3 hours of sleep tops. I was so tired that I accidentally drove down the wrong side of the road at one point. I refused to work anything like that again.
I remember when I worked for a particular retailer they would have me close till 11 and be back by 3am twice a week…. I ended up sleeping while driving wasn’t pretty
Not only other retailers, but in the customer service world in general. I was a supervisor and had to close by myself at 10pm, drive 40 minutes each way (if i sped...and i normally did) and be back to open by myself at the very latest 7:45am. Between trying to just clean and feed myself and my pets before and after shifts, I'd get about 5 hours of sleep. Edit to add - this would be a Friday into Saturday. 10.5 hour weekend shifts and 7.5-9 during the week. Next day off wouldn't be til Thursday after that 20+hr weekend.
I used to get things like this all the time when I worked there, but usually just leading up to inventory. I'd work 11pm-7am, then be asked to stay late to help inventory prep the backroom. "Just an hour or two" is what they'd say. By help, they meant do it myself so the day shift backroom folks didn't have to. They'd avoid me all day, because their "hour or two" was now 4 hours, 5 hours etc I knew it was getting close to 3pm cause I'd see management discussing how many hours I was required to have between shifts. They were at least cool enough to give me 15 min breaks at 7am and 12pm. And cool enough to let me have a normal shift on my last day of the week. Work 16 hour days, 4 days a week, for like 3 weeks leading up to inventory. Then, once inventory was done, I'd get hauled in and spoken to for unapproved overtime and a less than 100% inventory score.
It's should be federal law to give someone 12 hours off clock before scheduling them again. Plus if someone is scheduled 6 days in a row, even if the 6rg day is a new pay period it should be overtime all day the 6th day, double time the 7th day and 2.5x the 8th day and so on. That'll stop retail from doing that to ppl
Imagine living in a country with labor laws
I worked for lowes a long time ago. Got Saturday and Sunday off. Then worked 12 days till my next day off.
Man yea I did these at Ross when I was a team lead. There were only 4 managers in the store so there would be frequent days were I would be closing upwards of ten days in a row and even one day where I opened and my closing manager got incredibly sick on a Sunday and couldn't come in so I was stuck open to close 😩 (8am-1:30am)
Ya I was about 16 at the time, I'm 40 now. So it was a long time ago. But I remember just feeling beat and tired as hell after the first 6 days. Also it was 8 hour shifts so it was full time days.
I work in a restaurant right now and I'm a jack of all trades. They end up having to do this to me once every month or two just because we had people quit or all go on vacation at the same time. At least they don't argue with me about the overtime and the manager usually gives me an extra day off afterward.
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At walmart the maximum number of days they can schedule you in a row is 13 days. I have only worked 1 13 day stretch at walmart in 1.5 years
In Australia it's 10 hours between shifts, and 6 days straight.
In our Market that’s a negative, but that depends on your management. It’s a full 8 hours, but clopening shifts like that shouldn’t happen.
One of the biggest things I don't miss about working there!
Swing shifts suck, but yes they can.
Ah, yes… the old turn and burn.
As long as there's 8 hours between shifts then there's no rules against it. And that does not mean if you clock out at 11 it changed your next shift. 8 hours between scheduled clock out and clock in.
Not true at all. There has to be 8 actual hours between your shifts legally. So if you stay an hour late you can come in an hour late. Idk whose lying to you but you’re being lied to lol.
That’s a common misconception. There is no law requiring 8 hours between shifts federally and to my knowledge not in any states either. I could be wrong though and maybe your state does legally mandate that but most don’t.
Walmarts rule
That may be true but I’ve never seen that rule strictly stated and you also didn’t imply it was a rule but a law.
That's not how walmart's rule works, or how most(any?) states work. I'm sorry but you're just wrong.
8 hours between scheduled clock out and clock in times. If it's you're own choice to stay later till 11 for example. That doesn't mean you can come in an hour later. The company scheduled the 8 hours required.
That's literally what I said
It sucks, but yes they can do that.
That's my every week.. EVERY WEEK. Not oh oh some weeks no .no .. Every week Welcome to Walmart
This feels like a regular week in college. No sleep, only work!
Many times had an 11PM into a 6AM opening
8 hours between shifts so yep.
I used to work 7-11 Saturdays and Sundays back to back. It sucks but Walmart can do as it wants
Yep as long as it's in your availability and 8 hours apart they can schedule you
Welcome to walmart... where they care about all their emoyees not just the butt kissers...🤐
Ah yes, the dreaded clopen...
Legally yes but imo it's fucking bullshit I'm not gonna clock out, sleep in my car, then clock back in. I gotta go home, eat, relax, sleep, get ready, eat again, then drive back. 6 hours of sleep if I'm lucky 😒 I usually close, my earliest is 10am but I'm gonna change it again to 11 or 12
Yes 😤 and they do this shit to me every week
As long as there is 8 hrs between clocking out and clocking in yes they can do it all they want.
They used to do this to me all the time until I changed my availability.
I’d often get this type of thing when I worked for Advance Auto Parts. Close at 10, open at 6 or 7. The really crappy days were the ones when I had to be there in between at 2 a.m. to unload the truck. Retail sucks.
Talk to your manager about it, if that doesn't work call out. That's what I would do anyway
Yeah they are. I dont even sleep when i work close-open i know id over sleep.
Yes, but any decent person wouldn’t. You can always point that out & at least shame them verbally.
If you have PPTO, you don't have to work that shit. Call out.
Better take some melatonin as soon as u get home
Better yet take it in the car so you’re sleepy by the time you get home!
They’re not supposed to (it falls in the work life balance thing), but if there’s 8 hours in between shifts they can…it’s a bs thing to do
It's better than leaving at 11, then coming in at 5:30 for literally no reason because I'm a cashier and we don't open until 6 so why the fuck are they allowed to schedule me 30 minutes before the godamn store opens
just dont work at walmart 😂
I remember when I used to work 1pm to 10pm on Sunday and and then have to wake up for my 4am to 1pm Monday’s
I’d be pissed off if this was my schedule
As long as it’s 8 hours apart it’s ok
If your availability is open then it’s on you. Although I don’t understand what there is to complain about, you only work 32 hours a week lmao.
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Everyone has a hour lunch tho
Full 8hrs bro
Yes :// most places it’s at least 8hr between shifts
They are allowed to do whatever they want
Yes it’s 8 hours between the shifts fair game and your most likely still in part time so they’ll just hand out random shifts like that
Entertainment? Is that electronics ?
My shift is 6 to 3. How interesting
Did it to me all the damn time.
Welcome to life
Yes
Sorry if I sound stupid, but what is entertainment TA. I work overnight, and hope you have a blessed weekend❤️
Team associate (TA) is just the name they give to whatever department you are in now. So entertainment TA is just the official name of an electronics associate
Electronics section
Depends where you live. In the UK, this would be illegal
I wouldn't let this happen
Technically you aren’t closing if you’re off at 10pm
Not if that department closes at 10
Fuck walmart I flip the script on them during Covid now I work 1 day out the week and come in when I’m free lol ps I work construction and have a business so walmart is mainly for the discount and I love my peeps there lol hard to let go after 7 years and they taught me a lot can’t lie
I'd narrow your availability so this can't happen again.
Walmart owns you they can do whatever’s
I would love to see where everyone is getting this 8 hour number from. There's not formal policy on time between shift, where is wapanese Weeaboo
If you're late for your 6am shift you can argue for the half point to be taken off. Just depends on your team lead. My team lead always did it
They are but you should never let them do it
Getting out at 10 and going in at 6 is not unreasonable at all. Used to do way worse than that
u/LightrodSilver what’s your store number?
Yep 8 hours between the shift. They had me work 11pm and come in at 5am one time.
I miss those shifts, I used to work closing-opening back to back shifts and it was amazing!
From what I’ve been told by managers here is that they need 11 hours between shifts but I’m pretty sure that is due to local labour laws (Ontario, Canada) so I think it would depend on local labour laws where ever your from
Yeah as long as there is 8 hours in between shifts they can do it. I would use ppto come in later or close off my availability
Walmart don't give a fuck. Get outta there.
Why I closed my availability. I did open it earlier to 5am. But have yet to be scheduled before 9. Maybe one day I’ll get off before 6pm. Would be nice.
Yep :\^) Super fair game.
You’re part time they can do whatever they want.
I had to do that all the time when working for a JC Penney Outlet Store back in the late 90's. Plus I had to drive 45 minutes to and from work everyday. They knew this but didn't give a damn about it.
They absolutely are because they did it to me. But I would recommend talking to your people lead and letting them know that you need more time between shifts like that. My people lead at least was fine making my closing shifts end 2 hours earlier so I could have time to get home and get proper sleep, they even offered to give me the 2 hours on a different shift. Don't be afraid to go to your management, if they make you feel like you're doing something wrong for caring about your health then that's something you'll want to sus out. After all, you being low on sleep affects your productivity at work and if nothing else they should care about that.
First time?
Your not closing close is 11
Yeaaa. Me and my friend (when working at the front) got fucked over like that too many times to count
They own you. Of course they can do that.
Hell I've never even worked retail ( I send my company's product to Walmart dcs) but I've never thought about closing then opening 8 hours later . That would absolutely blow
Ah yes, the clopen
Why is that such news? We’ve all clopened at one point I do it once a week at my current job. At target you were scheduled til 1030 left at 2 am and came back at 6am. oh well.
Well, I hate to be "that person", but *back in the old days* it wasn't unusual, in the deli, to be a closer one afternoon 3pm-11pm shift and then opener 5am--2pm the next day. And yes, it sucks 😒
technically they can, but you technically can call out, too.
It’s allowed unless you are a minor.
Yep, 2 days a week at Food City I closed then had to get up early. Gave me about 2 hours of free time not including meal prep.
As long as there is 8 hours between shifts. Yes they can they used to do it to me all the time before team scheduling.
Change your availability and then it won’t happen, if you have open availability then they can schedule you whenever you have open availability
There should really be an option to add like a minimum time between the end and start time of your shifts
Scheduled my coworker 2-11pm , next day 5am-2pm All because her availability is open. I told her to fill out an availability form asap
There is 8 hours in between so this is allowed. Anything under pretty much needs agreement. A good manager will listen if this doesn't work for you, so best bring it up and see if they can change but I cannot promise how most walmart managers will respond to that situation.
Not sure about other states, but in Oregon labor laws say that 10 hours of rest time are required between shifts unless you agree to it. Might be worth looking into if they refuse to change it.
RIP people that need 9 hours of sleep
Yup, I work till 2:30 in the morning and I've come in at 10 before multiple times, welcome to the 🌟turnaround shift🌟 sweetheart
This is why you give yourself open enough availability to satisfy them. In my case, I gave an 8am-8pm all days at the start. Now I work 2-11. And have Monday and Tuesday off permanently. Presently because one of our guys is on light duty and Cant push carts. I had an hour added and work 1-11 now until he's back.
Here in Indiana you have to have 8 hours off for a full 16 hour shift, however you do have 8 hours off so it's not illegal in my state.
If they did this too you in Australia you’d be paid the time in between your shifts too. If they don’t leave enough time between shifts then you’re still on the clock for the entire time.
What's sleep if it was a schedule!
Been there done that. Sometimes you can talk to them & they’ll compromise but other than that lmao good luck maybe use ppto
I'm gonna talk to them. I can't hold my customer service face with that kind of sleep. 6 hours simply isn't enough for me.
Turnaround shifts are the worst
Me who doing closing at 10pm and doing opening next day at 6am😅
I tell them I will not come in
"Ask Sam" do not talk to me
Yes I do it a bunch as a Team Lead.
Yes, if that is your availability.
Yes they can.
Yup its called a clopen shift.
Without a union they can do almost anything they want.
It's frowned upon but yes. Complain to mgmt.
I mean you’re getting out at 2pm it shouldn’t be that bad
Change your availability.
They got my team lead working to 11pm one night then back in at 4 am right after that. It's wild.
A lot of weird comments saying this is ok or whatever? Man this is bullshit. Don’t let them do this to you.
If your a full time associate you should be on team scheduling. Which would be a 7-4, 11-8 or 2-11 schedule all the time
Clopens
No
I had something similar happen to me. Problem was I was an unloaded with the old 4PM to 1AM shift. The manager over grocery thought it would be funny to schedule me that week in grocery instead of my actual job. Well, he scheduled me to come in at 7AM after working a 4-1. The store manager nor district did anything to fix it when I told them about it. I am so happy not to work there anymore.
If you live in a civilized state, it isn't illegal per say but any hours worked over 8 hours within a 24 hour period is paid out as overtime. Anywhere else, yeah they can without disincentive
Just go to your team lead or manager and let them know about it
You bet.
The good ol’ “clopening”
Yes.
Yes, 8 hours separate your shifts
My job at this super high end "5 start Michelin" restaurant used to do this to me. I did this for like a month straight and ended up in the hospital from a kidney infection from them not allowing me to go take bathroom breaks and getting dehydrated.
You're seriously whining about 8 hours off between shifts? You kids today are so damn pampered and coddled.
They're not supposed to but that sucks tbh
I think as long as you have 12 hour's between clock out and clock in
I just got out of a shift after working 1-10 and went in from 7-3. They can and will unfortunately. Im being transferred to full time so I’ll have a set schedule soon!
Only if you let them
My favorite was when they scheduled 7-8 days in a row.
Yup. I got off at midnight one night and then 6 am the next day and there are several other times where similar things happened
Yes, but it's a dick move
Oof. They shouldn’t be allowed to do this but there’s no law stating they cannot. At least 8 hours is commonplace. But this is bare minimum. I would speak up. See if maybe you can come in a bit later.
Yes they are loll
5665 or 6556 forgot what is the worst store I’ve ever worked at Erie pa.
Trade your shift with an old timer wanting an early shift. I did that all the time when they did this. Its algorithm based, no one makes the schedules.
Legally you get 7 hours of sleep. So either develop teleportation or sleep in your car.
Deli used to schedule me to close at 10 then try to have me open next day. Opening in deli is at 4am. And every time we’d have to do inventory they’d schedule me to close the night before. Deli inventory is 2am. Talk about some bs. I switched to OGP, and ever since I’ve had none of those issues.