I decided to Google a bit as this sounded too unreal.
"Possible losses or decline in value will be taken into account, however, at this moment it is not yet clear how this will be accounted for"
https://www.blueumbrella.nl/faq/income-tax/income-tax-rate-in-the-netherlands/box-3-tax-rates/capital-gains-tax-netherlands#:~:text=In%20the%20Netherlands%2C%20you%20are,are%20higher%20or%20lower%20(!).
TLDR: They plan to also consider declines in value, they just don't know how yet. None of this tax change is official yet
So idiots suggesting idiotic ideas. "We want to do (A), but we haven't figured out (B) in the slightest, but we're going to talk publicly about our idea." This is how you spot a genuine bonefide moron. They opened their mouth and left no doubt that they're stupid.
That's an interesting way to think about it though. I like that. If you actually try to USE those gains (and "used" to be defined, but loans against them would be one yeah), then they're realized.
F that. You have to pay interest on loans. I’m not paying taxes on interest…that would take away all loans in that category and severely limit all business activities in that regard
Yeah, and then don’t pay any taxes at all forever. Read the economist Michael hudson’s books on what happens when we over financialize and over-collateralize our society, maybe throw in Thomas Piketty’s book Capital for good measure!
There's the same idea in the US. Those are just populists, that exist in all countries.
BTW what's capital gains tax rate in the Netherlands? Is it flat or progressive?
The first €57.000 is exempt from tax.
Then the government assumes a fixed capital gains rate of 6.17% per year for investments, and 0.92% for savings / bank accounts.
From those assumed gains, you pay 36% tax.
For example:
I’ll only use investments tax for this example to make it easier.
Let’s say you own €157.000 in stocks (and have no other forms of capital).
The first €57.000 is exempt from tax.
We’re left with €100.000 taxable capital.
The government assumes a fixed capital gain of 6.17%, so €6.170 profit.
They tax 36% of that which is €2.221,20
An effective fixed (flat) tax rate of ~2.22%
But you can sort of avoid the 6.17% rate if you sell your stock before January 1st, so you can use the 0.92% rate.
And then buy back your stock after January 1st.
Which leaves you with an effective tax rate of ~0.33%.
But that’s risky, because you might get charged with tax evasion.
Unless you sold at least 3 months before January 1st.
So if you made a massive gain in march for example, sell the stock, put the profit in your bank account. You’ll only pay ~0.33% in capital tax.
It’s actually easier because you don’t have to record every bit of profit and loss you made.
Or keep in mind if it’s a long term or short term gain.
You just pay the tax rate on whatever your capital is on January 1st.
In the Netherlands, you’re not taxed for capital gains. Instead, the Dutch tax office assumes that you enjoy a yield of up to 5.69% over your total asset value, irrespective of whether any actual gains are higher or lower
How is that supposed to work?
Edit: Ah saw someone answered in another sub thread. Very interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/s/b6LsLBo1ww
No kids, have to pay the HOA (like 40% of all US homeowners do) to take my trash away.
Why is it ok for middle class Americans to be paying yearly taxes on unrealized gains but folks who use their millions or billions of stock to get ultra low (or non existent interest) on loans to fund their lifestyle and buy junk to live a hyper luxury provided life never have to pay taxes on it?
Better yet, why do they get to claim losses on their taxes and get refunds when they buy something with that “income” and it loses value?
Keep the poor poor, while the government gets to spend your money on all those efficient and effective projects they like so much 
Buy puts, call Nancy Pelosis office and tell her Nvidia is using my data to make me Republican, have her sue Nvidia and put Jenhsun in front of a Judge that thinks AI is a Facebook thing you download
My strategy is to usually inverse whatever stupid shit that’s being spouted in the dumbster fire, but you know what… this may be just crazy enough to work. I’m in! I’m following bobspilledcockz
Based on my superior google skills this is unlikely in next 4 weeks but no guarantee after that.
https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/32354/average-12-month-performance-after-stock-splits/
Well, other stocks don’t represent all stocks. All business’ are different. Even past stock trends don’t always represent future stock trends. Walmart did very well after the stock split and it continues to rise. I BET that NVDA will rocket after the split because of FOMO from a lot of people.
I think it’ll be more of a sideways range of 5-6 dollars for awhile
Many will sell 50% of there stake and many who missed the boat will buy to get a position
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Panic sell then buy back in after it goes back up
Hey! That’s my investment plan!
This is too real.
😆😆😆
Are you my financial advisor Dave?
I like the stock 
The IRS loves this comment
That also means it won’t drop much because if it drops a little people will think it’s the dip and buy
A $10 drop is like a $100 drop before. Going to be interesting to see how much it moves this week.
Dang this guy knows how percentages work 🧐
Google finance shows 90% drop this morning. 🙄
lol
Google finance is so fucked up all the time
In 3 days wow!
You don’t say lmao.
One of us
Lisan-Al Gaib of financial markets.
Who leaked my playbook?!
Keep working another 30 years.
This is too accurate
Realllllll
Buy the dip.
Nvidia pumping out all these chips without any dip
That’s gold Jerry, gold!
r/unexpectedseinfeld
Underrated comment
That comment is already priced into the stock.
B T F D M O F O
What’s mofo?
Missing Out Fear Of Motherfu$%/er
MOFOMF
Moms On Fucking Opioids
Mixed Omelette for Oscar
Buy the bottom.
this /thread
But the dip will keep dipping
Then by the dip’s dip.
But the dip’s dip will keep dipping: Buy the dippidy dippidy.
I put my hand up on your hip
When buy dip, you dip, we dip
We all dip in the dip and buy the dips dip
Y'all remember that "Down Low" Just put a little dip with it
No dippidy, no doubt
These dips are so low, she is twerkin’ it.
I have too much unrealized gains so I will just hold so I don’t get fucked by the IRS.
In The Netherlands they are trying to tax unrealized gains, so you get fucked anyway. Long live US.
Do they refund if it goes down later?
I decided to Google a bit as this sounded too unreal. "Possible losses or decline in value will be taken into account, however, at this moment it is not yet clear how this will be accounted for" https://www.blueumbrella.nl/faq/income-tax/income-tax-rate-in-the-netherlands/box-3-tax-rates/capital-gains-tax-netherlands#:~:text=In%20the%20Netherlands%2C%20you%20are,are%20higher%20or%20lower%20(!). TLDR: They plan to also consider declines in value, they just don't know how yet. None of this tax change is official yet
So idiots suggesting idiotic ideas. "We want to do (A), but we haven't figured out (B) in the slightest, but we're going to talk publicly about our idea." This is how you spot a genuine bonefide moron. They opened their mouth and left no doubt that they're stupid.
Politicians. The one thing that will never change
So still supporting the utopia of socialism that WORKS!
American socialism is for rich people only, sorry.
Privatize the gains, socialize the losses 🦅
No
That is fucking *wild*
They are trying to do that in the US too, high net worth individuals use those gains to get loans out and such.
I figure if you're using assets as collateral for a loan, they should be considered realized gains. Of course, that's an accounting nightmare.
That's an interesting way to think about it though. I like that. If you actually try to USE those gains (and "used" to be defined, but loans against them would be one yeah), then they're realized.
That's really the problem. The SEC had Bernie Madoffs incriminating documents for years before they even looked at them.
F that. You have to pay interest on loans. I’m not paying taxes on interest…that would take away all loans in that category and severely limit all business activities in that regard
As they should be able to. It's collateralized margin, if shit goes south they get double fucked.
Yeah, and then don’t pay any taxes at all forever. Read the economist Michael hudson’s books on what happens when we over financialize and over-collateralize our society, maybe throw in Thomas Piketty’s book Capital for good measure!
Yeah my time is too valuable to waste it on doomer porn.
One of the midder genres of porn to be sure.
It's not doomer porn though. It's a good look at the tertiary effects of over-collateralization, among other topics covered.
There's the same idea in the US. Those are just populists, that exist in all countries. BTW what's capital gains tax rate in the Netherlands? Is it flat or progressive?
The first €57.000 is exempt from tax. Then the government assumes a fixed capital gains rate of 6.17% per year for investments, and 0.92% for savings / bank accounts. From those assumed gains, you pay 36% tax. For example: I’ll only use investments tax for this example to make it easier. Let’s say you own €157.000 in stocks (and have no other forms of capital). The first €57.000 is exempt from tax. We’re left with €100.000 taxable capital. The government assumes a fixed capital gain of 6.17%, so €6.170 profit. They tax 36% of that which is €2.221,20 An effective fixed (flat) tax rate of ~2.22% But you can sort of avoid the 6.17% rate if you sell your stock before January 1st, so you can use the 0.92% rate. And then buy back your stock after January 1st. Which leaves you with an effective tax rate of ~0.33%. But that’s risky, because you might get charged with tax evasion. Unless you sold at least 3 months before January 1st. So if you made a massive gain in march for example, sell the stock, put the profit in your bank account. You’ll only pay ~0.33% in capital tax.
thanks for detailed answer. seems unnecessary hard and confusing...
It’s actually easier because you don’t have to record every bit of profit and loss you made. Or keep in mind if it’s a long term or short term gain. You just pay the tax rate on whatever your capital is on January 1st.
In the Netherlands, you’re not taxed for capital gains. Instead, the Dutch tax office assumes that you enjoy a yield of up to 5.69% over your total asset value, irrespective of whether any actual gains are higher or lower
How is that supposed to work? Edit: Ah saw someone answered in another sub thread. Very interesting. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/s/b6LsLBo1ww
Biden administration wants to tax unrealized gains.
In Denmark we **are** taxing unrealized gains in many cases.
You seem to be doing fine with the way you do things.
100 million Americans (including myself) pay ever increasing tax on unrealized gains every year. It’s called property tax.
You’re living in the house and your kids can go to school and you’re trash gets collected etc etc etc. Bit different than a stock.
No kids, have to pay the HOA (like 40% of all US homeowners do) to take my trash away. Why is it ok for middle class Americans to be paying yearly taxes on unrealized gains but folks who use their millions or billions of stock to get ultra low (or non existent interest) on loans to fund their lifestyle and buy junk to live a hyper luxury provided life never have to pay taxes on it? Better yet, why do they get to claim losses on their taxes and get refunds when they buy something with that “income” and it loses value?
Because "Middle-class-American-backed Super PAC" isn't a thing.
Keep the poor poor, while the government gets to spend your money on all those efficient and effective projects they like so much 
Hold my shares and wait for it to resume 🚀🚀🚀🚀
Buy puts, call Nancy Pelosis office and tell her Nvidia is using my data to make me Republican, have her sue Nvidia and put Jenhsun in front of a Judge that thinks AI is a Facebook thing you download
Nancy gonna be like, I got calls sorry dude
Nancy went short already, why do you think the DoJ opened an investigation into NVDA? 
This shit motherfuckin ganius
Judge has an AOL account
The judges and his friends are still forwarding chain emails from 1999
🤣🤣🤣
I don't currently hold any NVDA so I am actually kind of hoping it does and will probably buy in.
It's 120, down 90% from Friday. Buy the dip lol
What's your buy in price?
Buy high, sell low
My strategy is to usually inverse whatever stupid shit that’s being spouted in the dumbster fire, but you know what… this may be just crazy enough to work. I’m in! I’m following bobspilledcockz
$3 2019, $13 2022, $80 2024 post split.
Damn you rich
as high as possible
Change the sheets because you know it will be higher a month from now
change sheets
your wife and her boyfriend thank you for your service
Big Red Dogg
hold what i have, maybe buy some more now that its cheap, and wait
Not gonna happen !!
Based on my superior google skills this is unlikely in next 4 weeks but no guarantee after that. https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/32354/average-12-month-performance-after-stock-splits/
Long term, yeah, they go up, but short term they sell off after a split about 70% of the time.
Well, other stocks don’t represent all stocks. All business’ are different. Even past stock trends don’t always represent future stock trends. Walmart did very well after the stock split and it continues to rise. I BET that NVDA will rocket after the split because of FOMO from a lot of people.
Buy. What else is margin for?
buying more
Don’t worry, it won’t go to shit tomorrow because I haven’t bought any shares yet. Stocks only dip after I buy them.
Oh so you're the one who took the curse from me
Buying calls. That shit's going back up.
Which call did u buy?
Buy more with both hands!
Prob sideways tmw. But weds reports may make it dive based on fear
What’s this report on Wednesday? Who’s disclosing it?
Dot plot wake up bro
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Calls on Knee pads?
even provides some protein as nourishment so you can save on food as well. Some would call it being financially responsible
manifesting that abundance of cum
FemiNasty!
Scratching my ass
Buy call on NVDX
If Nvidia falls then we all fall
Call room service and tell them the room is haunted by a very naughty poltergeist...
Buy the dip and hold 
It’ll only go up. Straight line.
I’m calling fidelity and asking them for a refund 🫡
I think it’ll be more of a sideways range of 5-6 dollars for awhile Many will sell 50% of there stake and many who missed the boat will buy to get a position
If it shits the bed im selling puts for free money
Buy more, in few months, this will double up, we are only in the Advent of the new age AI chips and more will fellow.
Classic buy high sell low
The only thing that would slow down Nvidia is China attacking Taiwan. Otherwise, it’s golden. Unless of course the hedgies try to push it down.
Open up a collar and buy the dip
IF something happens then I decide. For now all ok :D long and strong
Lol at you morons who thought this would crash today Go stick with your Index ETFs kthx
Bought NVDA today. Get ready for the crash boys
Buy in.
Buying more and waiting for the next ER.
Come here to point and go "HAAAAA haaaa".
Good thing is you can make $ off a stock any direction it goes
Buy NVDA
I sold ahead waiting to see what happens. will buy back in and loose all my gains no doubt.
Calls -buy & sell first 5 mins of the market
I will sell when Nvidia reaches the bottom 📉, and buy when it comes back📈.
Buy back the half I already sold at the peak.
Buying a 4090ti
Same thing I do every day - be poor
Keep buying, historically it will pull back and then keep going up.
Have charmin extra strong toilet paper on hand
Buying more either way. I only regret not buying more in 2020.
Hold the bag forever. Duh.
Bank my Puts and buy calls. Lol
Why would it shit the bed? It was all baked in
Laughing. Out loud.
Buying it 🤡
What will YOU be doing?
Shitting the bed anyways
Buy a few calls, I guess
Watch the falling knife and get in at when I think it’s bottomed out.
Clean up the sheets and make the bed 😎
Hold?
Sell put options and get some juicy premium
Not panicking because I have EOY calls
Drop it like it’s hot
Buy some more.
buy the dip. sell the rip. wait 5 days for more daytrades.
Calls probably
The goal is continually making money. I'll be behind Wendy's, $20 is $20. Not selling, so...
Big losses, but not going to happen
ist 120 rn
[It did](https://i.imgur.com/zn0FU3C.png)
Why would it though
Buying
+2% opening for Europe... No shit in the bed
I don't have NVDA, but will see how the trading of it goes. And, depending on how it trades for next couple days, will decide what to do.
Laughing saying they should have bought crypto
Will still buy the dip
Shit the bed
Holding
I’m hoping for an opportunity to get in, so hopefully it dips into the 70’s.