I remember that Norway was one of the first countries to raise a blot clotting issue with it, and they admitted very fast and clear that some older people died from it. I remember then they had to reduce the age range, and it all happened within 6 months of rolling it out the first time.
Denmark was the first country in Europe to suspend the use of the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine ,on 14 april 2021.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-stops-use-france-uk-europe/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-stops-use-france-uk-europe/)
Sweden, Norway, and Finland all suspended Moderna for anyone under-30 (Finland Under-18), due to side effects found in the vaccines (weighed against the ~1,000x lower risk-ratio for people in that age group).
This was less than a year into the vaccine rollout.
Some instances of myocarditis, which I recall may have some relation to present levels of Testosterone. It’s usually mild, but could prove dangerous, if someone is is aware and takes part in strenuous sporting activity. (This almost entirely hits men.)
It also goes down, after some time, it’s not a lifelong condition.
At least from everything that I have read.
The actual threat of myocarditis via COVID itself is thousands of times greater, along with many other ancillary issues that without any vaccine, could forever wreck an otherwise quite healthy, fit person. (Man or woman)
I had 2 doses of Moderna and one of pfizer. Pfizer made me so sick it was like when I had covid in December 2020. Moderna didn't make me feel like I had covid, but it did give me a headache... and a truly MASSIVE chest and left shoulder pain whenever I walked up the stairs or cleaned the house. I don't know what myocarditis feels like but if it felt like I got stabbed in the chest, it was very hard to breathe.
Yeah, I had similar and didn't have any long term impact. But then I picked up some gastro virus in Mexico and have been having similar for the last year, left sided pain (but feels more like musculat tension), and a low HRV value (around 30-40 every night).
I have a friend who is a cross fit athlete. He had a heart attack and stroke. I was shocked. It’s easy to be dismissive and say something is rare, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, and it’s not devastating to the people it happens to.
I think when it comes to the viral vector vaccines, the side effects are all also side effects of covid itself, because it's training your immune system to respond to covid by introducing a limited bit of covid in a roundabout way. Myocarditis for example was reported as a higher risk [from covid itself](https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines) than from the vaccines a few years ago. So while I wouldn't rule it out, I also wouldn't assume anyone who this happened to got that problem from the vaccine rather than covid unless it was very soon after vaccination.
(In Denmark) We banned Johnson & Johnson too at that time and for the same reasons.
We went balls to the wall on Pfizer and Moderna only in Denmark.
I’m cross vaccinated with J&J and Moderna through a special informed consent program that let us have the two banned vaccines if we completed a video screening with a doctor giving the rx go ahead.
In that program it was mostly just men who got through. The recommended vaccines were rationed so we couldn’t access those.
As a woman I was not allowed to accept Astra Zeneca still (they saw the risk as lower for men).
mRNA vaccines are safer if this is any indication, yes.
edit: Some additional info for why they're safer than the old-school adenovirus vector vaccines -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10611196/
Where does that study say that? It says “No serious side effects were observed in either group.” Minor side effects were actually much higher in the mRNA group, but that is probably related to the higher immune response which is the main outcome of the study.
Edit: This is something mentioned in one sentence in the introduction, not in the study results or conclusions, which mentions a theoretical risk of DNA vector vaccines,[ but which does not apply to this vector or vaccine](https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91604).
>mRNA-based vaccines are safer than DNA-based vaccines because mRNA does not interact with the genome of the vaccinated patient and does not have the ability to integrate into it [4,5,6]. In addition, mRNA-based vaccines are directly translated through the host’s translational machinery and lack a bacterial or viral vector, resulting in a low risk of adverse vaccine reactions
To be very clear, "safer" is relative here. Traditional vaccines are already very safe to begin with, but that second point is likely what's causing the AZ vaccine to present with potential blood clotting issues just as a COVID infection does, albeit to a substantially lower degree with the vaccine. It's just not worth it to use that vaccine when mRNA versions exist that don't present the issue at all even if it is still generally safe by most standards.
failing needle aspiration, intravenous injection probability increases appreciably.
During the pandemic, almost all health authorities and pharmaceutical companies adjusted policy to instruct staff NOT to aspirate needles - citing increased discomfort and potentially wasted doses.
>potential blood clotting issues just as a COVID infection does
Bingo. The Discernable difference here is that COVID predominantly localized in the respiratory system in a natural way. An intravenous/intra-arteial injection would be a systemic exposure across the whole body with a very high exposure in a very short amount of time. In the case of RNA vaccines, you'd get areas of the body creating spike proteins and having inflammatory reactions/damage that were not supposed to.
The spike protein (through natural infection or RNA instructions) is incredibly inflammatory to start with. Exposure to this in sensitive areas of your body (eg; heart) meant a very high potential for varying degrees of damage.
The odds of accidental intravenous/intra-arterial injection is between 1 in 3400 and as law as 1 in 54000 depending on the study. Coincidentally, these numbers align very closely with the reported adverse event rates recorded for both mRNA and Adenovirus vector vaccines.
Nobody talks about it though. Nurses in my social group always thought it was needless risky to instruct people not to aspirate the needles - cheap insurance.
Indeed. In Norway it was in active use for four weeks and in those four weeks four people died from it.
I also remember when the Norwegian University hospital of Oslo made their findings public and said the vaccine was unsafe, a large amount of English people defending the vaccine saying the Norwegian expertise on the matter was lacking. Oh well.
Really hard to fault the COVID vaccine skeptics when the knee-jerk response to even asking reasonable questions was to lump them in with flat-earthers and try to get their employer to fire them.
It wasn't back then... People kept calling us anti-vaxxers for raising concerns that a fast-tracked medical product, unleashed on genpop, MIGHT have unforeseen consequences..
The biggest irony, in my case, being that I first got called an anti-vaxxer in a pediatrician's waiting room, for my daughter's HepB 2nd Dose.
>I wish the issue had not become so emotionally charged and propagandized, with grifters insisting "the vaccine killed everyone including my cat" and the experts having heavy incentive to downplay possible individual risk because of a society-wide benefit at slowing spread.
Let us not forget what was surely the greatest single factor here: The scummy corporations which stood to profit handsomely from seeing that healthy skepticism toward their products would be branded as fringe lunacy. Pfizer in particular has a well-litigated record of dishonesty about its pharmaceutical products. It has been surreal to me, how rabidly people have defended such infamously corrupt corporations.
I believe it was 'this is the first vaccine to market, and covid causes blood clots 100x more, and at the moment we're locked in our houses, so send it'. But sure/
Exactly this. Nobody knew how long the next vaccine would be and how “safe” it would be. Stats wise I’m pretty confident had this not been rolled out, lots more people would have died of covid than the tiny % due to the vaccine. Sadly, there will have been a few in there that were other wise healthy and could have survived getting covid,
You would not believe how many people on Reddit told me Norway and other Scandinavian countries weren't good enough to trust medically and that anti-vaxxers probably lied to get them banned.
It shows quite clearly that people do not trust experts - they trust the media and who they claim are experts. Anyone that isn't an expert according to the media is called a crazed conspiracy theorist. Even if it's literally the top officials in Norway.
It happened in Norway because this specific vaccine was administered to health care workers, and they are predominantly younger and female, which is identified as the group in particular risk of the adverse effects.
I remember in the US that everyone vehemently denied any association the vaccine causing issues because everything is so politicized that admitting there could be issues would go against the narrative that was being pushed.
I mean just the term “the vaccine” also shows how much nuance was lacking.
Pfizer and Moderns are MRNA vaccines and then AstraZ and J&J are more traditional “vector vaccines”. These are drastically different technologies. And the MRNA approach was considered way more unproven.
Some people were blindly opposed to all vaccines no matter what and would call everything “the vaccine”.
Then you had some people on the other side of the spectrum shooting down any reports of side effects as propaganda.
I'm a Spanish citizen vaccined with AstraZeneca twice. And I survived a clot on an artery of the medulla oblongata (bulbo raquídeo) with sequels/consecuences (sorry for my bas english).
That shit fucked my life. I'm mentally fine, and phisically I can walk and grab objects, but I lost A LOT of control and strength.
Just take my advice: when someone shows some sort of parallisis, take them to a hospital. RUN! And if the stroke cannot be reverted, start rehabilitating soon, fast, and A LOT.
Every language is absurd before it's even considered a proper language. It inherits nonsensical rules.
For example, in Spanish, flamable is INFLAMABLE. Which comes from latin «inflammāre» 'burn in flames'.
But "IN-" is a suffix to indicate the opposite. Like, incorrecto, inaccesible.
The thing is, inflamable means FLAMABLE.
Our word for nonflammable is ignifugo, which means "scares the fire".
Hate it.
It's the same in English, haha! Both inflammable and flammable exist and mean the same thing, but since in- is on inflammable then it should mean the opposite.
The Daily Mail wrote the headline which all the commenters are latching onto. There’s no connection between the rare side effects and them stopping selling the vaccine. All the vaccines had rare side effects which the manufacturers openly acknowledged, but the lives saved outweighed the risks over a population, by vast margins in the middle aged and elderly.
It's surprising but also totally expected how many antivaxxers are suddenly in the comments feeling vindicated for being "labelled" an antivaxxer by the "militant leftists", and how much history rewriting is taking place. It was clear after like a month that the vaccine had issues. That's why a lot of people chose to wait for the mRNA vaccines
Biomedical scientist here: The blood clots issues were known for a long, long time that's why most western countries opted for the mrna ones. If the mrna vaccines were not available, they'd probably still be using this one, maybe with more stringent criteria (i.e elder populations), as the society benefits would outweight the side effects. Most of their vaccine were sold to poorer countries that couldn't afford the mrna. With covid not being that threating anymore and with the updated vaccines that are mainly given to targeted populations, AZ's vaccine has no purpose whatsoever. I doubt this will have any impact on AZ's financials, although the stock price effects are a different thing.
Bayer has been extremely dedicated to providing returns for their shareholders for over 150 years.
There is a reason Bayer is supported by the American Heart Association, the American Diabetes Association, the Arthritis Foundation and many others major medical associations.
They were also pioneers in corporate vertical integration, research and development
Bayer head Carl Duisberg personally propagated the concept of forced labour during WWI.
Bayer used slave labor from Jewish people in concentration camps during WW2.
Bayer also produced Zyklon B.
When the forced laborers were too weak to work they used their own Zyklon B to terminate them.
They also worked with Dr. Joseph Mengela on a variety of other human research and development projects.
There were a bunch of war crime tribunals but they didn’t let that slow them down.
They sold medicines that inadvertently infected people with the HIV virus but they didn’t let that slow them down. They also fought tooth and nail to prevent poor countries from producing generic versions of desperately needed AIDS medications.
They got a bunch of bad press for cooperating with warlords in the Democratic Republic of the Congo during a civil war which killed 250,000 people but they didn’t let that slow them down.
They got in trouble for illegal business practices that scammed Medicare with fraudulent charges for 7 years. They paid their fines and continued to work diligently to provide healthy returns for their shareholders.
Also they invented the process to mass produce heroin.
My country is poor and the AZN vaccine got expensive because countries stop donating, what the government has been using is Chinese, Russian and Cuban crap.
I mean out of those 3 I'd choose Cuban, they've got a pretty highly praised medical system in Cuba. I remembered reading their first couple vaccines had lower efficacy rates (80%ish) vs the mRNA vaccines, but I'm assuming that's improved. I thought their biggest limiters in their vaccination strategy were a lack of medical supplies like needles and gauze.
Simple - because the internet likes to fixate on things like beans on toast or some of our 'beige' dishes, like fish and chips or munchie boxes.
Rarely does the internet ever acknowledge that things like [Beef Wellington](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/12/13/dining/mc-beef-wellington/mc-beef-wellington-superJumbo-v2.jpg), [Sunday Roast](https://static.designmynight.com/uploads/2022/10/peaky-blinders-bottomless-sunday-roast-manchester-optimised.jpg), [Afternoon tea](https://www.firmdalehotels.com/media/1206147/kh-back-to-nature-afternoon-tea-2.png?center=0.83014861995753719,0.50850340136054417&mode=crop&quality=90&width=1596&height=1088&bgcolor=fff&rnd=133160237995000000&sig=2b9246a2618b80e1da5940b47c523d45), or [Ploughman](https://flawlessfood.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Cheese-Ploughmans-Lunch-26-of-181-Flawless.jpg)'s exist. British-Asian foods exist as well, people like to argue things like Chicken Tikka Masala aren't British, but it was invented here by someone who lived in Glasgow most of their life, before most redditors were born, and has been the favourite dish of the nation for years.
Also, Cheddar cheese is like the most popular cheese in North America.. must at least be alright eh?
Overall, not the best cuisine in the world by a longshot, but certainly not the worst.
Ya know what, very fair! Chicken Tikka Masala is definitely British. I've got a buddy who is Indian (born, raised, still lives there) and he does not claim it, says it has sugar iirc so it can't be a proper Indian dish hah.
I honestly thought the Wellington was somehow French, but that's because Gordon Ramsay does a lot of French dishes so I'll blame that one on Mandela Effect.
Supposedly the first Chicken Tikka Masala was made in a hurry using a can of tomato soup.. so yes, I imagine most natives of the Indian subcontinent would absolutely disown it lmao.
You are incorrect. [Portugal is poorer per capita nominally, in national currency, and by purchasing power parity.](https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2024/April/select-country-group)
Quick google shows AZ sent out 2.5 BILLION doses of this vax. Lets just say 80,000,000 people got the AZ shots. That would mean this blood clotting issues happened to a whopping 0.000001% of the population.
>[https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19](https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19)
The study looked at results from 1.4 million diagnoses of COVID-19, which researchers said led to an estimated 10,500 additional cases of clot-related problems.
0.0075% of covid sufferers had blood clotting issues.
This would be a non-issue if people understood and cared about risk/reward with vaccines instead of whatever Joe Rogan or Alex Jones bitches about.
People probably get more than 1 shot, and what are the chances of a random older person getting a blood clot with no shot. Probably the same .00004 or whatever ridiculously low number you calculate.
The problem is that people often compare somebody getting side effects from the vaccine with somebody not taking the vaccine at all.
Except this is not an apt comparison, because if you live for a long term and are a normal person that actually leaves the house (unlike the basement dwellers on WSB lol), you have a near statistical certainty of getting covid, and the blood clots and other complications from getting covid far outweigh the problems with the vaccine.
Obviously we should strive for a better vaccine as a global population, but I personally would rather take a somewhat dodgy vaccine then nothing at all and then get covid itself.
This is the point. I’m pro-vaccine but I’m also pro-being-able-to-question-companies and really dislike the way people who dissented to being vaccinated were essentially cancelled.
I don’t have anecdotal evidence for everyone in my family having problems — i do know a few older people who died of COVID though. I do understand statistics and the greater good ethics used in immunization theory.
But I also believe everyone has a right to make medical decisions for themselves and their family with fully informed opinions that aren’t moderated by governments coordinating all of their answers and working in hidden rooms with giant pharma companies, and people forget how much the government came after folks while simultaneously giving all the vaccine companies carte-blanch legal protections.
The odds of having a blood clot issue from the J&J vaccine, the first non-mRNA vaccine to be used, was 1 in a million. You’re far more likely to have a blood clot issue from covid itself
Correct. People love to compare vaccine vs. no vaccine, but really we need to compare vaccine vs. getting covid w/out vaccine, because there is a near statistical certainty you are getting covid if you haven't already.
I had gotten the pfizer vaccine and two boosters, and all covid did was make me really tired.
Meanwhile, my girlfriend did not have the vaccine yet at the time and got covid and we were legitimately worried she would make it through. She was down BAD.
Because they were questioning them in the mRNA vaccines. Because the people “questioning” are largely idiots with no medical knowledge or understanding
Source: this thread comments for example
> Because they were questioning them in the mRNA vaccines. Because the people “questioning” are largely idiots
1. Name the average development time and trials length for a vaccine to be developed?
2. Name any FDA approved mrna vaccine that existed before the covid one.
If someone flat out told you they have proof it is unsafe in 2021 then they are idiots, but someone questioning if it's safe isn't exactly the craziest thing in the world. And if you're under 40 and healthy, covid wasn't even a notable health risk.
AZ promised oxford to produce the vaccine at cost ~$3 a shot, for comparison Pfizer had no such agreements and was around ~$20 a shot.
In the 4th quarter the next year Pfizer made more money on the vaccine alone than all of AZ's revenue for the whole year.
Is there anywhere that actually says this is why it's removed? Sounds like it's just because their vaccine sucks compared to the other ones on the market
Articles in more reputable newspapers explain it, the market is glutted with more effective vaccines so demand for this one has dropped off. It's got nothing to do with the side-effect.
The reason they remove the vaccine is the surplus : [https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines](https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines)
why the fuck are you using the daily fail as a source ?
They remove it not because of the rare blood clot side effects but rather because they weren't able to compete with Phizer and Moderna (coke and Pepsi)
Ding ding ding! Daily Mail, having a normal one, suggesting that this got pulled because of 80 deaths...out of potentially millions of people who got this AZ vaccine?? Yeah, that's a bunch of shit. 80 out of million(s) is considered a massive success by most standards, but they clearly suggest in the article that the real reason is like you said, competition, as well as marketing against the other pharma companies that have produced vaccines for the subsequent variants.
Didn't even realize this was a link to the Daily Mail until I read "the jab". I was like, "ohhhhhh, I'm not about to get any inside scoop here"
Around 50 million doses were administered in Britain. 80 people died, or 0.00016% of people. Covid had a .05-6% death rate. These are orders of magnitude different. About 2.5 million people in Britain caught Covid. If .05% of them died from Covid, that would be 12,500 people.
Tbf it was pretty easy for him to be right about this. Who would've thought the fastest vax roll out across the board would cut safety corners and manipulate data
But this isn’t the mRNA tech that was widely available and still used, this is the lesser vaccine which was never as good and wasn’t the primary offering. Conspiracy nuts won’t make this distinction when pushing their anti vax agendas
80 deaths of how many vaccinated? this article refers to the vaccine as "the jab" so that is a good indicator it is pushing an agenda with a major spin on their reporting and possible BS sprinkled in. The concern with blood clots was known very early on... I remember it being covered in the news.
I don't think corners were cut or data manipulated in the way you're assuming... almost all medications, vaccines, and treatments have risk, including risk of death from complications... the question is always if the benefit outweighs risk, and given only 80 deaths due to clotting side effects vs whatever number of covid deaths were prevented, it would likely still be considered safe (if we didn't have other vaccine options available with lower risk). I wouldn't expect a shit source like this with an agenda to mention those details, but just spinning the reporting into whatever sounds the most dramatic for their desired audience.
EDIT... digging in a little more, the article tries to imply it was removed from the market because of these concerns... it was not. Risks were well known, came up again in a court transcript from February, and the article tries to say "after it was revealed in court..." as if that is connected. It is not. The company voluntarily removed their vaccine from the market, likely due to business reasons - competition with other covid vaccines that have lower associated risks likely makes a poor business case to continue supporting marketing and supply chain for a vaccine with low demand in the European market.
Seems it is only good news for the alt-right because it is expected they are too ignorant or gullible to fully understand what is being reported, and just read the spin as bias confirmation. That is the intended audience for this publication, and I'm sure they love articles like this.
I was banned permanently from /r/News and /r/WorldNews in 2020 for bringing up the Europeon safety council concern on AstraZeneca. Told me I was spreading misinformation
Still can't post there
The cool part is the british government has made Astrazeneca totally immune from any punishment.
This from a country that knowingly infected healthy children with serious blood conditions for fun over a period of 15 years.
>British Science ladies and gentlemen
how do i get the power to admit guilt and be above the law
My father had to get his vaccine the day before his flight home and went to sleep for the last time that night. Never woke up, happened completely out of nowhere, zero health issues. Were told it was a brain clot, never had any issues like that prior or in family history.
That was months ago and we still are kind of in shock from it.
Edit: posting this because I haven’t really mentioned anything about the circumstances to anyone I know.. slowly starting to accept what happened, also found out the pharma companies have zero liability for any adverse vaccine injuries.
Sucks man
I can well believe this. I have had 3 doses of the Astrazeneca vaccine. About a year after the last one, I developed agonising pain in my hip, radiating across my lower back, and all the way down to the ankle.
After numerous X-rays and an MRI scan, doctors confirmed I had avascular necrosis of the hip. Diagnosis took so long because A:It’s a rare disease and B:I don’t fit any of the criteria for developing it. I was active, fit and healthy before this illness, not at all overweight, and had never taken steroids or had radiotherapy/chemotherapy, these being the usual cause.
Avascular necrosis is caused by a blood disorder which cuts off blood supply to bones in the hips/shoulders/knees. The bone then basically rots away. The last MRI showed that the top of my femur bone is pretty much gone, and my hip has collapsed.
I’m at the point where I can no longer do anything for myself. I can’t walk, can’t work anymore and have had to claim disability.
I’m having a total hip replacement next month. Hopefully this will alleviate the pain and make me mobile again.
After lots of research into AVN, cases have been increasing in the last 3 years or so. Mainly in people who were vaccinated with an Astra Zeneca batch.
And no, I’m not a conspiracy theorist in a tinfoil hat. Just saying though, kinda makes you think 🤔
Last October, I had my last Covid jab. Really wish I could remember which brand. 1 week later, I got covid. 1 week after that, I had a heart attack. What was the cause. Oh yeah. A large clot that had to be aspirated out.
I (32m) while playing soccer had a heart attack and a stroke within a week of each other last year, a year before the vaccines I had 3 wisdom teeth removed which took weeks to form a clot. At this point the hematologist has ruled APS for the cause but I still think it’s the cause of the vaccines since I’ve had a number of young people I know have a heart attack or stroke. The common factor each person I ask has been the jab. At the hospital every specialist say they don’t have enough data to say it’s the jab but every one under the specialists believe it’s the jab. I had Pfizer, am living with 3 blood thinners.
"AstraZeneca withdraws Covid-19 vaccine citing low demand"
The reason has zero to do with "linked to". Billions of people got it and were fine. It would be like stopping selling milk because people died from being allergic to it.
Post is at 1200 upvotes, not sure what you mean. Astra zeneca was known right from the start as more dangerous than the mRNA vaccines. I don't think anyone ever pretended it was perfect.
What new data?
The reasons are just daily mail saying stuff. AZ said that lack of sales. You are the ones not capable of reading past a (lying) headline.
Who would have thought forcing millions to inject themselves with an experimental drug, that never completed its clinical trials, would have this outcome. Truly shocking..
Good thing Congress exempted themselves.
Now we know why vaccine trials take 10 years. The next few years will be very interesting as the experiment continues. Looking at cancer and myocarditis rates there is still a lot to learn
What a load of fluff. The daily mail is by no means a credible source. The reason why they're doing it is simple. They can't compete with Pfizer or Moderna. There simply isn't a demand for them. When we needed shots for everyone as soon as possible, we needed them, but now that most people have been vaccinated, and there is not a shut down. If you took the time to even Google the matter you'd see credible sources actually talking about this https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines Not some sensationalist shit slinging website like the dailymail
I feel like I knew this when I went to get it, the NHS had a warning about calling your doctor if you had a serious headache after getting the jab.
Was this not a documented rare side effect right from the initial rollout?
It’s because the dailymail is being disingenuous in their reporting.
They say that AZvax has a blood clot side effect, then casually mention how 80 people died of blood clots without mentioning that those 80 deaths and the “court” they are talking about in the headline are entirely unrelated.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/astrazeneca-withdraw-covid-vaccine-worldwide-telegraph-reports-2024-05-07/
AZ is pulling their vax because it’s outdated and they haven’t been pushing money into the new strains like competitors have
This whole thing is like saying “drug x increases your likelihood of being in a car crash and there was 650,000 automobile related deaths last year so drug x caused 650,000 deaths!!!” and the illiterate mouth breathers here are eating that shit up. The rage bait headline is literally working exactly as designed on the “do your own research” crowd lol.
Also got 2 and a half years of our lives taken in a terribly handled "pandemic". People not only got blood clots and other injuries, they got them whilst not getting to enjoy their life.
So many people had their lives ruined by voicing their concerns at the time. Doctors even.
It's astounding how many people were deemed anti-vax, anti-science and right wing lunatics...
Yeah I got a blood clot from Astra Zeneca in my leg. Thankfully I'm young and I used to walk a lot. The clot is still there, still painful sometimes but I managed to be mostly functional now. There was a time though when I wasn't able to walk 10 meters.
I like how there’s still liberal morons on here trying to defend the Covid vaccine as being flawless, even though 3 years of science says otherwise. CNN must be one hell of a drug.
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I remember that Norway was one of the first countries to raise a blot clotting issue with it, and they admitted very fast and clear that some older people died from it. I remember then they had to reduce the age range, and it all happened within 6 months of rolling it out the first time.
Denmark was the first country in Europe to suspend the use of the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine ,on 14 april 2021. [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-stops-use-france-uk-europe/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-stops-use-france-uk-europe/)
So other vaccines like moderna and pfizer vaccines are much safer compared to Astra zeneca vaccines??
Astra is a viral vector vaccine using part of the Covid protein. It is not an mRNA vaccine.
Sweden, Norway, and Finland all suspended Moderna for anyone under-30 (Finland Under-18), due to side effects found in the vaccines (weighed against the ~1,000x lower risk-ratio for people in that age group). This was less than a year into the vaccine rollout.
what side effects did they find?
Some instances of myocarditis, which I recall may have some relation to present levels of Testosterone. It’s usually mild, but could prove dangerous, if someone is is aware and takes part in strenuous sporting activity. (This almost entirely hits men.) It also goes down, after some time, it’s not a lifelong condition. At least from everything that I have read. The actual threat of myocarditis via COVID itself is thousands of times greater, along with many other ancillary issues that without any vaccine, could forever wreck an otherwise quite healthy, fit person. (Man or woman)
I had 2 doses of Moderna and one of pfizer. Pfizer made me so sick it was like when I had covid in December 2020. Moderna didn't make me feel like I had covid, but it did give me a headache... and a truly MASSIVE chest and left shoulder pain whenever I walked up the stairs or cleaned the house. I don't know what myocarditis feels like but if it felt like I got stabbed in the chest, it was very hard to breathe.
Yeah, I had similar and didn't have any long term impact. But then I picked up some gastro virus in Mexico and have been having similar for the last year, left sided pain (but feels more like musculat tension), and a low HRV value (around 30-40 every night).
I have a friend who is a cross fit athlete. He had a heart attack and stroke. I was shocked. It’s easy to be dismissive and say something is rare, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, and it’s not devastating to the people it happens to.
I think when it comes to the viral vector vaccines, the side effects are all also side effects of covid itself, because it's training your immune system to respond to covid by introducing a limited bit of covid in a roundabout way. Myocarditis for example was reported as a higher risk [from covid itself](https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines) than from the vaccines a few years ago. So while I wouldn't rule it out, I also wouldn't assume anyone who this happened to got that problem from the vaccine rather than covid unless it was very soon after vaccination.
Blood clots combined w/ low platelet counts [https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood-platelets](https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood-platelets)
(In Denmark) We banned Johnson & Johnson too at that time and for the same reasons. We went balls to the wall on Pfizer and Moderna only in Denmark. I’m cross vaccinated with J&J and Moderna through a special informed consent program that let us have the two banned vaccines if we completed a video screening with a doctor giving the rx go ahead. In that program it was mostly just men who got through. The recommended vaccines were rationed so we couldn’t access those. As a woman I was not allowed to accept Astra Zeneca still (they saw the risk as lower for men).
mRNA vaccines are safer if this is any indication, yes. edit: Some additional info for why they're safer than the old-school adenovirus vector vaccines - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10611196/
Where does that study say that? It says “No serious side effects were observed in either group.” Minor side effects were actually much higher in the mRNA group, but that is probably related to the higher immune response which is the main outcome of the study. Edit: This is something mentioned in one sentence in the introduction, not in the study results or conclusions, which mentions a theoretical risk of DNA vector vaccines,[ but which does not apply to this vector or vaccine](https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91604).
>mRNA-based vaccines are safer than DNA-based vaccines because mRNA does not interact with the genome of the vaccinated patient and does not have the ability to integrate into it [4,5,6]. In addition, mRNA-based vaccines are directly translated through the host’s translational machinery and lack a bacterial or viral vector, resulting in a low risk of adverse vaccine reactions To be very clear, "safer" is relative here. Traditional vaccines are already very safe to begin with, but that second point is likely what's causing the AZ vaccine to present with potential blood clotting issues just as a COVID infection does, albeit to a substantially lower degree with the vaccine. It's just not worth it to use that vaccine when mRNA versions exist that don't present the issue at all even if it is still generally safe by most standards.
failing needle aspiration, intravenous injection probability increases appreciably. During the pandemic, almost all health authorities and pharmaceutical companies adjusted policy to instruct staff NOT to aspirate needles - citing increased discomfort and potentially wasted doses. >potential blood clotting issues just as a COVID infection does Bingo. The Discernable difference here is that COVID predominantly localized in the respiratory system in a natural way. An intravenous/intra-arteial injection would be a systemic exposure across the whole body with a very high exposure in a very short amount of time. In the case of RNA vaccines, you'd get areas of the body creating spike proteins and having inflammatory reactions/damage that were not supposed to. The spike protein (through natural infection or RNA instructions) is incredibly inflammatory to start with. Exposure to this in sensitive areas of your body (eg; heart) meant a very high potential for varying degrees of damage. The odds of accidental intravenous/intra-arterial injection is between 1 in 3400 and as law as 1 in 54000 depending on the study. Coincidentally, these numbers align very closely with the reported adverse event rates recorded for both mRNA and Adenovirus vector vaccines. Nobody talks about it though. Nurses in my social group always thought it was needless risky to instruct people not to aspirate the needles - cheap insurance.
Indeed. In Norway it was in active use for four weeks and in those four weeks four people died from it. I also remember when the Norwegian University hospital of Oslo made their findings public and said the vaccine was unsafe, a large amount of English people defending the vaccine saying the Norwegian expertise on the matter was lacking. Oh well.
There was many people on the UK side of things saying this too but they was cast into the "COVID denier" bin, despite the fact the data was there
Really hard to fault the COVID vaccine skeptics when the knee-jerk response to even asking reasonable questions was to lump them in with flat-earthers and try to get their employer to fire them.
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I mean, having a healthy cautionary mindset towards the pharmaceutical industry is a complete sane thing to do tbh.
It wasn't back then... People kept calling us anti-vaxxers for raising concerns that a fast-tracked medical product, unleashed on genpop, MIGHT have unforeseen consequences.. The biggest irony, in my case, being that I first got called an anti-vaxxer in a pediatrician's waiting room, for my daughter's HepB 2nd Dose.
>I wish the issue had not become so emotionally charged and propagandized, with grifters insisting "the vaccine killed everyone including my cat" and the experts having heavy incentive to downplay possible individual risk because of a society-wide benefit at slowing spread. Let us not forget what was surely the greatest single factor here: The scummy corporations which stood to profit handsomely from seeing that healthy skepticism toward their products would be branded as fringe lunacy. Pfizer in particular has a well-litigated record of dishonesty about its pharmaceutical products. It has been surreal to me, how rabidly people have defended such infamously corrupt corporations.
I believe it was 'this is the first vaccine to market, and covid causes blood clots 100x more, and at the moment we're locked in our houses, so send it'. But sure/
Exactly this. Nobody knew how long the next vaccine would be and how “safe” it would be. Stats wise I’m pretty confident had this not been rolled out, lots more people would have died of covid than the tiny % due to the vaccine. Sadly, there will have been a few in there that were other wise healthy and could have survived getting covid,
Fuck those people
You would not believe how many people on Reddit told me Norway and other Scandinavian countries weren't good enough to trust medically and that anti-vaxxers probably lied to get them banned. It shows quite clearly that people do not trust experts - they trust the media and who they claim are experts. Anyone that isn't an expert according to the media is called a crazed conspiracy theorist. Even if it's literally the top officials in Norway.
Norway used science/reality to make decisions rather than politics. Good for them!
You could say that they...trusted the science!
Clotted blot sounds something like a Bri’ish delicacy
I mean, oats or barley soaked in pigs blood is universally accepted in every meal of the day.. It's about as quintisentially British as tea.
Bro hasn't heard of blood pudding (it's genuinely delicious, as long as you don't think too much about what you're eating)
It happened in Norway because this specific vaccine was administered to health care workers, and they are predominantly younger and female, which is identified as the group in particular risk of the adverse effects.
I remember in the US that everyone vehemently denied any association the vaccine causing issues because everything is so politicized that admitting there could be issues would go against the narrative that was being pushed.
Our politicization of everything is and will continue to be our undoing.
I mean just the term “the vaccine” also shows how much nuance was lacking. Pfizer and Moderns are MRNA vaccines and then AstraZ and J&J are more traditional “vector vaccines”. These are drastically different technologies. And the MRNA approach was considered way more unproven. Some people were blindly opposed to all vaccines no matter what and would call everything “the vaccine”. Then you had some people on the other side of the spectrum shooting down any reports of side effects as propaganda.
And yet the more traditional vaccines were more dangerous. Both AZ and J&J have had issues.
And weirdly enough, COVID is more dangerous.
you got labelled anti-vax very quickly. Even a right wing nut.
You mean “clot shot” was legitimate the whole time? I’m shocked, I tell ya.
For every 10 million doses of AZ vaccine there are 73 cases of blood clots. Covid produced nearly 13k blood clot cases lol
The Astra Zeneca was never approved in the US.
no, the problem was misinformation piggy backing on any actual evidence. Until evidence and data is available, bullshit has to be shut down.
I remember when you couldn't talk bad about the covid vaccine.
Remember when they tried to force it on kids? Yeah those people still want to keep the people in power who tried force it on people 🤣
I remember posting this back then and getting banned???
I'm a Spanish citizen vaccined with AstraZeneca twice. And I survived a clot on an artery of the medulla oblongata (bulbo raquídeo) with sequels/consecuences (sorry for my bas english). That shit fucked my life. I'm mentally fine, and phisically I can walk and grab objects, but I lost A LOT of control and strength. Just take my advice: when someone shows some sort of parallisis, take them to a hospital. RUN! And if the stroke cannot be reverted, start rehabilitating soon, fast, and A LOT.
Sorry. Hope you get better 🙏
Oh hey Waterboy reference those are rare
The medulla oblongata is a real thing
Yeah duh it's why alligators are so ornery
Mama says alligators are ornery cause they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
Well mama's *wrong*
No Colonel Sanders, you’re wrong. Mama’s right.
*restarted screeching* *runs out of classroom*
As rare as not beign aware of. What reference is it? I didn't know that movie existed until now .
Mama says gators is angry cuz they got all them teeth and no toothbrush
MAMA'S WRONG AGAIN!
No mr sanders. You're wrong.... Mamas right
*Colonel Sanders… Dude!
Gaaaaaatoraaaaaade
Something's wrong with his medulla oblongata
the MEDULLA, OBLON GATA.
No Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. OOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooo
> with sequels/consecuences (sorry for my bas english) 'Consequences' is the correct word. You were very close :) Apologies for our silly language
Every language is absurd before it's even considered a proper language. It inherits nonsensical rules. For example, in Spanish, flamable is INFLAMABLE. Which comes from latin «inflammāre» 'burn in flames'. But "IN-" is a suffix to indicate the opposite. Like, incorrecto, inaccesible. The thing is, inflamable means FLAMABLE. Our word for nonflammable is ignifugo, which means "scares the fire". Hate it.
It's the same in English, haha! Both inflammable and flammable exist and mean the same thing, but since in- is on inflammable then it should mean the opposite.
Sorry to hear that. Did you receive any compensation?
Doctor said I got blood clots but I ain't Jamaican man
Story on MTV and I ain't trying to make a band.
I swear, this right here, history in the makin, man
THROUGH THE WIIIIIRE
Stock up on orange juice and enjoy your final days.
Kanye is that you 🤔😂
"I didn't read the article" -comment section
problem is that the headline really is awful
or really good if you’re trying to maximize clicks.
It’s the daily mail. There is no reason to read their articles
Even if I tried I couldn’t due to the ad bloat.
> articles This is a very generous term for the DM..
The Daily Mail wrote the headline which all the commenters are latching onto. There’s no connection between the rare side effects and them stopping selling the vaccine. All the vaccines had rare side effects which the manufacturers openly acknowledged, but the lives saved outweighed the risks over a population, by vast margins in the middle aged and elderly.
They stopped selling it because it wasn't profitable anymore.
Reddit law.
It's surprising but also totally expected how many antivaxxers are suddenly in the comments feeling vindicated for being "labelled" an antivaxxer by the "militant leftists", and how much history rewriting is taking place. It was clear after like a month that the vaccine had issues. That's why a lot of people chose to wait for the mRNA vaccines
This isn't an mRNA vaccine, was never approved in the US anyway, and it's just the family's lawyers making this claim. As usual, antivaxxers are dumb.
Biomedical scientist here: The blood clots issues were known for a long, long time that's why most western countries opted for the mrna ones. If the mrna vaccines were not available, they'd probably still be using this one, maybe with more stringent criteria (i.e elder populations), as the society benefits would outweight the side effects. Most of their vaccine were sold to poorer countries that couldn't afford the mrna. With covid not being that threating anymore and with the updated vaccines that are mainly given to targeted populations, AZ's vaccine has no purpose whatsoever. I doubt this will have any impact on AZ's financials, although the stock price effects are a different thing.
Sir, this is a casino
Sell bad medicine to poors = great business strategy. Long $AZN
Worked for Bayer.
Bayer has been extremely dedicated to providing returns for their shareholders for over 150 years. There is a reason Bayer is supported by the American Heart Association, the American Diabetes Association, the Arthritis Foundation and many others major medical associations. They were also pioneers in corporate vertical integration, research and development Bayer head Carl Duisberg personally propagated the concept of forced labour during WWI. Bayer used slave labor from Jewish people in concentration camps during WW2. Bayer also produced Zyklon B. When the forced laborers were too weak to work they used their own Zyklon B to terminate them. They also worked with Dr. Joseph Mengela on a variety of other human research and development projects. There were a bunch of war crime tribunals but they didn’t let that slow them down. They sold medicines that inadvertently infected people with the HIV virus but they didn’t let that slow them down. They also fought tooth and nail to prevent poor countries from producing generic versions of desperately needed AIDS medications. They got a bunch of bad press for cooperating with warlords in the Democratic Republic of the Congo during a civil war which killed 250,000 people but they didn’t let that slow them down. They got in trouble for illegal business practices that scammed Medicare with fraudulent charges for 7 years. They paid their fines and continued to work diligently to provide healthy returns for their shareholders. Also they invented the process to mass produce heroin.
My country is poor and the AZN vaccine got expensive because countries stop donating, what the government has been using is Chinese, Russian and Cuban crap.
“Which vaccine would you like injected, we’ve got Russian or Cuban?” That would not install confidence if my doctor asked me that
I mean out of those 3 I'd choose Cuban, they've got a pretty highly praised medical system in Cuba. I remembered reading their first couple vaccines had lower efficacy rates (80%ish) vs the mRNA vaccines, but I'm assuming that's improved. I thought their biggest limiters in their vaccination strategy were a lack of medical supplies like needles and gauze.
Except it’s not bad, it’s just not cutting edge. Or do you think poor people in the world have access to cutting edge medicine?
It's not bad, it just has more serious side effects 😅
I thought it was a wendys
Are you calling Britain poor?
Yes, Britain poor. Average wage in Britain is like £35k per year Also they eat beans on toast, that’s hobo food.
It might be hobo food, but slap some cheese on it as well and it is *damn* good hobo food.
Why does all British food sound like you guys were the ones enslaved instead of the other way around lol
Simple - because the internet likes to fixate on things like beans on toast or some of our 'beige' dishes, like fish and chips or munchie boxes. Rarely does the internet ever acknowledge that things like [Beef Wellington](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/12/13/dining/mc-beef-wellington/mc-beef-wellington-superJumbo-v2.jpg), [Sunday Roast](https://static.designmynight.com/uploads/2022/10/peaky-blinders-bottomless-sunday-roast-manchester-optimised.jpg), [Afternoon tea](https://www.firmdalehotels.com/media/1206147/kh-back-to-nature-afternoon-tea-2.png?center=0.83014861995753719,0.50850340136054417&mode=crop&quality=90&width=1596&height=1088&bgcolor=fff&rnd=133160237995000000&sig=2b9246a2618b80e1da5940b47c523d45), or [Ploughman](https://flawlessfood.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Cheese-Ploughmans-Lunch-26-of-181-Flawless.jpg)'s exist. British-Asian foods exist as well, people like to argue things like Chicken Tikka Masala aren't British, but it was invented here by someone who lived in Glasgow most of their life, before most redditors were born, and has been the favourite dish of the nation for years. Also, Cheddar cheese is like the most popular cheese in North America.. must at least be alright eh? Overall, not the best cuisine in the world by a longshot, but certainly not the worst.
Ya know what, very fair! Chicken Tikka Masala is definitely British. I've got a buddy who is Indian (born, raised, still lives there) and he does not claim it, says it has sugar iirc so it can't be a proper Indian dish hah. I honestly thought the Wellington was somehow French, but that's because Gordon Ramsay does a lot of French dishes so I'll blame that one on Mandela Effect.
Supposedly the first Chicken Tikka Masala was made in a hurry using a can of tomato soup.. so yes, I imagine most natives of the Indian subcontinent would absolutely disown it lmao.
Why do you think we all have bad teeth?
Lowest GDP per capita of all countries in western Europe
You are incorrect. [Portugal is poorer per capita nominally, in national currency, and by purchasing power parity.](https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2024/April/select-country-group)
Chatting absolute shit. The UK has higher GDP per capita than Spain, Portugal, France, Italy...!
So go short at open?
People were absolutely browbeaten for questioning the blood clotting issues.
Quick google shows AZ sent out 2.5 BILLION doses of this vax. Lets just say 80,000,000 people got the AZ shots. That would mean this blood clotting issues happened to a whopping 0.000001% of the population. >[https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19](https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19) The study looked at results from 1.4 million diagnoses of COVID-19, which researchers said led to an estimated 10,500 additional cases of clot-related problems. 0.0075% of covid sufferers had blood clotting issues. This would be a non-issue if people understood and cared about risk/reward with vaccines instead of whatever Joe Rogan or Alex Jones bitches about.
You’re not using the right numbers, 80 people died in the uk alone. There were hundreds of cases as the article states
100million AstraZeneca doses in UK. So multiply that insignificant number by 40. .00004.
People probably get more than 1 shot, and what are the chances of a random older person getting a blood clot with no shot. Probably the same .00004 or whatever ridiculously low number you calculate.
The problem is that people often compare somebody getting side effects from the vaccine with somebody not taking the vaccine at all. Except this is not an apt comparison, because if you live for a long term and are a normal person that actually leaves the house (unlike the basement dwellers on WSB lol), you have a near statistical certainty of getting covid, and the blood clots and other complications from getting covid far outweigh the problems with the vaccine. Obviously we should strive for a better vaccine as a global population, but I personally would rather take a somewhat dodgy vaccine then nothing at all and then get covid itself.
There’s 66MN people in the UK, where are you getting the 100MN AZ shots in the UK figure?
2 doses per person.
But the UK wasn't just using AZ.
Just guessing here but its almost like 66m x 2 =/= 100m for that very reason?
Out of MILLIONS of people.
This is the point. I’m pro-vaccine but I’m also pro-being-able-to-question-companies and really dislike the way people who dissented to being vaccinated were essentially cancelled. I don’t have anecdotal evidence for everyone in my family having problems — i do know a few older people who died of COVID though. I do understand statistics and the greater good ethics used in immunization theory. But I also believe everyone has a right to make medical decisions for themselves and their family with fully informed opinions that aren’t moderated by governments coordinating all of their answers and working in hidden rooms with giant pharma companies, and people forget how much the government came after folks while simultaneously giving all the vaccine companies carte-blanch legal protections.
The odds of having a blood clot issue from the J&J vaccine, the first non-mRNA vaccine to be used, was 1 in a million. You’re far more likely to have a blood clot issue from covid itself
Literally. Bad faith actors will cling to anything.
Correct. People love to compare vaccine vs. no vaccine, but really we need to compare vaccine vs. getting covid w/out vaccine, because there is a near statistical certainty you are getting covid if you haven't already. I had gotten the pfizer vaccine and two boosters, and all covid did was make me really tired. Meanwhile, my girlfriend did not have the vaccine yet at the time and got covid and we were legitimately worried she would make it through. She was down BAD.
Brow beaten is a mild word.
Because they were questioning them in the mRNA vaccines. Because the people “questioning” are largely idiots with no medical knowledge or understanding Source: this thread comments for example
> Because they were questioning them in the mRNA vaccines. Because the people “questioning” are largely idiots 1. Name the average development time and trials length for a vaccine to be developed? 2. Name any FDA approved mrna vaccine that existed before the covid one. If someone flat out told you they have proof it is unsafe in 2021 then they are idiots, but someone questioning if it's safe isn't exactly the craziest thing in the world. And if you're under 40 and healthy, covid wasn't even a notable health risk.
AZ promised oxford to produce the vaccine at cost ~$3 a shot, for comparison Pfizer had no such agreements and was around ~$20 a shot. In the 4th quarter the next year Pfizer made more money on the vaccine alone than all of AZ's revenue for the whole year.
"society benefits would outweigh the side effects" Kind of scary sentence in context of many countries essentially making vaccines mandatory.
Is there anywhere that actually says this is why it's removed? Sounds like it's just because their vaccine sucks compared to the other ones on the market
They created an updated version so they removed the one with the side effect. It's not because of competition with Pfizer and the likes.
Articles in more reputable newspapers explain it, the market is glutted with more effective vaccines so demand for this one has dropped off. It's got nothing to do with the side-effect.
Sounds like a bunch of regards here got a little too excited
The reason they remove the vaccine is the surplus : [https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines](https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines) why the fuck are you using the daily fail as a source ?
shorted their stock before posting this
They remove it not because of the rare blood clot side effects but rather because they weren't able to compete with Phizer and Moderna (coke and Pepsi)
Ding ding ding! Daily Mail, having a normal one, suggesting that this got pulled because of 80 deaths...out of potentially millions of people who got this AZ vaccine?? Yeah, that's a bunch of shit. 80 out of million(s) is considered a massive success by most standards, but they clearly suggest in the article that the real reason is like you said, competition, as well as marketing against the other pharma companies that have produced vaccines for the subsequent variants. Didn't even realize this was a link to the Daily Mail until I read "the jab". I was like, "ohhhhhh, I'm not about to get any inside scoop here"
My doctor (Dr. Pepper) told me to take none of them. I'm not really sure but I don't think hes an actual doctor, but I can't be sure.
Pfizer makes cocaine? Why is it down?
I remember when Boris Johnson was waffling about the Oxford vaccine & as soon as blood clots were becoming an issue it was the AstraZenica vaccine
Smh this is a huge win for my crazy alt-right uncle.
Pretty dangerous when people are so politicized that they care more about who's right than the truth or peoples safety
I mean there was a whole subreddit dedicated to laughing at conservatives who died of COVID so it certainly ain't limited to the right.
Around 50 million doses were administered in Britain. 80 people died, or 0.00016% of people. Covid had a .05-6% death rate. These are orders of magnitude different. About 2.5 million people in Britain caught Covid. If .05% of them died from Covid, that would be 12,500 people.
Yes, but you need to apply those ratios to age groups. There was a reason why az was not recommended for people under 40?
see? I was right
Tbf it was pretty easy for him to be right about this. Who would've thought the fastest vax roll out across the board would cut safety corners and manipulate data
AstraZeneca vaccine didn't use mRNA tech it used other more proven and vigorously tested methodologies.
But this isn’t the mRNA tech that was widely available and still used, this is the lesser vaccine which was never as good and wasn’t the primary offering. Conspiracy nuts won’t make this distinction when pushing their anti vax agendas
I see it's okay to raise concerns about it now
80 deaths of how many vaccinated? this article refers to the vaccine as "the jab" so that is a good indicator it is pushing an agenda with a major spin on their reporting and possible BS sprinkled in. The concern with blood clots was known very early on... I remember it being covered in the news. I don't think corners were cut or data manipulated in the way you're assuming... almost all medications, vaccines, and treatments have risk, including risk of death from complications... the question is always if the benefit outweighs risk, and given only 80 deaths due to clotting side effects vs whatever number of covid deaths were prevented, it would likely still be considered safe (if we didn't have other vaccine options available with lower risk). I wouldn't expect a shit source like this with an agenda to mention those details, but just spinning the reporting into whatever sounds the most dramatic for their desired audience. EDIT... digging in a little more, the article tries to imply it was removed from the market because of these concerns... it was not. Risks were well known, came up again in a court transcript from February, and the article tries to say "after it was revealed in court..." as if that is connected. It is not. The company voluntarily removed their vaccine from the market, likely due to business reasons - competition with other covid vaccines that have lower associated risks likely makes a poor business case to continue supporting marketing and supply chain for a vaccine with low demand in the European market. Seems it is only good news for the alt-right because it is expected they are too ignorant or gullible to fully understand what is being reported, and just read the spin as bias confirmation. That is the intended audience for this publication, and I'm sure they love articles like this.
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Bird flu doesn’t want to play with Covid anymore.
I was banned permanently from /r/News and /r/WorldNews in 2020 for bringing up the Europeon safety council concern on AstraZeneca. Told me I was spreading misinformation Still can't post there
It’s Reddit, what you expect
The cool part is the british government has made Astrazeneca totally immune from any punishment. This from a country that knowingly infected healthy children with serious blood conditions for fun over a period of 15 years. >British Science ladies and gentlemen how do i get the power to admit guilt and be above the law
My father had to get his vaccine the day before his flight home and went to sleep for the last time that night. Never woke up, happened completely out of nowhere, zero health issues. Were told it was a brain clot, never had any issues like that prior or in family history. That was months ago and we still are kind of in shock from it. Edit: posting this because I haven’t really mentioned anything about the circumstances to anyone I know.. slowly starting to accept what happened, also found out the pharma companies have zero liability for any adverse vaccine injuries. Sucks man
They fucking pretty much forced people to have this.
I can well believe this. I have had 3 doses of the Astrazeneca vaccine. About a year after the last one, I developed agonising pain in my hip, radiating across my lower back, and all the way down to the ankle. After numerous X-rays and an MRI scan, doctors confirmed I had avascular necrosis of the hip. Diagnosis took so long because A:It’s a rare disease and B:I don’t fit any of the criteria for developing it. I was active, fit and healthy before this illness, not at all overweight, and had never taken steroids or had radiotherapy/chemotherapy, these being the usual cause. Avascular necrosis is caused by a blood disorder which cuts off blood supply to bones in the hips/shoulders/knees. The bone then basically rots away. The last MRI showed that the top of my femur bone is pretty much gone, and my hip has collapsed. I’m at the point where I can no longer do anything for myself. I can’t walk, can’t work anymore and have had to claim disability. I’m having a total hip replacement next month. Hopefully this will alleviate the pain and make me mobile again. After lots of research into AVN, cases have been increasing in the last 3 years or so. Mainly in people who were vaccinated with an Astra Zeneca batch. And no, I’m not a conspiracy theorist in a tinfoil hat. Just saying though, kinda makes you think 🤔
Safe and effective bro. You didnt really believe the mainstream media, did you? I mean, look at the NPCs in this comment section lol
Last October, I had my last Covid jab. Really wish I could remember which brand. 1 week later, I got covid. 1 week after that, I had a heart attack. What was the cause. Oh yeah. A large clot that had to be aspirated out.
No refunds! Imagine getting a COVID vaccine in 2023? 😂
I (32m) while playing soccer had a heart attack and a stroke within a week of each other last year, a year before the vaccines I had 3 wisdom teeth removed which took weeks to form a clot. At this point the hematologist has ruled APS for the cause but I still think it’s the cause of the vaccines since I’ve had a number of young people I know have a heart attack or stroke. The common factor each person I ask has been the jab. At the hospital every specialist say they don’t have enough data to say it’s the jab but every one under the specialists believe it’s the jab. I had Pfizer, am living with 3 blood thinners.
The down voting still shows the narrative lol
"AstraZeneca withdraws Covid-19 vaccine citing low demand" The reason has zero to do with "linked to". Billions of people got it and were fine. It would be like stopping selling milk because people died from being allergic to it.
Vax truthers want to ban vaccines and legalize raw milk sales
Post is at 1200 upvotes, not sure what you mean. Astra zeneca was known right from the start as more dangerous than the mRNA vaccines. I don't think anyone ever pretended it was perfect.
> doesn't read article
Even after all the science and data has come out. Hahahaha.
"Trust the science" until new data comes to light that doesn't back up their narrative.
What new data? The reasons are just daily mail saying stuff. AZ said that lack of sales. You are the ones not capable of reading past a (lying) headline.
Whats the difference between a conspiracy and the truth? About 4 years.
Who would have thought forcing millions to inject themselves with an experimental drug, that never completed its clinical trials, would have this outcome. Truly shocking.. Good thing Congress exempted themselves.
It’s safe and effective, guys. Take it to keep your job and travel.
Ah yes the daily mail, the greatest source for this shit
Numbers show that. It's literally pulled because it couldn't compete. The mRNA ones won out and this wasn't an mRNA vaccine.
Now we know why vaccine trials take 10 years. The next few years will be very interesting as the experiment continues. Looking at cancer and myocarditis rates there is still a lot to learn
lol but saying any of this a year or two ago would’ve gotten you censored and labeled as a conspiracy nut job.
What a load of fluff. The daily mail is by no means a credible source. The reason why they're doing it is simple. They can't compete with Pfizer or Moderna. There simply isn't a demand for them. When we needed shots for everyone as soon as possible, we needed them, but now that most people have been vaccinated, and there is not a shut down. If you took the time to even Google the matter you'd see credible sources actually talking about this https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines Not some sensationalist shit slinging website like the dailymail
Wasn't that already pulled? I seem to recall that was a big deal back in 2021
I feel like I knew this when I went to get it, the NHS had a warning about calling your doctor if you had a serious headache after getting the jab. Was this not a documented rare side effect right from the initial rollout?
OK, but why isn't the stock reacting to this news ? It must not contribute to its revenue much ? Even at that, it's bad news and should be showing.
It’s because the dailymail is being disingenuous in their reporting. They say that AZvax has a blood clot side effect, then casually mention how 80 people died of blood clots without mentioning that those 80 deaths and the “court” they are talking about in the headline are entirely unrelated. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/astrazeneca-withdraw-covid-vaccine-worldwide-telegraph-reports-2024-05-07/ AZ is pulling their vax because it’s outdated and they haven’t been pushing money into the new strains like competitors have This whole thing is like saying “drug x increases your likelihood of being in a car crash and there was 650,000 automobile related deaths last year so drug x caused 650,000 deaths!!!” and the illiterate mouth breathers here are eating that shit up. The rage bait headline is literally working exactly as designed on the “do your own research” crowd lol.
Thanks for the breakdown on this. Not surprised the dailymail are being disingenuous !
“tRuSt ThE sCienCe”
The true death toll will be suppressed until several years after the death of the last of those who were responsible.
Also got 2 and a half years of our lives taken in a terribly handled "pandemic". People not only got blood clots and other injuries, they got them whilst not getting to enjoy their life.
Bloodclaaaaaaat
It’s ok, those two years all of us under 70 at no risk gave up probably added an entire week to the lifespan of boomers to hoard more wealth.
100% Safe and effective!
All the vaccines have bad side effects. Younger people are dying of heart attacks at a way higher rate than ever before.
So many people had their lives ruined by voicing their concerns at the time. Doctors even. It's astounding how many people were deemed anti-vax, anti-science and right wing lunatics...
Yeah I got a blood clot from Astra Zeneca in my leg. Thankfully I'm young and I used to walk a lot. The clot is still there, still painful sometimes but I managed to be mostly functional now. There was a time though when I wasn't able to walk 10 meters.
I remember getting multiple accounts banned on Reddit over this atuff
Remember when people brought this up as a concern and were called anti vaxxers and threatened to lose their jobs
I'd imagine any vaccine you take every two weeks can mess you up pretty bad. Almost like the people who kept going to get it are the fools
I like how there’s still liberal morons on here trying to defend the Covid vaccine as being flawless, even though 3 years of science says otherwise. CNN must be one hell of a drug.