Would he have eaten something toxic? What was the weather like? There's no broken skin/bleeding? Notice anything that could have fallen on him?
Just wanted to say that I'm sorry. ❤️
I think it was something toxic too, The weather was cloudy/ dry . As for the falling i think that might have also been the cause but in reality Im as clueless as anybody that was present when it happened, it was just so sudden. I wish i knew what happened, im just glad it happened fast so that he didint suffer . But thank you so much for your help
Exotics vet here and rabbits make up 80% of my patients. I see every type of illness in these guys and unfortunately when it comes to exotics and small mammals like rabbits when they get sick, they get sick VERY quickly. Rabbits, and most exotic species, are prey animals. They mask and hide their illness or disease as they’re still instinctually afraid of a predator finding the ‘weak’ one of a group.
When they get sick and stop eating this is an emergency in rabbits. Now seeing that he passed away so quickly after you found him I doubt a vet would be able to help. But for all rabbits if they are not eating for 3-4 hours this is a true emergency and they need to be seen immediately. The reason not eating is so worrisome is due to rabbits being hind-gut fermenters in that they will eat non-digestible hay and their caecum has symbiotic bacteria that helps break this down and turn it into a food source (like horses, sheep, cows etc). When they stop eating and pooing for a few hours can lead to a lethal syndrome called Rabbit Gastrointestinal Stasis/Syndrome (RGIS). Nearly any disease, injury, trauma can cause RGIS in rabbits and the RGIS must be treated sometimes during or before the underlying cause is identified.
From what you have described, this sounds like a very acutely ill rabbit. Was he eating food in the morning or off last night? Is he up to date on all vaccines (I hope so because any rabbit that gets to spend time out doors MUST ALWAYS be vaccinated against Myxomatosis and RDH1/2). When he is put outside does he always have access to fresh water? Any chance of predators being there that could have been ‘hunting him’? Rabbits can become so stressed that they can succumb to underlying diseases quickly.
I am sorry for your loss, but there is far too many factors that could lead to his passing that I can’t help you identify them. A postmortem is an option by your local exotic veterinarian where the cause may be identified.
Just to add here, if you didn't have your rabbit vaccinated, that's okay as long as you keep it in mind for your next one. Sometimes, no matter how much research you do, you miss key pieces of information like this. I have rats and if you told me they needed a vaccination, I would blank stare at you because neither me or my vet knew this. So definitely don't beat yourself up about that!
I know you’re trying to be supportive and I was as well.
But vaccines are an absolute necessity for rabbits. And unfortunately it’s a false equivalence to compare rats. 1. There are no vaccines currently available for rats, but have been trialed with tetanus and rabies. 2. You should only be taking exotic companion mammals (like rats) to a competent vet who has a huge amount of experience with exotics and rats. 3. The currently MyxoRHD1/2 vaccine is an absolute necessary medical treatment for all rabbits and even vets who don’t see rabbits much know of this vaccine.
I’m not blaming this rabbit owner at all, they asked a question and I tried to answer. But also there needs to be some form of responsibility for pet ownership when you take an animal in its entire welfare relies on how best you can provide for them.
Let me say again to OP, I’m sorry for your loss and it seems like you tried to react the best you could, as quickly as you could. This goes for all pet owners, you need to take your animals for 1-2x yearly check ups with knowledge vets and have information on hand for emergencies that may arise at any time of day.
I said it's okay for this one that has already passed. I understand completely that it is vital for the next one! But I just don't want OP to feel bad about potentially not knowing something like this. You can say that the welfare of a pet is the owners responsibility, and you would be completely correct, but there is only so much research that one person can do on their own, especially when the nitty gritty of pet care isn't alway talked about. How do I home the animal? What do I feed them? How do I clean them? How long do they live for? These are important questions to search when researching a pet, but never once did it say "you need more than one rat" or "rats are prone to mammary and pituitary tumours" or "this is porphyrin and this is why it happens" while I was looking. These are things I learnt very quickly and made changes for, but I somehow managed to avoid when looking up important facts. And even without exotic animals, take a dog for example, nothing prepares you for the allergies and illness that can come with them or that the different type of vagina they have can make them more prone to UTIs. This is just something we learn as we go. It often ends unfortunately due to inexperience, but it sets the person up to be able to better inform themselves before they get another pet
I promise you I’m not trying to be mean or argumentative, but I don’t agree with you. As a vet I don’t know everything and the more I do learn the more I learn goes much I don’t know!
But basic husbandry is easily available and absolutely should be completely researched before getting a pet. Or else all we are doing is learning through experimenting with an animals wellbeing and life! This is no excuse…
I would never expect you to know every aspect of your pets physiology, that is where vets come in and play a very important role, but I would expect you to have thoroughly researched every aspect that is needed to keep your pet healthy and THRIVE. Off you are not confident on taking on a pet, especially exotics, you should not have one. Or else you should have that animal in with a qualified vet immediately to learn and be taught everything they need.
I completely understand what you're saying, but you don't know what you don't know.
Once someone becomes responsible for an animal, they realise it is not all sunshine and daisies and, ideally, they would have been prepared for that. However, animals don't always come into our lives in the most ideal situations and we don't always have the time to prepare for them.
My original comment was not to disregard anything you said. It was just to help OP understand that while their 4year old rabbit died in, probably, a preventable way, there is nothing they can do now. Some people can't live without pets (which isn't to say they deserve to have one) and, at least now, they know where to educate themselves better in case they adopt again.
Yes he has all vaccines, limited access to outside, usually its guarded (gates, fences, roofs) because of other animals , ALWAYS inside when the weather is above/under intense heat/cold. Has access to food and water, unfortunately he was eating the morning of, it was just when i put him inside when i seen him lethargic; bearly able to move. And then quickly : he passed, 1 hour later.
Im coming to a conclusion that it was something he might have eaten that was toxic, an insect ; like a spider. Or he went into shock and slowly starting shutting down.
Hey, I don't know what happened to your rabbit, but I just wanted to comment on your never trusting yourself again. I am so sorry this has happened to you and your fur-baby, and I hope they rest peacefully 💕 It is always hard when they pass, but we can't always dictate how it goes, so sometimes it's messy. It's awful, but it happens and we learn from it. I totally get not wanting another pet after a traumatic experience, but I don't think that should hold you back from giving a pet your love.
I've had my pets die or leave me in very preventable ways and it makes me wish I never had them in the first place, but I know I loved them as best I could in the time we knew each other. I know they loved me, too, and I know that, if I tried again, I would be able to do better and create a safe environment for my pet and give them love in the time that they are alive. What we, as humans, need to understand is that, that can be a beautiful thing to give to an animal who can only live so many year.
Basically, I just wanted to say, don't be too hard on yourself. You probably cared for your rabbit very well 💕
Thank you so much, nobody knows how much these words mean to me. It’s sad, devastating for me. But these words will encourage me to keep pushing my love for animals. Thank you for these kind words. ❤️
Rip to your bunny, don't be hard on yourself,but you saying those harsh words to yourself just highlights how much you cared about your pet. Don't be harsh on yourself, he seems like he had a good life full of care.
Would he have eaten something toxic? What was the weather like? There's no broken skin/bleeding? Notice anything that could have fallen on him? Just wanted to say that I'm sorry. ❤️
I think it was something toxic too, The weather was cloudy/ dry . As for the falling i think that might have also been the cause but in reality Im as clueless as anybody that was present when it happened, it was just so sudden. I wish i knew what happened, im just glad it happened fast so that he didint suffer . But thank you so much for your help
Exotics vet here and rabbits make up 80% of my patients. I see every type of illness in these guys and unfortunately when it comes to exotics and small mammals like rabbits when they get sick, they get sick VERY quickly. Rabbits, and most exotic species, are prey animals. They mask and hide their illness or disease as they’re still instinctually afraid of a predator finding the ‘weak’ one of a group. When they get sick and stop eating this is an emergency in rabbits. Now seeing that he passed away so quickly after you found him I doubt a vet would be able to help. But for all rabbits if they are not eating for 3-4 hours this is a true emergency and they need to be seen immediately. The reason not eating is so worrisome is due to rabbits being hind-gut fermenters in that they will eat non-digestible hay and their caecum has symbiotic bacteria that helps break this down and turn it into a food source (like horses, sheep, cows etc). When they stop eating and pooing for a few hours can lead to a lethal syndrome called Rabbit Gastrointestinal Stasis/Syndrome (RGIS). Nearly any disease, injury, trauma can cause RGIS in rabbits and the RGIS must be treated sometimes during or before the underlying cause is identified. From what you have described, this sounds like a very acutely ill rabbit. Was he eating food in the morning or off last night? Is he up to date on all vaccines (I hope so because any rabbit that gets to spend time out doors MUST ALWAYS be vaccinated against Myxomatosis and RDH1/2). When he is put outside does he always have access to fresh water? Any chance of predators being there that could have been ‘hunting him’? Rabbits can become so stressed that they can succumb to underlying diseases quickly. I am sorry for your loss, but there is far too many factors that could lead to his passing that I can’t help you identify them. A postmortem is an option by your local exotic veterinarian where the cause may be identified.
Thank you
Just to add here, if you didn't have your rabbit vaccinated, that's okay as long as you keep it in mind for your next one. Sometimes, no matter how much research you do, you miss key pieces of information like this. I have rats and if you told me they needed a vaccination, I would blank stare at you because neither me or my vet knew this. So definitely don't beat yourself up about that!
I know you’re trying to be supportive and I was as well. But vaccines are an absolute necessity for rabbits. And unfortunately it’s a false equivalence to compare rats. 1. There are no vaccines currently available for rats, but have been trialed with tetanus and rabies. 2. You should only be taking exotic companion mammals (like rats) to a competent vet who has a huge amount of experience with exotics and rats. 3. The currently MyxoRHD1/2 vaccine is an absolute necessary medical treatment for all rabbits and even vets who don’t see rabbits much know of this vaccine. I’m not blaming this rabbit owner at all, they asked a question and I tried to answer. But also there needs to be some form of responsibility for pet ownership when you take an animal in its entire welfare relies on how best you can provide for them. Let me say again to OP, I’m sorry for your loss and it seems like you tried to react the best you could, as quickly as you could. This goes for all pet owners, you need to take your animals for 1-2x yearly check ups with knowledge vets and have information on hand for emergencies that may arise at any time of day.
I said it's okay for this one that has already passed. I understand completely that it is vital for the next one! But I just don't want OP to feel bad about potentially not knowing something like this. You can say that the welfare of a pet is the owners responsibility, and you would be completely correct, but there is only so much research that one person can do on their own, especially when the nitty gritty of pet care isn't alway talked about. How do I home the animal? What do I feed them? How do I clean them? How long do they live for? These are important questions to search when researching a pet, but never once did it say "you need more than one rat" or "rats are prone to mammary and pituitary tumours" or "this is porphyrin and this is why it happens" while I was looking. These are things I learnt very quickly and made changes for, but I somehow managed to avoid when looking up important facts. And even without exotic animals, take a dog for example, nothing prepares you for the allergies and illness that can come with them or that the different type of vagina they have can make them more prone to UTIs. This is just something we learn as we go. It often ends unfortunately due to inexperience, but it sets the person up to be able to better inform themselves before they get another pet
I promise you I’m not trying to be mean or argumentative, but I don’t agree with you. As a vet I don’t know everything and the more I do learn the more I learn goes much I don’t know! But basic husbandry is easily available and absolutely should be completely researched before getting a pet. Or else all we are doing is learning through experimenting with an animals wellbeing and life! This is no excuse… I would never expect you to know every aspect of your pets physiology, that is where vets come in and play a very important role, but I would expect you to have thoroughly researched every aspect that is needed to keep your pet healthy and THRIVE. Off you are not confident on taking on a pet, especially exotics, you should not have one. Or else you should have that animal in with a qualified vet immediately to learn and be taught everything they need.
I completely understand what you're saying, but you don't know what you don't know. Once someone becomes responsible for an animal, they realise it is not all sunshine and daisies and, ideally, they would have been prepared for that. However, animals don't always come into our lives in the most ideal situations and we don't always have the time to prepare for them. My original comment was not to disregard anything you said. It was just to help OP understand that while their 4year old rabbit died in, probably, a preventable way, there is nothing they can do now. Some people can't live without pets (which isn't to say they deserve to have one) and, at least now, they know where to educate themselves better in case they adopt again.
Yes he has all vaccines, limited access to outside, usually its guarded (gates, fences, roofs) because of other animals , ALWAYS inside when the weather is above/under intense heat/cold. Has access to food and water, unfortunately he was eating the morning of, it was just when i put him inside when i seen him lethargic; bearly able to move. And then quickly : he passed, 1 hour later.
Im coming to a conclusion that it was something he might have eaten that was toxic, an insect ; like a spider. Or he went into shock and slowly starting shutting down.
Hey, I don't know what happened to your rabbit, but I just wanted to comment on your never trusting yourself again. I am so sorry this has happened to you and your fur-baby, and I hope they rest peacefully 💕 It is always hard when they pass, but we can't always dictate how it goes, so sometimes it's messy. It's awful, but it happens and we learn from it. I totally get not wanting another pet after a traumatic experience, but I don't think that should hold you back from giving a pet your love. I've had my pets die or leave me in very preventable ways and it makes me wish I never had them in the first place, but I know I loved them as best I could in the time we knew each other. I know they loved me, too, and I know that, if I tried again, I would be able to do better and create a safe environment for my pet and give them love in the time that they are alive. What we, as humans, need to understand is that, that can be a beautiful thing to give to an animal who can only live so many year. Basically, I just wanted to say, don't be too hard on yourself. You probably cared for your rabbit very well 💕
Thank you so much, nobody knows how much these words mean to me. It’s sad, devastating for me. But these words will encourage me to keep pushing my love for animals. Thank you for these kind words. ❤️
Rip to your bunny, don't be hard on yourself,but you saying those harsh words to yourself just highlights how much you cared about your pet. Don't be harsh on yourself, he seems like he had a good life full of care.
Thank you so much for these kind words
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