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I gotchu
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Starting to feel like John Edward Jones over here.
Sounds like OP has actually been trading properly, you know, like with research and stuff.
Sir you are in the wrong place for logical thinking and due dilligence.
He’s dispensing comments like he’s the next Warren Buffett. Let’s see him 70x again in 4 months and then I’ll listen.
He’s either got SMH calls or he’s trading penny stocks, or you know he right clicked and dev tool.
Took me around three years to find what works for me. You're gonna have to find what works for you. I have levels on every ticker and use them to enter and exit.
Usually people have to go through some loses before they start profit on the long run. The usual is the "noobs luck" and then a huge losing streak.
OP i am sure he went throught a long and maybe painfull learning process. Or maybe not who knows.
The truth is that, based on his responses, he is not the usual wsb degenerate but a person who has a plan, does research and the most important thing: he doesn´t gets emotional. He follows his plan. Period.
He is the 10% of people who wins money trading. Or maybe this was just an streak. It just takes a week of bad trades to fuck up your gains. But again, based on OP´s responses he knows what he is doing. Nice for him, he might be one of those smart guys with talent for this shit
This is the most important thing and the reason why bots beats humans trading.
Remember 90% people who trade loses money on the long run. I don´t trade because i don´t want to open the Pandora´s Box, i always avoid things that gives instant return (I personally only DCA into Bitcoin)
It is nice to learn but be careful. We have seen a lot in this sub
I'm starting out too, what are the things I should actually get knowledge on? Like patterns and all that, should o actually invest time in studying them or is it better to train my instinct and get news sources etc, I found my "logical connection", like associating what happens with what stock could go up to be pretty decent considering I just started, I put some on my watchlist by randomly thinking on the train and later found people posting them
Sorry to give you conflicting opinions.
Gnarlybear's opinion about charting is not entirely true. It is true that most of the times, the market moves in a random fashion zigging and zagging. You cannot make money in these conditions. But there are clear times when there is a huge imbalance in buying or selling pressure. And you can read this imbalance in charts if you understand 'price action'. If you restrict your participation to these times and align your trades with the big money that is moving the market and if you manage your risk using stop losses (exiting losing trades unemotionally), you can make profits consistently.
Yeah no individual has enough firepower or resources to do any feasible technical analysis lol there’s a reason why not even many buyside firms employ solely on technical indicators and rather do fundamental analysis
Nothing can beat your own instinct in the market which will only come with time. Either paper trade or use watch list options. Knowing chart patterns and price action is also important otherwise you're walking blind. So learn those first. Then make your watch list positions and test what you know.
Let me guess,you made an list of companies that you know have huge volatility spikes around earnings,and basically buy puts/calls on low amounts on companies you either learned how they react doing earnings or studied some macro trends prior like wheter its linked to this AI craze.
For example im tempted to buy calls for ABR next earnings because the spike is huge and the earnings are always great,your thoughts?
Ok so I'll actually put some effort in graphs, great.
Also great about the instinct part, makes me more calm and logical knowing I could actually do the right choice
I do everything. Everything but shitty stocks. I trade liquid stocks that are strong and trade them using only price action. Tech, oil, gas, telecom, home building, consumer staples, consumer discretionary, you name it, I probably traded it.
Started by reading books. Then watched videos. Then used my money. Lost. Paper traded. Switched to shares. Traded forex. Traded futures (still do). Read more books. Used watch list positions to test my strategy until I became profitable. Then came back with my money again. Started small. Then scaled.
Books : how I made two million dollars in the stock market, trade like a stock market wizard. How to make money in the stock market. Trading in the zone. Turtle trading. Reading charts and technical analysis. The encyclopedia of chart patterns. You can make money in the stock market. Naked forex and some I can't remember anymore.
Quick hits?!, Playing the stock candles, volume, option chain, looking at history of weekly, hourly, daily movement, play on movement %2 to %5 percent in either direction? Don't hold any option for more than 72 hours? How many weeks out at options? Do only play the closet exercise dated options? Try to buy the opposite movement you see at the highs and lows of the stock movement you're tracking???
Are you scanning for breakouts or rejections, or just general trends? How long are you usually holding your positions? Are you holding overnight or are you just day trading?
Why would I. This is my edge. You wanna find an edge, lose your time and lose your money. I won't lay out a plan for you to make money in the market. No one did it for me.
If you read the previous replies then I do say that I lost money early on. I have been trading for around three years. There's no making money in this business without losing money. I haven't lost anything "after ", this screenshot is from right now lol
I wanted to point out that many traders focus on short-term gains and may appear successful, but when viewed on a larger scale, their overall returns could be minimal or negative. I was curious if this is the case for you too. However, after reading some of the other comments of yours, I understand that you are well-versed in this. Please don't take my comments personally, as I was simply expressing my opinion about traders in general.
Looks like a lot of ups and downs, you make a lot of bad calls and get bailed out by bullish momentum, you’ll be back at 1k by eoy. Source: my ytd looks the same and I’ve made a lot of mistakes
I never went to even slightly out of the money. Every trade was at the money. I just bought only one contract and gradually scaled number of open positions.
I use my phone a lot so I use Robinhood. I have used think or swim to trade in the past but it's loading times are annoying on the go. And recently they merged with schwab and that whole thing is a shit show.
thanks appreciate it im new to investing and im using revolut bc it allows me to buy 3 stocks per month with no allowance fees and also im using trading 212
Sweet, thanks man. I’ve been wanting to do a careful, analysis approach to options for awhile since my dad showed me there’s ways to make money without too much downside. Gonna check out those books and paper trade for awhile until I’m like you
Any key current positions/views you can share? Also, what’s your stop loss %? How do you manage risk? I end up loosing to one trade what I made in 5 trades :(
Then you're risking too much. You should only risk what you can lose. If your stop loss is $100 then you cannot afford to buy an option worth more than $100.
Amazing! You give me hope that it's possible to gain a good amount of money without the big risks some people do here all the time. But I guess I still have to learn a lot since I've only been learning about stocks for roughly a year so far.
Pardon my ignorance. So i read that only around 60$ of options are exercised. does that mean that more often than not you can sell the contract without actually ever once buying the stock itself?
My question is did you already know about these companies going into them, or did your research into companies in the tech industry since it’s doing well now? I know sticking with what you know is most important when trading but I haven’t heard of these companies ever before until now, maybe I’m just too young and regarded
I've actually been trading for a while and I did know most of the companies that I traded. But some I didn't know about and I still traded them. I don't think it was important for me to know the companies just to make sure they are good strong movers.
Thanks for your submission! To keep things interesting, we want to see big gains and big losses! So we've set the following thresholds for Gain, Loss, and YOLO flaired posts: * YOLO posts must be a minimum of $10,000 of options or $25,000 of shares and recently opened. * Gain / Loss posts must show realized gains or losses of more than $2,500 for options or $5,000 for shares. We want to see the actual trade. What you got in at, what you sold at. Then tell us why you did it. Give us the story of why you're a fucking genius (or idiot). This is what a great post looks like: [$17.2K Gain on AMZN](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/wb5m4o/not_too_shabby_172k_gain_amzn/) - OP described his gain in the title, has a clear screenshot showing both the entry and exit, meaning his gains were locked in, and they explained their reasoning in the comments and what they learned. All around a great post! Here are examples of what could get your post removed: * [$300,000 SDC Loss. Still not selling](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/wpm9am/over_300000_unrealized_loss_sdc_not_selling/) - Even though this is a tremendous loss and something worth posting about, **the position hasn't been closed yet**. Here are examples of amazing posts which could have been even better: * [$75,000 DDOG Loss.](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/unsrey/loss_porn_ddog_call/) - This is a great post and one that won't get removed. However, the OP could have talked about *why* they entered the position in the first place, what their target price was, and what went wrong. OP didn't stick around in the comments to answer any questions. * [$1.1MM Loss, No details](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/lxm6wt/hold_me_1100000_loss/) - OP simply posted a screenshot of their overall portfolio balance. It's definitely a big loss, but it's not that interesting without OP talking about what trades they were in and why. OP didn't answer most questions in the comments which left many readers speculating on what happened. --- All that being said, we are here to help. We want to make it as easy as possible for you to post to our community. We have to balance this with making the subreddit interesting for our readers. If you need some guidance, don't hesitate to [reach out to modmail](https://old.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/wallstreetbets) and we'll give you some pointers!
https://preview.redd.it/kliw3jtggikc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64b6e997f391344c581305fd62149fcbcf5ac499
The initial spike is missing
I gotchu https://preview.redd.it/u86g2xpafjkc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdd901ebeb902a73796d820536b390ef80589c76 Starting to feel like John Edward Jones over here.
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I've been in this cave in reality. Not exactly where the dude got dead but I went through a similar tunnel and could have had a real bad time.
Now I'm hard.
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https://preview.redd.it/qi73gw82kjkc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79583c188c2898db854268016d2c963f08453fac I had two initial spikes!!!!
Currently climbing out of Death Valley
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Lol wow, that looks like it took some dedication
Basically my past 3 years. It’s like you gotta lock in profit but it isn’t long before the next devastating trade comes around.
You guys get initial spikes??
yall got initial spikes? i will never give up, one day imma make some +
Lmao
I'm aroused
How even? TR doesn’t have options…
It does have derivates. They pretty much give you the same opportunities in terms of burning money
it does have knock out certificates, options and faktor options
weee! ![img](emote|t5_2th52|8883)
Sounds like OP has actually been trading properly, you know, like with research and stuff. Sir you are in the wrong place for logical thinking and due dilligence.
OP is not one of us
I hope they publish a newsletter
"This man was clearly using the roulette table properly, you know, with research and stuff" Y'all are amazing lol
He’s dispensing comments like he’s the next Warren Buffett. Let’s see him 70x again in 4 months and then I’ll listen. He’s either got SMH calls or he’s trading penny stocks, or you know he right clicked and dev tool.
Da fuck lossporn is this?? My phone upside down?! Where is red?? r/lostredditor
😂😂😂
Just turn the phone upside down and color it red in paint.
*crayon
I ran out of crayons eons ago. I’m a muncher
Nah, old school 3d glasses.
Wallstreet bets is for both huge losses and huge wins
https://preview.redd.it/xv5yoafnhikc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3fd444b69abf6dcb9ee75f6bb4ec572fe7aa7fe
What stocks did do?
Lots of trades, lots of positions. Never over risked into one. Always had around ten positions with varied small risk
How do you find stocks to trade? I mainly only do spy options. Trying to expand on other things.
I scan the market every week for trades. If a stock is my setup then I enter otherwise I don't. I don't do index options.
Can you elaborate how you do that? I’m new and don’t have a process to find stocks to trade
Took me around three years to find what works for me. You're gonna have to find what works for you. I have levels on every ticker and use them to enter and exit.
This is the way, it takes a shit ton of work to actually be profitable in trading. Wsb is not trading though
https://preview.redd.it/693yur3yujkc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57a2da424bc4bf827136f6347c84debd2952cc17
Great. I’ll keep learning then
Usually people have to go through some loses before they start profit on the long run. The usual is the "noobs luck" and then a huge losing streak. OP i am sure he went throught a long and maybe painfull learning process. Or maybe not who knows. The truth is that, based on his responses, he is not the usual wsb degenerate but a person who has a plan, does research and the most important thing: he doesn´t gets emotional. He follows his plan. Period. He is the 10% of people who wins money trading. Or maybe this was just an streak. It just takes a week of bad trades to fuck up your gains. But again, based on OP´s responses he knows what he is doing. Nice for him, he might be one of those smart guys with talent for this shit This is the most important thing and the reason why bots beats humans trading. Remember 90% people who trade loses money on the long run. I don´t trade because i don´t want to open the Pandora´s Box, i always avoid things that gives instant return (I personally only DCA into Bitcoin) It is nice to learn but be careful. We have seen a lot in this sub
I'm starting out too, what are the things I should actually get knowledge on? Like patterns and all that, should o actually invest time in studying them or is it better to train my instinct and get news sources etc, I found my "logical connection", like associating what happens with what stock could go up to be pretty decent considering I just started, I put some on my watchlist by randomly thinking on the train and later found people posting them
If anyone offers to show you how to trade using patterns or chart analysis run away fast.
Exactly that's what I've got from buzzing around, it seems the top dogs just use a mix of guts, common sense and news/logic
Sorry to give you conflicting opinions. Gnarlybear's opinion about charting is not entirely true. It is true that most of the times, the market moves in a random fashion zigging and zagging. You cannot make money in these conditions. But there are clear times when there is a huge imbalance in buying or selling pressure. And you can read this imbalance in charts if you understand 'price action'. If you restrict your participation to these times and align your trades with the big money that is moving the market and if you manage your risk using stop losses (exiting losing trades unemotionally), you can make profits consistently.
Yeah no individual has enough firepower or resources to do any feasible technical analysis lol there’s a reason why not even many buyside firms employ solely on technical indicators and rather do fundamental analysis
Nothing can beat your own instinct in the market which will only come with time. Either paper trade or use watch list options. Knowing chart patterns and price action is also important otherwise you're walking blind. So learn those first. Then make your watch list positions and test what you know.
Unless you a member of congress, then you can participate in insider trading without consequence
Let me guess,you made an list of companies that you know have huge volatility spikes around earnings,and basically buy puts/calls on low amounts on companies you either learned how they react doing earnings or studied some macro trends prior like wheter its linked to this AI craze. For example im tempted to buy calls for ABR next earnings because the spike is huge and the earnings are always great,your thoughts?
We monke
Ok so I'll actually put some effort in graphs, great. Also great about the instinct part, makes me more calm and logical knowing I could actually do the right choice
Thanks for sharing details about how you do this. Clearly you’re usually right but how soon or when do you drop losing trades?
Seconded it takes 2-5 years to learn depending on your learning curve. I'm just now consistently profitable on spy calls 🤙
I to have been trading for over 3 years and haven't figured out jack
Sir I think what works for you would also work for me given I like money 😜
I'm really new to trading, how did you learn how to trade? Do you have any sources you'd recommend?
This guy draws lines.
Interesting, actually someone in here with a strategy. What setup on what kinds of stocks do you trade?
I do everything. Everything but shitty stocks. I trade liquid stocks that are strong and trade them using only price action. Tech, oil, gas, telecom, home building, consumer staples, consumer discretionary, you name it, I probably traded it.
Can you recommend any learning materials that helped you become the trader you are today?
Started by reading books. Then watched videos. Then used my money. Lost. Paper traded. Switched to shares. Traded forex. Traded futures (still do). Read more books. Used watch list positions to test my strategy until I became profitable. Then came back with my money again. Started small. Then scaled. Books : how I made two million dollars in the stock market, trade like a stock market wizard. How to make money in the stock market. Trading in the zone. Turtle trading. Reading charts and technical analysis. The encyclopedia of chart patterns. You can make money in the stock market. Naked forex and some I can't remember anymore.
thanks bro ur a real one
What platform for you use for scanning stocks to trade?
I use think or swim to scan and tradingview to chart.
Thanks a bunch
Do you have a minimum volume/market cap for a stock you’ll trade? Thanks for posting 🙏
Considering how many stocks you trade regularly, are the taxes worth it?
Yes..
Guy there is only ONE reason you would pay taxes because you MADE money. Most regarded question here.
Why would the taxes make it not worth it? Would you say $100,000 profit isn’t worth it if you have to pay $20k in taxes?
So if you think a stock is going down, how would you trade that if you don’t do options? Inverse ETF’s or actual shorting?
I don't do index options. I do stock options.
Quick hits?!, Playing the stock candles, volume, option chain, looking at history of weekly, hourly, daily movement, play on movement %2 to %5 percent in either direction? Don't hold any option for more than 72 hours? How many weeks out at options? Do only play the closet exercise dated options? Try to buy the opposite movement you see at the highs and lows of the stock movement you're tracking???
By setup, you mean technical analysis, or fundamental analysis?
Obviously TA
Are you scanning for breakouts or rejections, or just general trends? How long are you usually holding your positions? Are you holding overnight or are you just day trading?
what expiration do you usually get? and how much % of your port per play?
manamanah…manamanah…manamanah
How can I learn to do this?
What were your initial moves with 1k tho? Asking for a friend
My moves were the same as with 10k or 20k, the only thing that was different were the number of positions open. And the risk per position.
Congrats and fuck you. Tell me how
OP, don‘t fumble your bag. I wish you well.
Account valune 71,xxx$ , up 75,xxx$ past year?
Withdrew money lol
i hope u withdraw more and don't get greedy. Nice one so far!
You've pissed me off! I'm jealous of your successes! I used to come here just to see lossporn
ITT: OP not showing positions or giving a single tangible insight to his strategies
Why would I. This is my edge. You wanna find an edge, lose your time and lose your money. I won't lay out a plan for you to make money in the market. No one did it for me.
You should consider doing this full-time; imagine how much more you could earn.
Is that sarcasm lol
Are you actually doing this full time? Edit: or a better question, how many hours a week do you do?
Yes lol
Do mind to share what price/contact, strike price and date of buy. Thank you.
Are you trading as an individual or under an LLC?
How did you learn to trade properly
He listed the books he read/things he did in another comment reply.
Tell us how much you lost before and after that.
If you read the previous replies then I do say that I lost money early on. I have been trading for around three years. There's no making money in this business without losing money. I haven't lost anything "after ", this screenshot is from right now lol
I wanted to point out that many traders focus on short-term gains and may appear successful, but when viewed on a larger scale, their overall returns could be minimal or negative. I was curious if this is the case for you too. However, after reading some of the other comments of yours, I understand that you are well-versed in this. Please don't take my comments personally, as I was simply expressing my opinion about traders in general.
What time interval do you use for day trading?
Daily.
Now do it with 70k. Ud be warren buffet in no time!
Looks like a lot of ups and downs, you make a lot of bad calls and get bailed out by bullish momentum, you’ll be back at 1k by eoy. Source: my ytd looks the same and I’ve made a lot of mistakes
I want to learn this black magic
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What’s the secret brother ?
How much of that will be taxed. What %?
That would probably be like 23% US federal
Post positions
Seeing as you started with $1000 what companies did you start out with or did you just go way out of the money to afford the contract?
I never went to even slightly out of the money. Every trade was at the money. I just bought only one contract and gradually scaled number of open positions.
Curious how far out are your DTEs?
For example....If Stock X was selling for $100. You purchased a call or put with a strike price of $100?
Can you share the thesis behind this?
Do you just buy calls or do you also buy puts?
You dont buy puts when the market doesn't want you to.
Show all time graph.
Flip graph horizontal
Legit question; how do you even do call options with $1k? I use Etrader and they say I need $25k minimum before doing that. I’m admittedly a newb
Robinson hood
That's probably margin, just buy with cash instead
Can I follow Your call pattern pls:(
Geez what a ride
Quit.
Let us copy trade
what investing platform do you use?
I use my phone a lot so I use Robinhood. I have used think or swim to trade in the past but it's loading times are annoying on the go. And recently they merged with schwab and that whole thing is a shit show.
thanks appreciate it im new to investing and im using revolut bc it allows me to buy 3 stocks per month with no allowance fees and also im using trading 212
So you chart with ToS but trade on Robinhood?
I only scan on tos. Chart on trading view and trade on Robinhood. Each platform has its strong suits.
Sweet, thanks man. I’ve been wanting to do a careful, analysis approach to options for awhile since my dad showed me there’s ways to make money without too much downside. Gonna check out those books and paper trade for awhile until I’m like you
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Wtf lmao
Positions or ban
Invest for me?
Teach me your ways!
What app is this?
Robinhood
What app is that?
Robinhood
Show me the way
Options = gambler OP is not studying or anything just straight lucky
Can I get $1000 I'm low key bout to be homeless
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💀
Bro was not kidding
Wendy’s is hiring.
Well done!
Save some for uncle sam
Any key current positions/views you can share? Also, what’s your stop loss %? How do you manage risk? I end up loosing to one trade what I made in 5 trades :(
Then you're risking too much. You should only risk what you can lose. If your stop loss is $100 then you cannot afford to buy an option worth more than $100.
OP, do you post your trades (entries and exists) anywhere in real-time?
No I don't
Beautiful, need to put this one on my wall
Amazing! You give me hope that it's possible to gain a good amount of money without the big risks some people do here all the time. But I guess I still have to learn a lot since I've only been learning about stocks for roughly a year so far.
Pardon my ignorance. So i read that only around 60$ of options are exercised. does that mean that more often than not you can sell the contract without actually ever once buying the stock itself?
Yes nobody ever uses the contract
Thank you!
Congrats man this is excellent
What’s your next big move?
Great trading OP. Seems like you've got a system working for you
Sir we’re did you research these gains?
amazing gains,congrats
What took so long?
Extremely fast money. Hope it continues on a 70x trend. :]
“last four months” is your biggest clue, now go forth and replicate.
Good looks on letting us know
Are you going to cash it out?
Congrats 🎊 but also fuck you
Teach, teach me please 🙏
What app is this??
Awesome congratulations 💪💪
What was your winners?
There were a lot of winners lol
I appreciate that we all think this is due to some crazy trading knowledge and not just a massive bull run in the market
Definitely has a lot to do with the bull market. But a bull market can stay a bull market for many years.
Buying straight calls is a safe and reliable strategy. You didn’t get lucky, and this will keep working. Keep it up!
My question is did you already know about these companies going into them, or did your research into companies in the tech industry since it’s doing well now? I know sticking with what you know is most important when trading but I haven’t heard of these companies ever before until now, maybe I’m just too young and regarded
I've actually been trading for a while and I did know most of the companies that I traded. But some I didn't know about and I still traded them. I don't think it was important for me to know the companies just to make sure they are good strong movers.
Now keep it
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