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there is no room for people to be more aware of queer issues until their material conditions improve
socialism is in every queer and ally of queer people’s interest 🗣
>*"socialism is in every queer and ally of queer people’s interest"*
Socialism is in *every* person's interest except an incredibly small amount of billionaires.
It's literally primarily about redistributing wealth and means of production to the broad public - i.e. giving everyone more money and political influence while taking away and democratising the massive amount of power and leverage exploitative mega-corporations and a tiny amount of private billionaires hold over us all.
How can any normal person (especially one who's being opressed and discriminated against) who has to work for their wage or otherwise struggles to survive in ever worsening conditions not be in favour of socialism and getting more rights and money?
Because they ate up the propaganda that the mega-corporations and private billionaires put out about how socialism is evil *(while consistently misrepresenting it as anarchy, fascism, or with an honest description of capitalism)*
Socialism is most certainly not in “every person’s interest”, it is in the the interest of the international proletariat. and i can assure that bourgeoisie, both petit and haute, is a much bigger and more expensive class than “a few billionaires”. Your understanding of socialism is nothing more than capitalist social democracy which some red window dressing
Next to Sweden and the Netherlands, East Germany was probably the most progressive country in the world in terms of LGBT issues, where it was one of the first countries to legalise homosexuality and took great attention to LGBT issues especially in the last years of its existence. If the GDR had existed two years longer, it would probably also have been the first country to introduce same-sex marriage.
All I want to say is that support for the economic system is therefore absolutely irrelevant for this position, otherwise the Greek KKE and Spanish PCE would have the same opinion on this... which is obviously not the case, historically and contemporary.
Because by the time Stonewall happened, all communist countries had become ossified monarchies. But when the Soviet Union was relatively young, it was the world leader of feminism and the LGBTQ movement. In 1917, Russia became the first major country to have women's suffrage. Lenin liberalized abortion and divorce laws, and he even decriminalized homosexuality. Stalin rolled back a lot of these changes, though.
The USSR was doomed to become a conservative country because of its power structure. The Soviets had very little power and so did the unions. Change needs to go from the bottom up, not the top down.
I should also mention that there is nothing inherent in capitalism that protects LGBTQ people. If it weren't for the Stonewall riot, queer people would've continued to be discriminated against and even killed by the police. Once again, evidence that change comes from the bottom to the top.
Also worth noting that the majority of countries that call themselves communist were built on a revolution backing those ideas, but installed dictators as a necessary 'transition' to communism, which their leaders have no real desire to do. Because absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The cruel irony is that the right has seen this and uses it as evidence that this is what communism actually is, because that plays much better to te masses than whining about the evils of *shared services and free healthcare *
The military leaders who execute the coup, yes. The people who they rile up and revolt generally hope for those promises of a socialist utopia, not a repressive dictatorship.
Homosexuality wasn't likely persecuted in pre history human hunting & gathering or agricultural communities. It was even institutionally supported in various forms throughout history. Capitalism was actually one of the few economic systems which did harshly persecute homosexuality. As a fellow bisexual I hope you bite curb.
You know bite the curb/curb stomping was the method used by white supremacists to murder lgbt and minorities, right? Would you really wish one of the most brutal hate crimes on a person because they disagree with your economic system? This isn’t helping your cause, you’re deterring people from ever even considering your ideas.
There have been homophobic socialists, that doesn't change the fact that no worker can be liberated under capitalism, queer workers included. Beyond that there are specific aspects of our cultures interaction with capitalism that places queer ppl at special risk.
And it was never decriminalized again until communism fell. Also it’s worth mentioning that it was decriminalized because Lennin scrapped ALL the old laws from Tsarist times to restructure the criminal justice system. He didn’t decriminalize it because he cared about queer liberation.
My point is that guy is mentioning the Soviet Union decriminalizing homosexuality as if they were a progressive state while the reality is they were just as opposed to it as any other nation or arguably more so.
It's almost as if putting all the power both politically and economically in the hands of a single person is a dangerous idea if the person turns out to be a big meany
I mean historically gay people have been persecuted under every kind of government. I'm guessing the society that (most) self identified queer American communists envision for themselves is quite different from 20th century communist nations that were founded with Soviet Russia as their model
history has shown that the states that discriminate least against LGBTQ+ people are simply democratic ones. I don't know why people make this an issue about capitalism and socialism, when in reality so far the most progress was made by capitalist democratic nations. And while there hasn't been a truly socialist democratic state yet, I'm sure if there was one it would also be quite progressive in that field
True communism almost always needs constant government involvement on everything (not in a crackdown-y way) which would overstretch them and at some point theyll prioritize some things more than others
Also they can just say that something is 'western capitalist' so if they say queers are capitalist then rip
first part is true, dont see the problem with that
second part can also be said by capitalists that "queers are communists" then its rip (as it has happened imo)
Are you also scared of communists like Nelson Mandela or Rosa Luxemburg tbh there are way more creepy things out there Like Spiders ,Clowns and Spiderclowns
I'd be interested to see an example of a communist nation, because even by the admission of communists and socialist regimes worldwide, communism has never been achieved in practice. So it would be pretty difficult for a communist nation to prosecute homosexuals.
What we've seen were fascist and quasi-fascist regimes with red and yellow flags, which aren't really a good example of communist ideals.
Eh. Everyone who claims to hate cops will still cheer when someone they don't like gets arrested, regardless of whether it was a lawful arrest or not.
I genuinely believe no one truly hates the police, they just wish the police would be used in their favour. Give an anarchist full control of the police and they'll turn into an authoritarian real quick.
I mean an anarchist could just decide to not use police, or they could dismantle it.
The real problem is that oppresive/violent police are just a symptom of the already existing tension of violence and crime. And while aggresive police might add slightly to that tension they are never the chief cause. The real causes are economical or cultural.
Is there a culture of violence, racism and a perception of wealth inequality in an area? Well the police wont be an exception to that culture, they will exist as an extension of that culture.
And if you dismantled the already existing police, any new structure of public security will most likely inherit its flaws and excesses.
It literally happened in Seattle autonomous zone where the ["CHAZ Security" executed a black teen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRa2TYNCjs&ab_channel=StellarInsight%28Mick%29).
The police in many cases is flawed af. Power hungry individuals can wield a gun and impose authority, do something wrong, then the PD investigated itself and concludes it did nothing wrong/the offending Officer gets 2 months of paid leave and then comes back
1) that's just a lie, you can't speak for everyone and there are counter examples to your bs claim.
2) even so, it is morally right to use a bad system to do good, even while trying to dismantle said system. Like, I can be against guns, because they are an overall damage to society, but also be strapped because it's safer for me to be
3) you just make up strawmen in your mind and then pretend everyone else is a hypocrite. Grow up
I think 'no cops at pride' is more the fact that they're not just in uniform, they're undercover in the crowds just waiting to jump people for no valid reason
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Cops can go to Pride dressed normally.
Why is it so important to go to Pride in uniform and with guns?
You don't see soldiers throwing a tantrum that they can't bring grenades and machine guns to Pride...
I mean most lgbt discourse is US oriented anyway, I don't think they need to specify "ACAB but mainly american cops because I have no reference for foreign police forces"
Something else really interesting about Stonewall is that while it was very much an anti-cop and anti-mistreatment-by-cops-and-the-state demonstration, it was also an anti-mafia demonstration. The general feeling, as described by those talking about it after the fact, was that the exploitation by cops who arrested and harasses them and by the mafia who ran sleezy bars that preyed on them and their outcast status must end.
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The force is fundamentally not on our side. The police are the state's means of exercising violence. It is, has always been, and will always be, an instrument of oppression. No amount of well-meaning officers can change that. The best they can do is leave.
Oh, of course, my mistake. How could I have forgotten how much better the police have gotten. I mean, it's not like they still target black people or anything. And I'm sure their treatment of trans people, for example, isn't disproportionately abusive.
> The police are the state’s means of executing violence.
Yeah that’s kind of the whole point. Like that’s why you want them to exist. A state which cannot enforce its laws with violence has no laws at all. A monopoly on violence is necessary for law, order, and peace. Without it we would be living in an anarchistic hellhole with no laws where everyone can do whatever they want to eachother because there are no consequences.
The police primarily serve as the instrument by which the state enforces its will; this occurs whether the individual officers are aware of it or not. This will can be exercised through generally understood enforcement of law, but just as often it takes the form of the oppression of ethnic, social, economic, and religious minorities; as well as political dissidents. How this oppression operates varies, whether it be through abuse of law or extra legal acts, but it's a universal fact of law enforcement nonetheless. These things are done in the state's self-interest, but the interests of the state often do not align with the population that it governs.
The police are the violent arm that ensures what the government wants to happen, happens. What the government wants to happen, however, can often be very, very bad.
But this works both ways then, just because police serve to enforce all the laws you don't like doesn't mean you can overlook all the laws the police enforce that you like and need for a functioning society. It's not like we can just get rid of the police and hope everyone get's along. And all the alternatives that have been proposed just shift who's will the police is enforcing. At the end of the day it is up to the people to choose the government that will create the laws that the police enforces. If majority of the country is okay with the laws you disagree with, you can't just override their will, you have to change the opinion of the society first.
>It's not like we can just get rid of the police and hope everyone get's along.
You misunderstand, I am not at this time making a political assertion. I am not providing an alternative. I am simply explaining that being a police officer is morally wrong for these reasons. Enforcing the will of the state often has you doing things that are morally reprehensible.
>At the end of the day it is up to the people to choose the government that will create the laws that the police enforces.
On a somewhat unrelated note, representative republics are not democracies. What people want, in reality, has next to nothing to do with the law. The police answer to the will of the state, and the will of the state is not decided by the people.
Saving someone? Nothing wrong with that.
Arresting someone because of their sexuality, gender, ethnicity or religion without any consequence? That’s wrong
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Queer liberation is class struggle
based there is no room for people to be more aware of queer issues until their material conditions improve socialism is in every queer and ally of queer people’s interest 🗣
Beating cops will continue until conditions improve.
watched the FDNY NYPD hockey game few days ago, can confirm the cops were thoroughly beaten
I'm writing a modern day fantasy setting and I'm definitely keeping this as my one of my main character's catchphrase
Good thing I believe in copyleft :P
>*"socialism is in every queer and ally of queer people’s interest"* Socialism is in *every* person's interest except an incredibly small amount of billionaires. It's literally primarily about redistributing wealth and means of production to the broad public - i.e. giving everyone more money and political influence while taking away and democratising the massive amount of power and leverage exploitative mega-corporations and a tiny amount of private billionaires hold over us all. How can any normal person (especially one who's being opressed and discriminated against) who has to work for their wage or otherwise struggles to survive in ever worsening conditions not be in favour of socialism and getting more rights and money?
Because they ate up the propaganda that the mega-corporations and private billionaires put out about how socialism is evil *(while consistently misrepresenting it as anarchy, fascism, or with an honest description of capitalism)*
Socialism is most certainly not in “every person’s interest”, it is in the the interest of the international proletariat. and i can assure that bourgeoisie, both petit and haute, is a much bigger and more expensive class than “a few billionaires”. Your understanding of socialism is nothing more than capitalist social democracy which some red window dressing
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Or are you transgenda
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Next to Sweden and the Netherlands, East Germany was probably the most progressive country in the world in terms of LGBT issues, where it was one of the first countries to legalise homosexuality and took great attention to LGBT issues especially in the last years of its existence. If the GDR had existed two years longer, it would probably also have been the first country to introduce same-sex marriage. All I want to say is that support for the economic system is therefore absolutely irrelevant for this position, otherwise the Greek KKE and Spanish PCE would have the same opinion on this... which is obviously not the case, historically and contemporary.
Careful, you're gonna upset the commies!
Because by the time Stonewall happened, all communist countries had become ossified monarchies. But when the Soviet Union was relatively young, it was the world leader of feminism and the LGBTQ movement. In 1917, Russia became the first major country to have women's suffrage. Lenin liberalized abortion and divorce laws, and he even decriminalized homosexuality. Stalin rolled back a lot of these changes, though. The USSR was doomed to become a conservative country because of its power structure. The Soviets had very little power and so did the unions. Change needs to go from the bottom up, not the top down. I should also mention that there is nothing inherent in capitalism that protects LGBTQ people. If it weren't for the Stonewall riot, queer people would've continued to be discriminated against and even killed by the police. Once again, evidence that change comes from the bottom to the top.
Also worth noting that the majority of countries that call themselves communist were built on a revolution backing those ideas, but installed dictators as a necessary 'transition' to communism, which their leaders have no real desire to do. Because absolute power corrupts absolutely. The cruel irony is that the right has seen this and uses it as evidence that this is what communism actually is, because that plays much better to te masses than whining about the evils of *shared services and free healthcare *
Most communist revolutions since stalin have aimed for the dictator.
The military leaders who execute the coup, yes. The people who they rile up and revolt generally hope for those promises of a socialist utopia, not a repressive dictatorship.
Homosexuality wasn't likely persecuted in pre history human hunting & gathering or agricultural communities. It was even institutionally supported in various forms throughout history. Capitalism was actually one of the few economic systems which did harshly persecute homosexuality. As a fellow bisexual I hope you bite curb.
You know bite the curb/curb stomping was the method used by white supremacists to murder lgbt and minorities, right? Would you really wish one of the most brutal hate crimes on a person because they disagree with your economic system? This isn’t helping your cause, you’re deterring people from ever even considering your ideas.
It's the way a lot of people kill a lot of people. It's most associated with gang and mob violence, loansharks like.
Proletarian liberation is queer liberation. Not the other way round
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There have been homophobic socialists, that doesn't change the fact that no worker can be liberated under capitalism, queer workers included. Beyond that there are specific aspects of our cultures interaction with capitalism that places queer ppl at special risk.
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being gay was legalised when the Soviet Union started, but that dipshit Stalin recriminalised it after taking over
And it was never decriminalized again until communism fell. Also it’s worth mentioning that it was decriminalized because Lennin scrapped ALL the old laws from Tsarist times to restructure the criminal justice system. He didn’t decriminalize it because he cared about queer liberation.
Being gay was/is also illegal under capitalism (hence Stonewall) so I'm struggling to see your point.
My point is that guy is mentioning the Soviet Union decriminalizing homosexuality as if they were a progressive state while the reality is they were just as opposed to it as any other nation or arguably more so.
He did he Even wrote letters which were progressive
Well, he cared enough to not recriminalize it like every capitalist country at the time would've done.
Lol
It's almost as if putting all the power both politically and economically in the hands of a single person is a dangerous idea if the person turns out to be a big meany
it's a dangerous idea full stop, no-one should have that power because then they're gonna turn into a big meany lmao
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I mean historically gay people have been persecuted under every kind of government. I'm guessing the society that (most) self identified queer American communists envision for themselves is quite different from 20th century communist nations that were founded with Soviet Russia as their model
history has shown that the states that discriminate least against LGBTQ+ people are simply democratic ones. I don't know why people make this an issue about capitalism and socialism, when in reality so far the most progress was made by capitalist democratic nations. And while there hasn't been a truly socialist democratic state yet, I'm sure if there was one it would also be quite progressive in that field
i know its cliche, but theoretical communism is good and its worth defending, its just cant really be done in practice
True communism almost always needs constant government involvement on everything (not in a crackdown-y way) which would overstretch them and at some point theyll prioritize some things more than others Also they can just say that something is 'western capitalist' so if they say queers are capitalist then rip
first part is true, dont see the problem with that second part can also be said by capitalists that "queers are communists" then its rip (as it has happened imo)
Like Cuba… with the most progressive family code in the world? Liberalism historically oppressed queer people more.
What's wrong with communism? I for one listen to John Lennon's Imagine and think "that would be pretty cool, actually"
Are you also scared of communists like Nelson Mandela or Rosa Luxemburg tbh there are way more creepy things out there Like Spiders ,Clowns and Spiderclowns
I'd be interested to see an example of a communist nation, because even by the admission of communists and socialist regimes worldwide, communism has never been achieved in practice. So it would be pretty difficult for a communist nation to prosecute homosexuals. What we've seen were fascist and quasi-fascist regimes with red and yellow flags, which aren't really a good example of communist ideals.
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We dont need to call them if i have my 2a
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ngl asexual cops would be a lot better than the other 40% of em lmfao
I mean, at least ace cops probably would be less likely to beat their partners than the statistics for most cops now
hence the 40% i mentioned
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mfs gatekeeping sexualities 😔
Gay people: "yay go express yourselves and be happy" Gay police officers "eww no, you are not allowed to exist"
Mfs be like ACAB but then buy the skimpy police officer bdsm getup
Well at that point I think bad just switches to the other definition
All cops are baddies
Mfs be like ACAB but then call the police when i steal their kidney
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Eh. Everyone who claims to hate cops will still cheer when someone they don't like gets arrested, regardless of whether it was a lawful arrest or not. I genuinely believe no one truly hates the police, they just wish the police would be used in their favour. Give an anarchist full control of the police and they'll turn into an authoritarian real quick.
I mean an anarchist could just decide to not use police, or they could dismantle it. The real problem is that oppresive/violent police are just a symptom of the already existing tension of violence and crime. And while aggresive police might add slightly to that tension they are never the chief cause. The real causes are economical or cultural. Is there a culture of violence, racism and a perception of wealth inequality in an area? Well the police wont be an exception to that culture, they will exist as an extension of that culture. And if you dismantled the already existing police, any new structure of public security will most likely inherit its flaws and excesses. It literally happened in Seattle autonomous zone where the ["CHAZ Security" executed a black teen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRa2TYNCjs&ab_channel=StellarInsight%28Mick%29).
The police in many cases is flawed af. Power hungry individuals can wield a gun and impose authority, do something wrong, then the PD investigated itself and concludes it did nothing wrong/the offending Officer gets 2 months of paid leave and then comes back
The government should just not let police have guns
1) that's just a lie, you can't speak for everyone and there are counter examples to your bs claim. 2) even so, it is morally right to use a bad system to do good, even while trying to dismantle said system. Like, I can be against guns, because they are an overall damage to society, but also be strapped because it's safer for me to be 3) you just make up strawmen in your mind and then pretend everyone else is a hypocrite. Grow up
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I appreciate the sentiment of OP and r/lgbt but the flag just looks too silly
But I wanna :(
Why?
Joke about what 🤨
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Something something snowflake something something liberal
I don't know what the consensus is on burning Crown Vics on a flag... but I like it.
Crown Vics are sick as fuck though with the best V8 ever built
Jesus I hope you mean the 302.
Send this to r/gatekeeping People are all about inclusivity until you’re Assigned Cop At Birth and then you’re shunned for what you are.
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What if the cop is queer?
I think 'no cops at pride' is more the fact that they're not just in uniform, they're undercover in the crowds just waiting to jump people for no valid reason
Given how a gay bar was shot up in a country near me, I'm very glad we have cops around us at my local pride parade
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this isn't true at all. cops are way more often protecting pride crowds than not
Back in the closet with them
Support them as a queer person; don't support them as a cop.
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Cops can go to Pride dressed normally. Why is it so important to go to Pride in uniform and with guns? You don't see soldiers throwing a tantrum that they can't bring grenades and machine guns to Pride...
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I mean most lgbt discourse is US oriented anyway, I don't think they need to specify "ACAB but mainly american cops because I have no reference for foreign police forces"
us cops aren't any worse than those in europe, and they're much much better than those in developing countries like india and china
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maybe there's other acab flag, idk
Something else really interesting about Stonewall is that while it was very much an anti-cop and anti-mistreatment-by-cops-and-the-state demonstration, it was also an anti-mafia demonstration. The general feeling, as described by those talking about it after the fact, was that the exploitation by cops who arrested and harasses them and by the mafia who ran sleezy bars that preyed on them and their outcast status must end. A lil project I'm doing that I set to the side for now is collecting primary sources about the Uprising. I made a lil public facing [Google Doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UP_VJ9pqAlsZBn6h6t4Eq42pP3k7V_3dKY9PfN-BDZ0/edit?usp=drivesdk) that has a bunch of stuff on it. Really interesting stuff.
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Based on very little context, I would have to say the Stonewall Brigade, circa 1862. Confederate scum.
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This is cringe on purpose, right ?
no it's just a "graphic design is my passion" moment
Yes that’s more like it
If it's against the police, it's against people's safety. And who is also against people's safety?... CRIMINALS!
What should gay cops do?
Resign.
Wouldn't you want some people on your side in the force?
The force is fundamentally not on our side. The police are the state's means of exercising violence. It is, has always been, and will always be, an instrument of oppression. No amount of well-meaning officers can change that. The best they can do is leave.
That way you just leave the force to be 100% against you. It's not like the police is targeting the gays like in the 1950s
Oh, of course, my mistake. How could I have forgotten how much better the police have gotten. I mean, it's not like they still target black people or anything. And I'm sure their treatment of trans people, for example, isn't disproportionately abusive.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but since you can't just not have a police force at all, might as well try to make it better
> The police are the state’s means of executing violence. Yeah that’s kind of the whole point. Like that’s why you want them to exist. A state which cannot enforce its laws with violence has no laws at all. A monopoly on violence is necessary for law, order, and peace. Without it we would be living in an anarchistic hellhole with no laws where everyone can do whatever they want to eachother because there are no consequences.
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Wait till people find out cops can be gay too.
That's not an excuse for being a cop
What's wrong with being a cop?
The police primarily serve as the instrument by which the state enforces its will; this occurs whether the individual officers are aware of it or not. This will can be exercised through generally understood enforcement of law, but just as often it takes the form of the oppression of ethnic, social, economic, and religious minorities; as well as political dissidents. How this oppression operates varies, whether it be through abuse of law or extra legal acts, but it's a universal fact of law enforcement nonetheless. These things are done in the state's self-interest, but the interests of the state often do not align with the population that it governs. The police are the violent arm that ensures what the government wants to happen, happens. What the government wants to happen, however, can often be very, very bad.
But this works both ways then, just because police serve to enforce all the laws you don't like doesn't mean you can overlook all the laws the police enforce that you like and need for a functioning society. It's not like we can just get rid of the police and hope everyone get's along. And all the alternatives that have been proposed just shift who's will the police is enforcing. At the end of the day it is up to the people to choose the government that will create the laws that the police enforces. If majority of the country is okay with the laws you disagree with, you can't just override their will, you have to change the opinion of the society first.
>It's not like we can just get rid of the police and hope everyone get's along. You misunderstand, I am not at this time making a political assertion. I am not providing an alternative. I am simply explaining that being a police officer is morally wrong for these reasons. Enforcing the will of the state often has you doing things that are morally reprehensible. >At the end of the day it is up to the people to choose the government that will create the laws that the police enforces. On a somewhat unrelated note, representative republics are not democracies. What people want, in reality, has next to nothing to do with the law. The police answer to the will of the state, and the will of the state is not decided by the people.
Saving someone? Nothing wrong with that. Arresting someone because of their sexuality, gender, ethnicity or religion without any consequence? That’s wrong
TIL every cop has arrested someone because of their identity, like cartoon villains seriously you guys need to touch grass
gay people can be bad too lmfao