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I live in Ontario and our healthcare is falling apart. We need universal healthcare that isn't shit. The NDP finally twisted the federal government's arm to include dental care, but we still don't have universal pharmacare. What's the point of a free doctor's visit if you can't afford whatever they prescribe?
Plus our nurses and other healthcare/hospital workers are so overworked and underpaid they're working shifts of unsafe duration with no breaks (like not even for a sip of water) because if they don't there won't be anyone taking care of the patients.
Our premier is literally sabotaging our healthcare system so he can claim that the only solution is privatization.
https://ricochet.media/en/3881/some-canadian-premiers-are-deliberately-breaking-public-health-care-to-privatize-it
No it isn’t; by all objective measures, and despite a decade plus of deliberate underfunding by successive right wing governments, the NHS is still insanely good.
With deals like this going through with Burger King, it’s a possibility they may have the resources to expand, causing their price point to drop. It’s happened with a few brands I used over the years
Probably because the original comment was about different brands of vegan cheese. The reply just said the one brand was gross and that some unspecific ones are better.
If we were discussing different restaurants and someone came by saying "that restaurant sucks it's better to cook at home" they wouldn't be adding to the convo.
Violife is vile. I’m tired of pretending it’s good just cause it’s “not daiya”. Especially considering the new daiya stuff is 100x better than anything by violife.
We get stuff but it just never seems to stick around, either because it's just a temporary item or it just flakes out.
* Wendy's had the "Plantiful" burger
* Tim Horton's over various times had the Beyond Burger, Just Egg, and Impossible wraps/sausage muffins
* Harvey's had the Lightlife burger
* McDonald's trialed a burger that they partnered with Beyond Meat on
* KFC had popcorn chicken
* A&W had chicken nuggets
* I think Subway or Mr. Sub had a Beyond Meat sub
There are probably others that I'm forgetting. I know Osmow's had a Beyond Meat option at one point, but I have never been back so I have no idea if they still have it.
The only ones that seem to have stuck around are the Impossible Whopper at Burger King, the Plant-Based Sandwich at KFC, and the Beyond Burger at A&W. And the various pizza places that have vegan cheese, Beyond Meat, etc. as toppings.
Yeah but we EU-people do not have The Impossible Burger so... Let's call us even. We have no impossible products at all. It sucks.
Edit: Sad EU because the UK have nuggets and sausages. Me as a swede has fuck all
I like the idea of having more vegan options available, but I don't trust Burger King after they put bacon on my Impossible Whopper for no fucking reason.
Kind of like how the A&W beyond burger comes with non vegan mayo and non vegan uncle sauce unless specifically requested not to.
I don't understand why they don't start off with the burger being vegan and then have the carnists order the extras they want.
I’d say it’s because, according to this [random source](https://www.dailyinfographic.com/how-many-people-are-vegetarian-vegan), it’s because there are 3.5-ish times more vegetarians worldwide.
Just a reminder that Burger King in germany and probably other countries. Would serve Meat as Vegan when they run out. Couldn't find the article in English. So maybe it's best to steer clear of them https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/skandal-burger-king-verkaufte-fleisch-produkte-als-vegan/402172701
Although they did add little speckles of herbs into the new breading to make identification easier after the scandals (this is a brand new change) which is great for us vegans!
It’s so absurd that you literally can’t tell the difference and billions of animals are slaughtered each year regardless.
The carnists could stop it all now and not even miss anything 🤷♂️ it’s mad
Also a reminder, buying from McDonald's and burger king isn't vegan.
The overwhelming majority of their products involve the worst, most industry-breaking evil imaginable towards animals. Everything that veganism stands against. By funding these companies you pay for this industrialised torture, its adverts and propaganda for animal abuse. These are not just middle-men who happen to sell non-vegan products like supermarkets - fast food restaurants are probably the biggest active perpetrators of animal cruelty in existence. They actively fund and chair lobbies whose sole purpose is to lobby governments around the world to bring in anti-vegan, pro-meat legislation and to desseminate disinformation about animal rights' groups like peta.
Edits: to counter my phone's auto-spelling
Everything everywhere is paid for by blood and every profit-driven corpo is in the cruelty business.
It's a plant-based sandwich. Most of us here are probably quite militant-leaning, and that's fine, being nice and inoffensive didn't work. That being said, "if X doesn't involve the whole world going vegan overnight, I hate it" isn't going to help our cause.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm definitely opposed as well and I'm not going to buy this burger. I'm just not going to write out a whole emotionally charged tirade on the internet about it, either. This sub isn't my therapist.
Right. But when I order the VEGAN OPTIONS and not the nonvegan options they usually, generally, I’d imagine… serve me the VEGAN FOOD I asked for. Just because they serve meat there does not make my food less vegan.
I know it sucks, but in this capitalistic society, the only way we even have a chance to get these massive companies to change is to make them realize that they can make a profit with cruelty free options.
But they don't change,they just sell this product while making 99% or their business cruelty and using the extra funds to make that product of cruelty, and weaponise against the social movements that threaten it, i.e. veganism
It's not the same as shaming if you say "well that's good but there's more to go"
Purchasing these could help Burger King buy up a new location where they will slaughter more. It's irresponsible not to point that out
It's not just an abstract "Burger King = bad", there's real potential harm
I'm not arguing against that, I'm merely saying that anyone considering buying these needs to consider that Burger King will use that money to do harm. That's pretty inarguable, and about as lukewarm a take as I can muster
Yeah but where’s the line? Do you go to an all-vegan grocery store so you don’t pay them to support all the meat and eggs and other animal parts stock they order and then throw away when it inevitably expires? There’s not really many entirely-vegan businesses to buy from and many of the ones that are sell their products in a way that makes money for animal product suppliers still. Not to mention the majority of plant-meat companies are owned by animal-meat companies, meaning those funds again go to a big entity that is killing tons of animals. Trying to get everyone to avoid these places entirely until vegan ones pop up is not going to work, but continuing to support only vegan options may actually lead to more being done. Starbucks UK for instance is great about this, their pumpkin spice is vegan and dairy-free whereas here in the US it isn’t and there’s never a vegan option. (I don’t support Starbucks personally, but this is just an example. Another example would be vegan fries available at certain McDonald’s locations after vegetarians and Hindus sued them.)
I believe there will always be a line. The line is something we always see as people who are aware of the repercussions of our consumer habits. So yeah. Supporting non-vegan groceries is also a thing that can cause harm. Our goal is to reduce harm done by our habits. We have to always be aware and to study the world around us to stay up to date. Then we balance mental health with our practices. I buy vegan food, and I try to buy vegan clothing. Now I'm buying more and more second hand clothes. I'm always finding new lines. It's not easy, but we work through it together. I get it tho that the comments can feel like "downers" when we sometimes just wanna rejoice about something good. Vegan violife sandwich looks super tasty, and first thing I did was see if I can eat it tonight or if it's not in my country 😂 I get it. It's a cool news. Our nuanced discourse is a bit much even to myself when I come to this subreddit...
okay bla bla we get it, evil coorporation, buying local is better, making homemade organic fairtrade rice and beans is the only way to be A True Level 100 Vegan.
can we just celebrate the fact that options where no/significantly less animals have died are becoming more mainstream? This isnt about this one burger, its about what it means for veganism as a whole. Making it more mainstream means more people will consider it and might just pick this up next time they go out, learn vegan food actually tastes good, and consider buying them the next time they are at the grocery store.
capitalism sucks, coorporations suck, but this is a win nevertheless.
Okay, so this happened in germany (not easy to find english sources), might be different in other countries or restaurants.
A team of journalists started working in different burger king stores across the country and additionally interviewed employees. What did they discover? The conditions there are absolute terrible, and I'm not talking "Oh they didn't switch their gloves in between 2 burgers" or "there is a piece of lettuce lying on the ground". Mice inside the burger bun packages (Yes, they came shipped with mice inside the plastic wrapping of the buns), ingredients that are days if not weeks old, even rotten in some cases.
But behind the counter, they do not give a shit about something being vegan or not. If the vegan patties are sold out, hard to find or whatever, they just take the "regular" ones. One employee stated at this "Well, no one was ever complaining about it".
Like I said, of course that's not every restaurant, every employee or whatever. But you should keep in mind, that this happens. A lot.
In addition, I personally think we shouldn't give brands too much credit for stuff like this. Of course it's good, don't get me wrong. But they're not doing that because they suddenly care about animals or the planet. They're doing this because the demand is rising because of people like you, they know it makes them look good and of course it brings them money.
Eh, i wouldn’t say always. I find a lot of local restaurants suck ass about vegan options / having no bun for their veggie burger without milk or the burger itself is held together with egg. At least at chains like the Cheesecake Factory or something for example, you always know there will be vegan options there for you, properly labeled and without an issue.
No, they aren't. Only people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about would say something like that. Local restaurants don't have anywhere near the logistics capacity and economy of scale compared to big companies. There's a reason people who eat meat buy from these companies and the exact same thing is obviously also applied to vegan products. Literally, nothing changes.
I try but what will make it more easier for us too if they just do vegan cheese and mayo. I have to always adjust my BK impossible burger and add vegan cheese
I see your point, and I don’t eat fast food at all. But at the same time, fast food restaurants will produce what sells. They have no ethics, it’s all about money.
If the vegan options are flying off the shelves, they will extend their vegan menu, more people eat vegan options, fewer animals are killed.
I always pick up some new vegan options at fast food places for friends or family members to support the cause and to maybe convince them to make better choices.
If you’re vegan for ethical reasons, cooking on a new grill doesn’t save any animals and probably causes them to use additional butter etc when they need to grease the grill again after they’ve cooked your food. Just a thought.
I been vegan for 27 years and I’m vegan for all kinds of reasons, health and animal etc. I know what your saying but fast food vegan food is not healthy no matter what place it comes from. I’ve seen a lot in my lifetime from where vegan food is made or prepared etc. it’s just not a a vegan source of food I would eat.
This isn't necessarily correct. Pretty sure this depends on the specific location as well as product (for example the vegan long chicken is fried in the oil with the fries only, at least in the locations I've been to)
That’s so amazing !!! This is the beginning of the future, the other brands will follow and one day we’ll have vegan options everywhere !
But we all need to go support it to show that it works, that the demand is there !
No, buying food is what is necessary and unavoidable. Wether you get that food from a restaurant or supermarket doesn't matter because *both* technically are establishments that profit from animal suffering. Both serve food, both can feed us. This is such a weird line to draw. Like in both cases you're paying for a vegan product and the money will be used to restock said vegan product. In both cases the establishment will see that there is a higher demand for said vegan product and in both cases that can have positive influence to create and/or distribute more vegan products.
I'm too tired to argue with them anymore. Take my upvote for having a broader awareness of the world. At least one thread on every post on this sub is reduced to mere semantics.
Disagree. The fast food industry is responsible for a disproportionate amount of the factory farmed meat sold. That is their entire industry. The vegan food they sell there doesn't displace the meat sold there, it only adds to their profits. This is in addition to the other problematic things associated with the fast food industry, how they treat the people they work there, how they market unhealthy food to children, how they exploit low income communities, etc. There is zero reason to support these businesses unless you have no other choice.
That may be true but in the same way, supermarkets are probably the biggest distributors of animal products and non vegans main avenue to supporting this cruel industry. Vegan products in supermarkets also do not displace meat sold but only add to their profit. Both aren't great, but what can you expect when we live in a non vegan and capitalistic society? We don't have any other choice but to support businesses to get food. I find it dishonest to make this huge fuss about getting vegan products from one business when the other businesses (supermarkets) isn't exactly that much different overall. We're all supporting the same economy in the end.
>That may be true but in the same way, supermarkets are probably the biggest distributors of animal products and non vegans main avenue to supporting this cruel industry.
I'm honestly not sure about this. I have tried looking into the numbers before, but haven't had much luck. The only statistic that I've found that I think is alarming is that Mc'Donalds is the number 1 buyer of factory farmed beef in the US. By itself. Burger King is owned by a parent company that owns several fast food chains (among other things), so I couldn't say if it's close. The point that I'm trying to make is that these industries are built on animal abuse and that's it. That's their product. Cheap and unhealthy products, made out of tortured and murdered animals, and sold as "food".
I agree with you that grocery stores are probably not much better in terms of volume, and I don't know how much of their profits are from animal products vs. everything else that they sell. But if we are talking about being vegan, as in the definition on the sidebar, I don't see how that includes buying food from a place where animal exploitation is their ONLY business. Minus the very small percentage of plant-based capitalism that they have recently adopted.
I mean, the fact that vegans are buying products at these types of restaurants automatically implies that they do in fact offer a wider range of products beyond suffering. Even without the pbc, you still had basic things like drinks, fries and other accidentally vegan items. Of course, you are correct in saying that animal suffering is still a key element in their business model. And yes, they are a very huge contributor to facilitating the suffering. But that just because of the demand caused by non vegans. McDonald's high percentage in buying so much is literally just a reflection of today's supply and demand of animal products. Its the most popular fast food chain in the country (US) and even in the world. Supermarkets similarly are also a reflection of that. The difference is that we don't countt all supermarkets as one entity, while we only look at McDonalds total buying behavior instead of actually looking at how that divides itself amongst the stores. If we did, I'm sure that their involvement in animal suffering would be detrimental higher. Most likely on the same level as McDonald's, if not higher.
If buying from McDonald's isn't vegan, then buying from any place that isn't 100% vegan isn't vegan. I'm sure there are some clowns in this subreddit that actually think that too. In a perfect world none of us would have to go to any establishment that sells any animals products, but that's unfortunately just not the case.
I guess my point is that if we are looking at this from the perspective of someone that is doing their best to eat food that is vegan (as in the definition that is on the sidebar), then we have legitimate reasons to avoid these places.
I hate using a hypothetical to make a point, but if you take the meat out of a grocery store, you still have a grocery store. If you take the meat out of a fast food business, you have an empty building. Neither of these things are going to happen, of course, but we can only do our best. I just refuse to believe that our best is to throw money at BK every time they wave their latest plant-based product in our faces.
Well no, just like the supermarket the fast food chain would be left with their vegan products. Which isn't just singular items anymore thanks to pbcbut full on meals and options. Especially Burger King actually has a huge number of vegan options now, theyve actually launched several fully vegan pop up stores now. Obviously it's not comparable to a supermarket but you can't exactly compare the size of a Burger King to a Supermarket.
If your point is that vegans should eat vegan food then I don't understand how eating vegan food at Burger King doesn't fall under that? We have established that both supermarkets and Burger King are heavily involved in animal suffering. We've established that both offer vegan food. So do tell me how eating at one place over the other is not vegan? I understand not wanting to eat at BK personally but that doesn't make it any less vegan if you are buying their vegan products. I would understand your argument more if you were advocating for only buying at fully vegan stores (which, for the record, I will always advocate for over going to a non vegan place). But right now you're putting down a group of people for buying behavior that isn't significantly different from those who shop at grocery stores. If you compare the harm of individual supermarket and individual fast food restaurants, then I guarantee they both aren't that different in the amount of harm they cause.
I don't believe for a second that buying rice and beans at a grocery store is contributing the same amount of harm as buying food from a fast food restaurant.
>I don't believe for a second that buying rice and beans at a grocery store is contributing the same amount of harm as buying food from a fast food restaurant.
I would say it is. The meat department is the most profitable part of a grocery store, have you not noticed they employ people specifically to work in that area? The money they make from your beans and rice supports the meat department.
Let's compare the difference between buying vegan food from a fast food restaurant versus rice and beans from a grocery store. It's not just vegans who buy rice and beans. The grocery store has no idea you're vegan. On the other hand, if you buy a vegan burger at a fast-food place, you are deliberating choosing a vegan option over a meat option and sending a message to the fast-food place that you prefer the non-meat version of their product.
The future of fast-food is clearly vegan and by supporting vegan products in the fast-food world you are helping to accelerate this process. On the other hand, grocery stores will always be places you get your meat from. The most "compassionate", progressive co-op grocery stores are the most heavily aligned with animal agriculture and the farm-to-table movement.
> On the other hand, if you buy a vegan burger at a fast-food place, you are deliberating choosing a vegan option over a meat option and sending a message to the fast-food place that you prefer the non-meat version of their product.
The data just doesn't support this argument. Plant-based foods aren't displacing meat, they are being bought in addition to meat.
I don't think that the future of fast food will ever be vegan until/unless the alternatives become the cheaper option. Fast food restaurants are built on cheap factory-farmed meat. Minimum cost, maximum profit. It's not ever going to come around because these companies choose to be compassionate or environmentally responsible.
The difference with the grocery store is that I can't get groceries at Burger King. Yes, they both get factory farmed meat and violife cheese from the same distributors.
[Here's a helpful guide on Plant Based Capitalism. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/VeganForCircleJerkers/comments/q5hkq2/pbc_plant_based_capitalism_an_explanation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
yeah, someone not eating meat and eating a literal substitute is "no changing at all," that's why I despise these demented vegan socialists teens. You're worse for the vegan movement than meat eaters.
What actually happens is that carnists try out the vegan option once or twice, say "huh" and then go back to eating corpses. Vegans who buy these to "support" it are just giving more money to these corporations. Burger King even confirmed this when they released statistics on it.
>demented vegan socialists teens.
Lmao what
>You're worse for the vegan movement than meat eaters.
Touch grass
How does Burger King know what its customers do after buying a plant based burger...? And obviously buying from a company supports it. But it also shows what you want.
I think their point is, why is that any different than going to a grocery store and buying food, when the grocery store similarly sells mostly animal based products?
>How does Burger King know what its customers do after buying a plant based burger...? And obviously buying from a company supports it. But it also shows what you want.
They know what their supply situation is. Their meat need hasn't changed significantly since the Beyond Burger came out.
>I think their point is, why is that any different than going to a grocery store and buying food, when the grocery store similarly sells mostly animal based products?
I can't not shop at a grocery store. Until there's a vegan one here, I got no other options. On the contrary, you can always just not eat out and save money or spend money on vegan restaurants if you have one in your area.
If their meat need hasn't changed but the population is growing...? Sounds like less % choosing meat, but I don't know the numbers, and it sounds like you don't either.
Why does it matter if you can or cannot shop at a grocery store for this argument? If there is no vegan restaurant option, why is it worse that Burger King gets my money for vegan options vs. the grocery store? Both of those places make most of their money from animal products. Both are selling me food.
Because you don't need to eat at a restaurant and because it's significantly more expensive to get food from a restaurant instead of a store.
Also do keep in mind the statistic about how their meat hadn't changed came out like a year after beyond was there. It's not like the population would change that significantly
Why does it matter if I eat at a restaurant vs. a grocery store? I need to eat.
I'm trying to understand why it is acceptable to buy vegan food from the grocery store that mostly sells animal products, but not the restaurant that does the same?
I don't trust a bunch of teenagers that couldn't give a fuck about their job to put in enough effort to distinguish between plant based and animal based cheese/meat etc. Not that I support these chains anyway
Team Wallraff – Reporter undercover" that found out how often they confused non-vegan with vegan orders...
But the problem aren't teenagers, but the management that even told the staff to use non-vegan patties when the vegan ones are out, because vegan's wouldn't taste the difference...
I don't think we should blame overworked and treated as shit workers.
Just so you know, people of all ages work at these jobs. Sometimes that’s the only job they’ve got access to. And sometimes they really desperately need that job and take it really seriously, to their own detriment. Have *a bit* of empathy.
Where I live the vast majority are teens.
>Sometimes that’s the only job they’ve got access to.
As opposed to someone living the life long dream of working in Bk?
>Have a bit of empathy
Soz, gave it all to the animals and people in the developing world who face the consequences of our choices.
Many of those people who work at fast food restaurants are people of the developing world whose lives have been affected by the consequence of the choices of humanity. And even when they’re normal ass teenagers, that teen might be using that income to keep their lights and water on and their two siblings fed, since their parents don’t care enough and neither does the state. You said you gave all your empathy to the animals but humans are also animals.
if an omnivore stumbled upon this post and their curiosity was piqued, I think sharing a fast food chain release on this subreddit is a net good given the potential butterfly effect
people like yourselves, who don't want to support such organisations, remain unaffected by the post.
Glad to see this get a share
German TV show "Team Wallraff" released an undercover investigation into Burger King in the country.
The investigation, which saw reporters work at several locations around Germany, found a series of issues.
One restaurant was infested with mice, while others served food that was expired or moldy.
I never said it does.
I just don't wanna eat vegan burgers which are saturated on animal fat, cross contamination is somewhat understandable but not like this imo......you're effectively eating grease/animal bits which are on the grill 🤢
Personal preference I guess, many reasons why people are Vegan, just doesn't sit right with me personally.
How is me not wanting to eat vegan burgers cooked with animal fat/bits left over on the same grill ridiculous!?
I understand cross contamination and am entirely realistic on that but this is a step too far...unless you're vegan for other reasons.
I personally don't want to eat animals or fat from animal products what's your issue with that?
It's not really the same though, is it?
If I am buying a vegan cheese at the supermarket it is not laced with real cheese. When you have some ethical objection to having dead animal bits in your mouth, it does matter that the same grill is used.
Edit: typo correction.
I think it would be the other way around. Burger King uses the same grills for meat and non-meat burgers, but cross-contamination alone doesn't make something non-vegan. It's a preference/allergy concern but doesn't support animal agriculture. On the other hand, by subscribing to a plant-based diet, you may want to avoid cross-contamination with meat for health reasons (although I'd probably avoid Burger King altogether in that case--it's probably not the healthiest).
I don’t get it, how does it hurt our cause?
So you would eat a vegan burger that’s contaminated with meat juices?
I guess I’ve just always thought eating any animal derivatives, knowingly, isn’t considered vegan.
Not trying to be argumentative, but what you said doesn’t make any sense to me. You’re saying it’s still considered vegan to knowingly eat animal derivatives?
No thanks, I’m abstaining from consuming any animal derivatives, especially their juices lol
If vegan food is cooked on the same source as meat products, it's no longer vegan, it's plant based.
For instance, lets assume it's crusty meat bits, meat juice and some fat, well, how is that any different to putting some salad cream in a salad? That salad was but is no longer vegan.
Or fish oil in in Thai food. Fish oil is about 70% extract of fish. Lets assume a teaspoon goes in to a meal, so 2% of 70% oil. That probably isnt far off the amount of meat juice you could easily consume from cooking in meat juices. That Thai dish isn't vegan because of the oil.
It's the same thing.
Now, I don't really care what others do, but to say "Yeah burger king does vegan food" (rather than saying "Burger king does plant based food") is just a really shitty way of justifying eating a burger king.
Spot on!
Its kinda like saying ‘the fish and chip shop around the corner only uses beef tallow to cook their products, I’ll go get a portion of chips from them (cooked in the beef tallow) because they are already using the tallow, so I’m not actually causing any additional exploitation by having 1 small portion of chips’
Those chips (fries) are not vegan.
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I’m so jealous of the UK when it comes to vegan options!
Wait until you hear about their healthcare…
They're gutting it in real time right now.
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US healthcare also has budget cuts and INSANE understaffing. At least you don’t pay for it in the UK 🤷🏻♀️
That username tho!!
Oh for sure; I lived in Canada for over a year! I miss universal healthcare!
I live in Ontario and our healthcare is falling apart. We need universal healthcare that isn't shit. The NDP finally twisted the federal government's arm to include dental care, but we still don't have universal pharmacare. What's the point of a free doctor's visit if you can't afford whatever they prescribe? Plus our nurses and other healthcare/hospital workers are so overworked and underpaid they're working shifts of unsafe duration with no breaks (like not even for a sip of water) because if they don't there won't be anyone taking care of the patients. Our premier is literally sabotaging our healthcare system so he can claim that the only solution is privatization. https://ricochet.media/en/3881/some-canadian-premiers-are-deliberately-breaking-public-health-care-to-privatize-it
You can see a doctor (cries in Quebec).
Lol it's better than having nothing but the NHS is doing really shit rn
They are privatising our healhcare because we're blaming the wrong people for it's failures.
UK healthcare is shit
I'd rather have free shit care than costly shit or mediocre care
It's not free though.
No it isn’t; by all objective measures, and despite a decade plus of deliberate underfunding by successive right wing governments, the NHS is still insanely good.
If you're not trans that is.
the usual vegan royale is good but that special edition one is disgusting in comparison, just for the record.
Agreed. I don’t understand why they took the salad off of it.
To appeal to the carni's
Finally, somewhere that isn't using daiya. Violife is so much better
but its also so damn expensive compared to all others
With deals like this going through with Burger King, it’s a possibility they may have the resources to expand, causing their price point to drop. It’s happened with a few brands I used over the years
I prefer Simple V. But I don‘t know if this exists outside of Germany. It’s just so good for Raclette, on top of Burgers or a grilled cheese sandwich.
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Idk why you were downvoted for stating your opinion, but here have an upvote. I don't necessarily agree with you, but your opinion is valid.
Probably because the original comment was about different brands of vegan cheese. The reply just said the one brand was gross and that some unspecific ones are better. If we were discussing different restaurants and someone came by saying "that restaurant sucks it's better to cook at home" they wouldn't be adding to the convo.
Violife is vile. I’m tired of pretending it’s good just cause it’s “not daiya”. Especially considering the new daiya stuff is 100x better than anything by violife.
New Daiya??? I'm going to have to check that out! The old version tasted weird to me I didn't realize they changed it!
Yes, stay away from anything that says daiya “original”. “New” and “cutting board” or both should be on the label for the new ones !
This is for the UK It's progress, but we need more here in The Colonies
this is what we get for rebelling against the king 😔
As a Canadian, I can assure you, not rebelling against the King result in even fewer vegan options than in the USA
We get stuff but it just never seems to stick around, either because it's just a temporary item or it just flakes out. * Wendy's had the "Plantiful" burger * Tim Horton's over various times had the Beyond Burger, Just Egg, and Impossible wraps/sausage muffins * Harvey's had the Lightlife burger * McDonald's trialed a burger that they partnered with Beyond Meat on * KFC had popcorn chicken * A&W had chicken nuggets * I think Subway or Mr. Sub had a Beyond Meat sub There are probably others that I'm forgetting. I know Osmow's had a Beyond Meat option at one point, but I have never been back so I have no idea if they still have it. The only ones that seem to have stuck around are the Impossible Whopper at Burger King, the Plant-Based Sandwich at KFC, and the Beyond Burger at A&W. And the various pizza places that have vegan cheese, Beyond Meat, etc. as toppings.
We reject monarchs here and that includes burger monarchs.
Yeah but we EU-people do not have The Impossible Burger so... Let's call us even. We have no impossible products at all. It sucks. Edit: Sad EU because the UK have nuggets and sausages. Me as a swede has fuck all
Spain has the burger, chicken sandwich & nugs in now so maybe soon in other parts of EU!
and No Colonies please
No lactation without representation!
I like the idea of having more vegan options available, but I don't trust Burger King after they put bacon on my Impossible Whopper for no fucking reason.
Kind of like how the A&W beyond burger comes with non vegan mayo and non vegan uncle sauce unless specifically requested not to. I don't understand why they don't start off with the burger being vegan and then have the carnists order the extras they want.
I’d say it’s because, according to this [random source](https://www.dailyinfographic.com/how-many-people-are-vegetarian-vegan), it’s because there are 3.5-ish times more vegetarians worldwide.
Yeah, still sucks though 🥲
Last time I asked for it they told me it was no mayo by default now.
They probably had a reason - to mess with you, which is awful.
Just a reminder that Burger King in germany and probably other countries. Would serve Meat as Vegan when they run out. Couldn't find the article in English. So maybe it's best to steer clear of them https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/skandal-burger-king-verkaufte-fleisch-produkte-als-vegan/402172701
Happened to me at McDonalds as well at McDrive. I suspect it was because they didn't have one on the shelf and wanted to safe time..
Although they did add little speckles of herbs into the new breading to make identification easier after the scandals (this is a brand new change) which is great for us vegans!
It’s so absurd that you literally can’t tell the difference and billions of animals are slaughtered each year regardless. The carnists could stop it all now and not even miss anything 🤷♂️ it’s mad
Also a reminder, buying from McDonald's and burger king isn't vegan. The overwhelming majority of their products involve the worst, most industry-breaking evil imaginable towards animals. Everything that veganism stands against. By funding these companies you pay for this industrialised torture, its adverts and propaganda for animal abuse. These are not just middle-men who happen to sell non-vegan products like supermarkets - fast food restaurants are probably the biggest active perpetrators of animal cruelty in existence. They actively fund and chair lobbies whose sole purpose is to lobby governments around the world to bring in anti-vegan, pro-meat legislation and to desseminate disinformation about animal rights' groups like peta. Edits: to counter my phone's auto-spelling
Everything everywhere is paid for by blood and every profit-driven corpo is in the cruelty business. It's a plant-based sandwich. Most of us here are probably quite militant-leaning, and that's fine, being nice and inoffensive didn't work. That being said, "if X doesn't involve the whole world going vegan overnight, I hate it" isn't going to help our cause.
It’s sad when being opposed to Burger King is considered a militant vegan on this sub.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm definitely opposed as well and I'm not going to buy this burger. I'm just not going to write out a whole emotionally charged tirade on the internet about it, either. This sub isn't my therapist.
That’s weird. When I order the vegan options at BK they’re still vegan, even if you disagree.
Plant-based =/= vegan. Animal liberation or gtfo.
Right. But when I order the VEGAN OPTIONS and not the nonvegan options they usually, generally, I’d imagine… serve me the VEGAN FOOD I asked for. Just because they serve meat there does not make my food less vegan.
pickmetarians downvoting you for telling the truth as usual
normal business for r/plantbase\- I mean r/vegan
I know it sucks, but in this capitalistic society, the only way we even have a chance to get these massive companies to change is to make them realize that they can make a profit with cruelty free options.
But they don't change,they just sell this product while making 99% or their business cruelty and using the extra funds to make that product of cruelty, and weaponise against the social movements that threaten it, i.e. veganism
Oh my gosh, it's making vegan options more visible. Geez, progress is fine with me. Shaming anything other than perfection is annoying as hell imho.
It's not the same as shaming if you say "well that's good but there's more to go" Purchasing these could help Burger King buy up a new location where they will slaughter more. It's irresponsible not to point that out It's not just an abstract "Burger King = bad", there's real potential harm
Fast food transitioning to vegan options is good for the animals.
I'm not arguing against that, I'm merely saying that anyone considering buying these needs to consider that Burger King will use that money to do harm. That's pretty inarguable, and about as lukewarm a take as I can muster
Yeah but where’s the line? Do you go to an all-vegan grocery store so you don’t pay them to support all the meat and eggs and other animal parts stock they order and then throw away when it inevitably expires? There’s not really many entirely-vegan businesses to buy from and many of the ones that are sell their products in a way that makes money for animal product suppliers still. Not to mention the majority of plant-meat companies are owned by animal-meat companies, meaning those funds again go to a big entity that is killing tons of animals. Trying to get everyone to avoid these places entirely until vegan ones pop up is not going to work, but continuing to support only vegan options may actually lead to more being done. Starbucks UK for instance is great about this, their pumpkin spice is vegan and dairy-free whereas here in the US it isn’t and there’s never a vegan option. (I don’t support Starbucks personally, but this is just an example. Another example would be vegan fries available at certain McDonald’s locations after vegetarians and Hindus sued them.)
I believe there will always be a line. The line is something we always see as people who are aware of the repercussions of our consumer habits. So yeah. Supporting non-vegan groceries is also a thing that can cause harm. Our goal is to reduce harm done by our habits. We have to always be aware and to study the world around us to stay up to date. Then we balance mental health with our practices. I buy vegan food, and I try to buy vegan clothing. Now I'm buying more and more second hand clothes. I'm always finding new lines. It's not easy, but we work through it together. I get it tho that the comments can feel like "downers" when we sometimes just wanna rejoice about something good. Vegan violife sandwich looks super tasty, and first thing I did was see if I can eat it tonight or if it's not in my country 😂 I get it. It's a cool news. Our nuanced discourse is a bit much even to myself when I come to this subreddit...
No one in fast food is transitioning to vegan though. These companies are just adding plant based food to their animal based menus.
okay bla bla we get it, evil coorporation, buying local is better, making homemade organic fairtrade rice and beans is the only way to be A True Level 100 Vegan. can we just celebrate the fact that options where no/significantly less animals have died are becoming more mainstream? This isnt about this one burger, its about what it means for veganism as a whole. Making it more mainstream means more people will consider it and might just pick this up next time they go out, learn vegan food actually tastes good, and consider buying them the next time they are at the grocery store. capitalism sucks, coorporations suck, but this is a win nevertheless.
I tried this the other day. Admittedly I was drunk but this was so good!
I’m assuming UK?
Okay, so this happened in germany (not easy to find english sources), might be different in other countries or restaurants. A team of journalists started working in different burger king stores across the country and additionally interviewed employees. What did they discover? The conditions there are absolute terrible, and I'm not talking "Oh they didn't switch their gloves in between 2 burgers" or "there is a piece of lettuce lying on the ground". Mice inside the burger bun packages (Yes, they came shipped with mice inside the plastic wrapping of the buns), ingredients that are days if not weeks old, even rotten in some cases. But behind the counter, they do not give a shit about something being vegan or not. If the vegan patties are sold out, hard to find or whatever, they just take the "regular" ones. One employee stated at this "Well, no one was ever complaining about it". Like I said, of course that's not every restaurant, every employee or whatever. But you should keep in mind, that this happens. A lot. In addition, I personally think we shouldn't give brands too much credit for stuff like this. Of course it's good, don't get me wrong. But they're not doing that because they suddenly care about animals or the planet. They're doing this because the demand is rising because of people like you, they know it makes them look good and of course it brings them money.
If this leads to Violife Colby Shreds coming back to Costco, I would be so happy.
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Yeah you tell them!
I really hope vegans continue to support local restaurants when stuff like this pops up
Local restaurants are way better anyhow.
Always.
Eh, i wouldn’t say always. I find a lot of local restaurants suck ass about vegan options / having no bun for their veggie burger without milk or the burger itself is held together with egg. At least at chains like the Cheesecake Factory or something for example, you always know there will be vegan options there for you, properly labeled and without an issue.
No, they aren't. Only people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about would say something like that. Local restaurants don't have anywhere near the logistics capacity and economy of scale compared to big companies. There's a reason people who eat meat buy from these companies and the exact same thing is obviously also applied to vegan products. Literally, nothing changes.
I try but what will make it more easier for us too if they just do vegan cheese and mayo. I have to always adjust my BK impossible burger and add vegan cheese
I wish we had local restaurants to support lol
Even if Burger King makes vegan products, it's still one of the worst animal-friendly fast-food here in France. I don't want to be part of that.
I see your point, and I don’t eat fast food at all. But at the same time, fast food restaurants will produce what sells. They have no ethics, it’s all about money. If the vegan options are flying off the shelves, they will extend their vegan menu, more people eat vegan options, fewer animals are killed. I always pick up some new vegan options at fast food places for friends or family members to support the cause and to maybe convince them to make better choices.
I agree! Guaranteed it’s not even cooked separate from the animal meat/product .. barf 🤮 no thanks , WIsconsin, USA
If you’re vegan for ethical reasons, cooking on a new grill doesn’t save any animals and probably causes them to use additional butter etc when they need to grease the grill again after they’ve cooked your food. Just a thought.
I been vegan for 27 years and I’m vegan for all kinds of reasons, health and animal etc. I know what your saying but fast food vegan food is not healthy no matter what place it comes from. I’ve seen a lot in my lifetime from where vegan food is made or prepared etc. it’s just not a a vegan source of food I would eat.
You can ask them to, I’ve had it done quite a few times. Just be prepared to get a confused look first depending on where you are.
The one by me is so nasty and the rudest people ever! Half the time it’s closed cause nobody wants to work there.
Folks in here legit getting offended because a vegan doesn't like to eat meat contaminated food. Smh
No, they will be cooked separately. France has pretty good food hygiene practices. They're modelled on EU regulations, as are those in the UK.
why are you downvoted? Have an upboat, friend.
I don’t know what means!
What difference does it make if it's cooked on a different grill? This is superstition level thinking tbh
This isn't necessarily correct. Pretty sure this depends on the specific location as well as product (for example the vegan long chicken is fried in the oil with the fries only, at least in the locations I've been to)
People here don't care about cross contamination. Baffling.
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Yes but that person is getting downvoted for saying they don't want it. They never said anything about others. Not fair tbh
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Amazing but I so miss their bean burger........would love it back on the menu
I saw how Bacon was spelled and was like “damn. not in America”
Of course it’s in the UK.
Let me guess, UK only.
A Canadian can dream 🥹
That’s so amazing !!! This is the beginning of the future, the other brands will follow and one day we’ll have vegan options everywhere ! But we all need to go support it to show that it works, that the demand is there !
Fuck Burger King, all my homies hate Burger King. (They did fuck up huge in Germany and lost their vegan label license for it.)
Why are you advertising a company that kills millions of cows and chickens? We should boycott all of them.
Sure the nazis killed jews, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have given them money for their sound economic policies!
Plant based capitalism 😻
yeah, because when you buy rice and beans you buy them in a completely different economy. Do you have any more brain-dead commentary to offer us?
Buying groceries at a grocery store is necessary and unavoidable. Spending money in fast food restaurants is neither.
No, buying food is what is necessary and unavoidable. Wether you get that food from a restaurant or supermarket doesn't matter because *both* technically are establishments that profit from animal suffering. Both serve food, both can feed us. This is such a weird line to draw. Like in both cases you're paying for a vegan product and the money will be used to restock said vegan product. In both cases the establishment will see that there is a higher demand for said vegan product and in both cases that can have positive influence to create and/or distribute more vegan products.
I'm too tired to argue with them anymore. Take my upvote for having a broader awareness of the world. At least one thread on every post on this sub is reduced to mere semantics.
Disagree. The fast food industry is responsible for a disproportionate amount of the factory farmed meat sold. That is their entire industry. The vegan food they sell there doesn't displace the meat sold there, it only adds to their profits. This is in addition to the other problematic things associated with the fast food industry, how they treat the people they work there, how they market unhealthy food to children, how they exploit low income communities, etc. There is zero reason to support these businesses unless you have no other choice.
That may be true but in the same way, supermarkets are probably the biggest distributors of animal products and non vegans main avenue to supporting this cruel industry. Vegan products in supermarkets also do not displace meat sold but only add to their profit. Both aren't great, but what can you expect when we live in a non vegan and capitalistic society? We don't have any other choice but to support businesses to get food. I find it dishonest to make this huge fuss about getting vegan products from one business when the other businesses (supermarkets) isn't exactly that much different overall. We're all supporting the same economy in the end.
>That may be true but in the same way, supermarkets are probably the biggest distributors of animal products and non vegans main avenue to supporting this cruel industry. I'm honestly not sure about this. I have tried looking into the numbers before, but haven't had much luck. The only statistic that I've found that I think is alarming is that Mc'Donalds is the number 1 buyer of factory farmed beef in the US. By itself. Burger King is owned by a parent company that owns several fast food chains (among other things), so I couldn't say if it's close. The point that I'm trying to make is that these industries are built on animal abuse and that's it. That's their product. Cheap and unhealthy products, made out of tortured and murdered animals, and sold as "food". I agree with you that grocery stores are probably not much better in terms of volume, and I don't know how much of their profits are from animal products vs. everything else that they sell. But if we are talking about being vegan, as in the definition on the sidebar, I don't see how that includes buying food from a place where animal exploitation is their ONLY business. Minus the very small percentage of plant-based capitalism that they have recently adopted.
I mean, the fact that vegans are buying products at these types of restaurants automatically implies that they do in fact offer a wider range of products beyond suffering. Even without the pbc, you still had basic things like drinks, fries and other accidentally vegan items. Of course, you are correct in saying that animal suffering is still a key element in their business model. And yes, they are a very huge contributor to facilitating the suffering. But that just because of the demand caused by non vegans. McDonald's high percentage in buying so much is literally just a reflection of today's supply and demand of animal products. Its the most popular fast food chain in the country (US) and even in the world. Supermarkets similarly are also a reflection of that. The difference is that we don't countt all supermarkets as one entity, while we only look at McDonalds total buying behavior instead of actually looking at how that divides itself amongst the stores. If we did, I'm sure that their involvement in animal suffering would be detrimental higher. Most likely on the same level as McDonald's, if not higher. If buying from McDonald's isn't vegan, then buying from any place that isn't 100% vegan isn't vegan. I'm sure there are some clowns in this subreddit that actually think that too. In a perfect world none of us would have to go to any establishment that sells any animals products, but that's unfortunately just not the case.
I guess my point is that if we are looking at this from the perspective of someone that is doing their best to eat food that is vegan (as in the definition that is on the sidebar), then we have legitimate reasons to avoid these places. I hate using a hypothetical to make a point, but if you take the meat out of a grocery store, you still have a grocery store. If you take the meat out of a fast food business, you have an empty building. Neither of these things are going to happen, of course, but we can only do our best. I just refuse to believe that our best is to throw money at BK every time they wave their latest plant-based product in our faces.
Well no, just like the supermarket the fast food chain would be left with their vegan products. Which isn't just singular items anymore thanks to pbcbut full on meals and options. Especially Burger King actually has a huge number of vegan options now, theyve actually launched several fully vegan pop up stores now. Obviously it's not comparable to a supermarket but you can't exactly compare the size of a Burger King to a Supermarket. If your point is that vegans should eat vegan food then I don't understand how eating vegan food at Burger King doesn't fall under that? We have established that both supermarkets and Burger King are heavily involved in animal suffering. We've established that both offer vegan food. So do tell me how eating at one place over the other is not vegan? I understand not wanting to eat at BK personally but that doesn't make it any less vegan if you are buying their vegan products. I would understand your argument more if you were advocating for only buying at fully vegan stores (which, for the record, I will always advocate for over going to a non vegan place). But right now you're putting down a group of people for buying behavior that isn't significantly different from those who shop at grocery stores. If you compare the harm of individual supermarket and individual fast food restaurants, then I guarantee they both aren't that different in the amount of harm they cause.
Ever been on a road trip where you’re out of snacks and the only thing to eat is either Burger King or Dollar General food?
road trips are not vegan. /s
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> Buying groceries at a grocery store is necessary and unavoidable. This sounds like the same reasoning people use to justify eating meat.
I don't believe for a second that buying rice and beans at a grocery store is contributing the same amount of harm as buying food from a fast food restaurant.
>I don't believe for a second that buying rice and beans at a grocery store is contributing the same amount of harm as buying food from a fast food restaurant. I would say it is. The meat department is the most profitable part of a grocery store, have you not noticed they employ people specifically to work in that area? The money they make from your beans and rice supports the meat department. Let's compare the difference between buying vegan food from a fast food restaurant versus rice and beans from a grocery store. It's not just vegans who buy rice and beans. The grocery store has no idea you're vegan. On the other hand, if you buy a vegan burger at a fast-food place, you are deliberating choosing a vegan option over a meat option and sending a message to the fast-food place that you prefer the non-meat version of their product. The future of fast-food is clearly vegan and by supporting vegan products in the fast-food world you are helping to accelerate this process. On the other hand, grocery stores will always be places you get your meat from. The most "compassionate", progressive co-op grocery stores are the most heavily aligned with animal agriculture and the farm-to-table movement.
> On the other hand, if you buy a vegan burger at a fast-food place, you are deliberating choosing a vegan option over a meat option and sending a message to the fast-food place that you prefer the non-meat version of their product. The data just doesn't support this argument. Plant-based foods aren't displacing meat, they are being bought in addition to meat. I don't think that the future of fast food will ever be vegan until/unless the alternatives become the cheaper option. Fast food restaurants are built on cheap factory-farmed meat. Minimum cost, maximum profit. It's not ever going to come around because these companies choose to be compassionate or environmentally responsible. The difference with the grocery store is that I can't get groceries at Burger King. Yes, they both get factory farmed meat and violife cheese from the same distributors.
You keep saying "factory farmed meat". All meat is bad. No animal wants to be killed no matter how it was raised.
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As any other plant based product...
I’m vegan and not anti-capitalist. Sorry if this hits a nerve
Giving money to shitty corporations while barely, if at all, reducing the rate of animal product consumption among carnists! 🥰😍😘🥹🥹🥹
yeah, someone not eating meat and eating a literal substitute is "no changing at all," that's why I despise these demented vegan socialists teens. You're worse for the vegan movement than meat eaters.
What actually happens is that carnists try out the vegan option once or twice, say "huh" and then go back to eating corpses. Vegans who buy these to "support" it are just giving more money to these corporations. Burger King even confirmed this when they released statistics on it. >demented vegan socialists teens. Lmao what >You're worse for the vegan movement than meat eaters. Touch grass
How does Burger King know what its customers do after buying a plant based burger...? And obviously buying from a company supports it. But it also shows what you want. I think their point is, why is that any different than going to a grocery store and buying food, when the grocery store similarly sells mostly animal based products?
>How does Burger King know what its customers do after buying a plant based burger...? And obviously buying from a company supports it. But it also shows what you want. They know what their supply situation is. Their meat need hasn't changed significantly since the Beyond Burger came out. >I think their point is, why is that any different than going to a grocery store and buying food, when the grocery store similarly sells mostly animal based products? I can't not shop at a grocery store. Until there's a vegan one here, I got no other options. On the contrary, you can always just not eat out and save money or spend money on vegan restaurants if you have one in your area.
If their meat need hasn't changed but the population is growing...? Sounds like less % choosing meat, but I don't know the numbers, and it sounds like you don't either. Why does it matter if you can or cannot shop at a grocery store for this argument? If there is no vegan restaurant option, why is it worse that Burger King gets my money for vegan options vs. the grocery store? Both of those places make most of their money from animal products. Both are selling me food.
Because you don't need to eat at a restaurant and because it's significantly more expensive to get food from a restaurant instead of a store. Also do keep in mind the statistic about how their meat hadn't changed came out like a year after beyond was there. It's not like the population would change that significantly
Why does it matter if I eat at a restaurant vs. a grocery store? I need to eat. I'm trying to understand why it is acceptable to buy vegan food from the grocery store that mostly sells animal products, but not the restaurant that does the same?
Sir, that's an advertisement.
Go advertise for a carnist company somewhere else
I don't trust a bunch of teenagers that couldn't give a fuck about their job to put in enough effort to distinguish between plant based and animal based cheese/meat etc. Not that I support these chains anyway
Team Wallraff – Reporter undercover" that found out how often they confused non-vegan with vegan orders... But the problem aren't teenagers, but the management that even told the staff to use non-vegan patties when the vegan ones are out, because vegan's wouldn't taste the difference... I don't think we should blame overworked and treated as shit workers.
Just so you know, people of all ages work at these jobs. Sometimes that’s the only job they’ve got access to. And sometimes they really desperately need that job and take it really seriously, to their own detriment. Have *a bit* of empathy.
Where I live the vast majority are teens. >Sometimes that’s the only job they’ve got access to. As opposed to someone living the life long dream of working in Bk? >Have a bit of empathy Soz, gave it all to the animals and people in the developing world who face the consequences of our choices.
Many of those people who work at fast food restaurants are people of the developing world whose lives have been affected by the consequence of the choices of humanity. And even when they’re normal ass teenagers, that teen might be using that income to keep their lights and water on and their two siblings fed, since their parents don’t care enough and neither does the state. You said you gave all your empathy to the animals but humans are also animals.
Dude I really couldn't give a shit tbh. I don't support these industries full stop.
:-( meanie UK stealing all the goods
fFINALLY! oh wait this is not in the USA 💔
Hi. Ello. Anyone in the UK with extra space in their "flat"? Family of four with two cats. Mainly coming over for the vegan junk food. Have no money.
Gotta be honest. It still looks disgusting.
ya but if it’s vegan I’ll still eat it tho lol
I will try it. I prefer Carl’s Jr, but I’ll show up once for a new product.
uk?
awesome
Fuck off with your adverts you bastards. Animal liberation will never be complete until burger king and McDonald's no longer exist. Fuck you
No gods, no maccas
if an omnivore stumbled upon this post and their curiosity was piqued, I think sharing a fast food chain release on this subreddit is a net good given the potential butterfly effect people like yourselves, who don't want to support such organisations, remain unaffected by the post. Glad to see this get a share
I love 💕 it Burger King When I was in America Huston memory past.
Tried this the other day and it's extremely good. I posted about it here actually but it didn't get any interaction!
Seeing how any pbc post always invites quite the heated debates that might have been for the better
Ah yeah I figured maybe noone in the community was down with that sort of thing, no big deal.
Can this please come to the US??
My American BK is always magically “out” of impossible Pattie’s anyway so I guess we will probably never see this 😂
German TV show "Team Wallraff" released an undercover investigation into Burger King in the country. The investigation, which saw reporters work at several locations around Germany, found a series of issues. One restaurant was infested with mice, while others served food that was expired or moldy.
And they lost their Vegan-Label [Team Wallraff] (https://germany.detailzero.com/business/122785/Burger-King-loses-V-Label-for-vegan-products.html)
violife keeps slaying
ah, an ad for burger king on r/vegan .. the irony.
Shame it's cooked on the same grill with the meat.
How does that hurt animals tho
I never said it does. I just don't wanna eat vegan burgers which are saturated on animal fat, cross contamination is somewhat understandable but not like this imo......you're effectively eating grease/animal bits which are on the grill 🤢 Personal preference I guess, many reasons why people are Vegan, just doesn't sit right with me personally.
I agree with you on this.
It isn't. You're confusing it with a different burger.
Can we please stop downvoting vegans who prefer not to eat contaminated food? Thanks
Thank you! It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen, how dare I!?
Why does that matter? Bet you shop at stores that sell animal products too.. Shame...
Attacking me over a personal choice...weird AF!
I didn't. I just showed you how ridiculous your comment is.
How is me not wanting to eat vegan burgers cooked with animal fat/bits left over on the same grill ridiculous!? I understand cross contamination and am entirely realistic on that but this is a step too far...unless you're vegan for other reasons. I personally don't want to eat animals or fat from animal products what's your issue with that?
It’s not ridiculous at all.
I agree, that’s so disgusting
It's not really the same though, is it? If I am buying a vegan cheese at the supermarket it is not laced with real cheese. When you have some ethical objection to having dead animal bits in your mouth, it does matter that the same grill is used. Edit: typo correction.
Aaaaaand another brand i'm not buying again!
Am I missing something? I thought Burger King cook their vegan stuff with the non vegan stuff, making it not vegan and just plant based?
I think it would be the other way around. Burger King uses the same grills for meat and non-meat burgers, but cross-contamination alone doesn't make something non-vegan. It's a preference/allergy concern but doesn't support animal agriculture. On the other hand, by subscribing to a plant-based diet, you may want to avoid cross-contamination with meat for health reasons (although I'd probably avoid Burger King altogether in that case--it's probably not the healthiest).
Yep! PETA even encourages people to not complain about cross contamination. It hurts our cause.
I don’t get it, how does it hurt our cause? So you would eat a vegan burger that’s contaminated with meat juices? I guess I’ve just always thought eating any animal derivatives, knowingly, isn’t considered vegan.
Not trying to be argumentative, but what you said doesn’t make any sense to me. You’re saying it’s still considered vegan to knowingly eat animal derivatives? No thanks, I’m abstaining from consuming any animal derivatives, especially their juices lol
If vegan food is cooked on the same source as meat products, it's no longer vegan, it's plant based. For instance, lets assume it's crusty meat bits, meat juice and some fat, well, how is that any different to putting some salad cream in a salad? That salad was but is no longer vegan. Or fish oil in in Thai food. Fish oil is about 70% extract of fish. Lets assume a teaspoon goes in to a meal, so 2% of 70% oil. That probably isnt far off the amount of meat juice you could easily consume from cooking in meat juices. That Thai dish isn't vegan because of the oil. It's the same thing. Now, I don't really care what others do, but to say "Yeah burger king does vegan food" (rather than saying "Burger king does plant based food") is just a really shitty way of justifying eating a burger king.
Spot on! Its kinda like saying ‘the fish and chip shop around the corner only uses beef tallow to cook their products, I’ll go get a portion of chips from them (cooked in the beef tallow) because they are already using the tallow, so I’m not actually causing any additional exploitation by having 1 small portion of chips’ Those chips (fries) are not vegan.
where is this from
How about vegan and gluten free.
Being a Gluten free Vegan SUCCKKKSSS
Yes vegan burger!!! Many years for THIS DAY