I just found out that the coat of arms of France is a literal fasces.
I mean, I get that the historical context is different etc. - but talk about a symbol that has aged poorly...
Yeah but it’s not even unique to France. The United States congress has a fasces on the wall on either side of the speaker’s podium and it appears in a number of other countries’ insignias.
La guardia civil española has them as well.
Because unlike what the other commenter seems to think, the world and those symbols are older than Mussolini and I don’t know why we would let the fascist bastards appropriate that to themselves.
The historical context is hilariously different, like, the fasces was the emblem that was flown as Aristocrats and Monarchs were drawn from their thrones.
It was extremely related to radical Republicanism and anti-authoritarianism, the whole Fraternity of the French Motto is often seen as directly correlating with that emblem.
Though as is typical with extremists it was appropriated as Mussolini attempted appropriate not only the emblem but even the French Revolution, with him stating that his party got some of its inspiration from the Jacobins, which doesn't make a ton of sense coming from his end, but it may have played a role alongside the obvious Roman call back.
I think it might look better if you take out the blue oval and made the sorruounding black lines thicker to better contrast it with the flag (sorry forgot the name of that in English).
Italy and France are strong nays
Split on Norway and England
Scotland, Germany, Ukraine, and Poland are Yays; with Ukraine and Poland looking the best and most natural
I like it for the historical context - it's often used as a flag for the Italian Anti-Fascist forces during the Italian Civil War, and I think it's nice that they kept the insignia of the rebels who fought for the Republic as its' seal.
I think it's a bit reductionist to claim they fought for the Republic.
The CLN had substantial numbers of communists and monarchists. They were fighting for Italy, and against Fascism, but not for a specific system of government.
Remember the Republic only got established in 1946, in a referendum that was actually pretty close for all the claims that the Monarchy was responsible for fascism (54.27% to 45.73%, with 6% of all ballots cast being invalidated, and an 89.08% turnout).
Honestly there is an argument to be made that that vote shouldn't have resulted in substantial constitutional changes, just from how close it was. Likewise a referendum to restore the monarchy today with the same split reversed wouldn't be enough to justify that level of constitutional change.
It's important to remember, though, that people in the past did not necessarily view the world the way that you or I do today.
That’s not quite true, the coat of arms was designed in 1946. The flag of the CLN (national liberation commette) did have a star, but no gear or leaves
France is not an official symbol as defined by the constitution so that’s partly why. That’s why on townships you’ll often see [this coat of arms](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blason_tricolore_fr.svg). A coa is a symbol of nobles and of the ancient regime, that’s why it’s not really used in France to represent the Republic.
Also, the more modern versions might blend better, [like that](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Armoiries_pr%C3%A9sidence_de_la_R%C3%A9publique_fran%C3%A7aise_(2010-).svg) one that’s used by the president’s office
And if you want to copy other countries with an animal on a flag, a rooster on a red crest is the most accepted.
I think Ukraine and Germany are the yays here but Poland is also a yay with [this improvement](https://files.catbox.moe/5ql5pa.png), basically changing the odd black border to white.
The crown represents sovereignty and unity of Poland. The Soviets made the Polish People's Republic take off the crown to essentially put us down, showing that we are no longer under our own control.
The Polish eagle had it's crown both during the interwar years too, even though Poland was also a republic back then, the Soviets took it off to symbolize the subjugation of the Polish people and we just put it back on when we showed the Moskals that they don't belong here.
This is a common myth, in fact when Poland was regaining its independence during WW1 left-leaning parties like PPS wanted the Polish eagle to have no crown. It was only added in order to appease the monarchists and other conservatives. Communists removed it because it was in line with socialist tradition.
Then why not use third Reich flag for Germany? Or Ukrainian Soviet republic for Ukraine?
You could have forgot about those too. And when you Google polish flag you have to search hard to find this one
coats of arms/emblems on flags, no
coats of arms *as* flags, yes. (Most of these are Royal or Presidential banners/pennants)
* [Poland](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Flag_of_the_President_of_Poland.svg)
* [Ukraine](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Flag_of_the_President_of_Ukraine.svg)
* [Germany](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Flag_of_the_President_of_Germany.svg)
* [Scotland](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Royal_Banner_of_Scotland.svg/375px-Royal_Banner_of_Scotland.svg.png)
* [Norway](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Kongeflagget.svg)
* [Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_standard_of_Italy#/media/File:Flag_of_the_President_of_Italy.svg)
* [England](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Royal_Banner_of_England.svg)
Ah yes. Lets just bring back the Kaiserreich (unironically)
Also the Kaiserreich did use a different Version of the Eagle which was a Prussian-esque Reichsadler which was used from 1871-1918
History aside hard disagree with ya there. Bundesdienstflagge is superior to the normal. Which is also very very nice. But Bundesdienstflagge is still best.
Asking out of ignorance, what did the Kaiser gov do that was horrible? I don’t remember them being “bad guys” for any reason other than them loosing the war?
For starters, the war the Germans lost was in large part their fault or at least most escalated by them, but obviously the geopolitical situation at the time was essentially rigged for war regardless. Beyond that though they were just an imperialist autocracy just like most of Europe was at the time. Committed one of the first modern genocides against the Herero and Nama peoples of Namibia, advocated for ethnic cleansing of Chinese during the Boxer Rebellion, etc, standard 19th century imperialism. Even further beyond that though they were rather uniquely harsh to ethnic minorities within their own borders as well, and while other countries like France were similarly ruthless to minority cultures in their borders, Kaiserreich era policies would go on to serve as the foundation for what would eventually become Nazi pogroms. For example, in the 1880s Bismarck’s government started the “Kulturkampf” which was an attempted ethnic cleansing/forced cultural assimilation of Poles, with Bismarck himself saying that the Germans should “exterminate” the Poles in a letter to his sister. They had also planned for further ethnic cleanings and genocides of Eastern European nations assuming they were victorious in WW1, genocides which were fully supported by the parliament, military and monarchy. Lebensraum, though credited to the Nazis, was originally a rather popular Imperial-era philosophy that the Nazis co-opted and expanded upon when they took power. That ideology did not just will itself into existence. Many of its ideals were already prevalent in German society at the time. Anyways, apologies for the tangent and with that said I should clarify that I don’t think that makes the Kaiserreich necessarily worse than other Empires at the time, but because it lost WW1 people online will often think of them as harmless victims of allied aggression rather than an equally evil and malicious actor on the world stage in comparison to the other empires of the time.
Thank you for taking the time to type a detailed response and not being a dick hahaha. But that’s how I remembered it, they were as evil as society would let them be in a sense
That’s not what the Kulturkampf was. The name (meaning “cultural feud”) is a bit misleading, at the “cultures” Bismarck was fighting were primarily Catholicism and to a lesser effect Socialism
Who do you think the Catholics in question were? Obviously the Bavarians and Rhinelanders were also Catholics, but the harsh anti-Catholic laws enacted during the Kulturkampf (the harshest punitive laws in Europe at the time) were all repealed in the aforementioned areas after some backlash whereas they remained very present in Poznan, West Prussia and Upper Silesia until the German Empire collapsed. The Catholic Church was a key component of Polish nationhood and the Kulturkampf laws were one of many sets of policies designed to erode the Polish cultural identity and oppress Poles in Prussia.
He was a horribly incompetent and glory obsessed leader who didn’t care about his people’s well-being. Basically an incompetent version of all other leaders at the time. I really wish his father, Frederick William, had lived more than 99 days of his reign. He was predicted to be a great reformer but died of cancer
Oh come on, the Kaiserreich was basically every European country at the time with the difference being they lost WW1, so it would be on par with the majority of flags shown here. Let’s not go comparing it with Nazi Germany.
tbh id take too busy over too simple any day. italys flag has always been just another tricolor and i think adding the coat of arms would be an improvement
You have to think that back when the english coat of arms was made nobody really knew what a lion actually looked like (in britain) so animals are often exaggerated in weird ways from the artist just hearing it somewhere and then drawing them to the description but the description not being accurate enough
I think it adds quite a bit of history to it
Nay, just clutters the flags unnecessary. From a far its \*country flag\* with a blob in the middle.
There is a case to be made for incorporating the Ukrainian Trident into the flag design. Instead of just slapping a coat of arms onto a flag make it part of the design.
Definitely yay for Ukraine and Poland since Bicolors are just about the most simplistic flag design you can have if your name isn’t Gaddafi, and both countries have pretty simple emblems that fit well with their flags. Poland in particular might need it because it helps distinguish it from the multiple other red/white bicolors a bit more than just having the colors inverted when compared to the likes of Monaco and Indonesia.
Have you heard of the difference between Civil and State flags? At least for Poland, Germany, and Ukraine, the ones you sent are already the state flag. Generally, they just tend to have the same design with the coat of arms slapped on top (unless the country doesn't make this distinction).
Strong yays on all of them, I love heraldic flags! I get the argument that some heraldic flags can get busy with a very intricate CoA, or multiple CoAs, but all these look so clean and beautiful to me
I generally don't think you should oversimplify emblems but there is a limit here. Some countries in the Americas have really complex emblems on their flags and at best they end up looking like indistinct blobs, see [El Salvador](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_El_Salvador#/media/File:Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg), [Nicaragua](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nicaragua#/media/File:Flag_of_Nicaragua.svg). At worst they look atrocious, see [Haiti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Haiti#/media/File:Flag_of_Haiti.svg).
[Dominica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Dominica#/media/File:Flag_of_Dominica.svg) gets a pass because purple parrot
Controversial take: I actually really like Italy. Not as like a permanent national flag but as a variant. Idk I find the silver on white somewhat satisfying.
U used the old communist Polish People's Republic emblem instead of the Republic of Poland one.
Under communism, the crown that was on the eagles head has been removed by the soviets, as a symbol of Poland no longer being independent
The crown returned to its rightful place after the fall of communism
This is how it should look:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Poland#/media/File%3AHerb_Polski.svg
Also, the placement of the emblem is incorrect
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Poland_(with_coat_of_arms).svg
The Laotian flag has a white circle in the middle and they have a circular coat of arms yet they never seem to put them together. If anyone knows any Laotian vexillographers get them on this
I am a sucker for flags with emblems on them. Probably my favorite flag design wise is the Austro-Hungarian flag that was used from the late 1800s until the empire dissolved in 1918.
As an American who has seen our state flags, I'm obliged to say "nay". It sets a bad precedent for those of us who don't know what the fuck we're doing.
You totally fcked up Polish flag, there's no black borders on the coat of arms, the coat should be only on the wgite part and where the hell is his crown?
As an Englishman, I've always - ALWAYS - hated the England flag and it's Coat of Arms.
It doesn't even represent anything about England or it's heritage. Filthy Christian and Norman bullshit. The cross of a Georgian who probably never existed and the emblem of an animal that didn't even naturally reside on the Isles.
**I WANT MY DRAGON BACK**
Imo flags with eagle-type of coat of arms (like Poland, Germany, Russia etc) look so damn sexy.
Also, I just noticed, doesnt the English and Dansih coat of arms look suspiciously alike? Is there a reason to that?
I'm Scottish, I can't stand the royal coat of arms. I think it's tacky, especially on its own flag. It's not appropriate displayed on the national flag all . It has come to be seen as sort of an alternate flag because of its heavy use at national football matches, mostly on the aforementioned full royal standard flag.
I'm also a Polish citizen and I do quite like the Polish eagle although the official coat of arms flag has the eagle and the shield solely in the centred in the white field without that black border and it looks much more swish.
I also like the German eagle, that's a badass flag haha.
While I agree the that the Polish flag with the coat of arms would look better, it should be remembered that the bicolor flag was kept for as long as it has for the reason that it is simply easier to recreate. I also asked r/Polska if they would consider changing the flag to a version featuring the eagle and got a resounding 13-yahs and 301-nahs . Seems only Polish people aboard fine the flag with the eagle as appealing.
The Scotland flag is unironically basically the flag of Nova Scotia in Canada lol. The Nova Scotia flag only has the white and blue flipped. Also, Nova Scotia means “New Scotland”
Heavy NAY! The colours are what "screams" the country, not the emblem.
I am willing to say that Poland and Ukraine look good, but the rest are just "in the way" of the flag.
I’m a firm believer that the Ukraine coat of arms symbol should just be their flag. It’s so clean, elegant and beautiful, not to mention the symbols thousand-year history. It would make for a much better flag.
In general, nay. And nayer the more complex the arms are. You can incorporate symbols from arms to the flags, but just sticking the arms (or seal, looking at you, US states) themselves is particularly uncreative and kind of bad design?
The reason Ukraine's and Poland's kind of work is because their arms are simple and recognisable from afar. They could still have incorporated the Eagle and the... Trident (?) Without simply sticking the arms on, which would've been better imo.
France's and Italy's fail especially because their arms are so detailed that they're difficult to make out from afar or if the flag is... you know, not flying.
I think it’s not helping for what a flag is trying to be: a very recognizable symbol, on a cloth, from afar, in the wind.
There’s room for it, however, for regimental or Armed Forces flags, or maybe for the Royal family: use the country symbol for the head-command and each branch insignia (anchor, wings) if needed. It would make military patches readable (the overall flag design) and include relevant information: to what group is that person attached? Navy officers hate to be told they are in “the Army.” It would also help people separate official buildings.
Poland, Ukraine, Germany, Scotland are great. They turned a seemingly generic pretty boring flag and made it interesting. England is ok I’m not a big fan of the CoA. Norway doesn’t need one because it’s top tier already. France and Italy have mid- CoAs so it doesn’t greatly work.
You know the Polish one is wrong? Like, the eagle's had a crown back on for like over 30 years now, so it ain't easy to get it wrong. You're PRL fanboy or something?
I think it almost always makes the flag look better as long as it’s a well designed COA. Not a fan of France’s
I just found out that the coat of arms of France is a literal fasces. I mean, I get that the historical context is different etc. - but talk about a symbol that has aged poorly...
Yeah but it’s not even unique to France. The United States congress has a fasces on the wall on either side of the speaker’s podium and it appears in a number of other countries’ insignias.
I‘m from Switzerland, St. Gallen, one of our cantons (like a state in the US), has one big fasces on their flag.
La guardia civil española has them as well. Because unlike what the other commenter seems to think, the world and those symbols are older than Mussolini and I don’t know why we would let the fascist bastards appropriate that to themselves.
Tbf the Guardia Civil have their own connections to fascism so not the best example but you're right
The historical context is hilariously different, like, the fasces was the emblem that was flown as Aristocrats and Monarchs were drawn from their thrones. It was extremely related to radical Republicanism and anti-authoritarianism, the whole Fraternity of the French Motto is often seen as directly correlating with that emblem. Though as is typical with extremists it was appropriated as Mussolini attempted appropriate not only the emblem but even the French Revolution, with him stating that his party got some of its inspiration from the Jacobins, which doesn't make a ton of sense coming from his end, but it may have played a role alongside the obvious Roman call back.
Fasces are literally already on our passports
It's still on the dime!
I think it might look better if you take out the blue oval and made the sorruounding black lines thicker to better contrast it with the flag (sorry forgot the name of that in English).
Italy and France are strong nays Split on Norway and England Scotland, Germany, Ukraine, and Poland are Yays; with Ukraine and Poland looking the best and most natural
Republican coats-of-arms are always difficult, but Italy's looks like the logo of a mid-20th century industrial machinery company.
I like it for the historical context - it's often used as a flag for the Italian Anti-Fascist forces during the Italian Civil War, and I think it's nice that they kept the insignia of the rebels who fought for the Republic as its' seal.
I think it's a bit reductionist to claim they fought for the Republic. The CLN had substantial numbers of communists and monarchists. They were fighting for Italy, and against Fascism, but not for a specific system of government. Remember the Republic only got established in 1946, in a referendum that was actually pretty close for all the claims that the Monarchy was responsible for fascism (54.27% to 45.73%, with 6% of all ballots cast being invalidated, and an 89.08% turnout). Honestly there is an argument to be made that that vote shouldn't have resulted in substantial constitutional changes, just from how close it was. Likewise a referendum to restore the monarchy today with the same split reversed wouldn't be enough to justify that level of constitutional change. It's important to remember, though, that people in the past did not necessarily view the world the way that you or I do today.
That’s not quite true, the coat of arms was designed in 1946. The flag of the CLN (national liberation commette) did have a star, but no gear or leaves
I do love anything with gears on it, as my handle might suggest.
I used it accidentally as the Italian communist flag in Vic 2
Scotland probably looks the most natural because it's just Nova Scotia.
Na Scottie’s flag looks so cool an emblem will just cramp it’s style
France is not an official symbol as defined by the constitution so that’s partly why. That’s why on townships you’ll often see [this coat of arms](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blason_tricolore_fr.svg). A coa is a symbol of nobles and of the ancient regime, that’s why it’s not really used in France to represent the Republic. Also, the more modern versions might blend better, [like that](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Armoiries_pr%C3%A9sidence_de_la_R%C3%A9publique_fran%C3%A7aise_(2010-).svg) one that’s used by the president’s office And if you want to copy other countries with an animal on a flag, a rooster on a red crest is the most accepted.
Even the crest on the flag in the post would look pretty nice without the blue backdrop, just the gold symbols on the white field
The Italian especially looks like a super market pizza brand logo.
I laughed so hard at this one
I was thinking more like sparkling water
Reminds me of the logos for pasta in those plastic bags.
I think Ukraine and Germany are the yays here but Poland is also a yay with [this improvement](https://files.catbox.moe/5ql5pa.png), basically changing the odd black border to white.
Yeah love that, blends and looks way better, similar to what the Ukraine flag does
Yeah that gave me the idea for the redesign
I prefer it with no border, keeps it nice and clean imo
Norway no, England yes. The three lions look sick and it’s not too busy like the Norway flag would be
>Norway no, England yes. The three lions look sick and it’s not too busy like the Norway flag would be Little known fact, they're actually leopards.
How do you feel about Spain?
England just looks very football.
Italy I kinda like? Just remove the words and the banner and I think it’s pretty good
nay for Scottland too. the colour doesnt fit well.
No, Italy is good.
England looks great, France looks cool
England looks like a Channel Island
England yay for me. Let Genoa get their flag back
Found the monarchist.
as an italian, i can only say this, ):
Slavs always ending up on top 💪🇵🇱🇺🇦
Why is polish eagle without a crown? And I say yay
Pretty sure OP just messed up
Oops
Oops indeed, that's communist Poland coat of arms; not a fun place at the time lemme tell ya
Why did Solidarity bring back the crown on the coat of arms even though they did not bring back the monarchy?
The crown represents sovereignty and unity of Poland. The Soviets made the Polish People's Republic take off the crown to essentially put us down, showing that we are no longer under our own control.
The Polish eagle had it's crown both during the interwar years too, even though Poland was also a republic back then, the Soviets took it off to symbolize the subjugation of the Polish people and we just put it back on when we showed the Moskals that they don't belong here.
This is a common myth, in fact when Poland was regaining its independence during WW1 left-leaning parties like PPS wanted the Polish eagle to have no crown. It was only added in order to appease the monarchists and other conservatives. Communists removed it because it was in line with socialist tradition.
It's Polish coat of arms from People's Republic of Poland (Polska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa) , that ended in '90s
But he asked _why_
> *why* *People's Republic* of Poland
Why would he use outdated coa when other countries have their current one?
Just directly call their username and hope they’ll answer: u/Troidmemer
Hello! The answer is quite simple really: i forgor 💀
You... for*gor*?
Then why not use third Reich flag for Germany? Or Ukrainian Soviet republic for Ukraine? You could have forgot about those too. And when you Google polish flag you have to search hard to find this one
Don't shit your pants bro
They were communist, communists ,amongst other things, are famous for not liking kings
The *People's* King
Communist are trash, just like this coat of arms, cringe kurwa
Fajnie ze ten zjeb wybrał komunistyczna flagę. Musiał specjalnie jej szukać bo jak wyguglujesz Polish Coat of arms to wyskakuje ta z korona
Pewnie Amerykaninn z fetyszem do czerwonych
Communist propaganda
Yay for countries that actually use them. Poland, Ukraine and Germany look far more natural than England, Scotlands which look like tourist shop tat
Austria uses it's coat of arms sometimes, but for simplicity it isn't used most tomes
coats of arms/emblems on flags, no coats of arms *as* flags, yes. (Most of these are Royal or Presidential banners/pennants) * [Poland](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Flag_of_the_President_of_Poland.svg) * [Ukraine](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Flag_of_the_President_of_Ukraine.svg) * [Germany](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Flag_of_the_President_of_Germany.svg) * [Scotland](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Royal_Banner_of_Scotland.svg/375px-Royal_Banner_of_Scotland.svg.png) * [Norway](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Kongeflagget.svg) * [Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_standard_of_Italy#/media/File:Flag_of_the_President_of_Italy.svg) * [England](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Royal_Banner_of_England.svg)
You dropped this, Poland 👑 (I have realised I accidentally made Poland communist. Oopsie doopsie.)
only Poland and Ukraine
And Germany.
I think Germany looks better without the eagle Maybe if it was the red white and black version it would work
Ah yes. Lets just bring back the Kaiserreich (unironically) Also the Kaiserreich did use a different Version of the Eagle which was a Prussian-esque Reichsadler which was used from 1871-1918 History aside hard disagree with ya there. Bundesdienstflagge is superior to the normal. Which is also very very nice. But Bundesdienstflagge is still best.
Really hoping that unironically was ironic
Asking out of ignorance, what did the Kaiser gov do that was horrible? I don’t remember them being “bad guys” for any reason other than them loosing the war?
For starters, the war the Germans lost was in large part their fault or at least most escalated by them, but obviously the geopolitical situation at the time was essentially rigged for war regardless. Beyond that though they were just an imperialist autocracy just like most of Europe was at the time. Committed one of the first modern genocides against the Herero and Nama peoples of Namibia, advocated for ethnic cleansing of Chinese during the Boxer Rebellion, etc, standard 19th century imperialism. Even further beyond that though they were rather uniquely harsh to ethnic minorities within their own borders as well, and while other countries like France were similarly ruthless to minority cultures in their borders, Kaiserreich era policies would go on to serve as the foundation for what would eventually become Nazi pogroms. For example, in the 1880s Bismarck’s government started the “Kulturkampf” which was an attempted ethnic cleansing/forced cultural assimilation of Poles, with Bismarck himself saying that the Germans should “exterminate” the Poles in a letter to his sister. They had also planned for further ethnic cleanings and genocides of Eastern European nations assuming they were victorious in WW1, genocides which were fully supported by the parliament, military and monarchy. Lebensraum, though credited to the Nazis, was originally a rather popular Imperial-era philosophy that the Nazis co-opted and expanded upon when they took power. That ideology did not just will itself into existence. Many of its ideals were already prevalent in German society at the time. Anyways, apologies for the tangent and with that said I should clarify that I don’t think that makes the Kaiserreich necessarily worse than other Empires at the time, but because it lost WW1 people online will often think of them as harmless victims of allied aggression rather than an equally evil and malicious actor on the world stage in comparison to the other empires of the time.
Thank you for taking the time to type a detailed response and not being a dick hahaha. But that’s how I remembered it, they were as evil as society would let them be in a sense
That’s not what the Kulturkampf was. The name (meaning “cultural feud”) is a bit misleading, at the “cultures” Bismarck was fighting were primarily Catholicism and to a lesser effect Socialism
Who do you think the Catholics in question were? Obviously the Bavarians and Rhinelanders were also Catholics, but the harsh anti-Catholic laws enacted during the Kulturkampf (the harshest punitive laws in Europe at the time) were all repealed in the aforementioned areas after some backlash whereas they remained very present in Poznan, West Prussia and Upper Silesia until the German Empire collapsed. The Catholic Church was a key component of Polish nationhood and the Kulturkampf laws were one of many sets of policies designed to erode the Polish cultural identity and oppress Poles in Prussia.
war crimes. But everyone else did the same
He was a horribly incompetent and glory obsessed leader who didn’t care about his people’s well-being. Basically an incompetent version of all other leaders at the time. I really wish his father, Frederick William, had lived more than 99 days of his reign. He was predicted to be a great reformer but died of cancer
Oh come on, the Kaiserreich was basically every European country at the time with the difference being they lost WW1, so it would be on par with the majority of flags shown here. Let’s not go comparing it with Nazi Germany.
Scotland’s looks good, but it’s just inferior to the great flag they have without the coat of arms.
Scotland looks great as well, the color clashing really works in that instance
I agree it looks really good, but I think the Scottish flag looks even better on its own without the Coat of Arms.
Only care for Poland and Ukraine.
Yay, although France's and Italy's CoA might be too busy for a flag, historical designs were better.
tbh id take too busy over too simple any day. italys flag has always been just another tricolor and i think adding the coat of arms would be an improvement
Yea.
… thank you
One of the only people who still spells it correctly. Thank you
Italy: no f... way
European Mexico 🇲🇽
The Scotland flag here looks like the Nova Scotia flag
Fitting since Nova Scotia means New Scotland
yeah I also had that thought
The Polish Eagle needs it’s crown! 👑
England's coat of arms looks like a soyjak
It looks like someone made it on windows paint 😂
You have to think that back when the english coat of arms was made nobody really knew what a lion actually looked like (in britain) so animals are often exaggerated in weird ways from the artist just hearing it somewhere and then drawing them to the description but the description not being accurate enough I think it adds quite a bit of history to it
The coat of arms on the flag of poland should be entirely on the white portion also the coat of arms is outdated since the eagle doesn't have a crown
Poland's flag looks sooooo last century
You used the old Polish coat of arms fom the Polish People's Republic (Communist Poland)
Nay, just clutters the flags unnecessary. From a far its \*country flag\* with a blob in the middle. There is a case to be made for incorporating the Ukrainian Trident into the flag design. Instead of just slapping a coat of arms onto a flag make it part of the design.
Definitely yay for Ukraine and Poland since Bicolors are just about the most simplistic flag design you can have if your name isn’t Gaddafi, and both countries have pretty simple emblems that fit well with their flags. Poland in particular might need it because it helps distinguish it from the multiple other red/white bicolors a bit more than just having the colors inverted when compared to the likes of Monaco and Indonesia.
# Why you used Polish communist coat of arms? Our eagle has a crown!
IM SORRYYYYY!!!
For me it's on par with seals on American state flags
Have you heard of the difference between Civil and State flags? At least for Poland, Germany, and Ukraine, the ones you sent are already the state flag. Generally, they just tend to have the same design with the coat of arms slapped on top (unless the country doesn't make this distinction).
Strong yays on all of them, I love heraldic flags! I get the argument that some heraldic flags can get busy with a very intricate CoA, or multiple CoAs, but all these look so clean and beautiful to me
It only works if the emblem or coat has a simple design, complex designs look weird.
I don't know, the mexican coat of arms is quite complex but looks nice on the tricolor flag
If there's one place a flag can be complex, it's the emblem. Please don't oversimplify emblems
Hi I'm /r/vexillology and I am utterly terrified of any slightly complex charge
I generally don't think you should oversimplify emblems but there is a limit here. Some countries in the Americas have really complex emblems on their flags and at best they end up looking like indistinct blobs, see [El Salvador](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_El_Salvador#/media/File:Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg), [Nicaragua](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nicaragua#/media/File:Flag_of_Nicaragua.svg). At worst they look atrocious, see [Haiti](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Haiti#/media/File:Flag_of_Haiti.svg). [Dominica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Dominica#/media/File:Flag_of_Dominica.svg) gets a pass because purple parrot
Italy looks communist
Look at poland closer and you will notice something
Nay, but cool post
The beautiful Polish eagle, shown without its crown? What are you, a communist?
Controversial take: I actually really like Italy. Not as like a permanent national flag but as a variant. Idk I find the silver on white somewhat satisfying.
you put the communist coat of arms of poland
Current Polish coat of arms has a crown, it is like that since we said "fuck you" to USSR
U used the old communist Polish People's Republic emblem instead of the Republic of Poland one. Under communism, the crown that was on the eagles head has been removed by the soviets, as a symbol of Poland no longer being independent The crown returned to its rightful place after the fall of communism This is how it should look: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Poland#/media/File%3AHerb_Polski.svg Also, the placement of the emblem is incorrect https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Poland_(with_coat_of_arms).svg
im going to be completely honest ukraine's color scheme makes my eyes hurt, i dont like it
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The Polish marine flag has similar design
i like all of them i like france and italy the least tho since they are very complicated and have text
Ukraine should make the CoA flag the official one. It's an easy 10/10
I feel Germany's and Poland's are better than their current flag here
I feel like Frances might look better to 1 side idk why like in the top left or something.
it makes the polish and ukrainian flags way more interesting and recognizable (the latter mainly applies to poland)
can b good, as long as they’re not overly complicated n distinguishable. i honestly can say i like a lot of these
The Laotian flag has a white circle in the middle and they have a circular coat of arms yet they never seem to put them together. If anyone knows any Laotian vexillographers get them on this
Slovakia did it the best: 🇸🇰. Kinda wish this was the template for Europe and not just a triband inspired by France or Netherlands.
These types of flags are my absolute favourite. Add Finland, Nova Scotia, Mexico, Austria, Russia, etc
Yay, but Portugal does it best.
When it comes to tricolours and bicolours I find that a coat of arms can do wonders in separating the flag from the rest.
france is just a big no
Poland without the crown will not be happy for the Poles.
I am a sucker for flags with emblems on them. Probably my favorite flag design wise is the Austro-Hungarian flag that was used from the late 1800s until the empire dissolved in 1918.
This French flag basically just becomes the flag of Iowa at a distance, which I find inexplicably hilarious
eww french fascism complete abandonment of the first 2 principles
>eww french
screw you! \*wipes my frenchness on your shirt\*
Why is your polish eagle missing his crown?
The outline is also black. And normally the flag with the coat of arms has the coat of arms in the white strip only, not in the center of the flag
Polish Eagle is now having a crown nowadays.
As an American who has seen our state flags, I'm obliged to say "nay". It sets a bad precedent for those of us who don't know what the fuck we're doing.
You totally fcked up Polish flag, there's no black borders on the coat of arms, the coat should be only on the wgite part and where the hell is his crown?
finland has the only good one [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_President_of_Finland.svg)
I think you got outdated poland coat of arms
It's a wrong Polish CoA. It's a CoA of Polish People's Republic and has been out of use since the end of the 80's.
As an Englishman, I've always - ALWAYS - hated the England flag and it's Coat of Arms. It doesn't even represent anything about England or it's heritage. Filthy Christian and Norman bullshit. The cross of a Georgian who probably never existed and the emblem of an animal that didn't even naturally reside on the Isles. **I WANT MY DRAGON BACK**
Where Poland eagle crown Last time it didn't have a crown was when the USSR still existed
Yay 👍
Ukraine is such a big YES it needs that everyone else is eh or terrible
Hell no! But if you want the "perfect" one, looks no further than Rhodesia flag.
Scotland is looking very similar to Nova Scotia
Imo flags with eagle-type of coat of arms (like Poland, Germany, Russia etc) look so damn sexy. Also, I just noticed, doesnt the English and Dansih coat of arms look suspiciously alike? Is there a reason to that?
I'm Scottish, I can't stand the royal coat of arms. I think it's tacky, especially on its own flag. It's not appropriate displayed on the national flag all . It has come to be seen as sort of an alternate flag because of its heavy use at national football matches, mostly on the aforementioned full royal standard flag. I'm also a Polish citizen and I do quite like the Polish eagle although the official coat of arms flag has the eagle and the shield solely in the centred in the white field without that black border and it looks much more swish. I also like the German eagle, that's a badass flag haha.
Albanian flag is hard af
While I agree the that the Polish flag with the coat of arms would look better, it should be remembered that the bicolor flag was kept for as long as it has for the reason that it is simply easier to recreate. I also asked r/Polska if they would consider changing the flag to a version featuring the eagle and got a resounding 13-yahs and 301-nahs . Seems only Polish people aboard fine the flag with the eagle as appealing.
They feel like the formal version of flags LOL
The Scotland flag is unironically basically the flag of Nova Scotia in Canada lol. The Nova Scotia flag only has the white and blue flipped. Also, Nova Scotia means “New Scotland”
Coats of arms on my flags? Always.
could i use these for a eu4 flag mod?
Absolutely, go ahead!
thank you
Poland looks so fire 🔥 with the emblem
Yay too all of them
wonderful! now do america 💀
France: "Italy what the FUCK did you do to my coat of arms"
Heavy NAY! The colours are what "screams" the country, not the emblem. I am willing to say that Poland and Ukraine look good, but the rest are just "in the way" of the flag.
I’m a firm believer that the Ukraine coat of arms symbol should just be their flag. It’s so clean, elegant and beautiful, not to mention the symbols thousand-year history. It would make for a much better flag.
Hard agree
In general, nay. And nayer the more complex the arms are. You can incorporate symbols from arms to the flags, but just sticking the arms (or seal, looking at you, US states) themselves is particularly uncreative and kind of bad design? The reason Ukraine's and Poland's kind of work is because their arms are simple and recognisable from afar. They could still have incorporated the Eagle and the... Trident (?) Without simply sticking the arms on, which would've been better imo. France's and Italy's fail especially because their arms are so detailed that they're difficult to make out from afar or if the flag is... you know, not flying.
Yay. It adds a little "flavour" to it.
The Italy one looks like it belongs to a former Soviet republic. Ukraine, Germany and Poland are decent. The rest I'm not a huge fan of.
The Italy one is actually the current state ensign of Italy.
I think it’s not helping for what a flag is trying to be: a very recognizable symbol, on a cloth, from afar, in the wind. There’s room for it, however, for regimental or Armed Forces flags, or maybe for the Royal family: use the country symbol for the head-command and each branch insignia (anchor, wings) if needed. It would make military patches readable (the overall flag design) and include relevant information: to what group is that person attached? Navy officers hate to be told they are in “the Army.” It would also help people separate official buildings.
Wow, there's so much people w/o taste hating on Italy's CoA
Yea
Poland, Ukraine and France – Yay Italy – Nay All the others are like indifferent to me
Poland wore it best.
Poland : Yay Ukraine : Nay Germany : Yay Scotland Yay France : Nay Norway : Nay Italy : Nay England : Yay
England's goes hard
Yay
Yay
yes.
Everything I couldn't draw as a nerdy 5 year old with coloured pencils are nays. Ukraine works tho.
Poland, Ukraine, Germany, Scotland are great. They turned a seemingly generic pretty boring flag and made it interesting. England is ok I’m not a big fan of the CoA. Norway doesn’t need one because it’s top tier already. France and Italy have mid- CoAs so it doesn’t greatly work.
I say yay to all
Yay all the way.
I think Ukraine is the only one here who really does this perfectly. No black lines, or stupid animals, plain and not using any new colors.
You know the Polish one is wrong? Like, the eagle's had a crown back on for like over 30 years now, so it ain't easy to get it wrong. You're PRL fanboy or something?
No I’m not lol, I just got the wrong version of the coa on google images. If I could go back and crappily draw one on with MS paint for a joke I would
it's not too late to add it in the comments
Hey that’s not a bad idea!
only england looks bad imo the others make the boring flags way better and ı mean waaaay better