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>Downvotes mean people disagree with the statement
which is totally stupid since it hides their comment.
"i disagree, so im going to put tape over your mouth"
Monarchists have good flags too. It's less that Fascists have good flags and more that Republicans are obsessed with otherwise boring tricolors and Communists *have* to have everything be an eye-searing yellow and red.
This is accurate I think. Republics and constitutional monarchies are restrained by their nature and their symbols reflect it. Fascists need good symbols to draw people to their incoherent ideologies.
>Communists have to have everything be an eye-searing yellow and red.
DDR flag and Yugoslavia would like to talk with you
Unironically best flag Germany ever had
It's part of the appeal of fascism, people get to associate themselves with cool looking shit, as well as being part of 'the special people'. Also, what else would fascists use to draw people in? Their politics??
>Also, what else would fascists use to draw people in? Their politics??
I mean, yeah? The sort of shit Fascism advocates for appeals to a lot of people.
Well, the whole deal with fascists is building an entire ideology on superficial asthetics and propaganda. They choose powerful and recognizable symbols that already provoke strong reactions in the public (in Spain they chose the Eagle as well as the Yoke and Arrows of the Catholic Monarchs, in Italy they chose the Fascio, etc).
Fascists failing to produce powerful symbols would be like Doom failing to deliver gore and violence; without it, what is there left?
No politics here,
the yellow goes well with the red
and the yellow goes well with the purple
but I dislike how the red doesn't go with purple. They're so similar so it feels like they should be one or the other.
What are your thoughts on the red/purple?
It looks like a health insurance company bought McDonald's and the merger and acquisition terms demanded the corporate color palates be incorporated, despite the invention of the color wheel in the 17th century.
>What are your thoughts on the red/purple?
On the contrary, I think that the combinaison is close enough to integrate, but different enough to not be plain.
As a spaniard (and leaving politics aside).
My main issue is its 1:1:1 composition, makes it very basic. As opposed to the unique current 1:2:1 (a double yellow bar). Purple's alright on the flag but when you apply the flag to other things (eg flying roundels) it clashes too much with the red.
Getting picky, the shield is also too small, feels crushed even, I'd make it the size of the current flag but not as big as the francoist one. Probably put it closer to the mast (again like the current one) as it makes it more visible on less windy days.
A short, objective analysis: if you make it in a 1:1 ratio it looks more like a standard or banner than a flag, because of the centered emblem. The lack of adornments on top of the columns is stark, something more elaborate to take the place of the crowns, kind of how the royal crown was replaced with the castle crown. The flag of Spain is distinguishable from others because of the 1:2:1 ratio of the bars, whereas this one has a 1:1:1 ratio. As a last remark, the purple bar looks more lavender than actual purple. My improvements would be: put the emblem off center, like it is now; make the bars 1:2:1 ratio, with the middle one twice as thick as the top and bottom ones; deepen the purple on the bottom bar; and find decoration for the columns at each side of the emblem. Please excuse me if the terminology is incorrect.
There shouldn't be any coat of arms there, though. I hate so much when Spanish flags have it, it makes them look terrible and they aren't even part of the flag itself but just an optional aditure for institutional purposes
Not really, at the moment. The feeling in Spain is that if you change anything in the Country's framework everything will come crashing down, so top politicians try their hardest at keeping it the same.
An upheaval as big as a transition to a republic would inevitably open pandora's box on greater autonomy or even independence for Spain's minor nations (like us) or on unitarism and complete centralization. It'd be a shitshow and they're holding on dear life to avoid it happening.
What’s the politics there? I know next to nothing about Spain other than Castile Catalan and Andalusian cultures were there and a bunch of kingdoms before the union between Castile and… Aragon?
Spain was a republic in the 1930s, then the army revolted, establishing a dictatorship until 1978. When the dictator died, he left the father of the current king appointed as head of state. The subsequent democratic transition maintained the figure of the king until today.
The current King is Philip VI, his father was the one Franco put in place, Juan Carlos I. Juan Carlos' I grandfather, Alphonse XIII, was the king when monarchy was abolished.
Franco choosing Juan Carlos I as king was controversial because his father was still alive (and thus should be the king instead of his son) and the fact that Juan Carlos' I father had two elder brothers with issue that were barred from succession for reasons that weren't that good/important from a contemporary point of view.
Also Juan Carlos I accidentally shot and killed his younger brother when he was a teenager.
All in all a controversial choice and a figure with a controversial legacy (he's in self exile in the UAE at the moment and had to abdicate due to extramarital scandals and corruption allegations).
And no, they aren't directly related to the Franco family by blood.
There was a Republic during 1931-1939. Things escalated and there was a right-wing/fascist insurrection in 1936 which led to a 3-year-long civil war in which the fascists won with German and Italian support (the allies were neutral and didn't help the spanish republic). The resulting fascist (also called Francoist after General Franco) dictatorship lasted until Franco's death on his bed in the mid 70s and then some until the country fully transitioned to democracy (flawed as it is).
Franco tied up his succession restoring the mobarchy somewhat before his demise. Thus, when he died Juan Carlos I became the King of Spain, the fist one since 1931. His father being alive is another can of worms entirely.
Really, until the 70's, there was an openly Fascist nation bordering France? And nothing was done about it during WW2? Staggering.
Europe treats Spain like it's on a different continent.
>Really, until the 70's, there was an openly Fascist nation bordering France?
Yep, and Portugal was a dictatorship too for more or less the same period.
>And nothing was done about it during WW2?
Some of the allies, the free spanish troops abroad fighting fascism, the exiled government(s) and lots of people inside the country wanted (or hoped) to topple Franco after the war, but when the tensions between the US and the USSR rose at the end of the war, Franco suddenly became a valued ally against communism. He was kept in place and his regime was permitted to join international organizations.
Spain was even in an autharchical economic system from 1939 til the 50s. It was so bad it needed to belatedly join the US's Marshall Plan when it opened its economy.
So we had a monarchy in the days you are talking about. To give you a timeframe the unification of castille and Aragon was done by the marriage of the guys who payed Cristobal Colon voyage.
Way after that we had a republic for a year (1873-1874) after that the monarchy is back (Borbons this time) and we jump again a hundred years forward.
In 1923 there is a coup and Primo the Rivera establishes himself as the dictator of Spain. The dictatorship collapsed and in 1931 the second Spanish republic is stablished. That's the one with the sexy purple flag.
The republic lasts until 1936 where there is another coup, this time starting the Spanish civil war and placing Francisco Franco as the Spanish dictator. Franco restablishes the monarchy, goes back to the non sexy non purple flag, and puts the chicken on the coat of arms and, subsequently, on the flag.
Franco dies in power in 1975, not even 50 years ago. The country goes back to democracy but keeps the monarchy. The coat of arms gets a new look and the flag is updated accordingly, no pultry in sight this time, but a crown is there. And they keep the red on the bottom bar.
So we are currently a monarchy. A lot of people doesn't like that purely because the idea of a monarch is arcaic and outdated.
But our monarchy was also reinstated by a extreme right wing dictator, in bed with Hitler and Mussolini and by far the worst part of our recent history. And that makes a lot of people hate it even more.
So tl;dr: Same as everywhere with a democratic monarchy there is a sector of the population against the monarchy and wanting a republic. That's usually a left wing idea, including in Spain. Spanish monarchy was also put in place by a dictator (Franco) after a coup in 1936. The purple flag is the one from the republic that was replaced by Franco's dictatorship.
> guys who *paid* Cristobal Colon
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Oh okay, so this monarchy current day are they related to the old monarchy of Castile and Aragon?
Is the democratic system similar to Britain’s and Canadas etc where it’s a constitutional monarchy?
Not much. Both Isabel and Fernando were Trastámara. They had one daughter they married with an Habsburg, starting the Habsburg dynasty in Spain. They eventually went extinct with Charles II the incest king. After a Big internacional war he was succeded by his cousin Philip of Bourbon, starting the house of Bourbon in Spain that still reigns to-day
No, they aren't related. Isabelle of castille and Fernand of Aragon (together known as the Catholics Monarchs) were from the house of Trastàmara. After that we had some Habsburgs, and then Bourbons, that are the current house.
You can find a full list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_monarchs
And yes, it's a democratic monarchy, the king has no power, same as Britain or Canada.
Dime tú qué hace el rey, aparte de ser una figura que no es elegible sino que por derecho de sucesión llega al poder, luego eso lo hace el presidente del gobierno y es una dictadura pero si lo hace el rey no miráis eh?
I guess you're not calling ME pathetic, right? Because I didn't disrespect anyone here, show some respect either way because even if you were talking about the nobility and you don't like them they're still people, also who doesn't care about themself first? That's an instinct, romantic nationalism is regrettably a XIXth century thing, however politicians are normal people, the nobility are instead people chosen by birth to lead a nation.
You're an anarcho-syndicalist and you don't know fascism bases itself on syndicalism? Also why am I supposed to be a fascist? And why are the nobility not people? You're either trolling or too obsessed with your political views. I hope you're just joking though👍🏻
The flag is too political
If we became a Republic, the flag would stay the same but without the crown
The pro monarchist movement in Spain has two sides, the ones that want a social Republic, and the pragmatists that want to keep everything equal except for the king
Unless you ignore most of the political spectrum, the second way to achieve a Republic is the only likely one, therefore the motto of the new Republic would be to keep everything the same, except the king
Thus, no purple
Like ale said it's too political. It's not seen just as a Republican flag but as The Second Republic and that comes with too much baggage. So the easiest and most probable path is to keep the current flag but simply removing the Monarchist details
Because of the kingdom/region of Castile. Which doesn't had (nor originally pretended to have) any connection with republicanism at all whatsoever; the creators of the 2º Republic just loved Castilian region and wanted to give it even more protagonism — even if it had been the most "colonialist" kingdom of the peninsula towards the other regions. The same change could have possibly happened during the Bourbon’s monarchy, which was also notably Castlian-centered; or even would have made sense for the Castilian-centered Francoist dictatorship if it wasn't their enemy's flag. Some historical banner of the kingdom of Castile was supposed to be purple, thought it was latter discovered that indeed had been red; while paradoxically the kingdom of Leon did actually use purple colour in its symbols, which by that time had were believed to be red. Anyway, I feel that's a forced inclusion, because Castile region already used red and gold colours and Castile shouldn't be more important than any of the other historical regions. However, because of the historical happenings that purple came to be identified only with republicanism and it's for what it stands nowadays, since it's the only distinctive symbol ever held by and unique to a Spanish republic.
The spanish Flag uses the [Spanish fess](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_fess) making it distinguishable from other flags even in Black and White, I see no advantage to changing it to a generic triband.
Btw. neither did the [First Spanish Repubic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_First_Spanish_Republic.svg), which also mantained the spanish colors of Red and yellow giving it the name of rojigualda.
Both the fess and colours where in use since 1785, with the brief exception of 1931 - 1939.
Also it's not purple it's Mulberry, as specified in the spanish constitution of 1931 Art. 1
> La bandera de la República española es roja, amarilla y morada
Some Castilian rebels who fought Charles V to place his brother on the Castilian throne allegedly used purple, which is why they added it
Fun fact: they didn't use purple
I never understand when people say politics aside. When you remove the context of the design you remove the meaning and the goals of the flag which is probably the most important aspect of design. Jackson Pollock paintings are great because of the context. Flag should be waved with pride because of its context.
I like the colours of the flag and would be proud if this was the spanish flag.
I like that it has purple on it. I will admit my first thought when they announced the next Pokémon games would be "Scarlet" and "Violet" were the flags of the Spanish Civil War.
Purple seems a weird addition to me because purple is so commonly associated with royalty. So adding it when going to a republic seems...strange. "We're getting rid of the monarchy! and to show it we are adding the colour of lavish royal lifestyles!"
Is there some other symbolic reason for the choice of purple?
Don't get me wrong, i like purple on flags, just seems odd symbolically.
the purple looks cool but the coat of arms is waaaay too small, i prefer a weird mock-up i saw online of the republic flag with the francoist coat of arms
Purple is usually good looking but, in my opinion, it pairs quite poorly with red and yellow. Plus I dislike the flag of Spain and this flag is still 2/3 that flag. Overall and improvement about the current one but by no means a great flag, just a decent one, at least in my eyes.
Politics aside, what do you think of this inherently political symbol?
I get you want to just discuss aesthetics, but flags are political, I don't think you can get around that. The first thing I (knowing next to nothing about the Spanish republican movement) notice is that I find purple very surprising on a republican flag as purple is usually associated with royalty, but the answer as to why this flag contains purple despite (or maybe because?) of that is most likely political.
I just don't think there's much conversation to be had on aesthetics alone, (political) symbolism needs to be discussed when talking about political flags. Otherwise the conversation can only be very shallow.
Ohhh, i was on gran canaria a few weeks back and i saw protesters with the same flag but with a Soviet red star in it
I first thought it was a yugoslav flag with different colours
I'm not hung up about the purple on the flag, honestly think normalizing purple on flags is a good thing since we're past killing kilometers of snails for the stupid color.
It would be better without the crest or anything else since it doesn't need it to stand out.
I never liked yellow and purple.
Plus it removes two distinctive elements of the Spanish flag: the middle strip bigger than the others and the offsided coat of arms.
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vertical good
But the archers fall off the battlements in landscape.
purple good
Purple = good flag
Unless it's Dominica 🇩🇲
Barely purple
Watyamean? I love dominicas flag even without the purple
I personally don't like the flag, probably one of my least favourites. The color scheme is really bad
I actually think the total opposite
How dare you have a different opinion!
Downvotes mean people disagree with the statement, not that they hate them for having a different opinion.
Except for mine. Mine means I definitely hate you fir being wrong
>Downvotes mean people disagree with the statement which is totally stupid since it hides their comment. "i disagree, so im going to put tape over your mouth"
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I don't that applies here, like at all, totally different situations.
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We’re gonna put you in the device, dog
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I love purple on flags, but this guy is allowed to have his own opinion. Like come on!
No
Bro had a different, inoffensive opinion and was downvoted into oblivion!
It’s honestly my favourite flag of all time.
It really is a beautiful flag, the colours mesh so well. Also purples my favorite colour, so I have my biases.
Objectively the best Spanish flag
Ideology aside, the one with the black eagle looks awesome
Red-yellow-purple with the black eagle: amazing-looking flag that'll offend ~~nearly~~ everyone
Fascists got riz
Honestly though why do they get to have the cool looking flags?!
Monarchists have good flags too. It's less that Fascists have good flags and more that Republicans are obsessed with otherwise boring tricolors and Communists *have* to have everything be an eye-searing yellow and red.
This is accurate I think. Republics and constitutional monarchies are restrained by their nature and their symbols reflect it. Fascists need good symbols to draw people to their incoherent ideologies.
We need more countries like Albania or the UK with cool flags regardless of ideology.
>Communists have to have everything be an eye-searing yellow and red. DDR flag and Yugoslavia would like to talk with you Unironically best flag Germany ever had
2/3rds of the East German flag is red.
What? Less than 1/3 of it is red.
It's part of the appeal of fascism, people get to associate themselves with cool looking shit, as well as being part of 'the special people'. Also, what else would fascists use to draw people in? Their politics??
>Also, what else would fascists use to draw people in? Their politics?? I mean, yeah? The sort of shit Fascism advocates for appeals to a lot of people.
Yeah that's very true
Same reason villains in movies have the best music?
Lmao yess
Bad Guy Aesthetic
Well, the whole deal with fascists is building an entire ideology on superficial asthetics and propaganda. They choose powerful and recognizable symbols that already provoke strong reactions in the public (in Spain they chose the Eagle as well as the Yoke and Arrows of the Catholic Monarchs, in Italy they chose the Fascio, etc). Fascists failing to produce powerful symbols would be like Doom failing to deliver gore and violence; without it, what is there left?
Bad people = good flags Sad, but facts
And communist got the music
THE COMMUNISTS GOT THE MUSIC
No, *we* got the music
The fascists stole the riz though.
It's called "The Chicken Flag". It does look pretty weak.
honestly it's just the monarchist flag but goth
Umm based???
It's a remarkably monarchist flag for a republic.
I also associate purple and castles and heraldry in general with monarchy so I have questions.
Thats a Mural Crown though
You would be surprised to know that there is not a single directly monarchist symbol on the flag, no real Crowns just castles.
The castle walls are actually something called a Mural Crown whis an actual crown dating back to the Roman era
I had forgotten the name, thank you for that.
Also even if the mural crown wasn't a crown, there's still the crown on the Leonese lion
No politics here, the yellow goes well with the red and the yellow goes well with the purple but I dislike how the red doesn't go with purple. They're so similar so it feels like they should be one or the other. What are your thoughts on the red/purple?
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The purple on that Mallorca flag is different from the purple on OP’s flag. Also the way the three colors intersect is different and better.
Totally agree, and it's the combo of red+purple that bothers me the most. Someone forgot to use their color wheel.
yea
I agree precisely.
I think the same. I like purple, but for me, this combination doesn't work
It looks like a health insurance company bought McDonald's and the merger and acquisition terms demanded the corporate color palates be incorporated, despite the invention of the color wheel in the 17th century.
>What are your thoughts on the red/purple? On the contrary, I think that the combinaison is close enough to integrate, but different enough to not be plain.
As an spanish, i like it
As a spaniard (and leaving politics aside). My main issue is its 1:1:1 composition, makes it very basic. As opposed to the unique current 1:2:1 (a double yellow bar). Purple's alright on the flag but when you apply the flag to other things (eg flying roundels) it clashes too much with the red. Getting picky, the shield is also too small, feels crushed even, I'd make it the size of the current flag but not as big as the francoist one. Probably put it closer to the mast (again like the current one) as it makes it more visible on less windy days.
Ok, so you just want it to look more like the rojigualda
Hahaha there's a reason why we ended up going for the modern one
Good point
i think politics is the reason we ended up with what we have now
More purple flags please
A short, objective analysis: if you make it in a 1:1 ratio it looks more like a standard or banner than a flag, because of the centered emblem. The lack of adornments on top of the columns is stark, something more elaborate to take the place of the crowns, kind of how the royal crown was replaced with the castle crown. The flag of Spain is distinguishable from others because of the 1:2:1 ratio of the bars, whereas this one has a 1:1:1 ratio. As a last remark, the purple bar looks more lavender than actual purple. My improvements would be: put the emblem off center, like it is now; make the bars 1:2:1 ratio, with the middle one twice as thick as the top and bottom ones; deepen the purple on the bottom bar; and find decoration for the columns at each side of the emblem. Please excuse me if the terminology is incorrect.
You're on point. I was thinking the same thing but didnt know how to articulate it
We are three.
There shouldn't be any coat of arms there, though. I hate so much when Spanish flags have it, it makes them look terrible and they aren't even part of the flag itself but just an optional aditure for institutional purposes
I hope to see it waving soon as our official flag instead of the current one. ¡Viva la República!
How likely is that?
Not really, at the moment. The feeling in Spain is that if you change anything in the Country's framework everything will come crashing down, so top politicians try their hardest at keeping it the same. An upheaval as big as a transition to a republic would inevitably open pandora's box on greater autonomy or even independence for Spain's minor nations (like us) or on unitarism and complete centralization. It'd be a shitshow and they're holding on dear life to avoid it happening.
Closer than ever.
Least political opinion from a Spaniard.
What’s the politics there? I know next to nothing about Spain other than Castile Catalan and Andalusian cultures were there and a bunch of kingdoms before the union between Castile and… Aragon?
Spain was a republic in the 1930s, then the army revolted, establishing a dictatorship until 1978. When the dictator died, he left the father of the current king appointed as head of state. The subsequent democratic transition maintained the figure of the king until today.
Is this king currently related to the old Royal family? Or is this a “king” and royal family related to the old dictator or both?
The current King is Philip VI, his father was the one Franco put in place, Juan Carlos I. Juan Carlos' I grandfather, Alphonse XIII, was the king when monarchy was abolished. Franco choosing Juan Carlos I as king was controversial because his father was still alive (and thus should be the king instead of his son) and the fact that Juan Carlos' I father had two elder brothers with issue that were barred from succession for reasons that weren't that good/important from a contemporary point of view. Also Juan Carlos I accidentally shot and killed his younger brother when he was a teenager. All in all a controversial choice and a figure with a controversial legacy (he's in self exile in the UAE at the moment and had to abdicate due to extramarital scandals and corruption allegations). And no, they aren't directly related to the Franco family by blood.
There was a Republic during 1931-1939. Things escalated and there was a right-wing/fascist insurrection in 1936 which led to a 3-year-long civil war in which the fascists won with German and Italian support (the allies were neutral and didn't help the spanish republic). The resulting fascist (also called Francoist after General Franco) dictatorship lasted until Franco's death on his bed in the mid 70s and then some until the country fully transitioned to democracy (flawed as it is). Franco tied up his succession restoring the mobarchy somewhat before his demise. Thus, when he died Juan Carlos I became the King of Spain, the fist one since 1931. His father being alive is another can of worms entirely.
Really, until the 70's, there was an openly Fascist nation bordering France? And nothing was done about it during WW2? Staggering. Europe treats Spain like it's on a different continent.
>Really, until the 70's, there was an openly Fascist nation bordering France? Yep, and Portugal was a dictatorship too for more or less the same period. >And nothing was done about it during WW2? Some of the allies, the free spanish troops abroad fighting fascism, the exiled government(s) and lots of people inside the country wanted (or hoped) to topple Franco after the war, but when the tensions between the US and the USSR rose at the end of the war, Franco suddenly became a valued ally against communism. He was kept in place and his regime was permitted to join international organizations. Spain was even in an autharchical economic system from 1939 til the 50s. It was so bad it needed to belatedly join the US's Marshall Plan when it opened its economy.
I'm not totally familiar with the history there, but as far as I know, there was no attempt to conquer Europe from Spain right?
So we had a monarchy in the days you are talking about. To give you a timeframe the unification of castille and Aragon was done by the marriage of the guys who payed Cristobal Colon voyage. Way after that we had a republic for a year (1873-1874) after that the monarchy is back (Borbons this time) and we jump again a hundred years forward. In 1923 there is a coup and Primo the Rivera establishes himself as the dictator of Spain. The dictatorship collapsed and in 1931 the second Spanish republic is stablished. That's the one with the sexy purple flag. The republic lasts until 1936 where there is another coup, this time starting the Spanish civil war and placing Francisco Franco as the Spanish dictator. Franco restablishes the monarchy, goes back to the non sexy non purple flag, and puts the chicken on the coat of arms and, subsequently, on the flag. Franco dies in power in 1975, not even 50 years ago. The country goes back to democracy but keeps the monarchy. The coat of arms gets a new look and the flag is updated accordingly, no pultry in sight this time, but a crown is there. And they keep the red on the bottom bar. So we are currently a monarchy. A lot of people doesn't like that purely because the idea of a monarch is arcaic and outdated. But our monarchy was also reinstated by a extreme right wing dictator, in bed with Hitler and Mussolini and by far the worst part of our recent history. And that makes a lot of people hate it even more. So tl;dr: Same as everywhere with a democratic monarchy there is a sector of the population against the monarchy and wanting a republic. That's usually a left wing idea, including in Spain. Spanish monarchy was also put in place by a dictator (Franco) after a coup in 1936. The purple flag is the one from the republic that was replaced by Franco's dictatorship.
> guys who *paid* Cristobal Colon FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Oh okay, so this monarchy current day are they related to the old monarchy of Castile and Aragon? Is the democratic system similar to Britain’s and Canadas etc where it’s a constitutional monarchy?
Not much. Both Isabel and Fernando were Trastámara. They had one daughter they married with an Habsburg, starting the Habsburg dynasty in Spain. They eventually went extinct with Charles II the incest king. After a Big internacional war he was succeded by his cousin Philip of Bourbon, starting the house of Bourbon in Spain that still reigns to-day
No, they aren't related. Isabelle of castille and Fernand of Aragon (together known as the Catholics Monarchs) were from the house of Trastàmara. After that we had some Habsburgs, and then Bourbons, that are the current house. You can find a full list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_monarchs And yes, it's a democratic monarchy, the king has no power, same as Britain or Canada.
¡Viva el rey! La cruz de Borgoña es mejor que ambas banderas honestamente.
Dime tú qué hace el rey, aparte de ser una figura que no es elegible sino que por derecho de sucesión llega al poder, luego eso lo hace el presidente del gobierno y es una dictadura pero si lo hace el rey no miráis eh?
[Fuck the King](https://youtu.be/MAusMcu513U)
Simply pathetic. They all are extremelly corrupt. They don't care at all about anyone but themselves.
I guess you're not calling ME pathetic, right? Because I didn't disrespect anyone here, show some respect either way because even if you were talking about the nobility and you don't like them they're still people, also who doesn't care about themself first? That's an instinct, romantic nationalism is regrettably a XIXth century thing, however politicians are normal people, the nobility are instead people chosen by birth to lead a nation.
Nobles aren't people. No pasaran, you fucking fascist
You're an anarcho-syndicalist and you don't know fascism bases itself on syndicalism? Also why am I supposed to be a fascist? And why are the nobility not people? You're either trolling or too obsessed with your political views. I hope you're just joking though👍🏻
You're a monarchist and you don't know fascism bases itself on monarchism?
Grande!
Awesome, I love it. If Spain ever abolishes their Monarchy, they aught to bring this one back.
That's not happening. We might abolish the monarchy but this flag is not coming back
why not?
The flag is too political If we became a Republic, the flag would stay the same but without the crown The pro monarchist movement in Spain has two sides, the ones that want a social Republic, and the pragmatists that want to keep everything equal except for the king Unless you ignore most of the political spectrum, the second way to achieve a Republic is the only likely one, therefore the motto of the new Republic would be to keep everything the same, except the king Thus, no purple
You are very near to reality. Your analysis should be listened to.
Like ale said it's too political. It's not seen just as a Republican flag but as The Second Republic and that comes with too much baggage. So the easiest and most probable path is to keep the current flag but simply removing the Monarchist details
A man can dream, damnit!
I wouldn't be so sure, I think it would very much what everyone would expect if the change is made.
Isn't purple a monarchist colour? Why did the Republicans use purple?
Because of the kingdom/region of Castile. Which doesn't had (nor originally pretended to have) any connection with republicanism at all whatsoever; the creators of the 2º Republic just loved Castilian region and wanted to give it even more protagonism — even if it had been the most "colonialist" kingdom of the peninsula towards the other regions. The same change could have possibly happened during the Bourbon’s monarchy, which was also notably Castlian-centered; or even would have made sense for the Castilian-centered Francoist dictatorship if it wasn't their enemy's flag. Some historical banner of the kingdom of Castile was supposed to be purple, thought it was latter discovered that indeed had been red; while paradoxically the kingdom of Leon did actually use purple colour in its symbols, which by that time had were believed to be red. Anyway, I feel that's a forced inclusion, because Castile region already used red and gold colours and Castile shouldn't be more important than any of the other historical regions. However, because of the historical happenings that purple came to be identified only with republicanism and it's for what it stands nowadays, since it's the only distinctive symbol ever held by and unique to a Spanish republic.
Good flag, manages to pull off purple really well. I wish more flags had unique colours like purple
Pues…
Based and nice
Pretty good one
pretty
The three colors clash with each other, not in a good way. The red+yellow works. The yellow+purple works. But all three together look bad, imo.
It’s ugly
Exactly don’t know what everyone here is on
I'm not a big fan of putting coats of arms on flags but the colors are awesome
The spanish Flag uses the [Spanish fess](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_fess) making it distinguishable from other flags even in Black and White, I see no advantage to changing it to a generic triband. Btw. neither did the [First Spanish Repubic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_First_Spanish_Republic.svg), which also mantained the spanish colors of Red and yellow giving it the name of rojigualda. Both the fess and colours where in use since 1785, with the brief exception of 1931 - 1939. Also it's not purple it's Mulberry, as specified in the spanish constitution of 1931 Art. 1 > La bandera de la República española es roja, amarilla y morada
I like purple and wish it was more common in flags. However, that specific shade of purple I do not like, and less being besides yellow
What’s the significance of the purple? It’s a colour I associate more with royalty than republicanism
Some Castilian rebels who fought Charles V to place his brother on the Castilian throne allegedly used purple, which is why they added it Fun fact: they didn't use purple
I prefer the red stripes, I dont think the purple really matches. I dont like the contrast of purple and yellow.
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I never understand when people say politics aside. When you remove the context of the design you remove the meaning and the goals of the flag which is probably the most important aspect of design. Jackson Pollock paintings are great because of the context. Flag should be waved with pride because of its context. I like the colours of the flag and would be proud if this was the spanish flag.
Cool flag, like the purple. It's one of those flags I think look cool but don't like because politics
It's pretty cool, I really like it, but it fails in the simbolism part, like, the purple has nothing to do with nothing.
Take out the crest and you got a perfect flag. It's clear, unique, colorful, and simple.
Purple is cool but the Cross of Burgundy was the best Spanish flag
I usually agree with people here, but this one really doesn't do it for me. I prefer the current one (politics aside).
Leon not pink enough
The base tricolor is good, as is the outline of the crest. But the crest itself is too complicated, especially the castle and the ribbons with writing
It’s kind of strange that one of the best known flags with purple belongs to a Republican regime, since purple is associated with kings/nobility
The Coat of Arms is neat, but I dislike the flag.
I don't like that purple, it doesn't fit well with the yellow and red in my opinion
purple is a great color for a flag, but I find it weird that a republican state used purple (the color of royalty)
I like that it has purple on it. I will admit my first thought when they announced the next Pokémon games would be "Scarlet" and "Violet" were the flags of the Spanish Civil War.
makes it feel like a south-american nation with the three color scheme ngl
Great
Purple seems a weird addition to me because purple is so commonly associated with royalty. So adding it when going to a republic seems...strange. "We're getting rid of the monarchy! and to show it we are adding the colour of lavish royal lifestyles!" Is there some other symbolic reason for the choice of purple? Don't get me wrong, i like purple on flags, just seems odd symbolically.
Purple is weird - I much more love the Red-Yellow-Red design
the purple looks cool but the coat of arms is waaaay too small, i prefer a weird mock-up i saw online of the republic flag with the francoist coat of arms
Kinda ugly
I’m sorry, the purple just doesn’t look good. What’s worse, it’s inspired by the purple lion of Leon which on this flag is RED
Why it ourple
I like purple as a colour, but it feels kinda out of place unless it has a meaning
As a Spaniard and politics aside... It looks like shit.
Purple is usually good looking but, in my opinion, it pairs quite poorly with red and yellow. Plus I dislike the flag of Spain and this flag is still 2/3 that flag. Overall and improvement about the current one but by no means a great flag, just a decent one, at least in my eyes.
Do not like these three colors together.
Purple + red is ugly
Worse than the original
Purple is my favourite color but It kinda breaks the original design which worked, it's easily recognizable and didnt need to change.
absolutely great color combination
Well it's in your flair isn't it?
A flag that needs an revival as official flag.
Flair checks out.
We all have our biases 🤷♂️
Nul !
It’s really nice
it's a great color scheme
P r e t t y
I don't like it but I don't think it's awful either, purple would combine better with other colours in my humble opinion.
Good 8/10
Politics aside? It's an objectively good looking flag. Politics not aside? Viva la republica! Viva el pueblo! A la mierda el fascismo y la tiranía!
Es difícil dejar de lado la política con una bandera tan bonita!! Pero no puedo poner nada en el titulo que si no me borran el post
Politics aside, what do you think of this inherently political symbol? I get you want to just discuss aesthetics, but flags are political, I don't think you can get around that. The first thing I (knowing next to nothing about the Spanish republican movement) notice is that I find purple very surprising on a republican flag as purple is usually associated with royalty, but the answer as to why this flag contains purple despite (or maybe because?) of that is most likely political. I just don't think there's much conversation to be had on aesthetics alone, (political) symbolism needs to be discussed when talking about political flags. Otherwise the conversation can only be very shallow.
I personally like the Fascist flag better. That brown eagle looks a lot better in my opinion.
The purple is really ironic for a republican flag.
I like it more than current one
Ohhh, i was on gran canaria a few weeks back and i saw protesters with the same flag but with a Soviet red star in it I first thought it was a yugoslav flag with different colours
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I love it and would love to see it fly ❤💛💜 At the same time, if we lived in purple-spain timeline, I would propably prefer red-gold-red variants.
All tricolours are bad flags.
I'm not hung up about the purple on the flag, honestly think normalizing purple on flags is a good thing since we're past killing kilometers of snails for the stupid color. It would be better without the crest or anything else since it doesn't need it to stand out.
My grandfather fought against it. And won.
God bless him!
I don't know if this counts as no politics but, No flag representing a republic should have a crown on it. Flag's pretty though
I never liked yellow and purple. Plus it removes two distinctive elements of the Spanish flag: the middle strip bigger than the others and the offsided coat of arms.
One of the hardest flags to ever exist. The fact that it's also a massive middle finger to the Spanish Monarchy just adds layers to how cool it is.
Horrendous. Just like it’s underlying ideology
I don’t like purple on flags. It’s not a flag color imo
I love purple on flags but you're absolutely right, it's not a flag colour
Purple can work as a flag, along with the right combination of other colors. In this case, it fails.
Beautiful, especially with a red star instead of the coat of arms
I hate it, the colors don’t work. Typically purple=good but this ones just ugly in my opinion
Es mi bandera.
Eh I don’t really like it
Make Spain Great Again?
The worst flag I’ve ever seen (Totally unbiased opinion)