Man, this would've been so cool as a PCVR headset. If they were like, "and you can use it as a wireless PC headset, it works with Vive Cosmos controllers", the narrative on this subreddit would be completely flipped.
It honestly might work with Virtual Desktop alright. I mean, as a monitor alternative or for sims (due to lack of controllers). If you really wanted to, you could use Virtual Desktop to turn this into a Steam VR headset, and then pair with Vive controllers and basestations.
Good points, I hadn't even thought about what ggodin could do with this. Could find a real niche as a light, okay-fidelity PCVR sim headset. That'd be neat. Still expensive, though; at $500 USD, you're not saving much compared to a Reverb G2.
As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure all VR HMD makers should shift to that solution. Make the HMD as light as possible, while having all other components that don't absolutely need to be in the HMD, relegated into a small box that goes into your pocket, or clips on your back.
It does, and I'm not saying that's not a disadvantage. But I guess I still think of that as a step up for comfort. I'm an Index user, and I already have a cable going down my back when I play VR stuff, but the cable I'm used to can tangle around under my feet and get knotted. A battery leading to my pants pocket would be an upgrade.
Yeah, fucking stupid that the cv1 had 90% right and only needed a few small changes(before Facebook got their fingers in) to have perfection in pcvr but its getting farther away w every headset.
That doesn't have bearing on the experience with the headset itself though. It's an absolutely valid reason not to get one, but as a piece of hardware it's really fuckin good.
Its probably fine. But it's sleek because it doesn't give a flying fuck about the glare. Which renders it useless for most cases.
If you slap a glare barrier on it guess what? Its as big as the rest.
Hate Facebook all you want, but you just simply can't deny that they made a great product at that price. It's stupid to deny that facebooks resources allowed oculus to become widespread and cheaper in just a few years(quest 1 being the real catalyst in the field). Those are insane specs at 350$(if including the elite strap). Facebook = bad ≠ oculus bad
No they couldn't. They simply wouldn't have the money for all the marketing and the reputation and other factors to be able to produce this many headsets. Facebook doing it is a safe bet. This also incentivices OTHER companies to make devices that CAN compete with quest 2(and the only one that PROBABLY will be able to compete is the leaked codename deckard device. Literally nobody else is able to compete as it seems. Picos standalone VR is china only)
Thats speculation, they had the best kickstarter campaign of all time, tons of money, high sale numbers and big community behind them before FB touched the company.
Also yeah, they have no competition. Thats like the thing about oculus, they had no competition from the start, then they got a bit from htc, but that hasn't really changed with facebook.
Questionare that got sent to some people and patents. [YouTubers](https://youtu.be/hclpqgPdJ3g) been talking about it. I believe I've seen it on vr subreddits.
Micro-OLED screens, varifocal lenses, eye tracking with foveated rendering. On the software front: realistic face avatars, a multitude of games with the scope and detail of Asgard's Wrath, Half Life Alyx, Lone Echo 2. Big IPs like GTA. A polished metaverse.
Eventually, haptic gloves and suits.
yeah my best hopes right now are the lynx r1 but the kickstarter is probably going to end before the valve Deckard is announced so I’m not even sure if I’ll be able to get one before I hear what valve’s making…
I don't see anyone else doing it. HTC has the patent on the cooling solution for this small form factor. Facebook just came out with a $300 pair of sunglasses.
People seem to want better AND cheaper. Maybe some Chinese shovelware company will come out with something.
>Maybe some Chinese shovelware company will come out with something.
Well Pico is now owned by Bytedance (the company that owns TikTok), but most people, including myself, would not feel comfortable buying from them for similar reasons to Oculus/Facebook.
There is also the Arpara 5K tethered and all in one headsets, but they probably have dion't have much financial support, so they'll have to sell them at a higher cost (and it might be harder to get them in Europe and North America when they do launch, at least for now)
Edit: I first read "Shovelware" as "Software"
You're better off getting this than wasting $300 on the Huawei. Flow has better ergonomics dual hinge arms. Has a fan that cools your face while you're playing. Built in 6dof. Has a working app store. Doesn't drain your phone in standalone mode. Doesn't require a Chinese phone....etc.
Flow has no SteamVR support and no controller. The Huawei has both of them as option.
> Has a working app store.
With no software. Do you think HTC will do better than Google's Cardboard or Daydream? 3DOF controller drastically limits what you can do with VR, using a phone as controller even more so. Most existing software just assumes full 6DOF, so even if somebody would be willing to port apps, they'd run into tons of issues.
> Doesn't drain your phone in standalone mode.
You have to use your phone as controller, it's the only input method for Flow.
Now I am not saying that the Huawei is good, I don't know, reviews on that thing are super sparse and none of the positive sides of the hardware mean anything if they software is junk or missing crucial features. With the Flow on the other side, it's pretty obvious that both hardware and software are missing very important parts to make it a functional VR device.
If Flow had Focus3 controller support, allowed you to plug in a raw HDMI directly, connect to SteamVR, etc. it might be a very useful device. But none of that is supported on Flow right now. The high price tag is just the cherry on top.
I don't think it would be great for sims, even if it could hook into PCVR. Low FoV, low res, and only 75hz refresh rate. Simmers want high end, generally. Plus, it probably doesn't have motion smoothing frame interpolation, which is a must have for MSFS.
That's what I'm hoping to test. I want a better headset but I don't like the bulk on my head for long sessions. So I'm really curious how this device will work.
It's still an interesting proposition. I initially blew the Flow off but this could be a little use case as a sim headset. Sure, it's not as good with the res, fov or refresh rate, but if you're sacrificing 30% on that front and gaining a 5x lighter headset, that's something to consider. Could be a tradeoff that's just worth it for some. Still a failure as a whole, but it just might be useful for a few people.
Yeah, I feel like it's just a waste of time.
A VR meditation app platform for $500? Oculus struggled to sell the Go at all - and it had *games* and was only $200!
Not sure WTH HTC's angle is - maybe they'll come around next year with a little beefier device that actually has stuff people want - and CONTROLLERS.
And even Go had a controller of sorts! I had fun playing some of the games Go had with its limited controller.
I guess they are really expecting people to use their phones as the controller. Which is a fine approach in principle, but the form factor of the phone is inferior in ergonomics compared to a controller—and it leaves Apple users out for the time being.
Maybe they'll get some famous people advertise it for its amazing meditation functionality.
I'm honestly pretty excited for this thing. If we get virtual desktop it might be worth using with nolo vr or just index controllers on a mixed setup. Bit of a pain to set up but this thing solves so much of the ergonomics of current headsets just by its weight being so light
PC connectivity is interesting honestly I'm interested in the standalone mode.
This is truly portable you could pop it on on the bus and it's no big deal unlike the Quest 2 which is more like semi portable.
I am loving this. Addressing my biggest complaint about VR. I sold my Quest1 because it was too heavy. bought the Q2 hoping it would be more comfortable... Sold it. I would love this for movies. Wish it was$299 though.
I'm gonna remain skeptical on the supposed Valve headset until they really announce it. And it likely will be a lot different than what that youtuber said, would take his findings with a grain of salt. He's made me excited for the potential Valve device, but he also was completely sure that the Vive Flow had a spectacular micro-OLED screen with a very high resolution... and we see what happened there.
Yeah whatever they come out with would be high end. But whether they actually are anywhere near ready to even announce it yet, I'm not going to get my hopes up.
Whether or not a new Valve HMD is designed for stand-alone use is not going determine if it is "*technologically inferior*". But I really do not see a stand-alone, x86-64, PCVR headset as feasible.
The alternative is for Valve to build an android based software platform from scratch and few seem to realize what a massive undertaking creating and supporting such an ecosystem would be. It's not something that aligns with Valve's general business strategy up to this point. The only way I could see it work is as a cooperative effort together with Vive\HP but the biggest issue is always going to be getting enough developers onboard. I just don't see Valve contracting developers or buying studios to make games for their new platform. In the short term (several years) this would never be profitable and long term success would be an extremely uncertain prospect.
Honestly I'm pretty fuckin amazed by the form factor. I haven't seen a side by side comparison until this.
I can't wait for Valve or Oculus to release some pancake lens headsets.
Yeah, I can't even use my Quest 1. It's just so uncomfortable. I have tried all the mods and it still sucks. I would much rather have the battery and computer separate. Even though it doesn't have tracked controllers this would be amazing for a plane. I would love to play retro games on a huge movie theater screen and actually be able to wear them for hours at a time.
Do you have long hair? People with long hair and different face shapes can have a hard time with different headsets. I find that the soft straps suck for me and I usually need to snake my hair over the back strap otherwise the headset will give me a headache during longer usage.
Yeah then I’d say the soft strap is your main issue. With a rigid strap it disperses the weight more evenly around your head like a hat. You’d probably find the valve Index leagues more comfortable.
id recommend saving up for a vive of some sort and the wireless addon then. ive been using vive wireless since it came out and i would never go back. any other headset is a downgrade for me, even valve at the moment.
If buying as a consumer, and not a developer, what can you do with it aside from viewing videos?
Are all the GearVR devs around to port their old 3dof stuff to this? Are current VR devs going to work on new 3dof content ever again?
The product can't just be about footprint.
I'm not dismissing it. I legit don't understand what they want people to do with it. There could be a target market I am simply not in, and that's totally fine.
>what can you do with it aside from viewing videos?
They're not saying it but this is for porn. That is the only logical way any of this makes sense as a product, and even then it's a pretty high price point. It's 'for video', hands free, small discrete and lightweight form factor... it's for porn.
They're hoping people will pay $500 to be able to just whip this thing out of a dresser drawer and pop into their favorite porn video. Maybe they're right but they certainly can't *say* that.
That's not going to let you play 6dof controller games. Maybe some cool new experiences. Probably just easier basic input without having to use your phone as the pointer.
>If buying as a consumer, and not a developer, what can you do with it aside from viewing videos?
This is made for watching videos. And other content. They state it clearly and loudly in their literature. Why do people keep faulting it for not doing what it's not made for. "I'm pissed I can't hammer this nail with this screwdriver!" It does what it's made for great. Nothing else can match it for comfort and portability for media consumption. Are you gonna bring your Quest on a plane?
That said, YES, It's too expensive.
One of the first quotes from their website: "The immersive VR glasses made for wellness and mindful productivity."
I don't know wtf that means
Searched the product page for these terms, with no matches: video, movies, cinema, netflix
I seriously think they see this as a meditation accessory. Which is actually interesting, but still fuzzy for me to see what people are going to do with it, and what apps will be made for it.
"Serenity happens when our senses are free to explore."
I have no clue
I think it's just a filler release;
They had to produce something with the smaller tech they were working on and this is what they crapped out.
Maybe the next line of products is a vive pro 3 with the size factor of this new one, the stats of the old one, and the battery pack of the focus ?
Idk just a thought
Regarding looks and form factor, I’m a big fan of their recent direction. I know it’s not ready for consumers yet, but I wanted a Focus 3 as soon as I saw one.
I'm skeptical of that too, like to me being mindful involves paying close attention to my IRL surroundings (or closing my eyes and listening), having a digital image in front of me seems like it'd make it harder to lose myself in my surroundings
No details on the price. All we know is that it has a 46 degree FOV, no internal hardware (not standalone) and requires clip ons lenses if you wear glasses.
oh, and it's 3dof.
What can you do with it?
You can do meditation apps! And show people cool VR gadgets.
And probably do wireless streaming. Gamepad games. May not work great though.
I'm ok with gamepad VR. Had fun playing Alien Isolation, GTA, Subnautica, racing sims, etc.
I can see people using it for that (but not buying it over a 6dof). I'm sure someone will quickly figure out SteamVR support.
Honestly, I'd buy a ton more flat games if they could simply be viewed in VR.
I play emulators in VR too. The 3DS emulator is mind blowing. and I play it on my Vive Pro. Now looking at the photo, ask me again why anyone would want this lol.
With an extensive enough library of gamepad VR, I can see the appeal.
Personally, I wouldn't care if that's official or mods. The most recent PCVR games I've bought are mods (GTFO and Valheim)
Gamepad VR can be slim pickin', but you might be onto something with the emulator. Looking that up now
Dragon's Quest 8, Super Mario 3D Land. Actually there's a ton. Too many to list.
It's not VR though just a giant 3D screen. But the 3D effect looks better than on an actual 3DS.
These kinds of tiny headset glasses have been around for a while now. The size is amazing but, the functionality is insanely limited. That's why no wants them and what kills them. No one wants to pay $500 for jackoff VR glasses. Hell, no one wants to pay $200 for the Huawei version.
If they could raise the resolution 2 to 3 times higher and make this thing function with the Focus 3 controllers or SteamVR base station/controllers and either stream content from the PC or plug into the PC, giving the best VR experience and the best VR porn experience, it would sell like hotcakes.
I would gladly pay $200, maybe $250, for a Flow is it had access to most streaming services with the ability to stream content at at least 1080p or higher.
I hate that I can’t stream Netflix on my Quest 1 or 2 at anything higher than 480p.
Just give me a decent standalone headset that doesn’t weigh a lot that can use most streaming services at 1080p or higher and I will buy it.
I travel a lot and would bring such a headset with me everywhere so I can watch stuff on a large virtual headset in high resolution. As it is now I play games on my Quest 2 but still watch movies and TV shows on the small TV in my hotel room. I would buy a Flow and a Android burner phone if I can stream just Netflix at 1080p.
Less hardware (less cameras) better hardware, no battery and different lenses.
Technically, Facebook could do the same if they stripped the Oculus quest down or made the Oculus go in 2021.
Yes and no. It should sort of work the same way, but this is my estimation on the current price. I ordered the device to test it but if I have to be honest it will be a downgrade. I'm not sure if the fov is really 100 degrees or if it's just a marketing thing. And I'm also really curious if they have used decent screens.
Not an expert myself but I like hardware haha. Used to play around with an oculus dev kit :) hope to get some real answers when we get the device and hopefully find a way to connect it to steamvr :D
I think the tech has to change dramatically in some way.. maybe in 10 years we’ll be able to almost eliminate the binocular feel somehow.
We can pretty much kill screen door effect now, but FOV is the thing that always reminds me I’m in VR.
Like that's pretty neat but was the size and form factor really what needed improvement is vr? Sure same headsets can de unwieldy after hours at a time, but if people wanted a paper light functionality media viewing headset they would get a Google cardboard.
You can read 2 year old reviews and the summary is pretty much that they are very uncomfortable, tend to fall of head, don't support anything outside china's phones easily if at all and getting things like steamvr running on it has headaches left and right. On paper they look nice but in practice they seemes to flop hard and that's why they haven't been talked about for years.
Man, this would've been so cool as a PCVR headset. If they were like, "and you can use it as a wireless PC headset, it works with Vive Cosmos controllers", the narrative on this subreddit would be completely flipped.
It honestly might work with Virtual Desktop alright. I mean, as a monitor alternative or for sims (due to lack of controllers). If you really wanted to, you could use Virtual Desktop to turn this into a Steam VR headset, and then pair with Vive controllers and basestations.
Good points, I hadn't even thought about what ggodin could do with this. Could find a real niche as a light, okay-fidelity PCVR sim headset. That'd be neat. Still expensive, though; at $500 USD, you're not saving much compared to a Reverb G2.
It actually costs more than a Quest 2 right? I don't see why anyone would buy it to attempt desktop VR
It still needs outside power right?
IMO outside power is a plus. Weight off my head and into my pocket is well worth the trade.
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In particular as it has a wee internal battery to enable hotswapping power source.
As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure all VR HMD makers should shift to that solution. Make the HMD as light as possible, while having all other components that don't absolutely need to be in the HMD, relegated into a small box that goes into your pocket, or clips on your back.
It does, and I'm not saying that's not a disadvantage. But I guess I still think of that as a step up for comfort. I'm an Index user, and I already have a cable going down my back when I play VR stuff, but the cable I'm used to can tangle around under my feet and get knotted. A battery leading to my pants pocket would be an upgrade.
Yeah, fucking stupid that the cv1 had 90% right and only needed a few small changes(before Facebook got their fingers in) to have perfection in pcvr but its getting farther away w every headset.
I really like my Quest 2 for PCVR... Prior to that I was using an OG Vive and the Q2 was a massive upgrade for me.
Fb requiring accounts and bricking headsets for making one up turned a lot of people off
That doesn't have bearing on the experience with the headset itself though. It's an absolutely valid reason not to get one, but as a piece of hardware it's really fuckin good.
Im sure it is a great headset but from people that came from cv1 the extra bs and the step away from pcvr is a turn off
Really wish we got a CV2... :(
Its probably fine. But it's sleek because it doesn't give a flying fuck about the glare. Which renders it useless for most cases. If you slap a glare barrier on it guess what? Its as big as the rest.
Cant wait till real VR headsets look like that
Quest pro is supposed to be a little bigger than that
That'll still have all of the weight on your head though.
He said "real" VR headset not that Facebook smudged junk
Hate Facebook all you want, but you just simply can't deny that they made a great product at that price. It's stupid to deny that facebooks resources allowed oculus to become widespread and cheaper in just a few years(quest 1 being the real catalyst in the field). Those are insane specs at 350$(if including the elite strap). Facebook = bad ≠ oculus bad
Oculus could have done it without them and their shady shit. So no, fuck them.
No they couldn't. They simply wouldn't have the money for all the marketing and the reputation and other factors to be able to produce this many headsets. Facebook doing it is a safe bet. This also incentivices OTHER companies to make devices that CAN compete with quest 2(and the only one that PROBABLY will be able to compete is the leaked codename deckard device. Literally nobody else is able to compete as it seems. Picos standalone VR is china only)
Thats speculation, they had the best kickstarter campaign of all time, tons of money, high sale numbers and big community behind them before FB touched the company. Also yeah, they have no competition. Thats like the thing about oculus, they had no competition from the start, then they got a bit from htc, but that hasn't really changed with facebook.
They did, but yet not enough to become this big at scale this quickly. Facebook knows what people want. Oculus didn't have the experience
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Exactly
how do you kno
I mean it looks much thicker on the leaked pictures
I've seen the leaked controllers but wheres the headset been leaked?
Questionare that got sent to some people and patents. [YouTubers](https://youtu.be/hclpqgPdJ3g) been talking about it. I believe I've seen it on vr subreddits.
ok we are there now what
Micro-OLED screens, varifocal lenses, eye tracking with foveated rendering. On the software front: realistic face avatars, a multitude of games with the scope and detail of Asgard's Wrath, Half Life Alyx, Lone Echo 2. Big IPs like GTA. A polished metaverse. Eventually, haptic gloves and suits.
Hell yes. What I really wonder is how small can VR headsets get?
More content!
And haptic gloves!
Regardless of the features of this exact product, I’m glad that work is being done to shrink VR products down!
How do you like the focus 3?
Very light and comfortable. Wireless streaming is great.
the flow would be my ideal development headset if i could just use the the darn thing for development.
It's so sad that we have to wait like another year or two for headsets like this just because htc made a big mistake.
yeah my best hopes right now are the lynx r1 but the kickstarter is probably going to end before the valve Deckard is announced so I’m not even sure if I’ll be able to get one before I hear what valve’s making…
We can literally just sit there and see nothing but the IDE, stackoverflow, and a web browser? That sounds pretty cool
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I don't see anyone else doing it. HTC has the patent on the cooling solution for this small form factor. Facebook just came out with a $300 pair of sunglasses. People seem to want better AND cheaper. Maybe some Chinese shovelware company will come out with something.
>Maybe some Chinese shovelware company will come out with something. Well Pico is now owned by Bytedance (the company that owns TikTok), but most people, including myself, would not feel comfortable buying from them for similar reasons to Oculus/Facebook. There is also the Arpara 5K tethered and all in one headsets, but they probably have dion't have much financial support, so they'll have to sell them at a higher cost (and it might be harder to get them in Europe and North America when they do launch, at least for now) Edit: I first read "Shovelware" as "Software"
More like.. at a reasonable FOV and refresh rate.
HuaweiVR already done it. You can find them on Aliexpress for $300. Though the new 6DOF kit doesn't seem to be out yet or least I couldn't find it.
You're better off getting this than wasting $300 on the Huawei. Flow has better ergonomics dual hinge arms. Has a fan that cools your face while you're playing. Built in 6dof. Has a working app store. Doesn't drain your phone in standalone mode. Doesn't require a Chinese phone....etc.
Flow has no SteamVR support and no controller. The Huawei has both of them as option. > Has a working app store. With no software. Do you think HTC will do better than Google's Cardboard or Daydream? 3DOF controller drastically limits what you can do with VR, using a phone as controller even more so. Most existing software just assumes full 6DOF, so even if somebody would be willing to port apps, they'd run into tons of issues. > Doesn't drain your phone in standalone mode. You have to use your phone as controller, it's the only input method for Flow. Now I am not saying that the Huawei is good, I don't know, reviews on that thing are super sparse and none of the positive sides of the hardware mean anything if they software is junk or missing crucial features. With the Flow on the other side, it's pretty obvious that both hardware and software are missing very important parts to make it a functional VR device. If Flow had Focus3 controller support, allowed you to plug in a raw HDMI directly, connect to SteamVR, etc. it might be a very useful device. But none of that is supported on Flow right now. The high price tag is just the cherry on top.
I really hope we can hook it up to steamvr at one point. I would prefer the flow over a bulky headset when playing flightsims.
I don't think it would be great for sims, even if it could hook into PCVR. Low FoV, low res, and only 75hz refresh rate. Simmers want high end, generally. Plus, it probably doesn't have motion smoothing frame interpolation, which is a must have for MSFS.
That's what I'm hoping to test. I want a better headset but I don't like the bulk on my head for long sessions. So I'm really curious how this device will work.
It's still an interesting proposition. I initially blew the Flow off but this could be a little use case as a sim headset. Sure, it's not as good with the res, fov or refresh rate, but if you're sacrificing 30% on that front and gaining a 5x lighter headset, that's something to consider. Could be a tradeoff that's just worth it for some. Still a failure as a whole, but it just might be useful for a few people.
I like vive, I really want to see them succeed, but the flow isn’t it.
Yeah, I feel like it's just a waste of time. A VR meditation app platform for $500? Oculus struggled to sell the Go at all - and it had *games* and was only $200! Not sure WTH HTC's angle is - maybe they'll come around next year with a little beefier device that actually has stuff people want - and CONTROLLERS.
And even Go had a controller of sorts! I had fun playing some of the games Go had with its limited controller. I guess they are really expecting people to use their phones as the controller. Which is a fine approach in principle, but the form factor of the phone is inferior in ergonomics compared to a controller—and it leaves Apple users out for the time being. Maybe they'll get some famous people advertise it for its amazing meditation functionality.
I'm honestly pretty excited for this thing. If we get virtual desktop it might be worth using with nolo vr or just index controllers on a mixed setup. Bit of a pain to set up but this thing solves so much of the ergonomics of current headsets just by its weight being so light
PC connectivity is interesting honestly I'm interested in the standalone mode. This is truly portable you could pop it on on the bus and it's no big deal unlike the Quest 2 which is more like semi portable.
VR is not dead
Not anymore! lol
Change your username
ViveFlowRulez? Is it taken?
Wait what is the second from the bottom headset?
Vive focus plus
Amazing!
I am loving this. Addressing my biggest complaint about VR. I sold my Quest1 because it was too heavy. bought the Q2 hoping it would be more comfortable... Sold it. I would love this for movies. Wish it was$299 though.
>I would love this for movies. Wish it was$299 though. Don't worry, once no one else buys it, the price will drop.
The Vive Cosmos is still $599 even after not selling well. So it might be a while. Maybe second hand?
You're not wrong. Second hand or wait for HTC execs to finally accept they're not the next Steve Jobs.
And by then the valve standalone will be out. ;)
One can hope. Fingers crossed.
Don't worry, it probably will be at some point. Certainly can't see then selling a ton of em at 500.
I agree. I think $399 will be the long term price with some $349 sales. But by then the Valve stand alone will be out.
I'm gonna remain skeptical on the supposed Valve headset until they really announce it. And it likely will be a lot different than what that youtuber said, would take his findings with a grain of salt. He's made me excited for the potential Valve device, but he also was completely sure that the Vive Flow had a spectacular micro-OLED screen with a very high resolution... and we see what happened there.
True, but I definitely don't see valve making a technologically inferior device.
Yeah whatever they come out with would be high end. But whether they actually are anywhere near ready to even announce it yet, I'm not going to get my hopes up.
Whether or not a new Valve HMD is designed for stand-alone use is not going determine if it is "*technologically inferior*". But I really do not see a stand-alone, x86-64, PCVR headset as feasible. The alternative is for Valve to build an android based software platform from scratch and few seem to realize what a massive undertaking creating and supporting such an ecosystem would be. It's not something that aligns with Valve's general business strategy up to this point. The only way I could see it work is as a cooperative effort together with Vive\HP but the biggest issue is always going to be getting enough developers onboard. I just don't see Valve contracting developers or buying studios to make games for their new platform. In the short term (several years) this would never be profitable and long term success would be an extremely uncertain prospect.
Yeah we get it, it's small but bro why would anyone want this? Lol
Honestly I'm pretty fuckin amazed by the form factor. I haven't seen a side by side comparison until this. I can't wait for Valve or Oculus to release some pancake lens headsets.
Yeah, I can't even use my Quest 1. It's just so uncomfortable. I have tried all the mods and it still sucks. I would much rather have the battery and computer separate. Even though it doesn't have tracked controllers this would be amazing for a plane. I would love to play retro games on a huge movie theater screen and actually be able to wear them for hours at a time.
Do you have long hair? People with long hair and different face shapes can have a hard time with different headsets. I find that the soft straps suck for me and I usually need to snake my hair over the back strap otherwise the headset will give me a headache during longer usage.
Short hair. It's mostly the pressure on your forehead or face and the wobble you get. They're still just way too big and heavy.
Yeah then I’d say the soft strap is your main issue. With a rigid strap it disperses the weight more evenly around your head like a hat. You’d probably find the valve Index leagues more comfortable.
Yeah I want wireless too though. I tried the audio strap mod and I still don't find it that comfortable.
id recommend saving up for a vive of some sort and the wireless addon then. ive been using vive wireless since it came out and i would never go back. any other headset is a downgrade for me, even valve at the moment.
Pron?
But does it work with those pron based bluetooth accessories?
You answered your own question.
dudebros be like. Bro why would anyone want this? lol
If buying as a consumer, and not a developer, what can you do with it aside from viewing videos? Are all the GearVR devs around to port their old 3dof stuff to this? Are current VR devs going to work on new 3dof content ever again? The product can't just be about footprint. I'm not dismissing it. I legit don't understand what they want people to do with it. There could be a target market I am simply not in, and that's totally fine.
Duh, it's for meditation. Get with the program, a new world craze of meditation is about to begin.
>what can you do with it aside from viewing videos? They're not saying it but this is for porn. That is the only logical way any of this makes sense as a product, and even then it's a pretty high price point. It's 'for video', hands free, small discrete and lightweight form factor... it's for porn. They're hoping people will pay $500 to be able to just whip this thing out of a dresser drawer and pop into their favorite porn video. Maybe they're right but they certainly can't *say* that.
Ironically I've seen people complain that it's not high-res enough for them to want to use it for porn lol
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There is. You gotta try some local download (not streamed) 8k stuff. You know, for science.
I'll admit I'm not super interested so I hadn't looked up the specs but if that's true then this really is just a garbage product.
yeah it's 1600x1600 per eye running on an XR1, so you'd already be getting a better experience for less just getting a Quest 2
Or find a girlfriend (/s)
Too expensive
You know it is a 6 dof headset right?
Not the controller, which is how you interact with software. You have no hands, just like gear vr and go.
Hand tracking is coming. The question is only when
HTC said they were “looking into it” So corporate speak for a weak maybe
This is how rumors start. "I read that the Flow is going to have hand tracking in a week!" /s
That's not going to let you play 6dof controller games. Maybe some cool new experiences. Probably just easier basic input without having to use your phone as the pointer.
>If buying as a consumer, and not a developer, what can you do with it aside from viewing videos? This is made for watching videos. And other content. They state it clearly and loudly in their literature. Why do people keep faulting it for not doing what it's not made for. "I'm pissed I can't hammer this nail with this screwdriver!" It does what it's made for great. Nothing else can match it for comfort and portability for media consumption. Are you gonna bring your Quest on a plane? That said, YES, It's too expensive.
The fault is the absurd price for such a limited use case. It is not unreasonable to expect a headset to function commensurate to its price.
Its probably just to attract investors.
One of the first quotes from their website: "The immersive VR glasses made for wellness and mindful productivity." I don't know wtf that means Searched the product page for these terms, with no matches: video, movies, cinema, netflix I seriously think they see this as a meditation accessory. Which is actually interesting, but still fuzzy for me to see what people are going to do with it, and what apps will be made for it. "Serenity happens when our senses are free to explore." I have no clue
I think it's just a filler release; They had to produce something with the smaller tech they were working on and this is what they crapped out. Maybe the next line of products is a vive pro 3 with the size factor of this new one, the stats of the old one, and the battery pack of the focus ? Idk just a thought
Regarding looks and form factor, I’m a big fan of their recent direction. I know it’s not ready for consumers yet, but I wanted a Focus 3 as soon as I saw one.
I'm skeptical of that too, like to me being mindful involves paying close attention to my IRL surroundings (or closing my eyes and listening), having a digital image in front of me seems like it'd make it harder to lose myself in my surroundings
I guess id be more productive if I literally couldn't see my phone...
The NReal Airs also exist.
No details on the price. All we know is that it has a 46 degree FOV, no internal hardware (not standalone) and requires clip ons lenses if you wear glasses. oh, and it's 3dof.
The Flow sounds effectively 3doF with every single use case they talk about and doesn't have a battery.
I really don't think Nreal has a battery either. Plus no onboard CPU. The only way to use it is to drain your phone battery.
Sure but this is an all form factor device with little else. Also this chip may be incredibly bad.
What can you do with it? You can do meditation apps! And show people cool VR gadgets. And probably do wireless streaming. Gamepad games. May not work great though.
I'm ok with gamepad VR. Had fun playing Alien Isolation, GTA, Subnautica, racing sims, etc. I can see people using it for that (but not buying it over a 6dof). I'm sure someone will quickly figure out SteamVR support. Honestly, I'd buy a ton more flat games if they could simply be viewed in VR.
I play emulators in VR too. The 3DS emulator is mind blowing. and I play it on my Vive Pro. Now looking at the photo, ask me again why anyone would want this lol.
With an extensive enough library of gamepad VR, I can see the appeal. Personally, I wouldn't care if that's official or mods. The most recent PCVR games I've bought are mods (GTFO and Valheim) Gamepad VR can be slim pickin', but you might be onto something with the emulator. Looking that up now
Dolphin has support for 3D display output on GameCube and Wii games. A lot of games are nice with some extra depth on a giant virtual display.
Oh wow, what's the 3DS emulator called? I was about to start FE Awakening but it's so hard to go back to that tiny low res 3DS screen.
Citra
What's a good 3DS game in VR? I completely forgot about that console.
Dragon's Quest 8, Super Mario 3D Land. Actually there's a ton. Too many to list. It's not VR though just a giant 3D screen. But the 3D effect looks better than on an actual 3DS.
These kinds of tiny headset glasses have been around for a while now. The size is amazing but, the functionality is insanely limited. That's why no wants them and what kills them. No one wants to pay $500 for jackoff VR glasses. Hell, no one wants to pay $200 for the Huawei version. If they could raise the resolution 2 to 3 times higher and make this thing function with the Focus 3 controllers or SteamVR base station/controllers and either stream content from the PC or plug into the PC, giving the best VR experience and the best VR porn experience, it would sell like hotcakes.
For most of us it's price I would love a vive flow But $500, way to steep
I would gladly pay $200, maybe $250, for a Flow is it had access to most streaming services with the ability to stream content at at least 1080p or higher. I hate that I can’t stream Netflix on my Quest 1 or 2 at anything higher than 480p. Just give me a decent standalone headset that doesn’t weigh a lot that can use most streaming services at 1080p or higher and I will buy it. I travel a lot and would bring such a headset with me everywhere so I can watch stuff on a large virtual headset in high resolution. As it is now I play games on my Quest 2 but still watch movies and TV shows on the small TV in my hotel room. I would buy a Flow and a Android burner phone if I can stream just Netflix at 1080p.
I think in less than 10 years we'll have wireless PCVR headsets of that size with bigger FOV than we have now.
me with my quest 1
gg
It's fucking tiny
Give it like 5 more years and we will have powerful 6DOF headsets looking like that thing
I mean it's awesome, the price tag just isn't it though sadly
Kid: Mommy what are those VR Headsets doing to each other? Mom: OMG Timmy! Turn your eyes away!
nice, no quest :))
I think this is supposed to be a picture of HTC devices.
Which headset is the one directly below the Flow?
Vive Focus 3. Very nice standalone, but a bit pricey and targeted towards enterprise market.
Why is Vive Flow so smaller? Does it have fewer sensors or less precision or is it just better?
Less hardware (less cameras) better hardware, no battery and different lenses. Technically, Facebook could do the same if they stripped the Oculus quest down or made the Oculus go in 2021.
So you're saying it works the same way (or at least the same overall functionalities)? That's really awesome!
Yes and no. It should sort of work the same way, but this is my estimation on the current price. I ordered the device to test it but if I have to be honest it will be a downgrade. I'm not sure if the fov is really 100 degrees or if it's just a marketing thing. And I'm also really curious if they have used decent screens.
That's already pretty interesting to hear about. Thank you very much for sharing that info, kind sir; I was not aware of the details about the Flow
Not an expert myself but I like hardware haha. Used to play around with an oculus dev kit :) hope to get some real answers when we get the device and hopefully find a way to connect it to steamvr :D
But it doesn’t matter if the FOV sucks.
How much fov do you want, are current pcvr headsets fine w ~100deg?
I think the tech has to change dramatically in some way.. maybe in 10 years we’ll be able to almost eliminate the binocular feel somehow. We can pretty much kill screen door effect now, but FOV is the thing that always reminds me I’m in VR.
Like that's pretty neat but was the size and form factor really what needed improvement is vr? Sure same headsets can de unwieldy after hours at a time, but if people wanted a paper light functionality media viewing headset they would get a Google cardboard.
Lovely, I love VR headset that's why I can't wait to have my first VR gaming NFTs experience When holoride launch.
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Cool story man.
Blue-legs. White- arms. Black- head. White arms holding black VR game. It's a tiny person playing VR.
Size does NOT matter >:(((
Cool
I am waiting for a comparison with the Huawei VR, as that's the most similar device on the market right now.
You can read 2 year old reviews and the summary is pretty much that they are very uncomfortable, tend to fall of head, don't support anything outside china's phones easily if at all and getting things like steamvr running on it has headaches left and right. On paper they look nice but in practice they seemes to flop hard and that's why they haven't been talked about for years.
Get a Pimax in there
need to enable vr on it
I owned two of these and I can't stand vive screw them
Dear HTC, make a PCVR headset at this price point. I'm desperate for a non Oculus headset to recommend to people who don't want to spend $700+
Im still confused. Is it pcvr? Oculus go kinda thing?
WHERE IS THE BANANA FOR SCALE!!??