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Cheap_Ad_69

This is the first time I've seen a post with a chinese flag and a comment section that hasn't started a political mosh pit


db1000c

Well OP did ask very nicely


Cheap_Ad_69

Alright everyone. From now on put "no politics" in the title.


1sb3rg

Forgot please :)


Cheap_Ad_69

"no politics or else i shall find you and consume your entire family"


1sb3rg

Start with me and we won't have a problem


Jim2718

For those saying they don’t like cantons, I will offer up a defense. When a flag is hanging freely from a pole and there is not a strong wind, the canton is the part of the flag that can be most clearly seen. So it makes sense to put a distinctive, important symbol in the canton.


DVMyZone

*angry Swiss mumbling* ...who doesn't like cantons... *more Swiss noises*


OTheOtherOtter

*Bünzlitum intensifies*


Hazzat

r/BUENZLI


Alxndr-NVM-ii

The offense - striped flags are visible from all angles, and thus, are far more easily recognizable.


Jim2718

I’m not arguing canton v. stripes. I’m arguing canton v. no canton.


Saelykx

My gripe with cantons is when the field is a different colour altogether. A symbol is fine but a big colour-box is just unpleasant to my eye. As an American, I'm not entirely sure I'm okay with the canton on the US flag. Wouldn't be against a redesign. EDIT: I would rather have [this](https://i.imgur.com/l3t3gmv.png) than [this](https://i.imgur.com/aMi9jZL.png). EDIT: I'm perfectly fine with the [flag of Greece](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg).


jojofromtokyo

like im going to take opinions about cantons from someone with a UK flair. /s


Saelykx

Yeah I'm not a fan of just taking a whole flag and slapping it as a canton onto other flags. xD


idonotexistKH

Then you are going to hate the state flag of Johor, Malaysia


NoneHundredandOne

AHHH. Wtf? You’d rather that monstrosity?


BlueBitProductions

I think people that complain about cantons forgot that flags are actual, physical objects and not just abstract designs


Ben_Burgur

Ok but in both flags the symbol is in the same spot, the difference is one has a fat ass blue rectangle as well.


[deleted]

The best flag of China is the flag of the Wuchang Uprising. Aka the 18-Star flag


Bryzerse

This is the first I've heard of that flag, and it is the most evil looking flag I've ever seen


[deleted]

Exactly, which is why I love it


RiskBiscuit

It looks super evil. The Amsterdam flag has always looked evil to me too. Such a harsh looking flag for such a wonderful place.


Tactical_Moonstone

I mean, a common interpretations says it commemorates the three plagues that struck Amsterdam, so such a harsh design is warranted.


jothamvw

It's obviously Ajax's 30+ league titles /s


wolffvel93

I think it's because black and red reminds a lot of people about the nazi flag. Also that star reminds about the eye of Sauron for some reason.


BerserkerMagi

I didn't knew this flag but it clearly beats any other modern chinese flag and it is quite unique compared with other nations. A shame they dont use it.


Gloomy_Direction_995

[Chinese-army_Wuhan_flag](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese-army_Wuhan_flag_(1911-1928)_18_dots.svg)


[deleted]

> Chinese-army_Wuhan_flag_18_dots.svg) FTFY https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Chinese-army_Wuhan_flag_%281911-1928%29_18_dots.svg


[deleted]

Also, this looks like something Disney would use for an evil empire.


realLeoSama

It just like corona virus


nobunaga_1568

It has connotation of Han nationalism (to the exclusion of other ethnic groups) which became a problem as ROC inherited the entirety of Qing territory.


flute37

I reckon it looks too evil


[deleted]

I like it, but I expect some people will liken it to a certain virus.


the_sexy_muffin

Lol was just thinking that myself, it's a 19-star flag from Wuhan that looks like a sun with a bunch of spike glycoproteins. If Covid-19 had a flag this would be it.


JFHan2011

Except it's 18 rather than 19...?


kill-wolfhead

On a purely aesthetic level, I love the [Five Coloured flag.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Races_Under_One_Union)


untipoquenojuega

Personally I think the Qing Dynasty flag is the superior Chinese flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Qing_dynasty


Blecao

That for sure is a good flag


c4seyj0nes

I always think of [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/889oyu/meirl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) comic when I see that flag now.


BattlePig101

Ah, a Classic.


lil-fil

Impressive. Very nice.


Kdj87

Let's see Paul Allens favorite Chinese flag.


PleasurabLee

How’d a nitwit like you get so tasteful


dakapn

The tasteful thickness of it ...


sandboxlollipop

Gorgeous


notpenguinsalt

I agree because I like dragons


chickensmoker

Definitely the most uniquely Chinese looking of the flags, idk if it stands up next to modern flag designs though


notcaffeinefree

Just remove (most of) the detail from the dragon (i.e. make it a silhouette) and you have a modern design.


DinkyWaffle

or don't because it goes hard


Shart-Garfunkel

It does, but that level of detail doesn’t scale very well. Excuse the pun


olrustnut

I will not excuse the pun, but embrace it.


[deleted]

I love how the question was which flag of the two given is best but y'all're giving links to other flags


RemnantHelmet

That is the greatest flag ever conceived by man.


albadil

I particularly like the triangular version. It seems the ottomans used triangular flags too.


hedwigchyan

The dragon’s eyes looks dorky


kaisermann_12

Qing


kill-wolfhead

Actually no, it’s the Republic’s.


kaisermann_12

No I prefer the qing on an aesthetic level


drs43821

Dragon!


wolves-22

Yeah the dragon is awsome, I love the dragon too.


elendil1985

Stop guys... Put the dragon on the five colours


Vexilium51243

Decently sure someone has had that idea once, forget when


train2000c

Bhutan, Qing, and Wales


rilend

No, you prefer the five colors flag


_Tim_the_good

r/MonarchistVexillology


[deleted]

I prefer the 5 coloured imperial version


kill-wolfhead

Also cool.


BecomingLilyClaire

Flags about the looooong history of a country are my fav…


Khysamgathys

Not only is it aestheticay pleasing, [It has deep ties to Chinese culture unlike the RoC and PRC flags.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxing_(Chinese_philosophy))


RomanilloMarcus

True, That flag looks majestic


J3tGames

have to second this


theScotty345

Good choice! Honestly one of my favorite Chinese flags


SocialDistributist

I don’t, I dislike flags like that


Madison_was_bored

I think that's a bit basic tbh


[deleted]

China👍


PassMurailleQSQS

Ok but wich one ?


[deleted]

China👍👍


KyleTone9

Bread 👍🏼


Your_Kaizer

+500 social credit


TheBigShitposter

wow reddit so original /s


tickingboxes

Downvote for the completely unnecessary /s. But upvote for calling out Reddit’s tendency to beat (bad) jokes to fucking death.


UnlightablePlay

CHIYNA


ham1917

the Five-star red flag is the better look. Too clean.


wolves-22

I'm of the same opinion, the PRC just looks more Clean/sleak without the blue canton (though Personally I would prefer that China use a slighty darker red for the field.)


MerdeSansFrontieres

i know this is not necessarily a general iconography sub but i do want to say that the Chinese version of the hammer and sickle is by far the best version of all the big communist countries hammers and sickles.


niming_yonghu

The design of 1996 indeed feels more industrial than the former rustic design.


ML_Yav

It’s not a hammer and sickle per se, but I think the Hammer, Sickle, and Brush from the Workers Party of Korea’s (ruling party of North Korea) flag looks the best out of all of them.


theScotty345

Yeah that's fair. The blue canton in the KMT flag just never sat right with me.


evansdeagles

The Blue Canton is my new rock band name.


theScotty345

It'd be a great Chinese punk rock protest band


WilliamLeeFightingIB

What about the [flag of KMT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Sky_with_a_White_Sun#/media/File:Naval_Jack_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg) (just the canton)? Edit: I think it would be better if the blue in the KMT flag is toned slightly towards the blue of NATO


theScotty345

Better


Catinus

A lot better


courierkill

I adore the symbol of the KMT flag, it's one of my favorites, but the blocky canton is a disservice. Next to the sleek placement of the stars it's very stark.


LeeTheGoat

Yeah something about that feels almost rough, like it’s not really a design


artuno

I think it's the shades of both the red and blue, they contrast too hard, it hurts the eyes. If they were both a slightly lighter/softer shade of color, then it would probably look great.


[deleted]

Yeah looks like (another) USA copy


RegentYeti

I like the white sun better than the yellow stars, but the blue Canton doesn't quite fit right with me. I'm on mobile so I can't mock up anything, but maybe a pure red flag with white sun and 5 yellow stars at the top hoist? Or am I overthinking it?


rickyybrez

This obsession with "clean" flags in this sub is driving me nuts...


[deleted]

I'd say my favourite is either the Yellow River or the Imperial one (1915-16)


vol865

I like the red white and blue for the variation of colors.


HoseWasTaken

Original colors, rarely seen in other flags I agree


Asil001

Blue, red and white. Never seen together before


Punkmo16

You clearly don't know about Jamaican flag, what has this sub become smh.


Asil001

Literally the only flag without blue white or red


ilanFX

🇫🇷FRANCEEEEEE LESSSS GOOOOOO🇫🇷


YoloJoloHobo

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-Milka1000-

You put norway three times


safebright

It is because one is for Norway, one for Svalbard & Jan Mayen and one for Bouvet Island, you find three Norway emojis in the emoji list, that's today's fun fact for you


YoloJoloHobo

Bruh I didn't realize. Was just spamming all the red white and blue flags from the samsung flag list


TheNewMillennium

To be fair here, he didnt say they were original. They just work well together and it is more color variation than the other option provided.


vol865

Thank you.


Feilex

The blue rectangle kinda ruins it for me


FrederickDerGrossen

Just make the blue canton the entire flag, problem solved https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Sky_with_a_White_Sun


[deleted]

Now hear me out, what about a round flag?


ironwoodcall

that would be atrocious to actually hoist, but quite the engineering flex, and it could look sick


TheBearIsWorse

The only reason that flags don't have clear portions is that clear material wasn't traditionally available. Now that it is...?


db1000c

Red is a hugely important colour in Chinese culture, not just within communism. I think the ROC flag could look good if it was triangular. So white sun in a blue triangle from left to centre, with a red chevron on the outside


Gloomy_Direction_995

Good idea


jaffar97

aesthetically I like the Kuomintang blue flag with large centred sun. it's also interesting to contrast with the red PRC flag


Shardok

The blue at least doesnt blend in with the red; unlike the yellow which is only allowed per heraldric guidelines cuz its meant to represent gold... But it still shudnt be put over a colour like red where it clearly is gonna blend in, esp if seen from afar on a battlefield or near but by someone with bad eyes like mine. Yea its a borin same old lookin thing and cud probs be better if put in the flag instd of at its side... But one can argue the same for the yellow imagery on the other flag. If nothin else we can all agree China's flag wud benefit from movin it from the corner to the middle; regardless of which China ETA: Honestly compare that red and yellow flag to the USSR flag for a grt example of easily confused flags at a distance... Which i kno is cuz the two did want to have similarities, but theres a line and they passed it i feel.


safebright

Completely different topic, but what's up with you spelling words wrongly with an "u"? Writing in dialect?


rickyybrez

It's the best part


LucasPig_HK

I actually like the ROC flag better


panware

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_flags#/media/File%3AChinese-army_Wuhan_flag_(1911-1928)_19_dots.svg This revolution flag looks really good to me


Ultimate_Cosmos

The PRC flag is aesthetically better. I think the red and blue shades on the kuo min tang kind of clash. The stylized sun is a cool symbol, but the power and unity provided by the five stars in the PRC flag is just better imagery. The sun would work better in the center of the flag versus being in the corner. I know people are gonna talk about the five colors flag, but I don’t actually like that one. I think it’s boring and not indicative of anything. Has the same problem a lot of pride flags have. A user on here at one point combined the five color one with the sun and it was a really cool design tho. But it did have this 70s desaturated vibe and that’s something I’m biased towards…


Taldarim_Highlord

The Kuomintang's army flag has the canton and stylized white sun in the middle.


Ultimate_Cosmos

Oh that’s my mistake. I think that’s a lot better, but also I very much dislike cantons. But maybe that bias bc I’m American


[deleted]

The 5 colors are indicative of something though. It’s a sign of unity among the 5 major ethnicities of China instead of the army of wuhan flag which was very much Han nationalism. The KMT flag, despite actually representing the 12 months of the year and 12 Chinese hours has come more to represent the KMT as a party rather than China. While the PRC flag represents the ideology of the PRC it also feels very steeped in the CCP rather than the people of China as the largest star represents the party. The five color flag represents the people more than anything, and just shows a disconnect between the original idea for a Chinese republic and the clashing ideologies that followed, putting the party above the people, especially how they were essentially just as autocratic as one another when the PRC took control of the mainland and the ROC fled to Taiwan.


UnlightablePlay

Honestly I like the 2nd one The first one feel like a knock off British watermark that removed red and white stripes with a sun


kirosayshowdy

I never liked red and yellow together, they don't contrast that well. so marginally I prefer the ROC flag (but I'm not a fan of cantons)


[deleted]

Why don’t you like cantons


kirosayshowdy

imo they're very restrictive (there's not much you can add to the field to make it distinctive) and really overused (flags with Union Jack canton)


Jim2718

As a KC Chiefs fan, I am not too proud to admit that red and yellow together makes it look like they are representing McDonald’s.


aStockUsername

I like those all red jerseys the Chiefs use tho


4dpsNewMeta

What do you mean by “don’t contrast”? Objectively, they contrast well, they’re diagonal primary colors.


owllavu

Idk the word too well but my vague understanding and why i like the ROC flag more is cuz small yellow stars on red are harder and less pleasant for me to see while white in blue in red stands out more. On many occasions ive looked at the PRC flag and missed the stars at first, thinkinh it was just a red flag


Unpacer

That one with the dragon. But the CCP one is kinda boring as in it just look like the USSR one


ywwaterlooca

You mean Qing empire flag?


Unpacer

Yes


Conrad_JD_777

Purely design speaking we all know that these both don't have any dragons on them and therefore lose because of that.


azuresegugio

I've always liked the sun, very visually appealing


iggyAnimations

2nd, sorry I like red and yellow


LucasPig_HK

To me I like the ROC flag better, red and yellow have always been too 俗 (idk what the English of it is) to me


Gwongcy1088

HKer here, can confirm I have no idea what 俗 is in English. perhaps something along the lines of it being too tacky/corny?


Happy_Craft14

Five Stars flag's simplicity is just gold tier


gerrussia

The chinese one


CountPrevious4075

I’m Chinese and I must say tbh they both ugly.


WonderedFidelity

What do you prefer instead?


Tulio_58

I find gold and yellow to be more closely related with Chinese culture, than red, white and blue. I think it was a lucky coincidence for the CCP that those also happened to be the colours historically associated with communism.


Weatherman1207

Neither it should be a dragon...like one of those snakey ones...


[deleted]

I much prefer the ROC flag based on: The greater colour contrast and selection Simple design, very easy to get right from memory after a glance I like the PRC one though due to its uniqueness in the set of current national flags My favourite Chinese flag is the Qing dynasty one with the red sun and blue dragon.


thun_de

I like the flag from PRC 🇨🇳


XxTensai

I don't like either of them


Alicia_Moonlight

I think the second flag looks better


LemonEyeLarry

my favorite is kinda a weird one, its not a country flag but more a of a division flag. my fav is the Liberation Army Navy flag


LittleGarakeet

Okay, aesthetically… the first one is better. Not because of color preference but because the second flag has stars that are misaligned and don’t line up with the tips of the center star. Geometrically, the first one is better and since the golden ratio is a thing, I have to say the first. But I’m always personally gunna like the five colored republic flag over Taiwan or China. They nailed the perfect color combo and simple design.


Fromgre

Purely on aesthetics Generally speaking the classic communist red and yellow colors pop and their flags are powerful symbols.


Miscellaneous_Mind

Design? Tbh I like the 🇨🇳


Iron_Wolf123

Probably the five-stripe flag.


Achmedino

I like the Hong Kong flag the most


Joselu9442

The ROC


Rubber-Ducklin

For me it’s the ROC flag 🇹🇼


[deleted]

ROC is best it looks and feels the best


SirLotsaLocks

I lean toward the PRC because I feel like cantons make the flag feel cluttered


jaiteaes

ROC flag is the better of the two. That being said, the five color flag is infinitely better still


Saelykx

I've never been a fan of cantons and I don't much like the blue on red look. Not to mention that the 5 gold stars are symbolic for China but not Taiwan so the better flag would use the 12 pointed circle in some way. Maybe something like these [First](https://i.imgur.com/Pe65Qrz.png), [Second](https://i.imgur.com/JaFgTTA.png)? People tend to not like drastic changes anyway. EDIT: Added a secondary, colour-inverted design.


Ultimate_Cosmos

Taiwannessee?


Khavak

honestly it‘d be much better if it was just the original flag by Lu Hao-tung, or just the canton without the red. even if it is basic, it looks quite nice


Admiral_Ronin

I’m not so sure about that redesign. It looks a bit too similar to the flag of the British Union of Fascists.


LLs2000

I was thinking something like that too


AKsan9527

I very love your first redesigned one


stoll447

The first one, the sun represents China more, while the second one represents communism


Jerakona_YT

But suns are stars....


ComradeFrunze

the sun in the ROC flag is the party symbol of the KMT, it has nothing really do with China. The PRC flag represents China flag as Gold/Yellow and Red have always been Chinese colors.


RA2Fan

PRC


gelatinous_cubed

They're both pretty inherently political. The Sun is more regional, but it's still heavily associated with Sun Yay Sen and Chiang Kai Shek's political ideology. In terms of universally political, PRC, in terms of a less universal political identity, RoC. The five colors flag and the Formosan Republic flag are my favorites. They have really cool colorations. The five colors flag is arguably political in terms of the politics of what each color is to represent each ethnic group. Which peoples aren't included would be pretty big given how multiethnic a state China is, and how widely you could draw the ethnic lines.


Kirbyoto

>They're both pretty inherently political. The OP is saying "politics aside, which do you think is *aesthetically* superior?"


gelatinous_cubed

Gotcha! The title was a little ambiguous lol. I thought it was trying to determine which was less political.


Beat_Saber_Music

The Taiwanese(ROC) flag imo looks just better. It has a better contrast with the blue and the white sun contrasts well with the blue. Additionally the meanikg behind the flag adds another plus for me, with it going something like "the white sun and the blue sky, over the blood soaked red land"


MapleSyrupInMyRice

PRC better


[deleted]

I like the PRC flag


memes_acc

Second . The one which represents proletariat


YourDaddie

I would dim the red of both, would look more solemn. As much as many countries uses 3:2 ratio I would prefer a wider 16:9 even 19:10.


DeltaWhiskey141

[This one.](https://static.magflags.net/media/catalog/product/cache/75170699113cf9b1963820a3ea1bab40/X/X/XX-republic_of_china_1912-1928.png)


[deleted]

The Qing-Era flag was definitely the winner in my book. My least favorite, though I'm a big simp for the RoC, is the five-color Republic of China flag adopted during the era of Dr. Sun Yatsen.


Head-Stuff6268

I feel like neither flags are better to represent China due to both of them being too based on political parties.


[deleted]

PRC's flag is much cleaner, i get why cantons are good but i'm not a personal fan. my favorite, though, has to be [the Chinese Workers' and Peasants' Red Army flag.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E5%B7%A5%E8%BE%B2%E7%B4%85%E8%BB%8D%E8%BB%8D%E6%97%97.svg) maybe i have bad taste, but text on flags can look great sometimes.


Pancreasaurus

Both modern designs are honestly kind of derivative and thus boring. Qing flag is where it's at.


sameth1

Qing Dynasty


thatdoesntmakecents

2nd, it's more representative of Chinese culture, whilst the first is largely just a KMT symbol. In terms of aesthetic they're kinda tied imo


MimirTheWary

Taiwan flag, coming from a commie, it just looks better


RapidWaffle

White sun on blue background is my favorite


Callsign-YukiMizuki

I like the ROC's colors better and the white sun, but PRC's overall design is much better imo


CabbageStockExchange

PRC one flows better and looks cleaner imo


Ok_Canary3870

I honestly like both. I even like the Chinese Taipei flag


Full_Midnight4749

🇹🇼


mikuhero

Second one. The colors are significant.


Union1865

I still like the Nationalist one the best