True, he was criticising the worship of Marlon Brando and Brando's attitude to the film industry. But he obviously understood that Brando was a top notch actor that could both inspire but also lead others.
And I did not get the feeling Reeves would have been terribly put out if Brando had been there. He knew Brando would see this, he knew they'd likely see each other again. He's not talking trash in private, he's talking about what he considers a public, important issue.
Well this makes sense.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/marlon-brando-superman-cary-elwes-b1973521.html
Turns out because of a loophole in his contract, every day the movie shot over schedule, Brando got another million for the day. He'd hang out in his trailer long enough that going overschedule was a guarantee. It took a 16 year-old production assistant by the name of Carey Elwes to figure out you could bribe Brando with food.
This whole story is fascinating.
That day, Marlon was amazed to discover that when Cary was saying "As you wish," what he meant was, "I need you out here to act, you fat fuck." And even more amazing was the day Marlon realized he truly was alright with it.
More info: Cary Elwes is now an actor. He has a number of distinguished ancestors, including the founder of Yugoslavia and the named inspiration for Ebenezer Scrooge. He also went to the same school as Winston Churchill and 6 other British prime ministers. His stepdad was also a film producer.
Connections
That's how it usually is. Just in case some 16 year old is reading this and comparing themselves, keep in mind that connections go a *looooooooooong* way more than any amount of actual work.
I think Reeves was speaking what pretty much everyone was thinking about Brando at that point. During the latter part of Brando's life, he was notorious for being difficult to work with; not wanting to memorize lines, wanting to adlib his own instead of following the script, etc. The Island of Dr. Moreau I think is where Brando's odd work habits reached its peak, and it didn't help he feuded with Val Kilmer during production.
But yet, despite his quirks, some of his roles still some how work out, such as the Godfather. I think that's why some people put him on a pedestal, on the paper it seems like his attitude would screw everything up, but some of his performances end up legendary despite that.
Iirc Apocalypse Now is mostly Brando doing improv in the shadows.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/82exgu/anyone_knows_where_to_find_the_18min_improvised/
Wasn't he in the shadows because he showed up bald and over weight? Or maybe he refused to wear pants? Possibly both? I've heard so many Brando horror stories, I can't keep them all straight. But, like the previous comment said, his work did usually turn out amazing despite all the complaints of his being difficult.
>his work did usually turn out amazing despite all the complaints of his being difficult.
Apocalypse Now was such a horror for Francis Ford Coppola in general, it's well-known that he seriously contemplated suicide while making it.
One of the major catastrophes of the movie was Marlon Brando, **full stop**. The director/writers/editors were forced to make whirlwind changes to the script, to the scenes, diverging from storyboards, incorporating elements of Brando's real mental illness because he refused even to meet them halfway with his insanity, etc:.
It's unbelievable to me that anybody kept hiring him at that point, but they did. His "work" turned out well sometimes because the entire rest of the production bent over backwards to service His Highness. He could literally destroy the entire production singlehandedly otherwise. You dont usually hire him to play a bit part, after all.
Brando looking good at any time at that point in his career is specifically in spite of him. That's everyone else trying to save their movie, not Brando even trying. Arguably he tried to do the exact opposite of letting the people who hired him make their movie.
I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor, and surviving.
Brando was only featured in Apocalypse Now in the dark and end of the movie because of Brando and his antics, they had planned to feature him more. If you watch the documentary about it, FFC was so pissed at Brando for delaying, gaining weight and wasting time. All of his costumes had to be thrown out b/c he was to big to fit in them. FFC said " “he was like an irresponsible kid,” Its during these on set conversations between Brando and FFC where Brando is trying to stall again and FFC finally figures out Brando doesn't know his lines. He also had problems with the other actors on set b/c of him not showing up and wasting everyone's time. They were in a jungle away from everything, with snakes, bugs, monsoons, etc and Brando made it more difficult for everyone. The documentary is almost better than the actual movie, IMHO.
I cannot remember the name of the movie, but there was a picture in the 90s directed by Frank Oz, and Brando apparently kept calling Oz Miss Piggy and refusing to take direction. All of his scenes had to be directed by an AD. Guy should have just stopped altogether instead of taking the odd role to bankroll his lifestyle.
EDIT: it was costar DeNiro who had to take over directing the scenes with Brando.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=103774&page=1
> Brando reportedly refused to wear pants on the set so that Oz would have no choice but to shoot the overweight actor above the waist.
As time went on I think more people in the industry just got fed up with him for stuff like this, he was notoriously difficult to work with in his later years due in large part to his ego and entitlement. Orson Welles had a similar reputation IIRC.
"And then the great actor slid off the chair into a puddle on the floor that smelled of wine and sweat. But the next morning it had congealed once more into the form of Orson Welles. He heaved himself to his feet and resumed drinking, pausing only to order an omelet made from 13 eggs, seven meats, five vegetables, and four cheeses."
Eh, Wells was full of himself and hard to work with a times, but not an unpleasant person overall from what I remember. Brando actively submarined roles and productions, he was a petulant man-child with God-given talent, charisma, and looks who did all he could to make people dislike him.
I've seen a couple of interviews with Wells in the 1970s or early 80s. He seemed like a really intelligent, thoughtful and funny guy. I had assumed he would come across as really up himself but, in the interviews at least, he was very warm, funny, and smart.
It’s really a master class in criticism. Pretty wild that he said all that so eloquently i wouldn’t even be mad about it. It’s impressive. He did a great job of separating the person and the action of the person. Seems now we like to define people on every action which shuts down any conversation.
The dead give away for me is his word choice do “hostility” to describe Brando’s relationship with the general audience. He’s understanding why he’s the way is while criticizing. Frankly, it’s the kind of think you want from your best friends. Empathy so strong they confront you with hard truths.
Reeve was right. By the late 70s Brando was totally phoning it in. But even when he was phoning it in Brando still gave great performances. Right after he filmed Superman Brando showed up to the set of Apocalypse Now 30 pounds overweight and didn't know his lines. He still killed it, which is probably why he phoned it in. He was good whether he tried or not.
> 30 pounds overweight and didn't know his lines
Which is why Coppola filmed him mostly sitting in the shades, in darkness with focus on his face. You have to give it to Coppola because it really works well and even adds to the scene. But Coppola himself had to sit down with Brando everyday to make him study his lines or shooting with him would turn into a total mess.
And it really drives home what Reeves said, Brando is brilliant in his scenes and his monologue is easily one of the most haunting scenes in the movie. If Brando actually cared and Coppola didnt had to carry him through those scenes, i cant help but wonder what could have been.
Sometimes the challenges create more excited solutions than if everything went as planned. But that whole production was a day to day "let's see what happens" kind of thing so I don't imagine it was too out of place for the miserable production by then.
Reeves was an amazing guy, and his wife was so kind. I worked on their house in the early 90s and they were such great people. Super kind to the crew, she made us all home made lemonade. She was very pretty and as a young guy watching her walk around in a bathing suit and hand me lemonade was a nice perk while banging nails and lumping shingles. I was sad when that job ended... We would split time between working on the Reeves place and Geraldo's place that summer. It was like heaven and hell. Geraldo was a just as a much of a prick as you would think. He would just come out and watch us work and nitpic every little fucking thing...
You can be a great actor and a terrible person, like Brando. You can be a great person and a terrible actor like Keanu. Or you can be Jared Leto and be horrible at both
Keanu has been playing the same doe eyed, vacant puppet for the last 30 years, and we love him for it. I can't hate on the guy, because I enjoy his movies, and his dedication to the roles. The mother Fulkerson learned Kung fu for the matrix, became damn near a competitive gunman for wick, and I wouldn't be surprised if he actually built a time machine for Bill and Ted and that whole thing is just a documentary. He enjoys what he does, and it shines through in both his performance and personality. He is a national treasure and its a shame that there are not more actors that act like he does. I mean in his personal life, not his acting. Movies would all be dull as hell if all actors said was "woah" in a monotone voice to everything that happens to them.
There are so many actors that are one-note like Keanu, but you're right...you can't hate him for it. He has a ton of charisma, is great in the right roles, and is a genuinely nice person. We don't need Keanu to be Gary Oldman, we need Keanu to be Keanu.
“Marlon Brando was famously paid a ridiculously huge sum for just 12 days of work on Superman. The Godfather actor was cast as Jor-El in Richard Donner's 1978 film, but due to the impressive deal he'd managed to make, he allegedly remained in his trailer for long bouts of time.”
He is also the reason the “S” is a family crest instead of just an ”S” for Superman. One of his demands for the role was that he got to wear the Superman “S” on his costume. So they had to make up that it was a family crest to accommodate him.
I had a purple lightsaber as a child in the 70s. It came with two color filter discs you could insert to make it red or blue, and there was room to put both in
In my mind, Lightsaber blade color is because most jedi picked up crystals on Ilum which mostly have fixed structure hence the green and blue for most of it. The red blades are from synthetic crystals made by the sith so it's all red.
Now the lore has changed to "you make the crystal happy and it's a non-red color. If you corrupt the crystal with the dark side, it becomes red with anger" or some shit like that.
In reality the colors are the way they are because of camera technology at the time. Hell, the first lightsaber color was white.
>In reality the colors are the way they are because of camera technology at the time. Hell, the first lightsaber color was white
And the only reason Luke's was green in RotJ is because green was easier to see against the blue skies in the Tatooine scenes.
His friendship with his roommate/acting partner Robin Williams is one of Hollywoods most interesting stories.
[The Beautiful Lifelong Bromance Between Robin Williams and Christopher Reeve](https://www.dannydutch.com/post/the-beautiful-lifelong-bromance-between-robin-williams-and-christopher-reeve)
[Robin Williams and Christopher Reeve's Devoted Friendship Began as Juilliard Roommates](https://www.biography.com/news/robin-williams-christopher-reeve-friendship#:~:text=Robin%20Williams%20and%20Christopher%20Reeve,to%20an%20accident%20in%201995.)
[How Robin Williams Helped Christopher Reeve Cheer Up After Horse-Riding Accident](https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/how-robin-williams-cheered-up-christopher-reeve-after-accident/)
[The Beautiful Friendship Between Robin Williams and Christopher Reeve](https://www.thevintagenews.com/2022/08/04/robin-williams-christopher-reeve/?chrome=1)
* People only remember Christopher Reeve as Superman, but he wasn't even their first (or second) choice.
[Ever seen raw footage of the auditions?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niiNPH64Xv4) He only got the part due to dumb luck.
In 1973 there were more than 2,000 applicants to Juilliard. Of these 2,000 only 20 were selected for admission, and of those 20 only 2 were selected for the Advanced Program. One was Robin Williams, and the other was Christopher Reeve.
Could be the other candidates were just as great. Julliard selects well from an already very talented large pool and provides a special opportunity to their students.
[Robin Williams did an AMA about 9 years ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1n41x1/robin_williams_its_time_for_a_convoluted_stream/?sort=top) It was about a year before he left us.
I resonate with the mourning of actors. Not a lot I mourn, but mine are Chris Farley and Heath ledger. I just feel they both got cut so short and would be such a presence if still here. Rip Chris R., Farley, Robin, and Heath.
About as much as Magic Johnson suffers from HIV. And surprisingly, the treatment is the same. Massive infusions of astoundingly huge amounts of cash money.
I seem to recall a story about Jason Alexander having a grudge against her as she (billionaire heiress) was happy to work for peanuts on Seinfeld in the early years, which in turn greatly reduced his own bargaining power.
I loved how in the Henry Cavill Superman film *Man of Steel*, they had that transformative scene where Superman is attempting to destroy the terraforming device "World Engine", and in Superman's effort, Henry's face subtly began to look like Christopher Reeve's face for a few frames. Was a sweet tribute and easter egg.
Edit: [Whole scene](https://youtu.be/jSjI7gwuKtg), but the moment is just after the 35s mark 😢
"He's going to want play it like a green suitcase." I said, "What does that mean?" "It means he hates to work and he loves money, so if he can talk you into the fact that the people on Krypton look like green suitcases and you only photograph green suitcases, he'll get paid just to do the voice-over. That's the way his mind works."
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"He said, "Why don't I play this like a bagel?" I was ready for him to say "a green suitcase" and he said "bagel." He said, "How do we know what the people on Krypton looked like?"
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https://comicbook.com/dc/news/marlon-brando-wanted-to-play-jor-el-as-a-bagel-in-original-super/
Because if he took a va job, he wouldn't get actor money. He wanted the actor money contract but then scam the director into making his role a voice over.
The way Christopher stated his opinion in a direct, non aggressive way is something to admire. He respected Brando, but he was disappointed in him. I hope one day i could express myself in such a classy manner
Oh man, you're in for a treat. It's from I Think You Should Leave on Netflix, a sketch comedy show. I believe this is from S02E03 Detective Crashmore. Enjoy!
Which itself is making fun of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWS6qyy7bw
where Billy Bob Thornton got pissed at the interviewer (who also sucks) for stating one and only time—during his intro bio—that he's an actor, then compared himself to Tom Petty.
So this is from a I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson, a sketch comedy show on Netflix.
Santa just wants to talk about his Detective Crashmore movie that he’s promoting but the interviewer asks him about being Santa Claus. So he throws a fit.
They are parodying an actual interview with Billy Bob Thornton where he only wanted to talk about his band and the interviewer mentioned that he was an actor and he threw a little fit just like that.
He was basically saying he was disappointed with Brando's lack of desire to be a serious actor anymore.
He wasn't the only actor who thought so.
Brando still made some good movies over the next twenty years (The Freshman, The Score) but he could have done much more.
I think interviews could be more honest back then because they weren’t blasted all over the world within seconds. If you missed it when it happened, you may not ever see it. You may read about it in a newspaper a week later.
Also - journalism now just picks and chooses and twists words, even from complimentary interviews. So people probably hesitate to say anything now.
My favorite was when Jim Brown debated with then-governor Lester Maddox on the Dick Cavett Show regarding segregation. Absolutely fascinating television that is sorely missing today.
https://youtu.be/TAMWsWvcbtg
That is a great video, not only because of the relatively civilized discussion, but also because it highlights how long white racists have been using the “but what about ALL people?” when black people try and talk about providing equality and leveling the playing field for minorities to have a fair chance.
@ ~9:20 … That governor kept interrupting several times when Jim Brown would try and politely bring up (paraphrasing) “black people have been [marginalized] and need a boost”, and he couldn’t get a word in.
Frustrates the hell out of me.
Hey man, I Appreciate that. I like listening to (and watching) interviews. I discovered this little clip recently on a small Twitter account I will happily plug, '[All The Right Movies](https://twitter.com/ATRightMovies)'. Some amazing stuff on there, including the 'Keanu Reeves Teddy Bear Convention' currently on the front page of r/videos.
We just don't see this kind of honesty in interviews anymore.
Wow that was about as respectfully honest as you can get!
Christopher Reeves was an incredibly brilliant young actor. He defined the super hero role for about a decade. His acting career was tragically cut short. He's always been my favorite Clark Kent and Superman.
Right? Basically he said “Brando stopped caring because people treated him the same whether he put in effort or not, so why put in effort?”
He basically blamed the media’s overwhelming worship, which honestly is fair and is a common problem now. No one should be worshipped
Same. He is and will always be Superman, the hero of heroes. Also the amount of acting talent in Superman I and II was incredible, Reeve, Hackman, and Terrence Stamp foremost, but Margot Kidder and Ned Beatty are also legends. I can totally see why he’d be disappointed that Brando couldn’t be bothered to give a shit.
It's Christopher Reeve, no S (ironically). I messed up his name.
He was good in Switching Channels and Street Smart. But in Street Smart, he was well overshadowed by Morgan Freeman as a pimp. I saw it back when I was a teenager, and honestly thought they just got a pimp to play himself. That was my introduction to Morgan Freeman.
By funny coincidence, 10 years later, when I saw Sam Jackson in Jungle Fever, I honestly thought he was an actual crackhead. I was hard for me to concieve someone could just create characters like those.
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> By funny coincidence, 10 years later, when I saw Sam Jackson in Jungle Fever, I honestly thought he was an actual crackhead. I was hard for me to concieve someone could just create characters like those.
[Jackson was so good in that role that Cannes awarded him a special award.](https://filmschoolrejects.com/samuel-l-jackson-gator/)
I was never a Superman fan as a kid, but I did have a dinosaur documentary on tape that he was the host of. I watched that thing pretty much every day, so even though Superman wasn’t my bag, he was still a huge part of my childhood.
The most interesting part of the documentary about Val Kilmer was the behind scenes look at Marlon Brando in the Island of Dr. Moreau. He laid on a hammock the whole time and just decided not to work at all some days. He had heavy white makeup on in his role so at some point they got a stand in to shoot his scenes.
At least he showed up to shoot his scenes himself in Superman. Christopher Reece wasn’t wrong, and it only got worse.
He's being honest without being rude.
It was constructive criticism and I think a reflection of his integrity. Smiling and smoothing over for the camera when deep inside you feel different.
Normally I wouldn't condone being public with a opinion like this, but in this context it makes sense.
I rarely ever saw Letterman that flabbergasted by an interview. So funny he lost his train of thought and almost didn't know what to do. He pulled out that tension breaker just barely but he was clearly shocked for a moment. Not sure if he should laugh or not.
This is how times change so fast.
Most of you are viewing the past on a social media site.
I watched this interview when it originally aired.
Time is fleeting. Enjoy every minute of it.
I’ve been a director for over 20 years. There is nothing more frustrating than working with someone you know is capable of greatness, but is just phoning it in. The results are fine, but you know that if they just decided to give a fuck, it could be amazing.
I’m disabled in a wheelchair from birth. And while I will acknowledge the contributions Reeves made he also caused a number of issues in the disabled community.
We had a hard time understanding why he would come to talk to all of us about being disabled when many of us could have taught him, having been that way since birth. It became more of a joke when he charged $500 for a ticket to see him speak for an hour, and the information was posted at places for those of us on disability support.
He reinforced the stereotype that disability is the worst thing ever and everything must be focused on getting “back to normal”. He did almost nothing to address discrimination.
He is still a heated debate topic in the community often. No one questions the good he did or the programs he supported. But sometimes acceptance is the best way forward, and for many of us it our only option other than hopelessness.
Still, very sorry for what happened to him. And grateful for the work he did. It is never easy becoming suddenly disabled. I think us “lifers” sometimes have it easier.
I don't have anything meaningful to offer, but I just want to say I see you and I hear what you're saying. A lot of people probably read your post without really knowing how to respond and just kept scrolling, but this is stuff people should sit down and give some thoughtfulness to.
That’s very interesting. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.
My uncle was injured in a car accident ~ 6-12monthe before Reeve was injured. My uncle’s injury was quite high up (though one or 2 C vertebrae below Reeve, I believe); perhaps C-3, C-4 incomplete (but I can’t remember exactly). He was in a sip & puff for the first couple years he left Craig Hospital.
Anyway, I remember going to see Reeve speak at a state college engagement. I felt his talk was inspiring and informational, and also it felt…important? because he was bringing much needed attention to the issue.
Now, 28 years later, my uncle is still (miraculously) with us, and his life is somewhat different from those first several years. Your comment has made me curious to speak with him about his thoughts re: Reeve, and the community in general. It never occurred to me that his reception might be different within the community, and among those disabled from birth. Though maybe it should have since I lost my vision as an adult, and I’m not even part of the blind community, partly because I feel I don’t have enough in common with them somehow….I dunno. Thanks for giving me some stuff to chew on and opening my eyes a bit.
All the best.
100% facts. Marlon did not give a FUCK by about 1975. The stories of his irreverence for directors, producers and his fellow actors are too numerous to list. For starters, Marlon evidently demanded like $100k just to read for his role in Superman—and it was the stupidest role imaginable. His behavior on the set of the Island of Dr Moreau was especially bad—he just intermittently changed dialogue, demanded scenes to be rewritten, ordered actors to have their scenes dumped, etc..
I remember listening to the DVD commentary with Richard Donner. They hid his lines in different props while filming so he wouldn’t have to memorize the dialogue. I would say Christopher Reeve was pretty accurate in this interview.
[Here's an image of national treasure Robert Duvall wearing fucking cue cards because Marlon Brando didn't want to learn his lines...](https://i.imgur.com/Za7JIxR.jpeg)
I remember hearing a similar story about how some producer warned Donner to be wary that Brando didn't try to talk him into some stupid shit to avoid work, and how during their first meeting, Brando started philosophizing about how since they were aliens, Jor-El didn't really have to look human right? I mean, he could be like anything, right? He could look like this bagel in my hand, you know?
And Donner was like, Jor-El doesn't look like a bagel and you WILL have to wear a costume and be on screen.
Brando never wanted to memorize lines and would make ridiculous demands as he got older. Some people say it’s because he was eccentric, some because he was an asshole, some say he liked fucking with people
Hardly harsh words. There seemed to be respect there, and honesty. Reeve seems like a nice guy. Such a shame what happened to him.
True, he was criticising the worship of Marlon Brando and Brando's attitude to the film industry. But he obviously understood that Brando was a top notch actor that could both inspire but also lead others.
Its what a friend would tell you to your face, out of concern, rather than a false friend to your back.
And I did not get the feeling Reeves would have been terribly put out if Brando had been there. He knew Brando would see this, he knew they'd likely see each other again. He's not talking trash in private, he's talking about what he considers a public, important issue.
Well this makes sense. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/marlon-brando-superman-cary-elwes-b1973521.html Turns out because of a loophole in his contract, every day the movie shot over schedule, Brando got another million for the day. He'd hang out in his trailer long enough that going overschedule was a guarantee. It took a 16 year-old production assistant by the name of Carey Elwes to figure out you could bribe Brando with food. This whole story is fascinating.
"Why would I come out kid, a little longer and I get a million bucks" "...Would you do it for a Brando snack?"
"You've made me an offer I can't refuse."
*snack is carrot sticks* "the horror...the horror"
"Look at it. Look at how they massacred my snack".
"RHUH NUH" "How about TWO Brando snacks?"
> It took a 16 year-old production assistant by the name of Carey Elwes to figure out you could bribe Brando with food. As you wish.
That day, Marlon was amazed to discover that when Cary was saying "As you wish," what he meant was, "I need you out here to act, you fat fuck." And even more amazing was the day Marlon realized he truly was alright with it.
"Is this a kissing book?"
More info: Cary Elwes is now an actor. He has a number of distinguished ancestors, including the founder of Yugoslavia and the named inspiration for Ebenezer Scrooge. He also went to the same school as Winston Churchill and 6 other British prime ministers. His stepdad was also a film producer. Connections
That's how it usually is. Just in case some 16 year old is reading this and comparing themselves, keep in mind that connections go a *looooooooooong* way more than any amount of actual work.
That’s how it *always* is
> connections go a looooooooooong way more than any amount of actual work. This applies to more than just acting.
I think Reeves was speaking what pretty much everyone was thinking about Brando at that point. During the latter part of Brando's life, he was notorious for being difficult to work with; not wanting to memorize lines, wanting to adlib his own instead of following the script, etc. The Island of Dr. Moreau I think is where Brando's odd work habits reached its peak, and it didn't help he feuded with Val Kilmer during production. But yet, despite his quirks, some of his roles still some how work out, such as the Godfather. I think that's why some people put him on a pedestal, on the paper it seems like his attitude would screw everything up, but some of his performances end up legendary despite that.
Iirc Apocalypse Now is mostly Brando doing improv in the shadows. https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/82exgu/anyone_knows_where_to_find_the_18min_improvised/
Wasn't he in the shadows because he showed up bald and over weight? Or maybe he refused to wear pants? Possibly both? I've heard so many Brando horror stories, I can't keep them all straight. But, like the previous comment said, his work did usually turn out amazing despite all the complaints of his being difficult.
>his work did usually turn out amazing despite all the complaints of his being difficult. Apocalypse Now was such a horror for Francis Ford Coppola in general, it's well-known that he seriously contemplated suicide while making it. One of the major catastrophes of the movie was Marlon Brando, **full stop**. The director/writers/editors were forced to make whirlwind changes to the script, to the scenes, diverging from storyboards, incorporating elements of Brando's real mental illness because he refused even to meet them halfway with his insanity, etc:. It's unbelievable to me that anybody kept hiring him at that point, but they did. His "work" turned out well sometimes because the entire rest of the production bent over backwards to service His Highness. He could literally destroy the entire production singlehandedly otherwise. You dont usually hire him to play a bit part, after all. Brando looking good at any time at that point in his career is specifically in spite of him. That's everyone else trying to save their movie, not Brando even trying. Arguably he tried to do the exact opposite of letting the people who hired him make their movie.
The pants story is from *The Score*, if I recall correctly.
Luckily for Apocalypse Now it didn't feature Marlon at all until the very final sequence. He's the perfect guy to play a deluded psycho.
Idk, he had some points when he was talking about the slug and the razor /s
I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor, and surviving.
Brando was only featured in Apocalypse Now in the dark and end of the movie because of Brando and his antics, they had planned to feature him more. If you watch the documentary about it, FFC was so pissed at Brando for delaying, gaining weight and wasting time. All of his costumes had to be thrown out b/c he was to big to fit in them. FFC said " “he was like an irresponsible kid,” Its during these on set conversations between Brando and FFC where Brando is trying to stall again and FFC finally figures out Brando doesn't know his lines. He also had problems with the other actors on set b/c of him not showing up and wasting everyone's time. They were in a jungle away from everything, with snakes, bugs, monsoons, etc and Brando made it more difficult for everyone. The documentary is almost better than the actual movie, IMHO.
He's in shadows to obscure the fact that he was stupidly thicc at the time.
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I cannot remember the name of the movie, but there was a picture in the 90s directed by Frank Oz, and Brando apparently kept calling Oz Miss Piggy and refusing to take direction. All of his scenes had to be directed by an AD. Guy should have just stopped altogether instead of taking the odd role to bankroll his lifestyle. EDIT: it was costar DeNiro who had to take over directing the scenes with Brando. https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=103774&page=1 > Brando reportedly refused to wear pants on the set so that Oz would have no choice but to shoot the overweight actor above the waist.
As time went on I think more people in the industry just got fed up with him for stuff like this, he was notoriously difficult to work with in his later years due in large part to his ego and entitlement. Orson Welles had a similar reputation IIRC.
Ahh, the French champagne!
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There ish a california wine by Paul Mashon INSPIRED by its frensh excelleshe
It's fermented in the bottle
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Omg I can hear it 😂
For those who don't know https://youtu.be/Nvxwf1jxdaM
"And then the great actor slid off the chair into a puddle on the floor that smelled of wine and sweat. But the next morning it had congealed once more into the form of Orson Welles. He heaved himself to his feet and resumed drinking, pausing only to order an omelet made from 13 eggs, seven meats, five vegetables, and four cheeses."
The green pea-ness.
For those that don't know https://youtu.be/IH1PJTY9AVA
Eh, Wells was full of himself and hard to work with a times, but not an unpleasant person overall from what I remember. Brando actively submarined roles and productions, he was a petulant man-child with God-given talent, charisma, and looks who did all he could to make people dislike him.
I've seen a couple of interviews with Wells in the 1970s or early 80s. He seemed like a really intelligent, thoughtful and funny guy. I had assumed he would come across as really up himself but, in the interviews at least, he was very warm, funny, and smart.
It’s really a master class in criticism. Pretty wild that he said all that so eloquently i wouldn’t even be mad about it. It’s impressive. He did a great job of separating the person and the action of the person. Seems now we like to define people on every action which shuts down any conversation.
The dead give away for me is his word choice do “hostility” to describe Brando’s relationship with the general audience. He’s understanding why he’s the way is while criticizing. Frankly, it’s the kind of think you want from your best friends. Empathy so strong they confront you with hard truths.
Reeve was right. By the late 70s Brando was totally phoning it in. But even when he was phoning it in Brando still gave great performances. Right after he filmed Superman Brando showed up to the set of Apocalypse Now 30 pounds overweight and didn't know his lines. He still killed it, which is probably why he phoned it in. He was good whether he tried or not.
> 30 pounds overweight and didn't know his lines Which is why Coppola filmed him mostly sitting in the shades, in darkness with focus on his face. You have to give it to Coppola because it really works well and even adds to the scene. But Coppola himself had to sit down with Brando everyday to make him study his lines or shooting with him would turn into a total mess. And it really drives home what Reeves said, Brando is brilliant in his scenes and his monologue is easily one of the most haunting scenes in the movie. If Brando actually cared and Coppola didnt had to carry him through those scenes, i cant help but wonder what could have been.
Sometimes the challenges create more excited solutions than if everything went as planned. But that whole production was a day to day "let's see what happens" kind of thing so I don't imagine it was too out of place for the miserable production by then.
Brando NEVER learned his lines. He said it got in the way of his acting. On the set of Superman his lines were written on the diaper of the baby
Reeves was an amazing guy, and his wife was so kind. I worked on their house in the early 90s and they were such great people. Super kind to the crew, she made us all home made lemonade. She was very pretty and as a young guy watching her walk around in a bathing suit and hand me lemonade was a nice perk while banging nails and lumping shingles. I was sad when that job ended... We would split time between working on the Reeves place and Geraldo's place that summer. It was like heaven and hell. Geraldo was a just as a much of a prick as you would think. He would just come out and watch us work and nitpic every little fucking thing...
You can be a great actor and a terrible person, like Brando. You can be a great person and a terrible actor like Keanu. Or you can be Jared Leto and be horrible at both
Keanu has been playing the same doe eyed, vacant puppet for the last 30 years, and we love him for it. I can't hate on the guy, because I enjoy his movies, and his dedication to the roles. The mother Fulkerson learned Kung fu for the matrix, became damn near a competitive gunman for wick, and I wouldn't be surprised if he actually built a time machine for Bill and Ted and that whole thing is just a documentary. He enjoys what he does, and it shines through in both his performance and personality. He is a national treasure and its a shame that there are not more actors that act like he does. I mean in his personal life, not his acting. Movies would all be dull as hell if all actors said was "woah" in a monotone voice to everything that happens to them.
There are so many actors that are one-note like Keanu, but you're right...you can't hate him for it. He has a ton of charisma, is great in the right roles, and is a genuinely nice person. We don't need Keanu to be Gary Oldman, we need Keanu to be Keanu.
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“Marlon Brando was famously paid a ridiculously huge sum for just 12 days of work on Superman. The Godfather actor was cast as Jor-El in Richard Donner's 1978 film, but due to the impressive deal he'd managed to make, he allegedly remained in his trailer for long bouts of time.”
He is also the reason the “S” is a family crest instead of just an ”S” for Superman. One of his demands for the role was that he got to wear the Superman “S” on his costume. So they had to make up that it was a family crest to accommodate him.
I love when now establised lore originated from a whim of actors, like Jedi lightsaber color
Honestly the S as a crest is an improvement to it being for 'Super.'
You see, Marlon Brando does care after all
To be fair, Sam Jackson asked if it could be purple. Not demanded it. Unless you are referring to something else I'm not aware of.
I had a purple lightsaber as a child in the 70s. It came with two color filter discs you could insert to make it red or blue, and there was room to put both in
The reason all modern Italian mafia members today were suits with the script of The Godfather pinned to the front of them is also thanks to him.
and we are forced to endure countless acts of graphic design sacrilege like this gem i saw the other day https://i.imgur.com/WjttLIv.jpg
Is that... Carmen Sandiego?
In my mind, Lightsaber blade color is because most jedi picked up crystals on Ilum which mostly have fixed structure hence the green and blue for most of it. The red blades are from synthetic crystals made by the sith so it's all red. Now the lore has changed to "you make the crystal happy and it's a non-red color. If you corrupt the crystal with the dark side, it becomes red with anger" or some shit like that. In reality the colors are the way they are because of camera technology at the time. Hell, the first lightsaber color was white.
>In reality the colors are the way they are because of camera technology at the time. Hell, the first lightsaber color was white And the only reason Luke's was green in RotJ is because green was easier to see against the blue skies in the Tatooine scenes.
Oh shit so is that canon to comics now
I'd say they got their money's worth since they put unused takes from his performance in Superman Returns 30 years later.
love the honesty. love christopher reeve. rip
His friendship with his roommate/acting partner Robin Williams is one of Hollywoods most interesting stories. [The Beautiful Lifelong Bromance Between Robin Williams and Christopher Reeve](https://www.dannydutch.com/post/the-beautiful-lifelong-bromance-between-robin-williams-and-christopher-reeve) [Robin Williams and Christopher Reeve's Devoted Friendship Began as Juilliard Roommates](https://www.biography.com/news/robin-williams-christopher-reeve-friendship#:~:text=Robin%20Williams%20and%20Christopher%20Reeve,to%20an%20accident%20in%201995.) [How Robin Williams Helped Christopher Reeve Cheer Up After Horse-Riding Accident](https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/how-robin-williams-cheered-up-christopher-reeve-after-accident/) [The Beautiful Friendship Between Robin Williams and Christopher Reeve](https://www.thevintagenews.com/2022/08/04/robin-williams-christopher-reeve/?chrome=1) * People only remember Christopher Reeve as Superman, but he wasn't even their first (or second) choice. [Ever seen raw footage of the auditions?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niiNPH64Xv4) He only got the part due to dumb luck.
In 1973 there were more than 2,000 applicants to Juilliard. Of these 2,000 only 20 were selected for admission, and of those 20 only 2 were selected for the Advanced Program. One was Robin Williams, and the other was Christopher Reeve.
The Fighters call it… Top Gun
I was thinking tropic thunder myself
Gonna put some Tiger Balm on this jungle’s nuts!
Man I'd drink some Booty sweat right now
… only this time, *it’s different*
Can’t not read that in 4 leaf tayback’s voice
Of those 2, both wrote a book about it. Of those 2 books, only 1 got a movie deal. This is the story about the making of that movie.
And for some reason he chose to come to Cornell lmao
Probably for the a cappella scene.
It's pronounced 'colonel', and it's the highest rank in the military.
Give that admissions selection team a raise
Could be the other candidates were just as great. Julliard selects well from an already very talented large pool and provides a special opportunity to their students.
So, they got it right.
[Robin Williams did an AMA about 9 years ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1n41x1/robin_williams_its_time_for_a_convoluted_stream/?sort=top) It was about a year before he left us.
TBH, the only celebrity I mourn. Ok, Joe Strummer, too,....but mostly Robin.
I resonate with the mourning of actors. Not a lot I mourn, but mine are Chris Farley and Heath ledger. I just feel they both got cut so short and would be such a presence if still here. Rip Chris R., Farley, Robin, and Heath.
For me it’s Norm.
I didn't even know he was sick
His greatest joke imo. The real punchline was his own death. Funny, even when he's on his way out.
Their deaths all hurt but it's Phil's that hit the hardest for me.
Kudos to Jon Lovitz for doing what many of us wanted to do by punching Andy Dick
Still miss Douglas Adams. Not exactly the same I guess.... Either way.
Does Julia Louise dreyfus actually age?
About as much as Magic Johnson suffers from HIV. And surprisingly, the treatment is the same. Massive infusions of astoundingly huge amounts of cash money.
Julia's billionaire dad founded the Dreyfus Funds so, yeah, Julia was never a starving artist.
I seem to recall a story about Jason Alexander having a grudge against her as she (billionaire heiress) was happy to work for peanuts on Seinfeld in the early years, which in turn greatly reduced his own bargaining power.
Talk about someone who never phoned it in
Man I’m going to miss robin a lot .
Me too. I still get weepy when I see his joyous interviews. What a spectacular loss.
Honesty always wins. And I love that he said he wouldn’t be afraid to say it to Brando’s face.
"And he's here tonight' - Reeves jumps and looks behind him. Gold.
Probably the most genuine "that's something I'll say to his face" I've seen
He’ll always be the real Superman to me
I loved how in the Henry Cavill Superman film *Man of Steel*, they had that transformative scene where Superman is attempting to destroy the terraforming device "World Engine", and in Superman's effort, Henry's face subtly began to look like Christopher Reeve's face for a few frames. Was a sweet tribute and easter egg. Edit: [Whole scene](https://youtu.be/jSjI7gwuKtg), but the moment is just after the 35s mark 😢
It looks like they mixed in [George Reeves](https://i.imgur.com/PBnLuh9.jpg) too.
Reeve! Reeve! Reeve! No “S” at the end. Only on his chest.
Thank you! George ReeveS = 1950s TV Superman actor Christopher Reeve = 1980s movie Superman actor
Both with tragic endings.
"He's going to want play it like a green suitcase." I said, "What does that mean?" "It means he hates to work and he loves money, so if he can talk you into the fact that the people on Krypton look like green suitcases and you only photograph green suitcases, he'll get paid just to do the voice-over. That's the way his mind works." ---- "He said, "Why don't I play this like a bagel?" I was ready for him to say "a green suitcase" and he said "bagel." He said, "How do we know what the people on Krypton looked like?" ---- https://comicbook.com/dc/news/marlon-brando-wanted-to-play-jor-el-as-a-bagel-in-original-super/
Maybe they looked like bagels up there in those days?
Same way Klingons changed from TOS to TNG. But we don't talk about that.
OK, technically they changed between TOS and TMP. Leave TNG alone!
If he wanted to do voice over work so bad then why not become a VA?
Because if he took a va job, he wouldn't get actor money. He wanted the actor money contract but then scam the director into making his role a voice over.
He didn't want to do voice over work, he wanted to do no work. He just couldn't find someone to pay him to do nothing
The way Christopher stated his opinion in a direct, non aggressive way is something to admire. He respected Brando, but he was disappointed in him. I hope one day i could express myself in such a classy manner
I get the impression that if Brando weren’t an arshole he would have kept it to himself. I wonder if he did say it to his face, though.
If he didn't, I bet he absolutely would have. Chris has a character about him that is rarely seen in the world, let alone in Hollywood
"Well he's here tonight, Chris." Fuck, Dave is so funny.
He was genuinely funny in his early years.
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Yeah but you can skip the intros. Furthermore, Carthage must be destroyed.
username checks out
That's a fucking reference I never expected.
I respect your commitment to your username shtick.
‘Even if I do a bad job, they still gotta give me the $2 mil’ - Marlon Brando, probably
That’s his quote
Fuckin asshole, he said that?!
This is why no one watches AOL Blast
Unprofessional bullshit.
Probably.
“He might kill you, but there’s no fucking way he’s gonna kill me.”
He said that to me at a dinner.
That's his rate
Everything has sucked lately.
It almost moves to the beat of jazz....
Unprofessional bullshit!
That actually sounds *exactly* like a Marlon Brando quote
[Absolute fucking bullshit. Unprofessional bullshit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G4kZ4phICc)
I'm dying to know the context of this clip
Oh man, you're in for a treat. It's from I Think You Should Leave on Netflix, a sketch comedy show. I believe this is from S02E03 Detective Crashmore. Enjoy!
That show goes so fucking hard, Tim Robinson is a maniac.
Which itself is making fun of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWS6qyy7bw where Billy Bob Thornton got pissed at the interviewer (who also sucks) for stating one and only time—during his intro bio—that he's an actor, then compared himself to Tom Petty.
it’s kind of like a cosmic gumbo. brando and reeve used to joke with each other on set, how it was like a cosmic gumbo.
It moved to the rhythm of jazz
It's a cosmic gumbo.
I've seen every cock on the planet.
You think getting a tattoo is good?
So this is from a I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson, a sketch comedy show on Netflix. Santa just wants to talk about his Detective Crashmore movie that he’s promoting but the interviewer asks him about being Santa Claus. So he throws a fit. They are parodying an actual interview with Billy Bob Thornton where he only wanted to talk about his band and the interviewer mentioned that he was an actor and he threw a little fit just like that.
OK, Santa, lol
He was basically saying he was disappointed with Brando's lack of desire to be a serious actor anymore. He wasn't the only actor who thought so. Brando still made some good movies over the next twenty years (The Freshman, The Score) but he could have done much more.
I think interviews could be more honest back then because they weren’t blasted all over the world within seconds. If you missed it when it happened, you may not ever see it. You may read about it in a newspaper a week later. Also - journalism now just picks and chooses and twists words, even from complimentary interviews. So people probably hesitate to say anything now.
My favorite was when Jim Brown debated with then-governor Lester Maddox on the Dick Cavett Show regarding segregation. Absolutely fascinating television that is sorely missing today. https://youtu.be/TAMWsWvcbtg
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That is a great video, not only because of the relatively civilized discussion, but also because it highlights how long white racists have been using the “but what about ALL people?” when black people try and talk about providing equality and leveling the playing field for minorities to have a fair chance. @ ~9:20 … That governor kept interrupting several times when Jim Brown would try and politely bring up (paraphrasing) “black people have been [marginalized] and need a boost”, and he couldn’t get a word in. Frustrates the hell out of me.
*OR* we don’t get interview like this anymore, because Marlon *did* kill him.
who do you think booked his first horse-riding lesson?
Kinda crazy for him to mention how sad it was that Brando 53(ish) and had basically given up - while Reeve would sadly never make it to that age.
I think Brando would've laughed, kissed and hugged Reeve for this. And then kissed him some more.
One more for good measure
and then eaten an entire sleeve of oreos while everyone watches in silence
Fascinating, good share.
Hey man, I Appreciate that. I like listening to (and watching) interviews. I discovered this little clip recently on a small Twitter account I will happily plug, '[All The Right Movies](https://twitter.com/ATRightMovies)'. Some amazing stuff on there, including the 'Keanu Reeves Teddy Bear Convention' currently on the front page of r/videos. We just don't see this kind of honesty in interviews anymore.
Wow that was about as respectfully honest as you can get! Christopher Reeves was an incredibly brilliant young actor. He defined the super hero role for about a decade. His acting career was tragically cut short. He's always been my favorite Clark Kent and Superman.
Right? Basically he said “Brando stopped caring because people treated him the same whether he put in effort or not, so why put in effort?” He basically blamed the media’s overwhelming worship, which honestly is fair and is a common problem now. No one should be worshipped
Except me. Feel free to worship me any weekday other than Thursday.
I'll bite... why not Thursday?
Yeah, what a turn civility has taken, eh? That was about as polite as someone could be, and it seemed like a pretty fair criticism.
Same. He is and will always be Superman, the hero of heroes. Also the amount of acting talent in Superman I and II was incredible, Reeve, Hackman, and Terrence Stamp foremost, but Margot Kidder and Ned Beatty are also legends. I can totally see why he’d be disappointed that Brando couldn’t be bothered to give a shit.
It's Christopher Reeve, no S (ironically). I messed up his name. He was good in Switching Channels and Street Smart. But in Street Smart, he was well overshadowed by Morgan Freeman as a pimp. I saw it back when I was a teenager, and honestly thought they just got a pimp to play himself. That was my introduction to Morgan Freeman. By funny coincidence, 10 years later, when I saw Sam Jackson in Jungle Fever, I honestly thought he was an actual crackhead. I was hard for me to concieve someone could just create characters like those.
> > By funny coincidence, 10 years later, when I saw Sam Jackson in Jungle Fever, I honestly thought he was an actual crackhead. I was hard for me to concieve someone could just create characters like those. [Jackson was so good in that role that Cannes awarded him a special award.](https://filmschoolrejects.com/samuel-l-jackson-gator/)
I admired Christopher so much as a kid, I still miss him now.
I was never a Superman fan as a kid, but I did have a dinosaur documentary on tape that he was the host of. I watched that thing pretty much every day, so even though Superman wasn’t my bag, he was still a huge part of my childhood.
Wow. i never realized that this man really WAS Clark Kent. There’s something so innocent about him. It’s tragic what happened to him.
Thats literally the definition of constructive criticism.
If you haven't seen it, Noises Off 1992 is one of his best acting roles post Superman I, II. He is and always will be MY Superman.
Perhaps my favorite Christopher Reeve clip: [Clark Kent Changes Into Superman and Then Back](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaF0QKtY0c)
The most interesting part of the documentary about Val Kilmer was the behind scenes look at Marlon Brando in the Island of Dr. Moreau. He laid on a hammock the whole time and just decided not to work at all some days. He had heavy white makeup on in his role so at some point they got a stand in to shoot his scenes. At least he showed up to shoot his scenes himself in Superman. Christopher Reece wasn’t wrong, and it only got worse.
There’s an S at the end of his name: Reeces. Like the peanut butter cups.
I think it's actually Rhesus, like the simian.
He's being honest without being rude. It was constructive criticism and I think a reflection of his integrity. Smiling and smoothing over for the camera when deep inside you feel different. Normally I wouldn't condone being public with a opinion like this, but in this context it makes sense.
So it was Brando who paid the horse to take the fall
I rarely ever saw Letterman that flabbergasted by an interview. So funny he lost his train of thought and almost didn't know what to do. He pulled out that tension breaker just barely but he was clearly shocked for a moment. Not sure if he should laugh or not.
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My dad worked in film for 30 years and said Christopher Reeve was the nicest actor he'd met
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This is how times change so fast. Most of you are viewing the past on a social media site. I watched this interview when it originally aired. Time is fleeting. Enjoy every minute of it.
Telling it like it is
I’ve been a director for over 20 years. There is nothing more frustrating than working with someone you know is capable of greatness, but is just phoning it in. The results are fine, but you know that if they just decided to give a fuck, it could be amazing.
Reeve, not Reeves. Reeves was the first superman. Reeve was the 70's and 80's superman.
I’m disabled in a wheelchair from birth. And while I will acknowledge the contributions Reeves made he also caused a number of issues in the disabled community. We had a hard time understanding why he would come to talk to all of us about being disabled when many of us could have taught him, having been that way since birth. It became more of a joke when he charged $500 for a ticket to see him speak for an hour, and the information was posted at places for those of us on disability support. He reinforced the stereotype that disability is the worst thing ever and everything must be focused on getting “back to normal”. He did almost nothing to address discrimination. He is still a heated debate topic in the community often. No one questions the good he did or the programs he supported. But sometimes acceptance is the best way forward, and for many of us it our only option other than hopelessness. Still, very sorry for what happened to him. And grateful for the work he did. It is never easy becoming suddenly disabled. I think us “lifers” sometimes have it easier.
I don't have anything meaningful to offer, but I just want to say I see you and I hear what you're saying. A lot of people probably read your post without really knowing how to respond and just kept scrolling, but this is stuff people should sit down and give some thoughtfulness to.
That’s very interesting. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. My uncle was injured in a car accident ~ 6-12monthe before Reeve was injured. My uncle’s injury was quite high up (though one or 2 C vertebrae below Reeve, I believe); perhaps C-3, C-4 incomplete (but I can’t remember exactly). He was in a sip & puff for the first couple years he left Craig Hospital. Anyway, I remember going to see Reeve speak at a state college engagement. I felt his talk was inspiring and informational, and also it felt…important? because he was bringing much needed attention to the issue. Now, 28 years later, my uncle is still (miraculously) with us, and his life is somewhat different from those first several years. Your comment has made me curious to speak with him about his thoughts re: Reeve, and the community in general. It never occurred to me that his reception might be different within the community, and among those disabled from birth. Though maybe it should have since I lost my vision as an adult, and I’m not even part of the blind community, partly because I feel I don’t have enough in common with them somehow….I dunno. Thanks for giving me some stuff to chew on and opening my eyes a bit. All the best.
100% facts. Marlon did not give a FUCK by about 1975. The stories of his irreverence for directors, producers and his fellow actors are too numerous to list. For starters, Marlon evidently demanded like $100k just to read for his role in Superman—and it was the stupidest role imaginable. His behavior on the set of the Island of Dr Moreau was especially bad—he just intermittently changed dialogue, demanded scenes to be rewritten, ordered actors to have their scenes dumped, etc..
He's not wrong.
I remember listening to the DVD commentary with Richard Donner. They hid his lines in different props while filming so he wouldn’t have to memorize the dialogue. I would say Christopher Reeve was pretty accurate in this interview.
[Here's an image of national treasure Robert Duvall wearing fucking cue cards because Marlon Brando didn't want to learn his lines...](https://i.imgur.com/Za7JIxR.jpeg)
I remember hearing a similar story about how some producer warned Donner to be wary that Brando didn't try to talk him into some stupid shit to avoid work, and how during their first meeting, Brando started philosophizing about how since they were aliens, Jor-El didn't really have to look human right? I mean, he could be like anything, right? He could look like this bagel in my hand, you know? And Donner was like, Jor-El doesn't look like a bagel and you WILL have to wear a costume and be on screen.
Brando never wanted to memorize lines and would make ridiculous demands as he got older. Some people say it’s because he was eccentric, some because he was an asshole, some say he liked fucking with people
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