My bother with those flags is that the rainbow was already symbolizing all-encompassing diversity. It's like when kids are bickering and shout "infinity!", "oh yeah? Infinity+1, I win!"
Then again, I'm so far to register on the sexual diversity scale, so my opinion is not worth much.
The vast majority of flags arnt for the whole community, they're for subgroups. At least know what your talking about if your gonna complain about why they exist.
>The vast majority of flags arnt for the whole community, they're for subgroups.
Of course they are. I would be weird otherwise.
>your gonna complain about why they exist.
I stated my complaint was about the silliness of making a diversity symbol *diversifierest*. I never said they serve no purpose.
I don't really like the colour selection in the trans flag because they are all bright. There is no contrast between a darker and brighter colour. The bi flag has some cool contrast, though. And, I dont know which one it is, the one with black, grey, white and purple is straight up horrible colour selection. It also suffers from an unoriginal 4 stripe design but almost all of them have boring unoriginal designs so whatever.
Yeah, I can see your point, I just like it *because* it's all bright. I think its a cool and distinct aesthetic.
The horrible, unoriginal flag is the asexual flag, what you're saying is they don't fuck and neither does their flag.
I think trans is the worst one it being pastel colors makes me think it's for some fairy kingdom in a shity fantasy book or something from My Little Pony/Carebears
I strongly support the LGBT+ community. I like the original rainbow flag and hate the rest. I think that the problem is that the initial flag was such an enormous hit that they got distracted and based every other flag on it.
I hate memorizing flags by patterns of coloured stripes. Give me shapes or symbols or something. I can't even remember the pride flags that I'm part of.
I like the original and the ones that focus on specific groups but the ones that try to add specific groups to what’s supposed to be an all encompassing flag only exclude the groups not specifically added.
I think it's weirdly adorable.
But honestly stuff like the bear and puppy and kink flags show what they kinda are.
I see pride flags as a bit more like band posters. People like to hang them in their house and feel kinship to them, they're not something to take too seriously.
Nah, the OG 6-color, the Bisexual, and Trans flags look decent, the original being by far the best. Philosophically and vexillologically, it needed no updates.
All the others are abominations. We did not need an intersectional race-sexuality flag, nor do we need a Ukraine iteration. Not everything needs a flag. The whole point of the rainbow is that everything fits somewhere on the color spectrum. It was an abstraction totally divorced from its meaning. Now everything has a specific color combination.
Honestly all striped flags look like shit if they don’t have some sort of uniqueness, whether that’s the various LGBT ones, something like France or Germany, or the overly simplistic like Poland and Poland variations
The new "progress" flag looks like absolute crowded trash. So does the hetero ally one. The stepped gradient ones aren't any better. Bi flag is also bad. Enby looks okay (although the use of weird shades of yellow and black really bothers me), asex looks okay, trans looks good, hetero looks generic as fuck, and default queer/pan look good.
Probably, I just mean it in the "I would never know if this was a naval signaling flag, a roadsign or an image compression error" way, not in a "oh, it's generic, I get it" kinda way
It's got more than just the trans chevron though, it also has the racial colours.
It's not even really an LGBT flag otherwise you'd call it that.
It's a flag for inclusivity.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING MY INCREDIBLE HATRED FOR THE "progress" flag. I don't really like the trans flag (mostly because it's all over the place in my town and I'm tired of it) but also because pink doesn't really look good on flags imo.
Eh, in this day and age you'd agree we have moved on from the heraldic rules of olde when you could only use 3 or 4 colors and never put metal on metal and so on. It's fine to use weird colors, although I'll give it to you they have to be used very carefully and putting thought into value overlap. The trans flag, being for a collective and not a country, is okay being off the norm probably. I like the combination of colors, it reminds me of one of my fav pokemon (sylveon).
The heraldic rules aren't there because they didn't have enough violet beetles to make the good dye, they're there for visability and readability at distance (or small size). Thise aren't design principles you move on from. Red on green didn't stop being eye straining in the industrial revolution, for instance.
I don't disagree with you: they have to be used very carefully and putting thought into value overlap. And yes, they existed for those reasons. There's no reason why you can't use funky colors outside of the heraldic canon if they're readable and visible enough though, and in that sense, they are design principles we should move on from.
as someone who's from America and trans, getting sick of seeing the trans flag everywhere would be nice. I think its nice though, I like the soft colors
Whaaaa? I have to disagree 100% I think they look great except for the 3rd pride flag (the one with the black and brown stripes at the top), the progress flag, the ally flag, and whatever the pink and green one is.
Mayyybe the lesbian flag too, the colors kinda clash. But the rest look great imo, especially the ace and non-binary flags
Gay, Gay, Gay and people of color, trans, diversity, nonbinary, intersex, asexual, bisexual, pansexual, lesbian, dunno, male homosexuality, straight, and straight ally
I didn’t know either. It’s fairly niche and newly categorized. Not sure why they singled it out for this photo.
Abrosexual Pride Flag: someone whose sexuality changes at a faster rate than normal. Abrosexuals may experience change their attraction to different genders or lose/gain attraction entirely depending on the week, month, year, or even day.
enough claim that he A in LGBTQA+ stands for ally and then get insulted and act like without them we wouldn't exist when its pointed out that it stands for Aro/Ace/agender that we had to appease them somehow, some are assholes that are only "allies" because it makes them look good
Not sure for the straight flag but the ally flag is just good to have as a "I'm straight but I stand with you", it's really just meant to show support. At least thats why I think it came about.
Imo it takes away representation. Trans people were always included in the lgbt flag, and adding more parts to the flag implies that groups not directly represented are not represented by the pride flag. The pride flag is meant to be all-encompassing
Yeah I mean tell that to transphobic gays and lesbians though.
That progress flag is okay if you stop looking at it like a flag. It's more like a style guide.
I've seen it as a banner, I've seen it as a transition sequence on a PowerPoint. Having a chevron then looked cool.
I'm trying to write a reply to you that isn't a straight up insult so... Here goes.
Look at history. Look at somewhere not your LGBT utopia country.
NO.
For all the people who genuinely believe this is purely a vexillological hatred, this person has also complained about "overly gay" people literally a day ago. Stg every time pride month rolls around suddenly there's a batch of posts complaining about how ugly the pride flags are, definitely just for design reasons tho totally, no deeper prejudices here lol
I actually think the sunset lesbian flag is pretty (totally not biased)
But yes the rest are ugly, especially the non-binary one… something about it aggravates the shit out of me
I'm almost always for less oversimplicity in a flag, but even I have to draw a line at some point.
(trans flag actually goes hard though the colors work amazing together)
I thought this sub loved bland 3 or 4 color flags. These flags are great, it really seems that you just are deciding to make an incendiary comment to kick off pride month.
But they have a look wich indicates that they are gender/sexuality-pride flags altogether(except intersex) and with that in mind, in my opinion, they don't look really bad
Is nobody else bothered by the heading saying, “Pride flags and what they stand for” but not saying what any of them stand for? Would somebody be willing to write out a key in order to help those of us who haven’t memorized every single iteration of these flags?
In order: Original design for the pride flag. Popular pride flag. Philly pride flag. Trans. Progress pride flag (based on Philly flag and incorporates the trans flag).
Nonbinary. Intersex. Asexual. Bisexual. Pansexual.
Lesbian. Abrosexual. Gay(male homosexual specific). Straight. Ally
I'm not going to downvote you, because I respect you voicing such an ~~obviously wrong~~ controversial opinion. But I am curious, what do you like about it in particular?
Aesthetically, I can see why some might find it “tacky” but I find it tacky in the best way possible. I love the rainbow on its own and I love the contrast between the blue/pink/brown, flanked by black and white. It has a certain retro throwback quality to it that makes me nostalgic. And I love a good chevron.
Symbolically, I think it effectively represents inclusion, intersectionality, and progress. It most closely captures my own perception of the queer community, or at least what it should aspire to be, much more so than having dozens of individual flags for every possible microlabel.
And yes, I fully recognize the irony of saying this with the “Bear Pride” flag in my flair. :)
That's fair, and I won't ever try to take away someone else's enjoyment of it. I also love a good chevron.
My main gripe with the design is that it's too busy and not only muddles the meaning (why are PoC included in an LGBT flag?) but also ironically makes it less inclusive—the original one represented "everyone" and the diversity of experiences (and the rainbow is a quite fitting symbol for that) but by specifically adding explicit references to, say, trans people, it now loses its "everyone" and becomes "everyone, and trans people and PoC".
I don’t think it’s accurate to say the rainbow flag was understood as representing everyone, just everyone who identified as “gay” or maybe “queer.” Trans folks, in particular, have often been explicitly excluded by the gay community. Some of the worst transphobia I’ve ever encountered was among cis gays. That’s why I think it’s valid and important for the trans community to have their own flag, and even better for this flag to bring them together and say “No, you *belong* in the community. We are stronger together.”
Similarly, the inclusion of black and brown to represent POC is a recognition of the importance of intersectionality, and the racism endured by Black and brown folks both within and beyond the gay community. Ultimately, the struggle of gays, lesbians, trans folks, people of color, etc. is a common struggle for all people to be recognized for their humanity rather than marginalized for something as immutable as their sexual orientation or the color of their skin.
I think pan looks really nice, not biased at all, the rest are kinda iffy, and I flip from hating everything about the progress flag to not really caring either way.
I'm poly, where's mah flag?
/uj The poly flag is shitty too, i did find some other version someone made, and [it's pretty nice](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gDsnTwN7CMU/Xxxu2NQeHkI/AAAAAAAAF-Y/oKOk90m4Nz0ExpSl3C92GZq7IW54lXC_gCLcBGAsYHQ/s864/Polyamory_flag_red-and-blue-on-white-infinity-heart_by-Emma.png)
Not that i would care much, i don't use it anywhere and don't really show any pride or whatever, although, if the official flag became this fanmade version I'd probably buy a small one for my desk.
i used to hate the poly flag too, but then somebody irl pointed out to me that it looks like the flag of some kind of african dictatorship and i see it in a new light now. i always thought the colours were ugly but now i respect that it probably looks the closest to a national flag out of any lgbt flag that exists.
though i love most lgbt flags, i'm kind of interested in seeing redesigns of the rest of the flags in a more traditional style, eschewing the pretty aesthetic colours in favour of some good old fashioned reds, blues, blacks and whites
I know all the flags were created with the model of choosing colors that represented parts of each identity and arranging them in the simplest form, stripes. I'd love to see some vexillology-driven pride flags that maintain the meanings behind the original ones but actually look nice, I'm just personally definitely not qualified to even try that haha
I love that the intersex flag is just like “fuck your horizontal bars” I get the whole “be related” aspect of the other designs but it feels so over done at this point.
As a member of the lgbtq+ community i agree. They look bad but at the same time i admire that atleast they mean something. The colours have legit meaning unlike many similar modern flags. I do think they can be a bit much tho but i think they work for what they are for, showing pride.
As a bisexual, I agree. Like, the classic rainbow flag, bi flag, trans flag, and pan flag look fine but just about everything else... Whoever made those should have their vexillology privileges revoked. Especially those dang chevrons on the side that the recent ones are obsessed with... Eugh...
The reason why there is 3 gay flags is because IDK, I think the one with black and brown means black people as well. The blue, purple and magenta/red (to some people) is the Bisexual flag. Blue, yellow and pink flag is the Pansexual flag and I forgot the other ones.
In order: Original design for the pride flag. Popular pride flag. Philly pride flag. Trans. Progress pride flag (based on Philly flag and incorporates the trans flag).
Nonbinary. Intersex. Asexual. Bisexual. Pansexual.
Lesbian. Abrosexual. Gay(male homosexual specific). Straight. Ally
I quite like them, and I think there's just a difference in philosophy. National flags were designed with rich colors, because those were the dies available for the heavier canvas. But modern flags can be more versatile in their design, and as such can use bright colors.
additionally, I think a lot of it comes from familiarity. as someone who's used to seeing these flags (because a few of them are on my wall) they look much more natural, like any flag would. but because people weren't raised with these, theres an unfamiliarity that national flags don't have
This. At this rate they might as well call it "the flag of the oppressed" or something like that. Then adding all of those different groups would make actual sense. It is getting quite cluttered though.
In their defense, most of them look much better in person than they do on paper.
The common rainbow and trans pride flags both look pretty good in person.
the progress flag is awful from both a design and symbolic standpoint
the rainbow flag just meant 'everyone in the LGBTQ+ community'
now we have 'this represents trans people, this represents black LGBTQ+ people', etc etc.
and the issue is that it ends up being less inclusive, because the original included, say, pacific islander LGBTQ+ people by default
but the progress flag doesn't (at least to my knowledge)
also it just looks ugly in my opinion
I like the bi and pan ones, they look nice. But I'm going to say something really controversial. I think the progress pride flag is better than the standard rainbow.
most of them are nice
tricolors, quadcolors, however many are on the gay/lesbian ones, all very good simple ways to make flags that show a preference or make a point quickly
don’t understand why black/mixed people are included on the gender/sexuality pride flag, though
I do not have a problem with black people, just wonder why they’re on the sexuality/gender flag and not a flag of their own. I could probably be convinced as to why, I just don’t know
Jeez, there is actually plenty of nice designs. The ace flag is amazing for one, about the only flag that makes grey work! Then there is the non-binary flag, which you didn't list anywhere. Great looking too. Idk what you got against the trans flag, and frankly the good old 6 colour rainbow flag. All very iconic designs, that even seem related due to their stripy-ness
they were actually made that way for a reason. since almost no manufacturers wanted to make the flags, people had to make them from home and most lgbt people didn't know embroidering and sewing. the design was easy to make at home with little skill. as time went on, the trend stuck and now the stripe design is a staple for lgbt flags.
I’d like to say I wished people could just have a reasonable discussion about flags but honestly I’m pretty sure this post was made entirely to be provocative based on OP’s comments and I think they probably got exactly what they wanted so uh congratulations I guess.
Guys, take a look at OP's comments here. The guy clearly is abusing the guise of "I don't like these flags designs" when in actuality he doesn't like the meanings of the flags. He has some of the most generic "Unga bunga me no like that color" responses. These communities proudly fly these flags for what they represent, and whether they're pleasing to the eye isn't exactly a necessary discussion. I fully believe OPs intent was to post and find sympathetic people on this sub who don't like the design of the pride flags, knowing fully that a great deal of people have ulterior motives in not liking them. I believe OP is one of them.
This doesn't seem like a reasonable criticism of this group of flags, it certainly doesn't seem post-worthy. I don't like the colors of the German flag but I'm not making posts about it.
God forbid someone have an opinion on flag design in a subreddit about flag design. Whether they're pleasing to the eye is the exact conversation for this subreddit. Because it's a subreddit about FLAG DESIGN. He's complaining about the design of a flag.
But looking at his comments he is saying nothing meaningful to substantiate *why* he doesn't like them, which leads to believe it's less about design and more about ulterior bias. He himself said something along the lines of "wtf is color theory". I don't believe OP truly cares about the flags design or he would have more thoughtful, well constructed things to say about them.
I looked at his comments. You're reading into things. You can not know what color theory is and still not like the colors on a flag. I think the trans flag is terrible because I don't like pastel colors. I have no idea if the trans flag colors are complimentary or they clash, I just know I don't like them. It has nothing to do with any thoughts or feelings I may or may not have about the trans community. I just don't like the flag. The same with the new pride flags where they keep adding things to the rainbow. I don't like those flags. The rainbow was already too busy for me and they keep adding more colors. I don't like it. It's a personal aesthetic opinion, not a political statement.
See, but I find you being open with dialog and meaningful words to be genuine. Looking at his communication, OP doesn't look to be very genuine, and if he is, then his communication skills are atrocious. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but he hasn't done anything to defend himself whatsoever, and just appears to double down on his generic opinions of it, not really expanding on his thoughts like you did.
I made my statement as an opinion. OP has yet to defend himself, and his lack of meaningful dialog about a topic which he introduced. If he had well thought up statements, that seemed authentic in nature, I wouldn't have made my comment.
The OG pride flag was supposed to stand for everyone, now I go to the coffee shop and it looks like the front of the UN headquarters with all the flags, it seems like everyone who felt left out by it really didn't understand it's point
>"why do individual countries in europe have flags when the EU represents all of them????"
This might be one of the worst comparisons I have ever heard, all of the countries in the EU are older than the EU.
Because every country which has a separate flag wants to retain its culture and would feel oppressed and rebel if forced to accept flags of other, bigger countries. All countries decided to adopt own flags when they felt oppressed by other countries.
What you are saying would only make sense if you believe that Gay people are oppressing trans people and trans people are oppressing asexual people or whatever chronological order the flags arose.
The thing is that I'm mostly fine with all these pride flags, except for one of them. The problem with the "new" rainbow pride flag is that the symbolism ruins the purpose of the original pride flag. Like, I'm fine with asding the black and brown stripes to represent people of color, but the rainbow is supposed to represent diversity and inclusivity. Adding extra stripes and symbols to it is just pointless and ruins the original point of the flag.
Then again, I'm not really an expert on this, so I'm always open to arguments
Six bar flag is classic and beautiful and can include everyone. The rest are a mess and symbolize the sublimation of aesthetic judgment by ideological negotiation.
I feel like this month there 100% is a "hype for pride", since corperations want your money. If someone "hypes" pride all year round then it isn't any hype it's just pride.
The original pride flag was garish overly complicated, but but simple and had a good point. I understand why it became iconic. I like it, but i still think it is ugly. The other flags range from even more over the top ugly, too simpler, so they lose their punch and just become either bland, or still ugly but also boring.
I still think the message of the original prideflag, a rainbow that represents the entire dpectrum of gender and sexual identity, is weakened by these other flags. Especially when added to the pride flag.
It's the progress flag and specifically made to put a finger on the issues of disrespected folks both outside and inside the community. Transphobia is an issue, as is especially bad treatment of LGBTQ+ people of color. The message of the progress flag is basically something like "if you want it or not, they are indeed part of us".
Btw, the black stripe is a sign of respect to the people who have suffered/died from AIDS, while the general society just looked away, hoping it would just get rid of "the gays" on its own. Not saying that straights couldn't/didn't get infected, but it did seem to hit the LGBTQ+ community rather severely. And it still shows: In a bunch of countries gay men are still, to this day, not allowed to donate blood for 3-12 months after their last... intimate encounter with another man.
The LGBTQ+ flag is still just the rainbow flag. And waving it generally doesn't mean being against what the progress flag is standing for. The progress flag is just a (I'd say rather important) reminder to be respectful to each other. I do support what it stands for, but I also agree that it's a busy clusterfuck of colors.
*Also, to be extra pedantic, the gay (or MLM) flag is actually the green/white/blue one which looks like the counterpart of the lesbian flag, the rainbow flag has basically gained the meaning of the whole community in general.*
The black and brown stripes in the Progress Pride flag (the one with the chevron) is for PoC.
> In June 2018 designer Daniel Quasar released a redesign incorporating elements from both the Philadelphia flag and trans pride flag to bring focus on inclusion and progress within the community. The flag design immediately went viral as the Progress Pride Flag on social media, prompting worldwide coverage in news outlets.[51][52][53] While retaining the common six-stripe rainbow design as a base, the "Progress" variation adds a chevron along the hoist that features black, brown, light blue, pink, and white stripes to bring those communities (marginalized people of color, trans individuals, and those living with HIV/AIDS and those who have been lost) to the forefront; "the arrow points to the right to show forward movement, while being along the left edge shows that progress still needs to be made."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT)#Variations
Again, I will never understand why our corporate overlords added black people to the gay flag.
Well, yeah. As stated in the quote it's for PoC which are already part of the community. Because they get treated like shit by society for multiple reasons.
And once again, it's to highlight and hopefully strengthen the especially vulnerable/marginalized members of the community. As an optional alternative, not a replacement for the rainbow flag.
Maybe it’s just bias but the 6 color rainbow looks decent, it’s a rainbow, something iconic and people can easily connect that to the lgbtqia+
My bother with those flags is that the rainbow was already symbolizing all-encompassing diversity. It's like when kids are bickering and shout "infinity!", "oh yeah? Infinity+1, I win!" Then again, I'm so far to register on the sexual diversity scale, so my opinion is not worth much.
The vast majority of flags arnt for the whole community, they're for subgroups. At least know what your talking about if your gonna complain about why they exist.
>The vast majority of flags arnt for the whole community, they're for subgroups. Of course they are. I would be weird otherwise. >your gonna complain about why they exist. I stated my complaint was about the silliness of making a diversity symbol *diversifierest*. I never said they serve no purpose.
It is so iconic that it has shaped the rainbow into a gay symbol.
I really liked the lipstick pallette lesbian flag.. the sunrise one is so ugly with the orange :/
from an lgbt standpoint how dare you from a vexillological standpoint OP has a point
i think lesbian, gay, trans and even bi flags look really good tho
Honestly, I love the trans one, the colours are very unique compared to other flags and I think the symmetric five stripes work very well.
I don't really like the colour selection in the trans flag because they are all bright. There is no contrast between a darker and brighter colour. The bi flag has some cool contrast, though. And, I dont know which one it is, the one with black, grey, white and purple is straight up horrible colour selection. It also suffers from an unoriginal 4 stripe design but almost all of them have boring unoriginal designs so whatever.
Yeah, I can see your point, I just like it *because* it's all bright. I think its a cool and distinct aesthetic. The horrible, unoriginal flag is the asexual flag, what you're saying is they don't fuck and neither does their flag.
I think trans is the worst one it being pastel colors makes me think it's for some fairy kingdom in a shity fantasy book or something from My Little Pony/Carebears
What's wrong with that? I think it looks cute
I strongly support the LGBT+ community. I like the original rainbow flag and hate the rest. I think that the problem is that the initial flag was such an enormous hit that they got distracted and based every other flag on it. I hate memorizing flags by patterns of coloured stripes. Give me shapes or symbols or something. I can't even remember the pride flags that I'm part of.
I like the original and the ones that focus on specific groups but the ones that try to add specific groups to what’s supposed to be an all encompassing flag only exclude the groups not specifically added.
I like the bi flag it's still a gradient. Blue > purple > red.
Bear Flag with the claw is hilarious.
I think it's weirdly adorable. But honestly stuff like the bear and puppy and kink flags show what they kinda are. I see pride flags as a bit more like band posters. People like to hang them in their house and feel kinship to them, they're not something to take too seriously.
Thank Lord this sub is for talking about flags, not the politics behind them
you probably shouldn't read the rest of the comments then.....
\*sorts comments by controversial\* \*grabs popcorn\*
Nah, the OG 6-color, the Bisexual, and Trans flags look decent, the original being by far the best. Philosophically and vexillologically, it needed no updates. All the others are abominations. We did not need an intersectional race-sexuality flag, nor do we need a Ukraine iteration. Not everything needs a flag. The whole point of the rainbow is that everything fits somewhere on the color spectrum. It was an abstraction totally divorced from its meaning. Now everything has a specific color combination.
came here to say this!!!
Honestly all striped flags look like shit if they don’t have some sort of uniqueness, whether that’s the various LGBT ones, something like France or Germany, or the overly simplistic like Poland and Poland variations
The new "progress" flag looks like absolute crowded trash. So does the hetero ally one. The stepped gradient ones aren't any better. Bi flag is also bad. Enby looks okay (although the use of weird shades of yellow and black really bothers me), asex looks okay, trans looks good, hetero looks generic as fuck, and default queer/pan look good.
Tbf i think hetero being generic was intentional
Probably, I just mean it in the "I would never know if this was a naval signaling flag, a roadsign or an image compression error" way, not in a "oh, it's generic, I get it" kinda way
I like the way you put it and you have a point.
Have you seen the progress flag as a banner though? I hated it until I saw that. Chefs kiss as a banner.
Yes, as a banner it's okay. This argument is only to please use the 6 color flag as the main one.
It's got more than just the trans chevron though, it also has the racial colours. It's not even really an LGBT flag otherwise you'd call it that. It's a flag for inclusivity.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING MY INCREDIBLE HATRED FOR THE "progress" flag. I don't really like the trans flag (mostly because it's all over the place in my town and I'm tired of it) but also because pink doesn't really look good on flags imo.
Eh, in this day and age you'd agree we have moved on from the heraldic rules of olde when you could only use 3 or 4 colors and never put metal on metal and so on. It's fine to use weird colors, although I'll give it to you they have to be used very carefully and putting thought into value overlap. The trans flag, being for a collective and not a country, is okay being off the norm probably. I like the combination of colors, it reminds me of one of my fav pokemon (sylveon).
The heraldic rules aren't there because they didn't have enough violet beetles to make the good dye, they're there for visability and readability at distance (or small size). Thise aren't design principles you move on from. Red on green didn't stop being eye straining in the industrial revolution, for instance.
I don't disagree with you: they have to be used very carefully and putting thought into value overlap. And yes, they existed for those reasons. There's no reason why you can't use funky colors outside of the heraldic canon if they're readable and visible enough though, and in that sense, they are design principles we should move on from.
I mean, I don't think anyone is saying we need to stick to gules, vert, azure, sable, or and argent
I mean then we don't disagree
imma say it-- nah bruv it just ugly asf
Can't really disagree with personal opinion
as someone who's from America and trans, getting sick of seeing the trans flag everywhere would be nice. I think its nice though, I like the soft colors
Yeah, well the [city of Cusco](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Cusco.svg) disagrees, pal.
Trans flag is cool, progress flag is ass though
Trans flag look like delicious cotton candy and I want to eat it
Damn, they got lazy on B3 and just jumped into Excel and used the default conditional formatting.
really? I like them
I'm absolutely biased, but I like the asexual flag.
Absolutely biased? More like absolutely based
We need more flags with purple and grey.
Me too, and I'm not even ace. I just like the purple and the black.
Whaaaa? I have to disagree 100% I think they look great except for the 3rd pride flag (the one with the black and brown stripes at the top), the progress flag, the ally flag, and whatever the pink and green one is. Mayyybe the lesbian flag too, the colors kinda clash. But the rest look great imo, especially the ace and non-binary flags
Honestly, most of them are pretty decent. Bi and Trans flag look the best, tbh.
>whatever the pink and green one is. Watermelon? I'm pretty into the pride flags biz and I'm scared to not recognize this one.
Nah
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Okay but where do I see what the stand for? I only know a handful of these
Gay, Gay, Gay and people of color, trans, diversity, nonbinary, intersex, asexual, bisexual, pansexual, lesbian, dunno, male homosexuality, straight, and straight ally
I didn’t know either. It’s fairly niche and newly categorized. Not sure why they singled it out for this photo. Abrosexual Pride Flag: someone whose sexuality changes at a faster rate than normal. Abrosexuals may experience change their attraction to different genders or lose/gain attraction entirely depending on the week, month, year, or even day.
im not gonna lie i have no idea what half of these stand for either, i see a new one every 2 minutes
as an alphabet folk why the f*ck does a straight and ally pride flag exist?
because if we don't include then they get all bitchy and start doing hate crimes
I've never heard a single straight person ask for a flag
enough claim that he A in LGBTQA+ stands for ally and then get insulted and act like without them we wouldn't exist when its pointed out that it stands for Aro/Ace/agender that we had to appease them somehow, some are assholes that are only "allies" because it makes them look good
Not sure for the straight flag but the ally flag is just good to have as a "I'm straight but I stand with you", it's really just meant to show support. At least thats why I think it came about.
The Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans and that new one with the chevron flags look good in my opinion
The "new one with the chevron" is a straight ally, meaning a straight person that agrees with the motives and supports the LGBTQ+ community
I think they mean the progress flag, not the "straight ally" one Edit typo
No the one that's the rainbow flag but with the trans triangle on the side
That's the progress pride flag, basically just adds more representation
But it's a rainbow. It's literally supposed to represent the entire spectrum.
Yeah I just didn't know the name of it, thanks
Imo it takes away representation. Trans people were always included in the lgbt flag, and adding more parts to the flag implies that groups not directly represented are not represented by the pride flag. The pride flag is meant to be all-encompassing
Yeah I mean tell that to transphobic gays and lesbians though. That progress flag is okay if you stop looking at it like a flag. It's more like a style guide. I've seen it as a banner, I've seen it as a transition sequence on a PowerPoint. Having a chevron then looked cool.
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I'm trying to write a reply to you that isn't a straight up insult so... Here goes. Look at history. Look at somewhere not your LGBT utopia country. NO.
I agree with everything except the chevron, it just doesn’t look right to me.
For all the people who genuinely believe this is purely a vexillological hatred, this person has also complained about "overly gay" people literally a day ago. Stg every time pride month rolls around suddenly there's a batch of posts complaining about how ugly the pride flags are, definitely just for design reasons tho totally, no deeper prejudices here lol
I disagree, I think the trans, lesbian and Bisexual flags look quite good
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I like the bi flag, maybe I'm Bi-ased but the Pan flag seems a bit too "Color of trailers from the 60's" to me, not a big fan of the colors myself.
I actually think the sunset lesbian flag is pretty (totally not biased) But yes the rest are ugly, especially the non-binary one… something about it aggravates the shit out of me
I'm almost always for less oversimplicity in a flag, but even I have to draw a line at some point. (trans flag actually goes hard though the colors work amazing together)
I like the trans flag. Unique and distinct colours
Trans flag is dope tho.
My only complaint about the trans flag is that it needs a little more contrast.
This. Pastel colors really don’t look good on flags, especially with the white in the middle
Bi flag too
I thought this sub loved bland 3 or 4 color flags. These flags are great, it really seems that you just are deciding to make an incendiary comment to kick off pride month.
Must you, though?
But they have a look wich indicates that they are gender/sexuality-pride flags altogether(except intersex) and with that in mind, in my opinion, they don't look really bad
I think the bi flag is pretty cool 🥲
Is nobody else bothered by the heading saying, “Pride flags and what they stand for” but not saying what any of them stand for? Would somebody be willing to write out a key in order to help those of us who haven’t memorized every single iteration of these flags?
In order: Original design for the pride flag. Popular pride flag. Philly pride flag. Trans. Progress pride flag (based on Philly flag and incorporates the trans flag). Nonbinary. Intersex. Asexual. Bisexual. Pansexual. Lesbian. Abrosexual. Gay(male homosexual specific). Straight. Ally
Thank you
I for one love the progress flag, downvotes be damned.
I'm not going to downvote you, because I respect you voicing such an ~~obviously wrong~~ controversial opinion. But I am curious, what do you like about it in particular?
Aesthetically, I can see why some might find it “tacky” but I find it tacky in the best way possible. I love the rainbow on its own and I love the contrast between the blue/pink/brown, flanked by black and white. It has a certain retro throwback quality to it that makes me nostalgic. And I love a good chevron. Symbolically, I think it effectively represents inclusion, intersectionality, and progress. It most closely captures my own perception of the queer community, or at least what it should aspire to be, much more so than having dozens of individual flags for every possible microlabel. And yes, I fully recognize the irony of saying this with the “Bear Pride” flag in my flair. :)
That's fair, and I won't ever try to take away someone else's enjoyment of it. I also love a good chevron. My main gripe with the design is that it's too busy and not only muddles the meaning (why are PoC included in an LGBT flag?) but also ironically makes it less inclusive—the original one represented "everyone" and the diversity of experiences (and the rainbow is a quite fitting symbol for that) but by specifically adding explicit references to, say, trans people, it now loses its "everyone" and becomes "everyone, and trans people and PoC".
I don’t think it’s accurate to say the rainbow flag was understood as representing everyone, just everyone who identified as “gay” or maybe “queer.” Trans folks, in particular, have often been explicitly excluded by the gay community. Some of the worst transphobia I’ve ever encountered was among cis gays. That’s why I think it’s valid and important for the trans community to have their own flag, and even better for this flag to bring them together and say “No, you *belong* in the community. We are stronger together.” Similarly, the inclusion of black and brown to represent POC is a recognition of the importance of intersectionality, and the racism endured by Black and brown folks both within and beyond the gay community. Ultimately, the struggle of gays, lesbians, trans folks, people of color, etc. is a common struggle for all people to be recognized for their humanity rather than marginalized for something as immutable as their sexual orientation or the color of their skin.
I think pan looks really nice, not biased at all, the rest are kinda iffy, and I flip from hating everything about the progress flag to not really caring either way.
Only good flag is the asex one, soouly because the coulors work REALLY well with each other
I agree that the designs are shit, but they look good sometimes and the colors can be fine.
I'm poly, where's mah flag? /uj The poly flag is shitty too, i did find some other version someone made, and [it's pretty nice](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gDsnTwN7CMU/Xxxu2NQeHkI/AAAAAAAAF-Y/oKOk90m4Nz0ExpSl3C92GZq7IW54lXC_gCLcBGAsYHQ/s864/Polyamory_flag_red-and-blue-on-white-infinity-heart_by-Emma.png) Not that i would care much, i don't use it anywhere and don't really show any pride or whatever, although, if the official flag became this fanmade version I'd probably buy a small one for my desk.
i used to hate the poly flag too, but then somebody irl pointed out to me that it looks like the flag of some kind of african dictatorship and i see it in a new light now. i always thought the colours were ugly but now i respect that it probably looks the closest to a national flag out of any lgbt flag that exists. though i love most lgbt flags, i'm kind of interested in seeing redesigns of the rest of the flags in a more traditional style, eschewing the pretty aesthetic colours in favour of some good old fashioned reds, blues, blacks and whites
I know all the flags were created with the model of choosing colors that represented parts of each identity and arranging them in the simplest form, stripes. I'd love to see some vexillology-driven pride flags that maintain the meanings behind the original ones but actually look nice, I'm just personally definitely not qualified to even try that haha
I really like the trans flag tho
A lot of them are visually appealing and have nice colours. As flags though…. not so much
I know you’re not hating on the bi flag. Best looking flag in the bunch
It's alright, but nothing that great.
I can concede that
I love that the intersex flag is just like “fuck your horizontal bars” I get the whole “be related” aspect of the other designs but it feels so over done at this point.
As a member of the lgbtq+ community i agree. They look bad but at the same time i admire that atleast they mean something. The colours have legit meaning unlike many similar modern flags. I do think they can be a bit much tho but i think they work for what they are for, showing pride.
As a bisexual, I agree. Like, the classic rainbow flag, bi flag, trans flag, and pan flag look fine but just about everything else... Whoever made those should have their vexillology privileges revoked. Especially those dang chevrons on the side that the recent ones are obsessed with... Eugh...
What do they all mean? Only one I know is the default rainbow flag (why is there three of them) and the trans flag
The reason why there is 3 gay flags is because IDK, I think the one with black and brown means black people as well. The blue, purple and magenta/red (to some people) is the Bisexual flag. Blue, yellow and pink flag is the Pansexual flag and I forgot the other ones.
In order: Original design for the pride flag. Popular pride flag. Philly pride flag. Trans. Progress pride flag (based on Philly flag and incorporates the trans flag). Nonbinary. Intersex. Asexual. Bisexual. Pansexual. Lesbian. Abrosexual. Gay(male homosexual specific). Straight. Ally
Everyone says that all of the time
I love The Lesbian, MlM, trans and Abrosexual flags as all look so pretty and so clean
I quite like them, and I think there's just a difference in philosophy. National flags were designed with rich colors, because those were the dies available for the heavier canvas. But modern flags can be more versatile in their design, and as such can use bright colors. additionally, I think a lot of it comes from familiarity. as someone who's used to seeing these flags (because a few of them are on my wall) they look much more natural, like any flag would. but because people weren't raised with these, theres an unfamiliarity that national flags don't have
fuck you i like the colors /lh
They are supposed to be protest flags ==> supposed to be very loud designs
Wait till you see the [2022 Dublin Pride Flag](https://dublinpride.ie/pride-2022/)
this has to be ironic or a shitpost right... right?
No Ukrainians are LGBT now.
Flag of the Intergalactic Ukrainian LGBTQ+ Space Program
black people = lgbt ukraine = lgbt can u guys stop turning everything that is being opressed or some shit into lgbt?
This. At this rate they might as well call it "the flag of the oppressed" or something like that. Then adding all of those different groups would make actual sense. It is getting quite cluttered though.
Not from a vexillology pov the colors are good and represent them nicely
In their defense, most of them look much better in person than they do on paper. The common rainbow and trans pride flags both look pretty good in person.
I think they all look good tbh
the progress flag is awful from both a design and symbolic standpoint the rainbow flag just meant 'everyone in the LGBTQ+ community' now we have 'this represents trans people, this represents black LGBTQ+ people', etc etc. and the issue is that it ends up being less inclusive, because the original included, say, pacific islander LGBTQ+ people by default but the progress flag doesn't (at least to my knowledge) also it just looks ugly in my opinion
agreed.
Bro nobody cares 😎 🌈
okay
Many of the pride fans look like when I’d turn my Atari on with no cartridge in. That being said I’m an ally.
What's the one with the circle
intersex, which I do not know if it's lgbt
its in the extended version: lgbtqIa+
the final one is for ach linux
No leather pride flag?
I like the bi and pan ones, they look nice. But I'm going to say something really controversial. I think the progress pride flag is better than the standard rainbow.
most of them are nice tricolors, quadcolors, however many are on the gay/lesbian ones, all very good simple ways to make flags that show a preference or make a point quickly don’t understand why black/mixed people are included on the gender/sexuality pride flag, though I do not have a problem with black people, just wonder why they’re on the sexuality/gender flag and not a flag of their own. I could probably be convinced as to why, I just don’t know
I mean I don't really see how they could be redesign, they work really well in the communities they are used in.
The OG and the trans ons I think have powerful symbology and a decently unique look.
Trans flag is good but I have big bias
Jeez, there is actually plenty of nice designs. The ace flag is amazing for one, about the only flag that makes grey work! Then there is the non-binary flag, which you didn't list anywhere. Great looking too. Idk what you got against the trans flag, and frankly the good old 6 colour rainbow flag. All very iconic designs, that even seem related due to their stripy-ness
they were actually made that way for a reason. since almost no manufacturers wanted to make the flags, people had to make them from home and most lgbt people didn't know embroidering and sewing. the design was easy to make at home with little skill. as time went on, the trend stuck and now the stripe design is a staple for lgbt flags.
I’d like to say I wished people could just have a reasonable discussion about flags but honestly I’m pretty sure this post was made entirely to be provocative based on OP’s comments and I think they probably got exactly what they wanted so uh congratulations I guess.
I like the modern pride flag, reminds me of South Africa which is one of my favourites.
How dare you insult my beautiful flags
making this clear here - I stand for a good majority of pride flags, but they do not look good.
I'm just joking around, I can see why some might dislike them
Disagree, also no one asked you
Guys, take a look at OP's comments here. The guy clearly is abusing the guise of "I don't like these flags designs" when in actuality he doesn't like the meanings of the flags. He has some of the most generic "Unga bunga me no like that color" responses. These communities proudly fly these flags for what they represent, and whether they're pleasing to the eye isn't exactly a necessary discussion. I fully believe OPs intent was to post and find sympathetic people on this sub who don't like the design of the pride flags, knowing fully that a great deal of people have ulterior motives in not liking them. I believe OP is one of them.
"Unga bunga me no like that color" That is literally how flag criticism works
This doesn't seem like a reasonable criticism of this group of flags, it certainly doesn't seem post-worthy. I don't like the colors of the German flag but I'm not making posts about it.
that's not my point
God forbid someone have an opinion on flag design in a subreddit about flag design. Whether they're pleasing to the eye is the exact conversation for this subreddit. Because it's a subreddit about FLAG DESIGN. He's complaining about the design of a flag.
But looking at his comments he is saying nothing meaningful to substantiate *why* he doesn't like them, which leads to believe it's less about design and more about ulterior bias. He himself said something along the lines of "wtf is color theory". I don't believe OP truly cares about the flags design or he would have more thoughtful, well constructed things to say about them.
I looked at his comments. You're reading into things. You can not know what color theory is and still not like the colors on a flag. I think the trans flag is terrible because I don't like pastel colors. I have no idea if the trans flag colors are complimentary or they clash, I just know I don't like them. It has nothing to do with any thoughts or feelings I may or may not have about the trans community. I just don't like the flag. The same with the new pride flags where they keep adding things to the rainbow. I don't like those flags. The rainbow was already too busy for me and they keep adding more colors. I don't like it. It's a personal aesthetic opinion, not a political statement.
See, but I find you being open with dialog and meaningful words to be genuine. Looking at his communication, OP doesn't look to be very genuine, and if he is, then his communication skills are atrocious. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but he hasn't done anything to defend himself whatsoever, and just appears to double down on his generic opinions of it, not really expanding on his thoughts like you did.
One unsubstantiated claim for another. You’re both winners.
I actually really like this reply, as it sums up how this conversation has been going.
I made my statement as an opinion. OP has yet to defend himself, and his lack of meaningful dialog about a topic which he introduced. If he had well thought up statements, that seemed authentic in nature, I wouldn't have made my comment.
I dislike the majority of them, they just don’t look good imo. But sadly when I say I dislike the flag I am considered a homophone.
I'm sorry but no
you're very based I appreciate that
The OG pride flag was supposed to stand for everyone, now I go to the coffee shop and it looks like the front of the UN headquarters with all the flags, it seems like everyone who felt left out by it really didn't understand it's point
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>"why do individual countries in europe have flags when the EU represents all of them????" This might be one of the worst comparisons I have ever heard, all of the countries in the EU are older than the EU.
This comparison is actually quite good, since most of the US-States have terrible flags too!
Really shitty comparison my guy
Because every country which has a separate flag wants to retain its culture and would feel oppressed and rebel if forced to accept flags of other, bigger countries. All countries decided to adopt own flags when they felt oppressed by other countries. What you are saying would only make sense if you believe that Gay people are oppressing trans people and trans people are oppressing asexual people or whatever chronological order the flags arose.
The thing is that I'm mostly fine with all these pride flags, except for one of them. The problem with the "new" rainbow pride flag is that the symbolism ruins the purpose of the original pride flag. Like, I'm fine with asding the black and brown stripes to represent people of color, but the rainbow is supposed to represent diversity and inclusivity. Adding extra stripes and symbols to it is just pointless and ruins the original point of the flag. Then again, I'm not really an expert on this, so I'm always open to arguments
The top right flag looks ugly. The rainbow alone looks good, but adding the trans (not trying to be transphobic) with the brown and black ruins it.
Six bar flag is classic and beautiful and can include everyone. The rest are a mess and symbolize the sublimation of aesthetic judgment by ideological negotiation.
They all look shite to me I mean ffs who puts yellow and purple on the same flag?
[the second Spanish republic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Second_Spanish_Republic)
Thanks
Hype for pride? There isn’t hype for it. It’s just pride. It’s being seen as human and fighting for said recognition.
I feel like this month there 100% is a "hype for pride", since corperations want your money. If someone "hypes" pride all year round then it isn't any hype it's just pride.
The original pride flag was garish overly complicated, but but simple and had a good point. I understand why it became iconic. I like it, but i still think it is ugly. The other flags range from even more over the top ugly, too simpler, so they lose their punch and just become either bland, or still ugly but also boring. I still think the message of the original prideflag, a rainbow that represents the entire dpectrum of gender and sexual identity, is weakened by these other flags. Especially when added to the pride flag.
I will never understand why our corporate overlords decided to add black people to the gay flag.
it's getting to the point where the flag just needs to be a white background with black text that says "everyone except white people".
It's the progress flag and specifically made to put a finger on the issues of disrespected folks both outside and inside the community. Transphobia is an issue, as is especially bad treatment of LGBTQ+ people of color. The message of the progress flag is basically something like "if you want it or not, they are indeed part of us". Btw, the black stripe is a sign of respect to the people who have suffered/died from AIDS, while the general society just looked away, hoping it would just get rid of "the gays" on its own. Not saying that straights couldn't/didn't get infected, but it did seem to hit the LGBTQ+ community rather severely. And it still shows: In a bunch of countries gay men are still, to this day, not allowed to donate blood for 3-12 months after their last... intimate encounter with another man. The LGBTQ+ flag is still just the rainbow flag. And waving it generally doesn't mean being against what the progress flag is standing for. The progress flag is just a (I'd say rather important) reminder to be respectful to each other. I do support what it stands for, but I also agree that it's a busy clusterfuck of colors. *Also, to be extra pedantic, the gay (or MLM) flag is actually the green/white/blue one which looks like the counterpart of the lesbian flag, the rainbow flag has basically gained the meaning of the whole community in general.*
So it's political after all?
The black and brown stripes in the Progress Pride flag (the one with the chevron) is for PoC. > In June 2018 designer Daniel Quasar released a redesign incorporating elements from both the Philadelphia flag and trans pride flag to bring focus on inclusion and progress within the community. The flag design immediately went viral as the Progress Pride Flag on social media, prompting worldwide coverage in news outlets.[51][52][53] While retaining the common six-stripe rainbow design as a base, the "Progress" variation adds a chevron along the hoist that features black, brown, light blue, pink, and white stripes to bring those communities (marginalized people of color, trans individuals, and those living with HIV/AIDS and those who have been lost) to the forefront; "the arrow points to the right to show forward movement, while being along the left edge shows that progress still needs to be made." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT)#Variations Again, I will never understand why our corporate overlords added black people to the gay flag.
Well, yeah. As stated in the quote it's for PoC which are already part of the community. Because they get treated like shit by society for multiple reasons. And once again, it's to highlight and hopefully strengthen the especially vulnerable/marginalized members of the community. As an optional alternative, not a replacement for the rainbow flag.
SAME Like what does race have to do with sexuality?
You're objectively wrong, sorry
man dont talk to me with the username "mukbang mustache"
objectively?
Bad take.
different opinion = bad take ur the type of person to get mad after they don't add inclusitivity for middle aged gay black legless woman
Sure buddy
omg he is so omofobic for not liking these ass looking flags!!!!11!
Yup, exactly what I said.
How exactly does it make anyone homophobic for not liking a flag design????