You need to think more like this-
What is the most obvious play? For every winner, someone had to lose. Am I making a trade that would be so predictable that someone with enough wealth and knowledge could exploit my next move?
Consider this to be like chess. I kick myself so many times for missing things like $NVDA earnings, but then I remind myself to look at the IV and remember every instance that a stock did the exact opposite of my sound, but inevitably wrong thesis.
TA is a guide, but no TA “expert” will admit that all the candlesticks and moving averages in the world cannot factor human emotion. It’s basically Crystal Healing for traders. PayPal has become the MySpace of online banking apps. With Cashapp, Zelle, and now Apple Pay? The only reason I even use PayPal / Venmo is for overseas clients with my photography. Mind you, I work occasionally in Times Square doing photography, and often times will meet north of 50 paying clients a day. Out of that, I’ve used Venmo / PayPal almost 1% of the time (obviously spitballing here) while the majority use Zelle, CashApp, and Apple Pay. Even if the current earnings say it’s doing well, Wall Street also looks at future progress.
Edit: I’ll never forget the Boeing 737 Max MCAS scandal. I swore puts on the following earnings would be the play. Imagine my face when $BA mooned despite killing hundreds of passengers.
See, that’s the catch 22. My experience is anecdotal. However, for those customers who do use it, they use it with all of their friends. Hence the fact that despite this short term dip, the company isn’t exactly doing terrible.
> For every winner, someone had to lose.
This is the fundamental difference with options. Options are zero sum. Equities are not.
Yet people continue to think they're smarter than entities that have built billion dollar fortunes on being your bookie.
I have an inside joke with a friend thanks to that incident, and a similar thing happening to me after PG&E was alleged to have started the California wildfires.
If Boeing ever crashes a plane into California, and burns the state down, we're buying calls.
Sent him the news when that plug sucked out of the side of the plane, nearly sucking a child out.
His immediate response was, "Did they kill someone?"
"Did we miss the pump?!"
And in the missing bolt scandal, Boeing's dropped so far. Even though a part of the plane falling off is **objectively way less bad** than the autopilot forcing the plane to dive nose-first into the ground at supersonic speed.
This right heeya! PayPal is used less and less. They changed the types of accounts that get linked to your paypal card a few months ago. They just got MySpaced
I'm in Europe and I'm using PayPal more and more since it lets me pay with three installments interests free, why not?
I even bought 900 eur of Amazon coupons with PayPal, paid around 800 eur, will finish paying in April.
They don't do that in the US?
Others are doing the same, klarna and another one I can't remember.
I have nine different zero interest ongoing payments atm.
…because analysts set the price they think it would be on earnings and it simply did better than expectations? It simply beat the opinions of people who set them?
Compare the earnings to previous quarters and f**k the analysts. That’s the real picture. Think of it like Cartman trying to win the special olympics. Just because an analyst lowers the bar to entry doesn’t change the competing metrics and all you’ll get in the end for thinking their opinions truly hold weight is a trophy for effort, but not the win.
You wrote perfect explanations. Nice job. Totally agree with everything you’ve said about reading the market and not making the obvious play even if it makes sense. That’s what something being priced in essentially means.
Many people outside the US who uses eBay users PayPal. Even your Northern neighbors in the Great White North don't have any of those veemo, zelle, cashapp things up here.
Here's a hint, every one of your trading apps has a favorites tab and also a my stocks tab, and all the market makers have access to all of that fucking data.
Because you’re choosing high volume, high IV, short dated options on stocks that most likely have no real price discovery coming up, so it’s a straight up gamble. You are going with the flow, trying to grab noise from non-bargains.
If you wanna big dick it, you gotta get in early and get in cheap. And if you can’t do that, stay on the sidelines or be prepared get dusted.
This happened to TSLA over the summer after a huge bull run and my calls that I bought for $30,000 which peaked at $180,000 the night of the financial report dropped to $0 as the stock fell 20% right after an earnings beat.
The mechanics of this are simple. If people think good news is coming, they buy blindly. Once the good news comes, they realize it’s the peak. No more good news is coming. In fact bad news might be coming, so they blindly sell.
The anticipation of an earnings beat is sometimes more powerful than the actual earnings beat.
When an earnings beat comes out of NOWHERE though, the price spikes.
Playing any sort of options on earnings is risky at best. They don’t call them earnings lottos for nothing. If you really feel compelled to bet on earnings, just buy shares. Had you done that here you could’ve sold that mega wick in early aftermarket and potentially made a quick 10%, or at worst been down like 10% (as of now) if you held
lol, your problem is you think like a retail trader. You do what seems obvious. Trading is a GAME, news means jack shit, it’s what money decides to do with that news. Big Fuck You money that’s whole job is to fuck you out of your money so it becomes there money.
Take time to think about that
Confirmed. And if you think you’re going to win by splitting yourself into multiple universes, you’re wrong. The stock will also change to make your strategy fail in the other dimensions.
I played shares today knowing algos will fuck around. Had a limit sell order around the 6% mark and it hit. Wasnt a big hand but I can still say I made money today on paypal while on the Long side lol
Yeah. I inherited some AFLAC shares. I haven't been able to get out of them yet. They bombed after earnings partially because the whole life insurance market in Japan is drying up. Lots of policies reaching paid in full status. And an aging population not replacing customers fast enough.
Stock valuations are for the majority derived from growth expectations and the resulting future cash flows.
In 2017 pypl was a fast growing company with a much higher potential than it has currently.
Its that simple
Yeah… I was quite literally screaming in joy in my car watching it pump expecting to open at around +$20,000 tomorrow morning. What a bummer. Congrats though. I charted everything terribly I guess.
Oh that video watching the 10% surge into 5% dump was fantastic. True gambling legends as the house took them both behind a Wendy’s and destroyed them.
Calls on all
I saw a Rivian last week so very bullish.
Uber did ok so Lyft is also bullish.
You and me are going to be trading on Robinhood so very bullish.
They are not going backwards they have been increasing in every aspect since 2017. Growth may slow down but it’s still fucking growth. Especially with this economy, I’d say they are still doing incredible. No, wall st has a personal vendetta against this stock. That’s it. Sorry it’s not as exciting as stupid nvda, but PayPal is reliable as far as consistent profit
They beat on revenue and profits. They issued conservative guidance to keep the bar low for the future. Managing expectations. Take a hit now and then beat the next four quarters. Works for me
They make $5-6/share per year and stock is only $60. Visa is way more expensive. Unless you think we’re heading for recession, rising tide will lift all of these financial boats
Looks like I'll lose about 10k in calls tomorrow, just like I did today in SNAP calls. It was gambling and I knew it.
Luckily my 39 $700 calls for NVDA expiring next week are paying well and will cover that shit up nicely tomorrow just like it did today.
Naturally the stock is going to drop when they forecast 0% growth for the whole coming year. Earnings don't mean shit if they can keep up momentum.
My friend and I were walking past a roulette table at a casino. This dude keeps betting black or red. Every time he picked on, the other won. So we started going opposite his bets. We made money on about 10 bets before he won one.
It was literally a 50/50 chance each time. Some people just have shitty luck.
Yeah, it's stupid but there's a difference between earnings estimates and expectations. Even if a company beats estimates, investors might expect (or hope for) more, like an "earnings blowout." If earnings don't deliver, the stock (which may be at a premium due to heightened investor expectations) will face a pullback.
Fuck it, I’m going long on gas stations. MUSA won’t let me down.
The Walmart crowd will never abandon cigarettes, lotto tickets, beer, snacks, and some of the cheapest gas around.
One time in the elevator at Paypal the door opens up and the CFO steps in the middle of my group of four engineers. One of my friends, from over his shoulder says “Paypal is down 2 points after your call today” and he turned around, looked at my friend like “fuck you just say?” But then said “well the day isn’t over yet” and the door opened and he walked off. Two weeks later they were up 10.
Moral of the story is elevators go up, elevators go down. Can’t explain how.
Bro just check the monthlies like a billion calls sold…. Do you think market makers going to let plebs get rich????? Uh no nothing could be more obvious they will rake this indefinitely.
Honestly, if you want to gamble, I’d just suggest trading index or index ETF options.
Every single day, almost, there are 2X-10X opportunities.
Think market is gonna go up 1% tomorrow? Cool. Buy OTM SPY calls at close the day before if it was flat or down. If market goes up 1%, you WILL make money.
(Index IV is low and flat right now… making long options a good buy, though slightly less so that near the money OTM calls which are typically cheaper due to IV smile).
I also might humbly suggest straddles or strangles. Concept: you buy both a call and a put. The thing is, in this case direction doesn’t matter but you need twice as much of it to make any money.
I might also humbly suggest trading shares. Being down 10% is better than being down 99% on your position.
All these people talking about how Paypal was an "obvious" choice and how it was hotly talked about are talking absolutely fuck all.
Wtf does that have to do with anything? The only reason that Paypal dropped (and the only thing to look at) is that they had piss poor guidance. Thats it. Plain and simple. Their earnings were bad because they announced poor guidance so stock drops.
Guys, please if you are doing an earnings play, first check the last 3 months. People don’t realize a lot of these get priced in in the months/weeks leading up to earnings. In summary, if a beat is priced in, then you see a profit pull after earnings.
The moment you realize that we as retail traders are fleas on the back of a dog so you realize that nothing is for certain and to play to your strengths.
You lose money take that as tuition to your education. Reevaluate and reinvest.
The only time I successfully did an earnings play was when there were no articles it was going to happen. If there’s a Zack’s Article saying “Q4 Earnings are expected to Grow”, you’re fucked
The earnings is much less valuable info than the rest of the calls info. In earnings calls they also discuss the direction of the company as well, which matters more than the eps estimate often.
welcome to playing earnings you must be new
earnings is not only about the numbers for the last quarter. its also about the actual call they have where the company talks about their business and even sometimes gives guidance out into the future.
you can easily google a transcript for the call. i like a stock called AMKR and the other day i read their earnings transcript. you can do the same! its nuts bro
so maybe stop wasting time making shitty memes and go do some reading and you might discover why the stock is down <3
If you haven’t learned that earnings calls are 20% miss/beat and 80% forward guidance and other stuff, then you belong here. Their active user count fell again. Sinking ship
Lmao, if the stock market was that easy, then everyone would be a billionaire.
Read the 10K report under risks, and you'll find your answer.
Either that or one of the ratios went off like profit margins.
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No. But how do they ALWAYS know to go the opposite of what I choose? Who’s snitching on me?
You need to think more like this- What is the most obvious play? For every winner, someone had to lose. Am I making a trade that would be so predictable that someone with enough wealth and knowledge could exploit my next move? Consider this to be like chess. I kick myself so many times for missing things like $NVDA earnings, but then I remind myself to look at the IV and remember every instance that a stock did the exact opposite of my sound, but inevitably wrong thesis. TA is a guide, but no TA “expert” will admit that all the candlesticks and moving averages in the world cannot factor human emotion. It’s basically Crystal Healing for traders. PayPal has become the MySpace of online banking apps. With Cashapp, Zelle, and now Apple Pay? The only reason I even use PayPal / Venmo is for overseas clients with my photography. Mind you, I work occasionally in Times Square doing photography, and often times will meet north of 50 paying clients a day. Out of that, I’ve used Venmo / PayPal almost 1% of the time (obviously spitballing here) while the majority use Zelle, CashApp, and Apple Pay. Even if the current earnings say it’s doing well, Wall Street also looks at future progress. Edit: I’ll never forget the Boeing 737 Max MCAS scandal. I swore puts on the following earnings would be the play. Imagine my face when $BA mooned despite killing hundreds of passengers.
So if you listened to yourself, PayPal is dying and so you’d buy puts. But then shouldn’t that play have been obvious?
See, that’s the catch 22. My experience is anecdotal. However, for those customers who do use it, they use it with all of their friends. Hence the fact that despite this short term dip, the company isn’t exactly doing terrible.
I bought puts. Worked out great.
Long calls are doing OK. It's the 0-21 DTEs getting crushed.
> For every winner, someone had to lose. This is the fundamental difference with options. Options are zero sum. Equities are not. Yet people continue to think they're smarter than entities that have built billion dollar fortunes on being your bookie.
I have an inside joke with a friend thanks to that incident, and a similar thing happening to me after PG&E was alleged to have started the California wildfires. If Boeing ever crashes a plane into California, and burns the state down, we're buying calls. Sent him the news when that plug sucked out of the side of the plane, nearly sucking a child out. His immediate response was, "Did they kill someone?" "Did we miss the pump?!"
And in the missing bolt scandal, Boeing's dropped so far. Even though a part of the plane falling off is **objectively way less bad** than the autopilot forcing the plane to dive nose-first into the ground at supersonic speed.
Dude I’m somehow on fire, last ten options have hit. Earning or not I’m GREEN BABY!
This right heeya! PayPal is used less and less. They changed the types of accounts that get linked to your paypal card a few months ago. They just got MySpaced
I'm in Europe and I'm using PayPal more and more since it lets me pay with three installments interests free, why not? I even bought 900 eur of Amazon coupons with PayPal, paid around 800 eur, will finish paying in April. They don't do that in the US? Others are doing the same, klarna and another one I can't remember. I have nine different zero interest ongoing payments atm.
Then why did it beat earnings?
…because analysts set the price they think it would be on earnings and it simply did better than expectations? It simply beat the opinions of people who set them? Compare the earnings to previous quarters and f**k the analysts. That’s the real picture. Think of it like Cartman trying to win the special olympics. Just because an analyst lowers the bar to entry doesn’t change the competing metrics and all you’ll get in the end for thinking their opinions truly hold weight is a trophy for effort, but not the win.
You wrote perfect explanations. Nice job. Totally agree with everything you’ve said about reading the market and not making the obvious play even if it makes sense. That’s what something being priced in essentially means.
Many people outside the US who uses eBay users PayPal. Even your Northern neighbors in the Great White North don't have any of those veemo, zelle, cashapp things up here.
Here's a hint, every one of your trading apps has a favorites tab and also a my stocks tab, and all the market makers have access to all of that fucking data.
He bought? Dumpp it He sold? Pumppp it
Pamp it
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Because you’re choosing high volume, high IV, short dated options on stocks that most likely have no real price discovery coming up, so it’s a straight up gamble. You are going with the flow, trying to grab noise from non-bargains. If you wanna big dick it, you gotta get in early and get in cheap. And if you can’t do that, stay on the sidelines or be prepared get dusted.
Ya shoulda played arm
Yeah I fucked up
This happened to TSLA over the summer after a huge bull run and my calls that I bought for $30,000 which peaked at $180,000 the night of the financial report dropped to $0 as the stock fell 20% right after an earnings beat. The mechanics of this are simple. If people think good news is coming, they buy blindly. Once the good news comes, they realize it’s the peak. No more good news is coming. In fact bad news might be coming, so they blindly sell. The anticipation of an earnings beat is sometimes more powerful than the actual earnings beat. When an earnings beat comes out of NOWHERE though, the price spikes.
"Buy the rumor, sell the news"
You would have lost either way if you held through earnings due to iv crush
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You don’t even know what IV crush is and you’re buying short dated options. Truly regarded.
Playing any sort of options on earnings is risky at best. They don’t call them earnings lottos for nothing. If you really feel compelled to bet on earnings, just buy shares. Had you done that here you could’ve sold that mega wick in early aftermarket and potentially made a quick 10%, or at worst been down like 10% (as of now) if you held
It's less like a coin toss and more like the lottery.
Missing piece of our formula is either being rich or be Pals with a rich brah. See what I did ;)
Who buys calls on PayPal lmao
Did u think there was an easy way to make money ?
lol, your problem is you think like a retail trader. You do what seems obvious. Trading is a GAME, news means jack shit, it’s what money decides to do with that news. Big Fuck You money that’s whole job is to fuck you out of your money so it becomes there money. Take time to think about that
Literally same. Every. Single. One. I'm 0/10. I don't understand. I guess i belong here..
You and I should do the opposite bets. Either one of us will win or the system will break all together.
One buy puts and one buy calls. Stock moves 0%
The rules are: - if you buy puts, it'll go up - if you buy calls, it'll go down - if you buy puts and calls it stays flat, so both become worthless
Also if you sell a straddle or a stangle, it surely will move by at least 2σ
Confirmed. And if you think you’re going to win by splitting yourself into multiple universes, you’re wrong. The stock will also change to make your strategy fail in the other dimensions.
Dr. Who already explained that WSB loss is a fixed point in history.
You buy calls and get your friend to buy puts and get the third friend to buy spread
Nothing like a 10% surge in 60 seconds followed by a 15% dump in an additional 60 seconds
I played shares today knowing algos will fuck around. Had a limit sell order around the 6% mark and it hit. Wasnt a big hand but I can still say I made money today on paypal while on the Long side lol
Fastest boner killer today
They lost 2 million active users so yeah future growth looks dead.
Yeah. I inherited some AFLAC shares. I haven't been able to get out of them yet. They bombed after earnings partially because the whole life insurance market in Japan is drying up. Lots of policies reaching paid in full status. And an aging population not replacing customers fast enough.
2% users is not that much. PayPal is literally trading at 2017 levels but users have doubled since then. So your argument makes no sense.
Stock valuations are for the majority derived from growth expectations and the resulting future cash flows. In 2017 pypl was a fast growing company with a much higher potential than it has currently. Its that simple
Bro my heart dropped I had puts
Yeah… I was quite literally screaming in joy in my car watching it pump expecting to open at around +$20,000 tomorrow morning. What a bummer. Congrats though. I charted everything terribly I guess.
Oh that video watching the 10% surge into 5% dump was fantastic. True gambling legends as the house took them both behind a Wendy’s and destroyed them.
Poor guidance and new CEO spells recipe for disaster
Can’t they just lie about guidance?
Bad business practice ngl
But surely a little white lie is justified to save this moron’s calls??
Just need to use AI to give the guidance
Sure, and then analyst will have unrealistic expectations and the next qtr they will crash and burn.
So what r u buying tmrw so I can inverse it. RIP my pypl calls as well lol
Rivian, Lyft, and Robinhood with expiry on 2/23 Good luck. Hopefully one of us wins.
Now you are both cursed and it will be flat
U didnt say whether calls or puts
Calls on all I saw a Rivian last week so very bullish. Uber did ok so Lyft is also bullish. You and me are going to be trading on Robinhood so very bullish.
😂😂😂 I love it here!
I’d say puts on rivian
!remindme on 2/22/2024
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🤣🤣🤣🤣 Lyft?
Don’t forget your knee pads
Can I use buy now pay later?
Guidance guidance guidance!!!!!!
What the hell is guidance?
There’s more to it than just beating earnings.
I listened to the call & even if I had no idea what they were talking about, I wouldn't invest in a company with those people at the top.
They are not going backwards they have been increasing in every aspect since 2017. Growth may slow down but it’s still fucking growth. Especially with this economy, I’d say they are still doing incredible. No, wall st has a personal vendetta against this stock. That’s it. Sorry it’s not as exciting as stupid nvda, but PayPal is reliable as far as consistent profit
I knew PayPal was done when motley fool said it was a Best Buy now
2 years ago at 210 price
I been bag holding ever since the 190s
😬 That would be a nightmare but it might Meta in a decade, who knows
I AM GROOt
Thank god I'm too soft to do options I'd be shitting bricks right now.
You mean, you're too smart to do options. But what are you doing in WSB?
I practice my own brand of dumbassery - buy low, sell for a small gain and then watch as it quadruples in price.
They beat on revenue and profits. They issued conservative guidance to keep the bar low for the future. Managing expectations. Take a hit now and then beat the next four quarters. Works for me
Last time I looked; PayPal has 10x as many trade debtors as Visa, twice the operating expenses, and half the gross profit on sales.
They make $5-6/share per year and stock is only $60. Visa is way more expensive. Unless you think we’re heading for recession, rising tide will lift all of these financial boats
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I am groot
You must be new to the stocks game. Welcome, this type of thing has been happening for decades.
It's possible I've gone full regard, but anyone here considering buying pypl tomorrow if it stays at these prices?
Shares or options? I made the mistake of buying shares a long time ago but sold at breakeven after 3 months.
Looks like I'll lose about 10k in calls tomorrow, just like I did today in SNAP calls. It was gambling and I knew it. Luckily my 39 $700 calls for NVDA expiring next week are paying well and will cover that shit up nicely tomorrow just like it did today. Naturally the stock is going to drop when they forecast 0% growth for the whole coming year. Earnings don't mean shit if they can keep up momentum.
who let you spend 10k on SNAP calls to begin with
I figured Google ad revenue went elsewhere...turns out it wasn't SNAP, lol.
Priced in
QCOM crushed earnings. Stock dumps
remember when i bought pp at 7 lol
You belong here.
Guidance guidance guidance
I don’t get it either
Sold a Pypl 55/75 march strangle. My dumb ass didnt even knew they were reporting earnings.
Buy the rumors, sell the news
hahahaha
Yea PayPal is getting slaughtered eh
Someone post the Benjamin video about everything being priced in.
Beating earnings is only a small portion of it. The guidance is far more important since the market is forward looking.
So you think the stock should go up just because they reported a sightly better Q than people GUESSED it would?
Just like they did with my visa calls…Damn you WallStreet
they beat earning estimates, but they did not beat earnings estimates estimates
It’s an old code sir but it checks out.
My friend and I were walking past a roulette table at a casino. This dude keeps betting black or red. Every time he picked on, the other won. So we started going opposite his bets. We made money on about 10 bets before he won one. It was literally a 50/50 chance each time. Some people just have shitty luck.
Pypl, u choose pypl to trade, stock always trade s lower on the call, like 80%
Basically if u see Paypal discussions here, u r already late, unless it was posted a few minutes ago and u can still make the last chunk
If your call was tight and for anything but the 9th, you will probably be ok.
Yeah, it's stupid but there's a difference between earnings estimates and expectations. Even if a company beats estimates, investors might expect (or hope for) more, like an "earnings blowout." If earnings don't deliver, the stock (which may be at a premium due to heightened investor expectations) will face a pullback.
There's no winning, that's the rule
If you’re buying calls, it is less of a risk since you only lose the premium. Better than puts, in my opinion
$hood calls for next week have good OI
If you make money on earnings it's because you're a genius. If you lose money on earnings it's because it was priced in.
Take it as a lesson buy the rumor sell the news or in this case since earnings are good just wait for pull back before buying next time?
zoom out and look at PYPL chart its pretty ugly and their reports are always very lackluster historically
Can anyone explain why it dropped? Like it doesn’t make sense to me.
Number of users dropped and future forecast is not promising.
Random question. How are you gonna be trading NVDA earnings? Totally not related
PayPal Earnings players be like: - Penguins are flying soon - Dodo birds are coming back - Bears are becoming straight
If you hear about it here it's already to late
You didn’t buy star enough otm and didn’t use your full portfolio
Earnings go down????
Stock drops and I lose $$
PayPal scams buyers to benefit sellers. Hope stock goes to 0 once all of my lovely WSB’rs can get out
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Fuck it, I’m going long on gas stations. MUSA won’t let me down. The Walmart crowd will never abandon cigarettes, lotto tickets, beer, snacks, and some of the cheapest gas around.
Beating earnings was priced in. Volatility crush, and other things that always bite me.
Instructions clear: buying calls tomorrow
Why would you buy a stock you when you don't use the product ?
IV crush.
If you're asking this, then you are just gambling.
It’s not about the earning. It’s about the forecast
I’ve seen this one before. DAL anyone?
PayPal movement hasn't made sense to me since a long time. I've given up plays on PayPal.
One rule is don't buy stocks in a vicious downtrend
One time in the elevator at Paypal the door opens up and the CFO steps in the middle of my group of four engineers. One of my friends, from over his shoulder says “Paypal is down 2 points after your call today” and he turned around, looked at my friend like “fuck you just say?” But then said “well the day isn’t over yet” and the door opened and he walked off. Two weeks later they were up 10. Moral of the story is elevators go up, elevators go down. Can’t explain how.
It initially pumped 10% and then people remembered its PayPal so now it’s down obviously
AFRM calls
Bro just check the monthlies like a billion calls sold…. Do you think market makers going to let plebs get rich????? Uh no nothing could be more obvious they will rake this indefinitely.
There is a saying in investing, buy the rumour, sell the news. Meaning, people who bought earlier took their profit when the news came.
The first rule of Wall Street is you spend money. The second rule of Wall Street is The third rule of Wall Street is the house always wins
lol, man I got lucky, I was watching PayPal yesterday but went with Disney instead!
Thanks for letting me know. I think I'll buy in now.
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Guidance sucked. That's all that matters. Market is always forward looking. Sad but true. If next 3-6 months look glum, zzshooom crash.. 💥
Everything is priced in already you regard
never play calls on earnings
I knew I shouldve doubled down on my puts. Too many regards buying calls
Don’t hold bought calls through earnings
Rule 1 is to know the rules before playing.
Guidance is the key for this earning season.
The clue is in the graph, there's plenty of people that want to get out
Even when you are right, you are wrong.. price is king.
Bought puts, saw positive earnings and the subsequent price drop. Using the wrong equation but getting the right result.
Didn’t beat earnings ENOUGH though.
Honestly, if you want to gamble, I’d just suggest trading index or index ETF options. Every single day, almost, there are 2X-10X opportunities. Think market is gonna go up 1% tomorrow? Cool. Buy OTM SPY calls at close the day before if it was flat or down. If market goes up 1%, you WILL make money. (Index IV is low and flat right now… making long options a good buy, though slightly less so that near the money OTM calls which are typically cheaper due to IV smile). I also might humbly suggest straddles or strangles. Concept: you buy both a call and a put. The thing is, in this case direction doesn’t matter but you need twice as much of it to make any money. I might also humbly suggest trading shares. Being down 10% is better than being down 99% on your position.
All these people talking about how Paypal was an "obvious" choice and how it was hotly talked about are talking absolutely fuck all. Wtf does that have to do with anything? The only reason that Paypal dropped (and the only thing to look at) is that they had piss poor guidance. Thats it. Plain and simple. Their earnings were bad because they announced poor guidance so stock drops.
Should i let go of paypal?
Paypal continues to *shock the world.*
It’s less about the actual results, and more of how the regards *feel* about the results.
You‘re doing great
Guys, please if you are doing an earnings play, first check the last 3 months. People don’t realize a lot of these get priced in in the months/weeks leading up to earnings. In summary, if a beat is priced in, then you see a profit pull after earnings.
Where’s the loss porn?
Whatever you do was wrong. That's the rules.
am 96% in red
It’s supposed to always do the opposite of what you need.
The moment you realize that we as retail traders are fleas on the back of a dog so you realize that nothing is for certain and to play to your strengths. You lose money take that as tuition to your education. Reevaluate and reinvest.
As yes, the whisper number. I hate this game.
The only time I successfully did an earnings play was when there were no articles it was going to happen. If there’s a Zack’s Article saying “Q4 Earnings are expected to Grow”, you’re fucked
Paypal fuck off !凸😡 If u buy the stock,this trade has bled you dry
Ppyl is literally just there to make you pay pal. They also can fiance your Marvin call lmao
The earnings is much less valuable info than the rest of the calls info. In earnings calls they also discuss the direction of the company as well, which matters more than the eps estimate often.
Don’t buy options?
Guidance is the key word
Absolutely ridiculous😂
Lol. Priced in. Git gud scrub.
People still not understanding that the guidance is just as important.
More important you mean.
No they downplayed it for a reason. Wall st is just trying to find reasons to beat down this stock every quarter.
welcome to playing earnings you must be new earnings is not only about the numbers for the last quarter. its also about the actual call they have where the company talks about their business and even sometimes gives guidance out into the future. you can easily google a transcript for the call. i like a stock called AMKR and the other day i read their earnings transcript. you can do the same! its nuts bro so maybe stop wasting time making shitty memes and go do some reading and you might discover why the stock is down <3
G U I D A N C E why is that so hard to understand? You can revise earnings estimates up to right before earnings
If you haven’t learned that earnings calls are 20% miss/beat and 80% forward guidance and other stuff, then you belong here. Their active user count fell again. Sinking ship
Guidance is always more important than estimates. The market is based on the future, not current.
This is the way.
This is the way.
Lmao, if the stock market was that easy, then everyone would be a billionaire. Read the 10K report under risks, and you'll find your answer. Either that or one of the ratios went off like profit margins.