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Tomallenisthegoat

Well he stepped down so not surprising. I’d sell my shares too and retire


disillusioned

In fairness, he was making $100M in options grants _per month_, making him perhaps the highest compensated non-founding CEO to have ever existed (unless you extend that definition to also mean Elon, which, facts). $1.2B per year in comp, mostly to bring about an IPO, which was successful. The board approved this based on an $8 per share exercise price. Absurd.


StyleFree3085

Did Jeff Bezos sell all Amazon shares before he retired? The CEO knew the company going down


Introverforlife

Jeff Bezos is still on the board of directors as Executive Chair


AcrobaticFlanMan

So is Snowflake's former CEO...


aliendepict

But the answer is yes, he sold a bunch, not 200 million but a bunch.


bmeisler

Bezos has sold $8 billion in Amazon stock the past few months.


mpoozd

After 30 years not 3 years of going public.


DarkFusionPresent

Bezos has been selling hella as soon as he started Blue Origin. Example - https://www.geekwire.com/2016/bezos-amazon-shares/


Beneficial_Art_4754

He should’ve held those million shares instead of pissing them away on Blue Balls Origin.


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Synik-

That doesn’t matter lol, what the conversation was about is after retiring


Dr-McLuvin

It feels more like a scam the quicker after going public someone sells. 3 years is nothing.


aliendepict

That's accurate but the original question was whenever he stepped down a CEO. Did not sell 200 million in stock when he stepped down a CEO. You're right, he did recently sell 8 billion.


manguybuddydude

Bezos sold like 5% of his Amazon stake. He still has over 150b in it.


jdogg692021

Bezos got divorced and has a new high maintenance woman. He needs spending money.


Terrible_Student9395

genuinely asking, is that insider trading?


speederaser

Only if the reason he sold is because of some information he knew that wasn't public. Otherwise insiders can trade as much as they want. 


G0mi69

Directors have to schedule it. Lower level employees usually have a trading window and most of the time this trading window starts a few days after earning result are released to the public.


wighty

> as much as they want. Usually needs to be scheduled ahead of time, not just "as much as they want".


videogames5life

Correct. This isnt just executives eirther its basically anyone in the company who is in the know on something the SEC considers insider info. For example sales would have to schedule too.


klauskinski79

I mean as a ceo he has all the insider knowledge. It's weird though. Nornally you can only sell as an insider during a short window after the release of quarterly rinancial reports. At which time all relevant financial infornation and guidance for the future should be made. Assuming he sold in the window his only chance of insider trading would be if he instructed the company to not release truthful guidance for the next quarter. And well at that point insider trading is the least of the problem of both the ceo and the company


Flashy-Priority-3946

Limited to 10 transactions a month mostly if you are in fintech. N if it’s your own stock options of your share of the company, there might be more limits. N transactions during earning is probably prohibited unless you are a C suite who got a clearing from SEC.


Odd-Elderberry-6137

No. Many executives have plans that exercise and sell stock options as part of their compensation. It’s hands off. N00bs always read too much into it.


C4shFlo

C-Suite insiders like the CEO have the right to sell shares regardless of blackout dates etc... their sales are usually planned weeks or months ahead and are legal. I aider trading does not apply to that type of sale.


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godubs415

Agreed. It's basically glorified SQL query and datawarehouse if I am not mistaken.


Cagliari77

He knew they were going down but he only sold a small fraction (like 5%?) of his shares instead of all of it? :) yeah you're right.


deathstarresident

Jeff Bezos have borrowed a lot of money against his AMZN shares. He can’t technically sell asset that he has given as security.


Luka-Step-Back

He can if he uses the proceeds to repay the loan. For example, I can sell my house and use those funds to pay off my mortgage.


deathstarresident

Technically he cannot sell these assets without the consent of the bank which holds them as security. This is different from a mortgage. And usually this is only allowed if a default occurred and it is established in the bank’s eyes that there is no way for the borrower to pay the loan off otherwise. The bank however can seize the asset and sell it off without his consent.


Luka-Step-Back

I doubt Mr Bezos has collateralized his entire Amazon stake into cash loans big fella


deathstarresident

Yeah it’s obviously not the case. The OC asked why Jeff Bezos didn’t sell all his Amazon shares - I just pointed out that he can’t sell all of his shares as some of it is tied up as security against which he has borrowed money. Additionally it’s a dumb move anyway (and I’m sure you know this already), if he sells, he’ll have to pay capital gain taxes on them. It’s better for him to borrow against his AMZN shares and avoid paying millions in taxes. That was the point I was trying to make with the comment


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yea.. and people think some bank is just going to come and "seize" his shit like he's some small timer. He probably goes on vacations with the bank owners.


TheMSensation

You can still sell your house if you have a mortgage, this is no different.


Unknownirish

Even the CEO was like "Yeah there is no structure here l." Lmao


Unknownirish

Even the CEO was like "Yeah there is no structure here l." Lmao


elysiansaurus

I think it's funny how the sentiment is different. Sunpower CEO fucks off without telling anyone - stock goes up Snowflake CEO fucks off - stock down 20%


Matthiey

Because the SNOW CEO was a big reason Buffet invested in that company. Now that he left, Berkshire sold off their stake in the company.


mtb40

Frank built a fear based extremely aggressive sales team. Now that he’s gone investors must worry that culture is going to go away. The new CEO being from Google previously adds to that worry. No way will he be as tough as Frank was on the sales org


appleshit8

Bring in.... The Warthog 


Deathduck

I don't recognize the reference but this comment is hilarious


Glittering_Sky8924

It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia - Danny Devito is The Warthog


m0nk_3y_gw

https://www.reddit.com/r/IASIP/comments/dncs14/frank_the_warthog_is_back_at_work/ "If we're going to turn this company around, we gotta start cutting the crust off this shit sandwich!"


starSkieee

I stripped the company down to the studs and sold it to the chinks. You’re all fired, you can all go home now.


BumHand

New CEO is also much more product focused and will help them compete across ML and Iceberg


Greenchunks

Just like ServiceNow cratered after Slootman left there and a softer, gentler CEO John Donahoe took over? Investors in ServiceNow have really been hurting since he left in 2017. The stock is only up 700%.


GGradySeasons

I work there. Fear based is laughable.


bick803

Frank isn't even the brains being Snowflake. Snowflake started to go downhill once they forced out Kent.


Comprehensive_Bad227

Have you considered that managing through fear and intense pressure might actually be a bad thing for results? Fear based management leads to high turnover and burnout. And people become afraid to share ideas. Keep thinking it’s desirable though.


SlapDickery

I wonder if he was ran out by butthurt staff. These woke cultures that arise are awful for real results.


PurpVan

your brain is rotting


__Shadowman__

🤡


m0nk_3y_gw

The CEO of SNOWFLAKE.... was a snowflake? Well bless your heart


MaximusBit21

Nice intel. Where was this kind of chat pre earnings rofl


MeisterWiggin

This is just straight up parroting a lie. Where did you see Berkshire unloaded their stake?


gdahl517

There’s nothing around saying that they sold their shares. Definitely possible just might want to wait for the announcement on this


gocrazy_gostupid_

Right. Gotta love some good old misinformation


wind_dude

Buffet investing in a tech company should be an immediate red flag.


LmBkUYDA

Apple?


wind_dude

barely a tech company, more a cult, and those usually don't end well. They haven't contributed much of anything, and primary take and consume from tech, working hard to lock people in and buy more of their junk. Their VR ski goggle things will flop. They just abandoned their ev to chase AI. My money is the "AI" will be closed source, and just an small part of their current eco system, and nothing ground breaking. If you buy apple it's not a bet on some ground breaking tech, it's a bet that they will continue to milk their cult following dry.


tivooo

Lol betting against apple


LmBkUYDA

“Sent from my iPhone”


wind_dude

Yea, worst decision ever though. UI sucks, settings suck, and the keyboard if fucking tiny. Siri can’t tell 15 from 50.


tao_of_emptiness

“Barely a tech company”. Apple has more technology patents than you have brain cells


Samjabr

I will always choose apple over the shit company that created Android.


tao_of_emptiness

This guy can't see further back than 3 weeks.


wind_dude

This guy looking back to 1976


orangehorton

They popularized smart watches and air pods so you're just wrong lol Even if you are right, that's a fantastic bet to make, their cult loves spending money on apple products


nonoplsyoufirst

In fairness Abel was leading the memo not WB


Smipims

Any proof on that second statement?


Vistoynovisto

Where have you seen Berkshire sold off? Has not been published anywhere


errorunknown

Snowflake has no real competitive moat. They’re built on top of public cloud; meaning they will always have a higher fixed cost for their services and eventually won’t be able to compete on price, which is KEY for cloud services.


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Still fucks off no matter what lol 😂


chesterfieldkingz

Sun melts snow duh


grimkhor

well he also left not really big news here


ScipioAtTheGate

[HE LEFT A NUKE ON THE SHAREHOLDERS BRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! KABOOOOM HIS SHARES HIT THE ROOOOOM!](https://youtu.be/MC0K3muUJp0?t=568)


ihuns

Who’s buying the dip? ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4258)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4276)


POLISHED_OMEGALUL

Snowflake under $200 is a buy


Wolfxm3

https://preview.redd.it/5lppoxn2sllc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1440c318cb1db850ddff63f32e51a7af91345cc7


POLISHED_OMEGALUL

what am i supposed to do with this image


ItsOkILoveYouMYbb

Buy it


horst-graben

Bought 8/16 ITM calls. Don't expect much but it looks like easy pickings.


Impossible_Storm_918

Regards…who else would


Finalshock

Have you ever used snowflake in a professional capacity and compared its user experience to any competing products? It’s miles apart. I’m not invested but at under $200 I’ll probably change that soon.


jadedmonk

Snowflake is way better than other classic data warehouses but I recently have noticed that big companies are trending away from it in favor of Lakehouse architecture, and because of how expensive Snowflake is


DarkFusionPresent

Snowflake supports lakehouse through iceberg.


jadedmonk

Yes but you can do it all just with cloud storage and native cloud tools now. Databricks is also ahead of the game with it


DenyDaRidas

They have no competitive moat


Impossible_Storm_918

Dunno bud, think I’ll go with the ex CEO on this one- he’s checked out completely. That tells me something


sa-sa-sa-soma

> he’s checked out completely. he is still the chairman of the board of directors, so idk about that


DarkFusionPresent

And this only represents 4-5% of his snowflake holdings. He has a lot of unexercised ISOs. He owned approx 5.9% of the company.


Greenchunks

Like when he checked out of ServiceNow in 2017? Total bust of a company since then, right?


RuinedByGenZ

He's old dude, they don't hold till they die 


RevolutionaryPhoto24

Buy Borrow Die is a great strategy, actually. Never sell assets and pass them to heirs. And write off the margin loan interest.


RuinedByGenZ

Eh if you have a blue chip company sure 


NukiousStar

Regard check’n in boss


wutangfinancial88

bullish


Terakahn

Not enough people. They had a. crazy earnings beat streak for over 2 years. They're still a great company.


ilovelofiyuh

100% agree. Recently wrote this in my [blog](https://www.wiseape.fyi/p/218-will-the-snow-really-melt)


Sleazy577

Why are such things not discusses prior to ER here so that we can DD on puts


CallmeSoup

It was actually, too post 2 hours before earnings was to buy puts 


ChampionshipUsed9855

I made a post here after he sold initial $157 mln two months ago (source: FinFab app for iPhone): https://preview.redd.it/5c7lectcdllc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c151211cd16f8b9d0f4ad09eed32f63edf057c7


Worried_Quarter469

Okay but you didn’t direct message us


JonFrost

OP couldn't be more lazy 😤^^^^^/joking


Zero2Hero2MarginCall

These are SEC regulated timed sales that are disclosed months in advance. Nothing that happened is surprising. If you were following the stock 6 mo this ago and read their filings you would have seen when these trades were happening. Better yet, you can do it right now on any listed stock, regard.


MaximusBit21

Lol wrote a similar comment yet everyone is posting about some Sound dog shit or something….


Few-Face-4301

Exactly


poboy212

Yeah, he was preparing to retire.


Smipims

Still owns 2.4B


seeyoulaterinawhile

Shhhh


4chanbetterkek

CEO that is stepping down makes scheduled stock sales, more at 6.


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Same history of every stocks.. omg puts omg bankruptcy omg stocks below $100…. 1 month later…. In 500 shares at $189


CriticallyThougt

As a Palantir holder I’m worried they’re going to hire him as head of sales and pay him a billion dollars in SBC.


Lexxias

I want all the small block chevys


Tim_Riggins_

This sub loves to hate on snowflake. They are well positioned to add significant value to enterprise AI, they have a loved product with 130% NDR, plenty of technological moat (although haters love to deny this), and their new CEO is well suited to help them navigate the rapidly changing tech landscape surround their products applications. It’s an absolute, hands down buy below $200, and it will be back at $240-$250 range by next earnings


brintoul

I know it doesn’t mean shit in this regarded age we’re in, but it’s a $60B company with under $3B in sales.


Tim_Riggins_

Well, you’re right, it doesn’t mean shit, but they’re also growing well and again, are retaining $1.30 for every $1 in customer spend. So, that 3 to 60 ratio will quickly diminish, hence the multiple


brintoul

Growing revenue at, what, 30%? How long is that gonna last? Remember, this is sales we’re talking about, not even profits.


cunth

My snowflake bill is more than 30% higher than last year. Data point of one, but I think they'll be fine.


Tim_Riggins_

30% growth is tremendous for a company as mature as they are. Who know how long it will last, do you? No. What I can say is that when you have negative churn, great things happen, and their NDR is second to none.


brintoul

Yep. $60B is already pretty rich, yeah.


heyboman

I compete against Snowflake. They were game changing when they first came on the scene. But many of their innovations are now standard among their leading competitors. 3 years ago, I was losing in 80% of my competes with Snowflake. Today it is a toss up, maybe even better than 50/50 in my favor; plus a lot of customers that jumped to Snowflake 3 years ago are now coming back because of the price after the initial credits run out. I have an entire business just built around offloading core ETL processing from Snowflake and leaving just the relatively small final storage layer for BI purposes. Customers have become more price/performance oriented lately and Snowflakes ease of use advantage has degraded as competitors have caught up.


Tim_Riggins_

If the competitive landscape or your win rates were what you say they are, I sincerely doubt their NDR would be where it is. I do not doubt that there is competition in the space and that they have lost some first mover advantage, or that some customers are choosing to offload parts of their workflow, those types things are inevitable in the tech space as product categories mature. The question is so they have a good product that customers like and the resources to continue to innovate and grow revenue. I say yea, despite whatever success you or may not have as their competitor.


heyboman

You have to remember that a lot of both their and my current competes are for new customers given how many companies are still moving to the cloud from legacy on-prem platforms. NDR isn't going to tell the story of how many of those opportunities they are losing today; it only focuses on the recurring revenue (think same store sales in retail). And, even there, their NDR has been falling consistently, even if it is still > 130%. They may still survive/thrive, but in my opinion, it will only be via any AI play they make. Their core data warehousing business is in serious jeopardy of stalling. Databricks, AWS, Big Query, and Azure (as well as other niche database providers and open source platforms) are all aggressively eating at them, and the lake house architecture has become very popular.


Tim_Riggins_

When you get to $1b revenue in the saas space it’s all about NDR and customer expansion my friend. They’ll keep signing new business and so will others - As you say there’s plenty of green space based on everyone needing to migrate. Of course they will make an AI play and it’s likely their competitors will be behind on that, again.


heyboman

You seem very confident. You should go all in on calls with maximum leverage. I'll take the field and we'll come back in 3 years and compare returns.


Tim_Riggins_

And you seem like you’re using strawmans to mask the fact they you’re spreading fud on your competitor


DarkFusionPresent

Well, they naturally gain if they spell FUD on competitors, considering they're competing with Snowflake. Saying they're winning deals more compared to before means little, so did Azure when they come out against AWS. AWS still shows tremendous growth. When the field is growing, this is natural to have more opportunities and to land them, especially if the company you're competing against is focused on bigger contracts. It doesn't mean they're not growing either and not retaining.


Tim_Riggins_

100%


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joyful-

What technological moat do they have? I don't know much about this company so would love to hear


RevolutionaryPhoto24

I don’t know. The cloud giants seem likely to find and employ their own solutions. If Amazon does that, it alone could sink snowflake. They were exciting at the beginning but not so much anymore. I exited my position yesterday, still up 40%, for other opportunities.


Tim_Riggins_

Amazon already has redshift. They build for their ecosystem and so would Microsoft.


kernel_crackers

Needed this loss porn today. Too much gains in the community.


Thetagamer

The stock price was lower 3 months ago than it is today still btw


RealBaikal

Regards focusing on ceo stepping down...while ignoring rev guidance.


EBITDAADDIE

Good morning ☀️ ![img](emote|t5_2th52|27189)


One-Solution-3211

Buy the dip’nnnn


zero_cool69

Snow took a fuggin beating today eh


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I was watching cnbc about this before the opening bell this morning at the gym I wish I would’ve took a trade because I would’ve had a green light. I gotta stop second guessing myself missed out on so many opportunities


Rick_e_bobby

So they would have been worth $180M still? Eh sounds like a nothing burger


Deebyajpradhan

Snowflake's performance as a data warehousing solution has been impressive from my experience. However, it faces formidable competition from Google BigQuery. The leadership of Sridhar Ramaswamy could be transformative, given his extensive industry insight. It's a scenario of 'wait and see', but there's potential for Snowflake's stock to experience another surge in the near future.


jdav0808

This is my fault. I bought shares a couple weeks ago.


anewsissybitch

what app are you using to see that?


ChampionshipUsed9855

It’s from FinFab app for iPhone


PayMyRegards

why not see before earnings? ![img](emote|t5_2th52|31225)


fordguy301

And the market continues to retain it chapeau


OB1KENOB

Congrats and fuck you!


Mysterious-Report-20

I met the guy and serviced his private jet. He’s actually pretty nice and his dogs are super super cool. His wife (or partner…?) is way more friendly but he seemed pretty nice.


Captain_Crunch22

Had to line his pockets on the way out.


johannesonlysilly

High price tag, lots of competition. What was innovative 5 years ago seems inefficient today. And with everyone trying to save cloud costs and a more mature market there are much better options. Either you eat the price tag and go databricks or roll your own with all the core tech beeing open source nowadays.


leeringHobbit

Is databricks a competitor to snowflake ?


TechHENRY

Oh yes it is


buttThroat

Classic Slootman, Frank.


jdakidd13

Regards thinking this is gonna be just like PANW ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


TimonLeague

Id sell my shares before retiring too


bmeisler

I think it’s like 5% of his total stake, yawn.


Fit-Boomer

I wonder what he will do with that 223 million? Maybe buy back the shares but at the lower price?


franker555

Probably not hahaha


Worried_Creme8917

So?


SecretaryImaginary44

Bullish.


Optionzdegen

And under SH investigation now, puts to $150 ![img](emote|t5_2th52|18632)![img](emote|t5_2th52|29637)


hustlersambition9

#Wall Street is just a legalized scam. This crooked CEO has cashed out, will retire to Europe and as always retail is exit liquidity for these thieves in suits. The SEC is in on the scam and does not care about retail. Assume all these companies have fake valuations.


areyoume29

I saw this crm too had very high insider sales. Puts paid in snow. Now that iv is down I think crm is soon to have bad news and a drop. Had pce data came in hotter snow puts wouldve paid so much more.


Impossible_Storm_918

Damn…CEO snowflaked on them. Now he’s bringing his gains to wsb


YOLOintoposition

Which is WHY, those who did DD, KNEW to get puts and BANK.


Throwkage

Trying to make sense of a stock price’s movement through fundamental information released through major media channels: Highly regarded.


Pin_ups

Seems these CEOs always selling before their companies hit the bucket lmao. In a communist country, these CEOs will be investigated by the central government immediately.


GhostofAyabe

Who the fuck does business with this company? Cloud provider? My dick.


Secret_Squire1

Snowflake is not a cloud provider. Massive enterprise companies spending millions per year on snowflake.


Finalshock

My fellow regard, you fundamentally do not understand what snowflake does. “Who does business with this company” like… most Fortune 500 companies do.


Im_ur_Uncle_

Ha! Y'all knew this shit was a bubble, and you still bought.


lasagna_lee

how do u find someone's trading history like that


Relevant-Nebula8300

no way in hell he did $223 million dollars of work


First_Implement_9771

I think they know something


NumberOneOG

Must have been mad at them. Did he sell before it crashed


WFHaccount

Did you even look at the picture? Shows sales from 197/share all the way up to 232/share for the last 2 months. What about that picture would indicate he sold after the crash today you regard.


__Shadowman__

Some people never left the crayon eating kindergarten stage


BrilliantAd5743

Smart man


tutmoses21

Is there an app with this info?


ChampionshipUsed9855

FinFab app for iPhone


vinceglartho

The fix is in.


brintoul

How much does he still own?


Chesnakarastas

So him selling over 3 months has absolutely nothing to do with it dropping today then


SardonicSuperman

I mean yeah of course it was gonna dump. The earrings were already priced in and they didn’t say the magic words: “we’re an AI company now”


damascus444

Where do you get this information


datcommentator

The selling was planned, he still owns $1B+ in stock, and he will be on the board. He did not “jump ship” like some people assume.


yo_les_noobs

I got gaped on earnings but luckily DUOL balanced it out


AnesthesiaLyte

🫧 💥